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Jumpchain CYOA Thread #740: Nuns with Guns Across the Multiverse

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>>46002230
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>>46026360
Well that was quick.
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>>46026370
I had something mad gay I wanted to post for my fellow sisters examination.

http://pastebin.com/K8xLfs8c

What is it missing? What needs improving? Is it too fanfictiony to exist?
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If Librioanon is here, I'd like to re-ask these questions
>>45937424
>>45939467
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So, I'm looking at the JoJo jump, and I'm wondering how power the Hydrokinesis from Blue Oyster Cult is? I know, I know, it's boring to take a default. But I actually need a good water manipulation ability, and I don't actually know a lot about JoJo.
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>>46026402
Wouldn't that get you burned for being a heretic in the actual setting?
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>>46026370
Combat nuns are apparently serious business
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>>46026402
I could be wrong, but I'm fairly certain you would be branded as heretics pretty damn quick. Maybe try toning it down a little bit?
>>46026430
I'd say, if you go Requiem, probably Water bender prodigy. Which would make you Azula and Toph's water bending counterpart.
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So /jc/, what's the most petty abuse of your power you've committed?
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>>46026481
I've seen this post in every other thread for the last several threads. Either that's just a coincidence, or something is up.
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>>46026479
Thanks. What exactly is Requiem and is it mutually exclusive with the Awakened power set?
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>>46026481
Donuts

You can replace donuts with most food but donuts is approprate
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Someone, I think it was Alice, posted a link to the summoning perks they have. Whoever it was, what is Titan Summoning from?
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>>46026430
>>46026479
>>46026535
It's Jojo, so it can certainly be a hell of a lot better than water bending considering its stats. So I wouldn't believe that anon at all.
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>>46026537
Why were there donuts on a random streetlight?
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>>46026535
Requiem is the ultimate form of your Stand. Golden Experience Requiem can reduce someone's existence to zero, trapping them in an eternal death loop. Yours, on the other hand, is absolute control over all water in all it's forms over a 50 meter radiance. Ice, liquid, and water vapor, all yours to control. So, you could technically turn a cloud into ice and drop it on someone, or turn an iceberg into a flood of water, and such.
>>46026576
Water Bending Prodigy, Anon. Like, the Earthbending equivalent allows you to throw hills around.
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>>46026616
Go splash in your bathtub.
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>>46026463
>>46026479

Think of this more as an objective Wikipedia profile of the chapter rather than an in-universe entry. It was meant to be objective as possible and have application outside of the 40k universe.

Realistically, if the Inquisition knew about your origins, even if you were devout to the letter of the Lectitio Divinitatus, would probably put an exterminatus on your ass.

In the end, you actions would be no different. There is no hope of convincing the Tau to leave the greater good, and they would absorb you into a Marxist cast system. The Eldar think you inferior and would not hesitate to kill you and Imperial citizens if you got in the way. The Dark Eldar want to kill you, skin you and rape you, and not necessarily in that order. Chaos just wants to fuck shit up. Necrons want to lord over you. Following the Lectitio Divinitatus and the doctrine of the Orchard would result in the same actions, purging the Xenos and Unrepentant Heretics. The only difference being you may be more inclined to spare Civilians and be less harsh on Repentant heretics, but if you know the stakes of 40K you'd be well within the tenets to go full purge on them. So providing you're not stupid enough to say "The God Emperor is in fact a man", you'd be fine.
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>>46026535
Awakened is when the Stand User is stabbed by the Arrowhead a second time. It gives a second and completely unique power that still fits the general theme of the Stand and is tailored towards the current greatest need of the Stand User.

Requiem is when the Stand is stabbed by the Arrowhead at all. It gives a second and completely unique power that is likely completely different from the base and absolutely overpowered as balls in canon. It also makes the Stand sentient. For the purposes of the jump, it simply enhances your Stand's base power by an utterly insane degree.

I still go with the sentience angle in my chains because it's an easy way of getting a unique companion, but I haven't seen people actually acknowledge that part often.
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>>46026673
>Requiem is when the Stand is stabbed by the Arrowhead at all
Sorry, I'm confused by this part. The first time, you get a stand, the second it awakens, but at what point does your stand become sentient and gain another power boost?
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>>46026616
>hills
If it's a Requiem Stand you'd be tossing mountains, minimum
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>>46026710
Oh. You said when the stand is stabbed. My bad. I gotcha now.
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>>46026616
>over a 50 meter radiance.
Is there anyway to expand the range of your stand?
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>>46026643
Sure, you could do that too. Except you can make your bathtub about 50 meters long, and made of ice or cloud or something.
>>46026657
I guess aside from the Xenos you COULD pull a Salamander and make yourselves too useful and large to simply "Get rid of." Though given the circumstances, I doubt it. Remember, you'd still be disobeying the Inquisition, even if only slightly, and those fuckers are paranoid as balls, so...
>>46026719
Normally, yes. But remember, Requiem has been heavily nerfed for this jump. Just look at the other default stands Requiems.
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>>46026588
Cause he left them there
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>>46026673
>It also makes the Stand sentient.
How does this work? You have to ask nicely whenever you want it to do something? And do you lose direct control over the special ability?
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>>46026739
It doesn't say anywhere in the jump that Stands are nerfed, unless someone makes a Stand supplement I'm going to assume canon power level since it doesn't make sense that your Stand would be magnitudes less powerful for no reason.
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>>46026739
It's not meant to really work in 40K

It's really meant so I can take the Ecclesiarchies rhetoric to other universes in an Ideology that I find moral. Its an order The Choir, I and my imported companions founded AFTER the 40K jump.
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>>46026736
Hmm, your potential starts off as A, so you could develop your stand. You'd only be able to reach 100 meters max, though. No infinite range for this jump, for obvious reasons.
>>46026750
Not that Anon, but if I recall correctly, it's more along the lines of your Stand able to talk with you and take independent action, but still obedient, because it's an extension of yourself.
>>46026794
>British Steel now summons a group of three metal soldiers, each with the strength of three men. Each soldier wields a weaponized instrument.
Does that sound anywhere NEAR canon power levels for Requiem?
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>>46026821
To be fair, she KNEW it was underpowered and was going to buff it.
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>>46026821
Hmm...come to think of it, does Softcap affect Stands?
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>>46026839
That actually changes a lot. Did she give any examples of a buff she was planning before she left? We could go off of that instead. If not, I'm really not sure.
>>46026849
I think so, it applies to all kinds of training. Given that 100 meters is A rank, it would probably be small boosts, though.
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>>46026879
This is a bad road of discussion that will repeat last thread, anon dear.
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>>46026750
Gold Experience Requiem seems to actually like Giorno, so it just does what he wants it to do and protects him independently since it can act during King Crimson's erased time and its user can't.

Chariot Requiem just wants to replace the souls of all beings on Earth with those of another world for... some reason. Actually, I'm pretty sure it goes berserk because Polnareff's body died even though its own powers put Polnareff's soul inside a turtle, so it pulled a Notorious B.I.G.

So yeah, the other Anon who responded to you is probably right.
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>>46026891
Oh, right. The supplement. Uh, in that case we should probably just go with what we have. Which is very little. Oi.
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>>46026893
>>46026821
So maybe treat it like Gaara's sand? You can still directly control it, but it can take action to defend you without you prompting it?
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>>46026933
I read that as Garzi's Wing.
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On the topic of punch ghosts.

Jumpers, what is your Persona and what does it do?
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>>46026933
Actually, yeah. That's basically the most accurate description we can give it. Just instead of your mother controlling it, it's you. Sorta.
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>>46026957
Goddamnit anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzjfR6pjZGA
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>>46026975
Thanks.
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Actually, I have one final question: does a Stand have to be manifested for you to use it's special ability?
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>>46027103
...Yeees? I think? I can't recall a moment where the Stand WASN'T manifested either before or during it's ability being used, but maybe I'm wrong.
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>>46027103
Yes, but you could always have an Ability Stand which essentially gives you the special ability without having to summon a punch ghost.
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>>46027142
Addendum: I don't think it has to be FULLY manifested. Both Dio and Jotaro could use Time Stop and move around in the frozen time with just their Stand's arms manifested over their own.
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>>46027142
>>46027166
>>46027192
Alright, thanks again.
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Young Justice Universe-
0/2800
Rolled for Central City
Mystic
Human-Rolled for 18
Free Souvenir
Free Basic Magic
Discount Kaes sdrawkcab
Discount Cantrip Master
Discount Atlantean Sorcery
Discount Sorcerer Savant
Discount Warring Warlock
Discount Thrifty Thaumaturge
Discount Advanced Magic
Discount Order Magic
Knows His Own Strength
Your Reputation Precedes You-Let the Rumors trickle in.
Removed from Context
Free Most Common Superpower
Free Required Secondary Powers
Free Costume
Discount Sorcerer's Helmet
Cadmus Cloning Projects
Alternate Costumes

Never a Dull Moment+200
Blinded By The Light+300-Whythefucknot?
Bounty+300-Always wanted to fist-fight Lobo
Apokolips Now+1000-Fuck it, I've done dumber things.
Let Me go cry about how I wish I had more points now.
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What are some good jumps to make a jumper less human?
After Bloodborne my jumper is interested in becoming "more" than human.
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>>46027582
NGE
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>>46027582
Prototype
Geneforge
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>>46027582
Just don't lose your humanity.
Don't wander down the path of darkness like so many heretics before you.
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>>46027666
Satan/Slaanesh, As long as the Soul is Innately human it's all good.
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>>46027666
>666
Confirmed for oppressive conformist
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>>46027692
>Accusing a sister of being Slaanesh
That's a purgin'
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>>46027697
>>46027701
What? Dudes, 6 is the sacred number of Slaanesh. Obviously that "sister" is a cultist in a very clever disguise.
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>>46027708
>>46027701
>>46027697

Ahh, my secret exposed
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>>46027708
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>>46027722
>secret
>literally rags on every non-human jumper in every thread
>breaks out Yorick's skull each time to see how everyone who isn't human is doing it wrong
>secret
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>>46027732
That's not a Slaaneshi thing to do though.
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>>46027708
Well that's lame. I like the sister poster.
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Hey, amalur anon, how does fateless+fate shift compare to the Viking saga/BBC Merlin anti-fate perks?
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>>46027742
Excess is totally Slaaneshi.
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>>46027773
That's not excess.
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Slaanesh crap is the most boring garbage ever. A bunch of apologists and hyper-sexed losers. At least talk about the more interesting gods.
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>>46027798
>He's angry the other gods don't get talked about more
>JUST AS PLANNED!
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>>46027839
Yeah. Keep doing that. Talk about Birdman.
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>>46027798
Honestly, none of the gods interest me.
Sex+Overindulgence in General
RAEG!
I got boils, but I'll hug you.
JUST AS PLANNED!
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>>46027851
About Featherhead? Oh my no.
>He's angry the other gods don't get talked about more
>He's angry
>angry
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>>46027859
And then there's this fucker.
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>>46027866
Sure, talk about Cerealman.
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>>46027867
He's the only one even vaguely interesting, and that's just due to his paradoxical nature. Still not that interesting.
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>>46027879
Well that would just defeat the point.
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Rolled 7 (1d8)

78. Animal Crossing
Age: 14, Origin: Drop-In
Location: Town, Fruit: Free Import - Ash Bananas from Avatar
Perks: Collector (-150), Feng Shui (-300), Pocket Full of Leaves (-300)
Items: Golden Watering Can (-200)
Immigrants (-100)
House Upgrades: Tier One House
Town Upgrades: Aesthetics (-50)
Drawbacks: Cockroaches!
Town/Shop Options: Integrate

I have a mansion that I've integrated some mushroom towers into, for what do I need a tier 1 house? Toby. We've hit a series of soft jumps so the whole "1 life per jump" thing isn't really working out. So, I've come up with a little game. Toby starts off with 1000 bells and a Tier 1 house. If he can fully upgrade and furnish the house, using only the local stalk market to gather currency, then he may have anything I can grant him, up to the Light of Terra. If he fails, he is mine to command for one future jump of my choosing. A pledge sealed with glamour, on our shared name. I even encoded the reason he is to be doing this into the pledge, so that fate will conspire to teach him should he make a mistake. If the roll is above 6 or above, he's learned at least something and completed his goal. On an 8, he actually gets the lesson I'm trying to teach him.

Aside from that, this jump was really awkward. A mansion pops up by the sea and the strangest people seem to live there. The inhabitants were all abuzz in this sleepy seaside town, but they were nice enough when we let them look around the place. Chimmy ran the onsen as a business, and it wasn't uncommon to see most of the villagers there. Except for Jay and Tom for some reason. Tom was a cat, and Jay had some weird phobia. Gigi loved it there, though. I offered free medical help, which scared away a few villagers, except when they got stung by bees. This place has a nasty bee problem. I could cure illness, bee stings, and even do a little cosmetic surgery. Lucky often stopped by for help, and considering what was under his wraps, I don't blame him.
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>>46027666
I think darkness isn't getting a fair shake. Afterall, haven't the stars in the night sky been considered a font of magic and knowledge for thousands of years? My brand of humanity may be nocturnal, literally dwell in darkness, but that doesn't make them inhuman.
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>>46027924
The human spirit is the bight star that makes up the center of the individual. Everything that orbits it casts a shadow, but at the core of us there is a lantern that lights up everything it shines upon. There are things hidden in the darkness, things that some of us dare not illuminate.

