OFFICIAL BOOKS >Eclipse Phase PDFs http://robboyle.wordpr

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>>46080724
Old thread >>46034834

>>46080724
What the fuck is that pic from?

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was there ever a list or pdf of TITAN artifacts? I thought one had been posted before, but I never saved it.

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>>46080949
Prophet.

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>>46080949
Prophet by Brandon Graham and several different artists, but that particular image (and issue) is by Farel Dalrymple

>>46081654
>on the other side of the door are two hundred thousand bottles of antique boutique bottled water, retrieved from earth.
>we will be fucing loaded if we can get this to my contact on mars, fucking oligarchs will pay us in bio-platinum dildoes that kizz cocaine for this crap

>>46081633
There are a few good threads on the official forums

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>>46079582
Yes, but "sufficiently intelligent" means as smart as the being(s) that created the Exsurgent virus.

>>46081936
They're clearly optical data films.
>>46082050
The required intelligence is not well established. The Prometheans seem to have done a good job, and the TITANs might have as well if they had a little forewarning.

>>46082050
Well, the TITANs themselves might have created it. That's up to the DM/reader's discretion.

>>46082394
>The Prometheans seem to have done a good job
The Prometheans were paranoid and ran at the first sign of infection, they never sat around to try their luck against infection at all.

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>>46080724
>3 eclipse phase threads without premature death

#YOLF!!

>>46082473
Or are they the reason it's mostly gone now?

>>46082429
That's explicitly not the case. But if that's how you want to run it that's your call

>>46082736
That's because all the SJWs, meme-posters and other idiots migrated to 5+3chan, and someone is actually discussing the game.

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So, transhumanity's fate is out. To be honest, even to the extent that I liked Fate to begin with, I wasn't a fan of the particular rules of the official version - other than some of the altered rules for contests, which were neat.

Also, Eclipse Phase motivators!

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>>46083412
(And, done)

>>46083235
>So, transhumanity's fate is out. To be honest, even to the extent that I liked Fate to begin with, I wasn't a fan of the particular rules of the official version - other than some of the altered rules for contests, which were neat.

Post the PDF

So how the hell do I introduce a new group to Eclipse Phase? They mostly played fantasy games like DND. Seems like there is so much information you need to absorb to even be functional in the setting.

>>46083750
Make them freshly reinstantiated infugees. Their ignorance of the setting now qualifies as RP.

>>46083823
Also sleeve them into pleasure pods.

>>46083750
>>46083823

Yeah, the Futurama move seems to be ideal. That, or have them play a "Fall escape" type scenario as kind of a rough run-up to the full blown Post-Fall setting.

>>46083975
Fall escapes are kind of overdone, the Futurama open is more fun

>>46083750
You may or may not want to rely on Muses. Each character might have a muse (or been assigned one); having a secretary/helper character lets you subtly or not so subtly intervene when the players seem to be totally confused. Some players resent that sort of thing, though - so it's a judgement call.

But ultimately it depends on what you and your players want out of RPGs in general, and this game in particular. Players who want to be a criminal syndicate are different from those who want to save the system are different from those who want to discover the hidden truths behind everything.

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>>46083975
"Your career has been selected. You cannot ever leave your job. Your genetically chosen career is... <DELIVERY BOY>."
"DAMMIT NOT AGAIN!"

>>46083962
Nah. Defective cases.

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>>46084326

>Defective cases.

Redundant.

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>>46084424

The Case morph starts with the Lemon trait. They are literally already basically defective.

>>46084449
>what could be worse than that?

Lol

>>46084449
A corp-supplied case could have thought monitoring firmware.

>>46084867

Well, I'd argue that's not really "defective". That sounds like features working as intended.

I suppose you could argue the same for Lemon also, but I'm pretty sure random joint or subsystem failures or whatever you qualify randomly taking a Wound as is still a "defect".

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any ideas for weird trends for socialites or titanian bloggers to be hip to? there could be all sort of unexpected historical fads and subcultures thrust into the limelight, but there ought to be a level of scatteredness and divergence to the fads that I cant supply myself

>>46084978
Look at Japanese subcultures.

>>46084978
That could honestly be one of them. Socialite's dolling up their aides like they're personal dress up toys. People becoming fashion accessories sounds very Eclipse Phase if you ask me.

>>46084978
Just make shit up. Lots of it. Everyone has their thing.

Exopaleontology, procedural fashion design, masturbation in hard vaccuum, pictures of cats, fan fiction, politics

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>>46083609
4u

So everyone, what Eclipse Phase character concepts might interest you in FATE that you wouldn't play using the base system? What are some awesome EP flavoured aspects?

Custom morphs, /tg/, using the Transhuman rules? Anything interesting you've built?

I've only come up with two that have seen any use in our games. The Einherjar is exclusively in use by pre-fall egos who have their original bodies, because it is their original body. Few aptitude boosts, and implants, but stat limits comparable to the remade and tough as hell. The rationale was that they were the rich/lucky girding themselves against the future. They worked as an effective 'oh SHIT' button for us, because identifying the gene-sequences of one meant we were probably in trouble.

The other was the Crow. Think a reaper crossed with a neoavian, but instead of point blank annihilation, it did infowar. It got launched across space, disguised as space junk, to infiltrate a jovian habitat. Crashed into the Jupiter outer atmosphere, woke up, activated its plasma sail and internal rocket and went straight for the local habitats. Hilarious!

>>46086587

I've smashed together a few, and saved the stats on some more ideas from /epg/ threads.

Personally, I tend to base custom morph ideas on simple design plans which aren't outright met by the extant morphs (which leaves only a few gaps) and so far none have had any proper play in games I've run.

