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>>46178541
>Best orcs edition
You have something against pig orcs OP?

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>>46178570
I got you family

How do you make your Bard good? I'm struggling.

>>46178682
You get to choose your alignment on character creation.

>>46178541
For an Orc character, what classes actually work well for them? Any of the Path of War classes?

>>46178720
Real cute m8 and mind control is the most evil kind of ability, Bards should be any nongood

>>46178753
Orcs should go to their DM and ask to houserule that they only get penalties to two chosen mental stats, not ALL of them. It inflicts a retardation stereotype and makes all the orc tribes' shamans a laughingstock.

>>46178640
I think Crossbow still isn't very good in that system. Readied action to -maybe- damage and stop the opponent on the condition that they move is kind of worse than just doing guaranteed damage before they have the chance to move.

Crossbows would still only see use by things like wizards who have run out of spells, or people in the surprise round on ambush, or NPCs designed to guard places.

>>46178682
Archery.

>>46178805
Orcs should only get a penalty to one chosen mental stat, with two they're still a net behind other races.

>>46178570
Oh so you just want to continue from last thread. Not a problem.

>>46173587
>No alignment restriction for any class

Barbarian
>DR 1/- starts at level 3. Rage goes up to +6/+6 at 7th level
Bard:
>Inspire Courage increased by 1
Cleric
>Pick any domains you want and make up a god, no one cares about Golarion.
Druid
>Bears are not Small, what the fuck man.
Fighter
>4+Int skills, choose a good save, choose your own damage attribute to use for basic attacks. Prepare all your combat feats every morning.
Paladin
>Take a hit for any close ally as an immediate action. Get Bard spell progression of the Paladin list and 2 domain lists.
Ranger
>Gain Bard progression casting. 5th-6th level spells are all non-elemental Druid spells of the same level. Favored Enemy bonuses scale in +3 increments. Gains all creature type knowledges in-class. Can make any knowledge-check-identified creature a Favored Enemy as a move action.
Rogue
>Roll up to your level in different skill checks at the start of the day, and anytime you make that check later (however many times you want) you can choose to use the morning roll or roll manually. Can swift-activate a 1-round Greater Invisibility with 2 round breaks, or consecutively if you don't mind becoming fatigued/exhausted.
Sorcerer
>Move your whole spells known chart up by 1 level. Just put a "1" directly above every "3" on the Spells Per Day chart.
Wizard
>You don't get a good Will Save. Your bonus feats must Spell Mastery, a Discovery or [Reserve] feats (from Complete Mage). Not item creation or metamagic.Non-specialists gain 1 bonus spell of their highest level, like Elven Generalists used to get.
Monk
>Cannot take hit point damage unless prevented from moving.

>>46178852
The Overwatch Style chain is being recommended for a reason (creating relative lockdown scenarios as a result), but yes it's primarily for making crossbow standoffs actually work. What I didn't want to do was make them win the damage pissing contest with styles that focus on them; Bows and THF can keep their crowns as damage kings. The objective was only to create niches and scenarios where it is not *always* better to go that route. They don't have to be as good since they require different levels of proficiency and investment to work at their new jobs.

>>46178911
What the fuck are you doing?

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What would your current PC do for love, /pfg/?

Could their efforts top Jhavhul, who spent a thousand wishes aiming to resurrect Xotani the Firebleeder, just so he could fuse himself with it and become HOT enough to get in the pants of the Elemental Lord of Fire?

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>>46178911
Uhhh.... what kind of campaign are you running?

'bout the only thing I like is the 'no alignment restrictions'.

Does PoW or Psionics have ways to lessen the nauseated condition to sickened on yourself? Immunity, maybe?
I'm trying to build an ultra-tank and I need ways to purge/ignore debuffs.

>>46178911
Now then, show us on this doll where the bad wizard touched you..

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>dozens of characters, builds, and concepts I want to try
>I will never get to play 90% of these in any game, let alone in a good game

So how's everyone's games going?

>>46178640
I think I'd add mounted combat to the list of feats that can be granted as bonus feats

>>46179421
Counters. Usually they're set up to allow you to negate the effect before it even occurs, though there's a few that allow you to suppress or remove conditions after the fact.

There's also the feat Riven Hourglass Rewind, which allows you to suppress ongoing conditions by expending maneuvers.

Also worth noting, by RAW, nauseated allows only move actions, so by the strictest reading you can do literally nothing except move while nauseated. Not even free actions.

>>46179440
>dozens of characters, builds, and concepts I want to try
>I will play all of them in a half-assed setting with a self-railroading party that kills any kind of non-combat, non-plot advancing, or even quasi-amoral behavior.

>>46179421

Scarlet Throne has Sanguine Perfection, which allows you to suppress negative conditions for a number of rounds equal to your initiation modifier. If the condition's duration would end in that time, you remove it instantly.

What's the reason behind Unchained monk not being able to mix with older archetypes unlike the other Unchained classes?

>>46179749
P A I Z O
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>>46179749
Because fuck you that's why

>>46179749
The rules explicitly stating so, because both the abilities and base chassis of the UC Monk is almost totally different than the Core Monk.

As far as I'm aware, the only Monk archetypes that are compatible are Hamatula Master and the new ones from Ultimate Intrigue.
Also maaaaybe MoMS, but that's kinda iffy both RAW and RAI.

I think some anon made an unfinished homebrew conversion doc for UC Archetypes. Want me to see if I can find it?

>>46179824
Four, I think, there's a monk of the mantis, the chakra monk from occult something, and the two from UI

>>46179749
That's just what happens when you switch from static class features to a select-a-power system. Not that hard to reverse-engineer the old archetypes to fit, but to make that official would require them all to get reprinted.

>>46179749
Fuck weebs, that's why

>>46179824
Officially no archetype printed before Unchained Pathfinder works with Unchained Monk, it says so in the book.

>>46179913
That is what I said

>>46179913
That's because the archetypes that do work with UMonk are from splatbooks, which the core line devs prefer to pretend don't exist because they don't have direct control over what goes in them.

Okay, I'm aware of the bloodforge stuff being worked out with weapons, but are there any mundance enhancements for weapons, and what about special non-magical items?

Are there any archetypes or other options that bring Brawler or Slayer up to tier 3?

>>46179975
Or because they were printed after the Umonk came out, either or.

Im playing a Cavalier Halfling, I have Rich parents and were starting at Level 3, But we only get a minimal gold.
I took the Wolf Mount but is there something I could have taken better or more interesting to RP with?

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>>46180027
Putting RP in spoilers just makes me assume you're looking to take the knot at every opportunity.

Path of war expanded on the trove when?

>>46179440
I'm considering adopting the old 'It's an MMO' trapping purely to justify running a game for folks where GMs and players can rotate and play a new concept every couple of sessions, for those of us with tabletop alt-itis.