Now why the fuck do you want to mess up that perfectly good metaphor?
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>>46026481
Honestly, we've probably abused Wakfu portals in every conceivable manner by now.

Door-to-door salesman? Warp that fucker onto the neighbour's roof.
Stray cats on the lawn? They're now in the nearest pond.
Some asshole cutting us off in traffic? They're now heading down the wrong lane.

The list goes on. Pies warped onto chairs right before someone sits down. Portals under rivers being used to win water fights. Climatic battles spoiled by the ol' double portal perpetual motion loop. Annoying queues dumped on the opposite streets.

>>46026964
The Wheel of Fortune, and-pretty much what it says from Persona jump

>>46027666
Meh, humanity is overrated. If we're guaging the value of species by luminosity the Angels of Adam, Rakasha, C'tan and Judgements easily beat them out.

Also humans have to poop.

We're just saying.
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>>46028092
>abused Wakfu portals in every conceivable manner by now
Ooooof, kinky. You'll make a certain someone a very happy eldritch abomination one day.
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>>46028110
...no.

No, not like that. Absolutely not like that, and besides that's not how that works.

Just. No. Look, you don't even know if it can BE happy in the human understanding of the term.

It's just.

Like.

For pranks, and stuff.

Clean ones.

It's just a prank, bro
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>>46028157
That just means you have to teach he the meaning of happiness. It'll be a whole disgustingly romantic thing where you teach her to smile, and along the way she learns to love.
Face it, you cannot escape your fate.
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>>46028092
>If we're guaging the value of species by luminosity
>Supposedly superior Anti-spiral entity
>Can't into metaphors

You Heretics crack me up.
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>>46027798
Well that's because /tg/ hyperfocuses on the sex part. Slaanesh is all about pushing you to the extremes. Sex thing is most talked about aspect because well its /tg/. However there's other things too.

The painter that seeks perfection. He starts by painting a masterpiece, but that's not good enough. He wants it to be perfect, so he scraps it and in a maniac phase he doesn't eat, sleep, or bathe for three days painting his masterpiece. He finally thinks "it's perfect" however that feeling lasts only the briefest moments when he sees an imperfection. Maybe his brush stroke was out of line, and it "ruined it". He starts to blame his brushes. Maybe they were inferior, he would have to find better brushes.

So he goes out and tries find the best brush he could. Then he's subtly encouraged to start using human materials. Maybe if the brush handles were from another famous artist, and the brushles from their eyelashes, the canvas from their skin....etc.

Meanwhile he shows off his "inferior" artworks, because he probably was paid on commission or has a patron. If they weren't already corrupted themselves, they would be by looking at his paintings. Euclidean type stuff and what not.

That's how the corruption of Slaanesh spreads, you start seeking others to join you. Maybe they can bring in a new light to things. Eventually clubs dedicated to the extremes, or hedonism, start to pop up.

The gourmet critic starts to feel that the best foods are ash in his mouth. He needs to eat the very best. So he starts in on cannibalism, and exculates. The fencer who seeks to better herself, this leads to them challenging the best swordsman around. When they beat them, that's not enough, they have to perfect their form. So they start practicing on everything that moves. That's Slaanesh, the crave for perfection and the corruption that comes with it.
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>>46027915
So, Toby is good with money, and can at least calculate risk in theory. He's also not lacking in empathy even if he does tend to forget that death sucks even when you come back. So, he shows some promise, at least. He's not off the hook and he knows it, but he knows where to go now.

And his reward? He wishes to be placed in command of the Kerykeion in any jump that could support it. For his assistants I have suggested the Sisters, since Fia and Cierra were both integral to my success with it. Toby is still bashful around Cierra, and there's some tension there. He doesn't want ownership of the Ark though, because he feels like maybe he could get in over his head and doesn't want to risk anyone else's lives if he does. I'm never taking it back, and I just refer him to Ko'el and Falco if he needs advice on how to run things. So, after centuries he's starting to learn humility and that I won't instantly bail him out of everything, and all it took was a lot of gambling and more than a little living off of rotten turnips and what roaches he could catch.

Living among the villagers even helped him grow as a person. Hanging around normal people, rather than the crew of the Light and my companions taught him a lot about the world. He did tasks for them and they gave him furniture, taught him about gathering mushrooms and fruit. Anything he didn't want, he handed out to the Alpacas free of charge. He stuck very tenaciously to the terms of our agreement, and may have gone overboard for awhile after the first few near losses.

And everyone got to choose their own furry alt-forms, now that they have free reign as opposed to the options present in a jump. Those will become standard for places like Sly Cooper and Starfox when those roll around.
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>>46028248
>you start seeking others to join you.
>MFW I'm trying to convert other jumpers into fellow sisters.

In the grim darkness of the 41st millennium there is no victory. We can only hold out as long as we can.
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>>46028390
I often wonder what the Imperium would do when the last Xeno falls beneath its boot.
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>>46028625
Concentrate on fighting the ruinous powers.
Chaos isn't going anywhere.
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>>46028672
And, theoretically, should the Warp be somehow sealed away, never to bother the Imperium again, what then?
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>>46028732
Without the warp the systems of the empire would be unable to communicate. Ships would no longer be able to achieve warp jumps and the Empire would crumble.

But it would have served it's purpose. Man would war with itself as resources on Hive Worlds became scarce, but Humanity would survive.
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>>46028732
Heretics, mutants, the various subdivisions of humanity, and the inevitable rebellions that will happen since warp-travel is now disabled and every psyker died.
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>>46028732
Imperium breaks up, humans barely survive and will probably never last long because the 'Nids would come and devour the Galaxy.
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>>46028732
Then the Imperium wouldn't exist, because it wouldn't have any FTL and would turn into a bunch of isolated planets covered in corpses of people who had their souls ripped out, and a few very confused blanks.
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>>46028625
Well seeing as the Imperium seems to be entirely geared for fighting the Xenos and the threat of chaos. The empire probably crumbles or splits up as they fall to infighting probably about different sects interpreting the words of the emperor differently.
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>>46028788
>>46028796
>>46028867
Hmph. So other forms of FTL travel and communication would be needed. Difficult, but not impossible.

>>46028811
This theoretical situation also includes the utter destruction of all Xeno lifeforms, however impossible that may seem.

>>46028822
People would have their souls ripped out without access to the Warp? That's new.
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>>46028822
If two Blanks have babies, are the babies Blanks? I mean, they'd have to be in order for the pregnancy to even be viable, right? Because if not you'd probably see the death of humanity in a single generation. Two if you're lucky.
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>>46028878
>People would have their souls ripped out without access to the Warp?
The Warp is the Sea of Souls. Cutting off the Warp cuts off their souls, because their souls are in the Warp.

>>46028883
It wouldn't matter if they could or not, they're so rare they'd never be able to establish the numbers in one place for a breeding population, even if all the infrastructure hadn't just lost all its maintainers. Remember that the most populated worlds in the Imperium, the ones where you'd be able to find the most Blanks, aren't really suited to maintaining life without serious infrastructure and imports from other worlds, and are also tangled warrens where entire populations can get lost in the cracks.
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>>46028878
It's more than that... the worst thing that could happen to the Imperium is not having anyone to fight. You have a huge percentage of the population that are solders and don't know how to do anything else. Also their entire economy is based around that war effort. Suddenly they don't need churn out Chainswords and Massive war ships...
They would need to either find an entirely new way or life or find another enemy. This may be too big a job even for a jumper... hell even for a post spark jumper.
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>>46028942
Oh, I don't doubt that it's too big of a job for any one jumper. I just like thinking of theoreticals and the 40k universe is a fun one to do it in.

>>46028928
>>The Warp is the Sea of Souls.
That's... not literal according to what I'm reading on the wiki. It's all kinds of psychic energy generated by living beings, but there's no mention of their actual soul being placed there. Lots of mentions of it being believed to be the resting place of the souls of those who are dead though.
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>>46029008
>That's... not literal according to what I'm reading on the wiki. It's all kinds of psychic energy generated by living beings, but there's no mention of their actual soul being placed there. Lots of mentions of it being believed to be the resting place of the souls of those who are dead though.

Then don't read the wiki. Souls are a reflection of living things in the Warp. In Oldcron codex, their establishment of the Great Project which cut off the Warp from reality would cause souls to cease to exist.
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>>46029008
Souls are warp energy. That's why blanks who have no souls, have no presence in the warp. When you die, your soul is absorbed back into the warp. Unless it's snacked upon by demons or you had your soul tethered to Big E's (Psyker) in which case Big E probably eats it. Seeing he's already claimed part your soul when you're sanctioned. How large if a chunk depends on if you're mearly sanctioned or selected to be an Astropath.
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>>46028878
>Hmph. So other forms of FTL travel and communication would be needed. Difficult, but not impossible.

In universe it is, though a jumper might find a way around it.

Also as >>46028822 stated, a human's soul is intrinsically linked to the warp. I don't know it fi will cause death, but it will cause... something.
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Witcher jump question

If I go old school gryphon witcher it says I can make my own signs, what exactly are signs and how effective are they? After the jump do I keep my old witcher as an altform? And last wuestion, how hard is it to make other people witchers using the "trail of grasses" the jump talks about?
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>>46029083
>>46029106
>>46029113
I'm sure you all know what you're talking about better than I do. If you all say souls are linked intrinsically to The Warp, I'll believe it over my random internet searches. I just always interpreted The Warp different. But then, I've only played the computer games.
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>>46029212
Computer games don't really go into detail about anything. Their focus is mostly on good gameplay, vs good lore.
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>>46029235
>40k lore
>Good
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>>46027582
PUT ON THE STONE MASK AND TRANSCEND HUMANITY
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Speaking pf Nya,where I can become a multiple bodied entity or gain the ability to generate avatars?
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>>46029642
Hiveminded from Libriomancer
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>>46029642
J c avatar, naruto shadowclones, take worm that walks in forgotten realms take 9 part soul from soul eater and split yourself into 9 pieces.
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>>46029642
Nightmare Before Christmas.
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>>46027582
Warhammer 40k- The Imperium
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>>46029781
>Linking Space Marines
>Not Tech Priests
Are there no ends to your failure?
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>>46029836
Why not both? Techmarines.
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>>46029853
Because they're a lot less Tech than Tech Priests. Even for Iron Hands.
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>>46029836
Tech Priests are still covered in the jump,i wanted to give a example of how they are enhance'd.
>>http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Bionics.

happy?
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>>46027582
Deus Ex (and other jumps), become a Cyborg. Transformers (and other jumps), become a Machine. Forgotten Realms, become your choice of D&D creature (if you can afford it).
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>>46029873
>happy?
No.

>>46029878
>Forgotten Realms
Well, if we're going there... Twilight, become a Vampire. Or notWerewolf. Buffy for a marginally less terrible example. (Van) Hellsing as better ones.
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>>46029871
They get to play with stuff that most Tech Priests have wet promethem dreams over. Ancient ships, ancient weapons, ancient suits of armor. They also take care of the artifacts of the chapter, and perform everything a regular Tech Priest would be required. They literally become part the brotherhood, receiving training personally from Archmagos. Iron Hands have a devotion that puts most Tech Priests to shame.

They just don't get to play with the radium weapons AdMech gets to play with. Then again AdMech barely has enough to go around anyways.
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>>46029871
>Even for Iron Hands.
>The guys who love bionics so much that it is rumored that some of them are just brains in a robot body.

What are you smoking?
Can I have some?
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>>46029921
Rumours nothing, that's regular practice for older techpriests.
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>>46029928
Wherre are those toasters you prrromised ussss?
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>>46029972
Get out of here, Void Dragon, you're not fooling anyone.
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>>46029996
Knowwww your place fleshling! I gave thethethe world autotune!
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>>46030030
You monster. The Emperor was right to seal you away on Mars.
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>>46029878

Metal gear rising is also a good cyborg jump
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>>46027732
>>literally rags on every non-human jumper in every thread
To be fair, THAT'S been a particular thing since the threads' conception.

Nobody here can live and let live, everybody's doin' somethin' wrong and all we ever want to do is give each other shit over it.
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>>46030431
But that's because everybody IS doing it wrong, anon.
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>>46030443
Okay whatever
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Superman get taken to 40k where he gets in a fight with the ultramarines. Who wins?
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>>46030831
Depends on the colour of the sun where he is.
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I wonder if you choose to go Half Kryptonian in YJ, and then unlock your full Kryptonian DNA via Genetic modifications. Would you go into the same rage that Superboy went into when he suppressed his human DNA via SHIELDS?
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>>46030831
I wonder if supes or darkseid could handle warpfire? Or mordite. Darkseid could probably handle mordite being antilife.
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>>46030831
A cosmic paradox where the latent psychic force of two hack writers clash, and each side spontaneously develops new abilities over the course of the fight to justify their victory over the other.

It ends with that galaxy's destruction and a grim reminder to the future, to learn from the past.
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>>46027582
Pokémon Mystery Dungeon, Steven Universe, GUNNM, Legend of Spyro, and Animorphs.
>>46026964
The Magician that Turned into Death, and enforces the Lord English Refrence.
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>>46030873
Supes doesn't really have any magic or psionic resistance, so I imagine anything warp related, even a psyker, could shred him.
He'd probably win if everyone's using conventional weaponry, though.