>>46085910
>[Accept]
>Oh Allah fucking dammit, she's a fucking flipper in a human body. That's the third time! Why do I keep attracting whales?

>>46086587
I cooked up the Cyber-Wolf and a combat variant of the synth. Mind sharing the Einherjar?

>>46086155
For some reason that doesn't work for me once it's saved.

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>>46087064

This is why you always to a social network deep-dive before friending someone, fampai.

>>46087219
Default was just a large sized base dur 150 morph with basic biomods/mesh inserts, all the 'quality of life' materials and a few 'just in case' ones, like an emergency farcaster, high-g augmentation and aptitude maximums of 40.

The dread came mostly from the fact that sighting one meant you had someone between 80-150 on your tail. Which meant those maximums were being used, the attached skills would be colossal.

And that you'd somehow missed something sized 'large' sniffing around looking for what you were looking for.

So, say I make a Mercurial neo-octopus uplift with the following Traits:
Positive: Predator, Killing Instinct, Hardened (Solitude)
Negative: Mental Disorder (Autophagy), Solitary, Real-World Naivete
Would my theoretical murder-octo be accepted into Firewall as a sentinel, and just how much would he skeeve out everyone around him? Is this a playable concept, or should I try for something else?

>>46087472
He probably would be pretty freaky, but lets be real, most neo-octopodes are kinda freaky. People will probably work with him, but might keep one eye open.

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>>46086587
I actually came up with a synthmorph a while back to throw at my players/have available as something they could. It was a pre-fall combat synthmorph, a cross between a fury, a daitya, reaper, and remade. Basically a tank, but smushed into a human sized (see almost eight foot tall) frame.

>>46087547
*something they could get

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I'm thinking of running a campaign where the players take on the roles of semi-independent detectives in the NQPD. Does anyone have ideas for a police procedural kind of EP game? I'm having a little bit of trouble thinking what police work would be in the EP world, like how homicide investigations work, or what kinds of crimes really warrant police crackdowns. I'm thinking small time (or occasionally big time) indenture abuse, or ego-theft would be some big ones. Corporate espionage seems like another, with the NQPD caught between rival hypercorps. Potentially dangerous subcultures like cults or other kind of underground things seem like an option as well.

What makes more some good GiTS-y episodic things to have happen in EP?

>>46087547
I did something kind of similar, but it was basically just some superheavy infantry stuff, which was originally made for AI pilots. I don't remember where I have the rule for it though.

>>46087634
A secretly exhuman serial murderer? Goes about his daily life as a run of the mill splicer or exalt, but switches into some kind of monstrous combat/stealth morph at night to hunt people caught out on the streets?

Maybe a whole pack of them, using the city as their "hunting ground".

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>>46086155
>Athletics and Somatics are separate skills

For fuck's sake, why? The whole point of FATE is to spend fewer pages on skill bloat and more on shit that moves the plot forward. This is the problem everyone had with all the playtest additions, they got so fucking bogged down in pointless minutia and played against every strength the system had, why didn't they fix it?

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>>46087716
>not understanding their design genius

>>46087766
Is sucking dick a sign of genius? If so you'd better apply to MENSA

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>>46087788
You're the one who doesn't understand why they did it, anon.

>>46087814
Do you understand sucking dicks? If not, why are you so good at it?

>>46087859
That doesn't make sense in the context of FATE, anon. I mean, you're wrong, fair enough. You understand that. Why don't you walk through your thought process so you can learn why all the minutae are so important?

>>46088026
>That doesn't make sense in the context of FATE, anon.

Ok

Aspect: Constantly sucking dicks

>>46088072
Okay. Now do you understand why you need all the extra bits and pieces in the FATE conversion? Why splitting things like athletics and somatics?

>>46088127

Stunt: Swallow

>>46088145
Yes, anon. You've made your point. But you're yet to understand why you are wrong. Stunts and aspects in fate don't give the proper depth that a wide variety of skills built in do. Why can't you understand that?

>>46088172

Trouble: Mouthful

>>46088182
Hardly, anon. You're accusing me of sucking dicks, not yourself. A trouble is a high order thing. Not something nitty gritty, like a skill.

I need an appropriate EP motivator for "It always comes back to sucking dicks"

>>46088202
That's pretty much any form of neo-@ civ.

>>46088201

High concept: The anonymous user who skilfully slurps several sizable sausages simultaneously

>>46088350
There you go. But that doesn't explain why we shouldn't have the seperates.

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>>46088202
+Oral Fixation

Would a person who has no opinions be accepted in Firewall or anywhere else?

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>>46089527
Plenty of places will accept opinionless skilled mercenaries. Hypercorps and extropians, among others, only care about dem credits.

>>46089578
And they'd be able to hire them for free, because they have no opinion about being paid for their work.

>>46075322
>be Jovian agent
>save Republic from x-threat
>receive message from commander saying that you've been buried with the highest honors
>"Unfortunately, your return would present an unacceptable risk to the Jovian Republic. You will be remembered as a hero"

>>46087064
Wouldn't stop me

>>46087472
Sound like a great candidate for eraser missions.

Depends on a lot of other factors.

>>46086155
Looks they scraped some art from the x-threats book in the threats section

>>46089954
>"I'm sorry. You're a hero. And you have to leave."

>>46087716
Um. Athletics and Physique are separate skills in Fate Core. They mostly just renamed Physique to 'Somatics' and let it cover some extra fields.

>>46089954
>totally not sending a killteam to eliminate you

>>46090515
Wouldn't it be too dangerous to allow the kill team to return?

