Pathfinder General /pfg/ Why aren't you a paladin, fri

Well, the OP art is actually good for once, props for that.

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>>46033445
Who says I'm not a paladin? I follow Shelyn and make sure to spread my love to everyone!

>>46033445

I am one, though. Chosen One of Erastil, specifically.

>>46033445
But I AM a Paladin.

Well, technically I'm a Knight Disciple.

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I want to marry a warforged.

>>46033445
Because noble knights that command the forces of hell for the sake of humanity can't be paladins.

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So /pfg/, is there any way for a Tiefling character to acquire the Devil subtype in addition to their Outsider (Native) subtype, for the purposes of a character getting access to the pic related feat? Or for any non-devil character to get it? 1PP primary, 3PP if 1PP fails at doing so?

It seems like the ability to create your own contracts could be pretty good, but you'd need the subtype first and I have no idea how to go about doing that.

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>>46033445
Because I play with a party of assholes, that's why.

>>46033589
Actually, in a former campaign in the cosmology I'm in, a paladin was stuck in the Abyss and needed to get out to help.

His particular vows and focus was on combating the Infernal Legions, so when a demon approached him and offered to send him home in exchange for helping her in one battle against devils, he agreed.

Later she came for him, and he kept his word. Unfortunately, that one battle turned out to be the unending Blood War, and he's still fighting to this day.

>>46033635
If 3.5 counts as 3PP then Savage Species allows you to use a ritual of wish to become another creature, and even possibly get access to their abilities.

>>46033665
>Combatting the forces of hell
>Not serving your infernal masters to destroy demons and become Doom Guy

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>>46033445
>Why aren't you a paladin, friend?
'cause I'm the bad guy.

>>46033445
Sadly, CE alignment isn't compatible with being a paladin.

Are there any female gods that have some monstrous features but arent like lamashtu in looks?

>>46033445

Because LG-ness is unnatural and every DM will try to make you fall

Is there any way in pathfinder to be in two different style stances at once?

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>>46033746
Empyreal Lord Irez?

Demigoddess, not goddess, but perfectly worship-able.

>>46033790
Master of Many Styles Monk? Don't actually do this, though

>>46033790
Master of Many Styles

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Regarding the Missile Shield feat
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/missile-shield-combat

" Once per round when you would normally be hit with an attack from a ranged weapon (not including spell effects, natural attacks, or massive ranged weapons), you may deflect it so that you take no damage[...]"

The way I read it, it seems you could deflect an Alchemist's bomb, though you'd still take the splash damage. Am I correct?

>>46033790
Master of many styles.

>>46033812
Yeah, they roll the 1d8 and if your still in the splash radius, you take the splash damage.

>>46033804
>>46033808
Damn

The whole reason I wanted to do that was to have jabbing style and pummeling style up at the same time

>>46033635
Be Unchained Summoner and make your eidolon a Devil.

>>46033773
>every dm
have you tried not playing with only the shit ones?

How does HiPS work? Like stealth in 2e-3e CRPGs? Can I move after using it? If so, do I need to stay within 10ft of shadows when moving?

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Y'know, last thread I said it was mostly a joke, but now I'm kind of curious. If a synthesist summoner wanted to have his quadruped form use a weapon without taking extra arms, would you allow it? I can only assume that, if used as pic-related, it wouldn't get any of the benefits of a 2-h weapon, and makes them unable to use their bite. Maybe use an evolution point to enable it, since they would have to spend it on arms anyway?

I'm running under the assumption that this is purely for style and not for cheesing more power out of the synthesist

>>46033445
Because I'm sick of your meta bullshit that no one calls you on, paladin.

>>46033881

The good ones ESPECIALLY try to make you fall. Only thing that differs is how elaborate a plot they make

>>46033946
There's a difference between trying to make you fall and offering the temptation of falling

A good DM will lay the bait for you to fall, but will expect you to resist temptation, like a proper paladin

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Would someone be willing to build me a level 1 beast-bonded witch for PFS? I'm gunna get power fueled to level 10 if I can survive till level 3

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>>46033499
>>46033507
>>46033520
Brothers and sisters of the light.

>>46033940
>>46033773
>>46033736
>>46033716
>>46033654
>>46033589
Future converts. You'll see the light.

>>46033834
Sweeeeeet.

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>>46033998
no i would love to play a paladin, i just can't with the retarded CN shits I play with, or else i get called out for being " That Contrarian Asshole."

>>46033445
This is how I paladin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MV8sdKT6bY

>Power Attack
>Radiant Charge
>Spirited Charge
>Vital Strike
>Divine Fighting Technique (Greatsword Battler)
>Martial Charge
>Mythic Power Attack
>Mythic Vital Strike
>Improved Called Shot
>Greater Called Shot
>Dualboost (Momentum Crush, Momentum Crash)

I'm pretty sure if it has a heart, this can destroy it.

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>>46034028
For the record, brother/sister, when I said 'you'll see the light' meant for you that in time you'll find a group that'll accommodate you.

>>46033946

What >>46033991 said, but not only that: you yourself should be laying the temptation to fall as a Paladin. A part of the fun of the RP is to find situations and overcome them, especially if working with the DM to get a good story.

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>>46034227
Agreed, temptation exists, and your character is still a flawed human being.

This doesn't mean every plotline involving a paladin has to be centered around falling, nor that every GM should be shoving it in your face or trying to force you to.

>>46034274
A good Falling story is never unwelcome, but yeah, I'd love to see some stories about Paladins upholding justice WITHOUT everything being a trap! Except maybe the Paladin.

>>46034610
Well if it helps, I still don't know whether the paladin in OP's image is male or female

>>46034637
I'm 99% sure that's Jeanne D'Arc

>>46034658
Wasn't she a brunette?

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>>46033445
>Why aren't you a paladin, friend?
Because I'm too busy being cool. PIGLETPUNT!!!

>>46034687
Anon, antipaladins are too "edgy" to be cool.

>>46034095
my mistake , Brother / Sister, i haven't been sleeping well.

>>46033996
>PFS
REEEEEE

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>>46034816
In that case, enjoy your fall! HAHAHA!!!

>>46034816
tbqh for every Chaotic Randumb 3Edgy5U character out there, there's probably a Lawful Stupid character who wants to rip off the heads of any child that detects as evil.

>>46034994
So what you're trying to say is that no alignment is implicitly better or worse, just some are harder to RP well than others? I don't think we can stand for that kind of opposition to the groupthink here on /pfg/, anon.

Planning on playing a Puppetmaster Magus

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/magus/archetypes/paizo---magus-archetypes/puppetmaster-magus

Any tips and tricks or hints how to build a good one?

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>>46034816
it would be really fun in an evil way just to turn off you mind and either playing an Anti-plaladin of Rovagug or Urgathoa.
that or an evil druid of Urgathoa

>>46033445
I'm trying but that code is killing me. how do you deal with it? Bluff is my favorite skill.

I asked this in previous thread but it didn't get answered.

So, can a brawler pick twf defense without picking twf feat previously? is brawler's flurry enough to meet the requirements?

>>46035120
>Get Gods of Golarion.
seriously, they give personal codes for every god that can be a paladin.
but if you're just talking about the code in general. then your SOL.
play a warpriest

>>46035107
I've wanted to make an Urgathoan character for a while now, but any time I try to take her into a campaign the game falls apart right before we get started.

>>46033445

But I'm Anon, Paladin/Sorcerer/Eldritch Knight

>>46035122
I'd say no. Having the feat only in a situational circumstance isn't enough to meet the pre-reqs for a feat.

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>>46033920
Yeah, I'd be cool with someone spending an evolution point on 'can use mouth weapon' instead of 'has arms'.

Hell, I might even let them wield it telekinetically, like Amaterasu, since it still doesn't beat having, y'know, hands.

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>>46035190
That's still a paladin! Also I still want to play a paladin / sorcerer / spell sword / abjurant champion

>>46035149
Thanks. Any advice on feats and such? I'm going for a two handed weapon paladin

>>46035218
I definitely wouldn't want to give them iteratives on a mouth wielded weapon, though.