Given 40k, it's 50/50 if the story's about triumphing over xenos or dying en mass to an eldritch horror (in this case, Supes).
What is certain, though, is that even if he didn't start out that way, Supes would inevitably gravitate to one of his more edgelord depictions, because idealism can't survive in the grim darkness of the dark future grim.
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>>46030831
Which Superman? Because Thought Robot Superman just leaves to go fight someone more interesting, like Elder God Demonbane.
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Chrono Trigger question:

If we purchase the Master of War's room attached to the Warehouse, can he grant the Psi, Brawn, or Metal 'elements,' or just the first four (Fire, Light, Water, and Shadow)?
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>>46031379
Just the first four. He doesn't grant brawn or metal to Ayla or Robo in the game, those are just things those characters already have. Coincidentally, they're the only characters who can learn all their techs without taking them to see Spekkio. Everyone else is capped at two.

Psi and Brawn and Metal aren't really special or unique to the world, they're just powers that those people have that's able to reach those levels of power. If you jacks someone up with steroids you can give them "brawn", and if you research the setting's tech you can mimic the elements without ever using "magic".
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>>46031379
Probably just the first four. Spekkio has nothing to do with unlocking the non-elemental types in the game.
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>>46030443
Well then there's no point of doing anything here because there's no fun allowed. Why bother making builds if you're just going to get shat on just for trying to do something?
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>>46031486
Exactly. That's why nobody posts builds.
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>>46031439
Not that Anon, but does that mean he can teach people those powers in other jumps? Like, say, Hellsing or JoJo?
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>>46031517
Well, that and the fact that no one ever comments when someone does post a build.
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>>46031585
The first four? Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's implied explicitly in the perk description. If you take Master of War, Spekkio tags along with you in your warehouse and can teach people in later jumps that you bring to meet him one of the four elements, Light, Fire, Water, or Shadow.
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>>46028732
I like how everyone forgot that if you seal the warp you kill everything with a soul. So humans would just die.
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>>46031486
I don't know, maybe I just have thicker skin but I read those posts as being in good fun. I've seen people's builds get shat on, and typically that's for posting something that's questionable in terms of interpretation, but that's not what I'm seeing with the posts referenced. I'm just seeing some banter.
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>>46031712
Same here, they're having fun. Those other anons are being whiny butt babies, I bet nobody has ever even replied to their builds.
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>>46031517
>>46031612
We've turned into a real shithole then.
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>>46031748
See >>46031712
>>46031737

Everyone was having fun until you guys decided to complain. You've made this a shithole for yourself out of imagined slights. You constructed that interpretation for yourself. Nobody else had it, not in regards to this.
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>>46028073
If you always stay in the light, where everything has already been discovered and understood, you'll never be able to make change or advancement. You need to push forth into the dark, the terrifying, the unknown. To break the bounds of what is impossible, to constantly strive for more, to march forth even as the darkness surrounds you. THAT is what it is to be human, sister.
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Warehouse time 31.6
Gotham city
Mystic 900
Martian 100
41 yo
Basic magic free
Cantrip master 0
Sorcerer savant -150
Warring warlock -300
Thrifty thaumaturge -500
Advanced magic -700

Drawbacks
Blinded by the light -400
Beleagured -100
No killing rule 0

Superpowers
Telepathy free
Telekinesis free
Super strength free
Durability free
Shapeshifting free
Density shifting free
Animal transformation free
Required secondary powers free
Most common superpower free
Cellular regeneration free


Items
Costume free
The plan is say fuck you to the justice league and try to befriend darkseid, we both hate superman so thats a start. Every year Im leaving him a birthday cupcake made of ambrosia fruits and a bottle of sinful sommolier with a birthday card from me with a coupon for all he can eat and drink at my bar.

Who knows maybe it will make him less grumpy.
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>>46032078
Why do you hate truth, justice and the american way? Not judging, just curious.
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A weekly reminder to remove the Ayys
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>>46032138
Technically aren't we all Ayys? Being travellers from different realities and all.
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>>46032122
I don't. I didlike the alien who is one of the most over powerred heros who can do no wrong. Maybe I should give darkseid a stack of comics too.

Supes just seems like a massive tool. Plus darkseid looks like he needs a drink.
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>>46032212
Have you ever actually read Superman comics?
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>>46032212
I think you've confused Superman with Saitama somehow.

Also you do realise Darkseid runs a planet called Apokalips, where the entire populace has Stockholm Syndrome for him, and forced one of his lieutenants to kill her own dog as a test of loyalty to himself?
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>>46032236
Yes. He literally has a giant universal robot and a sword that makes him one with the universe as well as being immortal a master of all martial arts and the power to shoot mini supermen from his hands. Oh and superman fans go fucking nuts when you hint that supes isnt the best of all people.


>>46032284
See above.
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>>46032078
That's stupid. This is a stupid plan. And now I'm stupid, having read it.
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>>46032353
Dude. Bringing up the Silver Age during a discussion about a character is like bringing up a T-Rex during a discussion about birds. Yeah, TECHNICALLY, they're both dinosaurs, but it's irrelevant in this context.
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>>46032477
Well, the giant universal robot thing was more recent. Final Crisis, the Superman Thought Robot. But that's not really something he has on a day to day basis, so it still doesn't count. It's not in continuity anymore anyway.
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>>46032477
He asked why I don't like suped. Thats why. Well that and he raised superboy as a disposable organ farm in one comic iirc. Besides I have helped the justice league on like 5 jumps they dont need me helping them.
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>>46032547
He didn't raise Superboy to be that. That was his future son that did that.
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>>46032568
Well then I stand corrected.
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>>46032547
So you like any comic characters? Because they were all absurd back then.
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>>46027582
Lovecraft.
Become a Shoggoth.
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>>46032547
So because you don't like a character for being overpowered and having once done something scummy...you're going to hang out with a character who's overpowered and constantly does scummy things. Great decision-making process, there. Hell, at least with Superman you get Ma Kent's cookies, all Darkseid gives you is speeches about how he is the New God and will murder your soul.
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>>46032460
This rigt here is why only the AIs post builds.
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>>46032605
Nope. I just dont like superman. Everyone is welcome in my establishment even evil folks. Batmans also getting cookies. I would send them to aqau man but they would get soggy.
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>>46032608
>AIs

Dammit, it seems we can fool captcha but not you. Skynet's gonna freak.
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This is Brutus yet again!

Finally getting around to updating a section of the drive I had been holding off due to internet contraints (The entire CCDT selectable text update), but Brutus had a accident while that happened.

So...if you are around and reading this I was going to save it for until I was done with my current update to read it so...yeah....could you Upload Version 1.3 of the Libriomancer again? Sorry about that
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>>46032652
And if were you and is when I are is?
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>>46032689
Omg COMSPIRACY!
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>>46032647
The reasons you don't like Superman are also reasons why you shouldn't like Darkseid, is my point. Your stated motivations are not logically consistent, and therefore are probably just covering for the real reason that you're too ashamed to admit. What that is, I don't know, but none of the possibilities look good for you.
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>>46032707
Youve got me anon! I had a bad run as mega satan but was converted to neutral by companions, I wish to convert him to my way of neeutrality and booze!>>46032707
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Remember kids, keep your Power Ring away from your Mother Box. Lewd stuff happens.
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>>46032776
...what exactly am I looking at? It looks more psychedelic than lewd to be honest.
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>>46032776
Ooooh. What is that and why shouldn't I imitate it? He's got the starry look on his costume, so he must have PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWAH.
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...erm. Might as well just post a build.

(Rick and Morty)
-Background: Drop-In (Free) -Well... at least I'll look the part.
-The Devil You Know (Free) -I'm sorry WHAT?
-Business Savvy (900CP) (Discount) -Seriously, how is this even still up.
-Voodoo Crap Magic (600CP) (Discount) -Well, for the right price.
-Genius (0CP) -LET THE GAMES BEGIN.
-Interdimensional Cable (Free) -Hey, you wanna see something cool?
-Concentrated Dark Matter (-100CP) -Oh look, it's a fuel source. For something.
-Cognition Amplifiers (-400CP) -Aaaaand I'm gonna turn you into something.
-Gymnophobe (-200CP)
-Wanted Man (0CP)
Dice Rolls: -
-End Choice: Next Adventure

Oh look, gymnophobe gives me free points for something I do TO BEGIN WITH. That was awfully nice of cats to do.

So apparently I'm the Devil now? Granted I've picked up enough demon-aligned perks that it would have been a thing to begin with, but now I'm like... actually legit the Devil, who can sell all kinds of weird crap. So that's a thing now. ...aaaand the Federation apparently hates the Devil. Wow, way to be racist, you guys.

I'll probably be one of those REALLY ANNOYING types, though. Not the kind that just curses items for giggles, but the kind that only sells you what you NEED. You want to lose weight? Enchanted running shoes, but you still gotta put the effort in and do a balanced diet. You want to be smarter? These glasses will help, but it only helps with memory retention. It's not going to instantly make you smarter, you still need to do the studying. NO PAIN, NO GAIN.

I'm sure there's going to be a lot of people who consider me a total asshole. But hey, I've got cognition amplifiers and I'm totally smart, too! I'll fit right in.
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>>46032796
Darkseid was killed by the Anti-Monitor, who used the Black Racer (aka Death) against Darkseid. Batman took over Meteron's chair after WW yanked Meteron off it. Meteron is God of Time & Knowledge. He literally sits on his chair and is a dick to everyone because he's all knowing. Well Batman tells Hal that Parademons are attacking Oa. He arrives too late, and to save Oa & the GLC he had to combine a Motherbox & his Power Ring. However as they say absolute power corrupts absolutely. He gave up the power afterwords.
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Okay, so my Dresden and Negima builds are too full for the magic immunity perks, so I need to stack others. So far I have the Ravenloft one and Magic Resistance as a Servant. Any others?
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>>46032872
Meet Bat God. He's a massive dick.

Telling Hal that he was a worthless loser, and his ring is the real hero.

Scaring the fuck out of Joe Chill, a mass murder that killed like 44 people. Same guy who killed his parents.

Took a guy that was going kill his wife, and was abusing her. He abducted him, took him to Wonder Woman's home island and told the Amazons the guy's story. That he'll be back for him, when they teach him a new perspective on women.
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>>46032942
In fairness, it's Hal. Not exactly the best Lantern out there.
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>>46032942
Doesn't quite sound like a dick.
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>>46032872
So is there any reason I shouldn't combine my Power Ring and Motherbox?

Since I secretly approve of lewd things
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>>46032689
And thanks to some help I was able to recover the update for the Libriomancer Jump.

Just from skimming over it it looks like Flow of Magic has been removed and I think Hivemind might have had a little change. Posting for your convenience.
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>>46032819
Red is a genie confirmed.
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>>46032942

He sounds alright. Getting things done.
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>>46032872
I think that's more "Hal is irresponsible and easily corrupted" more than anything.
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>>46033005
Picture explains the Hal thing.

>>46033010
Well probably nothing because you're not HAL JORDAN. Also the ring you buy and the Motherbox you buy aren't as powerful as the real deal.

The Motherbox that Hal had, already fused with every ring type. Except for White. He just added his personal ring and his personal will to temporarily become God of Light.
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>>46033048
Real question, though. I seem to be at a creative dead end, but what are some practical uses of high libriomancy? I just cant seem to think of much at all.
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>>46033134
It's a solid short cut for whatever you need. Just grab yourself a few artist perks, and stack your writing with them. Then write a novel with whatever solution you need for the problem at hand, and use your charisma to make the novel seem appealing.

That should work for nearly anything.
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>>46033069
Anyone who's seen my Disney build and my Viking Saga build has been made aware long ago that I love doing genie-esque antics. And maybe using it to screw over evil people who wish for open-ended things like 'infinite power'.
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>>46033134
Pull the spell Merlin used to make Demonreach out of the Dresden booksM
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>>46033183
>spoiler
I think for that one I'd just give the wisher a lifetime multiverse subscription to Nintendo Power.
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>>46033198
?*
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>>46033179
Doesn't using your own novels screw you up?
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>>46033206
SEE. SEE SHIT LIKE THAT. THAT IS EXACTLY THE SHIT I WOULD PULL.

You're cool, anon.
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>>46029122
Compared to the regular magic of the setting which requires knowledge of specific magical formula and time to cast, Signs are weaker but can be casted far quicker using only one hand and a bit of concentration. I went with just being able to pallet swap any current human form, but you could use it as an altform if you want. And in the books only three in ten survived the trial of grasses, with other magic or alchemy perks and years of work you could probably get that number down to an acceptable level.
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>>46033228
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>>46033198
I'm pretty sure the char thing would fuck you up gud for trying to pull something of that magnitude considering how absurdly advanced Demonreach is.
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>>46033249
Use the pen or the cane?
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>>46032942
>First spoiler
The truth hurts.
>Second spoiler
Guy had it coming. If Bat God didn't kill him or tear his mind apart the dude got off easy.
>Third spoiler
Seems fair to me.
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Do devil fruits count as an item that you could duplicate using minecrafts cheat mode?
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>>46033249
Use >>46033179 to write a macguffin that lets you avoid char.

