What's the day to day life of a citizen of the Titanian

>>45209471
I have no idea what you're talking about but that thing looks cool.

>>45211974
Eclipse Phase

>>45209471
I suppose more or less the same as in Scandinavia nowadays.
>Shit is only slightly better in certain cases
>In other cases (quality/price and diversity of food) it is way worse
>Everyone thinks their country is the best

>>45209471
>Wake up
>Masturbate to XP feed of Momo von Satan
>Vote in something or other
>Go back to sleep

>>45212855
>>Vote in something or other
More like
>Tell your muse who to follow to decide what to vote for

>>45212868
We could probably add hockey to the list of daily activities too.

>>45212907
Indeed.
How would a cabin trip look like on Titan ?

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>>45209471
If you're the type of creative, self motivated, social person who thrives in a reputation economy, you probably spend all day doing fun things with your friends and working on cool and interesting projects that will win you more acclaim.

If you're the type of person who doesn't want to live in a panopticon society, you probably spend all day trying to attract as little attention as possible, since all barriers between public and private life are gone and anything you say or do can be recorded and used by a mob of your fellow citizens to socially censure you. This goes double for people who hold opinions that are unpopular.

Anyway you gotta post the pasta


Book links:
>Eclipse Phase PDFs
http://robboyle.wordpress.com/eclipse-phase-pdfs
>Eclipse Phase hacking cheet sheet
http://www.mediafire.com/view/?axe1vs35muk4juh
>Eclipse Phase The Stars Our Destination Scumfleet book
http://www.mediafire.com/view/?212xtz521lnnn85
>Eclipse Phase NPC File 1
http://www.mediafire.com/view/?wr5ruqjkj1pkkcx
>Eclipse Phase xls Character sheet
https://sites.google.com/site/eclipsephases/home/cabinet
>3 new adventures for your use in convenient PDF form
http://awdaberton.wordpress.com/about/
>Various Eclipse Phase fanmade resources, and links to more
http://www.aleph.se/EclipsePhase/
>An Eclipse Phase yearblog full of items, locations, NPCs, and plot hooks
http://www.farcastblog.com
>Zone STALKERs
http://gaxtrope.net/eprepo/ZoneStalkers/Zone_Stalkers%20%2809052014%29.pdf
>Morph Recognition Guide
http://www.mediafire.com/download/j4bjbba89kw8v0y/Eclipse_Phase_Morph_Recognition_Guide_%286098716%29.pdf
>Advice for new players and GMs
http://pastebin.com/C56FW2vj

You'll also constantly be asked to vote by mesh on political issues you don't understand or have any stake in, since Titan is almost entirely a direct rather than representative democracy. If you don't educate yourself on these issues you may also be punished.

>>45213095
Probably pretty cosy, or frightening, depends really. I imagine that, much to the disappointment of the Log Cabin Holiday industry, there's more of a market for experience playbacks of nice, safe log cabin trips than for people actually going on them. All it takes is one exsurgent infected pack of Hulders bursting through your door while screaming "ÄR DENNA STUGA BOKAD?!" and suddenly that sort of tourism isn't in this season!

>>45213354
what are these hulders

>>45213528
The OP's picture is a Hulder. They're used generally to live a rather odd nomadic lifestyle.

>>45213528
>Hulder are engineered for survival in the Titanian wilds. In silhouette, their bodies resemble a long-legged great auk, though viewed up close, the resemblance to a bird ends. Hulder have no feathers, but rather smooth, rubbery charcoal or black skin covering a thick layer of nano-augmented blubber. What resembles a thick bill from a distance is actually a seamless protrusion of the face, packed with sensory augmentations. Hulder stand 2 meters tall and weigh on average 135 kilograms. Their sensory organs, webbed feet, and fingers are all cybernetic.

>Hulder can only tolerate temperatures hospitable to baseline transhumans for short periods of time. In the open, they must balance their bodies’ chemical reservoirs with other hulder and caribou once per month or with a chemical reserve pack. A typical band of 2–6 hulder and 10–20 caribou can go about a year before having to visit a hab or a station like Huvudskär to replenish chemical reserves.

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>>45213528
People who have extremely modified bodies and live nomadicly on the vaguely terraformed surface of Titan.

>>45213569
and they do this because...?

>>45213630
It's a comparatively simple and no-frills life. It's a way of isolating themselves from the chaos of the solar system at large, and generally not have to deal with the dangers/politics of it.

Plus it's fun and you get to be a weird space bird thing.

>>45213630
Because they want to, basically.

Which is basically the reason why pretty much anyone in the setting does what anyone in the setting does, though more so once you get past Jupiter.

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>>45213296
Being a singularity seeker ain't easy.

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>>45209471
What's the day to day life of an Ultimate like?

>>45213812
>wake up
>morning training
>communal breakfast
>drills
>tactics and philosophy
>more drills
>active training
>get short
>wake up
Repeat ad infinitum.

>>45213847
You forgot
>Lynch random indenture for being genetrash

>>45209471
In my games Titan is usually depicted as an enclosed version of Cera from Sunrider.

>>45212012
>>In other cases (quality/price and diversity of food) it is way worse
Why would that be the case when everyone has Makers? Caviar isn't anymore complex to make than noodles. In fact, it might be simpler.

>>45213903
Because they're not hyper-capitalists and therefore their food must be shit or something, I dunno.

Does it ever get dark on Titan, or is it always yellow all the time?

