Pathfinder General /pfg/

Greta is a DORK.

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Tell us your character concepts.

>>44417615
>>44417664
What happens if you play as an angel and Greta wants a piece of that?

>>44417692

Why would that stop her from getting some?

>>44417666
what

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>>44417684
A functional martial.

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>>44417715
So Greta would be all over this?

>>44417684
I think I actually found a game to play The Golden Lion in!

Except, it doesn't seem like it will be particularly good. So I may drop it.

Fuck me, I just want to roleplay with competent people. This is why I haven't been a player in years.

>>44417684
I have two, both Motherless tieflings.
>A cleric of Chavazvug who began worshipping them after rooting through the dusty tomes of a a traveling wizard adventurer who died defending the town from demons, along with some of the townsfolk
>realizing that they were from the same general cloth, they began to travel the land in their service, cleansing all demonic influence from the land with searing fire

This one is a little less thought out.
>a Motherless who grew up in a town so backwater and filled with incest nobody realized the disgusting looking tiefling had anything wrong with them, and is just beginning to realize that they look horrific and monstrous to the rest of the world

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>>44417767

You smug when you shouldn't, there's plenty of ways to make a functional martial that include, but are not limited to; PoW, slayers, barbarians, brawlers, paladins and more!

>>44417782

Of course she would, who would be crazy enough to not get a piece of that?

>>44417684

>Lizardfolk Steelfist Commando
>Lion-man (Agathion-Blooded Aasimar) Paladin

>>44417761
what what

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>>44417823
What about this?

>>44417865
rock people what

>>44417882
I would much rather bang that then some azata fuckboy.

>>44417666
Pose 5 looks like it's for mating. Is it for mating?

>>44417715
I'm guessing it's suppose to be an alignment thing since she's NE.

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>>44417805
I keep hearing that brawlers are either the worst thing ever or one of the best martial class, could someone clarify that for me? I feel like the feats that you can change on the fly should make it pretty powerful, but I don't really see it myself.

>>44417922
>I'm guessing it's suppose to be an alignment thing since she's NE.

Greta can change her alignment with enough convincing. She's only NE because she lived around NE all her life and just grew up an asshole.

>>44417715
>>44417922
Well, the angel'll first have to shift her alignment somehow

>>44417666
Asmodeus, have you been visiting the Plane of Earth again?

>>44417684
Promethean Alchemist. Grew up knowing her mother's name, but never really got to know her until later. They had a bit of a falling-out later still, and by the time she'd made her homunculus, she was more than a bit fascinated with finding out what exactly it meant to be a good mother - the thing she'd never had. Of course, since the natural way would have too many, er, "moving parts," and could go awry, an alternative solution was found.

>>44417684
>Sensible, strait-laced, Erastil-worshiping town guard who was supposed to arrest a bunch of troublemakers who just showed up... and wound up somehow part of their madness

>Impossible-bloodline sorcerer born on another plane of existence trying to figure out how to get home, when at 20th level, he will realise that the universe he came from is himself thanks to that capstone

>>44417684
Harrow-themed spiritualist.

>>44417882
>Gate Archon
>Gate 1/day spell like ability
>9th level cleric casting
>17 HD so can be called with a GPB 8th level spell

It's the 3.5e planetar all over again.

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>>44417666

>>44417684
>Not!Angel Paladin who fell to earth cause he couldn't stop chasing booty. Has to redeem himself to get his original body and his job back. Can't stop chasing the booty.

>That human guardsman that has to deal with adventurers who burn down the tavern every weekend, gets 'abducted' by the other adventurers. Way out of his league.

>Femme Fatal, with all the grace and seduction of a dwarf being pushed down the mountain.

>>44418047
>Paladin
>fell
Nice try lad
>Femme Fatal
Fatale*

>>44418047
>Femme Fatal, with all the grace and seduction of a dwarf being pushed down the mountain.

So... You're playing Seoni?

>>44418021

It's a kinda nice treat for the Fighter VMC Wizard that made it to their Arcane Discovery to be able to learn the True Name of one, though.

> Have many different build in my head
> Always end up as Conjurer/Summon because issue like low wealth, low point-buy, newbie playing non-archetype rogue, no spell casters in group etc.

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>>44418023

Creating Crossblooded ImpossibleArcane Sorcerer level 11 his main thing is crafting and diplo/bluffomancy.

Books allowed: Any Paizo

Traits
Looking for Work Perception as Class skill and +1

Spark of creation 5% off magic item creation cost and +1 to craft
Normal Wealth level which is 82k

Question 1: Does Craft Wondrous item work in character creation as in can I spend my starting gold on shit I create?

Also using Human taking Focused Study instead of bonus feat. Also taking Silver Tongued Human.

Should I put Skill Focus into Spellcraft and Diplomacy first or just get bluff and diplomacy.