"I figured we'd need a tank for the raid, so I rolled up a Zwei Sent, guys"

>>46180058
Well the Halfling and her Wolf or whatever equally sized mount will probably be sleeping in the same tent but I don't plan to MENTION that sort of thing.

>>46179996

Eh, not particularly, I don't think. Still, they're both fun classes-shouldn't be too hard to make something enjoyable and useful, unless your party is full of assholes who exclusively pick t1s and play them to invalidate other characters at every opportunity.

>>46180027
Construct Rider. Robo wolf.

>>46180082
The only issue I'd have with that is the pain it is of creating a new character. Though, I do like the final fantasy approach of being able to have every class on the same character.

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>>46180165
>being a Construct Rider with something as lame as a wolf
>not taking Monstrous Mount and creating MECHA-GRIFFON

>>46180230
Well, you aren't required to reroll if you're happy with what you're playing.

I just want a game with a premise that's more friendly to me when I decide halfway through a campaign that I'd rather be playing something different. It always feels awkward to try and write out or suicide a character just to have an excuse to play a new one.

>>46180082
That could be fun, though it feels like it would lose some of the fun of the character if it's playing a character in a game, when playing your character... in the game. Unless it's like one of those silly anime hyperrealistic MMOs, which could be fun.

Though, if it gave me a chance to try that retarded Synthesist|Psyarm build, or even just DSP-anything? I'd be down for that.

>>46180283
The hell is going on in that picture.

>>46180302
The basic idea I had is that everyone would be a 'player' on the MMO, so you'd have a consistent characterization to work with 'behind the screen' so to speak. But since it's an MMO, there's an easy excuse for 'oh I decided to respec'.

And yeah obviously it's an MMO as interpreted by anime, and it'd definitely be DSP friendly - one of my ideas was that the various Martial Traditions could literally be, like, NPC factions in the game, the way lots of games have Rep systems/daily quests for groups.

>>46180322
Well, you know how ships would have figureheads of naked women and such?

And I mean, you wouldn't expect the constructcrafter business to be THAT different from shipbuilding, but since the final product's running on magic instead of physics, there's a lot more room for expression...

>>46180165
I googled it and that looks like I would have to take alchemist stuff? I'm bad at this game so bear with me

>>46180283
Thx for image, reported anyway though sorry senpai

>>46180403
Yeah, it's an alchemist archetype. It's only really worth it if you like the idea of riding a customizable robot. Which I do, at least.

>>46180932
I like the Idea but I don't know if I'm ready for Alchemist, And I think we really need a good frontliner. Which I don't know if Alchemist can do.

>>46180952
Beastmorph Alchemist is excellent as a frontliner

Oi, DSP lads.
When's the playtest on your system?

>>46180952
The best way to get better at the game is to dive into the deep end. And yes, alchemist can do frontliner stuff quite well thanks to mutagen and related discoveries.

Zweihander warder/harbinger gestalt y/n?

>>46181054
Meh. If you just use harbinger to access new disciplines and become Int-SAD, it can work okay, but I'd recommend you be absolutely sure which disciplines/maneuvers you want.

>>46180952
Alchemist can absolutely be a frontliner. Mutagen (which you can pick up again with a discovery after swapping it out) is basically turning yourself into Mr. Hyde/Hulk Jr.

Plus there's vivisectionist alchemist, which swaps bombs for full sneak attack progression, which goes great with having a pet, since you can flank everything.

>>46180999
>>46181014

Well, Construct Rider specifically prohibits the alchemist from getting mutagen, even as a discovery.

>>46181086
True, but mounted combat is still great for frontlining, since you stop worrying about armor slowing you and you can dual-wield lances. Especially with Spirited Charge. You'll still shit out damage by the bucketload.

>>46181054
Psion//Warder or harbinger may work better. That way you can use your manifesting for buffs or as needed when they're necessary.

Looking through Ultimate Psionics again, seriously who thought that that Noral race was a good idea?It's like somebody tried to make the trill from Star Trek but decided "hey, instead of a hot chick, I'll make the default look for this race that ugly advisor guy for Jabba the Hutt! Brilliant!"

>>46181172
Are you crying that the race looks ugly? Why do you care? Are you that big of a waifufaggot?

>>46181172
>"hey, instead of a hot chick, I'll make the default look for this race that ugly advisor guy for Jabba the Hutt!
That's actually a positive though.

Personally, I can't stand the Maenads and the Elans. They're just so dull and boring. The Xephs too, to a lesser extent

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>>46181188

>Not being a waifufaggot

disgusting

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>>46181237
Sometimes you need shit-tier races to make waifu races even better. That's why kenders aren't completely awful, they make other races better in comparison!

>>46181254
>spoiler
Kill yourself, kender-lover.

>>46181237
Just to make sure, you understand ironic shitposting doesn't make you anything other than filth?

>>46181281
>Kill yourself, kender-lover.
That's completely ignoring the point of my post!

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Need some help with planning RP for a character, /pfg/. How would you model the activities of a person who intentionally spreads toxic philosophies?

My group uses the Unchained background skills, which gives me access to Artistry (Philosophy), whose basic function is essentially the same as Perform.

My question is more in how you'd portray someone who earns money by means of philosophy in a D&D setting. I'm thinking something along the lines of spending time in salons or schools, debating with intellectuals and then earning money by being a good enough debater that they want you to write down your ideas for them to read later? Or would some kind of "I'll bet you a silver you can't convince me" be more likely?

>>46181295

Using the phrase "kender aren't completely awful" is a quick way to lose friends and bring shame upon your household, regardless of the context.

>>46181331
It doesn't change the fact that the lower the bar is everything else seems better in comparison!

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>>46181312
>intentionally spreads toxic philosophies

Why not pic related?

>>46181312

How do people earn money by means of philosophy in a non-D&D setting?

In all seriousness, I think your best bet is to find some rich, stupid patrons who need you to provide them with contentious opinions so they can sound smart at social functions.

>>46180347
This is relevant to my interests, but I have an important question: Will the MMO have a "main story" and/or waifus?? If yes, will it take the modern MMO route of "every player is the main character of their own playthrough" or sticking to the Anime open-world interpretation?

>>46181312
Do some research on the Greek philosophers. They weren't exactly intellectual paragons like people think they were. They were thinkers, true, but they also fought, argued, and acted like dicks with amazing frequency. It was Plato, I think, that used to be an actual wrestler and occasionally fought people who disagreed with him. I'm not entirely sure that's the right name, but I know there was a guy like that. Diogenes of Sinope also made a point of being frequently rude and sarcastic.

>>46181404
The basic idea I had was that it was in sort of the hybrid style of most MMOs these days - an open world for social interaction and stuff, but plot events and dungeons and stuff being instances with plot-lines that focus on the characters. Sort of Guild Wars-esque. The NPCs are basically 'actors' who take up the appropriate roles in the plot whenever an event starts but also might just be found out in the world whenever the party isn't dungeon crawling.

>>46181516
I'm in. When do we start?

>>46179054
>What would your current PC do for love, /pfg/?