>>46033445
Because my paladin had his Good End, and I've laid the class to rest. I'm not ripping him out of retirement, and a new Paladin would tarnish the memory somehow, if that makes sense.

>>46035234
Fucking degenerates need to be purged.

>>46033445
But I AM a paladin, brother.

>>46035234
>>46035283
>le cute animu in booty shorts armor and permed hair
And it can't happen soon enough.

Talking 'bout paladins:

BESTOW GRACE
"With this spell you can bestow your divine grace on another good creature for a short amount of time, infusing that creature with a portion of your holy virtue. When you touch the subject, you grant that creature a sacred bonus to its saving throws equal to its Charisma bonus (if any) on all saving throws."

DIVINE GRACE
"At 2nd level, a paladin gains a bonus equal to her Charisma bonus (if any) on all Saving Throws."

Since the Divine Grace bonus is untyped, what's stopping two paladins from buffing one another with Bestow Grace for extra invulnerability?

>>46035149
Do you mean Inner Sea Gods? Because I can't find a book called Gods of Golarion on Paizo's site.

>>46035270
Personally, I don't see the harm in it, since there's already a definite cap on the number of attacks an Eidolon can make in a round. I'm probably missing something that makes it dangerously cheesy though, since I'm not super good at summoner.

>>46035347
>Since the Divine Grace bonus is untyped, what's stopping two paladins from buffing one another with Bestow Grace for extra invulnerability?
A reasonable GM with more than half a brain.

Is there a "good" way to build a non-archer paladin ? The lack of pounce/reliable full attacks just seems to be too crippling. Cornugon Smash gets you a speudo-pounce against things you can intimidate, but its a bit too little too late.

>>46035359
yes that one. sorry about that.

>>46035406
Thanks for the clarification, grabbing from trove now.

>>46035389
>a stupid GM who doesn't want martials to have nice things

FTFY.

>>46035391
>Buildposter doesn't know anything about building characters
Why am I not surprised?

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>>46035251
power attack is always a good one, you lose a point of attack, however you get a +2 to damage.
Weapon focus is good, but only if you want to use one weapon type and one weapon.

>>46035391
>Buildposter can't figure out how to make one of the absolute best T4 classes good
I can't say I'm surprised.

Buildposter, a Paladin doesn't NEED to full attack. Between their small but useful collection of spells and their Smite ability, a Paladin does as much damage with a single attack as they need to do. A weapon that can change what benefits it obtains between fights and several decent archetypes (such as Chosen One) mean that it's actually really hard to drop a Paladin as well as allowing it to hit powerfully.


Is it just me, everyone, or does Buildposter simply not know how to do ANYTHING that isn't "me am full-attack with ranged options"? Archer Paladin, Archer Fighter, Kineticist, etc... and he's shown absolute idiocy when it comes to things that are easy to build like Paladins, Bards, Rangers, Slayers, etc... going so far as to call the classes "ill-designed" just because he doesn't know how to build them, despite their simplicity and straightforwardness.

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>>46035459
I'm Paizo and I don't see any difference between the two versions of that sentence. Also now, every time you use the full attack action, every second attack is directed at your own genitalia.

>>46035391
As another paladin anon, I too would like to know how to give a pounce-like ability to my character.

>>46035545
>>46035479
Here are your (you)s.

>>46035545
Sometimes I wonder if Buildposter is just Touhou's latest incarnation. He DID show up again as soon as we chased Touhou off, and he's equally as annoying.

>>46035391
>Paladin
>Cornugon Smash

You're a Paladin. Why are you using feats named after devils?

>>46035610
Touhoufag is just autistic, not stupid.

>>46035610
This is /pfg/, anon, don't you know that we're all the same person? We are the very best example of the reason why nobody should allow characters with MPD at their tables.

>>46035631
>tfw I'm a Paladin of Asmodeus

>>46035610
Except they both show up at the same time, and Buildposter doesn't talk in nearly as precise or specific a way as 2hu. And more importantly, 2hu's sometimes right; Buildposter never is.

>>46035610
Sometimes I wonder why you are so obsessed with 2hufag. You want to fuck him or what?

>>46035545
>Bards, Rangers, Slayers,
>totally easy to build guys!
>prove it
>[complete lack of build posting]
The more people say they are easy to build, and the less people actually post builds of them, the less I think it's true.

also: my standards for a "good" build are probably a bit higher than yours, hense why most of my "good" builds can solo anything that the party should ever face.

And about the paladin. So basically just charge + one melee attack doing ~40 damage at level 12 is plenty in your mind? huh.

>>46035740
>never right
We all know you got triggered when I told you over the kinetistist. You can just stop talking about it now. I never bring it up except when provoked anymore.

>>46035821
Go choke on a dick.

>>46035774
Life is just easier when you have a boogieman to blame all your problems are. Sometimes it's easier to deceive yourself into thinking every bad post is 2hufag than to realize that we have so many shitposters here in /pfg/.

>>46035799
>>46035821
There is only one, maybe two people who keep talking to you about that shit. You can easily identify them with the blatant ad-hominem bait they post every time you ask a question. Stop talking to them. It just shits up the thread.

>>46035845
You first. At least he posts content.

>>46035867
Is this why people hate BP?

>>46035867
Yeah I get that but 2hufag isn't even the worst shitposter. Hell he makes good points sometimes.
He is just super autistic.

>>46035883
No, BP is just really insufferable.

>>46035799
We don't post builds because they're NOT REQUIRED A build is just that, a single example that only works in a vacuum without any other context, something that DOESN'T EXIST in actual play. Of course, you wouldn't know that since you don't actually play, so you believe that your "build posting" is actually important or matters in any amount. Why yes, people don't want to give you the smug satisfaction of "showing your higher standards and knowledge", because you're a cock that has their own smug head right up their own smug ass.
And as for >>46035821, you seem to think that it's one person getting "triggered" over being "told". Do you realize how small-minded and self-satisfying and punchable you sound when you say these things? Do you consider the fact that, maybe, a single build isn't enough to make the Kineticist good, and that it's not something to be up-in-arms about defending and claiming everyone who calls you (rightfully so!) an idiot is "triggered at being told"?

Damn right I'm mad. And damn right I think you should fuck right off back to the Paizo forums, or GitP, or wherever else you spawned from.

>>46035920
>No, BP is just really insufferable.
If you go though the last ten or so threads, he doesn't start much shit at all. He hardly posts. Why the hateboner?

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>>46035270
>>46035371
Really, either way works just as well, though if I recall, natural attacks are normally made at -5 when combined with a regular weapon during a full attack. It's all about style though. The character I have stored that could pull this off is already an Agathian-Blooded Aasimir with an eidolon form that turns him into a giant, winged celestial wolf. If I can come this far without cringing at myself then I need to keep going until I do, effectiveness and mechanics be damned.

I wish there was an archetype that actually gave up the summonin SLAs for something.

>>46035883
No people hate BP because most of his builds are shit.

>>46035920
>He is just super autistic.
And that makes him really memorable and an easy target to be smeared as the face of all shitposters.

>>46035971
See >>46035948

>>46035821
Your kineticist design was weak shit that is still only about as good at dishing out damage as an archer warrior. Stop trying to shill a class that was made to suck.

>>46035580
You're not paizo, you forgot to said that the punch in your own nuts was RAI since the begining.

>>46033716
boner.jpg

>>46035631
Because he smashes cornugons

>>46035971
>Why the hateboner?
It's a few traits that kind of grind together to make him an insufferable poster. Most specifically the fact that he's not particularly good at character builds coupling with the fact that he has a smug satisfaction about how anybody who criticizes his shit builds are idiots. The fact that he's tripfagging for no good reason just aggravates this.

>>46035971
I think he posts a bit without his name, and sometimes when he posts with his name he's not stirring up shit. But he has stirred up shit before, and sometimes just seeing the name is enough to trigger people he has argued with. And of course, autism compels him to respond, so we get another thread of shit flinging.