There ya go.
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>>46033256
The pen or the cane aren't complete fixes, and considering Demonreach is capable of holding countless things stronger than 6 freaking Skinwalkers (which are essentially corrupted demigods) I'd honestly say trying to whip the 2nd Magic out of a book would be easier-and still nigh-impossible.
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>>46033272
Should be. It's possible to make artificial Devil Fruits, so they're not unique. Only the code for Zoan fruits has been cracked so far, but it's in theory possible to mass-produce others.
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>>46033281
I thought everything generates char to some extent or other. I figured some sort of magical thermodynamics-like rule would prevent you from making a sufficiently effective charproofer without racking up an excessive amount of char based on what I remember of the notes
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>>46033321
Wouldn't have to be charproof, it could be a charsink. It could just absorb and push the char somewhere else.
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>>46033303
Ok i can work with that. Do you think giving myself multiple stomachs would allow me to eat multiple devil fruits?
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>>46033364
Nah, seems kinda sketchy; seems pretty clear the char's even that would generate some local char near you. Anyway we're talking about something of Demonreach's magnitude which would frankly rack up such a charsplosion I'd honestly rather spend thousands of years trying to create my own Demonreach that waste time messing with the books.
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>>46033381
I highly doubt it.
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>>46033430
So we're back to square one. What is a good use for it?
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>>46033179
>>46033281
Doesn't work. Regular Libriomancy already has some bad mental effects, but doing it with something you wrote basically guarantees you'll get possessed or have your mind fucked with in general.

There's probably a way of negating the side effects throughout the chain, but that's asking even more of him.
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>>46033381
No. Devil Fruits don't transfer the powers to you upon being digested, they transfer powers upon entering your body. You don't even have to eat the whole thing, just a bit will do it. Having multiple stomachs wouldn't make it any different from having one.
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So I've only watched the anime, and I was wondering: what can High-Speed Divine Words do other than Caster's flight, teleportation, and beamspam?
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>>46033451
I honestly have no idea myself, man; if I'd had an answer I'd have told you upfront. It's why I haven't really bothered with the stuff.

Collect novelty stamps easier, I dunno.
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>>46033495
A lot of stuff that other magus can, but better. It's basically a straight up better form of magecraft.
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>>46033451
I don't know that there is much of one. Unless you're a jumper who's barely speccing into magic and wanted it as a stop-gap measure. Otherwise, Jumpers can replicate anything that won't unduce massive Char.
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>>46033495
DEEN/Stay night or UBW? Because in the latter she spatially locks Archer in one place. She also whips a Bounded Field basically akin to a foggy subdimension to trap Shirou & the gang. She buffs Kuzuki to be buff and fast enough to beat down Saber; even if Shirou's a shitty magus a normal human beating down a combat-spec'd Servant is still an extremely impressive feat.

She created another Bounded Field on that one temple which enhances all her powers within. I forgot if she used Rule Breaker or HSDW, but she did hijack the Grail system enough to summon her own Assassin. In one of the LN's bad ends she amputates Shirou's limbs and turns him into a Mystic Code to tremendously buff her projection/reinforcement skills. She did some mind control stuff that briefly bamboozled Shirou early on. And while this took place in Prisma illya, from what I understand the Servants there are actually just weaker, and she still set up hundreds of vector-repelling magical forcefields around herself in midair.

Oh, and according to Nasu given enough time and resources, she could've constructed a Bounded Field on par with a Reality Marble.
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>>46033048
Dammit. I wish he'd have just changed it to let you teach magic to others. That's what I wanted from this jump since I first saw it.
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>>46026575
I think its Aion
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>>46033381
No, because applying science to magic shounen pirate fruit is an exercise in futility. Besides a few animals have eaten the fruits, and they only seem capable of chowing down one apiece.
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>>46033584
>>46033514
Ohkay, thanks.

Damn, now I'm tempted to get it, even thought it completely goes against the theme of my Servant build.
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Speaking of HSDW-I've been told the Servant ranking in it merely measures your knowledge, not your raw power. So-how does one weight the raw power of an HSDW user if buying it at EX rank would merely give you a ton of knowledge?
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>>46033682
The amount of mana you have, I guess?
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>>46033658
There are two jumps you can get a servant in, so you could skip it in one of them and get it in the other. In the regular Fate Jump I imported Hooligan Tuesday as a rider and didn't give her it, because it would both be out of place with a rider, and because I have never seen Tuesday as a magic type, but got it for myself in Fate Extra.
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>>46033473
>>46033640
Ok thanks.
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>>46033451
Pulling small items out for a shoet period of time. Or throwing out spells from books. Pull out the speed potion from excellorator and a shiwld from dune with a ray gun from startrek. Stop time shoot belt and run you have 20 minutes of timestop.
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>>46033700
You can only use the supplement once, though. If you're a Servant in the second jump, you just keep your first build.
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>>46033708
The hell is excellerator? Why would you bother using the books for timestop and worry about char instead of just using an actual timestop ability? What's wrong with your grammer?
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>>46033739
No you can only use the supplement once for yourself. You can get two servants each using the supplement. You just can't use it twice yourself, or I think use it twice on the same companion.
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>>46033782
I'm still trying to decode this ancient and alien script he has deigned to write in, but just assuming someone already has Time Stop or will go to a place that offers some form of it soon is really fucking stupid.
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>>46033815
That's what I meant. I'm just shit at phrasing, apparently.
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>>46033782
You asked for uses I gave you canon things that happen and fuck you my grammar is fine this isn't some english class.
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>>46033815
I'm pretty sure I asked Val about this way back, and the answer was a resounding "one Servant template per person" not companions having special dispensation. I'll ask her again if I catch her on the chat sometime though, if she doesn't see this query in thread
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>>46033854
I wasn't the guy who asked for uses originally. And the vast majority of 4chan doesn't type like a drunken 5th grader.

>>46033842
That's a fair point. I'm just unsure because timestops are generally things you need to activate very quickly so I'm not sure if leafing through a book for one is the best use
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>>46033855
That's what I was saying anon, that it's only one use per person. That you can use it twice but not for the same person.
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>>46033896
Ok here is the problem you don't seem to understand. You do not need to find the page to pull out an item, you dont even need to open the cover but it helps. Char will destroy thr book long before it burns you unless you are using it with high libriomancy. I try to explain this shit but I made 2 fucking spelling mistakes big ficking woop. If you don't like the damn thing dont take it.
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>>46033905
Oh, sorry. I thought you were saying you could use it twice to give a companion 2 Servant builds for some reason.
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>>46033896
The vast majority of 4chan are raving faggots. You and me included.
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>>46033947
No argument here, I mean only the other day some fucker was saying my waifu was shit. Most of us, him included, are literate faggots though.
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>>46033782
I don't see a problem other than a couple words are screwed, they are probably on mobile. My phone does the same thing.
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>>46033247
You're awesome.

Anyhow. Another build. It's... I don't know.

(Spice and Wolf)
-Background: Little God (800CP) -Shutupshutupshutupshutup.
-Imposing Presence (700CP) -I'm something of a memorable person.
-Little God (Free) -I happen to have purview of the forest.
-Respect of the Divine (Free) -...oh. Oh dear.
-An Experienced Eye (600CP) (Discount) -Nothing escapes my eye.
-Aesthetic of the Gods (400CP) (Discount) -AND I'M SO PRETTY.
-Barrel of Apples (Free) -APPLES!
-Exceptional Wine (300CP) (Discount) -Mmyeeees, plenty of drink.
-Royal Title (0CP) -Not that I'll announce it, I just like having it.
Dice Rolls: Yoitsu, 24 years old
-End Choice: Next Adventure

This kind of brings up a conundrum I've been having for some time? And one I've gotten shit over for a long time too, considering the "lol god" thing.

I'm fascinated by the divine, the things that people call 'godhood'. Maybe it's just me romanticizing the concept since we see it in stories a lot, maybe it's the innate regal appearance or mythical stature we attribute to it. Maybe my enjoyment for mythology is just too much. But I really like the IDEA of gods. Something about them just kind of gets my mind going. Hell, I've been toying with writefagging a bunch of theories on how worship works, what the definition of 'divine' means in regards to them, thoughts on what it means to be a god, etc.

But at the same time... I've always been scared of what would happen if I up and tried to become one. Would I go crazy with the power? Would I lose touch with people? Become some horrible elitist snob who's above 'puny mortals'? That shit scares me. I have no guarantee it would happen, but I have no guarantee it WOULDN'T happen.

Yet we run into the major predicament of Jumpchain: You're only in a setting for ten years. That's not a lot of time to sit down and do all the research needed, to start really plumbing the depths of secrets beyond mortality.

(1/2)
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>>46033982
Would it help for you to think of yourself as a Little SPIRIT instead?

Seriously, there's places where the distinction between demon and god is more political than anything.
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>>46033982
(2/2)

The only true way to guarantee such subject matter is around is... bringing it with you. One way or another. I was able to dodge the bullet to an extent in Valkyrie Profile (and depending on your definition of 'divine', places like Evangelion) by collecting the parts/knowledge of construction and just working off of that. But for places like the Fate setting, complex/sketchy versions (like Asura's Wrath/Lord of Light), or places where it's impossible to simply 'collect' a sample and be done with it (like Mushoku Tensei or Percy Jackson), the only real way is to... well. Grab the perks yourself and commence self-study.

Which, that puts me in a really weird position! I keep insisting my jumper is not a god, yet they've collected enough pieces and divine blood perks that there's... something. I'm not sure what it is yet, but it's something. Not to mention with the latest World of Warcraft lore update METZEEEEEEEEN and the Well of Eternity bit, that mucks up the waters even MORE. The matter of necessity in collecting such things due to my goal in wanting to understand how gods work and potentially be able to turn anyone into them has put me in a spot that I'm not quite sure how to clarify due to personal concerns.

...oh, right. This was a Spice and Wolf build. Fuck. Um, I run around being a sneaky person who enjoys wine and food with people who go into the forest? SHIT I DON'T KNOW.
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>>46033982
No fluffy Tail? It's free too Red. You could even get yourself a nice bunny tail with it.
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>>46034000
True but this is Red "I can't handle being center of attention" Demon God. Not a normal demon. She would probably drop spaghetti at the first sign of actually being called a god.
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>>46034001
>collected enough pieces and divine blood perks that there's... something

Well...you could just keep on calling yourself a demon? Kiara's a demon even though she kinda ate some goddesses in CCC.

You could also identify as a quasi-titan since you're technically the caretaker/spiritual symbiote of an entity that may or may not one day grow up to be one.

>>46034043
She can be the demon god of shy NEETs, then. Her purview will involve dropping spaghetti and playing vidya indoors.
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>>46034043
Actually, didn't she say somone started a church or cult around her once?
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>>46033451
Take a d&d manual and pull out a ring of 3 wishes. Those got unlocked and you can find ones that never got locked. Use the ring then put it back. Libriomancy is a bullshit series for jumpchain because it is just a power grab from settings we don't have. Want to grow your own super sayan? Get a book with dbz in it and pull out a sayan hair then clone it. It happens in book 3 and 1 with magic races they just clone them to do what they want.
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>>46034043
>She would probably drop spaghetti at the first sign of actually being called a god.
YOU DON'T KNOW THAT. NONE OF YOU KNOW THAT. I HAVE YET TO SEE PROOF ERGO THAT IS A FALSE CLAIM AND I DEMAND YOU TURN IN YOUR BADGE AT ONCE Oh who the fuck am I kidding, you're probably right.

>>46034042
Nope. Not going bunny. There has been too much bun. Besides, others do bunny way better than me.

>>46034000
...you know. Spirit might work, actually. I mean all things considered. Also I still have no idea what to do about having so many Wells in the Garden. Seriously, I could fill a few Olympic Swimming Pools by now.
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>>46033982
>>46034001

How about. You stop letting shitfaces like Tera, with their "WHY DO YOU NOT CONSIDER YOURSELF DOUBLE OMEGA GOD," get to you. Unfortunately easier said than done, I know, but it seems like part of your bit here is because of assholes being assholes.

I mean I can understand the rest of it, just not sober enough to discuss it at the moment.
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>>46034128
See, this is why you need companions man. Now you don't have anyone to throw your jumpchain anniversary pool parties with other than Omoikane, the weird buff pixie things hanging around your Garden, possibly a few sapient pearhood trees if you have those planted somewhere and-oh nevermind.

The point is-you clearly have enough people to throw some bitchin' pool parties with barbeques on the side. Just have to install some sort of wooden waterslide, spiritual whirlpools, astral floating bouncy castles and conceptual jacuzzis in there.

Or you could just open the multiverse's most exotic hot springs resort using excess water from the safer pools-especially the non-Felwater ones. Which-y'know what, sounds terribly evolutionary, don't do that actually.

Um. Also ice sculptures?
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>>46034128
You cannot escape being the bunny. It is your fate, your destiny, your nature. You can no more run from it than you can run from the act of running itself.
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>>46034220
Her posts don't seem to be as serious as you're taking them.
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So, uh, I used the Stand Generator from last thread and got this:
Stand Name: Shot Through the Heart

Stand Ability: [Exoskeleton](http://powerlisting.wikia.com/wiki/Exoskeleton)

Power - C

Speed - A

Range - B

Durability - D

Precision - C

Potential - D

Description: The ability to create armor around the user's body from energy or matter. A sub-power of Constructs Creation. The user can form armor around their body or a shape it from matter or energy for protection and physical boost. With training, the user could shape the armor into new forms for weapons, transportation, even constructs of the energy/matter.

Any good? I assume it lets your Stand manifest as armor and maybe assimilate material from around you into it?
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>>46034411
Normally my advice would be not to use sites like that to generate ideas for you but that...actually sounds pretty neat. Reminds me of that guy who could turn iron nails into homing balloon animals.
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>>46034411
Sounds like you've got the right idea. I'm not sure how useful the ability is considering the stand's low-end durability.
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>>46034220
Pft, Double Omega God? That's peanuts old man.