He's willing to die for the ones he loves, but you know what? Dying's easy, he's willing to *kill* for the ones he loves, and is willing to live for them.

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>>46181435

Ah, Diogenes. Now THERE was a philosopher.

>>46181172
I don't know where to put them in Golarion myself.

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>>46180058

>Not taking the knot at every opportunity

>>46179054
Im not playing yet but the only thing she loves is her Mount so far. So a hell of a lot.
Probably not quite that much though.

which monstrous humanoids can get pounce?

>>46181615
>BEING A DEGENERATE

the order of Bard-a-dins disapprove.

What is the most Fun Thing you could do with 900 Gold at starting level?
Bonus points for something that provides interesting rp instead of 'buy a cr4 combat tiger'

>>46181803
But bardadins are for lewd anon they would so very much approve.

>>46181615
>Halfling taking the knot from her mount
>Its just another way to ride

>>46181820
Bardadins are the purest this is canon i'm sorry.

>>46181836
In your headcanon sure.

>>46181810
A mule and cart full of every mundane supply you can think of.

>>46181849
but i'm the OG bardadin player, and Livia is pure!

>>46181803
>not playing a chosen one bardadin with a well-loved magical companion

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>>46181849
Bardadins do give the best headcanon, it's true.

>>46181810

>Tavern: 910 gp
>Mill: 660 gp
>Monument:360 gp
>Shop: 550 gp
>Smithy: 730 gp

Pick your poison.

>>46181810
850 chickens and 50 commoners on retainer to help carry and herd all of them.

>>46181810
Hire a bard to spread the word of your non-existent deeds.

>>46181810

Hire 100 people to act as a chorus line and backup singers wherever you go.

>>46181901
I actually really like this idea. You arrive in town, The villagers have heard of you.
Its not bad things for once.

>>46181868
And I'm Eliminster posting from my magical Weave Computer. Now jump onto my enchanted Wizard Dick

>>46181868

What happens on the road, stays on the road, anon.

Besides, Livia's husband would certainly appreciate her knowing a few tricks for their wedding night.

Like spinning, that's a good trick.

>>46181945

Don't you have an adopted daughter for that, though?

>>46181964
... Spinning?

>>46181977

It's a dank /tv/ meme.

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What does your adventurer wear when having to talk to nobles at boring parties?
How many weapons do they have hidden up their dress?
How many Gnome Rogues?

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>>46181977
It's a good trick

>>46182023
wew lad why is Jojo ripping off Naruto?

>>46182023
How do you do this in Pathfinder?

>>46182002

Is it? Figured it was like a sex version of Chun Li's Spinning Bird Kick, except not upside-down unless both parties REALLY know what they're doing.

>>46181900
Just buy 900 gp worth of commoners, and make them all have chicken infested.

>>46182041
Refluff magic missile or some ranged PoW strikes.

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>>46182021

It really depends on the character and region, but I'm a sucker for fur trim, half-capes and layers.

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>>46182034
To be fair, JoJo based it off of an actual mathematical concept.

Naruto just did it because it was a good trick

>>46182041
Paladin with Startoss Style and Tempest Gale

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>>46181371
More like pic related tbqh

>>46181398
>>46181435
My problem is that it's goodly religious communities she wants to pick on in particular. I suppose tailoring her philosophies to the rich neutral assholes of said religions would do, but trying to pick fights would probably just get her arrested and ignored.

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>>46181977
>>46182043

Dank memes aside, it's always a good idea to know how to be something more than just a dead fish on your wedding night, gotta make it something to remember, you know? Not saying you gotta actually find a man to show you the ropes, but a book or three on the subject wouldn't hurt.

>>46182021
His normal attire. He's a clown. He'd rather talk to the servants and dig up dirt on the hosts and guests than actually talk to the hosts and guests, and being treated like a harmless buffoon makes that easier.

>>46182055
>500 commoners
>each one has a different trained animal

>>46182170
Isn't that basically a circus?

Be a Bard and run a circus.

Have you ever played a lewd campaign? Like not just ERP but with lewd stuff being allowed but not the focus

>>46182134

Sounds like something ripe for hilarious misunderstandings and embarrassment-maybe they run into their pastor at the library, or end up losing the books and having to replace them, or accidentally getting pages stuck together and attempting to pull off bizarre half-maneuvers that lead to someone with a bad sprain possibly in a very intimate area.

>>46182351
Sure, I'm pretty sure those are normal. Adventurers have sex drives like everyone else, and with all the stress and magic, more motive and ways to indulge it. Generally I just fade to black it or try to work out how some particularly strange thing might be achieved.

For example, after the whole tears to wine thing got dragged into sexual fluids by /pfg/ and pretty much everyone who read it, desu, someone wanted to try and make it into a business. The logistics problem is mildly interesting, and the scandal if anyone ever found out the intellect-boosting mead someone sold by the barrelful was transmuted jizz is worth a good laugh.

It does risk accidentally running into the players' magical realm, though. I try to avoid mine, since the point is to make it not ERP or focus on the lewd stuff.

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>>46181435
>diogenes
he always cracks me up

>>46182372

Don't forget the Bardadin will be well-beyond the scope of normal human limitations by the time she's bedding her husband, a totally normal human. She's going to be a semi-immortal divine champion with pipes that'd shame a siren by campaign's end.

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>>46181516
>tfw you're doing this with your irl group
>tfw you think you're ripping off SAO and Overlord
>tfw you for the first time watch Log Horizon and you realize your campaign is a copy if that game except instead of Japan it's Ireland

>>46182487
Overlord was a fairly big influence on my ideas too (the original idea was 'what are NPCs up to when the PCs are away')

>>46182452
>bardadin needs to get three or four husbands to satisfy her +30 Fortitude save

>>46182511
I marathoned it last night and thought while it was good, the animation was somewhat low quality, really liking Log Horizon so far.

Bard-a-dins are not for autism!

>>46182638
I really like Log Horizon because it avoids the "generic self-insert is the best ever" trend of the other MMO anime.

Like, Shiroe & co. are good players, but they feel like they succeed through teamwork and strategy rather than just having main character status or being higher level than everyone else in the world.

>>46179996
Brawlers are t3 anon, just get martial training.

>>46182452

This makes me want to see something with a lady cleric follower of Shelyn and/or Erastil, settled down with a normal family and engrossed in the role of a loving and thoroughly submissive wife, despite having like 10 levels on her husband.

>>46182825
>implying women aren't the true bosses of the household
The man may put on the pants and bring the bacon, but it's always been known who truly runs the show

>>46178911
I like it.

Doesn't go far enough for fighter / rogue.

I've got the trip on since I don't want to mislead anyone, but I was going through stuff on the paizo forums and saw this thread where a couple of PoW fans were writing up stuff about Path of War in Golarion. Anyway, it looks cool and since I can't really participate I thought I'd share it here in case anyone else wanted to contribute.