>>45213925
Isn't the Eclipse Phase way of writing that everything related to hypercaptialists is shit and everything related to anarchism and/or socialism is automatically wonderful?

>>45213970
The thing is that ultimately the Rep economy is just a different kind of capitalism, with slightly more "fair" rules.

So as much as the writers think they are bashing it, they are also throwing their wanks behind a system that is still just capitalism.

>>45214019
Not really, no. Feels like, for some people at least, the very existence of anarchists in the setting is entirely unrealistic, couldn't work, a sign of the developers obvious biases, and so on. If the anarchists were the all conquering heroes that everyone else was trying to emulate, then perhaps I'd go "well, this is a bit Mary Sue-ish". As it is, they're a relative minority in the outermost parts of the system.

The book does spend a fair bit more time describing the Autonomist Alliance stuff, but I think that's partly down to necessity - most people aren't going to need an in-depth explanation of how a capitalist society works, because it's going to be pretty close to their own experiences.

>>45214115
Derp, that was supposed to be in reference to >>45213970 - posting while sick leads to stupid mistakes.

>>45213630
This is the same setting where people make exact mental copies of themselves and send them to die before merging the experience of death with their continuing consciousness. Being a cold flightless bird is pretty tame as far as fringe ways of living.

>>45213934
It's out by Saturn, it's always dark out there.

What faction (excluding the obvious winners; the TITANs) has the best waifus?

>>45214243
Ultimates or Exhumans.

>>45214243
Yes, but is it dark, dark or yellow, dark?

Also, is it ever possible to see the stars from the surface of Titan, or is the atmosphere way too thick for that?

>>45214243
I mean the perfect waifus are 2D infomorphs, but Exalts would be the next best thing.

>>45214259
Who doesn't want a tsundere exhuman waifu?

>>45214340
I prefer my exhuman waifus submissive and abused by their superior and yet more exhuman partners.

Anyone know if there is a change log between 3rd and 4th printing? Am I good using stuff made for 3'rd with 4th? Is it that radical a change?

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>>45213786
>the singularity ain't free

>>45213296
>implying humanity is a state of body, not a state of mind
>implying it isn't humanity's moral duty to become the machine

>>45214845
>humanity is a state of mind

Humanity requires consciousness, which thinking machines don't have. Navigate back to >>>r/p-zombies, Seed AI shill

>>45214948
Fleshbag get fucked

>>45214259
>Ultimates or Exhumans

Why did you post the same thing twice?

>>45214948
You can't even define what consciousness is. Who are you to render judgement upon a structure equally complex and nuanced as you?

>>45214995
Ultimates don't use non-Humanoid bio morphs, and a lot of them forgo built in mesh implants.

They push what is physically and mentally possible, but they themselves hate ex humans as much as any Jovian.

>>45215034
>they hate ex humans

Then they should stop being ex humans :^)

>>45215010
>con·scious·ness
>/kän(t)SHəsnəs/
>the fact of awareness by the mind of itself and the world.

Thinking machines BTFO

>>45215204
I'd post about how everyone but me in the solar system is an evil exhuman monster, but I can't get good wi-fi in this cave on Earth and I also died during the Fall.

>>45215776
Stay safe, exsurgent ghost.

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>>45214845
>>45214984
>>45215010
>Machine """Intelligence"""

>>45209471
REMOVE HULDR

If you don't, they are clearly an x-threat.

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>>45209471
>posthuman studios
sigh

>>45217741
Something about her face just looks off.

>>45217786
She took "Uncanny Valley" for those extra CP, the munchkin.

>>45217962
>she

>>45217786
>her

>>45211974
Hulder morph. They live on the surface of titan with similarly fucked up looking caribou. The caribou 'graze' in an AR simulation, in reality nano-feelers in their mouth and snout scoops up carbon and ice and shit from the planet surface and refines it. The hulder joins them all together every day, including himself, to top off chemical reserves.

>>45212012
They're autonomists, tho. Beneath the technosocialism glaze, autonomists. Unless I'm incredibly mistaken, autonomists are basically NEETs but with no way to be cut off as long as they perform occasional repairs, and even on Titan, everyone else will do it - they can live there, but just won't have any rep.

>>45213296
I kind of want to do a game with the "No muse because I'm a goddamned paranoid" trait. Normal citizen except for the lack of an AI (or fork as an AI. Is that mentioned anywhere? Your alpha/beta/delta/gamma because fuck you I'll put it through a blender as a muse?). Who'd be eternally distracted, forever taking notes and generally working like a motherfucker.

And probably get himself afflicted with Watts-McLeod and try todevelop mutli-tasking.

>>45219552
Yeah it is mentioned that people sometimes use any level of forks as their muse. Most of the time trimmed down to at least Beta so they do not get people rights.

>>45219552
Just get the multitasking cyberwear.

>>45219581
>not constantly forking and merging so you can do a fuckton of stuff at once

>>45213847
Ultimates: Resleeving space marines, who are really fucking ugly.

They probably leave the ugliness in soley to fuck with the genetrash. Although the concept of genetrash is weird in a setting like this. Makes you wonder if the developers left it in, like so many things, so they can say "tolerance=yes! Look how dumblolrandomstupid the nazi expies are!"

>>45219615
That will still slowly build up SV won't it? Since I thought all but the best rolls for merging leads to atleast 1 stress.