Also what should I put my feats into?

Don't know what to put my 1st 5th and 9th feat into.

Maybe Persuasive for 1st level? Possibly Signature skill for Diplomacy as well. (Who doesn't want standard action diplomacy

I am using sorcerer bonus feat for Craft Magic Armor/Weapon and Craft Wondrous is free at 3rd level form Impossible along with the ignore 2 requirements bit from bloodline.

Any help is appreciated.

>>44418168
>mangaka that take lots of breaks

THEY'RE ALREADY AMONG US

>>44417666
>>44418023
>>44418168
>+2 to wisdom
>can turn into stone
>can detect natural events
the perfect druids

Was there some PoW feature that lets you be in two stances at once, or am I imagining that?

>>44418338
Warlord capstone.

>>44418353
Ah thanks, I knew there was something. Is that the only one?

>http://pastebin.com/62C1eicW
Rate this build. It's the retarded fighter build people asked for.

>>44418338
There's a feat that allows you to enter a style and a stance with the same action.

>>44417015
That is just not true. At high level there are of course imbalances but the majority of class features are unavailable in an E6 game. Feat advancement doesn't create any real feeling of advancement either so you essentially hit a progress wall nearly immediately after which you will never fight anything more difficult than you have done so previously, because you are incapable of it.

Whilst you can then show players in magic items to help them compete with classic fantasy villains like dragons or liches, you are just raising the power level again and defeating your own idea.

E6 doesn't balance anything at all because of two fundamental failures to understand the system it makes. The first is that the game isn't functional at high level, which is not true. The game works aside from a handful of spells that are ludicrously abusable. The second is that the game is more balanced or more functional at low level, which anyone whos seen sleep, color spray, summon monster etc can tell you isn't true. Ultimately E6 simply traps you in a lack of growth for no real improvement. You play a stagnant character who can only grow emotionally, never mechanically and who can't go on any long term adventures or face any threats above CR 10.

>>44418372
Retarded/10, good job

How would an angel act in the modern day?
Say suddenly transported to our present day world

>>44418437
Which one?

>>44418476
Any of them

>>44418493
Then they would do good deeds.

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Don't hide it from me /pfg/
Tell me about your homebrews and houserules to fix the game

>>44418424
>The first is that the game isn't functional at high level, which is not true.

Pathfinder is fundamentally broken and unenjoyable at or near max level. This is not a thing you argue. This isn't an argument, this is literally the selling point of the game.

>The game works aside from a handful of spells that are ludicrously abusable.
...which players have complete and unrestricted access to outside of the DM saying they can't because he needs to create difficulty since it's impossible to challenge them otherwise.

>You play a stagnant character who can only grow emotionally, never mechanically and who can't go on any long term adventures or face any threats above CR 10.
Mechanical advancement is the least compelling reason to keep playing a character, and the whole point of E6 is that you fucking balance the enemies around it.

Yes, the players will not be punching Zon-Kuthon in the face because they can. Yes, they will not be wrestling Cthulu for fun in between creating their own universes. That's THE FUCKING POINT.

>>44418515
W-who's that semen demon, is she anyone

>>44418522
>...which players have complete and unrestricted access to outside of the DM saying they can't because he needs to create difficulty since it's impossible to challenge them otherwise.
Then just, you know, do that?

>>44418535
Why are you allowing a game to reach level 20 if you intend to restrict things people can do at level 20? Just shoot the campaign in the face and start a new one.

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>>44417684
>tiefling magus with the generic "hidden away by his family, then ran away" backstory, is a perfectly nice fellow with a soft spot for children, and his family is a long line of Paladins of Erastil that treated him relatively well. He is utterly clueless about dealing with other people, and to his dismay he probably scares children.
>Agathian-blooded bloodrager, either destined or celestial bloodline, and haven't thought as hard about him. Pic related, because I like the awoo meme

>>44418530
google image search


>>44418522
Get cucкed tbqh family

>>44418522
>Pathfinder is fundamentally broken and unenjoyable at or near max level. This is not a thing you argue. This isn't an argument, this is literally the selling point of the game.
I hadn't realized I wasn't actually enjoying playing at level 16. I'll make sure to be angry next session.

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>>44418515
Homebrew archetype to fix rangers:

Ranger Lore
At first level, a Ranger gains a +2 Bonus on Bluff, Perception, Sense Motive and Survival checks against creatures for every 5 ranks with which the Ranger has knowledge of the associated creature. Likewise, he gets a +2 bonus on weapon attack and damage rolls against them.

In addition, at every 5 ranks the Ranger allocates to Knowledge, the bonuses against the associated creatures increases by 2.