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tjaf?PoW-Origins

>>46179749
Paizo hates monks in particular.

So, uh.

Cavalier (Standard Bearer) 1/Brawler (Exemplar) 4/Battle Herald 10/Brawler +5

If I'm looking to buff the rest of my party with inspire courage and similar effects, but not use spells, this is about as good as it gets, right? First party only because my DM is a big blubbering vagina.

>>46182924
That's because 2d10 base damage is broken. BROKEN!

>>46179996
nope

T3 pretty much requires you to be able to do something unique or special

"deals damage" or "uses combat feats" doesn't bring anything new to the table

>>46182864

Yeah, but a burly warrior-woman who can shatter skulls with her bare hands being all sweet and demure around her hubby sounds cute.

>>46180071
this

>>46182951
>T3 pretty much requires you to be able to do something unique or special
What? I thought t3 was having an answer to a wide variety of situations.

>>46182864
>not topping from the bottom
>or bottoming from the top
>something mixed up like that

>>46182964
Well, that I can agree with.
Reminds me of my own mother

>>46182864
>>46182982

Reminder that small Dom/large sub is patrician.

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Alright /pfg/ tell me about your Homebrew Races and how they interact with the various different systems?

Personally, I was thinking of making a race based loosely off of Phrynosoma, including their pineal "third-eye" gland and make then into a race of desert dwelling natural psions

Inner Sea Faiths spoilers when???

>>46183145
Saulot is going to kill them all.

>>46182825

Why's it gotta be about the submissiveness? Why can't they be a loving couple built around mutual understanding and respect? The wife wouldn't be domineering, but she shouldn't be a quiet thing either.

>>46183189
Erastil's original fluff, maybe?

>>46183176
No idea who that is, and a quick Google says it's a WoD thing.
Care to explain your statement?

>>46183289
Saulot created a line of vampires that displayed a third eye thanks to one of their powers. Eventually they all got accused of being demon worshipers and mostly wiped out. Of course Saulot is the one that took over the body of the one and then accused them of being demon worshipers, and likely made the baali, which were vampires with powers to consort with demons. Probably because he got bored of both, so he had them killed off and rerolled a mage vampire.

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>>46183393
Interesting. If I didn't already have plans for the race, I'd include that in the Lore.

Actually, you just gave me some fun Fantasy racism fodder to go off of. Thanks anon.

Have another Phrynosoma

>>46183514
OWoD gets a lot of crap for it's meta not undeserved but it's great for some cheesy and over the top stuff.

What do you think of PC races with strong sexual dimorphism, like the lashunta?

>>46183767

I like them, gives you a reason to play a man or woman rather than an amorphous Adventurer blob.

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>>46183767
I wish there where more. Maybe not so much with widely varying stats, but definitely races with noticeable and unique gender dimorphism other than "Blizzard Syndrome"

>>46183514
Fun fact for everyone: the lizard from the laughing lizard meme is a Phrynosoma Solare, commonly known as the Regal Horned Lizard. He certainly does seem to have a regal chuckle

>>46178911
Its a start. No need to nerf wizards that hard. Like your idea with the fighter/rogue, but you might also give the fighter something like DR /- based on how heavy their armor is that stacks with other DR /-

For me I usually look at some of the summoning feats for Druid and make them more sane. Why do the druids need to give up augment summoning to give a template again? Why cant they take the feat that gives them access to unicorns and treants?

>>46178911
>Monk
>>Cannot take hit point damage unless prevented from moving
I literally can't decide if this is stupid overpowered or very pointless.

>>46183991
Why not both?

>>46183991
Well will the monk still be able to contribute? They are a monk after all.

>>46182918
>http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2tjaf?PoW-Origins
COMMENCE THE CHARGE. SHITPOSTING HOOOOOOOO.

(not really, but you should be careful about linking that kind of thing here)

>>46183991
It's just poor design in terms of its actual effect on gameplay. If they can pump their saves and CMD they can do whatever they want anywhere. It creates situations where the party just sends in the monk alone because he is at no risk, even if he's super slow at getting it done - like an even MORE boring "we starve them out" solution because you still have to roll the dice like 40 times solo. Also it makes a lot of existing features into non-features, like AC bonus and Evasion.

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>>46182918
>crashing tempest founded by Cayden's drinking buddy
>for use with Rapier and Tankard
Perfect

>>46184104
Thanks for the heads up. Just thought it'd be nice to share some people doing interesting work, since I like seeing players use material I wrote.

Does anybody have a copy of Scions of Stone?

>>46184175
Usually /pfg is nice enough, but it is 4chan after all. All it takes is one bad day and then you discover you made /d/ aware of the existance of another forum.

I want to play an ulfen Zweihander sentinel

>>46184216
Yes, quite a few people have apparently bought it.

Playing with the idea of a Magus Eldritch Scion into Dragon Disciple, but the way the Bloodrager and Sorcerer bloodlines stack (or rather don't) make it a bit awkward. Assuming I could convince my GM to have DD's Blood of Dragons count for Bloodrager levels instead of Sorcerer, would this be a decent build?

Also this build would probably be used in an ongoing campaign, so it would start at lower levels and progress throughout the game.

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Elric telling a bold faced lie.

2 other archetypes were added to the document after they "scrapped" Mirrored Soul

3 Prestige Classes were added

To say it came up too late is a falsehood.

>>46184434
Eldritch Scion is absolute dick.

>>46184228

I'm playing an Ulfen Zweihander Sentinel, they're very fun! Best part is with the Ulfen Guard, you can explain one being in any nation of the Inner Sea.

>>46184453
What you see as the order of things released is not the order of things we received. The prestige classes were already being worked on and tested in private, and the archetypes had already been completed but not shared.

What are some good four man party compositions? No core rulebook/3rd party allowed.

>>46184541
In terms of playtesting theres no difference between those two. It doesn't matter how complete something is if it isnt available to playtest and Mirrored Soul was available to Playtest well before the above materials.

>>46182433
Not really what was meant by that post.

>>46184553
Arcanist, Warpriest, Alchemist, Hunter. Spells for everyone!

>>46184553

Kineticist, Investigator, Slayer and Arcanist.

>>46184457
Then what do you suggest instead?

>>46184613
Honestly? Bloodrager is fine.
There is a guide though https://docs.google.com/document/d/1cmswe4jHDb1Vcm3oQME3mxUelX_WzKbQ8r9_1mwQS6M/edit?hl=en_US&pli=1

>>46184553
Four kineticists with different elements.

>roll a caster finally because they're overpowered as fuck
>after a couple sessions realize you'll never do anything cool because the only thing you do all the time is standing there shooting stuff
>never risk life
>never go toe to toe with danger
>never struggle
Damn. casters are shit

>>46184584
It is different. Things go through both private and public playtest. If the private playtesting is already started/completed, then that's an entire set of work that needs doing that's already finished. What we had that was already ready or partially vetted receives priority over newly incoming material.