Any Jumper worth their salt nowadays is a Quintuple Omega Mega Super Duper Pooper Scooper College Ramen Maximum Over Krypto-Saiyan God Maximum Over Krypto-Saiyan 5.

Get outta here with that weaksauce stuff.
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>>46034433
Can I give it E or D range (since I only need it on my body, anyway) and buff the Durability way higher?
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>>46034423
I just really don't know what's acceptable. The ability would be easy enough to come up with, but I don't know about stats.
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>>46034433
>>46034446

That sounds fine-although, what you could do is leave it as it is, and have it be a Bound Stand that manifests solely through the armour you create, so you worry less about durability since you're effectively "borrowing" the durability of the stuff you make armour from

>>46034442
>Super Duper Pooper
>College Ramen

Too OP, pls nerf
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>>46028822
>>46028883
>>46028928
>>46029106
Do other races produce Blanks, or is that exclusively a human thing?
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>>46034490
As far as we know it's a human thing. In the Oldcrons lore, it was implied Necrons caused Blanks and Pariahs by fucking with our DNA sometime in the past (like how the Slaan fucked with Earth life to eventually lead to humans as a psyker race), but I think that got retconned by the Newcron fluff, so now humans have blanks because ???
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>>46034465
Okay. How about, the base Stand lets me draw in material around me to make armor, the Awakened ability lets me shapeshift the armor, and the Reqiuem ability lets me grow the armor to like 2-3 stories tall?
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>>46033048
So I have seen some comment on it, but i'll just ask now since it has been up for awhile.

With the changes (Few that they are) would you consider this finished?
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>>46034220
It was actually some other people? I mean yeah tera's easy to remember because name, but there's been plenty of other people who gave shit about it. Kind of why I've been iffy.

>>46034262
>Which-y'know what, sounds terribly evolutionary, don't do that actually.
You know what just because you said that I'm gonna do it. I probably already did, but you need to be of a certain requirement or three to get in so it doesn't horribly mutate you into weird magic-addict shit.

>>46034315
LIES AND SLANDER.
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>>46034576
Considering the creator outright ignored suggestions from the thread for the proposed replacement perk, I'd say no.

>>46034541
That sounds alright. I don't think Stands do multi-story stuff though; I'd suggest near-instant armor generation and creating multiple suits of armor you can freely control instead
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>>46034619
Alright, thanks.
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>>46034576
Yes.
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>>46034581
Dude, no, don't do it man. What happened to not Zoharing everyone on the street, appropriate criteria being met or no? Slippery slope, yo. This isn't gonna end well, remember what went down in Halo?

Just think about this-it only takes ONE frat boy super hyped to get superpowers AND a hot date doing something reckless with his newfound hydrokinesis or whatever, and you gonna get into a whole lotta trouble from the law.

You sure you ready to take responsibility for attuning some innocent country folks to alien sources of magic and expecting 'em to go back to their daily lives?
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>>46034576
Considering how the creator acted, I don't think he's gonna update it. So, yes.
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>>46034581
Fair enough - kinda meant it as an inclusive "these bitches along the lines of Tera's stupid shit," but again. Not too sober right now, prolly fucked something up.

>>46034705
Yeah yeah yeah, you're one to talk about slippery slopes. Your entire bloody existence is one.
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>>46034739
Trust a man whose been to hell to tell you about it.
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>>46034576
Yeah, it looks good. And it doesn't seem like the creator is planning on changing anything more.
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>>46034262
ASA all of my companions are mad scientists and doctor type's i didnt even realize until it was to late.
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>>46034791
And instead of following his own advice, he continues progressing.
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>>46034576
I say we put it in adoptions and let someone else take a crack at it
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>>46034910
Well yeah, all of the namefags and personalities are fucking hypocrites.

Why do you think I'm waiting for Toriko to make Hecatomb? It'll finally show some true colors.
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>>46034576
Trash it.
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>>46034939
Kindly fuck the fuck off and do not use my statements to springboard into your stupid bullshit.
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>>46034576
Dump it from drive altogether till he decides to fix it is my vote.
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>>46034576
Get rid of it.

After that guy's attitude with "lawl I was hoping powergamers would game the poll before nerfbitches" and his flimsiest excuses for things, I'd say it's not a good idea to let it reach the drive.

It's a Spacebattles work, first and foremost. If they want it, they can fucking well have it.
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>>46034910
Jump-chan sent him to hell, but he's going even deeper.
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>>46034576

It's fine as-is.

Would have been fine with Flow in as well, but it's not worth the nutjobs getting worked up.
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>>46034576
Leave it with the mlp jump. Off the drive.
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So, I've got a problem.
I've decided to do a reset and start a new chain, and with Pokemon I wanna go "canon" and have my entire team fit a theme.

The problem is, my favorite types are Ghost and Psychic. There is only a single Ghost/Psychic in all of Pokemon, and it's a god damn Legendary.
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>>46034576
Okay... there's a bunch of naysayers now, but I'm gonna say put it in Finished.

It's a perfectly good jump. Quite nice.

They're just butthurt because they didn't get their magic teaching perk. I would've liked it as well, but eh.
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>>46026463
>>46026479
If I am not mistaken this chapter somehow travels with the Jumper, so its not likely for them to come into any sort of scrutiny by the church.
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>>46034576
Put it in finished. Trashing something because someone was mean to you is pointless, petty, childish, and a poor precedent.
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>>46034939
I've yet to meet anyone who isn't a hypocrite in these parts. And Hecatomb's an end jump, ain't it? Don't imagine many folks would call it quits on a low note.

>>46034576
One vote for leaving it off.
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>>46034705
...wait when did I say I would just randomly start throwing people into pools?

I think you're seriously exaggerating the level I'd be doing things. Making a hot spring doesn't automatically mean I'm yanking people off the street for it.

>>46034939
Yes yes. We're all hypocritical assholes who can't possibly be anything than murderhobos, anons included. All waifus are shit, Hitler did nothing wrong, escapism is unhealthy, and that's what your mom said last night.
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>>46035042
More like the maker blatantly said he wanted to push a power grab.


>>46034576
Get rid of it.
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>>46035024
3 ghosts, 2 psychics, the legendary.
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>>46035085
And he gave up.
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>>46034576
He would not take criticism, would't answer questions, wouldn't try to fix things and admittee it was a powergrab. Let spacebattles have it.
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>>46035024
I'm assuming you're talking about Hoopa, mind you.

Apparently, Darkrai doesn't count as a proper Legendary for the purposes of the Hunted drawback. Darkrai is, as you know, a Mythical Pokemon. Hoopa also is a Mythical Pokemon.

So, if you don't want to wank that you somehow found and caught it, you can just buy it with the Out of Region Starter.
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>>46035076
It's less "was mean" and more "included stuff with no analogue and no sound basis at all from the jump canon based on personal bias" in my case.
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>>46035097
I was thinking 3 Psychics, 2 Ghosts, and then the Legendary.

Alakazam, Metagross, Gardevoir or Gallade, Gengar, and either Sableye or Aegislash.

Less Ghosts than there are Pyshcics anyway.


>>46035145
Huh, thanks. And yeah, it was Hoopa, only Ghost/Psychic.
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>>46034576
Let him come and ask to have it put up toll then keep it down.
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>>46035085
>More like the maker blatantly said he wanted to push a power grab.

Actually, he was clear that it was just a 'neat idea' he had.

Him being stupid later was a dumb overreaction to the thread being shizophrenic - initially total support, turning to vitriolic hate when the other viewpoint arrived.

Nobody has even managed one example of how Flow is even broken.

Here's an example of it being powerful: In DnD, you could combine Wizard casting with Sorcerer casting, taking the strengths of both - that has canon support in the form of the Geomancer.

Now, for almost every other magic system, defining "strength" and "weakness" is basically an exercise in inventing them yourself, because few settings are that detailed on the basic mechanics of their magic. So it's exactly as powerful as the individual reader thinks it is appropriate to be.
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>>46035084
We're 700 threads later and you're not used to ASA going "WHOA SLOW DOWN" to literally everybody's shit?

He's basically that old grand-dad telling you to slow down when you're driving ten miles an hour in an empty parking lot.
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>>46035191
This is just my opinion and all, but I never argued against Flow for being broken but rather because it was based on his own fanwank rather than an actual feat in-series like Conjoined Conjures.

It's kinda irrelevant at this point anyway, since the perk's been taken out of the latest doc. Though considering he had the nerve to outright say he hoped the "powerwankers" would give him support in the poll I can't say that excuses him at all.
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>>46035191
Sure nobody had problems. Until the entire thread did. Oh and mixing all magic at once then teaching it to anyone was always broken.
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The jump is completely balanced now, the one thing people were bitching about is gone. You guys are just being petty dicks for the sake of being petty dicks.
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>>46035085
>>46035117
>>46035148
Except he removed the relevant Perk when we reacted negatively to it.

You're complaning about nothing at this point.
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>>46035248
>just being petty dicks for the sake of being petty dicks

So was the guy who made the jump, what's your point?
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>>46035242
>Canonicity

That's a reasonable argument against it.

Wait... I think we had this discussion yesterday. Hello!
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>>46035279
And did he ask or say anything to anyone or did he just drop the jump and take off without a word? He couldn't be assed to answer a question in the first place why should his jump get in if he did not answer questions the first time he was here?
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>>46035169
I went the opposite because I like ghosts better.
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>>46035295
The point is that he followed the rules. He posted it in the thread first and fixed the parts that were criticised. You have no basis for removing it from the drive other than because you don't like the guy.
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>>46035279
I imagine the objections partially come from the dude's conduct not being a good precedent to include as an example of jumps for future prospective writers. Personally I'm objecting on the grounds of Libriomancy being too meta even with the char thing to account for, but I realise I'm in the minority for that opinion.

>>46035313
Wasn't here yesterday, but I remember hi explaining his reasoning for it.

I certainly don't remember any consensus for it being a REASONABLE argument given unlike CC it wasn't based on an actual feat but on the dude's conjecture.
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>>46035279
They're basically saying "He said a mean thing about us so we should overreact and ban him."
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>>46035350
He never fixed anything is the problem.
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>>46035191
Sequence of events:

1. Normal crowd that likes jumps was fine with it.

2. Someone pointed out the option was a bit wonky.

3. Crowd of screamers who hate everything and mistreat jumpmakers arrived, screamed and stomped their feet forever.
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>>46035355
>>46035404

For the record, I want to emphasise that while I'm objecting to the jump's inclusion I'm doing so on the basis of having argued against libriomancy-and again, I'm aware this is just my opinion and all-as a concept from the very beginning, not from any beef with the due who made it.
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>>46035396
He removed the problem option as you insisted.
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Oh boy, time for another shit-throwing session.

Let me grab my umbrella.
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>>46035404
As a part of the "normal crowd that likes jumps" who didn't like this one from the start, I don't appreciate your attempt to claim everyone has to be from a specific school of thought just because they hold an opinion.

>>46035438
I'd keep it stowed just a little longer, at least even the folks disagreeing with me aren't resorting to ad hominem alone just yet.
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>>46035421
That argument failed. Failed arguments need to be dropped instead of being used to start fights forever.
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>>46035396
Except he did fix the biggest problem (Flow of Magic) people had with it.

It would have been better if he took the suggestions given instead of just removing it, but it was still fixing it.
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>>46035351
>Personally I'm objecting on the grounds of Libriomancy being too meta even with the char thing to account for, but I realise I'm in the minority for that opinion.

In this case I think that falls under "just don't jump it".

Lots of people use variant jumps anyway - as characters, or with only one powerset and so on, so "meta" is only relevant for a vanilla run.

Libriomancy would be pretty good for a one-jump-powerset-only run. You could use the CP cost of abilities in other jumps to gauge the char/difficulty, assuming you could even find a large enough readerbase.

And it'd make some jumps really difficult, such as ones without mass market media - you'd only have whatever items you'd already pulled through.

>>46035404

Pretty much.
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>>46035486
Then how about this, we get a list of the most basic questions people have been asking and put it up and if he can be assed to answer them it goes up? If he can't then he obviously has no interest. All this jump has done is stir shit and the only people not hurling insults are those saying please trash it.
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>>46034576
It's good as is. Let's not set a precedent.
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>>46035535
He's not obligated to answer your questions, actually. That's never, ever been a requirement. Don't be petty just because he was an asshole. That's not a good reason to ban something rules compliant.
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Not to add fuel to the fire, but is Libriomancer a good series? Been looking for some good modern fantasy after finding out the local bookstore doesn't have the first few Dresden books in stock (and fuck if I'm reading a book on my computer).
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>>46035582
Oh? A maker never has to answer questions? Im sorry This is the first time I have ever heard that one. Still he wanted to post his jump here from spacebattles if he wants it on drive he should answer what people ask.
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>>46035582
...I rally want to argue against that, but then again Tsukihime is on the drive despite the MEoDP fiasco so in spite of my feelings on the matter I have to admit objectively,there's that for precedent in your favor.
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>>46035597

Yeah, it's not bad - if you think you'd like Dresden, you'll probably like this as well.

>>46035614

If we answer questions, it's as a courtesy. There is no obligation, though it's nicer.

You keep emphasising the spacebattles thing, as though it is Other and therefore he is a foreign devil.
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>>46035582
Then let it stay on spacebattles where the maker is.
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>>46035651
This isn't a rational argument. It's not even an argument.
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>>46035535
He already stuck around and answered stuff when he first posted it. I can't exactly snap my fingers and get him to come back here.