>>45219649
There's a trait that adds a bonus for merging tests.

Am I the only one who finds transhumanism and posthumanism as explored in Eclipse Phase as disgusting, wrong, and terrifying? Like, seriously, send me the fuck to Jupiter. I would burn your gross tranny fucks from orbit.

>>45214115
Anarchists and Brinkers and Isolates and Autonomists are something that could easily exist given EP levels of tech. YOu see their proto forms today. But they're basically glorified beyond any reasonable level. If you're not a futa neotenic neo-A, you're nothing. The further you are, ideologically, from anarchism and the neo-economy the authors espouse, the worse of a person, objectively, you are.

That said, I really like Kiviuq's void monastery, and the idea of a ringer who has no hab and just floats on the rings playing the modern version of EVE online all day while he gnaws on asteroids.

>>45219676
No you are not the only one. If it does not appeal to you then you just go play a different game. Just like you would not play eclipse phase to satisfy your sword and sorcery cravings.

>>45219676
I can understand the jovian position. They cut back on the really insane stuff in the writing, though. They leave most of it in the nonclemature - the odd heavy handed crack about gender roles/stereotypes, and the constant change of any figure of speech that's used commonly and has a male component to a female one. 'Modern relationships' where one partner has a pile of lovers. Etc.

Though places like that check-out hab with whole-body apoptosis in the outer system piss me off. It isn't left as a 'wholly good' thing like the others.

>>45219676
If you play a lot of the stuff in A Time of Eclipse off as an exaggeration, which it pretty much is, it's not nearly so bad. Most people are happy with the chromosomes they are born with, most people haven't resleeved more than once, etc.

I really don't see where all the vibes like >>45219684 was talking about are coming from. Maybe because I tend to skip around in the books a bit looking for fun toys, but most factions come off as pretty sane. You got your bioconservatists, who honestly seem perfectly fine. In a world where people are augmenting themselves left and right you would certainly get people like that. The space amish if you will. Then you got various mega corps that are portrayed no real worse then most futurist cyber settings. The TITAN related factions are vilified assumed.

To methe more anarchist/isolationist/ect groups only seem to get more character and painted in a better life simply because those types of groups are fertile ground for your average murder hobo players.

>be Martian glitterati heir
>live in new shanghai
>have rights to the estate of old futurist musician
>one song is this dignified, groovy old number, about Mars
>lobby to make it Martian anthem
>how David Bowie's Life on Mars became the consortium/Martian anthem

>>45219765
TITAN lovers are villified. The most info we have on exhuman factions are snippets - a group of cannibal pirates, the people who hate MeatHab after ir chased them off, and that the Hulders were originally an exhuman beast.

BioCons aren't given the same sort of airtime or coverage. The fact that they're doomsday preppers waiting on the TITAN return is barely touched, and the idea of them being stuck in Jupiter crying softly as the glorious overlords pass them by is enhanced. All the negative aspects are enhanced and made to resemble modern day horseshit. Even the ultimates have their nazi leanings played up and made comical. Even Venus, the people who run an underground railroad, are basically a pack of hypercorp slavers despite claiming independence.

Not to mention things like religion. Notice how, except for Jovian Catholocism, the religions disliked by the devs died out nearly completely? Even Islam was toned down. The game matches with their personally expressed views on the forums.

>>45219848
>Anything dev related

I would not know anything about that. As a rule of thumb I try to keep the politics of a creator and their created content separate. Plenty of stuff over the years I have learned has been made by complete idiots/people with some fucked up views and has sadly diminished my enjoyment of said things a bit. I just find I enjoy things more if I know less about the people that make them.

http://eclipsephase.com/psi-revamped
And for those interested, this is a really good revamp of the psi-system. Doesn't change the mystery and clears up plenty of problem sleights, or combines them. And they made psychic stab a viable option, which is crazy.

>>45219902
Probably a wise choice, then. Like high school english ruined movies for me, and my degree ruined the glorious mysteries of economics, reading the forums started me examining everything they wrote and finding it sync to their views. Dampens the fun.

>>45219949
>>45219949
How many trannies onthe dev team, anon?

How many? :(

>>45219902
>I try to keep the politics of a creator and their created content separate
That's a damn good policy, and I commend you for it, but its damn near impossible with Eclipse Phase. The setting itself feels bent towards their politics. Even something like Extropia, their "middle ground between the capitalists and anarchists" faction/polity are portrayed as exploiting indentures (which is a bad thing by the devs point of view) and for exploiting both sides of the line

>>45220036
Actually, that's an interesting question. Give me a second. Tenne says they're all random white guys, like most social justice lunatics.

To be fair, I'm not an MRA - I sympathise, but beyond that, no - , but their MRA bullshit is what had me pay attention.

>>45220036
Honestly, the gender politics (much like in real life) is fairly easy to ignore and doesn't really go into made up snowflake genders, at least officially
My problem is the politics. The further left you are (and the more you line up with the authors politics) the better a polity the writers present you as. It says a lot that when they tried to salvage the Jovian Republic (the right wing, bio-conservative faction) they had to hire from outside the dev team

>>45220087
>doesn't really go into made up snowflake genders
Winterists

>>45220099
Kinda proves my point, they have one, its weird even by the standards of transhumanity and theire entire schtick is trying to have their cake and eat it by being neuters with erogenous zones
Really its the perfect morph for space-Tumblr, all the oppression points of being specialgender, but they still get to get their rocks off

Huh. Brian Cross, a 4th ed designer, wrote for them. That explains a *lot*. And Adam Jury, too.