Space had to be assigned to Prestige Classes, space had already been set aside for archetypes. What you see is only part of the process involved in writing a book.

>>46184675
Why would you lie like that.

>>46184553
Witch, Alchemist, Summoner, Oracle

>>46181910
Until someone higher level decides you are an appropriate challenge for a fight

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What feats should I give an archer at 7/13/15 HD, to fill out a build that already has the standard stuff up to Manyshot and IPS?

Said archer is an outsider advancing by racial HD, who will eventually be Huge but can change shape down to Small, for whatever that's worth.

>>46184696
As someone who has been around since the start of the playtest I remember several occasions where you or Gareth "pumped out this archetype over the weekend," so when did internal playtest become a thing?

>>46184680

I learned that when I tried playing a non-blaster caster.

Mages r dumm.

>>46184680
Which class? How are you playing them?

>>46184763
We learned it was necessary over time. Internal Playtesting was also frequently started during that "weekend" we were pumping it out.

>>46184729
Martial Training.

>>46184553
Four Alchemist's, all with different archetype(s). They're all members of a failing Alchemist's guild.

>>46184796
Paizo level excuse to drop a well written archetype.

>>46184768
Its simply overpowered
>>46184784
Arcanist
simply put, i can easily kill, or disable with sleep, stuns and whatnot every fucking thing without effort, and choosing teleport as starting class feat means i can't be cornered by fucking anything

>>46184553
Four synthesist summoners.

Man, it sucks how dependant the Skald is on the rest of the party.

For a party of mostly casters/partial casters, should I go Spell Warrior or Urban Skald?

>>46184255
I'm looking for the PDF. I can't seem to find a copy of it anywhere to get a feel for what's added.

>>46183767
>>46183860
>>46183813

Would you play a member of a dimorphic race where the females are lizardfolk or wyvaran-like and the males are non-PC-playable dragons that the females can potentially select as familiars/animal companions/special mounts?

>>46184941
>nobody will see thru my bestiality bait

>>46184868
I'll keep this in mind sometimes I just want to be extremely overpowered, what were your starting spells?

>>46184941

Absolutely, that sounds like my kinda jam.

>>46184867
You seem to be under the impression that we are going to, or already have, abandoned the prospect in its entirety. This is not the case. Discussions were had, decisions were made and Ssalarn, who wrote the archetype, was involved in them. The decision was to cut the Mirrored Soul because of concerns that it would need more playtesting and vetting than we felt we had time to perform. As such, we decided not to include the archetype and you'll notice that there really was no additional feedback given on the archetype shortly after it was proposed.

As I said in the initial post where you accused me of being a liar, we haven't entirely abandoned the Mirror Soul. There are a lot of options we were exploring that couldn't be fit into PoW:E and we've always intended to continue the product line. Picking fights over it isn't going to make that a more appealing prospect though.

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>>46184884

>>46184867

What did you expect? These people are hardly any better than the Paizo staff.

>>46185010
>Picking fights over it isn't going to make that a more appealing prospect though

You've pretty much abandoned it and are now threatening to throw away the proverbial carrot if people complain.

>>46185033
[Let's GO!]

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>>46184941
I'd play scalie Ferra/Torr, sure. Not gonna play an adult female because that's just fetish bullshit.

>>46184941
>females are lizardfolk or
That's neato
>males are non-PC-playable dragons
A bit strange, and a tad rough, but workable
>females can potentially select as familiars/animal companions/special mounts?
Stop. Do not pass go. That's too far

>>46184975
I would tell you but i don't have the charsheet with me, and i don't know the local language/eng translation of some spells

Tell me about lizardfolk in golarion /pfg/

I've seen psyarm referenced in the last few threads. What exactly is that?

>>46185035
I'm just saying, after making a gigantic asshole of himself in the ACG playtest SKR did actually take a lot of the feedback into account by the final release based on all the changes his classes recieved.

>>46184585
What did you mean, then?

>>46185087
nerd entitlement at its finest

>>46185181
And now he's gone.

>>46185167

They're boring culturally but very solid as martial-oriented PCs.

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>>46185118
Okay, I was out when >>46184941 described it, but now I'm super in.
>child-sized wyvarans with a -2 Wis
>turn into actual wyverns with -4 Int and lose the ability to speak as they age
>caste-based society
>adults at the bottom and indentured to their children
>children who found means to halt aging and outlived their parents are promoted to the highest caste of rulership
>finally an actual reason to use cutebold art

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>>46185167
I gotchu senpai

>>46185010
Just calling bullshit as I see it. Sorry if it makes you decide to abandon an archetype you didn't want published in the first place man.

Maybe Ssalarn will have it published in one of his books so you don't have to deal with it again.

Also nobody complained about its removal cause you guys never announced it was canned. Nobody found out till someone posted feedback on it and then one of you said it was unecessary.

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Whilst I prefer to keep my criticisms constructive, we did repeatedly give issue to your view of balance during POW:E's playtest.

Let's not forget how desperado has a bunch of rule caveats that are left out of the RAW, such as its limitation to core gunslinger deeds and inability to use scatter attacks with sea combat, as well as the fact that it's outright WEAKER than the SU equivalent, the gunsmoke mystic.

The fact that Piercing thunder, a discipline that has decent stances but nothing else, got NERFED after playtesting is a fucking joke.

Tempest gale still doesn't get at all useful until 7th, when it breaks the ranged combat rules entirely with it's nat-20 maneuver, a great choice for anyone with a piercing crossbow.

We offered advice, some of us had easy fixes for this shit back when they debuted and you paid no attention.

You blew us off and now you're salty that we're salty.

Oh, and whilst I'm on the subject: Landsknecht is still a fucking stupid name for an ein-hander prestige class.

If I have a psychic armory, is it legit to take Weapon Focus (panoply of blades)? Or would that be Weapon Focus (psychokinetic throw)?

>>46185268
So are we just dropping the dimorphism aspect, or?

Maybe the genders go in different directions as they age. The males gain Str and lose Int, becoming dumb brutes that are used as mounts, manual labor, etc.

The females start taking Wis damage on a daily basis, and if they hit a certain breakpoint, the damage becomes permanent but their Charisma skyrockets and they gain magical abilities, making them into more of a living superweapon kinda deal that the kids and forever-kids have to handle carefully because they're still intelligent enough to run amok.

>>46185316
>>46185255
Thanks
uhm, boring indeed. how's the crunch?
they have the additional attack with tail?

>>46185455
Mystic is still stronger at group buffing than a Bard while having a host of other useful features and being able to turn most offensive magic into a will save.

>>46185549

Nope. 1d3 Bite, 1d4 Claws, +2 Nat. Armor, Swim speed 30, +2 STR and CON, and no starting languages besides their own.

>>46185557
How is that relevant, you stupid cunt?

>>46185549
No, you're thinking of kobolds with the Tail Terror feat. Lizards get bite and 2 claws.