>>46091267
>be Jovian killteam sergeant
>save Republic from x-threat of rogue agent
>receive message from commander saying that you've been buried with the highest honors
>"Unfortunately, your return would present an unacceptable risk to the Jovian Republic. You will be remembered as a hero."

>>46091389
In two weeks time, the Jovian republic was one man ceremonially burying every other citizen while they look on in confusion.

>>46091413
Someone then says "Hah! I was a neo-@ the entire time!"

It is also revealed that everyone in the Republic was a neo-A the entire time.

>>46091456
And then they team up to fight the robot menace. Right? Right?

>>46091485
No, it turns into a neo-A habitat pretty quick. Which means that suddenly there's a futa neotenic orgy o n every corner.

>>46091389
>"You saved us, but you'll kill us. I'm sorry. You're a hero... and you have to leave."

>>46091501
Ew, icky. Where's the nearest escape pod?

>>46091904
It's all neo-A's. All the way down.

>>46091389
>When you're burned, you've got nothing. No credits. No rep. No job history. You're stuck on whatever crappy hab they leave you on

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are there any faction or location creation tables? If not, we should make some

>>46090507
>FATE made a shitty design decision, therefore Eclipse FATE should too

If the corebook said you should pound a nail through your dick, would you defend that as well?

>>46091904
It might be hard to pick out the escape pod fulling of writhing neotenics in amongst the orgy of writhing neotenics, but trust me, Anon, the escape pod is in there somewhere. Take this slightly used scuba gear, it might be of some help.

>>46093510
It's...not actually a bad decision? There are good thematic and mechanical reasons to keep them seperate. Transhumanity's Fate isn't FAE, it supports making certain mechanical distinctions, like the difference between a very quick and athletic character and one who is strong and tough.

>>46093632
...Slightly used? Like, are there viruses on it?

>>46094244
Not by the strictest possible definition of the word "viruses", no.

>>46094565
Then thanks, but no thanks. I'll risk suffocation before risking catching that "eggs-surgery" thingamabob.

>>46094713
>not carrying a pack of antiseptic spray bottles with you at all times
>not spraying everything in sight
>not wearing a hazmat suit when on a mission
>not burning everything that can't be cleaned
It's like you want to be infected.

>>46093635
>>46088385

Superb (+5) Fellatio

>>46094713
>I'll risk suffocation

Pretty sure pleasure pods have oxygen reserves for precisely that reason ;^)

How do you deal with players who insist on trying to play 40K in EP (Jovians, wannabe-marines with big swords who do nothing but charge) and just won't stop spouting 40K memes, aside from kicking them out (they will find another group and ruin their game experience, so it'll be not one but two groups with a bad game)?

>>46096050
Talk to them. Show them media that more closely fits the tone of Eclipse Phase. Demonstrate to them how they are ruining the fun for everyone else.

Failing all of that, send them to the sanitarium and pay to remove the "40k Fanatic" quirk.

>>46096050
Shoot them

What do the other players think of this behavior?

>>46096050
Within the setting, make it a recognized subculture known for being followed entirely by autistic faggots.

>>46096142
Well, what kind of media? Sending them to read some William Gibson won't work, most likely.
I didn't unlock the sanitarium yet.

>>46096232
They don't care and make fun of his stupidity that almost always makes him end up dead (or fucked up in even worse ways), and then rescue him if needed. But that will get old very soon.

>>46096277
Well, does he read books, watch movies, or play video games?

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>>46092931
>world's greatest mom
this is how planetary consortium characters should be. they may be brutal, but for the most part each individual acts as they do to maintain a standard of living out of both want and obligation. the average PC resident is more relatable than the average resident of any other faction, though venus competes

>>46096277
>But that will get old very soon.
Excellent. Wait for that. If you move on your own then you'll be viewed as the asshole.

>>46096365
Not the LLA though?

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>>46096402
too shaken by the fall, though yeah, fit pretty well

>>46096344
As far as I know, it's all fantasy, 40K and shitty detective stories.

>>46096441
Perfect. Make him read Altered Carbon and its sequels.

>>46096265
>Within the setting, make it a recognized subculture known for being followed entirely by autistic faggots.

Note to self: add barge called the "Grimderp" into a Scum swarm. People sign up thinking it's going to be like 40k, only to discover it is like 40k, but they're at the very bottom of society on board the "Rogue Trader's Flagship".

When Firewall goes in for some reason or other, sentinels are shocked to discover that the people slaving away in the belly of the "flagship" are actually happy, and will defend to the death anyone who disparages their lifestyle choice.

>>46096638
I'm stealing that. It's so good I can't restrain myself from stealing.

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>>46096768

Beautiful

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>>46096896

Scum are fun if you're just crazy with it

>>46096972
I love how they like to claim scum aren't really as dangerous places as people think. Especially when almost every depiction of scum depicts them as people who view casual murder and violence towards annoying and/or low rep people as just part of the average day.

>>46097177

I think it depends on what you're doing. Scum are very wild west, I think. If you go in assuming it's like Luna or Mars, and there are space cops a push of a button away, somebody is gonna steal your shit or give you a bad day because nobody gives a fuck about you. But, if you're rolling with a crew, or you carry a big gun and know how to use it, people will be averse to fucking you up.

>>46097177
I love how everyone pretends that a category of people defined into existence without a unifying culture can be described as all being essentially the same.

>>46096441
If anime is an option, Ghost in the Shell: SAC works. Otherwise, Altered Carbon is basically a shitty detective story in EP. For more conventional movies...it helps to focus on genre. I find the Borne movies a good reference point because my games are very technothriller.

>>46097275
I read Altered Carbon, it's at least decent. What he reads is fanfiction-tier shitty. And half of that is actual fanfiction.

>>46097470
If he plays video games, Killer7 is a good one for getting the basic mindset.