Rob Boyle is your standard white dude, but he IS best mates with Randall, AKA, Captain Embezzlement who nearly sunk Catalyst by using company funds for himself.

Okay, so they're all ex-catalyst lunatics and FanPro. And while not directly involved with the embezzlement that I can see, are still mates iwth Bills and supported Randall during the bullshit claiming he had done nothing wrong.

>>45220099
There's also a few anarchist collectives similar, and one who is detailed as seeking to "Genderfuck transhumanity by any means necessary".

Nigger you can change your body on a whim. Fuck off.

>>45220159
ALL QUEER
All Queer is a network of anarchists that pinpoint their
gender and sexual identity as outside of the confies
of straight, binary norms. An outgrowth of radical
queer groups that countered oppression before the
capability to resleeve created a massive social shift, All
Queer argues that biases still exist against people that
have non-binary gender identities or sexual orientations outside of the mainstream. More than just countering phobia and privilege—in both autonomist and
capitalist societies—All Queer opposes assimilation
and instead promotes the idea that all of transhuman
society needs to be—and is well on its way towards
being—thoroughly genderfucked. All Queer activists
have been instrumental in designing morphs, bio-mods,
and psychosurgical hacks that explore a wide range of
sexual biology, orientation, and practical activities.

>>45220048

Behold, the founder of Extropia and grandest proponent of its economic system!

PETRA THIEL
A venture capitalist and hedge fund manager, Thiel
invested in numerous hypercorp start-ups and played
a key role in expanding transhumanity’s presence
in the solar system as well as capitalizing on breakthroughs in various transhumanist technologies. After
founding Extropy Now, Thiel brought in other investors and hatched the plan to establish Extropia.
Thiel has infamously claimed that the inner system
is a lost cause, pulling most of her investments from
non-Extropian corps (burning several bridges with
former hyperelite allies) and increasing her stakes in
numerous Extropian technology corporations. She has
recently taken an active interest in extrasolar exploration, but remains a visible fiurehead and active
participant in Extropia’s affairs. She has raised some
controversy by claiming that the male sex is no longer
needed in transhuman society, arguing that male
aggression and patriarchal tendencies are a detriment
to our continued development as a species. She also
regularly criticizes other autonomist tendencies and
has had several heated public arguments with Carson
Tucker about the uselessness of being part of the
Autonomist Alliance.

>>45220073
How did MRAs enter the equation? EP seems to be super duper pro transwhatever and that anyone who disagrees with their slimy genetic hell utopia is a big mean stinky transmisogynistic problematic bigot.

I was asking how many trannies under the assumption that the dev team was entirely tumblr tier SJWs and gross horse-faced trannies.

>>45220241
Actually, looking through the book shows that I'd have to copy paste huge sections of every few pages to outline them all, so I'll stop. After this one.

With the Bugis
leading the way, the Glitter scum embraced experimentation
and have taken exploration of alternative gender and sexual
identities to a new level, going further than many other
elements of scum and genderqueer anarchist culture.

I like Eclipse Phase as a notion, and I think it does personal horror better than Vampire, but jesus. Fucking. Christ. Some of it is so heavy handed it's fucking stupid.

>>45220269
The dev team are three white dudes who used to work with Randall Bills, the bloke who nearly sunk Battletech and Shadowrun and has presided over a steady downward slope in quality and popularity. The MRA thing comes from http://eclipsephase.com/regarding-mras

>>45220269
>How did MRAs enter the equation?
Same way they enter every equation their a part of: my being cunts
I'm sympathetic to some of their points, but by fuck have they made it all but impossible to have a rational discussion about them, even in real life
In the case of EP, they started cropping up on their forums, naturally clashed with the rather left wing fanbase there, and in the usual MRA style being flaming, shitposting and other wise being asshats. Posthuman Studios banned them, people (especially on /tg/) got assblasted over "freedom of speech" and the whole thing was a clusterfuck
The ban might have been heavy, but ultimately its Posthuman's forums, they have to moderate them and it was obvious the MRA's weren't going to stop

>>45220332
>>45220300
Ah, I see. Unfortunate.

>>45220087
>It says a lot that when they tried to salvage the Jovian Republic (the right wing, bio-conservative faction) they had to hire from outside the dev team

Asking as the filthiest of liberals, how does one write a conservative PoV positively?

>>45220397
Make them human, and try to understand something from their point of view
So, taking EP as an example, I personally think stacks and the idea of digital immortality is awesome. But I can appreciate that others might believe that copying 'you' onto a stack then having your original body die is still a death, and some other being that says its 'you' carries on, and would have immense problems with that
Come at your points from the other side, imagine you have to form arguments against your own beliefs

>>45220397
By showing the good with the bad. By not playing up every bad crony-capitalism aspect of the modern US and Russia, and using it as a slap in the face (The jovians proudly unveiled 'Reagan Cylinders', inefficient and expensive space stations with not enough radiation shielding, for example. They also renamed all their moons/stations after American presidents like Bush) to folks you don't like. By pointing out their prepper notions towards the survival of humanity, their constant watch for TITANs and the way their entire culture is geared towards being ready for fighting them.