>>46185507
Weapon Focus (Mind Blade) is explicitly allowed

>>46185557
Plus it's not based on the retarded idea that you have to be a singing, dancing, faggot to buff your party.

>>46185455

>inb4 DSP completely ignores this

>>46185455
That is what you get for ever trusting a company that pushes weaboo fightin magic as a viable replacement for martial combat.

>>46185645
>Implying bards have to be singing, dancing faggots.

>Implying Performance has anything to do with the Perform skill.

>>46185688
Put your trip on so I can ignore you gareth

>>46185645
>thinking Perform is related to bards
Literally nothing bards care about depends on the perform skill, you fucking retard. If you can't read the shit you bawl about, kill yourself.

>>46185723
Dude, calm down and just ignore him. He'll go away eventually.

>>46185455
>>46185673
Well no shit they are going to ignore you.

>>46185645
And what the hell's wrong with being a singing dancing faggot?

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>>46185455
Fuck yeah Gunlance.

Yeah, Tempest Gale continuously disappoints at low levels. Too many of the weapon upgrades or other supports for maneuvers are limited to melee weapons, and the discipline overall feels as though it's being punished for "daring" to be mostly [EX].

As for Piercing Thunder, at least Solar Wind can claim some decent strikes by beam-splitting a XASER into multiple lines using Solar Reflection or the like. I haven't read Piercing in a while though; does it still have no way of getting your weapon back after using a strike that throws it? Because that's very, very damning.

>>46185631
Cause all his buffs stack with Bard Buffs too, further pushing up the numbers creep and indicating a lack of design insight.

Or were we just complaining about underpowered content ya faggot?

>>46185716
This is the second time I've been accused of being Gareth in disguise.

Seriously, what about me is Gareth-ey?

>>46184675
>>46184716
They're obviously searching for the fabled fifth kineticist with the heart element. A Corneticist, if you will. Then they will summon the herald of Gozreh to defeat Urgathoan cultists or something.

>>46185846
A U T I S M
U
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>>46185846
The fact that you like the most cancerous parts of pathfinder and treat the good parts as beneath you.

>>46185846
You're disagreeing with with their opinions of what should or shouldn't have been published in PoW:E, which of course somehow means you're either one of DSP or a paid shill for them.

Can't go thinking it's okay to disagree with a couple of angries on an anonymous image board, right?

>>46185902
Different guy, but he's not wrong about Bards.

Learn to divorce shit paizo fluff from very functional mechanics.

>>46185902
>Says bards don't have to be singing, dancing faggots
>Likes cancerous shit

Okay bro wha'evs.

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>>46185455
This senpai desu.

>>46185927
It's funny, because I'm one of those degenerate human beings who doesn't even LIKE PoW.

race is +2dex and wis -2 cha
need a non combat cleric stat block for 20pb.

>>46186109
Its an ok system, just a clusterfuck of design paradigms. Wish the initial playtest focused more on getting the mechanics right.

>>46186114
>non combat
>pathfinder
>>>/trash/

>>46186161
All the best shit in PF is Non-combat or bypassing combat.

>>46186114
Max int then cha, get the minimum Wis to cast heal spells dump everything else. All ranks in spellcraft and perform (sex). You are now the craft slave and healwhore. Congrats.

>>46186197
Be wizard.

>>46186161
he'll be doing things in combat just not attacking. mainly using buffs and healing as needed.

>>46186244
1. max wis
2. prepare buffs
3. never use heals except in emergencies (spontaneous cures) or when you unlock the heal spell
4. craft CLW wands
Done

>>46186280
Also if you dont wanna physically fight, get int.

Grab Feather Domain for an animal companion+1/2 level to perception. Trait into Perception as class skill.

Become perception beast.

Also max sense motive.

>>46186280
uh i didnt ask for tactics i've got that covered. if you had bothered to read the question you would have noticed i was looking for a 20pb stat block

>>46185319
They did announce it, way back.

Fuck Elric for trying to lie about it though.

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>>46186390
>Fuck Elric for trying to lie about it though.

I wonder where that little rascal went, he was responding so regularly in this thread until the negative feedback started to pour in.

>>46184553
Oracle, Investigator, Hunter, Skald
They're perfect

>>46186375
Step 1, faggot, rest is irrelevant

>>46185808
Retrieving an unattended weapon is a free action with either a Tempest Gale or Piercing Thunder stance. They're not Returning or anything, though.

That said, there's a handful of Piercing Thunder toys I find pretty useful, and lines aren't really that bad when you remember you can do full diagonals or weird offset diagonals according to the Line rules.

Tempest Gale is still pretty bland, but TG's problem is less Tempest Gale and more the fact that archery fullstrikes are already the most reliable damage source in the base game, so it has a high bar to climb.

>>46186456
The DSP guys are probably just talking internally, trying to decide what to say.

>>46186467
wow thats some great advice. i can see why this place is so hated. fucking morons cant even understand basic questions and instead just regurgitate the same meme bullshit they've heard a thousand times before. so thanks for the help faggots.

>>46186456
He doesn't respond to negative feedback well at all, check out some of the older playtest threads, he has a glass jaw.

>>46186500
>being this stupid
ok

>>46186473
That said, PoW as a whole needs ACRES more throwing weapon support, which is something Tempest Gale could have provided. The nerf to Fumees was entirely unnecessary.

Throwing weapons are utterly garbage, though, and that's something PoW could have done a lot with in order to give martials expanded options in combat style.

Hey guys, the other day, my players and I got into an argument about how a spell works, and googling it didn't help.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/b/blood-rage

Does the subject retain the bonuses if the damage is healed? Or does it mean that they have to be that far down from full to get those bonuses.

Also, something that didn't come up, does the subject start with one stack of the bonus, or do they have to take 5 damage to get it?

>>46186554
>being this much a faggot.
ok buddy.

Ok so lets say I'm riding a 15ftx15ft mount while I'm medium sized and weilding a reach weapon, Am I unable to attack anything since I only have 10 ft reach? or does my 10 ft reach originate from my mount?

>>46186456
>>46186495
>>46186528
Yeah, he's never been great with PR, which is why Gareth was and has been our main PR guy here, because he's much better at addressing us and keeping a cool head.

Elric is just a scared bully

>>46186582
>not understanding what "irrelevant" means
Are you incapable of making choices of your own? 17 points for 18 wis, 3 points on anything else. Is this too hard for you?

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>>46184453
>>46184541
>>46184584
>>46184696
>>46184763
>>46184796
>>46184867
Okay I have to stop quoting posts at some point. I go to eat lunch with some friends and this fucking shit happens.

First: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?411495-Dreamscarred-Press-Path-of-War-Expanded!-%28Discussion-Thread-IV%29&p=19196774&viewfull=1#post19196774

I have no idea why Elric was under the impression that it happened late or that there was anything related to the development cycle about it. Mirror Soul was ultimately dropped because Summoner got filed under "Full caster - do not give maneuvers" in addition to having some mechanical conflicts with the then-planned-but-not-yet-written Ambush Hunter archetype. The Paizo boards were never updated about this and I'll be going there to correct the issue momentarily.