>>46036045
I like him better when he is tripping. That way I can just filter him.

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>>46033998
I do love playing Paladins!

Mostly Shelynites.

>>46036023
>made to suck

Oh come on.

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>>46036025
And I would've got away with it if it weren't for you meddling kids!

>You have plan A, made by yourself, and plan B, made by your GM.
>GM tells you to pick option B, also uses the words "do you trust me? trust me on this"
>Everything goes like shit, option A was the winner
Why you guys keep being this awful at GMing? why you keep making our life worse than it already is? we are playing to evade our shitty life, not to be thrown in the shit like in our average day at life.

>>46036044
OK. I'll accept that.

>>46036045
It's a name not a trip, and his smugness comes from the fact that he wastes a bunch of time building characters that will never see play but he uses as examples to push his belief, and then nobody else goes to the same worthless effort, which is the only proper rebuttal he will accept.

I don't know if it was him or some other Anonymous autist, but a while ago we had an argument over whether or not a Wizard could outdo a Fighter at being a Fighter, and the guy built a Fighter at level 15 so loaded down with magic items and other shit he had like 50 god damn STR. Not sure what that was meant to accomplish, but nobody built a similar Wizard for him so he declared himself winner.

>>46035948
>what I "sound like"
Are you getting angry over tone? Seriously? Get your mom to give you some warm milk and get some sleep.

And you did get "told" over the kinetistist. Its a fine class, worthy of t4, and no amount of goalpost-moving will somehow make you initial assumptions about the class true. Get over yourself.

>>46035985
My builds are shit? Post better ones.
Except no one ever does, because NO ONE ELSE ever posts builds here. I've been waiting for a non-shit bard build for literally months. I'm now finishing up a skill-monkey investigator

>>46036023
>making shit up.
Here is some fact posting: https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/43294723/#43300120
Now you can ether: Post your warrior build that can do that, or SHUT THE FUCK UP AND STAY QUIET and told.

>>46036045
I originally adopted the name because the arguments over the kinetistist were getting really really complicated with multiple annons arguing with each other.

But seriously: Does anyone have any good leads on non-shit bard builds? Even a link to a guide that is less than 4 years old would be great.

>>46036097
Nerds love to fucking powertrip when given power over other nerds. They get their first taste of being the bully rather than the bullied AND THEY LIKE IT!

>>46036074
The finished product is an entire trap class. It seems neat and nifty, but then you look at how Burn actually works and realize you can't dungeon crawl the little bastard, you can do like one fight a day then go to bed. Unless you choose some very specific options that will work in very specific conditions, then you only hurt yourself once at the start of the day to uh... do poke damage. All because we can't have people possibly threatening caster superiority with different methods of play.

>>46036143
Look at this guy! He's almost like a robot! Thanks for the replies.

>>46033736
Well, there's a class with the word 'paladin' in it for you.

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I dunnow, this is probably a pretty good reason.

>>46036143
>https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/43294723/#43300120
Still haven't fixed that DC 96 perception check eh?

>>46036204
I don't feel like retraining all my levels at this point. I didn't start off as CE.

>>46036126
>never see play
My barbarian build is a less autistic version of an actual character
He was part of a orc/goblin party. He was the leader because he was the strongest, and in a semi-cnsentual relationship with a 5cha pre-nerf witchdoctor. The 20 INT goblin wizard was in no way leading the party at all and only offered minor suggestions about thinkgs that Krog didn't care about anyways.

And my evocation sorcerer is currently being played at level 7 but with a 15 point buy.

>>46036194
Is this a new meme?

>>46036213
>i have up to 960 range
>LOL YOU CAN'T ATTACK ANYTHING BECAUSE OF LIMIT THAT EVERY CHARACTER EQUALLY HAS
good god look at those goalposts fly. I mean is this your most serious counter-arguments to having a really long ranged attacks? I can't help but feel that this is bait.

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>>46033445
Paladin of Sarenrae, reporting for duty.

Light makes might.

>>46036254
>Is this a new meme?

At this stage you're a pretty old meme.

>>46036210
as someone who plays good alignments, and paladins/ fighters and stuff like that, this makes me fucking angry.
why are most people who play paladins such shit heads?

>>46036213
To expand on this point:

>lol warrior archer
>factposting with numbers and shit
>lol you can't see at extreme range that no one else can see at, but you don't take attack penalties at that range although most people do. lol kinestists still sucks due to this
Ether this is bait or you are legitimately stupid.

>>46036290
that was a fun game.

>>46033445
All the monsters GM throws out now are undead, because their immune to the Witch's Slumber Hex. Is Witch even worth it anymore?

>>46036326
Nah the point was you were touting a 960 ft. range like it was an advantage instead of what it actually was (i.e. meaningless) because you have a deeply flawed understanding of the system which you claim to play.

STOP. FUCKING. REPLYING. TO. BUILDPOSTER.

>>46036171
The kineticist *has* decent options, you just have to run out into the minefield to pluck them out, and in order to use those decent options you have to deal with bookkeeping and resource management that puts most spellcasters to shame. It fucking sucks in most regards because along with being a shitty class it's also miserable to play and can't even live up to the role it was designed for.

>>46036254
>I mean is this your most serious counter-arguments to having a really long ranged attacks?
Yes? I mean, what's the point of having something if you can't actually use it more than 5% of the time?

>>46036362
Evil Eye and Misfortune work on undead, unless I'm gravely mistaken.

>>46036443
Evil Eye does not, Misfortune does.

Evil Eye's got that mind affecting tag.

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>>46036311
No clue, really.
One of my favorite characters I ever played was a Paladin/Warlock Halfling in 5e. Worshiped greater Faeries and made pacts with lesser ones.

>>46036492
That sounds really cool.

>>46036362
Misfortune and Fortune are worth it. Often best if combined with another Save or Lose from someone else. Spell list is ok.

>>46036419
>(i.e. meaningless)
Really? you do know that you can use the 100 foot ranged version of that attack if you need to. Or the 50 foot ranged version of that attack. Inside 60 feet the chilling blizzard blast is nasty. Being able to engage anything in LOS instead of having to walk up to it is a serious advantage over anything that uses melee weapons.

>>46036432
The exact same thing could be said about the HP that you have remaining at the end of the day or the black tentacles that you prepared and didn't cast. "well you don't use it 100% of the time so its useless" is a really bad argent honestly. The kinetistist can win most CR appropriate fights just by kiting with the teleport ability.

>>46036427
>you just have to run out into the minefield to pluck them out,
True. The class is terribly written.
>and in order to use those decent options you have to deal with bookkeeping and resource management that puts most spellcasters to shame.
Huh? What book keeping? You literally only have burn and you don't even want to take that unless you might die anyways.

Running a character in a campaign that was experimented on and magically augmented by the big-bad of the campaign - one of the quirks of the character is that he flat out doesn't believe in magic, it's all just sleight of hand and tricks to hide the real methods and science behind it.

He's not a fedora tipping le atheist though if I've made it sound like that;

Only trouble is I've not really found a decent way to play this quirk so far, there's not been a whole lot of magic outside of combat so far but does anyone have any ideas of what I can do to really bring into focus or what I can do in interactions regarding his disbelief?

>>46036581
And bows have a similar maximum range, but nobody talks about it because it doesn't matter. Which, again, is the point you so clearly miss.

>>46036581
>a CON based class with a d8 hit die

Why are you trying to defend this at all?

>>46036581
>The exact same thing could be said about the HP that you have remaining at the end of the day or the black tentacles that you prepared and didn't cast.
Except your hp and ability to cast your spell are far more likely to be used than succeeding on your perception check to see anemones far away. Pointing out that the range you provided isn't actually feasible to use in game isn't invalid criticism. Being level 12 you can have +15 from skill points, +22 from items if you wanted to spend 40,050 gp. I'm sure there's more, but that'd let you get an average of 47.5 on your perception checks.