Going with anything other than "hur dur these are bad". Hell, they're even technically responsible for the Autonomists continuing to exist. They nuked a hypercorp ship and its rep as a very subtle "Go home" when the Inner System was gearing up to kick the living daylights out of the Autonomist Alliance.

>>45220382
Although having read their limpwristed tumblrite spiel ("PATRIARCHY N MALE PRIVILEGE U GUISE") in >>45220300
I'm pretty nauseated. They might as well be fucking trannies.

Wouldn't the gate crews be confused if a Pandora gate opened from the other side? Their defences would naturally go nutty, but if you had a pack of transhuman survivors from Earth fighting a rear-guard action to force a few hundred people they'd been keeping alive through, it'd make an interesting start to a campaign. Or mid point.

Play through the fall, play through survival, then the machines turn up, you all manage to escape by the seat of your pants and find yourself staring down a dozen floating murder-balls with miniguns that are telling you "Welcome to Saturn!". Then you have to integrate.

>>45220626
The book "RImward".

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>>45220397
I'll take a whack at it

The Republic is the only place in the Solar System where you actually own your own body. In the Inner System it can be seized if you ever fall into debt, while in the Outer System it can be appropriated by the collective by vote, or if your reputation takes a dip. The Jovians are the only people who actually treat it as an inseparable part of your person.

As unpleasant as permanent death is, it's an order of magnitude better than what's waiting for you in the rest of the Solar System: forcible uploading, forknapping, brainhacking, simspace accelerated psychotorture. None of those are possible in bioconservative communities.

The Republic is the last place in the Solar System designed for people of average intelligence and capabilities. Anywhere else, a baseline human is going to be unemployable and superfluous. According to the corebook, the human average is 10 COG, the transhuman average is 15 COG. Being even one standard deviation below average intelligence in the real world is associated with living a worse life by basically any standard of measurement (see Murray et al) and in the accelerated future that's only going to be worse. Cognitive upgrades can cause serious mental damage and in the worst case scenario basically constitute overwriting the patient's brain with a new and different person.

Second PDF and more text incoming

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>>45221134
The Jovians are the only faction that takes the possible return of the TITANs seriously. They're the only ones who have a plan if they come back.

The Jovian populace isn't subject to bioconservatism against its will. In Rimward they mentioned that the state security apparatus actually has trouble suppressing bioconservative terrorist groups because they enjoy widespread support among the populace. They don't think the Jovian government goes far enough in suppressing transhumanism. If you believe people have a right to self determination and to decide what technologies will be allowed in their communities, you have to contend with the fact that Jovians by and large don't like transhumanism. When anarchist terrorists kill Jovian soldiers, they aren't freeing people from a tyrannical government, they're killing citizen soldiers drawn from a population which genuinely believes that its government is just.

(This pdf is a little outdated but it used to get posted all the time around here. The idea was to make a Jovian character who actually stands up for her country, unlike that cringing uncle tom Tio Silencio)

>>45221134
Huh. That PDF is good.

How heavily augmented can a body be?

Flats can become Splicers easily. Even Exalts. But could they augment someone with genehacking until their original body was a remade? Or a ghost, or fury?

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sorry if it's uncouth, but in the consortium are pleasure pods still mostly slaved AI or are they mainly indentures? I'm not sure if this was ever made clear in sunward

>>45221567
Indentured. Cheaper than the AGI.

>>45221476
You can conceivably make any biomorph into any other biomorph, but at some point you run into a ship of theseus problem where if you're recycling a Hazer into a Neo-Mammoth you aren't so much transforming a body as you are junking it and using the reagents to make something else

>>45221567
Indentures. /epg/ fanon is that with almost all jobs capable of being done by easily copyable dumb AI, the only profession open to indentures is prostitution

>>45221134
I'm a leftist and love the idea of a more realized jovian republic in this vein. Its also cool to play up the Classical era themes in the republic, which are both generally positive and alien enough to contrast with the contemporary american-esque stuff.
On the other hand, I need somewhere to produce a space generalissimo, and mars just won't cut it

>>45221883
Bhattacharya?

The Ultimates always seemed like the most likely to try and pull a coup of one of the major powers.

>>45221926
fair enough. A villainous millitary commander from jupiter would be closer to the general from doctor strangelove

>>45221980
I mean, as >>45221296 points out the actual population of the Jovians is usually more biocon than their military/government. So it wouldn't be any small leap for a radical (or pretending to be radical) general turned enough of the civilians and army over to his side and took over.

>>45218040
>>45218050
>>>/pol/

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>>45219787
>>be Martian glitterati heir
>live in new shanghai

>>45221883
>>45221883
Eris has the moon that's populated entirely by Ultimate Overhumans. You know, for when they decided that being subtle about Ultimates being nazis was for pussies.

>>45220171
https://humaniterations.net/2011/09/21/the-floating-metal-sphere-trump-card/

>>45222244
Potentially tens of millions or more owe the Ultimates their lives. They can have a crappy little moon to themselves.

That said, Exceptionalists and Iconics are obviously the more survivable view points.

>>45222306
What book are those in, anyway?

>>45222377
I'm not even sure I remember. The base one doesn't divide the Ultimates up into the three factions I know, because I have a physical copy right here.

Rimward maybe?

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>>45222244
I've still never seen ultimates as nazis. They're vicious authoritarians with a superiority complex, run by warrior philosopher-kings in the name of a cult figure, which could be argued to be fascist, but it seems just as close to a plain cult that's preoccupied with war, or a vaguely villainous knightly order

>>45222453
It's also worth mentioning that their "genocides" kind of lack the punch when the victims are uploaded 3 days later.

