A mysterious giant sea-life washes up on the shore of a small

>>44477354
>Can I eat it?
>I'm gonna eat it.
>I shouldn't have eaten it.

>>44477354
I don't know. It's probably an aboleth or something.

We'll investigate anyway because not to would be metagaming.

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Fall in love with my apprentice but because I'm an autistic weirdo and she's a crazy mad scientist immortal who's injecting elder god sperm into people's brains I create a doll in her image then give it life in another plane of existence where I hold domain.

But soon come to the realization that she's nothing like the woman I fell for and proceed to ignore her for the rest of my now old tormented life as she wonders why her creator is now completely apathetic to her.

>>44477354
What I never understood was, were the people in the village just fish people all along, or were they originally human?

Hey now, that's no giant sea-life, that's my mom!

>>44478040
They were turned into what they are by exposure to Kos' corpse and her innumerable parasites.

>>44478028
Is this the part where a young upstart comes by, kills fucking -everything-, including you, and your boss, then turns everything with the doll into something straight out of a passable hentai?

>>44478044
>implying you're not an orphan

>>44478064
>Kos' corpse

Then why did we have to kill her after the last boss fight?

>>44477434
We Dungeon Meshi now.

>>44478094

The nightmare is just a reflection of what has occurred. The Orphan and Kos you find are "real" but are still just reflections of the real Orphan and Kos who Gehrmen probably killed a long time ago at the bequest of Laurence.

>>44478094
>Then why did we have to kill her after the last boss fight?

You killed Orphan, propelling it to the next stage of its life. Kos was already dead.

Death is a natural part of the life cycle for Old Ones.

>>44478072
It's pretty funny how much the Hunter completely wrecks across the course of the game.

Your character basically just resets the entire setting by killing every relevant person/eldritch being.

>>44478187

That's the case with every souls game really.

Chosen Undead fucking kills every important god/lord.

Slayer of Demons likewise just butchers everything in his path to power/sacrifice.

The Good Hunter's whole duty is just "find things that're big and bad and fucking murder them".

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Laurence isn't paying me enough to die, I'm fucking out.

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>>44477354
Kill everything, then have the most epic sushi.

Surely, nothing could go wrong.

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>>44477354
The fuck is this? The fuck is that? The fuck are those?

>>44478227
I really like the idea of all of these monsters playing cards, then Djura kicks in the door,
"Holy shit some asshole just killed Cleric."
"Wat!?"
"AND everyone in Cainhurst, I have no fucking idea what's going on, it's a massacre out there."
"Is it fucking Gerhman?" Ludwig asks, peering over his hand.
"Unless they installed ramps in the temple ward I doubt it. We gotta do something!"
"Just go set up that minigun thing in oldtown, I'm sure it'll be fine."

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>>44478243
I forget how...off these things are. Maybe we should try and make contact with it.

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>>44478227
>find things that're big and bad

Not even that. It's literally "Find thing and fucking murder them."

Rom wasn't aggressive, holding back the nightmare, until you smacked her.
Ebrietas was just chillin', until you smacked her.
Maria was actively trying to prevent you from repeating the mistakes of the past.
Orphan dindu nuffin.

And yet you killed your way through all of them.

>>44478227
Pretty much.
You are the dick anon.

>>44478303
but everyone in Cainhurt is already dead.

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>>44478345
>prey slaughtered

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>>44478345
They were comin' right for us!

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>>44478372

Ahh, you were at my side all along...my true mentor...my guiding moonlight...

>>44478040
They were mutated by their exposure to Kos's parasites. Additionally they were pretty ruthlessly experimented on by the Hunters, who fucked their shit up mercilessly to see if they had eyes on the inside.

>>44478345
up until you kill Rom, i was perfectly fine killing everything i met
every boss that you can do up to Rom is a horrible abomination that should have died, with the exception of Martyr Logarius because his reason for being there takes place before the game.

Rom is the only one that should have the option to avoid

>>44478401
so uhh... sauce?

>>44478345
To be fair, I'm pretty sure you HAD to kill them to fix everything.

Also, Ebrietas is optional, and so's Maria/Orphan.

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>>44478372

>>44477354
Paladin smacks one of the villagers and tells them to stop fucking worshipping everything that washes up on the beach, or particularly large cows.
I mean what the fuck people
Do you also worship odd looking people who travel into town on the road? Oh come on, stop bowing to me! Just because I'm a magic dragonborn that literally channels divine energy an- okay I see where you're coming from but why are you worshipping nearly dead fish things?
Fuck this, he's preaching Bahamut. Maybe at least he can get them to worship something worthwhile.

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>>44478502
>Paladin smacks one of the villagers

Oh boy.

Here come the sharkmen.

The thing is: Rom may have been holding back the blood moon but Micolash was still gonna do something nefarious with Yahnram and Oedon's child and the only way to get to Micolash was through Rom. There's no telling what would've happened had Micolash's schemes worked.

Now you could say he could've been doing good but I ask you: Do you really trust that guy? Really?

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>>44477354
It's probably just a rotten basking shark or beluga whale. Nothing to see here.

>>44478441
Logarius was an idiot. He should have pulped the tainted queen and then kept her... remains in a jar with a giant eggbeater in it. Written on the side of the jar should have been, "1 good stirring = 10 prayers." She would never come back to life, and Cainhurst would probably fall apart or something.

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>>44478535

Believe in the nightmare that swirls and churns unending!

>>44478243

>Bonar what are you doing?!

>Praising the Great Ones.

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>>44478564
>mfw Vicar Amelia is real
>mfw the Scourge is Real
>mfw

fucking great ones

>>44478522
So, there's a Bad Thing in front of the Paladin.
You just solved the problem. The solution is now cleave and smite.

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>>44478572
>Logarius was an idiot.

SAY THAT AGAIN HERETIC

>>44478535
I think his plan was to pull entire Yarnham into his nightmare, where he could then just do whatever.

Or was he trying to contact the old ones with Mergo's cry? Or maybe both?

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>>44478620
>Cleave and Smite

im not affiliated with the Healing Church, so i'll just take the Cleave with a side of Viscera

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>>44478243

>Ahh, Kos, or some say Kosm... Do you hear our fapping?
>AWOOOOOOOOO~

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>>44478620

Hope you have a shaman bone blade bro

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>>44478564
Everything that gets thrown out of the sea is scary.

>>44478651

>Oath of Vengence Paladins

I could cleave and smite to this.

>>44478634
He waited on a chair wearing an illusion-casting crown for Kos knows how long just to make sure Annalise never left the castle. He could have just ended her then and there like Alfred did, then spend his apparent immortality keeping her dead while also still leading the Executioners. Yarnham might not have fallen had the Executioners survived (although I doubt they could have helped much in the end).

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>>44478715

But pureeing the queen wasn't a permanent solution. Some dumb jackass would inevitably try the Altar of Despair. It was better to martyr oneself and hide the queen rather than killing her and risk her revival.

>>44478736
You know, I've never gone to check, but I wonder if you can use the alter without triggering the fight with Ebrietas.