>>46034816
The antipaladin as presented in these pics seems less an edgelord and more a fun gag character, almost like he's just genre-aware and chooses to embrace being a hilarious jerk instead of dark and brooding. I can dig an antipaladin that's basically a Sunday morning cartoon villain and doesn't give a shit.

>>46036526
She was pretty cool. All of my party members thought it was going to end up as some kind of That Guy Pedophile fantasy character who's a faerie rapeslave since I was new to the group and they didn't trust me yet, but it all turned out pretty well.

>>46036634
>kinetistist has the same range as a zen archer
So....yes? The whole point I was trying to prove was that the kinetisitst is in the same league as the zen archer. I successfully did that?

>>46036661
And this is a problem because? You end up having about the same HP as the fighter due to more points in con.

>>46036661
Because he has to clutch desperately onto his single pseudo-victory or else he'll have to resort to typing "WHY DON'T YOU POST A BUILD?" another million times.

>>46036717
W-what?

Jesus Christ, who damaged your group so badly?

>>46036670
Exactly. None of the other iconics seem to particularly like doing what they do. Thean Tagonist loves being a dick.

>>46036581
>Huh? What book keeping? You literally only have burn and you don't even want to take that unless you might die anyways.

>keep track of total burn for the day
>every time you take burn, add in nonlethal damage
>calculate stat boosts from elemental overflow
>some of that's going into CON, so recalculate your health
>also your FORT save
>and your wild talent DCs
>calculate your attack and damage bonuses from elemental overflow
>calculate your defense wild talent(s) bonuses based on how much burn you take for each of them

>>46036773
>Jesus Christ, who damaged your group so badly?
That Guy

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>>46036670
>>46036802

Honestly, why even be evil if you're not going to enjoy it? Let all those other assholes monologue about "the greater good" or "muh tragic backstory".

Me, I'm teaching my minions to form chorus lines for my villain song.

>>46036810
I mean if that stuff is practically always on that's easy enough to keep track of. It's not like you have to change it each fight.

>>46036738
>implying internet victories mean anything
I'm just frustrated with thees history-retconning dicks who keep bringing this up. You think having an archive would eventually put these arguments to rest but I guess not.>>46036802


>>46036773
Seriously. Storytime please.

>>46036810
Closer to:
>at the beginning of the day, take the burn to fill up elemental overflow while everyone is preparing spells.
>pull out your "buffed" sheet, because this is the one you usually play with. (full overflow burn, kinda like the rage vs. non-rage barbarian sheets.)
>none of your abilities change or anything for the rest of the day, but you might fuck your hp if you take burn, which is just your level in subdual HP.
>add two numbers together for each ability combo to determine what you can do while taking 0 burn.
It is seriously easier than playing a chained barbarian.

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>>46036722
>I successfully did that
No you didn't, because they're not.

Fuck off, nameshit.

>>46036722
Well if I'm using the same ridiculous base stats as you I can have the same points in CON.

>>46036773
If you saw the entry to yesterday's That Guy thread about Barbie the Spergskaven who played a busty drizzit expy Dog the Bounty Hunter, I was the anon who added that entry.

>>46036906
Please explicitly state what a class has to do to be in the same tier as a zen archer.

>>46036909
>ridiculous base stats
>20 point buy
get your brain checked.

>>46036722
Honey, sweetie, darling... I really don't know how to explain this to you any more clearly.

It doesn't matter what the max range is because the number of combats that take place outside the first range increment of a composite longbow is so few as to be effectively zero.

What does matter is that it demonstrates you don't actually know what you're talking about.

I get it, you're proud of babby's first optimized character. But demanding that people post full characters when arguing DPR is stupid. Arguing that DPR does anything more than give you the minimum requirements to be a competent character is stupid. Thinking that a single character build is representative of the abilities of a class as a whole is stupid.

In short, you're stupid. Your builds are flawed in multiple ways that people regularly point out to you, but you continue to condescend to them instead of learning from your mistakes. So please, stop talking like you're any kind of expert or that you're somehow any better than any other shitposter in this thread.

And take off the damn trip. It's going to confuse the masses and I don't want people mistaking me for you.

>>46036944
Woah, this shit is getting meta.

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>>46036878

>>46035218
So, synthesist summoner/psychic armory soulknife/awakened blade?

>>46036944
Scandal!

>>46035371
I just put my mouse cord in my mouth and tried swinging at some target dummies. It's a lot harder than it looks, we're going to have to make mouthweapon attacks a 10 minute action.

>>46036937

>Attributes = Str 10 (Base 8, Size 2), Dex 26 (Base 16, Racial 2, Level 2, Enhancement 4, Size 2), Con 27 (Base 16, Racial 2, Level 1, Enhancement 4, Size 4), Wisdom 11, Intelligence 13, Charisma 8

STR: 10 (0)
DEX: 16 (10)
CON: 16 (10)
INT: 13 (3)
WIS: 11 (1)
CHA: 8 (-2)

Those are the scores you put down as your base for your Hobgoblin in the link you posted earlier. (you have that link under your Favorites, don't you?) The Pointbuy for that is 22. Not quite as ridiculous as it seems, but your math is still wrong. I assume it's wrong in a lot of other places.

>>46036937
Not have to deal (non-lethal) damage to itself to contribute.

>>46037048
You missed that base STR of 8, which is -2.

>>46037042
Shut up Bulhman.

>>46036171
Exactly.

It looks cool at first, then you realize that half its stuff takes extra actions and self damage to do things that were weak on a 3.5 warlock.

>>46037072
Time to google noose tying.

>>46036944
>It doesn't matter what the max range is because the number of combats that take place outside the first range increment of a composite longbow is so few as to be effectively zero.
>What does matter is that it demonstrates you don't actually know what you're talking about.
The max range DOES matter, because some of the more fancy ability combos don't let you use the extended range thing. The most expensive one is the blizzard blast thing, which only has a range of 60 feet. Besides that, though, yea, it doesn't really matter I guess? the important thing is that it is a highly mobile ranged attacker. Like the zen archer.

You have this weird obsession with character attacks, which you post is full of, and which don't make much sense on an anon image board. Its one of the reasons that I like math/buildposting. It speaks for itself, no authority or pedigree required.

I am also loving feedback on my builds. I don't get it very often but its one of the reasons I post them here.

>>46037048
>Attributes = Str 10 (Base 8, Size 2), Dex 26 (Base 16, Racial 2, Level 2, Enhancement 4, Size 2), Con 27 (Base 16, Racial 2, Level 1, Enhancement 4, Size 4), Wisdom 11, Intelligence 13, Charisma 8

Actually its 8 16 16 11 13 8, Which is a 20 point buy

>>46037058
>take non-lethal damage at the star of the day to get some sweet stat boosts as well as protective effects and other nice things
>still have the same health as a fighter
get your brain checked

>>46037105
Honestly, I don't even think that's going to erase the shame.

>>46037105
http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=seppuku

>>46037117
>You have this weird obsession with character attacks, which you post is full of, and which don't make much sense on an anon image board.

But you aren't anonymous. You've made yourself a character, and an unpleasant one at that.

>>46037117
>fighter
>d10 HD
>kineticist
>d8 HD
10 = 8 apparently.

Have fun keeling over unconscious when anything so much as tickles you with NLD, and then getting CDG'd.

>>46037139
I'm clearly not good enough at math to commit sudoku.

Has anybody tried DSP's stuff?

>>46036931
Nope, sure didn't. Storytime.

>>46037058
>>46037048
Its idiots like you who give SHITPOSTER fuel. You are just proving him right. Even with a 22 point buy, would that really change anything? That is the epitome of pointless nit-picking.

>>46036738
Protip:
>prove me wrong cucks
>WE CAN'T!
Isn't exactly a point in our favor you asshat.

>>46037192
The fighter has maybe 12 or 14 con because his primary stats are strength, not con. Goddamn just stop posting and giving out free fuel.