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>>46083235
REMOVE SURYA

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>>46098194
>The players vie for control over a single flexbot, which changes configuration based on which ego is dominant

>>46098672
As if suryas are any worse than some of the hyperspecific pheromone bullshit

>>46099257
You mean the one that makes it easier for a single person to handle a specific person, or enhanced pheromones?

>>46089578
Or even, hell, opinionated mercenaries who meet the right criteria. If they're willing to take your money and they're not willing to backstab you, they're great candidates.

Doubly so if you can blame any misunderstandings on their philosophical differences, a la the Ultimates during the Fall.

>>46099287
I was thinking of BringIt in particular, but most of the pheromone stuff is bullshit. If it's not too specific it's excessively unspecific.

>>46099472
Fuck. I just realized how OP Drive and Klar are. For moderate cost, you can have a drug gland that increases an aspect by 5. That's usually expensive cost.

>>46099983

It's a temporary boost with certain stipulations, though. And if you're hitting it all the time you're gonna have to deal with Addiction effects.

>>46098787

>The SMITHS are a product of a Epislon level Async who's forks were given extensive psycho surgery to help combat and enemy Async who formed a terrorist cult.

Has anybody seen character sheets for Transhumanity's Fate out there? Or is it basically just modding the Fate Core sheets?

I was hoping for the book to have sheets for Morph stats etc.

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>>46100889
Go back and look through the playtest forum, there were a few older versions floating around there as part of the playtest kit

>>46100946
Got it, thanks!

>>46101122
Wanna post it here for the rest of the class?

Good digits

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>>46101267
There you go

Includes what I think are the latest versions of the character and server sheets

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>>46101512
>Server creation

This is a genuinely clever idea that I think the base game could benefit from.

>>46101512
>Your Cell's Vector

>Cell, not Server
>You're totally going to know who the vector is as a sentinel

>>46101703
It's in the game already, boss

>>46101776
It's in Firewall, there aren't any actual mechanics for it other than GM fiat though

>>46100146
Drive and Klar aren't addictive. You can have them running 24/7 with no side effects.

>>46101776
Hmmn, I wonder why they singled out Cell Vector and Router instead of going with Server

>>46101812
>NPCs that do things is GM fiat

>>46101831
They are addictive. They just don't have side-effects or long-term effects.

>>46101919
It literally is. Or do you roll on a random table or something to see how your NPCs behave?

>>46101920
>Everything the GM does that isn't rolling on a table is GM fiat

>>46101831

Nope. They don't have any long-term effects like abuse of physically addictive drugs, nor do they have a modifier +/- for the addiction roll, but in the chart it clearly says "Addiction Type: Mental", so yeah you need to roll those checks when you hit it. Only thing with an N/A in addiction type is Bananas Furiosas.

>>46101983
Meant >>46101942, not >>46101920

Too much whiskey

Still, by this definition GM fiat is such a broad term that it's utterly meaningless and in no way bad.

>>46102022
>implying DM Fiat is in any way bad

>>46102051
Fine, I'll stick with utterly meaningless then. We can just shorten GM fiat to GM.

>>46102022
GM Fiat isn't bad, it's the only way any tabletop game could possibly be playable. If you had mechanics for everything on the table you'd have either a video game or a miniature wargame (so 4E).

>>46102236
>b-but if it doesn't have a negative connotation it's totally meaningless!

Nope

>>46102906
GURPS with all of the rules

>>46102947
Doesn't work, some of them are mutually exclusive.

>>46102906
>Nope
Cool straw man bro.

If everything other than rolling on a table is GM fiat, nearly everything a GM does is fiat.

>>46103418
>s-straw man!

Nope, you said

>by this definition GM fiat is such a broad term that it's utterly meaningless and in no way bad.

and I characterized your position as

>if it doesn't have a negative connotation it's totally meaningless

Which have the same content.

The idea that players should have an active hand in making their server/cell really isn't in EP, and it's a pretty good idea.

You shouldn't roll for them, but bringing those elements to the front of the game, making them points of discussion and creation for the group is important.

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>>46080724
http://www.gwern.net/Colder%20Wars
>MAD will not work in outer space; pre-emptive strikes are nigh-guaranteed

What do you think /epg/, is he right? Who will strike first, the Consortium, Titanians or Jovians?

>>46103641
So you don't know what 'and' means. Got it.

>>46103769
So you've been BTFO. Got it.

>>46103665
Firewall isn't as much as a "we-got-your-back-call-us-any-time-sure-you-can-have-your-own-cell" organization as it is a tool for the GMs to make the players do what they have to do. If the players want to have any say in their server, they got to talk to their proxy handler. And if their proxy doesn't tell them to fuck off and do their job, everything that they think has to be heard must be said to their proxy. They a called "proxies" for a reason, after all.

>>46103679
Author discusses interstellar warfare. Several of his assumptions are not applicable to the setting.

>>46103849
>given A, B and C

>B and C don't necessarily go together!

Propositional logic is hard

>>46103679
The Consortium struck first already. Twice. And it was BTFO by the Titan.

Anyway, full-scale interplanetary wars in space without FTL are too damn expensive and difficult. It's easier to steal/destroy/otherwise subvert what you need with a small team of trained saboteurs.

>>46103921
>get BTFO
>damage control
>nobody buys it

Must be hard being you

>>46104003
>Say two things
>Opponent says he wasn't arguing one of those points, thereby defeating both points
>#rekt
>it's damage control
>Damage control to protect my anonymous identity

>>46104003
>>46104079
Could we just go back to talking about blowing up robots and going mad?

>>46104003
You're an idiot
>>46104079
Drop it

>>46104100
We sure can.