>Fight an old one
>She literally summons the galaxy and shoots stars at you

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>>44478756
>I wonder if you can use the alter without triggering the fight with Ebrietas.

You can't. I tried my second playthrough. Doesn't even give the prompt. You have to kill Bribri to unlock the altar.

>>44478736
>Some dumb jackass would inevitably try the Altar of Despair

Then Logarius and his pyramid heads would go back to Cainhurst and paste her again. She doesn't seem all that strong.

I wonder if they will do more to expand upon Cainhurst and Himwhich after this.

I'm curious as to the origins of the witches that you fight as, to me, they seem out of place when everything else makes sense in context to the overall story.

>>44478811

No more bloodborne expansions. And DS3 is the last Souls game.

>>44478811
I thought the witches are pretty simple.

They are just country hicks who the church use, or at least prompted to collect eyes.

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>>44477354
AHH KOS

>>44478703
Why do you think it gets thrown out? The seas are no place for scary things, only friendly cute things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61wzTjdnXe4

>>44478879

Aren't those things deathly poisonous

>>44478827

DS3 is probably the last Dark Souls yes but Miyazaki is probably gonna make more Souls-like games.

The reason why is simple: Dark Souls is owned by Bandai Namco and Kadokawa probably wants From Soft to make their own Souls Brand game that they can do shit with.

>>44477354
Feel happy that I'm part of a better game with better lore than its nebulous, bullshit predecessors.

>>44478914
Only if you're Japanese.

>>44478919

Blame!-style futuristic souls game.

imagine.

>>44478919
This. Aren't they already making more metal gear games even though Kojima is out of the picture? You don't leave a known franchise alone just because the devs quit.

>>44477354

Ah, Kos! Or some say Kosm...

>>44478958

kosm confirmed mistranslation

it is objectively kos

MICOLASH WAS WRONG

>>44478535
Exactly. Rom was literally retarded, it was an unfortunate but necessary casualty in ending the nightmare.

>>44478986
Both of them were wrong, Kos was fucking dead when they found her, they just CALLED her Kos. We don't know if she even has a name.

>>44479042
Except the villagers of the fishing hamlet name her Mother Kos and they were the ones worshipping her in the first place. Possibly Oedon, too, since his name is mentioned in the chant they use to curse Byrgenwerth and all its spawn.

>>44478401
Rapehorse? good lord.

>>44479042

You seem to forget thoughts can be transmitted through symbols inside people's minds.

I imagine whnen the villagers started worshipping Kos (and eating the parasites that came from her body) the thought form that became "Kos" came to them and they simply addressed her as such.

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>>44479061
I had forgotten about the runes. Even so I don't think we have full confirmation that the name is hers by nature, rather than one assigned to her by her worshippers.

In either case Micolash is not explicitly wrong, he's just off from what the fishermen called her. It could just as easily be that they heard it incorrectly while he, with his magic faraday cage, got the correct pronunciation.

>>44477434

Jesus, man. That's how Forbidden Siren started.

>>44479111
>>44478261 beat you to it

>>44478441
>Rom should be optional
>you'd rather live in ignorance instead of seeking true insight

What?

>>44479075
Why not? Didn't Dark Souls already have Guts' sword and outfit?

What happens when I get 100 insight?

>>44479137
by optional i mean by breaking the veil between realities without killing her.

>>44479152
nothing, you can only have 99

>>44479167
Obviously, but what if?

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>>44479111
>Eating things you shouldn't

Granted it wasn't a choice you make willingly but it's something you have to do now as a matter of survival.

>>44479159
It's impossible. Theoretically, nobody can even get to the Chalice Dungeons either, which is good, but nobody can stop the rituals in place by the School of Mensis either, which is worse. "The Byrgnwerth Spider hides all manner of rituals." Rom had to die. She's holding the veil in front of our eyes.

>>44479174
Only notable effects occur after 50 or so, Amy's become visible, music changes in the Hunter's Dream, etc.

>captcha asks me to select bodies of water

help

>>44479174
you have reached the limits of what can be achieved by human minds and will go frothing crazy at the slightest provocation.

>>44479106
If you fight Micolash for long enough (hard because he's a weak beta faggot with no health) he eventually realizes that Kos literally means Cosmos, and expresses it in dialogue.

>>44479200
I thought at 60+ you can here Mergo crying even without the bloodmoon?

>>44479213
yes you can, everywhere except the dream

>>44479152

Miyazaki knocks on your door and congratulates you.

>>44479152
You can see why kids love the taste of Cinnamon Toast Crunch.

>>44478401
That's one hell of an edit.

>>44478944
YES! Someone else had that idea!

>>44479213
Do you need a certain amount for the Winter Lantern singing or am I remembering wrong?

Question: What is Oedon supposed to be?

>>44479352
Nope, they sing all the time. They have to because it alerts you to their presence, which is important since you can start getting frenzied from pretty far away.

>>44479370
A Great One who is considered significant to the history of Yharnam and Pthumeru before it. His defining trait is that he is without any form whatsoever. Therefore, he is truly omniscient, being everywhere and nowhere.

>>44479370
What >>44479398 said, along with the fact that he is represented by oozing blood. That is, not the blood itself, but the state of oozing that it's in.

>>44478644
So wait, was his plan essentially what they did in The Lost World where they broke the baby T-Rex's leg to get it to call mommy and daddy?

This sounds...unwise.

>>44479370
The Patron Old One of the Healing Church. Called Formless, he has no material presence, and doesn't even seem to have a Dream to exist in as Rom and Mergo do.

One might go so far as to say that he's basically the God of the Bloodborne setting, an entity that is literally everywhere and nowhere simultaneously.

He doesn't make an appearance because he isn't in the genus of existing.

>>44477354
If it's a mermaid I fuck it

>>44479421
It's almost like humans are stupid and limited and perceive only the basest of planes.

>>44479435
>>44479413
>>44479398
Ah, gotcha. I was quite confused.

>>44478187
well technically you didn't kill everyone
but your purge went a lot deeper than djura's: killing ebritias, micolash, and rom for one

everyone starts wondering about its origins and what it is until our 33 str \ 3 int dwarf punches it really, really hard

So the "true" ending of the game kinda leaves me wanting more. I get that you're reborn as a great one, but I'm not entirely sure what's implied to happen after that. Do you take over the whole Hunter's Dream? Will another hunter in the future do you in like Rom? What will you even look like when you grow up? You're a teeny tentacle slug when the doll finds you but it's implied you're an infant. I want answers damnit.