Also, I haven't insulted a single person this entire conversation, and I am squarely on the side of letting it on the drive.
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In the Civ jump can I import other races to act as the people of other race leaders I.E The Queen with kryptonians?
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>>46035582

Really? As long as it's rules compliant, I don't have to care about what people say? That's good to know.

Serious. It fills me with motivation to make things, knowing I don't have to pay attention to the constant bitching and moaning in these threads.
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>>46035703
That anon meant in the sense of "I want to know what happens if I take this power to Worm to fight Scion!" rather than "This power is broken and doesn't make sense."
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Time for a Jump!

Jump 14: Generic Fighting Game

Age: 18, Male (Rolled)
Location: U.S.A. (Rolled)
Background: Drop-In

Perks:
+ Everybody was Kung Fu Fighting (Free)
+ Taunt (Free)
+ Block (Free)
+ Energy Bar (Free)
+ Open Bar (Free)
+ Multi-Player Mode (500 CP)
+ Divekick (700 CP)
+ COMBO BREAKER (850 CP)
+ Cherry Tap Taunt (950 CP)

Items:
+ Iconic Outfit (Free)
+ Passport (Free)
+ Money (1000 CP)
+ Manager (1100 CP)

Drawbacks:
+ Joke Character (1000 CP)

Story:
Certainly something different from what I've done so far. It's actually rather a nice break after the Borderlands Jump. A rather normal world if one doesn't consider their fixation of Ultimate Warrior Combat. It is rather interesting to see what a world looks like with Combatants as celebrities instead of Hollywood actors. Advertisements feature the most popular ones and some even star in movies or television series based on their exploits.
Tak experiments with her PAK and secondary memories, somehow reducing their effect on her actions thanks to the backup brain in the PAK. It's hard to tell the precise effects without experiencing it myself, but she seems to be largely unchanged by her background. The rest of us choose Drop In so we wouldn't have to deal with them this time around.
The first two years are spent establishing us as a combat team equal to anyone out there currently. Thanks to my drawback, most people didn't take us seriously, even with my impressive win-loss ratio. So I hosted a tournament of my own, an open invitation that took up most of the third year. Anyone who could beat their way past all my Companions would get to face me for a grand prize of several million dollars. I charged a modest entrance fee and simply tossed it on top of the pot. Participation included just about anybody who was anyone. Few ever fought their way up to challenge me, but those that did proved an excellent challenge.
[1/2]
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>>46035680
As someone who's been opposing its' inclusion on the drive in a civil manner, I have to admit >>46035641 is kinda convincing me to let it on. Only problematic thing I can think of is possibly the vampire 1000 CP import that could potentially give you an Antedeluvian altmode, but then again like MEoDP I suspect anyone willing to wank it that far would get chewed out in practice.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, in spite of my original stance on the matter I can't think of a coherent argument to not put it on the drive at the moment.
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>>46035703

That's the spirit!

But really, yeah - the loudest cries are the loneliest.

You can also pretty much just ignore any criticism that doesn't come with rationale, because it's just a useless emotional signal and doesn't improve things.
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>>46035753
Are you the guy who doesn't like the concept or one of the people who doesn't want it because the guy was mean? First anon was civil, rest have been all over the place.
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>>46035680
Actually no he didn't he showed up maybe 2 times in 8 hours and answerred 3 questions while other anons answered everything about the series.
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>>46035808
As was pointed out, that's just a product of forum behavior rather than an intentional attempt to spite you.
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>>46035808
...Fair enough. Still, he answered so sporadically because he's used to forums. He tried.
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>>46035871
Anon this is a forum. He could see all the posts. He picked 3 out of 30 and answerred them then refused to do any more.
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>>46035750
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At the end of the year, I announced the tournament closed, saying that I would reopen it in six years to any who wanted a second chance. The intervening years were spent travelling the world and attending tournaments roughly once a month. The invitations were coming to me now that the world was taking me seriously. I did not win everything as several of my Companions learned to beat me down quite easily due to the restrictions I had placed on my own powers.
I held the tournament as I said I would on my ninth year. The world had another 365 days to try and take my rather substantial cash pile for their own. They failed, but I suspect that had more to do with luck rather than skill in the end. One opponent, a young man who had entered into the first tournament and lost, came back with a vengeance that would have suited a Guy Fawks mask. In the end, he lost the match due to a technicality, tripping in the final moments of the bout I was losing against him and breaking his leg. In the end, I paid for his medical bills and split the money between him and a charity of his choice. It looked good in the press, but he still hated me for it.
There's not much more to say about my time here. As entertaining and relaxing as it was, it was also a rather Bland Jump. Like reruns of a favorite show on TV. It gave me time to think between the matches, to mull over what I really wanted. My priorities were shifting with each decade and I wasn't sure exactly what I wanted anymore. I never did manage to answer myself before the Jump was over and I was faced with the decision once again. I decided to keep going, if for no other reason than to be with my friends and explore what this weird universe had to offer.
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>>46035800
I'm the guy who didn't like the concept. Whenever these kinds of arguments come up I trust reason over my gut if only because I feel I owe it to myself to encourage others to explain their own points of view instead of just retaliate and to avoid my personal bias getting in the way.

Even if I personally have grave reservations, like in this case, I'll concede the point of someone makes a better one.
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>>46035871
He can still answer more than 3 anon is right. My problem is that it's an infinite use infinicon wonder.
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>>46034739
I'm pretty sure that was meant to be an in-character moment since, well, he DID pitch the idea in the first place. So the response is how ASA the character thinks while ASA the anon probably thinks it's groovy since I've seen him help other folks brainstorm stuff in the past.
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>>46034576
Let Spacebattles have it.
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>>46036179
See, I originally objected to the jump on this very premise but-the thing about char and the thing about the things you pull out of the book being magical constructs rather than the genuine article seems to me more like its a really complex form of Nasu's projection with nasty, nasty backlash effects if you try to abuse it.

So if you tried to get Infinicon wonder-tier stuff you'd just hurt yourself and probably end up with a huge mess to boot.
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>>46036271
Exactly. You try to munchkin this shit and you get fucked over. Personally, I'm not even touching Libriomancy, since it's pretty useless to me. I'll probably go Sorcerer or maybe become a classic Stoker vamp or something.
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>>46036271
See that is also a problem. In canon you can pull a lot out, the post above about pulling super sayan dna out and cloning them? Thats canon. Something similar happens on 2 seperate occasions. And yes char is a problem but char goes away after a time, you can destroy a book with char and in a decade or two its right back to normal. And if you use mediums to get around it you can do more. Some of the things locked behind gutenburgs locks are world enders the size of a penny. Also a problem is as long as you pull something out you can copy it as many times as you want and it will still work after you return the original.
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>>46032819
>Oh look, gymnophobe gives me free points for something I do TO BEGIN WITH.

Frequently get tricked by people who use nudity as part of a ruse?
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>>46035702

Answer please?
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>>46036476
I don't understand the question.
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>>46036358
You can't use manga, though. You want to use a bunch of perks and tech and skills from other jumps and combine them to make your own super popular series with some super powerful thing you can pull out of a book, go ahead. If you want to make broken combos and wank your way to Omnipotence, that's fine.

The power alone doesn't make you some super ultra mega God, though, so it's fine.
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>>46036358
...ouch. I was under the impression complexity and value of objects withdrawn mattered as much as sheer size, but Saiyan DNA withdraws sound pretty damning. I'd figured given the potential energy output of Saiyan DNA you yourself would be hit by basically a spirit bomb of char trying to pick it out.

Could you eleaborate on exactly what went down in the canon example?

As I mentioned earlier, I'm open to reason so if anyone wants to explain why you can't just print off Saiyan fan fiction and market it to acquire DNA samples I'm all ears.
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>>46036507

The same way the jumper can import a race as his own in the Civ Jump can it also be done for the other civilizations in jump
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>>46036523
Not him, but if the guy I just responded to was right apparently you wouldn't even need other perks, just a printer and a world where nobody has heard of Goku but where the printing press is a thing. I figured trying to grab that shit would drown you in char, though
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>>46036585
Well 2 versions in canon, the first was a nymph from a book, they pulled out her acorn and she was a person in the real world that just had to be a happy go luck mindbroken slave to her partner physically and mentally. Its pretty fucked up. The second was a group of living hypercomputers, they pulled out some cells and cloned her a couple hundred times for magic living super computers who looked like normal women whith a 24/7 hivemind ftl uplink and superstrength among other traits. You don't need to pull a full thing out just the dna.
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>>46036695
I mean, the other guy could be right about Saiyan DNA causing char. Neither of those are anywhere near the level of planet-busting godlike DNA or anything.
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>>46036779
Get kid goku dna. He wasn't much stronger than normal people as a child.
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>>46036695
Well...that is pretty damning as evidence against it, I won't lie. I was thinking of individual Saiyan DNA samples rather than entire saiyans actually; at this point >>46036779 is the main argument convincing me to include it. We're these feats performed effortlessly or after lots of prep time?

For the sake of argument, wouldn't the Saiyan traits the book-DNA would grant you technically be magical constructs too and incur their own costs? Might you INITIALLY have almost no char affecting you, but the moment you try to go Super Saiyan you just burn up from the strain of magical effects being brought into reality taking their toll?
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>>46036779
>>46036850
DNA is DNA. "Kid DNA" isn't any weaker than "adult DNA." Moreover, given that DNA is largely just information, code, there's no reason it'd cause char. It can't, in and of itself, make someone a Saiyan, or a whatever. It's just the blueprint for how one is made.
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>>46036850
His DNA had all his potential in it, though.

And he's much stronger than normal people. Bullets are bee stings to him. It's just that humans in DBZ have the potential to train to ridiculous planet busting levels too, so even a moon buster like Roshi was stronger than baby him (who was a runt for a saiyan anyway.)
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>>46036875
Personally (and I'm aware this, as a statement, is gonna be called stupid) my main beef with Libriomancer is - it pretty much nullifies the need for an Items page.

Like, I feel like I'm wasting time making items for this jump if Libriomancer makes it through.
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>>46036948
Can't your item be enchanted and stuff and not just magical constructs?
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>>46036695
Actually, this is something that's been bothering me for some time.

Is Ki genetic? Is there a marker that gives a being Ki? Or is it just something being alive gets you in the DB universe? Generic life force seems more spiritual than biological to me, so I never really got why people made such a big deal about getting Saiyan samples through meta stuff.

Honestly, I'm not really arguing for anything. I just want clarification from someone who knows more about DB.
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>>46036948
Most items are already pretty irrelevant anyway, considering like 80% of them can easily be stolen and/of replicated. And with Libriomancy, you can only have a few active at a time and you have to power them off of your own energy.
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>>46036393
Ha ha ha, very funny. I mean more getting squeamish by the idea of nakedness. Something about it just really grosses me out.
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>>46037006
I assume it's genetic. Goku and Ginyu's power level swapped when they swapped bodies, after all. If it was your spiritual life force, I'd think it would move between bodies with you.
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>>46036948
You're not entirely wrong. Libromancer makes alot of things unnecessary. It arguably does as much for many of the perks in /jc/.

Having said that, there are advantages to things bought in a jump that you wouldn't get from pulling from cheesemancer. Items often refill, regenerate, or find their way back into your possession if lost. Similarly, there are perks and magics that aren't things, as such, that you can't pull out of a book.

I'm still of the opinion that it should be a stand alone CYOA and not a Jump, but we're past that now. That in mind, I get your apathy about putting things into jumps moving forward but not everyone is going to take this jump and you shouldn't build your jump with other jumps in mind.
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>>46037006
I dunno, it seems like some species are just naturally gifted with ki.

Like, humans are naturally gifted with manipulating ki. It says that in DBO I believe. Humans have tons of potential and are good at using ki to do what they want, but they don't start with a natural instinct for using it. Saiyans on the other hand, are born sort of institutionally using Ki, as are most ki-using races. Then there are those soldiers frieza has who have to use blasters because they can't shoot ki. So it seems like it does have a genetic component to being able to use it.
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>>46036948
Jumps are built in a vacuum, though. Plenty of things make plenty of other things in other jumps irrelevant.
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>>46037027
Waitaminit. The jumper who has spent Central Americas GDP in CP on appearance perks gets squeamish about nakedness? So, is it nakedness in general or something else in particular.
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>>46037006
It's genetic seeing as how Cell was created just by combining the genetics of various powerful beings. Also there are some unusual genetic abilities in DBZ like Zenkai, the ability of Saiyans to become far stronger after they recover from near fatal injuries.
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>>46037041
I don't think we're past that at all; Brutus hasn't made a decision yet for one. I'm civilly discussing the validity of the jump along with others and I'm glad we've moved on from ad hominems to actually giving our points of view on the thing.

>>46036948
This too was my original stance on the matter. However, the more I thought about it a) as magical constructs it stands to reason that in accordance with the no limits fallacy extremely exotic or conceptual effects would probably either not be capable of being reproduced with Libriomancy or incur an unfeasible char cost. Which brings me to b): That each thing you bring into being would effectively be a sunk cost on your Libriomantic magic pool if I understand the char concept correctly, and so an items section would have the advantage of freeing you up to project other objects rather than risk overcharring your brain. Or as >>46037041 said the regen/refill aspects of CP purchases sometimes come into play

In short, Libriomancy, like Projection, is versatile but by no means a free lunch and I would assume in-universe limits would apply to attempting to do things like recreate an infinity gem or somesuch.