You've my apologies for the misunderstanding. Our communication should have been more clear and it certainly could have involved referencing /what we already said on the manner/.

I'm on deck to handle feedback and questions, for awhile. Emerald Spire tonight.

>>46186569
>Duration 1 round/level
>These bonuses last until the spell expires or the target falls unconscious.

>>46186114
20 Wis, 16 Dex, the rest you can play with as you want but I'd dump Str, so 8 / 16 / 10 / 10 / 20 / 8

>>46186569
It doesn't need you to stay hurt, but you DO need to actually take damage for it to kick in.

>>46186569
Healing the damage wouldn't take away the bonus, but the damage has to be taken after the spell is cast to count, and it starts at no bonus and no penalty.

>>46186614
i can make decisions on my own yes. but im also capable of looking for advice. sometimes you miss something.

>>46186495
>>46186620

You were totally right.

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>>46186114

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>>46186620
Gareth, people keep mistaking me for you. I'm not sure exactly how, or how to feel about this.

>>46186620
TL;DR one of two possiblities:

1: Elric didn't know and rather than admit that or ask he just made bullshit up

2: Elric thinks we're fucking stupid

Either way, holy shit dude you fucked UP.

>>46186725
Believe me, I fucking realize. This could and should have been handled much better and there was certainly no call to start a fight with the thread over it. Again, you have our apologies.

>>46186759
>gareth shamelessly self-abasing
Christ dude pick yourself up off the floor you're making me embarrassed

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>>46186620
How goes the EX Aegis archetype/Executioner discipline, Gaz?

>>46186620
>Mirror Soul was ultimately dropped because Summoner got filed under "Full caster - do not give maneuvers" in addition to having some mechanical conflicts with the then-planned-but-not-yet-written Ambush Hunter archetype.

Wow that's lame.

Who cares about spells? That shit got traded anyway. What we wanted was a customizable intelligent companion to do maenuvers with.

It and Ambush Hunter, when the mechanics were compared, had very little mechanical overlap.

Sounds like you just wanted it out for personal taste.

>>46186814
He isn't doing that, he's bashing elric and trying to handle PR like he's supposed to.

>>46186830
Hell if I know. I can see who's assigned to those and ask, though I'm still about 9001% certain that whatever you're envisioning out of (Ex) Aegis is not going to happen the way you think it's going to happen. You're asking us to essentially write a new class that we lie about being an Aegis.

>>46186620
Heres a question, and for once in your life be honest. How many employees do you have hanging around pfg (and probably tg) at any given time?

Because lets be honest, aside from the blatant samefagging, you people pretty much aggressively shill your product to the point where you shoot down anyone who wants to discuss 1PP only PF or anyone who has a less than positive opinion of your product. Is it just you two and you just take turns turning off your trip or what?

I mean cmon man, I know we all have a living to make but this shit needs to stop at some point.

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New rule.
Whenever something bad happens with a DSP thing, assume it's Elric's fault

>>46186892
It's all of us, Anon. It's literally only you who's not employed by DSP, and we all laugh at you behind your back!

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>>46186891
I just think customizations are a solid system that could get some play with a Myrmidon style EX chassis based around grit.

Hel, it could be the company's counter to the Paizo Vigilante.

I know it's a far cry from the Tony Stark, magical girl shit you had initially, but I've never been one to let that stop me.

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Given a character that can wield any non-thrown weapon without regard for proficiency, and given that I probably won't bother upgrading my own gear, but will simply use whatever shiny weapons I loot from the corpses of my enemies...

With which four masterwork weapons should I start my genocide crusade?

>>46186892
I'm still not a DSP employee, despite my best efforts. I even wrote a Harbinger archetype to suck up to Gareth. I don't know what more I can do, it's not like I can drive to Michigan and start offering blowjobs.

>>46186952
That's not fair. Elric's not the one who's way too fond of weapon/class-locked disciplines, for example.

>>46186892
They don't make much money off of this, anon.

Also
>Elric getting spanked
He can pretend to be the top bully but now we all know who's the top and who's the sub.

>>46187014
>>46186952
>all this degeneracy
Purge yourself.

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>>46186892
>I'll take "things that never happen" for $600
You use this shill card every damn thread you cum guzzling retard. Maybe people just like things you don't like, and play DSP because Paizuri can't balance for shit.
Seriously, stop being a spamming shot monger and return to your people
>>>/v/

>>46187047
>autism
Purge yourself.

>>46187047
>le ebin 40k meme because I hate people having fun
Would you prefer if I posted a picture of Petuarbo to get your boner up?

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>>46186833
It still isn't entirely off the table. Ssalarn never deleted the files for it and we do have a small list of other classes that didn't get archetypes because we:

> Forgot until it was too late (Cavalier)
> Straight-up forgot existed (Cryptic)
> Didn't have time or inspiration for (most of the ACG ones that didn't get one)
or
> Dropped for unworkability in the timeframe

Mirror Soul could be on that list in a future supplement, but the decision was made to drop it for Expanded for the reasons I listed. That Ambush Hunter crystalized in a way that made it distinct is helpful to its chances down the road.

>>46186892
...How big do you think DSP /is/, anon? We have four full-time staff members, only one of whom (me) posts on 4chan whatsoever. The other folks who post here /at all/ are Forrest, Psybomb, Elric, and sometimes Keledrath. Most of our writing staff exists in fear of 4chan or in fear of saying something in a way they didn't mean and lets the confident folks handle it.

Of the folks who post here at all, myself, Forrest, and Psybomb participate anonymously, for various reasons. I do it to ask questions about bits of PF I don't understand as well as I should, Forrest and Psybomb do it to offer build advice or to be able to critique work without having their hat on.

Part of the reason /I/ am upset right now is our positive relationship with /pfg/ has been built on honesty, and now that trust has been breached. Folks are mad at us and they have every fucking right to be. Even if we had the staff to astroturf full time (we don't) and the money to pay that staff (we don't), what good would it accomplish? Where the fuck would we get off trying to bullshit 4chan of all places?

This isn't the first time you've asked this question. You wanna tell me what it is you're actually angry about?

>>46187058
Hey man that's not fair

Don't taint perfectly good paizuri by associating it with Paizo!

>>46186891
Uh, wouldn't tech just make it [ex]?
Or if materializing a suit's out of nowhere is an issue (not sure why it should) then that's just a modification to "summon astral suit" and the "dissipate in no magic zones" parts...

Seems simple enough to me?

Or do I need to quote Senator Armstrong here?

>>46187131
...What kind of lazy shit archetype would that be? That'd be like a quarter page. And also stupid.

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>>46186892

What teamwork feat for cavalier do I take if everyone is a caster but me, my mount, and the rogue?
+Sneak Attack dice?

