>Nahiri's art is a truly exquisite, beautiful masterpiece

the artist for sorin has done good arts in the past, like elspeth sun's champion
don't know why they just phoned it in this time

They look like they could have been done by the same artist at the resolution that you posted them at.

>>46147715
>elspeth sun's champion
Okay, pop quiz, what's one thing Elspeth has that Sorin doesn't?
Now reread the last word of OP.

>>46147715
Time's a bitch

>>46147744
nobody cares, lol

>>46147677
Well, "cool girls don't look at explosions" hardly qualifies as exquisite.
But yeah, Sorin still looks worse in comparison.

>>46147677
Honestly, it looks like they tried going with an old-ass fantasy novel look with Sorin, and succeeded in doing so.
Alternatively, they're trying to make him look less like Sephiroth.

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>>46147760
But that face. Those shoulders. Those generous-but-not-so-generous-as-to-incur-the-wrath-of-feminazis breasts.

>>46147806
>trying to make him look less like Sephiroth
Why would they do that? Pretty boys like Seph bring in the female fanbase Wizards desperately wants to build. I mean look at him.

>>46147677
It's not so much that Nahiri's art is good, it's just that Sorin's is really that shit. I mean he looks like a wooden statue with a scowl carved into its face.

>>46147876
>But that face. Those shoulders. Those ... breasts.
Anon, have you considered, that you might be, in fact, heterosexual?

>>46147677
Eric Deschamps usually produces pretty good art, and he have done alot of mtg cards. This Sorin is probably one of his worst piece, certainly the worst Sorin out of all Sorin planeswalker cards. That body and the body armor looked weird. I hope it looked better when we see the real card.

>>46147677
I actually like Sorin better. The other one looks like it's the wrong colors. Nahiri doesn't look R/W to me.

>>46147677
They're both shit. Nahiri looks retarded and has that stupid smug half-grin thing going on. Sorin's art is retarded for like a dozen reasons, all of which people have mentioned above.

>>46147677
>Card depicting a female character has better art (or so you say) than a card with a male character.
>They're misandrists.

Are you sure you're not just a mysogynist? What assurances do we have that you're not?

>>46148318
Well, for one, "mysogynist" isn't a word.

>>46148361
>Typo quibbling
>Question dodging

Pedantry at it's finest. You hate women. This is clear to everyone now.

Eric Deschamps is like a coin toss, man. Sometimes he puts out solid work and sometimes it's just kind of bland.
http://magiccards.info/query?q=a%3A%22eric+deschamps%22&v=scan&s=cname
I mean, it's not like he's incapable of good art, just sometimes experimentation goes wrong. If anything I think Sorin would look fine if it wasn't for all the empty space in the background which just make Sorin the only real focus. With New Nahiri you have the destroyed Markov Manor. I don't know what the shit I'm supposed to be seeing behind Sorin.

>>46151165
The blownout Helvault

>>46151257
That's some shitty positioning. I thought it was like some weird Ugin horn shape rock. I dunno, I think if the background was done better the art for Sorin wouldn't be so much of an issue.

Also it feels like there's two different sourced for moonlight which is also throwing me off.

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>>46148221
>stupid smug half-grin
THANK YOU, I hate that face.
Also, wizards should just be tracing over yoshitaka amano's art for elric, it would make a way better sorin.

>>46147677

Ok how the fuck do you use these cards? I don't understand the numbers and they don't have strength or toughness so how do they fight?

Here's hoping the tables are turned when we get Duel Decks: Sorin vs. Nahiri.

>>46148719
Please leave

>>46151764
READ THE RULES RETARD

Sorin looks like something from an 80s fantasy novel cover.

Hey anon, why didn't you use the other male planeswalker being released this set as a comparison? You know, the one with decent art?
Could it be that you're just trying to ineptly bait someone? Surely nobody on the internet would do that!

Modern Magic's art is all shit now anyways. I'll take a phil folio piece over these retarded "too kewl too edgy" bland shitwalkers made for tweens.

>>46151975
Jace's art is generic trenchcoat shit.
Nahiri isn't good either, she looks like brian molko.

>>46147744
An all-expenses-paid trip to hades?

>>46147936
Bullshit, it's /totally gay/ for a reason. A hetero could never get in here. c-could they?

>>46147677

Wizards is known to awkwardly shoehorn in "diversity" to MTG lore, but this isn't an example of it.

Both arts are good, Sorin actually looks like an ancient vampire lord rather than a pretty boy this time around.

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This thread is boring. Post Nahiri!

>>46151764
A Planeswalker comes into play with a number of counters (called Loyalty counters) equal to the number on the lower right.
Each turn, including the turn you played it, you can use one of the abilities, adding or subtracting the number of counters indicated, though you may only subtract counters if you have at least that many. For example - on the turn Nahiri the Harbinger comes out, you can either use her +2 ability (discard then draw) to put her at 6 counters, OR use her -2 ability (exiling stuff) to put her at 2, but not her -8 since she only has 4 total. You'd have to use her +2 twice in order to use the -8.
If a Planeswalker has 0 Loyalty counters on it, it's put into the graveyard. A player can attack a planeswalker as if it were a player (and has to declare which creatures are attacking you and which are attacking planeswalkers you control), but you may have your creatures block for planeswalkers you control. Any amount of damage dealt to a planeswalker removes an equal number of loyalty counters.
If you would deal damage outside of combat to a player (via say, a Lightning Bolt), you may redirect the damage to a planewalker they control.

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>>46152507
HAWT SOUP!

>>46147677
>WotC hires you to do art for 15 cards
>you get 14 done on time
>OH SHIT gotta phone in that 15th to get it in for your printing deadline.
>15th is Sorin
>Some 12 year old wannabe Hot Topic employee claims "misandry!" because their bi-curious "girlfriend" dumped them and their favorite vampire magic card isn't beautiful enough to have tattooed on their overwhelming massive amount of flesh
TIME TO POST PASTA EVERYDAY

>>46152546
unf

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>>46152507
>>46152563

>>46152863
Do you think Nahiri would have liked Mirrodin?