I saw something about a show called ULTIMATE KILLBOT CHALLENGE!!! filmed somewhere in the anarchist space, in some of the previous threads. Did anyone save that passage?

>>46104123
>s-stop bullying me ;_;

Nice try, kiddo, but you aren't fooling anyone

>>46104171
>ULTIMATE KILLBOT CHALLENGE!!!
I'm the guy who wrote it as a spitball, so I'll do my best to rewrite it in case no one finds it. Once every six months, in a secret, heavily-reinforced beehive habitat in the Main Belt, the ULTIMATE KILLBOT CHALLENGE!!! is held. Anyone can enter, but the rules are simple.
1. The killbot you enter into the challenge has to be designed by you or your group. You also need to supply the ego that will run it. Rumors that certain Firewall servers use the Challenge to design, show off, and acquire shells and egos for erasure squads will be flatly denied. Note that there's heavy competition both to design the most deadly shell and put the most insane, murderous ego inside it.
2. All bots are released into the habitat at the same time. No instructions from outside handlers are permitted. Live video is recorded from the habitat mesh and released to anyone who pays the subscription fee, after editing for length and usability.
3. After the Rajput incident, masked synths are not permitted.
4. Last bot standing wins.
5. If no one managed to put a hole in the hab during the course of the Challenge, the audience will be very disappointed. Fortunately, this is only rarely a problem.
Common sources for competitors include Direct Action, Scum, Extropians, and various other groups from across the solar system.

>>46104408
Thanks, that's great. I'm using it in my campaign, except this thing will be set in the Rings.

>>46104505
It's in the belt so that everyone can participate. It sounds like it's Extropian, at least on the outside. The fact that you have participants from both the PC and the AA is telling.

>>46104617
Well, I think the Belt is too much of a trade-route-crossroads thing - there's too many ways to breach the secrecy, even by accident.

>>46104684
Do you know how big the Belt is?

>>46104708
What, are you trying to insult me? To tell me how to run my game in my variation of setting? Are you?

>>46104617
>>46104505
The actual physical location doesn't matter -too- much, since the intent behind the secrecy is mostly to keep anyone from interfering with the show and to add mystique. The participant shells can be delivered or nanofabbed on-site, and the egos can be egocasted, naturally. The important questions, plotwise, are 'Who is really running the place and why', 'Oh shit, we're in cases in the middle of the Challenge, how and why did this happen', and similar issues.
>>46104708
>>46104750
Hey, you two, relax, no need to fight over this.

>>46104750
I'm telling you you're a moron who doesn't understand how big the Belt is.

>>46101942
Does anyone actually use the term that way?

>>46104908
Yes, it's a common way to describe how a lot of early roleplaying games like Basic and OD&D handled things that weren't in the rules (which was almost everything)

>>46105028
Even for the most basic NPC interactions?

>>46105028
>Yes, it's a common way to describe how a lot of early roleplaying games like Basic and OD&D handled things that weren't in the rules (which was almost everything)
And back in those days, DM fiat was seen as a good thing, since it kept the game moving and functional, let you do neat things that weren't within the rules, and generally were less lethal than the actual rules, unless you were playing under Psycho Dave, in which case you had bigger problems anyway.
>>46105072
Would you believe 2e and OD&D had basically zero rules for social interaction beyond basic guidelines for disposition and such?

>>46105072
Generally the most you'd get was a table with general first impressions on it.

>>46105107
>Would you believe 2e and OD&D had basically zero rules for social interaction beyond basic guidelines for disposition and such?

Yeah, I've been in this hobby for quite a while and prefer my games that way. I've also never heard the term GM fiat used to describe basic NPC actions that any character would be able to do.

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Girls, girls, you're both pretty

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>>46103933
IIRC the Consortium tried using traditional warships and mercenary forces and were rebuffed by the same (the combined forces of Anarchs, Jovians, and Titanians were simply larger). The link is talking about accelerating large bodies with technology that is within all the major powers in Eclipse Phase. Just stick some fusion engines on some asteroids and let them rip. Apply soot for low albedo and they become much harder to detect.

This also shows that as written the TITANS had no interest in actually wiping out humanity as it would have been trivial for them to use the gates to hop on over to Eris and then start accelerating large bodies back towards the inner system.

>>46105918
I also really hate how there are the TITANS (AI Cthulhu) and Titanians (Space Euros). Keep your names distinct god damnit.

>>46105959
I'm sure they came up with TITANS during the very earliest conceptualization stages, and only realized much later that there is a large and extremely relevant celestial body in our system with the same name.

>>46105918
Basically, the PC wanted to take and keep Locus using conventional warfare and the anarchists weren't reduced to needing to stoop to 'blow it all up with bombs and disassemblers and suicide forks'. And yes, it's been argued fairly successfully that it'd be easier and cheaper to just blow up every anarchist hab rather than try to take any of them. The PC would rather not deal with the press that involves, though. At least for now.

>>46105984
At least give the Titanians a different name then. The Saturn Alliance or some bullshit Scandi name would do.

>>46105918
Except that if you try that in the same system people will see you doing it and will have lots of time to stop you

>>46106126
>or some bullshit Scandi name would do.
So the Hürdïgürdïsätürnüsbörkallïans?

>>46105959
And don't get me started on people from Titan vs people from Titania

>>46106253

You mean the Titaniaians?

>>46106205
With everyone building new habitats all the time and moving asteroids closer to the inner system for mining and the like you can disguise your movements with even the barest subterfuge.

>>46106313
You really can't. You would need preposterously high thrust for a last-second diversion.