See: space elevator when they killed people cause just carrying stacks would drastically increase the chance of collective survival.

Honestly, on a few levels Martian Hypercapitalism is really the worst place to be. It's the less charming parts of the US, EU and PRC turned into one fucked-up plutocracy.

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>>45222453
At the end of the day they're not even authoritarian. Just strictly meritocratic and highly regimented in daily life.

>>45220159
>Randall, AKA, Captain Embezzlement who nearly sunk Catalyst by using company funds for himself.
That was Coleman, dumbass. Get your facts straight.

>>45221476
Flats can become Splicers, but Exalts are made from scratch. Anything based on a Splicer is plausible.

>>45222620
My bad. Bills was just trying to cover it up.

>>45222553
Yeah, I think the jovian republic should get better treatment, but the consortium needs to remain slimy bastards. They can have good individuals, but the hypercorps are fine to stay bad

>>45222091
Buttblasted tranny detected

>>45222761
Man/woman is still a recognized division - if you act and appear in a behaviour fitting one of the genders it's not odd to recognize them as that gender.

The problem appears when people want to be their special snowflake gender which is not recognized in the surrounding culture.

It's the difference between being Hirja in Goa or a "demigirl" in LA. The closest thing to a third gender in the western world are traps since they're apparently "not gay".

sage for offtopic.

>>45222854
Friend, I think the anon was saying something along of the lines of "transexuals are mentally handicapped" or "transexuals don't exist".

That said, you make good points, even without context.

EP could have been great. D100 with tweaks, easy, adaptable. Firefly / Buck Rogers / Cyberspace.

BUT this focus on endless politics BS makes me want to puke.

>>45223008
The really weird thing is that the game itself isn't built around fighting other humans for political reasons. It's about fighting terrifying monstrosities and trying not to die/go insane.

>>45223027
We get 2000 pages on political settings, and 50 pages on "titans are really mysterious and so are exsurgents".

I want to know more about the Yazidis. They're grade 3 psi users who aren't murderous loons. That alone has huge potential. Nomad techno-tribals in a hostile warzone that treat titan-relics as fauna and flora - and vice versa.

>>45223027
So why do we keep talking about jovians and metrosexuals all the time?! That's NOT what I like about the game! /rant

>>45223093
So do I, but the creators couldn't figure out if they wanted to create a Sci-Fi horror game, or some kind of dedicated Sci-Fi setting with vague rules.

>>45223110
Because very few people have a) actually played the game and b) there aren't very many things to talk about, except comparing different versions of the fluff that the Dev's say is mutable. Like the TITANs and Pandora Gates.

>>45223123
Or even more gate crashing. I'm surprised more isolates aren't hunting for a system with multiple worlds and going through with gear, a shitty tin can space ship and settling on those gateless planets.

>>45223260
The main problem with that is that the corps control most of the gates, and they're also not very big. You'd have to find a gate in space, in a system, and assemble a space station piece by piece on the other side as well. Because like hell you're gonna be able to make an entire exit vehicle to get a tin can into orbit.

>>45223318
Eh. SolArchives and a fabber of moderate size? It'd be a multi-year venture, but they could. And the Love and Rage would be all over it.

Is it better to be an indenture or a freelancer?

>>45223973
Freelancer. In autonomist habitats you live like everyone else. In Extropian habitats you're still a step above indents and selling your labour like everyone else. In PC habitats you might starve, but you're still way above a contract slave.

I like that the morphs that are explicitly for floating naked through the vacuum can't actually survive it - space is something like -270, and the best protection transhumans have is -200.

>>45224173
What about between being a freelance prostitute and an indenture prostitute?

>>45224650
You can generally choose who you're on your back for. Or the house you're on your back for.

>>45224650
well if you're in an autonomist hab you're not so much a prostitute as a well liked local slut, or possibly a member of the local sluts' social society. so theres that

>>45224914
Do they preform peer reviews on sexual techniques people think up?

Remember Mass Phase? Or Eclipse Effect?

http://www.firewall-darkcast.com/the_eye/The_Eye_Fanzine_Issue003.pdf

Endorsed by the devs, someone hashed out some psi-eclipse sleights. Some don't fit in the vanilla game, others would work well for characters who are psi-heavy and the GM wants to fuck with/reward.

>>45227441
And the only sad person in the entire setting is Sadsquid.

And maybe the example Firewall Eraser who's one operation away from trying to fuck a scourer with his cortical stack, but whatever.

>>45213925
Extropians are the best parts of both worlds.

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>>45227822
Extropia I like because the devs are a little more clever than we give them credit for. It's obviously a reference to The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, with people trying to create an anarcho capitalist society free of government coercion. And like the Loonies in The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, the Extropians are the stooges of a recursively self improving AI that secretly controls everything they do from behind the scenes

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you're being payed an exorbitant sum by an unknown backer to assemble a well funded mission through defenses around earth, to explore places of interest and return.
what crew do you assemble?

>>45228633
Forks of myself in pleasure pods

>>45224949
Sure why not, but since they run on a reddit economy it's more like a circlejerk than a review.

>>45214019
>capitalism - a system where private individuals owns the means of production and make profit by selling the produce for more than the cost (wages ect) of making it
>rep economy - pretty much reddit up/downvotes
What are you smoking?