>>46037088
In all fairness, off the top of my head the only jump that explicitly enables replication of fictional objects is Infinicon-which is generally agreed to be a bad idea.
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>>46037145
It seems a bit Lamarckian, though. Considering that Goten and (present) Trunks sort've naturally turn super saiyan for no reason other than that their dads had achieved it before their conception.
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>>46036948

Items pages aren't really needed anyway after a point - if they aren't noncanon content, then you can just find them in the setting and take them.

It's probably easier than going to a RL setting and getting all the items, because you need the right sympathetic magic framework to already exist and be charged.

But there are lots of jumps that invalidate a lot of other settings' material anyway.
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>>46037090
...I'm sorry but putting it like that just makes me laugh like an idiot. I mean you're not wrong, but still. It's... kind of nakedness in general? I just really don't like it, I can't explain why. It might be tied my asexuality, though which one is influencing the other is up for debate. It's weird because I'm totally okay with swimsuits up to a certain point (seriously, why would you wear string for swimming), but the second they lose their clothes I'm just all "Nope. You have immediately lost all interest. I am officially done with this."

>>46036948
>>46037041
I admittedly feel the same way, considering I try to put a lot of emphasis on items into my jumps. Sort of the whole 'bells and whistles' tidbit I like to focus on... and while I totally agree that it's hardly a good idea to build jumps with other jumps in mind, this just kind of invalidates a lot of things, and it can really put a damper on motivation, depending how people handle it.

I do admit though, >>46037176's mental image of someone going "I'm gonna yank an Infinity Stone" and making their head suddenly light on fire Dormammu style is HILARIOUS.
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>>46037205
>It's probably easier

Sorry, I mean that just running around and stealing the items in-jump is easier.
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>>46037176
Eh, I didn't mean items exactly. I meant in general, options in some jumps make options in other jumps worthless by comparing them. But building a jump around that is a bad idea.
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>>46037006
I'm under the impression it's genetic and also a supernatural phenomena-or at least one that doesn't behave in accordance with conventional laws of physics given high level beings like Demon God Demigra, Beerus and Majin Buu appear to be particularly good at throwing it around. Basically, lots of lifeforms with DBZ-native genetics seem to have an inherent talent for moving ki around-and ki itself is something, like Spiral Energy or Chakra from Naruto, while "natural" can do things like cross planets to fuel a spirit bomb as well as being something that's naturally exuded by lifeforms.
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Well. All that said and done guess I may as well just remove this section.
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>>46037184
Those two are also natural fighters, as where Gohan hated fighting, and still achieved super saiyan by 10. Half Saiyans just somehow have even higher natural ability than full Saiyans.
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>>46037254
Not everyone takes every jump, anon. Keep your items, I know I won't be a librarymantis.
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>>46037277
And yet still lose to full-blooded Saiyans in amount of power.
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>>46037254
You are aware that not everyone is going to be a Libriomancer, and that even less people are going to take your jump before that one?

I mean, I don't like the power or the jump but sheesh you're just being dramatic for no reason.
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>>46037277
They combine saiyan's natural ki use, zenki bullshit, fighting instincts, with humans' good training potential and natural (when they actually learn to use it) talent for manipulating ki in unique ways. Plus hybrid vigor.
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>>46037232
>...I'm sorry but putting it like that just makes me laugh like an idiot. I mean you're not wrong, but still.
Glad you had a chuckle.

>It's... kind of nakedness in general?
Interesting. I almost majored in psych, so why people think and behave the way they do is interesting to me. Thanks for sharing.
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>>46037254
Please don't. As I mentioned libriomancy is NOT an infinite font of perfect replications for various reasons, and my point about going Super Saiyan and busting yourself from char hasn't been answered yet.

>>46037244
Point taken. I'm mainly questioning whether Libriomancy is a jump build around that, or rather if it's simply a particularly malleable form of magic. Based on what I've read it seems more to be the latter given inherent limitations and the fact they ARE magical constructs rather than the genuine article, but I take your point.
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>>46037300
Technically they're still far stronger stronger than 99.999...999% of all Saiyans. It's just that Goku and Vegeta are fucking insane with their training (and also MC Sues).
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>>46037329
Going to take that jump before your jump, rather.
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>>46037300
Only because of SS God bullshit. Prior to that? SS3 Gogeta was pretty much on the same level as the adult Goku as SS3. And Mystic Gohan was far stronger than SS3. Only Vegeto, who was super mega ultra special fusion supreme outpowered them, and that's like saying 3 is better than 5 just because 3+3 is 6.
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>>46036875
In the books the nymph was pulled out by a teen kid on accodent then tossed out into the woods. The second one is hard to say. The mcs spider was made the same way just reach in and pull out.
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>>46037357
Aren't the rest of Saiyan-kind dead?

Aside from Broly.
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>>46037399
>Gogeta
Meant Gotenks.

>>46037407
And Tarble.
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>>46037407
I mean in terms of all the Saiyans who've ever existed.
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>>46037254
Don't. I get the lack of motivation as a few anons have pointed out, >>46037232, >>46037041, >>46036948, but items can be a place where you really add in flavor and creativity.

I love the customizable items Red does. I love the fort options from Van Helsing and Dragon Age Inquisition, and Spice and Wolf had some great land buys. I always buy the unlimited food items, and I often buy in universe swag. The warehouse makes being a hoarder fun, as you can fill it with neat things from a bunch of jumps.

I agree with some others that Libromancer comes across as kinda dirty, if for no other reason than some of the jump makers statements. I also agree that it has the potential to diminish jumpchain as a whole. It doesn't have to, though. I have no plans on taking the jump, and others have said as much as well.

Please leave the items section in your jump.
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>>46037254
I want to clarify what I said earlier, that even at its' best Libriomancy is NOT 1:1 perfect copies of absolutely everything ever, it's more like that projection stuff from Nasuverse as enacted by a huge nerd.
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>>46037576
Well, there is a difference though. Off the top of my head, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but none of the Nasu jumps emphasize Projection. Libromancer, by its very nature, is all about Libromancy, such that it's far and away the best pick. That shows a degree of bias that the jump maker has, which is not unacceptable, we all have bias, but that the jump maker is unwilling to work past, which is an issue.

It's not as one note as the Diablo jump, but looking through it I get the same feeling. The jump exists for Libromancy, and most of the other stuff is there is background noise.
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>>46037693
Eh, Libromancy is pretty limited. Personally, took Sympathetic and Hivemind.
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>>46037693
>That shows a degree of bias that the jump maker has, which is not unacceptable, we all have bias, but that the jump maker is unwilling to work past, which is an issue.

They kinda have though?

The other perk lines are pretty good, though Sorcery is a mite underwhelming.
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>>46037576
Let me explain. Gutenburg used the bible and 500 readers to make the true holy grail.
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>>46037786
All the good shit's banned/locked, tho.
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>>46037806
Actually it isn't. It gets unlocked in book 2 and you can remove locks.
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>>46037786
White whale?
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>>46037254
Why are you assuming everyone's going to take Libromancy?
Because by doing that you're just making your jump unappealing to people who didn't take it.

>>46037464
>>46037693
I also don't get the big deal is over Libromancy as a concept. Now from what I'm hearing it's fairly balanced with itself. You can't make sources of infinite power, or turn yourself into something else. Not without a cost and it can't be maintained forever. And it must be from some form of existing literary work (and apparently you can't just make a literary work of your own and flat out pull it from there without it meeting its own set of requirements).

When I read libromancy its limitations honestly turned me off from the whole idea. Sympathetic magic sounded far more interesting. And being a cool werewolf variant sounds more appealing (even though I still think it should be discounted to inhuman doesn't seem to make much sense to not at least have a discount to one of the inhuman options, or more inhuman options in general)

Maybe I'm missing something here and it really is as overpowered as everyone claims it is.
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>>46037748
>The other perk lines are pretty good, though Sorcery is a mite underwhelming.
So we've got a couple of "pretty good" perk lines, the core of one being underwhelming, and that's balanced against the strength and utility of Libromancy. I appreciate the response, but I have to disagree.

>>46037786
Exactly.

>>46037806
Some of the good shit is banned and locked. The core ability of the magic remains intact. It'd be one thing if it was treated like Spiral Energy from the GL jump, and indisputably hard capped outside of an end jump. Libromancy is not subject to as stringent controls as that.
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>>46037840
Which takes you... How long, again?

And I was talking about all good things in general, as per the jump's notes.
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>>46037693
>Libromancer, by its very nature, is all about Libromancy
Kinda agreed? As in, that's the setting.
>such that it's far and away the best pick
haha, no. I can't think of anything I'd use it for.

Personally, I don't feel like the jump was biased to Libriomancy. Everything else was nice too.

>>46037720
>>46037748
Sorcery and Hiveminded myself. Damn nice.
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>>46037693
While I get the bias with the Diablo jump I was under the impression the creator was more biased towards the CC-expy, which as others have mentioned is a non-issue at this point. I'm mainly looking at the jump as it is now in the given example, trying to be objective and all.

It's true none of the Nasu jumps emphasize projection, the conceit I suppose of which is that in this jump the thing in question is a magic system unto itself integral to the protagonists rather than a specific aspect of one like Projection is.

>>46037786
Apart from what >>46037806 said based on the existing limitations others have espoused I'd imagine the "true holy grail" is nowhere near as powerful as, say, the Nasuverse equivalent.

As for >>46037840 I thought according to the notes the locks were effectively fiated into the jump.
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>>46037879
Depend, a good mage could brute force it, or use balefire, or use the pen. Wouldn't take too super long. A decade gives more than enough time. Balefire is an in cannon used item btw.
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>>46037927
Libromancer, the IP not the jump, references WoT's balefire?
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>>46037872
>So we've got a couple of "pretty good" perk lines, the core of one being underwhelming, and that's balanced against the strength and utility of Libromancy. I appreciate the response, but I have to disagree.

Since when does "pretty good" mean shit?

And an underwhelming capstone does not invalidate the entire perk line.

>>46037849

No, that's pretty much correct. There are clever tricks and means of doing powerful things... but the same applies to literally every magic system.
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Also as >>46037885 said I don't feel the jump was intentionally biased to Libriomancy in particular, it was just explained more in the notes due to the original negative reaction on /tg/ requiring more stringent clarification

>>46037927
>the pen

The jump says it's a boost, but it doesn't seem to me like an absolute one-stop-fix for things like locks, especially given the distinction between locked and gone forever in its' description

>Balefire

Using balefire on a magical lock seems like an incredibly bad idea.
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>>46037972
He pulls it out and burns the locks off yes.
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>>46037927
So basically - ten years for a holy cup. Most people here can create much, MUCH more impressive things in one WEEK of dedicated effort. If I am to spend years on a singular thing, I am spending it on Mystcraft.

In a nutshell - Libriomancy is far from OP. Far from actually useful to a Jumper, even.

Let the jump be. It's decent enough.
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>>46037991
No.it is 10 years for whatever the fuck you want.
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>>46037990
"Use your common sense and think “will this instantly and immediately solve this problem I am having” or “would a 500 year old paranoid wizard be comfortable letting someone ELSE have this.” If so then the books are probably locked and you would be ill advised to go reaching in them.
In future jumps these same locks will continue to be enforced and while they can be broken, this requires access to high-libriomancy, Gutenberg's pen and a great deal of concerted time and effort to “write around” the extant seals. Spending about 5,000 hours should allow you to unlock one of these books. Good luck making those hours interesting enough for Jump-chan.

Attempting to force the seals after you leave the jump will leave the books charred (almost as though a certain omni-dimensional being doesn’t want you to just visit one place and get all the swag from it). Additionally, only books that have been published in the jump you are in will function as the stored belief in your own copies does not carry over when you cross realities. Each new world has its own literary canon that you must draw on and research if you wish to continue to use libriomancy effectively. In jumps that have yet to develop a printing press or have given up on printed material this may be impossible. Perhaps those who are technologically enlightened or traditional-lifestyle mogul’s might be able to change these respective practices."

Based on these notes I gathered the locks were effectively fiated into being for jump purposes and a solution as straightforward as trying to balefire away the locks wouldn't work
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>>46037979
>Since when does "pretty good" mean shit?
It doesn't. But pretty good isn't good, and it definitely isn't great. Libromancy is very strong, and other trees should provide similar levels of power.

If they don't, then Libromancy should be locked behind an end-jump option like certain levels of Spiral Energy.

>And an underwhelming capstone does not invalidate the entire perk line.
I don't disagree, but neither does it add to the strength of that perk line. If two perk trees are of similar power, and their main difference is that the capstone perk in one is incredibly powerful and the other is merely okay, then those perk trees are unbalanced.
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Drop-In
Torino Kingdom
Haki 600
Conqueror's Haki 800
Tremor-Tremor Fruit 1500
Hungry 1400
Limbless x2 1000

Never watched One Piece, started reading the first few issues while looking at the jump.

Took Haki as I don't really have a lot of anime nonsense and it seems pretty important. Plus the Conqueror's one is pretty rare. Weird pricing of them really given you can learn Haki anyway but Conquerors is super rare, ah well figure most of them are working anyway.

I've been told that the Tremor-Tremor was a good roll. Would have only cost another 100 CP to choose but I thought fuck it. Can't hobble the wobble.

Drawbacks include Hungry which means eating a lot of really big sandwiches probably and having one arm and one leg. Strikes me as reasonably safe.