>>46152876
She would've felt powerless there, probably, without any stone at all to shape

why is nahiri so angry :(

>>46148044
First time I saw the new Sorin art on the spoiled Booster pack I was disappointed.
Same goes for Jace's new PW art. They should have just used the Unhooded version that they use as banner art on the MTG homepage.
Speaking of Deschamps. I remember admiring the art he did for the Duel Decks Venser and the FTV 20 Venser.
Wonder what happened here?

>>46153100
Her planet is dead ;_;

>>46153137
Here's hoping for a promo to fix this mess.

>>46153137
Maybe he just personally dislikes Sorin being a prettyboy?

>>46151165
I could barely understand what's going on in the art on Chandra's Ignition and Chandra, Flame of Kaladesh.

>>46147677
They look like two cuts in an action sequence.
>world is being destroyed behind Nahiri as she walks up to Sorin
>cue one-liners and fight

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>>46153170
that's not the problem. we can have an art of sorin being ugly, that's fine. planeswalkers look different in their different arts ALL the time. this art is just a literal pile of trash, AND sorin is ugly in it. his stance, the background, just him himself, everything fucking about it is stupid. i don't think there is a single art that is just objectively shit on a single other planeswalker.

compare, for the sake of argument, chandra fire of kaladesh. while the design of the image is a poor choice because the focus of the image ends up being some stupid boats and oars and shit in the foreground instead of chandra, that doesn't change the fact that the art itself is done well. it looks like something. even if that something is a stupid fucking boat and some oars. just by virtue of how SHIT this new sorin art is I rank it 1 / chandra fire of boat city.

>>46151781
Did they do a Planeswalker Duel deck for the BFZ block?
Last I heard they won't do those anymore but will continue non-PW Duel Decks like Zendikar vs. Eldrazi and Blesser vs. Cursed

>>46153200
Fire of Kaladesh is a creature.

>>46152657
I think the PWs are amongst the first pieces of art that's created in a set so we almost never get unanimously bad PW art.
Well except this mediocre Sorin.

>>46153229
hey shut the FUCK up you left wing bleeding heart apologist motherFUCKER

Sorin already has three cards with good art that see constructed play. It is fine that nahiri is getting her time in the spotlight

>>46153239
I usually don't like most of walker cards where said walker is looking directly at the 'camera'. Just a personal preference.

>>46153259
Just curious, how would you like the SoI Sorin card to look like instead?

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>>46153255

Let us celebrate the past

>>46153285
see holy SHit it's not even about him being good looking, this art is just really well done
he could have had a bridge troll's face and the art would still be sick

>>46153282
Dunno any new sorin art but Anguished Unmaking Sorin (crop the Sorin only) would be better.
Anyway, i reserve further judgment until i see the card in person.

>>46147677

Both look pretty generic. That washed out art style that seems far too common in card art these days.
They don't impress me much.

I think we can all agree that the real problem is that they're all white. Fuckin mayo pasty ass crackas the only ones who get to travel. Only one brotha planeswalker and he stays home.

>>46153710
There's two. Probably three soon considering Gideon is getting darker with every appearance.

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Was it necessary, /tg/?

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>>46153285
That's Michael Komarck for you. One of the best digital artists working today.

Deschamps on the other hand gave us new Sorin and pic related...
He's not terrible, he gave us some fine artwork but he's inconsistent as fuck.

>>46153710
Teferi existed 10+ years before any of the avengers/sorin/lilli
He is better in every way and he has his own bitchin party island

>>46147677
>Nahiri's art is a truly exquisite, beautiful masterpiece
Eh, no. It looks like the cover of the pocket edition of a preteen fanatsy novel.

>Sorin's looks like they picked up a random retarded 13-year-old on DeviantArt and paid them in pocky
Yes.

>>46154516
Komarck's human piece always looked great. His non human ones not too much.

>>46153784
The weird thing about Gideon's appearance is that when we first saw him we didn't know exactly where he actually was from, but he looked like someone who would have fit right in at home in Bant or one of the other generic fantasy worlds of MtG. We know for certain though that his home wasn't originally intended to be Theros because in the original backstory we had it was stated that his home plane had been destroyed - possibly because of him.

Wether they knew they wanted him to be native to Theros before they started to change his appearance is unclear, but it is rather insulting when WotC's claims that it isn't a retcon - that Gideon was always meant to look mediterranean and that the first art was a mistake. If he was, why was and still is his hair long and straight when that's not a look we see on any other Therosians? We even see that his hair was curly before his spark ignited on Kytheon. Now, sometimes people's hair change dramatically as they grow older, my own has gone from blonde and curly to dark brown and wavy from when I was a child to now, but why then is Gideon the only one on Theros who has experienced that change? Shouldn't we see at least some other older Therosian men with long and straight hair?

It's especially insulting because Gideon's original appearance was that of a caucasian male with a tan. That's not something unheard of, or even uncommon, in Greece. But Wizards obviously think that Greeks look like Mexicans because it's located in the south of its continent.

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>>46154610
Really? I think all his artwork is fantastic. Maybe some are just above average but I wouldn't call a single piece of his bad.

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>>46154696
Yup, he sure has a lot of different looks. Personally I like his look in the top left pic the most. But the one in the center and the one to its right which is from his Champion of Justice card are great too.

>>46147715

The higher-res image looks better. Not by much, but better.

>>46153255
Sorin has one card with decent art, and I highly doubt that his second two cards still see constructed play outside of the kitchen table.

>>46154696
>because in the original backstory we had it was stated that his home plane had been destroyed - possibly because of him.
Nope. His original backstory mentions nothing of that. It was a throwaway line in a silly DotP promo that wasn't run past the Wizards creative team first.

>>46147744
>what's one thing Elspeth has that Sorin doesn't
An interesting story?

>>46153008
Ugin believes that her Lithomancy may ultimately be something akin to the old Planeswalker realmshaping powers.

>>46154442
...what?

>>46154442
No.
Is it a problem?
Neither.
Quit whining. It ain't gonna change anything.
Though I gotta agree, black people on gothic horror plane sounds stupid.