>>44477354
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQoRXhS7vlU

>>44479760
You become a perfect fusion of Human and Great One. You didn't become retarded like Rom, and you aren't distant and ignorant of humanity like regular Great Ones. You have infinite cosmic power, but also the perspective to actually help humanity with it. If you see fit of course.

who was post >>44444444

>>44479760
Well, that's entire up to you. The reason so many Old Ones were able to be taken advantage of is because they had undeveloped minds or were made weak. Rom was literally without thought or understanding, blocking the Moon Presence and Amygdala and all that goofery from spilling into the waking world. Mergo was an infant, something the School of Mensis wanted to exploit to gain higher understanding. Ebrietas was 'left behind' by her fellow Great Ones and was similarly exploited by the Choir and the Healing Church. Mother Kos was found on a beach, pregnant, and had all her followers hunted down, experimented on, killed, and her child was stolen from her. In fact, the Kos Parasite looks a lot like an infant Great One itself. For all we know, the phantasms in her body might be more of her children, stolen and experimented on.

The difference with you is that you aren't stunted or weak. You know the follies and crimes of those around you, you've witnessed all the deception and lies and horror in this mad grasp for power made by Byrgenwerth and its spawn and even more than that, you've grown to rival the Great Ones in insight by consuming the umbilical cords. You could be the greatest of the Great Ones, achieving true enlightenment and a safe haven to call your own and none left to seek you. The choice of what comes next is entirely yours, good hunter.

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What would the fully matured Old One Hunter look like? He/she seems kinda like a squid or something.

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>>44479760
A careful balancing act between being able to see the bigger picture while being slightly apart from it ensues. Sure, you now have a lot more power, but there is no evidence that you're more capable of cosmic hoodoo than Ebriatas and the Moon Presence, so elevating humanity and doing it in a way that doesn't fuck everything up more will probably be tricky and worthy of an epic saga.

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>>44479982

>>44479841
>>44479873
What could even kill the reborn hunter? Gehrman is dead and you (or the doll) are the new master of the dream, so it would take the effort of yet another Great One to invade, or at least an invitation to a new dreaming hunter when you're good and ready to teach humanity.

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>>44479970
>mfw i couldn't
>mfw i positonied my self perfectly to shoot a bullet to hit the baby but not her
>mfw it still kills her

the pure of heart don't deserve this fate

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>>44480004
o shit, i thought it was ariana form the first pic

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>>44480020
Fin

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>>44479970
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>>44480037
wonderfully sad

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>>44479970
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>>44480065
"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man."

>>44480118
i understand that it is darbeast parrl, but why does he have Ludwigs sword?

>>44480118
They never really explained much of anything about the darkbeasts. Are they just normal beasts? Or are they something else entirely? What makes them special?

>>44479224
and now you can see that his face is actually made of eye-spiders

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>>44480196
they are a complete mystery, I had hoped they would be expanded on in the dlc but no

>>44480196
Paarl's name is the Japanese version translates to "The Source of the Beast Blood." So yeah.

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>>44480301
fuck you church bitch, you killed my Waifu because i took her blood instead of yours you petty whore

>>44480322
The petty whore WAS your waifu, m8.

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>>44480322
she trained her ENTIRE LIFE for that anon, and when the end of the world seemed nigh you chose a cheap whore

>>44480322

No, she killed your waifu because your waifu had special blood, blood that Oedon wanted to get his metaphysical cock into, and she wanted Oedon's babby.

You were just a convenience she could use to entice Oedon.

You got cucked by a brain-dead, body-lacking Space-Squid, anon.

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>>44480037
I have... more.

>>44480348

To this day, I still cannot get over my first reaction to the "I'M A FUKKEN WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL!"

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>>44480363
oh no, don't do this to me...

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>>44480348
God the Executioners were such fucking ballers. Can you imagine if your JOB was destroying immortal monsters?

>>44480380

WHY COULDN'T YOU JUST ASK US LITTLE GIRL.

I WOULDN'T HAVE EVEN MINDED THE ESCORT MISSION.

>>44480392
i would like to think that if The Hunter had been a Cainhurt at the time of their invasion, everything would have turned out in their favor, and we would have been the Queens Favored in court.

we all know that the Cainhurt are the most important group outside of the Hunters and the Chior

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>>44480392
most ballin' motherfuckers in any of Miyazaki's games

wheelin' and dealin'

>>44480446

GAVLAN WHEEL.

GAVLAN DEAL.

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>>44480391
Like... Why'd it have to be a pig? Somehow, the fact it's a pig makes it worse.

>>44480397
Poor Gascoigne.
>goes mad
>kills his wife
>becomes a beast
>gets killed
>youngest daughter dies trying to go to safety
>eldest daughter commits suicide after hearing bout youngest daughter
Being a family man is suffering.

>>44480446
to be fair, the Hunter would destroy the other protags of the souls games

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>>44480472
It's almost like hunters are more creative and cooler than anything Dark Souls has provided.

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>>44480391
This game is a lot more fun if you imagine yourself as killing literally everything out of rage at her death.

Micolash stumbles out of his opium den to tell you about Kosm and you just cut him off screaming
"WHY DID YOU LET PIGS INTO THE FUCKING SEWERS"
"What? I'm trying to commune with the gods here, dude, what pigs are y-"
"FUCKING RIBBON. I FOUGHT A FUCKING WEREWOLF FOR THAT FUCKING GEM"
"Look buddy, I think you might be confused, this is the dream of mensis, there are no pigs here."
"DON'T LIE TO ME PIG"

>>44480472

What the fuck are you smoking?

As far as Souls' protags go, the Hunter is on par with the DS2 protag, who is below the DS1 protag, who is below Demon Soul's protag.

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>>44480492
Fin.

Happy End?

If only it could be so.

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>>44480363
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>>44480391
>pleasegodnomore
>>44480466
>>44480492
>mfw

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>>44480488
while I tend to agree, I need to point you to>>44480480

>>44477354
Ahh, Kos, or some say Kosm... Do you hear our prayers?

As you once did for the vacuous Rom, grant us eyes, grant us eyes. Plant eyes on our brains, to cleanse our beastly idiocy.

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>>44480564

>>44480569
>Ah, woo. Some say awoo.

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>>44480564
>>44480569
>>44480588

So I remember an old rumor saying that Gehrman was from Loran, what with the hunter's rune being seen there. Does anyone know if that theory holds any water?

>>44480499
The artist's tumblr, for any interested in the source.
http://jeza-red.tumblr.com/tagged/bloodborne

>>44478914
when you eat them, sure

>>44477354
A corpse should be left well alone.

>>44479760
The doll is a great one and it is she keeping the Hunter's Dream anchored, not the Moon Presence.

>>44478957
Holy shit you guys
>Metal Souls

>>44479970
Who's in the Wheelchair? The Hunter you first meet with the cough or the doctor before she gets whacked?

>>44481249

Gilbert. The guy by the Central Yharnam lamp.

>>44481238
Soul Gear?!

>>44478957
>Aren't they already making more metal gear games even though Kojima is out of the picture?

Yeah they are, they recently registered a BIG BOSS pachinko machine.

>>44481281

>pachinko.

Where franchises go to die.

>>44481238
>>44481275
Probably linked to Rising rather than Solid. Chopping up giant monsters with ridiculous weapons seems more Raiden's thing.

>>44481281

How does pachinko even work? I've seen people play it and I tried playing once myself, and I was confused as fuck the entire time.