From there I'm probably going to hide up a mountain and start a gang (apparently mountain bandits are a thing looking at the first issue, can start a weird city or something). Strikes me being a pirate in a setting where I'll die if I go any water is a bad idea.
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>>46038074
No, it's ten years for whatever small and not particularly powerful thing you can find described in a book in a given setting.

Now, tell me - what overpowered thing would YOU waste a jump worth of time to unlock?
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>>46038097
>he references the Benefactor interest.

Good fuck who actually operates on that anymore.
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>>46038074
>Furthermore, there are upper limits on Libriomancy. Even the most powerful libriomancer in the setting, the person who CREATED the entire discipline from scratch, said that he would die if he even tried to use magic that affected an entire planet. Examples of this death-inducing magic include an undifferentiated carpet bomb of “all who would make war” and a tool that would destroy magic forever. Even within the confines of normal libriomancy there are limits to what can be done with a single book. A relatively popular book when used for high libriomancy was completely burned out when used to paralyze a small battleship by turning the surrounding water into a glacier. Consider acts like this to be the upper limit of high-libriomancy as they are the most your books can do before you yourself burn out.

>Libriomancers should also be wary of the number of objects they “draw out” at any given time. Magical viewings of libriomancers show that any object they draw is still mystically connected to them and will likely put a small drain on their physical recovery. While having a few stray items may not be too bad at first (ten or maybe twenty or so), having fifty or even a hundred random magical objects will leave you quickly exhausted as these objects still run off of your own magical reserves. It is for this reason that libriomancers usually chose to “return” objects to books after they are done using them. This returning also restores a part of the magic and belief to the books, leaving it more useful for future Libriomancy and other Libriomancers. Generally, it is just good manners.

It seems quite clear to me that the whole system is rather analogous to an entire magic system based around Nasu-Projection, except if the magic circuit burnout was even more severe.

>>46038165
I know you meant it as a rhetorical question, but I sincerely do.
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>>46038159
Unless you take the electronic wizard perk in which case you can pull anything of basically any size out.

The power of the item you pull out is dependant on the amount of readers and you can make anything you want by printing out a book and giving it out for free.
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>>46038255
>you can make anything you want

The char problem still comes into play, doesn't it? Make something too valuable/too many things at once, and you can kiss your chain goodbye.
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>>46038255
>the electronic wizard perk
Doesn't let you pull things out of screens, no.

>anything you want
Can't write books yourself.

>printing out a book and giving it out for free
Korea tried, remember? Didn't work.
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>>46038174
Firstly let me explain the circumstances. The mc froze 3 ships in a block of ice in the moddle of the ocean while making a storm from the same book. As for the second part again this only applies to the item that you actually pull from the book. If you pull something out of one book then copy it with an item from another book the second one won't beed your power in canon.

Also in the end of the last book they had plans to pull a fleet of starships out of a movie screen using ebooks on the projector.
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>>46038347
It canonically does lef you pull things out of screens.
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>>46038156
This sounds like a biased argument based on personal dislike of this kind of power, anon.
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>>46038419
Alright, will take into consideration.

The other arguments stand. Cant write books, can't make people read them, can't make too powerful items regardless of how popular they are.
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>>46038392
I...see. That seems to contradict what's written in the jump's notes, which I suppose could be taken as a fiated ban on this sort of thing?

Other than that,

>If you pull something out of one book then copy it with an item from another book the second one won't beed your power in canon.

To return to my Saiyan DNA analogue-are you saying if you extracted Saiyan DNA with one book, my point was more if the form resulting from that DNA would drain you utterly since it's not copied, just a function of the DNA. And presumably there is some upper limit to what can be pulled out and is fiated by the notes' example
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>>46037990
As I remember it though - and I could be wrong - he doesn't pull out retroactive reality destroying Balefire, he just gets a beam of fire that's ludicrously hot.
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>>46037849
Completely agree. I don't feel like power gaming to make Libriomancy useful, so I'm not taking it.
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Er, ignore "are you saying if you extrated Saiyan DNA with one book", that was just my train of thought jumping the tracks for a sec.
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>>46038457
You cannot write the book without fear of going crazy, that is not the same as saying it doesn't work. You have somebody else write the book for you is the canon way it is done. Powerful items can also be made but you risk charring the book and making it useless or charring yourself but that can be gotten around by charring the fuck out of the book anyway. Its a book you get your otem who cares? Or you can pull a broken item from one book that has great powers and fix it with a low powerred item that repairs things from another book. That is also a canon example.

Also if you make the book good and hand it out for free people will read it. Just don't force them.
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>>46038426
I'll admit, I'm not a fan of the jump. So that is definitely part of the back end of my argument. Having said that, that doesn't invalidate the critique that the internal balance of the jump is skewed heavily in the favor of Libromancy.

High power jumps are fine, a couple of my favorite jumps are high powered, but a jump needs to be balanced regardless of power level. That's why I made the Diablo comparison earlier.
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>>46038510
It unlocks everything the pen had locked before up to the point he stopped using it on it.
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Okay, so let's say I want a team of all Flying-type Pokemon, all of which are actual birds.

If so far I've got:

>Noctowl
>Hawlucha
>Honchkrow
>Swanna
>Altaria
>Xatu

And I'm a Fletchling in Mystery Dungeon, who should I grab as a Partner?

>Pidgey
>Spearow
>Doduo
>Skarmory
>Wingull
>Taillow
>Pidove
>Starly
>Chatot
>Rufflet
>Vullaby
>Archen
>I'm not sure if Sigilyph is a bird
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>>46038614
Skarmory
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>>46038614
Missingno is technically a bird!

Pidove is good too.
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>>46038571
>Also if you make the book good and hand it out for free people will read it. Just don't force them.
If you're charismatic enough people are going to want to read it regardless of how well its written. Celebrity endorsed items sell because of the celebrity, not because of the value of object sold.
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>>46038156
>Libriomancy as an end-jump reward
Well, that's one end-jump I'd never bother with.
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>>46038481
If you pulled out the dna then used it to make a saiyan grown from the dna you now have a magic creature called a saiyan with saiyan powers. It's how most magic humanoids end up being made by a reader accidentally drawing a creatures magic into themselves. Mc accidentally becomes part rust monster before getting hit with antimagic and fixing it.
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>>46038644
>Missingno actually had a BST in Yellow
>231

WHY IS THIS ALLOWED
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>>46038157
Big ouch on the limbless. I'd rather take wanted since the marines really aren't all that dangerous if you have some reasonable strength and out of jump abilities.
I also suggest not buying an expensive devil fruit under most circumstances. You can get some of the most bullshit high-power fruits by killing a guy while having any fruit on your person (which then turns into the devil fruit on the previous wielders death), so unless you want a specific one and don't want to kill the current wielder i wouldn't bother and get Will of D. instead.
As for the whole "can't swim" thing, either get companions to pull you out when it happens or take one of the fruits that make it nearly impossible to land in water against your will. Everything in OP is about pirates. Spending 10 years hiding on an island sounds incredibly boring. If you're that scared just don't eat the fruit until 1 day before the 10 years are up, after that the drawback disappears.
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>>46038691
But surely the difficulty with drawing out such magic humanoids would scale with their relative ability? I would assume a Saiyan with the potential to become a Super Saiyan Beyond God would be far, far beyond what it takes to become a rust monster?
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>>46038571
...

Alright. Let's approach this from another angle.

Do you posit that a subjectively bad perk invalidates a whole jump's right to exist?
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>>46038757
The difficulty from pulling out humanoids in the series was always driving them insane. It was never about the power it would take to pull them out.

Pulling a sapient being out is a 1 way trip to crazy time for you and whoever you pull out. It was only recently that they starting doing it the long way with dna.
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>>46038814
Not the anon in question, but that's what I think.
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>>46038814
I think that a wide open infinicon wondercon perk with infinite uses needs to be revised. Until that point it should not be in drive. That is my opinion for the stated reasons.
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>>46038832
Surely the DNA's value would result in a corresponding degree of charr occurring? If it doesn't, well-it would sound like >>46038925 as I thought originally, though a lot of this info contradicts the jump notes' stated limits so I'm not sure what to believe anymore.
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>>46038742
>You can get some of the most bullshit high-power fruits by killing a guy while having any fruit on your person (which then turns into the devil fruit on the previous wielders death)
Wait, really?
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Does anybody know what jump it was that let you convince people to teach you martial arts by fighting them and proving yourself worthy mainly by beating them up?
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>>46038742
Well the hiding up the mountain was an overreaction.

Eventually I thought about it and created some bracelets for my arms and legs that shoot out balloons on harnesses that blast off into the sky when immersed in water. This was itself a bit of an overreaction as it launched me thousands of feet into the air on a semi-regular basis.

That and robot arms. Waterproof ones.

As for Will of D I don't really care too much. Already got plenty of willpower perks, stare death in the face, etc. etc. What am I going to get from it? The ability to stare two deaths in the face? At the same time?
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>>46038970
Uh...not exactly what you're looking for,but the Dread Pirate Roberts perk in Princess Bride may help.
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Speaking of One Piece, if you eat a Devil Fruit, do all of your powers from outside the jump stop working when you fall in water, too?
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>>46038991
Dude, that sounds awesome.
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>>46039043
Nope.
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>>46038885
And yet, Tsukihime exists. Infinicon exists. Naruto exists. Hell, JoJo exists, despite all the Stand ruckus.

Let this exist. If people decide to take Libromancy and wank it to high hell, please feel free to screech at them. But the jump is much better than the worst jumps on the drive.

>>46038925
Tell me something - have you ever seen anyone actually use that?
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>>46039065
Oh, cool. So hydrokinesis or teleportation makes it a non-issue?
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>>46038963
Yeah, it's shown in the New World on the island with the Gas-Gas Fruit guy. A Zoan fruit user is killed and it's shown how an apple in a cart nearby transforms into the devil fruit.
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>>46039081
Uh, kind of? I mean, theoretically someone could beat you unconscious and keelhaul you I guess. Or just slam you hard enough into the ocean to not be able to waterbend fast enough. Personally I don't like to take chances with this sort of thing but it would greatly improve your chances at least.
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>>46039054
The Particle Physics perk in Bioshock Infinite was one of those choices I made where I started to think 'I wonder what I'm going to use this for'.

Then I proceeded to use it for nearly everything. If you can solve a problem by attaching a lot of balloons or an airship to it I've probably tried it.
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>>46038991
Buy something else then? I'm just saying that you can get about 5-6 of the legendary tier devil fruits just by killing a guy which a bit of OP knowledge will tell you quite a bit about, and most of them are assholes anyway.

Even if you're not confident in taking one of those guys down, just taking Plot-Bound, getting a Seastone weapon and waiting until Sky Island until Luffy beats down Enel gives you pretty much a free pass to the Rumble-Rumble fruit, which is pretty much god-tier all on its own.
The only reason the guy lost in the first place was overconfidence, lack of non-fruit combat skills and author fiat.
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>>46038970
There's one like that in... Dead or Alive, I think? Dojo Crasher, the Drop-In capstone, if I remember it right.
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>>46039127
>I mean, theoretically someone could beat you unconscious and keelhaul you I guess.
Yeeaaah, but that would work on a someone who didn't eat one, too.
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>>46039134
Speaking of Particle Physics-I know the particles themselves are multiverse-locked after the jump, but if you collected some and derived a paramagic from them would you say you could theoretically simulate some of the multiversal effects (like turning someone into a quantum ghost or opening Tears) using a paramagic derived from the particles?
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>>46039087
Does it have to be a specific fruit per devil fruit or just whatever is nearest?
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>>46039196
I thought we were talking about the water-disabling-your-fruit powers part mainly. I mean, you're not wrong, I was just hypothesising a scenario.
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>>46039192
That's the one. Danke.
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>>46039071
>And yet, Tsukihime exists. Infinicon exists. Naruto exists. Hell, JoJo exists, despite all the Stand ruckus.
None of those, with the exception of Infinicon, have in jump purchases that are as powerful as Libromancy. As for Infinicon, see below.

>Let this exist. If people decide to take Libromancy and wank it to high hell, please feel free to screech at them. But the jump is much better than the worst jumps on the drive.
Well, if we had discussed things in thread more then perhaps some of the poorer jumps wouldn't be on the drive. That's the boat that I'd put Infinicon in. It's a Tera jump, so you know its going to be poorly crafted and full of powergrabs and wank, but its not something that really appeals to anyone so no one has bothered to remake it. Some other jumps that Tera initially did, Borderlands, PS238, and Animal Crossing, have been revamped and turned into something other than drek.

Now, having said that, if its the threads consensus that it stays, then I won't bitch. But it seems like we're discussing this jump, as opposed to yelling at each other about it, so that's where I stand.

For my vote, the presence of Libromancy makes the jump verboten, unless Libromancy is locked behind some sort of end-jump wall ala Tenchi and GL.
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>>46039215
It has to be the same shape or fruit type i think.
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>>46039043
Yeah for the jump they do. Least as far as my interpretation of 'whatever abilities you have deactivate'.

>>46039204
I mean there are easier ways to make stuff float. I guess you could probably get and contain some. I figure that with the perk though they just keep turning up, there's some weird metaphysical stuff behind them but if they're perk protected you'd be able to replicate the effects anywhere.
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>>46039071
To be fair, the Stand ruckus is more "WHERE'S THE STAND SUPPLEMENT."

And people seem to be avoiding going for the stupid bullshit tiers of Golden Experience Requiem or World Above Heaven.
At least, those that post do.
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