>>45228883
The Reclamationist Harem Ending option, eh?

>>45228633
>>45228633
I spend it all on scour rings and wear them lik3 armor. Fuck the mission.

>>45223318
Aren't most gates on solid ground?

>>45230218
Not really. The ones people survive tend to be. There's at least one in orbit around a dead star. It's just a set of hab-modules with a shitty science station, some buddhist monks and a project ozma psycho-prison where they send people to be infected with the exsurgent virus and suffer eternally.

>>45228633
It says in the core book that missions to earth are a quasi-routine thing, anon. Smugglers, reclamators (Interest: reclamator blogs), hypercorp fruitcakes, anyone who decides to ride an LLA mass driver. There's at least one functional sleeve facility.

>>45214845
>humanity has a moral duty to do something merely for existing
Smells like bullshit.

>>45230521
Morality is survival behaviour above the individual, anon.

>>45230531
Yes, but there is a general split in moral thinking that causes very great conflict in people with strong moral convictions.

One school of thought is that the best morality is that which purports that individuals have the right to not have things inflicted upon them.

The other school of thought purports that individuals have an obligation to give something of theirs up (time, effort, property, civil liberties, etc) for the desired betterment of society. In order to ensure this, the other school has to enforce these things, essentially infringing upon the prior school of thought. This is the cause for conflict.

As for which school of thought has more proof behind it, that remains to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, but I've been leaning more towards the former rather than the latter (I'm trying not to get too political with this or anything).

>>45230602
None of that is related at all to what I said, anon. Except for the word 'Moral' being in it.

>>45230613
I was expanding upon my comment which you replied to by going into further detail.

>>45230628
Yes, but I'm pointing out that what you're calling moral isn't moral. What is moral is what leads to survival in your community. What survival for your community is fundamentally questioned in Eclipse Phase, because your community probably includes a futa neotenic who just loves big hairy men who look like the developers, four octopii prostitutes and a newscaster who is a reverse mermaid - fish on top, lady on the bottom. If going machine preserves their mind states, then you've got a moral responsibility to do it.

>>45230643
>what you're calling moral isn't moral. What is moral is what leads to survival in your community.

The particular schools of thought I was talking about exist out of a difference of ideas about how to reach that point, though. I'm not understanding how it lacks relevance.

>If going machine preserves their mind states, then you've got a moral responsibility to do it.

But that is literally a proposition that falls into one of the conflicting schools of thought I described.

So a ghost in the Shell conversion for this game seems so obvious I am surprised I have not seen it yet. Am I not digging in the right places or has it really not been done?

>>45214845
Get fucked you damn calculator!

>>45219706
They could still play the game, just play it as a Jovian. If anything there real world attitude would make them a better roleplayer. I mean you don't have to use all the weird transhuman stuff, you can just play a regular human.

>>45232088
>you can just play a regular human.

Although, honestly, a lot of the stuff in the "Roleplaying Game of Transhuman Conspiracy and Horror" assumes you'll be playing a character that's on board with the transhumanism aspect.

You could play a game of Eclipse Phase where you're the huddled survivors of the Fall, living in a cave and shunning technology and hoping that the nanomachine swarms don't find you and disassemble your fleshy body, but most people wouldn't assume that's the sort of game you're planning to run if you said "Hey, I'm running an Eclipse Phase game!".

It might be briefly interesting for the player, but character concepts that reject core premises of the game rarely work out well.

>>45228427
>clever
>it's yet another reference
Pick one.

>>45232690
>faggot
>it's you
Pick two

>>45230486
>in orbit around a dead star
Did it not occur to you that the ground it was on was destroyed during the death of the star?

>>45236848
Well, no, because it's not the only one and the gates can be destroyed. Just not easily. All humans can do is knock them into dormancy for a few years.

>>45235301
Man. The Jovians aren't slave owners or rape magicians. Mr House was looking to save humanity, the PC just wants power and wealth. The NCR as the Titanians is.. different. The fundamentally different ideologies sort of puts them aside. If anything, the NCR would be the LLA. The Legion would be the PC or possibly the Morningstar Constellation. House would probably be the Titanians, but he doesn't really have a fit because he's sort of a cross between the Barsoom, the Brinkers, the Ultimates and the Extropians. And the Jovians too.

At what point does Musophobia kick in?

If a character has it, could they deal with having a household AI for answering questions? One that doesn't tag along with them?

I am the very model of a Singularitarian
I’m combination Transhuman, Immortalist, Extropian,
Aggressively I’m changing all my body’s biochemistry
Because my body’s heritage is obsolete genetically,
Replacing all the cells each month it’s here just temporarily
The pattern of my brain and body’s where there’s continuity,
I’ll try to improve these patterns with optimal biology,
(“But how will I do that? I need to be smarter. Ah, yes…”)
I’ll expand my mental faculties by merging with technology,
Expand his mental faculties by merging with technology,
Expand his mental faculties by merging with technology
Expand his mental faculties by merging with technology

And with our new technology, renewable clean energy,
Remove our pathogens and overcome hunger and poverty
In short I am a Transhuman, Immortalist, Extropian
I am the very model of a Singularitarian
In short he is a Transhuman, Immortalist, Extropian
He is the very model of a Singularitarian