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>>44478028

>this is literally and unironically Bloodborne's storyline

>>44481346

Basically it's gambling but with juuust enough control over the machine (you can regulate the speed the balls shoot out, that sort of thing) that legally it doesn't count as gambling / a game of chance under Japanese law.

>>44477354
Enough dynamite to reduce it and the entire town to a smouldering crater. Can't blame it on us if there aren't any witnesses or evidence, can you?

>>44481346
>How does pachinko even work?

I dont know, i just assume you HIT THE LEVER

In other words: Just like silent hill.

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>The entire world will never feel the scourge of the beasts.
>The Old Ones will never roam in vast numbers across the world causing humanity to suffer from the eldritch truth.
>You will never get to hunt Hunters, Old Ones, Beasts, and everything else that moves until nothing is left.
>The world never be under an eternal dream.
Why can't a Hunter hunt the world? Its kind of unfair.

>>44477576
Not necessarily. Do your PCs really have any reason to care what random villagers do? It's perfectly reasonable to just say "Who cares?" and move on to wherever you were heading.

>>44480196
The game at one point described them as "undead", didn't it? I think it was in the description of the Tonitrus.

>>44481844
I think Miyazaki, or some designer said he did it all himself without input from anyone else. That it was a (formerly) majestic beast held together solely by the bandages and the electricity.

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>>44478606
>not 'making contact'

>>44478634
Considering how horrible the Healing Church is, and that Cainhurst's only perceivable sin is having taken the healing blood elsewhere, the Executions are all assholes.

>>44478811
I think Hemwick witches are people who broke away from the School of Mensis and started their own cult, because you can find the same sort of deformed old woman in Yahar'Gul.

The Witches of Hemwick give me the impression that they're the Bloodborne equivelant of an old person trying to use a computer with some success but not really understanding what the fuck they're doing. They know they need more eyes, so they just kind of stapled them on all over their bodies.

>>44482145

>Cainhurst's only perceivable sin is having taken the healing blood elsewhere

And feeding on people. Vilebloods are literally vampires. Those blood-lickers are what Vilebloods become.

>>44482237
Questionable. Them showing up in the Old Hunters DLC seems to indicate that they're just monsters that feed on blood. More likely that they were drawn there by the massacre years ago and now they're just hanging out there kinda lost.

>>44482237
>And feeding on people.

Don't they only feed on bloodcrazed people?

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>>44478724

>>44479150
Dark Souls had a similar outfit to the young Guts in Golden Age, Dark Souls 2 had the sword. Can't remember right now if there were more

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>>44477354
TELL THE CRUSADER TO STOP UNFURLING HIS STUPID ASS SCROLL AT IT AND HIT IT WITH HIS SWORD

>>44477354
Kill the beast, purge heretics

>>44482535
THIRTY THREE COUNTS OF UNLAWFUL LOITERING!

>>44481323
>suplexing cthulhu

I approve.

>>44483558
Don't forget, immediately after this he runs down a non-euclidean monolith, dodging tentacles all the while, before cutting him in half down the spine.

>>44480468
Because pigs are voracious and disgusting and also have thirty-minute-long orgasms.

That's why.

>>44482345

Not necessarily, they could be old hunters of Cainhurst lineage who totally lost it in a way that Maria (the other Old Hunter of Cainhurst blood) didn't.

If bloodlickers just show up at places of mass slaughter, why aren't they fucking everywhere, given blood is basically flowing like water everywhere in the game?

What makes the Hunter so special? Why were they able to Hunt the Old Ones and defeat a withered Gherman the man who was the First Hunters and created them? What is the Hunter really?

>>44486166
Most of the slaughter now is fresh and far from the wilderness these things seem to favor...and mostly done by the Good Hunter.

>>44488346
The Hunter initially was nothing. Then they got a shit ton of blood echoes and became a badass.

The better question is what are blood echoes? I choose to believe that they're the abilities and strength of a person that "echo" in their blood. The echoing person may or may not actually be the creature you kill to get the echo, since they can get echoes as well from killing others but can't use them due to lacking a Doll.

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>>44488932
What then is the doll? She's no doll, that much is clear. Most indications seem to point towards her either being a Great One or at least born of one as she bleeds the same color blood as they and the aliens spawned from them do, not to mention her strange abilities and the fact that the Hunter's Dream continues even if you slay the Moon Presence.

>>44477354
That is hella weird, but if it is still alive, I'd try my best to get it back in the water.

>>44489154

It's been dead for a while. Its newborn emerges once you approach. Then you die.

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>>44489094
Not to mention she's somehow connected to the Winter Lanterns.

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>>44489438
Still, can't complain that if she is a Great One, she's definitely the cutest.

>>44489438
It could just be a style of clothing really. She was based off of someone and that person had to have gotten clothing from somewhere.

>>44489094
I figured she was just another part of the Hunter's Dream, albeit a sentient part. She's clearly made in the image of Gehrman's doll which is itself made in the image of Maria. I figured it was given life by the Moon Presence as part of the Hunter's Dream it created for Gehrman.

The only sticking point is the fact that the Hunter's Dream remains even after the Moon Presence is defeated. However, there was another Great One that could have taken over maintaining the Hunter's Dream after the Moon Presence died.

>>44489094
She is a doll, but she's also more than a doll.
You might say she's a doll made *for* the old ones child, with all the things that might imply.
But out of speculation she IS a product of Byrgenworth's experiments on the nature of the Old Ones, as is the whole hunters dream as can be seen from the "prototype" you encounter in the 'real' world.

>>44489438
>>44489094

The doll is certainly a creation of Gehrman, modelled after Maria, so saying she's "a Great Old One" might not be entirely accurate because that would imply she got three thirds or something. It seems more like her "essence" is mostly a dream-thing which vaguely influences her presence in the waking world, through making the doll fingers move a little.

It might be better to say that she is a vessel for the Moon Presence, who was filled with its power when Gehrman accepted his role as MP's surrogate child. A construct within a construct, so to speak.

The similarities between her and the Winter Lanterns suggests this Doll might not be the only doll to have ever existed. Perhaps this is just the one that Moon Presence got right. On the other hand, the appearance of the Winter Lanterns seems like they might suffer from an over-abundance of insight - all those eyes and brain-stuff. Perhaps the Winter Lanterns are Maria, not the Doll, with Maria's quest for mad insight in Old Hunters echoing the WL's appearance. Note the swollen heads she creates and the swollen heads of the Winter Lanterns.

>>44490052

>the Hunter's Dream is a consequence of Byrgenwerth

In that Byrgenwerth eventually figured out Three Third Chords, I suppose, but not intentionally. My read of it is that the Hunter's Dream is the Moon Presence's "pocket" of a wider realm, which are the other pillars you can see out there. It took its current shape when Gehrman contacted the Moon Presence and was made its surrogate child.

>>44477354
Beat it to the punch and impregnate all the village girls first, then get any female PC's pregnant too just in case.

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>>44490059
She was based off of the doll made in the waking world. She may just be a projection of that carried over, but odds are she's a bit more than that.