>>46106368
You don't do a last-second diversion. You just have nonfunctional retrograde propulsion on the front. This will totally cut on to slow it down for mining, really!

This is if you even care about misleading them. You can just have automated drones keep flying around and building more engines on more asteroids and just keep sending them at the target.

>>46106464
This will work great if your target is run by elementary schoolers with learning disabilities.

Here in the real world trajectories that will intersect important things in the event of a propulsion failure aren't done, and doing them will be considered an act of war.

>You can just have automated drones keep flying around and building more engines on more asteroids and just keep sending them at the target.

And your opponent can just keep scrapping them in the tremendously long acceleration phase.

You'll also need to worry about whether they have their own asteroids set up to hit you. Even if they can't stop you, MAD is still a threat as long as they can see what you're doing.

>>46106253
>>46106308
We should call people from Titan "Titanese".

>>46106852
I like the confusion. Keeps players on their toes.

"What do you mean we're on the wrong fucking moon?"

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I fucking hate these threads.

>I like Eclipse Phase, but I reject its basic premise and find its narrative offensive

fucking cancer.

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>>46107110
I fucking hate these posts

>I'm a redditor, but I browse 4chan and complain about its board culture

fucking cancer

Riddle me this, /epg/. Doing the math on the bot ramming rules, a basic Saucer impact at top speed does (1d10+2)x20 damage to whatever it hits, or an average DV of roughly 150, minus armor, for the cost of [Low] per bot. I feel like I should reread the rules, because now I can't help but imagine this is too OP to be real, even counting the 1d10 Stress per drone death (Which can be shoved off onto a suicide fork). Am I missing anything?

>>46107863
Where are these rules?

>>46107110
Art: Shitposting 80

>>46107863
That's actually correct. The bot won't survive this, though, and thus it's safe to assume that the bot (with an engine and fuel reservoir) will most likely explode violently, so high DV.

>>46107863
You have to gain so much speed first and then not miss the target, which will most likely actively dodge.

>>46107892
Saucer is pg. 346, EP core, ramming rules are 196, same book.

>>46107863
>too OP
You have to get rid of this D&D mentality. There are numerous ways to counter everything. Except antimatter. Nothing survives antimatter. The only way to counter it is not release it.

>>46107863
Can you please describe a combat situation where the bot will accelerate to full speed without obstructions and hit the target, and why would it be different from the situation where the target is simply destroyed by weapons or explosives?

Shortly: why is that OP?

>>46107110
Maybe if this was in response to Jove wank I would accept it. But without a post to respond to this is top tier shitposting. Fuck off and let us enjoy that /epg/ has managed to survive for a bit

>>46108162
Plus Titans can arguably break the laws of physics so "balance" is kind of a retarded concept. Do people complain about balance in call of Cthulhu?

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>>46109925

>>46109925
>>46110040
These pics remind me; how do you do fashion in Eclipse Phase? What sort of stuff does the everyday person in any given habitat wear?

In a game I ran a while ago, I wanted to show how fashion trends can shift quite suddenly (and hint at how useful manipulating trends could be), given access to smart clothing, but kept stumbling a little on the descriptions of them.

>>46105918
>Anarch
Anarchs are subhumans and deserve nothing short than being destroyed.

>>46110930
The big rage now in the outer system is procedurally generated clothing. It's impractical, asymmetrical, and looks like shit.

In the inner system people are incorporating live animals into their clothing.

>>46081697

Is there somewhere I can download this? Looks really cool.

>>46112207
https://www.google.com/search?q=prophet+comic+torrent&oq=prophet+comic+torrent

>>46092560
>And then Firewall found me. It wasn't the first time we met, but it was the first time we exchanged something besides ammunition.
>I don't like them and I don't trust them, but they're not the enemy. I've seen the things they're fighting.

Neofish

The genetics of the Neofish derive mostly from elephantfish (mormyrid) stock, with notable inclusions from lungfish and salmon to allow limiter airbreathing and life in both fresh and salt water. The elephantfish was selected for its very high encephalization quotient, acute sense of smell, and electrosensory system. These senses fill a notable gap in those of cetaceans, making the neofish valuable in some niche applications. They also have impressively large brain cavities, which many egos find advantageous.

Neofish are totally incapable of speech without additional augmentation.

The elephant fish proboscis has had some dexterity added, allowing the operation of certain devices, but is not suitable for gripping objects.

Implants: basic biomods, basic mesh inserts, cortical stack, enhanced smell, swim bladder, electrical sense (bioware), direction sense, eelware, gills, lateral line
Movement: Swim 12/32
Aptitude Maximum: 25 (30 COG and INT)
Durability: 30
Wound Threshold: 6
Advantages: +5 COG, +10 INT, +5 to one aptitude of player's choice, +30 swimming skill, +20 bonus on saves against shock attacks
Disadvantages: -10 on vision-based tests
Traits: lacks manipulators, non-mammalian biochemistry
CP Cost: 30
Credit Cost: Expensive (~30,000)

>>46112541
This is actually a pretty compelling backstory

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>>46092560
>You do whatever work comes your way. You rely on anyone who's still talking to you.

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>>46113692
>A trigger-happy ex-girlfriend.

>>46113692
>A trigger happy exhuman...
>SHALL WE VAPORISE THEM?!

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>>46113706
>An old friend who used to inform on you to Oversight.

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>>46113740
>Family too...if you're desperate.

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>>46113768
>Bottom line, as long as you're burned...you're not going anywhere.

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>>46110930

Depends on the place and time. Writing for stuff I've done a little research into clothing styles, same as architectural styles and so on.

When I think about that stuff, it kind of depends on the influences on that particular hab.