>>46155116
What if black people ARE the horror?

>>46155063
NIGGERS
IN
MY
INNISTRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDD

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>>46148221
>>46151726
Might just be me but I see nothing smug about her expression.

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>>46155205
Deal with it.

>>46152524
I would actually love to see TheDurrrrian do some official MTG art.

>>46155205
The set has ghosts and a giant kraken monster, but you feel black people break the realism? Black people actually exist.

>>46154559
Teferi is not a walker anymore, probably dead and we will never return to Dominaria.

>>46155671
>Black people actually exist.

And they constantly feel the need to remind everybody of that

>>46155230

They are projecting.

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>>46155238

>>46155730

You.. are uncomfortable being reminded black people exist?

>>46147677
Every time I look at nahiri, I am reminded of farscape.

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>people actually like nahiri

>>46155730
How the fuck do you expect a plane based around america horror canon to not have black people? Someone's gotta die first anon.

But really, stop being so easily triggered.

>>46147677
Nahiri looks like a hobo.

>>46155671
It's easier to be taken out of fiction by something that does actually exist but doesn't follow the laws of reality. Sea monsters, vampires and zombies are fictional and as such register and fantastical elements by the brain. Black people are real, and when they turn up in a setting based heavily around 17th century Eastern Europe that's very jarring for a lot of people, just as it would be if caucasian Europeans showed up in a block based on sub-Saharan mythology.

>>46155743
You realize that blacks are only 12% of the American population?

Feels like a lot more doesn't it? Because they never shut the fuck up.

>>46155775
Until we get more explanation of her actions on Innistrad, she is technically a literal murder hobo

>>46155789
smdh do you think black people weren't invented yet in 17th century Europe?
medievalpoc.tumblr.com
educate yourself fool.

>>46155837
>smdh
>using niggerspeak
Fuck off back to tumblr.

>>46155789
There have been black people in Europe forever, doing trade all over the place.

>>46155789
But there were white people living in sub saharan africa, at some point, just as there were black people living in Europe in the 17th to 18th century. They were by no means a common site, but they weren't uncommon either.

I'm not even gonna say they had their own countries like the SJWs will. Merely that things like the slave trade, normal trade, colonization, and normal immigration resulted in black people living in or visiting European cities in small number.

Did you think there was some sort of wall around africa keeping the black people contained?

>>46155837
>>46155789

Eastern Europe here, I think I saw like 4 black people last year.

>>46155848
I've never seen one m8

>>46155854
>slave trade
Slaves were actually illegal in Europe since the 13th century or so. Moorish people certainly turned up in Europe sometimes, and there are some European nobles who are thought to maybe be of Moorish descent, but sub-Saharan black people were not common enough that you'd see people who looked like >>46155238 running around dressed as royalty, especially not in Eastern Europe.

>>46155854
North Africans and Arabs ≠ Black

>>46155172
>What if black people ARE the horror?
Go to bed, Howard.

>>46155971
But SOI is the Lovecraft horror block. I think he should stay a while longer and tell us more about the niggers.

If the rumors are true and an Egyptian plane is next after this....
Will it be full of black people to make the afro-centrists WE WAS PHAROS AND SHIT SENPAI people happy or no? Will people bitch no matter what?

>>46155902
again, neither were vampires, and all the power that entails. You expect some poor nigga bustin his ass on the docks for a wealthy merchant to not pimp hisself out a little bit once he gets mad vamp jumps and mad vamp game?

And it still doesn't change the fact that black people, even of sub saharan descent were around in europe.

>>46155910
right, but irrelevant.

Why are you idiots so easily triggered? You're as bad as fucking tumblr.

>>46155854
>just as there were black people living in Europe in the 17th to 18th century
Let me out this into perspective for you. To the average 18th century European, the Irish were considered a dark skinned people. When most Europeans talked about Moors, they were referring to native Spaniards.

>>46156035
>You're as bad as fucking tumblr.
And you'd know that from hanging around there so much, right? Fuck off.

>>46156014
As far as I can tell, the people bitching the most are the people in this thread.

>>46156051
Nah man, I used to be apart of the circle jerk myself, always letting other idiots point out the worst triggerings to me. Then I started noticing those same idiots getting triggered by similar bullshit, but in the opposite direction.

Seriously: you're as concerned with skin color as tumblr is. You let black people have as much power over you as tumblr does, because the very existence of a black person is enough to get your heckles up.

>>46156035
>some poor nigga bustin his ass on the docks for a wealthy merchant
You're thinking of the wrong continent here, m8.

>>46156051
Or maybe there are actually moderates on the internet who don't lose their shit over the presence of specific ethnic groups in children's cardboard games.

>>46156077
>No guys, I'm totally not from tumblr, now listen to me as I ignore all the facts you're pointing out!
Shove it up your fat ass, tumblrina.

>>46156043
I've never denied that they're uncommon. That doesn't mean they weren't there. Your entire argument relies on the fallacious assumption that there was an invisibile black people repelling wall around europe during this time period, and therefore no black people should ever show up ever in a fantasy set loosely based on a modern canon depiction of horror in that time period.

>>46156100
I'm not ignoring the facts that black people were uncommon in europe. I said that in my first post. You've posted no evidence that black people were absent from europe.

>>46156110
>invisibile black people repelling wall
It's called the Sahara.

>>46155789
If it makes you feel any better, they're probably going to put some kind of hydra in the set as well at rare/mythic

>>46156110
>and therefore no black people should ever show up ever in a fantasy set loosely based on a modern canon depiction of horror in that time period.
>based on a modern canon depiction of horror in that time period.
You're just making shit up now.

>>46156122
>You've posted no evidence that black people were absent from europe.
I've never posted any evidence that the sky is blue either. You going to dispute that too?

>>46153202
I think they only discontinued Event Decks. But I might be wrong.

>>46156129
I dunno. Wizard's have been pretty good at not putting fantasy races where they don't belong the last few years. Innsitrad has no Elves or Goblins, for example, Tarkir had no Angels and so on, and so on.