>>44490041
The 2 main possibilities there are either you, the Good Hunter, or the Plain Doll. How hosting a nightmare works was never dull explained except that it's a dream, but then the entire game seems to be a dream.

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>/tg/ has better bloodborne threads than /v/
sadly it's not surprising at all

>>44482231

Oh, they know exactly what they are doing. Two random eye collectors wouldn't just be doing their own thing. They are gathering bloodshot eyeballs. A ritual component allowing access to the tomb of the gods. Gee, why would the School of Mensis need ritual components for that? Bell Maidens are Pthumerians! They apparently had their own chalice or chalices and were fetching Bell Maidens to use their chimes to summon The One Reborn.

>>44478715

Acts of Good are not always wise are words that are attributed to Logarius. Perhaps he simply suddenly felt the weight of his sins and realized that he and his men had just given the castle a new coat of paint with the blood of random courtiers! Perhaps he just couldn't bear the thought of killing one more woman incapable of fighting back. Perhaps he realized that his band of merry men included psychopaths and fucking necromancers.

Besides, she is literally immortal. Who knows if she even really needs the Alter of Despair. It rewound time. Maybe she can heal herself? And wind up in a time where nobody would remember her true nature.

>>44490410

What WAS the One Reborn, even? Yet another in the panoply of the Great Ones? It seems to be me.. made of human bodies, a composite.

>>44479398

You are attributing far too much to Oedon. Its more likely that Oedon is simply the Moon Presence and that those who somehow were in Oedon's presence simply lacked the insight to see it and could only hear its voice in its mind.

You can see the magical bullshit that the Amygdala can do without seeing it after all.

>>44478094
>Then why did we have to kill her after the last boss fight?
In strange eons even death may die.

>>44480020

Oh. Its Gilbert. Fuck him.

Traitor comes into Yharnam, signs a fucking contract, gets blood ministration to save his life and he goes and bars himself indoors on the night of the fucking hunt. That coward. He even hands away one of his hunter weapons to the Good Hunter. He is the kind of coward that lies to himself. "Oh, what good what I'd do on the night of the hunt as sick as I am? At least I'll get to die human."

And in the end we learn from the Clawmark rune he drops and how he curses the heavens before his transformation that he willingly became a beast to save his coward life. He was weak and he forsook his duty! Fuck him!

>>44480312

You are thinking of the Bloodletting Beast.

>>44480470

We don't actually know if he killed his wife. Its just as likely that the guys he was cutting up when you find him were the ones who did it. Whichever you prefer depends on your taste in tragedy. Did he succumb to his bloodlust and kill his wife or did avenging his wife's death make him succumb to bloodlust? We'll never know.

>>44490576

I assume, given how bells are used to summon people from other worlds, that The One Reborn was the attempt to return the scholars from the Nightmare of Mensis to this world from the Dream they created.

>>44490247
/tg/ may not be as good as it used to but it will always be better than /v/

>>44490576
One theory I heard is that the entire town of Yahar'Gul was sacrificed in an attempt to bring back an Old One's dead child, and the result was the one reborn.

The theory was that the town was flooded with a special blood that was meant to convert the populace into a new body for the child, but instead transported everyone it touched to the exact same spot and telefragged each other into a horrible franken undead thing.

The reasoning for this are the statues clinging to the walls can be seen as people fleeing something in the street as well as the others which seem to be praying or cowering, which signify fear at impending death. Another part of this reasoning is that pool of blood that works a a teleporter.

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>>44490715
I like the later, personally

>>44490715
Well given that his wife forgot the music box, that inclines me to believe he killed her.

>>44480498
Sure, buddy

>>44478401
sauce?

>>44478564
fuck did SCP-682 escape again?

>>44490887

That makes a lot of sense - the bodies you see ossified do seem to be clambering up against some sort of rising liquid, and it certainly explains why many of the monsters in the region are anatomical clusterfucks.

Presumably this ritual takes place when Rom dies, though, and explains the change that takes place in the area at that point? Though, what about those dude-pyres in the street?

>>44490715
The young girl says that Gascoigne 'forgot' them sometimes and playing the music box helped him remember.

Poor guy was so far gone by the time you meet him that playing the music box makes his three-fourths beast mind freak out because the last human part is desperately trying to remember what it means. If you play it three times, he goes full beast because the scourge in him has had enough or his last bit of humanity was so addled the beast took over.

I feel so bad for Gascoigne. I really like him, and will rock his coat in every subsequent playthrough.

>>44480564
I love this crazy fucking faggot.

AWOOOOOOOOOOO

>>44490041
I figured she was some sort of artificial great one womb, based on the umbilical cord found near her in the waking world and one other thing. Of the dream worlds that we see two of the three, like cribs, contain child great ones. I figured why would the hunters dream be any different.

Has anyone else ever gotten the impression that the Moon Presence was Gehrman's kid with the doll or am I completely off base?

>>44491180
Presumably yes. They are everyone who was still in town the first time you go through the area.

I think that once Rom dies who ever is orchestrating the ritual decides to start before preparations are complete, which leads to it's failure (not that I think they would have succeeded either way). The dude-pyre are, I believe, individuals of very high insight that those three hunters you encounter brought for the ritual.

>>44491265

No, I always interpreted the Moon Presence as being one of the main sources of the beastly scourge (which is why it moves like a beast, why it can 'manipulate blood' with that attack that turns all your health temporary) so it predates Gehrman. I also get the idea more that MP is the parent in the relationship and Gehrman is the child.

I think Gehrman might have used an umbilical cord on the Doll in an attempt to bring her to life after he lost/distanced himself from Maria but how it would have worked on something inorganic I don't know.

>>44488932
I always thought blood echoes were literally the echoes of blood, the sound of blood splashing on stone and clothing, the thrum of blood through veins and arteries. The very base strength and will of life itself, and getting those makes you stronger.

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>in bloodborne, a great one born to a human is an ayylium worm, but a great one born to a great one appears mostly human

>>44491469
>fucking great ones, how do they work?

>>44488932
>I choose to believe that they're the abilities and strength of a person that "echo" in their blood

That's exactly what they are, though. The descriptions of the coldblood items even imply it.

>>44489094
The doll was literally just a doll given life by the moon presence because Gehrman was lonely. Before that happened it was just his body pillow.

Thus, because she was made by the moon presence, it's no surprise that there are enemies that are similar to her appearance in the Nightmare (see >>44489438) which is also the creation of another great one.

>>44491469
Look, they're cosmic space things. The only confirmed great ones are the good inkling hunter, the Moon presence, and Whatever the fuck mergo is. There's room for variation.

>>44491469

Who's the great one born to a great one?

Remember, the great ones LOSE their children. That's why they pay attention to mortals, to seek out suitable surrogate babbies. Like, that's the deal with Mergo (Yharnam's baby, taken and offered up to his Wet Nurse by Micolash and the School of Mensis) and somewhat the deal with Gerhman (becomes adopted by the Moon Presence to oversee the hunt and beastly scourge).

Hell, even Ebrietas lost a kid - that's who she mourns over at the Altar of Despair, a kid she can't ressurect.