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>>46114658

>>46114658
>>46110930
>>46112120
When you can have a new wardrobe daily for little cost, fashion should be extremely diverse and dynamic.

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>>46116100

>>46116423
And what if you can't?

>>46116423
>"I only wear 100% organic alpaca wool sweaters and sweatpants with real spider silk underwear, none of it fabbed, all hand made by local artisans. If you wear fabber made clothes or smartclothes, you're a poorfag."

>>46117196
Literally everyone who wears clothes should have a smartfabric light vacsuit for [Moderate] and wear it regularly. If you can't afford one, you should probably just embrace your inner peasant and go around in a barrel carrying a lantern. Because that vacsuit will become whatever clothes you want and will probably save your life in case of toxic atmosphere or hull breach.

>>46117339

You know a [Moderate] cost is actually like, a monthly living expense cost for quite a lot of people, right?

>>46117339
One can't really afford everything when all of their earnings are being used to reinstate their family and friends.

>>46117457
They're self-cleaning. You only need one.

>>46117457
So is clothing in modern times, if you want decent things. It's not like you change your wardrobe completely every week.

>>46117196
Then you're probably a robot and shouldn't bother with clothes at all.

>>46117457
Yes, but you only need the one suit, it's not that bad.

>>46117339
>Literally everyone who wears clothes
What if my ugly, old ass has vacuum sealing and an oxygen reserve and I decide that the future means clothing is obsolete? What happens then?

>>46117575
I am not a robot! I am a free man!

>>46117698
You get arrested for public nudity. Or your rep tanks (or your rep skyrockets, depending on morph I suppose).

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>>46092560
You. I like you, Anon.

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>>46120780
>Uranus
>fissure gate

>tfw missions to earth
Just kill me now and save me the pain

>>46121236

This is Eclipse Phase. Not even the dead shall know peace from this evil.

>>46121254

At least if Im dead and resleeving on Mars, Im not down on Earth getting raped by mechanical war machines.

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>>46121297

No, you can get raped by mechanical war machines on Mars instead.

>>46121297
But you could be down on Earth getting raped by mechanical war machines while an impostor is dead and resleeving on Mars. You'll never know until you get forked.

>>46121409
You literally never know, even when you are forked. Maybe you are being raped by mechanical war machines on Earth right now, when you just resleeved on Mars. Maybe you are beng raped by mechanical war machines on Mars, die there and get resleeved on Earth. Maybe it's all at once. Are you sure your memories weren't edited? Are you sure your continuity is real? Are you sure this whole thing isn't just a simulspace?

The future is truly terrifying.

>>46105918
>Apply soot for low albedo and they become much harder to detect.

Of all the wrong things said in this general, this might very well be the wrongest. Anyone with enhanced vision would be able to see the fusion engines ignite from anywhere in the solar system. Applying soot to the asteroids is like trying to put camouflage paint on an exploding bomb.

Assuming EP optics are as good as the rest of the stuff they have, those asteroids aren't even a huge threat; they can be deflected by laser fire, while habs in the target zone make evasive action.

>>46106313
Typically those aren't going to be pointed at habs, and with your 3 month long injection burns to put them in a remotely threatening orbit there's plenty of time take countermeasures.

>>46121640
And then there's Legba

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>>46121775

First rule of Nine Lives: You do not talk about Nine Lives.

Speaking of edited memories, how do you use them in a fun but not too obstructing way?

I, for one, make references to things that "happened" (they didn't) during actual game time in place where the PCs were, or even things they "did" (they did not).

Or vice versa, when they reference some thing that happened in the past, I say "what thing? It never happened."

Or even use this stuff to confuse the fuck out of them, like when they try to use an object present in the room which I included in my description, the object isn't there.

Or the time suddenly shifts some hours forward.

Keeps them on their toes all the time, as long as I don't say "you don't remember", it seems to kill the whole point.

>>46122113
Don't be a dick about realistically, if it happens it will happen in a situation where the characters realize it may have happened. Infomorph may be an exception, but even then there should be time loss.

>>46121929
I love his facial expression.
>"Is the soul rending shriek of existential pain and terror *really* necessary? I'm standing right here."

>>46122171
I may have oversimplified the whole thing, but yes, the characters will have all the means to realize that it happened (or didn't), and their memories were tampered with. But the surprise and the following paranoia about memory integrity makes a very nice addition to the mood, I think.

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>>46121775
>just left legba
>now going to earth
Gm hates us

>>46123739
Is Legba still intact?

>>46123859
...Mostly.
I mean, as much as it usuall is at least.

My party just landed on Earth.

We rode an iceteroid down to the surface past the attack satellites and then detached and dodged their fire, and then the entire passed out at the last second and we survived the crash with minimal wounds.

Everyone forgot gocycles and we got a thousand miles to cover.

>>46123230
>not Titanian science waifu

>>46124161
You're fucked. If you have no means of transportation, you are absolutely fucked, might as well put a plasma gun in your mouth and pull the trigger, it'll spare you the suffering.

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>>46124311

Hey, hey. I was here when we started that meme. I just don't usually name my filenames meme things, because that's not usually as helpful or descriptive.

>>46124161

Well, I hope you either don't need to eat or brought survival rations, otherwise you don't need to bother with the walk.

And let me tell you, there's no foraging on Earth.

Why are you so far from your target site anyway?

How can one discern an uplift from an ordinary human, given that both are sleeved in the same morph model and you can't check their memories in any way?

>>46124675
Uplifts act funny.

>>46124675
mannerisms, the uplift might be less comfortable in a humaniform body

they also might advertise that they are an uplift on their mesh profiles. If they're trying to hide it, a brainprint scan will reveal it.

>>46124675

Kinesics

>>46124714
>>46124816
Already tried that, didn't work.