I remember ten years ago or so when they said that Odyssey was a big mistake because it didn't give casual players new cards to put into their Elves decks, and that it would be almost impossible to release a set without Dragons or Angels in it.

>>46156128
>what are boats to sail around it
>what are trade routes around it through egypt?

The sahara didn't stop white people from colonizing sub saharan africa during this time period, it certainly wouldn't stop white people from bringing some darkies back with them.

>>46156131
Do you... Do you actually think stylized gothic horror and lovecraft was a thing back then?

>>46156156
>there were absolutely no black people at all in europe despite contact between the cultures
>the sky is blue

These two statements aren't on the same level anon. Stop being retarded.

>>46154727
Why is he slowly turning into an ape? Will he be white/green in the future?

>>46156181
the ancient greek set had cat people

>>46156193
>Do you... Do you actually think stylized gothic horror and lovecraft was a thing back then?
Do you actually think Lovecraft has anything to do with this, you fucking retard?

Morons who care about the lack of black people being represented in a magical fantasy card game for children are stupid.
Morons who care about the presence of black people in a magical fantasy card game for children are stupid.

I think this is a point where you can safely say that the moderate has a really fucking good reason to feel superior to both sides. This discussion is ridiculous.

>>46156230
That was to explain Ajani's presence and to allow him to blend in without people freaking the fuck out at the talking catman.

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>>46156193
>he thinks sub saharan africans could build boats

these are the people that are still living in mud huts to this day bro

All these /pol/ retards getting triggered already justifies putting black people in Innistrad.

>>46156014
Nah, they'll do what they did to Gideon and make them all look like monkeys, I mean, it's obviously impossible to model actual people from that part of the world.

>>46156235
The set is based around lovecraftian horror as much as it is gothic horror.

>>46156265
Doesn't matter anon. It's actually wizards pandering to furries and tumblr and sjws who support species-kin, and completely against greek mythology. #notmytheros

>>46156277
Nah man, I think the white people built the boats, and took some black people back with them (earlier at first as slaves, and then later as indentured servants or trading partners)

>>46156193
>The sahara didn't stop white people from colonizing sub saharan africa during this time period
Yes, during the renaissance, not the medieval era. There's a reason all maps that existed before that time stopped at the Sahara. It was nearly impossible to traverse.

>it certainly wouldn't stop white people from bringing some darkies back with them.
We know for a fact that they did, because they showed off their discoveries to the Pope and the Kings that had funded their expeditions.

However, there was little to no reason for Eastern European countries to bother with that, because the entire point of the colonizations was to find a trade route to India and China that circumvented Ottoman tolls. Very relevant if you're Italy or Spain, not as relevant if you're Poland or Russia.

There were a lot of Turks in Eastern Europe at this time. There weren't a whole lot of black people.

>>46156289
>The set
Who gives a shit about the set?

>>46156317
Apparently you do, because the presence of a black person in it triggers you this hard.

>>46156289
>Nah man, I think the white people built the boats, and took some black people back with them

post proof faggot

there was an abundance of white peasantry in medieval europe to serve as indentured servants
slavery didn't become a thing until plantation owners in the new world needed someone to pick their cash crops

>>46156322
>implying argument is about the set and not the principle of the thing
I think I now understand why you don't realize just how retarded you sound.

>>46155012
But Nahiri's an Oldwalker anyway

>>46156337
Slavery was even outlawed in Europe at the time. It wasn't outlawed in the New World due to a technicality and when the European royalty tried to enforce it there as well they were opposed by a whole bunch of rich people who were now really fond of their slaves so they just left it.

>>46156304
>There were a lot of Turks in Eastern Europe at this time. There weren't a whole lot of black people.

The Ottomans had trade partners as far South as Ethiopia and Somalia. If anything, that provides the perfect route for the occasional black to turn up in Eastern Europe.

>>46156350
Is your "principle": "black people were completely absent in europe, therefore they should be completely absent from cards loosely based on Europe"?

>>46156337
http://www.history.ac.uk/reviews/review/619

>>46156395
It would also provide the perfect route for a reverse journey, yet I don't see you vehemently insisting that Slavs were all over Sub-Saharan Africa.

>>46156420
No one's saying all over except for you. But I wouldn't be shocked if there were occasional Slavs to be found in that region of Sub-Saharan Africa. A rare sight but still present, probably.

>>46156407
>Is your "principle": "black people were completely absent in europe, therefore they should be completely absent from cards loosely based on Europe"?
If I say yes, will that shut you the fuck up? Oh, no, of course it won't, you'll never shut the fuck up. I could tell you my actual principle, but that wouldn't do any good either.

>>46156447
If you'd say yes, I'd respond that you were factually wrong, and that the conclusion didn't follow from the precedent.

But go on, tell me your actual principle. I'm in the mood for another laugh.

>>46155238
Aww shit, its a blackula

>>46156439
>No one's saying all over except for you.
If I shouldn't be surprised to see them, then they were all over the place. And guess what, dipshit? THEY WEREN'T.

>>46156457
>if I shouldn't be surprised to see vampires, they were all over the place. And guess what, dipshit? THEY WEREN'T.

>>46156449
You find the expectation that the ethnographics and racial distributions of fictional settings line up with the ethnographics and racial distributions of the real times and places that they're loosely based on to be funny? Boy, if you want a laugh, try reading anything written in the 20th century or earlier.

I for one love every black person that wizards depicts on a card. Not for promoting diversity or anything like that. But for triggering people this hard.

I hope we get a sub saharan africa set soon. I can't wait for the people trying to deny that africans existed in africa.

>>46156474
>if I shouldn't be surprised to see vampires, they were all over the place. And guess what, dipshit? THEY WEREN'T.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vampire_folklore_by_region
Checkmate, bitch.

>>46156505
Why would you want a set full of shit cards that can do nothing but eat grubs and wave their spears at zebra?

Sorin is clearly putting on his best Kain impression.
https://youtu.be/mlfOBjoafzw?t=46s

>>46156497
Posted this actual evidence a bit ago.
http://www.history.ac.uk/reviews/review/619

>as high as 6-7% in some european cities.