>>46187174
All I did was answer to what had been explicitly pointed out at an earlier date as the main reasons for why such an archetype was unfeasible.

>>46187115
>This isn't the first time you've asked this question. You wanna tell me what it is you're actually angry about?
Actually it is, I've been putting up with it for the longest time now and I'd be totally fine with it if you kept it in pfg but its starting to get annoying when you invade non general threads.

>>46187204
>non general threads
>being this stupid

>>46187204
Then I've mistaken you for another anon a few threads back; I am sorry for the confusion.

Now what thread are you even talking about?

>>46187204
>Actually it is, I've been putting up with it for the longest time now and I'd be totally fine with it if you kept it in pfg but its starting to get annoying when you invade non general threads.
?

>>46187191
Escape Route?

If someone gets all feisty with one of your mage friends, get up close to them, and they can get some distance and still cast without getting AoOd on the way.

>>46187204
>pathfinder general is non general
ok

>>46187255
That...Actually makes a lot of sense.

>>46187255
Swap Places the right one?

>>46187339
Nah, Escape Route.

Enemies don't get AoOs if you're moving through squares also threatened by your allies.

Also can potentially help the Rogue get into flank position.

>>46187115
Any response to
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>>46185455

?

For all I know you've already addressed complaints, but /pfg/ is fast.

>>46187204
>but its starting to get annoying when you invade non general threads.
I call bullshit. I've only seen this kind of thing happen when someone asks a PF question, or a "stat me/how do build X", outside of /pfg/, and it usually involves some kind of martial or weeaboo character.
Seriously, what the fuck are you smoking?

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>>46187131
Idea was to take after Bloodborne and have a suit of gear like a tool belt that could be tailored to the monster of the week.

Tech was to feature heavily and with the advent of the new Vigilante talents, I will be seeing to getting some of those available to it.

>>46186891
In any case, I dropped good money on this venture, I expect to be acknowledged.

This was a direct transaction of funds for a product, I expect a product fit for purpose.

Which is why I opened dialogue, was not returned.

I just want my wishes to be observed.

I want to make your jobs easier, why make it so hard on yourselves?

>>46187339
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>>46187255
Wait shit im a halfling and they are tallfolk, Swap Places wouldn't work for me.
>>46187384
Not sure if its in the allowed books, I have: Coordinated Defense, Coordinated Manuevers, Duck and Cover, Lookout, Paired Opportunists, Precise Strike (What I had down originally), Shielded Caster, Shield wall and Swap Places available for sure though if any of those are good

>>46187418
every time I see you you become even more autistic

how is this possible

>>46187457
If he paid for a service or product then he has the right to ask these questions.

If they have no intention of fulfilling their end of the agreement it only makes sense that his $ be returned and an apology made.

>>46187387
I'll handle these in a bit. I've gotta get ready for Emerald Spire here and to be honest I'm not in the best emotional state to be diplomatic. However, I /can/ get a few things off the bat:

> Cirque Tradition benefit
The feeling in internal, which I ultimately ended up agreeing with (keep in mind that the original was my work) was that the Cirque's benefit was too strong, even for an optional rule; it made being a member a must-have for thrown weapon builds. The optional Allegience Benefits were installed in the first place - and mentioned repeatedly to be optional - for groups that feel that following an RP restriction is worth a mechanical benefit, but we were trying to keep them around the level of a feat, not something vital to create a build in the first place. For similar reasons, the spear-based benefit on the Reverents was brought back to Haft Strike and delayed to 3rd level.

> Thrown support in general
Will have to be handled delicately, but you're not the only folks unhappy with their current state. Expanded wasn't the book for it, sadly, and even with dedicated support, Longbow Master Race is so built into the system that all we can really do is dull the pain. Maneuvers on their own do go a length to help thrown be acceptable instead of unworkable, but at the end of the day there's not really any competing with bows.

We can only soothe the pain, folks, we can't cure the wound.

>>46187423
Ecccch, really? It's from Ultimate Combat.

Well.

Is your mount Medium? It could use Swap Places I guess? Since it's ALSO moving into the space of an ally.

>>46187418
As I said, I'm gonna see who's getting assigned it so they can get in touch with you. Much like I'm handling a monster request and am in touch directly with /that/ person, so there's a minimum of miscommunication. Calm thyself, DTG.

>>46187498
sure but either english isn't his first language or he has worse autism than 2hu

look at how he asks shit

>>46187503
I think the thing with the Cirque benefit is that there isn't anything that offers the same without entirely too much investment, if at all.

It's one thing to say 'we didn't want this to overshadow other options'

But when the other options don't exist, there's nothing to overshadow, you dig?

>>46187525
Yeah it could, And Swap doesnt provoke AOO either. I just wonder if its better than precise?

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>>46187534
>Waaah, this guy talks funny!

>>46187503
For thrown support, one thing that I know would be easy to implement is to open up maneuvers and Strikes from Thrashing Dragon to throwing in cases where it specifies a melee attack and a throw would work just as well.

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>>46187530
>Calm thyself, DTG.
Oh shit, if asking 2hu to calm down was blacklisting, does this mean he's been blacklisted from /pfg/ too?

>>46187549
Well you've got challenge, and the rogue has sneak attack. 1d6 each isn't going to be the biggest deal.

Compare that to what one of your chums can do if they don't have an angry guy with a sword buried up their arse.

Post yfw DTG got banned from /pfg/

>mfw I have no face

>>46187534
>Lets shit on anyone who says bad things about DSP!

>>46187583
Point taken, Ill swap it out.

>>46187613
>tone and content are the same thing
>objecting to tone is objecting to content
back to elementary school for you, friendo

>>46187634
The medium IS the message!

>>46185176
The Psychic Armory, one of Dreamscarred Press's archetypes for the Soulknife. It lets you summon a swarm of mindblades (1+Wisdom each of three different types, so with a 20 Wisdom you summon 18 blades) floating around you, and telekinetically throw them at people using Wisdom for attack and damage. It also has some abilities for hurling all of your blades at once for area attacks and stuff. It's actually pretty badass.

>>46187612
Ur a fagote

>>46187677
If you take mind daggers or mind shields, they get added to the panoply too. It's pretty fucking sweet.

>>46187696
Yeah, I usually take the daggers just for alternate enhancement options, but I didn't want to list all the stuff, just the basics.

Oh, and you summon multiple shields with the shield thing, too? I never caught that, that's pretty cool. I only had the playtest, is the full version out? That may be why I missed it.

>>46187735
I'm pretty sure it was like that in the playtest too, and multiple shields doesn't actually add any benefit, but yeah, PsyAug Soulknife came out a while ago

>>46187677

It honestly sounds like I'd like psionics more than vancian magic. It's unfortunate there's never really a good time to bring the rest of my group into that.

God, I can't stand prepared casting, and it's locking me out of a lot of good classes.

>>46187934
I know your pain.

Prepared casting just craps the bugs out of me. It's why I'm converting the Vigilante archetypes to Spheres of Power.