>>46037202
No, I've been too busy thinking about polymorphing dragons into cute girls.

>>46037192
>when anything so much as tickles you with NLD

It's actually both. The way Lethal and non-Lethal work, they stack on top of each other. Kineticist's non-Lethal damage effectively lowers their max hp for the whole day.

>>46037220
HEY GUYS, I FOUND BUILDPOSTER POSTING WITHOUT HIS NAME!

>>46037225
DIE DEGENERATE! WHY MUST ANIMU RUIN EVERYTHING?!

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>>46033445
>you will never be a Paladin
>you will never be anything but CE

>>46037225
EAT A BAG OF DEEP-FRIED DRAGON ASSHOLES!!!

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>>46037220
Let's play spot the BUILDPOSTER -- oops >>46037272 won

>>46037220
>12 or 14 con
>+1 or 2 hp per level, on top of ~5 hp, so 6-7.

>16 con
>+3 hp per level, on top of ~4, so 7

Kineticist stacked con to the ceiling he's much healfier.

>>46037272
i freely relinquish the title of "BUILDPOSTER" to anyone else who also thinks the rest of you are morons.

its a shame that we will have this whole damn arguments again a week from now. You are all too stupid to learn and i'm too suborn to just let it go.

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>>46037302
They actually go quite nicely with a chipotle mayo and a tomato bisque reduction.

>>46037274
How do I force my magical realm on my players without letting them stop me?

>>46037368

Damn, we had the same idea. I'll get rid of mine.

You all have gotten so mean, we need a topic reset. What are some fun character archetypes that you don't hear talked about very often? What type of character would you build with them? A city boy traveling to a farm to fit in? A country girl trying to escape her lonely life?

>>46037347
Sorry but it's not your title. Stop trying to pretend you're me.

I figured out how to tie that noose. I thought this was supposed to break your neck, not hurt like this.

>>46037390
Damn, now I want some delicious garlic bread.

So how do I make an anti-caster character who, instead of dispelling, empties/steals opponents' spell slots?

>>46037347
>>46037397
I can't tell if it's two different guys or his autism has exploded into a whole new, self-loathing personality.

>>46037413
You're not me I can't even find a rope.

>>46037413
I hear that makes you lose control of your bowels.

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>>46037395
A Wizzard who only knows one spell and is a complete coward but keeps getting dragged into incredibly dangerous situations because Lady Luck loves him and Fate hates him.

>>46037413
Did you get a boner?

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>>46037397
BUILDPOSTER GOES TO THE POSTER OF BUILDS
I have no idea how to feat this thing for combat. Melee combat can make use of the studied strike thing, but light armor and INT dependency makes it fragile as fuck.

>>46037474
LEWDPOSTER was already done by >>46037225, get your own shtick.

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Any way to get myself a pet phoenix?

>>46037511

While he may be discussing subject matter that falls within the purview of LEWDPOSTER, note his specific use of juvenile language. Unless I miss my guess, he may in fact be the long-awaited CRUDEPOSTER.

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>>46037207
A'ight.
>A friend of mine who plays Pathfinder and 2e invites me to a group that runs D&D Encounters for the new edition at my LGS.
>Find out that there's several people I know from local conventions already in the group, sit the fuck down to play.
>We're playing a module called "Princes of the Apocalypse" about secret societies and infiltrating local territories. Internally groaning at this being a module game instead of a homespun campaign, but it's WotC's sponsored Encounters, so whatayagonnado?
>GM is a tournament GM who decides that book is love, book is life, and refuses to deviate from the module in any way.
>One of DM's friend veteran players has adopted a formerly-homeless manchild who would later turn out to be wrecking this poor bastard's household, but that's another tale for another time.
>This weird little bastard is forever held in my mind as my go-to image of That Guy. Short guy with a long, skinny torso and stumpy limbs who always wore oversized, sagging pants and had the biggest narrow head I've ever seen. He was shaped like a rat.
>That Guy plays a 6'5" busty blonde wood elf ranger with longbow and dualscimitars and hammerspace panthers, oh my! His character's backstory was basically Dog the Bounty Hunter in fantasyland.
>I built a deception/assassination gnomish rogue with the Charlatan background. Basically the bastard son of a guilder noble who would kill to have the lavish life of a proppa nobleman.
>Fuck me running it's a hack/slash campaign full of flying creatures, this doesn't have to do with secret societies and citystate territory disputes at all.
>Barbie (nickname I gave his character that everyone but DM and Vetplayer start to use for him) takes every opportunity he can to tell me how superior of a rogue that he made while not even playing the rogue class. Minmaxed his rolls for max dex and con, took only roguish skills. Never took survival as a skill and only ever puts his skill points into stealth.
(Will continue)

>>46037395
A lady minotaur who is confused by these lands where everyone is short and babby-weak.

>>46037475
That's because you're not actually BUILDPOSTER. Dex focused melee, Dervish Dancer or Fencing Grace. 13 STR for power attack optional at high point buys. Pick up the Mutagen discovery to help supplement your physicals.

>>46037523
Leadership at a high enough level, and an accommodating DM.

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avenge us father

avenge us

>>46037395
I've been having an itch to play a sidhe binder with Art of the Deal ever since DSP's fey book came out.

MAKE CONTRACTS WITH FUCKING EVERYTHING

>>46037605
>holy shit son actual fucking build advice
GOOD GOD PLEASE STAY I'LL GIVE YOU ANYTHING.

>>46037523

Considering that Pathfinder Phoenixes are CR15 Gargantuan Magical Beasts with all ability scores in the lower twenties at the very least, I think having one as a pet would take a lot of work and be fairly problematic.

>>46037658
I'm pretty sure people gave you advice in the past, but you brushed it off with LOL WHERES THE BUILD.

>>46037523
Since phoenix are NG, on a fluff level you could get a Celestial bird familiar and say it's burning instead of shining.

>>46037658
You have nothing I want.

>>46037636
I want to play a sidhe court knight! I just need to find/make a cha warder!

>>46037680
>I'm pretty sure
i'm like 80% sure that most advice was "lol u suck fag" but I could be wrong.

>>46037683
Sidhe Rubato all day erry day

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>>46037683
>yfw no gm will ever run a fey shenanigans pathfinder game for you

>>46037683
It's not exactly like a warder, but the Vanguard Commander Warlord archetype is IT and shield friendly, and CHA based for your needs.

It plays pretty aggressively and really only works as an off-tank because it lacks a lot of stickiness outside of maneuvers. But I quite like the archetype regardless.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/path-of-war/classes/warlord/warlord-archetypes/vanguard-commander-warlord-archetype

What would be a reasonable price for a spiked bashing ring of force shield?

What's the funnest gestalt build, and why is it Alchemist/Barbarian?

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I'm going to sleep. Hopefully shit shitposting will be done and buildposter will have fucked off to paizo forums or something when I wake up.

>>46037769
I'll take a look at it, but now I'll need to learn gambits ;;

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>>46037583
>A couple of vet con players and I start to add up the numbers and realize that not only is he trying to min/max and powergame despite the fact that he isn't smart enough to put numbers together properly for that, but he's also bumping his stats and fudging his rolls.
>I talk to just about everyone in the party away from table about this, get everyone up in arms and we all come talk to the DM.
>DM won't do anything about it because he's not as good of a player as we are and thinks that it's fair for him to be tweaking a bit to match our savvy. Party is half long-suffering veteran players who wish they had a better game to go to and half murderhobos who have been kicked from other games and are here because the GM has an unforgivably high bullshit threshold.
>Chug through the campaign and our continuous players are getting slowly more and more resentful of Barbie the Skaven. Some of them even leave.
> New players come in who realize what he's doing off the bat. Lots of new players, in fact. We had 16 party members at one session and got through maybe 2 rounds of combat the whole game. Some new players actually call Barbie out on his shit at the table, and he starts to show up less and less frequently.
>I get GM's permission to start a second table, frustrated to no end since I don't even get to do trapchecks like a rogue ought since Barbie and our wizard always kick down the door.
>Start a low-magic Survival/Eldritch Horror campaign, table is more popular by far than anything going on with unstable people at the table.