>>46156538
Because the triggering on both sides would be delicious. /pol/ wait, um, /tg/, yeah, /tg/ would be pissed about "pandering" and imagined historical innacuracies, and /tumblr/ would be pissed about any villains portrayed as black.

>>46156497
I think having one or two black people per set in a plane were they were uncommon based on a loose modern depiction of historical myth, with some even more modern myths thrown in is fine.

Do you complain this hard that the vampires don't obey ancient vampire rules from slavic myth? If Sorin crossed open water, would that trigger you too anon?

>>46156572
>based on a loose modern depiction of historical myth, with some even more modern myths
Is that what they taught you to say in Historical Revisionism 101?

I remember when racism on 4chan was casual and ironic.

>>46152507
Not white enough.

>>46156597
>modern gothic horror is an accurate depiction of medieval european myth

Is that what they taught you at Birmingham Southern's creative writing class?

>>46156615
I have never even read a single page of gothic horror in my entire life, you stupid cunt.

>>46156622
And yet you're commenting and dictating what races are appropriate to include in it.

>>46156627
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand?

>>46155230

She looks aloof, maybe. But she either has a niggress face (big lips and wide flat nose) or lightning on her face is terrible.

>>46156635
>uninformed about the genre
>expects it to conform to his racism
>uses argument based on innacruate knowledge of history "Black people were never able to make it to europe" to support his point, despite history being largely irrelevant to the matter at hand

I guess nothing else, I don't know what else I expected on /tg/.

>>46156642
She's always been depicted with those sorts of features though. See >>46152587

>>46156658
>expecting Europe to be full of white people
>racism
Go back to Africa.

>>46156666
>expecting europe to have no black people despite historical evidence of their presence (already posted in this thread faggot)
>innistrad=europe

Go back to /pol/.

>>46156674
Never been. Can't say the same yourself, can you, you filthy troglodyte?

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>>46155238

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>>46156725
>not posting the original.

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New spoiler lads

>>46156678
Oh, so instead of being infected by a retarded ideology, you independently arrived at the retardation yourself. Congratulations anon.

>>46156782
>taking 10 minutes to come up with a decent comeback

>>46156156
>fuck this SJW shit
>what would a fucking nigger be doing in Venice of all places
>fucking race mixing cucks
>Othello is a stupid name for a negro anyway

>>46156781
Its obviously a black creature anon

>>46156825
>Othello the Moor
>"Moors" included Arabs in Shakespeare's day

>>46156794
>thinking i'm hanging on your every word and not doing other things.
That's sad.

>>46156891
>Damage control
That's despair-inducing.

>>46156904
>being this delusional
You're a neet aren't you.

>>46156951
>deluxe damage control
That's just depressing.

This has become two people just resorting to the stupidest fucking trolling of each other, each thinking they've got the upper hand in the 'debate.'

>>46153188

I think this anon is right.

This was a nice thread once but /pol/ ruined it as it ruins everything it touches. End this thread, that we might enjoy Innistrad without the faggotry.

>>46156980
I had the upperhand when I posted facts anon. Now I'm just watching the sputtering response. I'm this guy for reference: >>46155854, >>46156407
>>46153188
and then they fuck.

>>46156997
>MtG setting
>possible to enjoy
And just when you thought /tg/'s standards couldn't get any lower...

>>46155854
>They were by no means a common site
>but they weren't uncommon
These are mutually exclusive statements.

>>46155230
I know it's basically "cool guys don't look at explosions" but I...I actually like the artwork

>>46147936
That poor bastard.

>>46151320
Moon cracking in two confirmed.

>>46158295
Sometimes American media just lets you know that it's an American production. That image heartens back to the age of American slavery much more than anything European.

>>46147744
A good card?

>>46158359
what about the asian woman on the card?

>>46151165
The problem with the Sorin artwork is really that it's so overworked that it starts to looks flat.

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>yfw Nahiri is priming Innistrad for a Phyrexian invasion as a fuck you to Sorin

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>>46158401
>she isnt converted, she just thought it would be funny to ruin his world and prime it for ruination
would be 10/10

>>46158384
Also feels much more like something from the Wild West when Chinese people were everywhere building railroads. Snapcaster was a card the first time around, but it was an invitational card so I think I would have been fine with that even if there were no other Asians around at all, because it's an Easter egg more than anything.

Europe is a multicultural place, but it's not as shallow as skin color.

>>46158401
>>46158436
that some new level of spite

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>>46158445
>snapcaster reprint
>they threw out the asian guy and replaced him with a black dude
>tfw it perfectly reflects what PC culture does in US atm

>>46152546
>That three-foot-long, burning erection.
What's with WotC artists always trying to sneak giant cocks onto all the women they draw?

So who is your favourite recent mtg artist? I'm split between Cythia Sheppard who did Sorin, Solemn Visitor and Tyler Jacobson who did Starfield of Nyx and the Elspeth vs. Kiora Duel Deck walkers.

>>46159455
>seeing cocks everywhere
Well, I am visiting /totally gay/ so I don't know what I was expecting.

>>46159543
http://magiccards.info/query?q=a%3A%22Cynthia+Sheppard%22&s=cname&v=scan&p=1
http://magiccards.info/query?q=a%3A%22tyler+jacobson%22&v=scan&s=cname

>>46147744

Tits?

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>>46159543
Raymond Swanland

>>46159543
Kev Walker will always be my favorite

>>46154442
Yes.
We absolutely needed to have Scooby Doo in Innistrad.

>>46156166
They've stopped printing the PLANESWALKER vs PLANESWALKER duel decks in favor of the THEME vs THEME ones, due to the two-block schedule. Not an actual cancellation, since we're still getting two duel decks a year, but a shifting of what's in the ones we get.

>>46159115
Honestly this looks a lot better than the over designed Asian.

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>pic related is in SOI and was also painted by Eric Deschamps

maximum kek

>>46159543
>>46160118
All of these artworks look the same.

>>46152535
Is that Cheetara??

>>46153229
So, they play "totally missing the point" in the special olympics?