Knowledge in all forms music, art, science and technology,
Our brains and bodies all precious and any loss a tragedy
Important recognitions and insights are what we should retain
While we destroy all of the useless information that remains
And when a person dies we lose a profound pattern tragically,
And the part of ourselves that interacted with them lit’rally
Religious folks may rationalize that death is really something good
(“Something Good? Something GOOD? Eh?)
I think they’d change their minds if Singularity were understood
I think they’d change their minds if Singularity were understood
I think they’d change their minds if Singularity were understood
I think they’d change their minds if Singularity were understood

>>45239147

I create and appreciate all of the knowledge that I know
Toward greater order even though complexity I know may grow
In short I am Transhuman, Immortalist, Extropian
I am the very model of a Singularitarian
In short he is a Transhuman, Immortalist, Extropian
He is the very model of a Singularitarian

The purpose of the universe is that of all our human lives
Since no aliens have come forth this much we can now rationalize
We’ll spread our thoughts with nanobots that know how to self-replicate
Through solar system, Milky Way or anywhere we designate
Ideas are our products that will solve the problems of our fate
And new ideas for the problems we can’t yet articulate
Let’s leverage all our knowledge from the returns that accelerate
(Returns that accelerate? Sounds familiar. Ah yes, the
law of accelerating returns by Ray Kurzweil, of course, OF COURSE!)
So the outcome of universe is something we can contemplate
The outcome of universe is something we can contemplate
The outcome of universe is something we can contemplate
The outcome of universe is something we can contemplate

The singularity is near but I won’t be indifferent
In case something should go awry I’ll do my bestest to prevent
Because I am a Transhuman, Immortalist, Extropian
I am the very model of a Singularitarian
Because he is a Transhuman, Immortalist, Extropian
He is the very model of a Singularitarian

(Yes! Singularity! Woo hoo! Singularity is here! Singularity is near! Singularity!)

>>45238924
Would people develop it? You're introduced to it an early age, and it's capable of - indeed, designed to really - adapting to work in the users best interests. Considering how much work your Muse is supposed to do for you, and how integral it is to day-to-day living in some places, it might be something you'd want to get treated fairly quickly.

>>45239309
Well, it's only been 10 years since the fall. Plenty of folk could have, easily. Rescuees, brinkers, isolates. The quality says an 'invasive role', so you can't even carry it on your person, which makes me wonder where invasive starts.

>>45238924
Depends on the AI and the question, I suppose.

>bump

>>45238185
Legion fits Jovians. They don't make use of drugs/medicine, advanced weapons, or armor because they think they're dangerous and caused the apocalypse.

>>45244259
They're also not campaigning to conquer the solar system, not slaving, practicing a rough sort of gender equality, and they do use all of those, just in significantly lesser amounts and tehcnological levels until they're proven 'safe'.

Anyone know of any odd RL properties to the Black Hills and the Tibetan Plateau? Common properties that might explain why nanoswarms dodge them?

>>45239414
It's only been ten years since the Fall, but Muses are described in the core book as "a lifelong companion for most people less than seventy years old" - so even people who got screwed pretty hard by the Fall will have likely had a Muse prior to the Fall, and had a Muse for quite some time prior to it as well.

Though I think that brinkers and isolates probably would have a better time abandoning their muses, yet much of the brinker/isolate lifestyle is generally predicated on using the same advanced technology that got subverted during the Fall in order to survive in places where they can be left alone. If you were prone to rejecting technology related to the Fall, you'd be unlikely to adopt a lifestyle that requires it. Still, phobias are funny things, and no doubt there are people who might develop it, I just cannot see it as a particularly common or likely occurrence due to the age of the technology.

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>>45250924
This isn't a custom job or some sort of hey why not thing. It's an actual listed phobia. None of what you've written is relevant to the original question.

>>45251005
Sorry; I was trying to establish who would be more likely develop it and why they'd develop it, not deny that it exists as a thing - it's hard to answer the question "At what point does Musophobia kick in?" if we can't discuss how it might come about and who the small percentage of people who suffer from it are. I really didn't mean to come across as that dismissive - I wanted to try and establish reasons why people might develop it, so there's a slightly more logical chain to work out what may or may not be acceptable.

So I don't feel it's possible to give a good answer to the question about whether or not a given phobia sufferer would accept a household AI based on it's invasiveness without considering what levels of technology would be considered invasive. And, part of that to me, is pervasiveness and familiarity. I'd consider that the high technological requirement to live a Brinker lifestyle would mean that they'd be less likely to develop it, so one that did develop muse phobia (and didn't have it treated...!) might still accept the household style AI, because the invasiveness of a household AI is more likely to be within their threshold of what's acceptable. To me, it'd be more believable for a character to accept a household AI as a Brinker because their fear falls more on the "intelligence in their head" than the "invasive role in their life" part of that particular and/or statement.

For somebody who falls more on the fear due to invasiveness section, I'd imagine that these phobics would be more likely to live lifestyles that reject technology deemed invasive, in much the same way that people with phobias see their behaviour changed based on their fear. To me, it comes back to the question of what might be considered invasive, and that's going to depend a lot on other factors. If you want to portray it realistically, those factors need considering.

So could a character deal with an AI answering their questions? Yes. Maybe. No. It depends.

Life is madness, a linear sequence of tragedies we desperately try to explain away.
http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/27380539/#p27382182

>>45251345
Fuck just read it, man.

Some of my best characters have been randomly generated, I dunno - sometimes you have a better image of how to play character when it's already a set case, only the details left to fit and tinker with.