>>44491650
>Hell, even Ebrietas lost a kid
But I thought Ebrietas wasn't a great one? just another one of their spawn?

>>44491650
Orphan of kos is a great one born to Kos, another great one.

It's actually interesting, because great ones do in fact lose their children, but in the Orphan's case, he lost his parent.

>>44491660

Ebrietas, daughter of the cosmos, is described as a "left-behind Great One" if I recall. It's unclear exactly what happens to have her "fall from heaven", so to speak, but she is a Great One.

>>44491683

Oh, the Orphan? The Orphan is Gehrman, dude.

>>44491709
go on... and you better not be repeating some bullshit Vaati copied from reddit.

>>44491692
Theres some idea that Ebrietas is the old one found in the chalice dungeons. But daughter does imply she is the offspring of another Old one. But as with the Orphan of Kos they do in fact die, at the hands of a hunter so the cycle of old ones loosing their children comes to fruition.

>>44491725
I was told VaatiVidya was a good place to learn about Bloodborne lore?

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>mfw I haven't played bloodborne

>>44491725
The only thing I recall Vaati ever saying about that was that the Orphan's cries are a modified version of Gehrman's,

>>44491976
You should, in fact leave the thread before everything is explained and spoiled for you.

>>44491709
I'm gonna call bullshit here.

>>44491945

It is a little unclear exactly who/what was found in the chalice dungeons, whether it was Ebrietas or Queen Yharnam herself. QY's model includes bloody wounds and shackles to suggest she has been imprisoned and bled, whereas Ebby seems to just hang out in a cave and be sad, periodically visited by people who can jump through a plate glass window and then take an elevator..

>>44491976
You should go play Bloodborne mane

Get the fuck outta this thread, we stopped caring about spoilers ages ago.

>>44491975
Vaati is stuck up and pounds his own opinion as fact, or his fans do it for him.
There are lots of things that have no answer in BB, but Gehrman being a Great One has no standing or basis besides >>44492020

>>44491976
If you have no PS4, watch Slowbeef's run. Him and Diabetus make a great tag team.

>>44492020

Gehrman also sleeps better when you kill the Orphan, because he's no longer trapped in the Fishing Village dream. He's punished for his sin of killing Kos, who was alive when she washed up on the shore and killed when the Hunters raided (according to the strategy guide).

They also fight similarly, using a curved weapon in a fast and highly aggressive manner involving lots of leaps and bounds.

Orphan is what Gerhman would "really" look like if we had eyes to see, a surrogate infant to an inhuman beast more Kin than man.

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>>44492083
I always assumed the Queen was used as a sacrifice to birth an old one. Or if she was willing they took the child from her and thats why she is shackled. It just seems like they either took the baby or she miscarried, but I doubt shes one of the Great ones.
I could be entirely mistaken though and misremembering stuff its 2016 suddenly and I'm very tired.

>>44492142
Wait what if Gehrman is the father? And he fucked Kos. Judging by the tits >>44478243 you can't blame him.

Just an offhand question for contemplation, but..

Ebrietas was called the "daughter of the cosmos". We find out later, as it was mentioned in this thread, that Micolash had a kind of revelation in "Kos, or, some say Kosm?" where Kos' name was meant to be Cosmos.

Not sure if it's just a thematical linking, but the connection intrigued me. Maybe Ebrietas was the daughter of Kos, herself?

>>44492165

If she's a sacrifice, why is she still alive? Doesn't sacrifice imply killing?

Womb to a Great One, maybe, though that does leave you to wonder whether that would be during this "age" or perhaps the ancient Pthumerian civilization that preceding it.

Having Ebrietas AND Queen Yharnam in the same cave does sort of make me wonder why both were necessary though, right? Like, oh, you want to make contact with the Great Ones? Then why do you need a baby when HERE'S A GREAT ONE.

>>44492131
Diabetus never has anything to say that actually adds to anything, but fortunately Slowbeef can carry both of them.

>>44492142
There's probably some connection between them, but saying Gehrman IS the Orphan is total speculation.

>>44492206

I.. guess that's possible? I mean, it could explain why Ebrietas was "left behind" as she is a "lost child" but honestly I don't think there's anything to make that link more than base speculation. I mean, if you're arguing in that manner you're also saying that Kosm is the sky because of the note that reads "The sky is the cosmos".

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>>44491621
The one in the waking world is just a glorified body pillow. The one in the Hunter's Dream is anything but.

She bleeds, pale blood at that, and has powers that old peg-leg has no use for. One could argue that that's just the Moon Presence giving her powers, but were that the case then she would have stopped functioning when it died.

>>44492255
>total speculation.
Hi, welcome to a lore thread.

Seriously though, if they wanted it to be "these characters are connected", they wouldn't have literally had Gerhman's voice come out of the Orphan's mouth. Last guys who tried that trick were Kojima & Co on the whole Big Boss doppleganger thing.

>>44492220
Yeah sacrifice was the wrong word to use, sorry.

I interpret it as Ebrietas was found in the dungeons and it led to them discovering the blood and the old ones and to help transcend humanity they 'offered' the queen to be the mother of a new great one.

I'm still confused about when the Pthumerians found the great ones and when the choir rediscovered them I guess. If thats what actually happened.

>>44492220
The Paleblood Hunt doc speculates that Ebrietas may be an ascended human like Rom was, and left behind (or rather ignored) because she was not a proper Great One.
I like the sound of that, but there's not a lot evidence leaning either way.

>>44491975
Vaati is basically useless. He makes grand assumptions based on very few facts, and much of what he's speculated about Bloodborne was disproven when the DLC came out.

It's also been proven that he mostly just dredges "his" ideas from reddit and /dsg/. It was actually a big deal this year.

>>44492457
What would be a good place to just soak up Bloodborne lore, then? Any video series or sites about it? I wanna just soak that shit up.

>>44492280
>Seriously though, if they wanted it to be "these characters are connected", they wouldn't have literally had Gerhman's voice come out of the Orphan's mouth. Last guys who tried that trick were Kojima & Co on the whole Big Boss doppleganger thing.

So by that logic Maria and the Doll are the same person, not that the Doll was based on Maria.

>>44492488
/dsg/ is actually pretty good. They dissected the dlc almost instantly, and everything they concluded became pretty mainstream opinion.

Don't try to discuss the actual game or builds, though.

>>44492508
sry meant /bbg/ not /dsg/

>>44492502

So what's the connection you see between the Orphan and Gehrman then?

>>44492267
>she would have stopped functioning when it died

Assuming, of course, that the Moon Presence has to maintain her existence. A machine doesn't fall apart just because the guy who built it dies, after all. And even if she is wholly dependent on the power of a Great One to maintain her existence, who's to say the newborn Great One (the player character) didn't just take over that role?

>>44492541
Is that on /tg/ or /vg/ or something? Sorry if this is a stupid question, I don't frequent many boards but this one.

>>44492579
yes, the bloodborne general on /vg/

>>44492547
Gehrman killed it after Kosm. He was a hunter, after all.