>>46037795
They're not terribly difficult:

>Spend swift action
>Do thing gambit says
>Get +CHA to d20 rolls associated with gambit
>???
>Profit

Then it's just a matter of picking the gambits you want as you level. Note that Victory Gambit is a little unbalanced, and the RAW of Unbreakable Gambit unfortunately says the /opposite/ of what it's actually supposed to do.

>>46037783
I actually don't even post there. No easy way to post builds and I have to make an account and shit.

Plus I would probably hurt someone's feefees and get banned.

>>46037853
Didja ever stop and think the problem might be with you?

>>46037853
>>46037877
Holy schizophrenia, Batman!

>>46037395
I've got a ton of these.
Human Paladin with the Criminal/Soldier background, former soldier of a holy order who converted and was ostracized and banished for not VULTing enough DEUSes. His new god/goddess smiles upon him for actually remaining faithful/pious through his trials and tribulations.

An elderly Mountain Dwarf Bard with the Sage background, a skald who had an epiphany that history shouldn't be for one man or woman to keep and who leaves the mountain shortly after training his or her apprentice. Bard travels the land proclaiming the deeds of Beardking Kingbeard of the Whogivesashit dynasty to anyone he can buttonhole. Nobody listens but he's secretly giving spoilers about the campaign through story comparison. Basically a Dorfy, bellicose Ducky from NCIS.

Keep going?

>>46037760
I want that now. It sounds cute.

>>46037605
Question/idea:
Dex-to-damage won't come online till level 3, and costs at least two feats, plus you don't get to fully use power attack due to one-handings. is it possible to go a STR build rout and not be shit? I was thinking just power attack with a ancestral-arms fauchard? I might be albe to make this work a bet better earlier on.

No idea how to fix the low level AC thing. It doesn't' matter so much later-game. But you will never get there with 16 AC at level 3

Should I take mutagen or infusion first?

>>46037877
>implying I don't have personality problems

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>>46037853
>>46037877

>>46037760
>you will never get involved in a land dispute between Fey and a Dragon
>you will never have the party argue over whose side to take
>you will never watch faerie dust clash with dragon fire
>you will never uncover that the feud was started by a secret third party
>you will never go alone in secret to confront the REAL villain
>you will never defeat the REAL villain, who was actually your evil twin from Noiralog all along

>>46038061
stahp ;-;

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>>46037877
>>46037984

>Hello me, meet the real me

>>46038061
>not solving the dispute by getting the fey and dragon to marry so they share the land
Do you even matchmaker?

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I have posted here before. I am writing a adventure path using Paizo and DSP content. I now need to begin play testing of book 1. Anyone who is interested please use the attached character guide to create a character.

My skype is: Slowcogs (the cartoon one)

If you wish to play please send me a proposed character. If it is obvious you didn't read the character guide from your sheet I am just going to deny you on the spot.

The game will either be on Tuesday or Wednesday evening PST. Exact scheduling will be dependent on group.

Reply to this post with questions.

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>>46038292
Here is a map of the Steaming Sea and it's surroundings, the kingdoms of Norine.

>>46038292
>>46038334
shit son.
TL;DR before I spend a half hour reading that? Looks interesting.

>>46038292
When you say all DSP content, does that include the fey book that just happened? Just checkin'.

>>46038334
Here is a link to the steaming shit and it's surroundings, autists and weebs.

https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/43294723/#43300120

>>46038292
Before I spend a while reading it and building, is there still space, or are you just gathering up people who already responded?

Also, is it voice or text, and is it live or PbP?

>>46038292
>>46038334
If people wish I can also give a book by book summary of the entire adventure. Also, undiscussed in the character guide there is a subsystem for GM use in the Kingdom of Masks adventure path.

These systems are called Piece of Truth and Realizations. Some items/facts/documents have assigned Truth that must be interpreted. Interpreting them requires skill checks (such as discerning the context of a historical document, or dissecting a corpse), these pieces supply one with Truth. At certain brackets of Truth the party receives realizations through NPCs (or PCs if they take the prestige class available in book 3). These give insight into the overall plot and underpinnings of the setting.

Each book has one major Piece of Truth and several minor ones.

>>46038379
THAT'S A HOBGOBLIN YOU ABSOLUTE RETARD!
CAN'T YOU EVEN SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WORLDBUILDING AND A FUCKING HOBGOBLIN YOU ABSOLUTE PLEB?

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About to run a campaign where the GM is letting the players have two characters each.

I'm thinking Pack Master (Hunter) and Blood Rider (Rager).

What would be the best Mount and animal companion combo be? Also, which races would fit these best?

>>46038377
This was written before that book. I would prefer all published DSP content. If the book is actually released then go for it.

>>46038417
This is a fresh group. There are no applicants as of yet.

I forgot to mention. It will be a TEXT based game and LIVE. For everyone who asks I shall link to this post. Thank you for reminding me to mention.

>>46038436
Two big questions:
1. The Shattered Mirror tradition is based around an extraplanar being currently trapped on the plane who is the founder of their tradition. Would you be okay with me using this NPC as a contact and working them into the plot somewhat?

2. As far as starting wealth goes, should we just take the average for our class?

I'll probably start my first game of Pathfinder next week or so, first TTRPG as well. I was thinknig of rolling a Wizard or something, but noticed they get a limited amount of spells. How do you play a Wizard like that? Because I can only see myself cowering in a corner until the battles are over because "I might need those Fireballs for the next battle!". Like how in videogames I never use the rocket launcher out of fear I'll run out of ammo when I need it.
Am I overlooking something here, or is a spellcaster just not a good fit for someone with this mindset?

>>46038508
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pBP7kQ14gCc-xTsjIdK7EJov38IpDZFG73anj6KyifI/edit

Up to you if it's complete enough for being playable, or if fey are appropriate to play in this world (I like the idea of them also desperately trying to survive the last gasps of the world, but that's something that you might not find interesting or desirable).

>>46038541
Scrolls to increase your slots per day, plus arcane bond. Also your spells are potent enough to end fights entirely (color spray), so you'll have plenty.

>>46038334
>>46038292
What are the divinities/deities allowed for this campaign? Standard Golarion deities, or is there a list?

>>46038541
You can use cantrips an unlimited number of times per day (most of which won't be super useful, but some will be), and you can carry a crossbow for when you run out of spells - it'll serve you until you get to the point where you'll be able to cover your weakness with good spell selection and magic items.

>>46038191
>thinking wuv solves everything

Typical Shelynite.

>>46038585
>>46038620
Thanks, I'll look into those. I missed Cantrips being unlimited, I figured they still shared a limit because they are described as "level 0 spells" or something.

Something I didn't get answered last thread

Gunslinger
Reloading free action
Can reload with hands full

Bab of 14/9/4
Full attack with Rapid Shot, TWF, and I.TWF is something like 21/21/21/16/16/11 right?

What DSP playtest updates have there been since lord of the wilds (the werewolf thing?) was announced?

>>46038568
Fey are extremely important for the overarching plot of the game. However being part of the Fey courts would make several questions about your character difficult to reconcile. For now, as it is not published DSP content I will not put the approved sticker on it.

>>46038606
For now we will be using standard Golarion deities.

>>46038519
>1. The Shattered Mirror tradition is based around an extraplanar being currently trapped on the plane who is the founder of their tradition. Would you be okay with me using this NPC as a contact and working them into the plot somewhat?
Being as I am writing this as an adventure path I will not write him into the plot, but he may come up. Simply be it known that he will not be my focus.

>2. As far as starting wealth goes, should we just take the average for our class?
Yes, use average.

>>46038292
>>46038334
>>46038508
I'm definitely onterested here. Once I've given a good look over your PDF, I'll ask about character creation. The blurbs near the start definitely have my interest piqued though.