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>>46156109
>someone saved my countershitpost OC

>>46147677
>WoTC confirmed for misandrists
I think this was confirmed a long time ago. Wasn't there some tempest-in-a-teapot ragefest by cuntflaps for a card that depicted violence against a female?

>an entire subcategory of GRRRL POWER shit is built on the female-on-male violence meme
>people get offended when a male character, within reason, is shown slapping some bitch around

>>46155230
Briclot annoy me;
The guy can do details, sure, but none of his art have any life, or warmth in it.

>>46152546
I wish we could have that art for her new card instead of the one in OP's.

>>46154715
The exemple here doesn't sell it to me.
The blades looks glued to the tiger and impraticable at fuck, really a bad design choice.
And the golem is really bland in a "let's just shit all the cool effects without thinking about it" way.

>>46158401
I would love that actually and I fucking hate Phyrexian fags

>>46155238
Black people will never not look funny in armor.

>>46156181
Devils could have been goblins without any problem though. Just call them devils like you called Kamigawan goblins akki.

>>46163052
Seems like this was only a sketch for no set in particular.

>>46156505
But i'll kinda dig an african-themed set actually. There is a lot of fucked-up mythos you could use as a stepping-stone for to build a cool lore.
I just don't like when you put a black guy in a northern-themed set because it's fucking illogical. Blacks got their skin like that for a goddamn reason.

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>>46156674

>>46158401
what will the phyrexians do? Most of the things on Innistrad are already kind of dead.

>>46159543
Recent? Well, since we got some in Tarkir, Wayne Reynolds i guess? I'm kinda in love with his shapes.
Zendikar art was a real disappointment for me (with the exception of a few cards).

>>46158445
The original was an invitational card. They tend to use new art for subsequent printings, like solemn simulacrum, shadowmage infiltrator and bob.

>>46162866
The problem was, supposedly, that the picture when taken out of context looked very rapey. Now, logically, the people who saw that picture without knowing the context and caring enough about how it looked would not be the target audience of Wizards anyway, and it likely looked a lot worse than it actually was, because companies still aren't used to how fast things can go down on Twitter or Tumblr despite only a handful of people being involved in it.

Still, reasonably, the correct response from Wizards would have been to either apologize, promise nothing, and move on or just ignore it. But they didn't. What they did was promise to not have women be damsels in distress in their game again which is rather silly. Because not only is it rather insulting that you say something like that and still allow men to be put into positions of obvious weakness and need of rescure when your reason for allowing for banning women from being that depicted that way is equality, but also because it's completely dishonest. Women ARE still depicted in those positions in the game, it's just not as obvious that they are women.

And also, it could be said to very incosiderate of the people who do actually get off on DiD. It may seem silly, I know it does to me, but if the reason for showing scantly clad attractive males in the game is to attract heterosexual women and homosexual men to the game and I do think that's a reasonable of Wizard's to do then it should be equally reasonable for them have a few damsels in distress to appeal to that crowd.

>>46163437
That's exactly what I said.

>>46163479
Do people really get interested in the game because there is a few hot guys/girls in it? For fuck sake.

Chandra being cute is nowhere near the reason i play that game. I guess those people are the same that play rpg for romance?

>>46163405
>what will the phyrexians do?

The same thing they do everywhere. everything being dead just makes things easier for them

>>46163564
Yes, I think those are exactly the people who would get into the game because of husbandos and waifus. I don't persoanlly understand it at all, and would prefer it if RPGs skipped the romance crap all together, just as I would prefer it if MtG stopped with the Neowalker crap all together, but considering how much the rest of fanservice screams for both of those things I am willing to admit that I'm in the minority here.

>>46163628
>fanservice
I meant fanbase, of course. I'm a bit drunk here.

>>46154715
You do know that Magic artists usually don't just get to design and draw what they want right? They get guide lines from the art director and create artwork based on those guide lines. If they describe a retarded design then they have to draw the artwork with the retarded design.

>>46163724
supposed to be responding to
>>46163151

>>46156439
>I wouldn't be shocked if there were occasional Slavs to be found in that region of Sub-Saharan Africa
You might think that, but it would prove nothing other than you being an idiot. For one, neither Europe nor Africa was considered a source of wealth during this time. The place everyone wanted to trade with was China. Secondly, Slavs weren't the ones colonizing the world because they had no practical way to do so. Thirdly, there was no point travelling to Ethiopia to trade there when the Turks already did the same thing and you could already trade through them. Considering that their tolls were great enough that it spurred on the Age of Discovery I dare say that it wouldn't have been profitable enough to send your own merchants through their lands.

>>46163724
They get a few lines guiding them in a general direction, eventually more detailled if the card's art is especially important.
The guy could have just go for spiky bones coming out of his arms wich would have already be retarded giving the way the tiger attack. But he had to go for an elaborated design wich make it looks like a retarded Final Fantasy monster.
Ok, the artistic direction may be dumb, but there is always way to get around this.

>>46163724
>>46163910
I don't know how they do it now, but I remember a few yar back - like ten years back or so to be more precise - that what the artists would get was something very generic and open ended, like:

>A smog monster is attacking farmers (see Style Guide p.11 for farmer references) at night Focus should be put on the smog monster and how frightful it is to behold.

>>46154442
WE
WUZ
INNISTRAD

>>46164094
As people have pointed out, black people actually did appear in original Innistrad as well. It was less tacky then, I suppose, but it still feels kinda pointless. I don't have a problem with black or asian people showing up on a plane like Zendikar or Mirrodin, because fuck do I know how that world works, but it is jarring to me when they show up in blocks clearly and heavily inspired by actual European places and time periods. I don't know, maybe this is just my autism showing here, but I really can't stay immersed in a world that at once tells me 'oh, this is 16th century Eastern Europe but with vampires and zombies' and at the same time expects me to believe that the demographic is exactly the same as that of modern day America. It just fucking doesn't work.