>>46124741
We don't have the equipment for a brainprint scan, and time is critical. And yes, they do try to hide everything about their uplift status.

Maybe there is some kind of question that only proper human can answer correctly?

>>46124571
>>46124637
Well like I said passed out in the entry at last second, and who knows.

We got 30 MRE each and 3/4 of us are in Theseus morphs. Right after crash landing from the meteor we were onset by 2 spy drones and armored anti-infantry vehicles in search and destroy patrols towards where it spotted us.

We lost them by 6 back to back rolls of running around dunes escaping line of sight until they got confused and we ran the fuck off. This was 6 turns of a person infiltrating to the top of a dune, navigation rolling us around the dunes to a more stealthy path out of line of sight, and then all of the party making freerunning rolls. And we did this with only two moxy, and one guy completely out of his moxy from piloting us to the surface.

The current plan is to find a vehicle. I don't know how we're still alive, we almost died 9 times on the way down to the surface and escaping the drones. But we always rolled a crit success on the "save or die" roll that came up.

>>46124926

Get a behavioral/psych analysis AI/software. Throw them in a simulspace server and dial up time acceleration as high as that baby will go.

BTW, a properly made Kinesics check can totally ID an uplift just from mannerisms, so if you failed that skill check on something mission important that is your own problem.

>>46124987
Oh and to add to this most the party's free running is 36. Only two of us had played this system before and the rest didn't provide any suggestions on what kind of things are useful to invest points in besides "GUNS AND FRAY"

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>>46124926
>Maybe there is some kind of question that only proper human can answer correctly?

>>46124675
Be extremely offensive to uplifts. Try to make it snap in anger.

>>46125050
There's a 8-page-long chapter in Transhuman - a de facto player's guide - on how to generate a good character. Didn't you read it?

>>46125316
I never saw that, I mostly started at page 1 and was reading through the universe lore and didn't get through the whole book before game day showed up and sat around with everyone else working on the characters with the same methods they wanted to use for chargen.

>>46125361
Well, read it now. You're going to die pretty soon, so get some skillsofts when you resleeve.

>>46125413
>so get some skillsofts when you resleeve.
I already did, that's why I was somehow able to pass my freerunning checks and we all didn't die.

>>46125447
Well, get some more. And I'd recommend using the space elevator next time you need to get to Earth. Pack up some portable planes (if you are going to Earth, you can very well get some for its conditions), and fly where you need. They are rather costly, but worth it.

And can you please elaborate what the fuck you needed on Earth?

>>46125447
That said thanks I will check out that guide though I only have one or two sessions left in this campaign before the GM likes to switch out systems every game.

>>46125602
Why don't you try GMing it yourself? It's fun to GM this - the average person is at least as smart as any modern person, and have roughly the same capabilities as a PC, and death is temporary, so you can go all out and don't pull any punches like you would in D&D.

>>46125569
>And I'd recommend using the space elevator next time you need to get to Earth.
We almost did but the DM made it sound like the elevator was going to be a bad time. It was the 'medium risk' option because records showed potentially lot of shit at the base of the elevator.

>And can you please elaborate what the fuck you needed on Earth?

None of us are even completely sure. We had some organization trying to brain wash people to their cause, and made everyone want to go to earth. We went to one of the facilities, which was then some super psyker that we couldn't kill and wanted to blow up the blockade on Earth. Firewall then contacts us and says "okay you're going to Earth." And some vague shit about there being a facility planetside they want us to investigate related to this. We had the option to say no, but then that would have just been campaign over and none of us know what the fuck is going on.

>>46125803
I prefer to play myself, but maybe sometime in the future. For the immediate time GM wants to run a 40k game next which I am quite interested in giving a try just because I do enjoy 40k even if the system may or may not be as good as EP.

>>46125855
You don't get to the base. You get off in the upper atmosphere and glide on planes wherever you need.

I'm pretty sure you are dealing with exsurgents. And if you do, going in without good intelligence which you should have, you're Firewall, and a plan is signing your own death warrant.

>>46125916
40K RPGs are pretty much the same level with EP - it's a matter of taste. Caster supremacy is still a thing.

>>46125855
Reread the handout, we're heading down to find out what the fuck nefarious things they had plotted to try and leave earth, if we hadn't stopped them breaking the cordon. We gotta find out what they have there so we can be better prepared to stop it ever happening again. Then far cast out and hit the area with rods from god

>>46126016
We are very much dealing with exsurgents

>>46124161
>Everyone forgot gocycles and we got a thousand miles to cover.

That's the kind of thing the GM should just let you moxie. It's realistically something your characters would have remembered and nobody wants the campaign to take ten times as long to get anywhere interesting because you had to travel on foot

>>46126016
>You don't get to the base. You get off in the upper atmosphere and glide on planes wherever you need.
I see, we'll maybe give that a try next if/when it comes to it.

Yeah they are exsurgents. There's just not much intel available and lots of bad decisions, a few good ones, and a lot of luck.
At the end of the session the GM said god himself had to be intent on keeping us alive because of how many times he thought it was finally going to be the roll that killed us.

Party of the reason for my problems is I'm the party's hacker and so I didn't really think I'd be on the front line as much as this.

>>46126016
I see, I still couldn't make up my mind on what to play for that campaign when it comes. That Psyker "YOU DIED" roll was a little worrying but I noticed you can negate it to some degree but there's only so many other options to play as.

>>46126349
>I'm the party's hacker
Oh, then you absolutely must read Transhuman. Its section on hacking tips is great.

>>46126469
Awesome will do. Though there will probably be little hacking left in the game, I will give it a read just in case there is.

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>>46129822
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