>>46038672
Gareth put out his Lords of the Mists playtest yesterday I think. It's about faeries.

http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?481538-Dreamscarred-Press-Lords-of-the-Mists-The-Midway-Faire

>>46038656
Yeah. You can only prepare a few but you can use each of those as many times as you want.

>Wizards can prepare a number of cantrips, or 0-level spells, each day, as noted on Table: Wizard under “Spells per Day.” These spells are cast like any other spell, but they are not expended when cast and may be used again. A wizard can prepare a cantrip from an opposition school, but it uses up two of his available slots (see below).

>>46038723
How about the stuff from other people? Has Ssalarn come back yet?

>>46038436
I'd give it a shot since it sounds like you have some interesting ideas there, but loltimezones.

>>46038703
That's disappointing, but entirely reasonable. Thank you for answering.

>>46038760
Ssalarn is working on stuff. He tends to go dark for a while and come back with a bunch of major updates all at once. But I'm pretty sure his focus is on the layout and publishing of Akashic Mysteries right now. Gotta get these things out the door, y'know.

>>46033445
Not only i am paladin, but i am an Undead Paladin, raised to fight an ancient evil who now stalks the land again.

>>46033445
Busy trying to seduce a paladin. That's almost as good, right?

>>46038783
As I am making this work with DSP content I may write bits on the martial traditions that are relevant to Norine. However I may also change them.

I also have a martial tradition I have been writing for a long time that may become an option, which it's own martial tradition. It will however not be in version 1 of the play test.

It is called Mortis Stride. The lore behind it is in times lost to history troglodytes lived in a massive empire, since lost to decay and invasion. In defense of this empire Mortis Stride was created. It uses a combination of Troglodyte anatomy and natural fortitude. Many of it's maneuvers include production of mucus, spitting bile, and producing pheromones. The abilities are debuffing and area control based with minimal damage.

I could dredge up Mortis Stride if anyone wanted to look at the play test of the first five maneuver levels.

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>>46038882
It really shouldn't be that difficult.

>>46038914
I think I remember something similar to that being posted, something about making a stench?

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>>46038882
>attempting to seduce the pure and righteous

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>46038956
That is one of the abilities yes. I did it under a different tripcode and demeanor.

Whats even the point of the quick draw feat?

whats a good class to gestalt with bloodrager?

>>46039178
So you can use Mithral Current maneuvers, of course!

But really, it's decent if you're a switch hitter of some sort or use throwing weapons in combination with a blinkback belt. Outside of that it's not that great.

>>46037395

An Eldritch Guardian/Mutation Warrior Fighter. A good-natured but kind of weird guy who flunked out of being a wizard and an alchemist because he was too lazy but finally got motivated when his village was saved from bandits by a clever bounty hunter. Turned out to be rather smarter than he thought when he finally put the fucking effort in and became an excellent swordsman, while remembering just enough of his lessons to brew mutagen and forge an arcane bond with his pet hedgehog.

>>46039178
To allow you to draw weapons as a free action?

What deities use hammers as their holy weapon?

>>46039219
I figured it was for that. Thing is that its pointless since you can draw a weapon as part of any movement and if you're using it to draw it for a mithral current maneuver you can just move. The mixed combat feat on the other hand is much better for a bushi anyways. Have you guys ever considered swapping the placement of those two feats?

>>46039277
http://www.archivesofnethys.com/DeitiesByGroup.aspx
Ctrl+F hammer -there's 14 of them.

>>46037395
A sorcerer or an oracle who thinks their magical power comes from the other source; it's either a divine blessing/curse when really her grandmother just fucked a dragon bareback, or a guy who uses his bloodline to make up for his gimp leg, not realizing his magic is why he has to hobble everywhere in the first place.

>>46039218
You can only use bloodrager spells whilst bloodraging iirc so consider Alchemist with Vivisectionist Archetype for Sneak Attacks (flank with another party member or turn yourself invisible) and Mutagens! You can drink your extracts to buff yourself up then rage in and mess people up!

Another good choice could be Insinuator Antipaladin, you can heal yourself and improve your weapon with magic, plus i think they get CHA to saves.

>>46035347
Because they're both boys and that would be lewd.

>>46039324
You're talking to the guy who /wrote/ the bushi. You need quick draw and BAB +6 for mixed combat anyway. So basically yes, but it's staying the way it is to keep the class templates progression and power curve on track.

>>46038957

It's OK if the cleric does it though, right?

Seriously, every party. You get a cleric and a paladin together and you know the cleric's gonna try and tap that.

>>46039356
Actually you can cast other spells for a feat.

>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/mad-magic-combat

>>46039372

>Two burly paladins of Kurgess constantly buff each other with Divine Grace
>The witch gets a nosebleed every time
>They try to heal her with Lay On Hands
>It only makes it worse

>>46039398
>At 6th level, the bushi gains Mixed Combat as a bonus feat, even if he does not meet the prerequisites.

??

>>46039509
It's a more powerful feat is the point you twit.

>>46039509
Had to be added so that Bushi Stalkers could be a thing and not have their progression fucked up. Considering how I still, two years later, get people asking me if free action sheathing to recover a maneuver is A) Intended and B) overpowered, dropping it down to level one is not something I'm interested in doing. As >>46039535 put it, it's a more powerful feat.

>>46039605
I know it is a more powerful feat but I asked because I wondered if you had ever planned or thought to have it at another level. I just think quick draw is a bit useless though because if you're going to full attack you can't initiate a maneuver so drawing is pointless.

>>46039498
>this starts playing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdJn4eYddjI
>the Paladins go shirtless and start dancing
>Wizards uses magic to summon fog and laser lights
>Witch passes out

>>46039713
Plenty of mithral current maneuvers get a bonus if you draw while performing. Not possible without quick draw.

>>46039713
No, 6th level is an appropriate place for the feat. Too early and it turns a cool feature of the bushi into a problem, too late and it removes a lot of flavor and appeal of the class template. There are other ways to compensate for the lack of sheathing, like most of the stances in Mithral Current.

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>>46028401
As DSP personnel are now present in the thread, is it possible I could request an answer to this, beyond unintelligible personal attacks?

>>46039761
Some anon mentioned in a thread one daysomething about there being no judgement cut type maneuver for mithral current. I agree with him you had the perfect chance to do that but I think one of you said you weren't familiar with DMC.

>>46039761
Yeah, just noticed that myself. A Rubato can't take Mixed Combat until 8, so functionally speaking, 9. That's kinda rough for my plans to focus on MC, but I can make up for it with stances (although then I lose the opportunity to use the pretty amazing E. Flux stances)

>>46038914
Question for you; How would the people of Silverdale respond to someone with albinism? I have a character idea I'd like to try out, but would like to know the response such a character's appearance would get before rolling with it. It almost seems like most would abandon such a child.

>>46039840
That's a question with a complicated answer, because there's some conflicting and unclear text on the Pathfinder Side of things. Specifically:

>If you have a base attack bonus of +1 or higher, you may draw a weapon as a free action combined with a regular move.

Is the text in PF that is the reason that BAB +1 is a requirement at all. The problem, of course, is that the text says move, not MOVE ACTION. This means that what counts as a "regular move" is technically undefined.

In terms of the DSP stuff specifically, the soulknife by RAW cannot quick draw their mindblade before level 5, period. As this is a more specific text than the text regarding mithral current, it takes precedent.

The text for Mithral Current's draw requirements was written in such a way as to allow move action drawing or "drawing as part of a normal move" to count as drawing the weapon for purposes of initiating the maneuver, depending on how the GM decides to interpret whether or not "normal move" means any movement or specifically a move action.

>>46039867
I never received a clear explanation of what Judgement cut /is/. Best I can tell, it's either some type of delayed damage "You're already dead" type of deal, which I've outlined the reasons why this is bad numerous times. Or it's some sort of ranged cut/energy blade attack, in which case there's already three of those in Mithral Current so I don't know why people are complaining it doesn't exist.