It's also really hard for me to say this, because the people who are on my side of this are also generally not the people I would agree with on social issues, while the people who disagree with me are. Like, I'm all for equality, I want people regardless of the color of their skin or religious beliefs to have an equal chance in society to do what they want. I'm even one of those libertarian nutjobs who want completely open borders. But just as I would be distrurbed if Wizards put Scandinavians in a African mythology block I am taken out of it by them putting black people in Europeam mythology blocks.

The thing that a lot of people clearly doesn't understand is that depiction does not equal endoresement. You can have clearly racist characters in your story that aren't necessarily punished for their views while still not personally endorsing racism. And the lack of depcition does not equal endorsement of the former. Not having any caucasians show up in your African mythology block is not the same as being racist against caucasians. They just didn't belong in that particular setting.

>>46164471
There were plenty of black people in Europe in 16th century. Much more so than vampires or werewolfs.

>>46164781
>There were plenty of black people in Europe in 16th century
No, there weren't.

>Much more so than vampires or werewolfs
As has already been explained in the thread, it's much easier to taken out of your suspension of disbelief by something that you're familiar with from reality that doesn't apply to the rules of reality than it is to be taken out by something that is clearly fantastical.

>>46164471
>the skin color of eople in the setting ruin immersion
>but im not a racist, i swear!
lol ok

>>46164951
Would you be bothered if people in an Ethiopian setting were depicted as caucasian? I would.

>>46164981
implying i know what the fuck an ethiopian setting is

>>46164998
>implying you're worth spending my time on

>>46164920
http://www.historyextra.com/feature/missing-tudors-black-people-16th-century-england

First google result.

>>46165188
England is not located in Eatern Europe.

>>46147677
You guys are probably better at art and shit, but I think both look great.

>>46155671
That is a silly argument and you know it.

>>46156181
Thay totally could put a few elves and goblins on Innistrad, though.

>>46156572
>would be pissed about any villains portrayed as black
Oh god.
They're gonna make the bad guy white, I can see it.
I really hope they don't. An evil african sorcerer-warlord would be so much cooler than generic evil slave trader #5567

>>46156666
>expecting MTG to take place in Europe

>>46165431
Elves are already established to be extinct on Innistrad. Don't know about Goblins, but Devils already fill the same niche, so I doubt it.

>>46156781
There's nothing OK about this card design
>White

>Warrior
>Not Rebel

>Endangered
>Animal
>Creature Types

>Zebra
>Endangered

Yes I'm mad

>>46166068
Are zebras like the weeds of Adrica?

I literally have no clue.

>>46166162
Of three species, only one is really even kind of endangered. That species (greyii?) and another (I forget) still have pretty much their same small historical range in the mountains. The last (zebra?) are like deer in the US.

>>46159115
Looks way better than the DYEL chubster they had on the original art.

t. a self hating fattie

>>46163355
It's just as revisionist to pretend black people were absent from europe as it is to pretend they were common. You're retarded, and your image isn't related.

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>>46166280
Tiago is a bit chubby, but not really what I would call fat.

>>46166237
Of the three species of zebra one is literally endangered and another is vulnerable.

>>46155238
>>46156725
Are black vampires resistant to sunlight?

>>46166342
We're talking about a very specific part of Europe here. Eastern Europe isn't really known for its extensive transatlatic trade.

While Moors certainly showed up in Southern Europe from time to time and the image of black people proveably implied strength in Europe they certainly weren't a common sight in the entirety of Europe, even though they were certainly not unheard of in parts of it.

The problem here, is that the people who are proposing that black people did visit Europe refer to soursec that talk about countries that are well known for having traded and colonized around the globe, while the people who propose that the idea is ludicrius are talking about Eastern Europe specifically, meaning the eastern parts of the HRE, the Balkans and Balticum, which is where Innistrad primarily draws its inspiration from.

Now, its also important to remember that MtG is primarily an American enterntainment product and as such will be very concerned about following the American consensus about what's PC at the moment. You or me may find it very silly that they'd go such lengths to please SJWs but at the same time we must realize that Wizard's have no reason to take the risk of alienating people or get into a debate in the media over this.

if black people are so great and were everywhere in medieval Europe then why haven't they achieved anything of note in the last 600 years?

checkmate cucks (atheists)

>>46163355
holy moly, that game looks pretty fuckin neato

I'm glad I got something out of this thread.

>>46166639
There's two problems with the idea that black people don't belong in Innistrad.

1. It's based on the idea that Innistrad is stet in not!Eastern Europe. This is subtly innacruate. Innistrad is based on the American genre of Gothic Horror, which is a fictional collection of stories. Innistrad is also now based at least in part on lovecraftian horror. There are certain setting themes that are important to gothic horror, but none of them have ever been "no black people".

2. Even if Innistrad is based on Eastern Europe, it's ludicrious to expect the entire plane to be. Eastern Europe existed as part of a world, of which black people are part of. Black skin is a natural adaptation to high amounts of sun. Oh, also, magic and its miracles greatly reduce the cost of traveling, which would let the black people on the plane visit the white areas our story takes place in.

3. there were some, but not many black people in eastern europe. Surely not as many as Italy, or a port city, but they made their way there (and evidence has been posted earlier in this thread to suggest that).
Now before /pol/ gets its panties in a twist about what I just said, I'm not advocating for wizards to go full sjw over race and start elinimating whitey from cards, or whatever doomsday scenario /pol/ thinks this is. I'm simply saying that getting this triggered over a very small minority of cards showing a small minority of people on them is fucking retarded. /pol/ is basically handing control over its emotional state to the jews it so fears.

If there's one thing this thread has taught me...
>unoronically using the word "nigger"
>WHY DOESN'T WOTSEEE CARE ABOUT WHAT I WANT?!?!

>>46166801
>Innistrad is based on the American genre of Gothic Horror
Yes, this is what I'm saying- I didn't eve notice that there were black people in SOI before people pointed it out to me. When it was pointed to me, however, it was suddenly very jarring to me, but it's important to remember that MtG's goal isn't to be accurate in its representation of foreign cultures, especially post-Kamigawa.

I still think that most of the people that get their panties in a bunch over the exclision of black people in these blocks would be equally upset over the inclussion of white people in an Africa-block, but I don't blame Wizards for that. They're a buisness and they are doing exactly what they should be doing in this situation. Consumers should do what they're supposed to be doing and vote with their wallets.