>>44492560
>Doll spends the entire game gently soothing you
>Doll answers matter-of-factly that she does love you, it's how she was created.
>You kill everything
>You burn the world to the ground
>You tear the world's eldritch gods and abominations in half
>Your hunt extends so far as to slay the very thing Moon Presence itself
>Transcending humanity, nurtured by the Doll, you become something greater.
>You wrest control of the Doll from its very creator, binding her to you
>Even as a infant Great One, with the cinders of her entire world smoking in the background, she picks you up gently.
>The Doll continues to nurture you softly.
>The Doll is yours.
>All yours.

>>44492589

How does that explain why it has his voice?

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>>44492502
Except they are connected. The doll comments on feeling as if a weight was lifted from her when you kill her inspiration and says old peg-leg slept soundly for the first time when you kill the kid with the placenta club.

>>44492547
Maybe the Orphan is to Kos and the Hunter's Nightmare what Gehrman is to the Moon Presence and the Hunter's Dream. And who knows, maybe Kos actually based it on Gehrman.

Or perhaps the Orphan is what you get from a human father and a Great One mother, as a foil to Mergo, with the Great One father and the human mother.

Or hell, both.

>>44479970
>>44479982
>>44479992
>>44480007
>>44480020
>>44480037
Truly a shame we only really see the transformation in rapid flashes, or in the Amelia cutscene in shadows and cut frames.

I'd have loved to see a more slow, drawn out transformation.

>>44492616
Asset re-use.

>>44492616
Maybe it was the only voice it heard after it was ripped from the womb and then was cut up. Babies learn through imitation, after all.

>>44492624
I forget, did we ever see Mergo even in concept art?

>>44492142
I always just took it as Gherman sleeping better because he no longer had to worry about being dragged into the nightmare as the first and last of the Old Hunters.

>>44492720
>I forget, did we ever see Mergo even in concept art?

I'm pretty sure Mergo takes after his daddy in terms of looks.

>>44477354
>Magicial Girl Campaign.
I smell plot hook and BBEG.

And possible romantic interest.

Didn't Gehrman take the Orphan to Byrgenworth?

Also, oddly enough the Orphan reminds me of the Pthumerian Descendant/Eldar

>tfw wanting Bloodbourne 2 solely for more Doll waifu shenanigans.

>>44492616
>>44492720
The Orphan of Kos seems to be an inverted hunter; made to hunt hunters as is the theme of the curse that is the Hunters Nightmare.
That it was patterned off of Gherman, the First hunter, only makes sense.

>>44492615
And thus does the child take control from the parent, you take their lives and there toys for yourself. You make there legacy your own.

the good hunter was an Old One's child all along, the hunter's dream being it's interpretation of the individuals it finds heroic, fulfilling it's desire to overcome it's parents and ensure a greater legacy than a younger sibling(i.e. Mergo)

I kid.

>>44492624
The orphan actually fills the role of the moon presence.

Each dream/nightmare needs a Host, and a Source. Gehrman was the host, moon presence was the source. Micolash was the host, Mergo was the source. Maria was "probably" the hose (could also be the buttpained guy at the beginning of the hamlet), Orphan was the source.

People forget that Orphan was a great one just like Kos was. He's actually a very important character in bloodborne since he cursed the shit out of the church to avenge all the fishmen the church was poaching, thus leading to infected blood and the original plot of bloodborne.

>>44492783
Remember that the Dreamlands is host to all sorts of dead hunters, beasts, and kin. The real world one was carted off, but the stain remained on the other side.

>>44477354
My character would fuck it.

>>44492583
Cheers anon

>>44492690
I imagine it looks like a more extreme American Werewolf in London.

>>44492881
Are we talking extreme relative to the time period, or just extreme in general.

Because, at the time, that scene was fucking metal.

>>44492784
>tfw there will never be Bloodborne 2 because Miyazaki thought Bloodborne was 'limited'

>>44492488
this is a decent doc for lore, but like any mass compendium of lore it does take on it's own speculations, but he clearly marks them from what he deems 'face', (with fact being the conclusions he draws form what is available)

>>44480499
dammit, that ending just makes me sadder.

also thanks for reminding me of the sister giggling at the red ribbon

>>44492926
>>44492488

forgot link


https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JL5acskAT_2t062HILImBkV8eXAwaqOj611mSjK-vZ8/edit

>>44492889
I suppose it depends on the person, or ow much blood you're getting, or how involved you are ministration. Usually, I think its a protracted transformation, but a very physical one.

The regular Yharnamites you fight are all fucked up, but not too much. They're like exaggerated Lon Chaney Wolfmen. Notice one arm is actually longer than the other, so it isn't an even transformation, either. They're the first stage because they're still pretty coherent.

Then those troll guys, I think that's either down to particular people, naturally big brutish guys, or it's the third stage. You go from Lon Chaney, to tall wolfey guys (like you fight near the sewers in Yharnam) to trolls and then full on Werewolves. Then particularly strong people become Cleric Beasts and Blood-Starveds, etc.

But then there's the actual church ministers, like Amelia. I'm guessing we never got enough of a proper look at her. Gascoigne, pre-beast mode, looked human enough, he was just big. I'm guessing Amelia probably had some beastliness to her we didn't get a look at. Maybe church ministers and/or Hunters can repress the outward physical symptoms of the Scourge, but eventually, it hits full force.

>>44492926
>>44492970
Thanks, anon!

>>44492904

He's not wrong.

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>>44493047
They do say that the clergy make the most deformed beasts.

>>44493047
Could it be that the more Blood Echos you consume the more extreme the beast transformation is. And I always had a suspicion that the troll guys where that way by design.

>>44493047

Miyazaki has said that the potency of the curse's transformation has a lot to do with human virtue and that the whiplash from human to monster is dependent on how much you cling to humanity. Amelia he cites as an example of someone who clung on tightly for a long time and then WOOMPH suddenly giant fox-mummy-thing.

In contrast, I see people like the troll guys and Gascoigne, who stay basically human but taken on a more savage and brutish appearance, are people who put up basically no real fight and accepted early on the curse for the increased physical power it provided.

>>44493092
I've heard that Ludwig's horse-like form could be a comment on his character. Amelia, however, looks awfully lupine. Wonder what that could say about her.

>>44493077
What about the beast scourge in other countries? I know Yharnam is ground zero, but the Healing Church exists elsewhere. Why can't something else be going on somewhere else?

>>44493128
>tfw the Good Hunter changes

>tfw Gehrman changes

>>44493159
the Healing church is only located in Yharnam. that is the whole reason that the PC goes there in the first place, because Blood Healing only happens in Yharnam. the scourge is only so prevalent there because of blood ministration, a massive amount of beasts compared to the rest of the world because it stems form blood healing

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>>44493143
One theory is that the different beast forms stem from different blood sources, but it only goes as far as beastial(Healing Church), alien(Choir), and insectoid(Vilebloods). Him looking horse-like is a bit weird but may just be him having a closer connection to a Great One instead of having a few degrees of separation from the original source.