>>46039922
Rubato's not Iaijutsu focused that's why, but yeah, 3/4ths BAB messes with feat progression a lot because "combat" feats are scaled to full BAB classes despite them frequently being subpar combat options.

>>46040264
>Yamato is able to cut through space itself as evidenced many times throughout Devil May Cry 3, and Devil May Cry 4 : Special Edition. Vergil utilizes an ability called Judgement Cut in which he swings so fast that Yamato doesn't appear to even leave its sheath. It creates a distortion in space that engulfs his target which is sliced multiple times by the blade in very rapid succession. The ability is capable of hitting any enemies that are within the rather large distortion radius.

Tl;dr: Attack so fast that it looks like it doesnt leave the scabbard

>>46040314
That's done by sheathing your blade after using a counter.

>>46040314
Oh yes, because that's so goddamn unique it needs its own maneuver.

>>46040314
That would be literally any maneuver that someone makes if they have Mixed Combat or some other way to sheathe their weapon as a free action.

>>46040314
Yeah that's basically any of Mithral Current's blade beam attacks + Mixed Combat

>>46040264
I see. So the short version of it is "soulknives require the Quick Draw ability (for which the feat does not qualify) to form their mind blades as part of a maneuver", yes?

Why then does the description of the discipline explicitly call out a soulknife with an unformed blade as being able to use Mithral Current maneuvers? It seems to me that this renders the discipline more or less useless for a Soulknife prior to 5th level, unless they were to maintain a second, mundane weapon on their person at all times for the sole purpose of using their maneuvers.

Can I use vital strike with a full attack action?

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/feats/combat-feats/vital-strike-combat---final

>>46040374
Nope.

>>46040374
No, it can only be used on an attack action.

>>46040373
Because mind blades aren't "drawn," they're "formed." I'll let you infer why that's a problem that required being specifically called out.

>>46040349
It isn't entirely the same thing because you don't cut through dimensions with mithral current.

>>46039432
If that's the case then Bloodrager Gestalt is WILDLY different. Magus might work out alright, but now DRUID is on the table. A Bloodrager Druid can turn into a giant mutated supertiger and pounce people for a shit ton of natural attacks all dealing a lot of damage with that high strength. He has the benefit of two spell lists on top of that. The Abyssal Bloodline is a strong candidate here for the ability to turn into the largest Wild Shape you have access to, then go one size higher in your Bloodrage.

>>46040393
>>46040397
I know attack action and full attack action are different, but why arent you able to make a vital strike during a full attack action? cause pathfinders dumb?

>>46040415
What exactly do you want 'cut through dimensions' to do mechanically?

By your copypaste up there, it doesn't let someone travel to other dimensions. So what do you even want from this theoretical ability?

>>46040415
You don't actually cut through dimensions with Judgement Cut either. You just hit them at a distance. It's entirely fluff, and pedantic fluff at that.

>>46040445
Yes. The attack action is its own seperate standard action. That's why it uses the wording "attack action" rather than "attack". Pathfinder is Language: the System.

>>46040445
It's specifics, yes.

To clarify, an attack action is an action during which you make one attack. A full attack is an action during which you make multiple. VS only works on an attack action.

>>46040404
I understand, it just strikes me as extremely odd that you would especially mention Soulknives can use the discipline without also mentioning that they have specific weaknesses that may make it a less-than-attractive choice.

Although I suppose they do not have to concern themselves with sheathing their weapon, so perhaps this was considered a balancing factor?

>>46040488
>>46040485
fuck pathfinder

how do i increase my survival skill bonus? is there any cheap ( mundane-tier pricing) that let me have some bonus for it?
i read that you can make a +2 tool for every skill, does it apply for every skill? where is it ruled?

>>46040496
Your mind blade only dissipates if you let go of it. You could absolutely "sheathe" the blade normally (read the sidebar about what constitutes sheathing the weapon again) as long as you don't drop it and still initiate the maneuvers as normal.

>>46040517
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/goods-and-services/tools-kits#TOC-Tool-Masterwork

>>46040510
Yep.

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>>46040510
Add something constructive or go away. All games have semantics problems.

>>46040517
Price 50 gp; Weight 1 lb.

This tool is perfect for its intended job. It grants a +2 circumstance bonus on a related skill check (if any). The bonuses provided by multiple masterwork items do not stack.

Several common items already count as masterwork tools for particular skills. These are the alchemist's lab, climber's kit, disguise kit, healer's kit, masterwork musical instrument, and masterwork thieves' tools. Therefore, there is no masterwork climber's kit, masterwork healer's kit, and so on—those items are already the best available for general checks with the relevant skill.

Some skills have no appropriate tool or masterwork tool—no non-magical item exists that grants a bonus for all uses of that skill. For example, just because a certain perfume is favored by local nobles (granting a +2 circumstance bonus on Diplomacy checks to influence them) doesn't mean that perfume has the same effect on a member of the thieves' guild, a foreign berserker, or a medusa. Likewise, just because a fake beard woven by dwarves out of the beards of famous dwarves may grant a +2 circumstance bonus on Use Magic Device checks to emulate the dwarven race doesn't mean the beard has any effect on using that skill to activate elven items or paladin items, or to decipher a written spell.

Individual GMs may want to allow masterwork tools for other skills at the listed cost. The circumstance bonus for such a tool should never be more than +2. The tool should either have a limited number of uses (such as the disguise and healer's kits) or only apply to certain aspects of the skill (such as the balancing pole's bonus on Acrobatics checks to traverse a narrow surface or the magnifying glass's bonus on Appraise checks for detailed items).

So, Paizo is re-releasing Curse of the Crimson Throne in a one-volume updated edition with new content, art, rules, and other shit.

Where were you when they finally did something right?

>>46040574
>Where were you when they finally did something right?
We'll determine it that's the case when they actually release it.

>>46040574
Mm, I dunno. When did Weapon Master's come out again?

>>46040565
>>46040544
tl;dr if your GM is okay with it but you probably won't get a flat +2 to all uses of survival.

>>46040554
He's not wrong. Vital Strike being nigh-worthless except when Mythic or on a Warder or other character with lots of AoOs and Seize the Initiative, or on a Warpriest of Gorum with the Weapon of the Chosen line to a lesser degree is stupid as hell.

>>46040592
What could they possibly screw up? It's Curse of the Crimson Throne, it's already the best thing they've published.

>>46040540
So, wait then Elric, I'm actually interested in this nonsense conversation now. Can a soulknife sheathe their blade normally and then Quick Draw it with the feat, just by keeping their hand on it?

>>46040606
Survival barely has a use, just fluff it as a map and compass alongside a flora and fauna guide.

>>46040615
It's Paizo, I'm sure they'll find a way.

>>46040615
I thought that was Reign of Winter or Jade Regent?

>>46040565
>>46040544
allright, thanks, that's good enough.

but what kind of tool would confer me a +2 to hunting? a lure for big animals? a whistle for birds? i am looking for a catch all.

>>46040615
So how could they improve it?

>>46040643
Only if you're enough of a degenerate to value waifus over actual gameplay.

>>46040643

Those are the best waifu APs. Different thing.

>>46040632
The definition of sheathing is left open ended on purpose. Dismissing the mind blade is one way to do it, but the text also calls out placing it behind your back, in an actual sheath, planting it in the ground, etc. Since those are all things you can do normally with a mind blade (it is a solid object), there's nothing preventing a soulknife from doing those things. However as soon as you let go of the mind blade it is dismissed and vanishes.

>>46040614
It's useful for some niche things.

X LASERS can make good use of it, since they have 5d6 damage to start with and aren't slow firing. It also helps mitigate their issue of using 5 charges per shot.

>>46040701
Wasn't the definition of 'sheathing' for the purpose of mithril current noted as 'in a nonthreatening position'?

>>46040663
Some sort of portable musk, maybe? or just magicked bait? I don't actually know shit about hunting.

>>46040636
I don't disagree, but :paizo:

>>46040735
Yes.

>>46040735

Yeah, with a lot of examples.