>it's ludicrious to expect the entire plane to be
We already know it isn't. They talked about this when the first Innistrad was released. Things where intentionally left unexplained, such as where exactly all the ships are going even though only one port is ever mentioned. It's fair to assume that what we see of Innistrad is only one small country in a plane not all too unsimilar to Earth. However, that makes it more jarring for many people, not less. Had it been presented as a setting where American B-horror movies always take place it probably wouldn't have felt so out of place to a lot people that black people existed in this place (hell, I might even have liked American B-horror movie world more) that's obviously based on Transylvania, eastern Germany and the area between. But because it so closely resembles real life Earth the things that don't work like they do on real life Earth stick out so much more.

>>46166801
I bet you anything black people are over represented in magic, just like they are in most other forms of media

>>46167188
I really don't know if that's true. For example, people say essentially the same thing about women, or at least did a decade ago or so ago, but studies showed that people have a very biased opinion about what equal representation means between the genders. When men and women where given equal amount of time on the screen people, both male and female, would say that women were overrepresented, and when women where given about 30% of the screentime people would say that it was equal.

So I would happily see some numbers backing up your claim here.

And no, I'm not some tumblrite. I'm actually most probably on your side in this particular debate as it stands right now.

>>46167325
>debate

confirmed for redditumblrite
you can't prove me wrong so shut the fuck up

every time I turn on espn or fox there's black people on
not 1 for every 10 other race like it should be but more like 3 or 4

>>46167427
How many asians do you see?
if you are american, they make up about 5% of the population, so 1 in 20 people on fox or espn should have been yellow or indian brown.

>NAHI-NAHI-NAHIIIIIIIIIIIII!
>COME OUT WHEREVER YOUUU AREEEEE!!
>I HAVE A THING FOR YOU~ (And it's not my diiiiick). It's being in the way of a millenia old vampire!
vs
>SHIIIIT DON'T LOOK, PRAY NOTHING HITS YOU, THIS LOOKIN' SOOOO SIC
>I think something hit me in the ass, oh god it hurts like a bitch.

>>46166280
Eh. I mean, makes a kind of sense for a hyper-powerful mage to be a little bit of a chubster, I'd say.

t. another self hating fattie who just started lifting this weekend.

>>46155671
I'm glad you won't be upset when Egypt the plane is populated by notthing but Mexicans and Koreans.

>>46169437

If there was a random East Asian looking dude in the Egyptian set I wouldn't bat an eye

>>46161909

swords over back...
dammit why?

>>46168920
I mean, think about it. Dude can just flashback a bag of chips from last week instead of going to the store to buy them.

It would be weird if he wasn't fat.

You never disappoint, /tg/. The logical complaint about Briarbridge is that she had space marine shoulders that make her head look tiny. Likewise, the problem with our buddy Tupacula is that his hair looks retarded. I don't care what color they are, what they wear and how is more important to the gothic aesthetic, which I feel is weaker in this set.

Hell, I'm surprised none of you fucks brought up that Nahiri's face isn't caucasoid.

>>46159115
lol fuck Tiago Chan

>>46147677
sorin looks metal as fuck
>nahiri exquisite
go eat a cock

>>46171106
>go eat a cock
Ok

>>46171332

Hi :3

>>46171561
OM NOM NOM

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>>46147744
gideons dick

>>46171649
Steamy

>>46162784
i believe the point is that planeswalker art is portraiture, where creature art isn't focused entirely on the subject, with it being dead center in the setting (which is normally considered a 'bad thing' as it acts as a hole which directs all of your attention to the center point, rather than seeing the picture as a whole).

it's like you all literally know jack shit about art.

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Gonna dump some Eric Deschamps planeswalker cards just to show how shitty his Sorin is.

Dude's talented but his experimentation sometimes doesn't work.

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>>46172945
relevant

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>>46172958
I also still really feel that maybe the Sorin would pass if the background wasn't so empty. It's just a combination of a bunch of faulty choices that art.

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>>46172974
Neat Koth for the duel deck. Deschamps also did both Venser walker cards.

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>>46172987
Everyone's favorite Kamigawa waifu

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>>46173004
Zarek feels like the most non important story important character.

>>46147677
they're both CG garbage you /pol/ conspiracist

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>>46173019
The better Venser work he did.

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>>46173037
GARRUK

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>>46173057
MAD GARRUK

>>46163355
this is so fucking cringy

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>>46173072
Most recent walker that wasn't Sorin. Here is where it starts to look wonky and bland. The fire in Chandra's art makes it feel cluttered while Sorin's empty background and weird lighting fucks it up. I feel if the moon was seen behind Sorin then it would feel like it makes more sense and people would be more forgiving of the piece but it feels like there's two different sources of moonlight and it makes it throws off dudes.

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>>46173102
and apparently the moon is behind him.

I dunno, this and Chandra feel like digital works where his others feel like they can be traditional? I also fucked up in that Chandra was the most recent because it's actually Gideon. I dunno, man. They need to let him lay off from doing PW art for a block or something. I'd like to see other artists take on that task too. A Ming Yum painted walker card would be rad. Let Chris Rahn do some more walker cards. Daarken has been doing art for you dudes forever, let him do a few. Chippy?

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You know, I think it's the armor that is really making everything look wonky. It just doesn't look right on the body.

>>46159115

promo snapcaster is great though. also they seem to ditch invitational portraits for reprints: see Dark Confidant in modern masters

>>46174559
The only invitational card to have been printed with its original art is Avalanche Riders when it was timeshifted. Kai's card was also reprinted in Time Spiral but they went with the promo art for that one, not unlikely because the original art depicts him wearing a giant diaper and waving his arms around like he just don't care.

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>>46152535
PLEASE GIVE ME A SOURCE

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>complaining about black people on Innistrad when they already existed in the first place
>complaining that black vampires exist at all
>not actually complaining that black vampires aren't pale or depicted with vitiligo

Come the fuck on /tg/