I really want to DM a campaign inspired by Bloodborne and other eldritch horror very badly sometime. I was thinking the catalysts be magic rings that all give powers to whoever wears them, but when you put them on and continue wearing them, the powers slowly grow out of control and give birth to nightmarish planar creatures of unknown origin. I was thinking of a few ideas for rings, like a ring that makes the wearer invisible, but the more the person wears it, the more their shadow begins to do things that they don't do, and it begins to assimilate and devour other shadows of objects and people. After it gathers enough, the next time the wearer puts the ring on, his shadow disappears and is no longer there even when the ring is off.

I want the implication to be that it has appeared somewhere in our world and has taken on the attributes of the shadows of things it has devoured and now it hunts with un-satiated hunger.

>>44493159
Honestly I doubt the healing blood finds its way out of Yharnam very often. The Church is both secretive and militant about ministration, and setting up another paleblood garden far from the source is doubtably very feasable. But there has to be at least some bleed through, as Valtr and his constables chased a beast INTO Yharnam, not out of it.
I'd conjecture that outside of Yharnam, the beast scourge is just a persistant rumor until some accident happens.

>>44493163
Dream Hunters can't change, they are immune to the affect of the scourge

remember at the beginging of the game when you first take the blood healing and the werewolf pops out of the pool of blood? when it touches you it bursts into flame because you are immune to the disease because of something in your blood. right after that happens, the messengers crawl over your body then you pass out, signaling your transformation into a Hunter of the Dream.

Durja was a Dream Hunter and he never went crazy with the beast blood despite being in ground zero in Old Yahrnam even after he stopped dreaming. Ellien never went blood crazy either because she was also a dream hunter at one point.

>>44493329
hypo

thetical

>>44493305
That is somewhat true.

Beasts exist because Orphan cursed the healing church and the blood became unreliable.

The aliens were given great one blood, probably from Kos, that turned them into the plip plops originally, and eventually the "perfected" celestial children.

The insectoids in byrgenwerth are just a result of trying to add more eyes to see beyond, Willem's hypothesis. No idea if they did that by using vileblood blood.

>>44493240
>>44493315
That's fair enough. But Cainhurst is far enough from Yharnam apparently the moon doesn't affect it, yet it's still filled with monsters. Couldn't blood have stolen out of Yharnam via conspiracy to some other land, and it naturally goes wrong once there because they don't really know what they're doing.

I dunno, I just feel like there is more that could be done. It's a great setting.

>>44493309
That's okay, but feels more like a regular adventure hook.
If you want it more Bloodborne-y, make it illithid tpe grafts or symbiotes, something biological that's harder to root out or simply not use again. After all, one of the points is that Healing Blood is ubiquitous, used even for intoxication rather than illness or wounds.
Not to mention that the setting plays a huge role.

>>44493381
It is a good setting but Bloodborne and the DLC has told the whole fragmented story. I'm just not sure if theres another video game in there except for a prequel.

Other stories can be told in that universe through other medium sure, but as far as Bloodborne 2 I just don't know what they could do.

>>44493309
Another ring might be a ring of gluttony that lets the wearer eat huge amounts of food without getting full or gaining weight. At first it's okay to eat a ton, but after continued use, the wearer begins to eat more and more to become satisfied. At its final stage, the wearer eats so much that their stomach becomes grossly huge and they begin to feel its contents shifting around inside until a giant wormlike creature forces its way out through their belly button and scurries away. The wearer is unhurt, but a terrible thing is on the loose now.

The creature kills whatever animal it finds and tries to wear and slightly re-animate their corpse. Eventually it begins to kill humans.

This one kind of sounds a little fetishy, but I'm going more for body horror.

>>44493329
Except you can totally trigger the Beast Frenzy manually, with a transformation and everything. And we don't know if dream hunters become blooddrunk because if they do, they're not willing to talk after that.

>>44493420
I kind of wanted it to be a "normal" seeming hook since the players would be used to the typical adventuring affairs and I think it would give them a diminished sense of security as it transpires. It's just a tiny idea though, and anything could introduce these things, really, but I like the idea of the horrible unknowable monsters using the players directly so it feels more personal.

If the players attempted to take off the ring I'd definitely make them do a will save of some kind.

>>44493381
blood was taken from Yharnam. blood of the first queen Yharnam, which the church considered unholy since it wasn't from a great one. it was actually Yharnam blood that Annalise took into herself and became immortal like Yharnam and gaining all her blood powers. that is why they are called Vileblood, because the blood that sired them is considered Vile by the Church. you can see Cainhurst castle from the woods of Hemwick, and is even connected by a bridge

>>44493309
I feel like the ring of invisibility doesn't actually make you invisible, it just sticks you halfway through the veil. Visually, you exist in this eldritch hellscape, physically, you exist here. But the more you wear it, the more you're sundering the veil and eventually it'll tear a hole open and the things that have been able to see but not get you can now get you, because every time you wear that ring, they swarm around you.

>>44493381
It would be a feat to smuggle out the Blood, but it could happen, yes. But unless it was the heist of the century, they wouldn't get enough blood out to make more than a few beasts. Now watching a Hunter work outside Yahrnam would be a feat. Dark Souls fast rolling vs. fucking anime slipsdodges.
Well, we don't know HOW MANY Great Ones there were.

>>44493128
>the potency of the curse's transformation has a lot to do with

Vermin.

Better smash them Vermin, confederate.

>>44493524
Maybe eventually, you become the hole, hands harmlessly burrowing out of your chest, grasping blindly, inhuman eyes peering through your ears, and slippery, oily words pushing into your lungs as you rest.

>>44493538
>Dark Souls fast rolling vs. fucking anime slipsdodges.

>attacking a Hunter
>he just moves in a straight line through your attack, but he "dodged" so it doesn't hit him

>meanwhile, in Darksouls, a perfect dodge results in your foot being touched by a pixel and you take full damage and die on the spot

>>44493524
It would make for nice flavor when they can't actually hurt the person wearing it, but as soon as they can, I feel like they just become new enemies for the players to fight, and I don't want to just make them fight a bunch of planar things normally.

>>44493538
Smuggle enough out to make something really bad, though. Maybe pump into some poor fuck who becomes a living bloodbank for people.

I gotta say though, fast dodges make a hell of a lot more sense to me on a lightly armoured Hunter than a dude in full plate rolling around the place.

>>44493691
>We can make a god with Blood, right?
>Sounds like a good plan! Fill me up, doctor.

>two years later and 20 crates later...

>>44493842
worked for Annalise and she only needed one infusion

>>44493855
I don't think Annalise had regular blood though. It was "forbidden" for whatever reason.

This is a fucking great thread to start the new year on

>>44494095
she had Queen Yharnams blood pumped into her. the amount of blood pump doens't really matter, but the quality of the blood does if you are trying to make you post human

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>>44494197
The Healing Church seems to rely on their blood saints, but they all seem to have a watered down version of the Old Blood. It gets the job done, but then so does blood from random villagers.