List of Knowledges and Associated Creatures:
Arcana: Constructs, Dragons, Magical Beasts
Dungeoneering: Aberrations, Oozes
Nature: Animals, Fey, Monstrous Humanoids, Plants, Vermin
Local: Humanoids
Planes: Outsiders
Religion: Undead

This replaces Favored Enemy.

Take note: Rangers get 6+INT to skillpoints, so this means even with a flat 0 to int, they can put ranks into knowledge to gain bonuses vs everything.

Some anons argue this makes the Ranger MAD (Str/Dex for combat), (Wis for spells), (INT for ranger lore) but the counter rebuttal is that they can use guided weapons to alleviate the issue anyways.

>>44418551
I mean. It's not like 50% of the spells are broken. It's like less than 5% that are offensive. You're really overreacting.

So /pfg/, I want to build a character centered on Great Old Ones, Lovecraftian horrors, and all those things. Sort of like CoC professor-type, who gained eldritch powers, but went insane. What class/build/etc would it be? A refluffed Wizard sounds boring.

>>44418515

This is someone's character art for a campaign, I'm sure of it.

Quick, what's the breastiest artwork you've ever used for a character.

>>44418551
If you care about a setting getting ridiculous due to a few spells, then come to an agreement with your players to alleviate that. Banning, restricting, or reworking a few spells is a less extreme approach than neutering the entire game. I don't see why this is an issue.

>>44418370
there's a stance from the shadow-themed initiator prestige class that eventually stops being a stance and starts being a thing you benefit from

>>44418607
>What class/build/etc would it be? A refluffed Wizard sounds boring.

Heavens Oracle sounds like it would work.

In fact, just read up on the Oracle in general, it's perfect for what you're going for.

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>>44418515
PCs get PC classes.
NPCs get NPC classes.

Cohorts are NOT PCs. Unless otherwise stated in the class features, cohorts can only get NPC classes.

>>44418530
She's everyone's beloved Generic Big-titted Demon Elf Slut #83237.

>>44418607
Aboleth/Eldritch Sorcerer


Or Impossible/Aboleth

You suddenly groow tentacles out of your back and get a -2 both of them have insanity/mind control themes to them.

The 20th level for Impossible literally makes your insides galaxies or clockwork.

Yo usee things that others can not and your weaker willdu e to your crossblooded heritage has failed your weak mind.

>>44418610
Drawn all my own character pics, so it'd probably be my Halfling Mysterious Stranger.


Also my art is terrible so if you were hoping I'd post it I won't.

So /pfg/, which Pathfinder characters would YOU want porn of?

>>44418648

I take it you also forbid monster cohorts, then?

>>44418648
>PCs get PC classes.
>NPCs get NPC classes.

So, by NPC classes, you mean the ones that exist now just to give non-combat NPCs knowledge/craft skills relevant to their profession, and nothing else?

Because boy, that sounds like a world full of challenge and interesting characte- yeah, no.

>>44418515
Kineticist burn is a flat one point instead of one point per level. Just enough to be a restraint, but not a huge problem.

>>44418682
The ones with tits

>>44418594
don't forget psionics

Hey how would you deal with evil dryads inhabiting the tree(s) your city is built around?
Sadly cutting them down is not an option since these trees are fuck huge and attempting to cut the tree down might just attract all the dryads like a nest of angry bees... angry killer bees

>>44418648
Wait, but NPCs can have PC classes, we see this everywhere.

>>44418707
the original prompt was "post your fixes and houserules", and he did

>>44418700
Surrender the city - make a fighting retreat. Let them have this place, let's go somewhere else and kill as many of them as we can on the way.

>>44418682
Qlippoth.
For real though, most of the feminine monsters, from the Gate Archon to the Erodaemon.

>>44418682
Rat paladin clearly

>>44418682

If I had to be completely honest?

Seoni, Shayliss and something incredibly cute and vanilla with Arueshalae.

>>44418682
What would I need porn of them for?

What possible game-related purpose could this serve?

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Commission anon from /pfg/ so i saw the consensus was arueshalae. Who do i pair her with? Pic related maybe?

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>>44418610
This busty enough?

>>44418684
There are exceptions.

>>44418688
The Warrior, Expert and Adept can functionally be a boon to a group without stealing any established roles.

Warriors have full BAB and fewer feats than the Fighter.
Adepts lack the Wizard's overpowered spells, but still have good utility and support spells like Grease, Bull's Strength, Cure Medium Wounds, etc.
Experts have access to all skills but without being the supreme skill monkey like the Bard and Rogue.

>>44418700
Evacuate the citizens and get a wizard to light the trees on fire, then run away and wait the fire/dryads out

>>44418766
Apollyon.

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>>44418682

>>44418769
MOAR!

>>44418766
C'mon Areelu Vorlesh

>>44418766
Seoni.

>>44418700
SMITE!

>>44418790
How is Ezren even that ripped? There's no way that's his STR score at work. I mean, he's a middle-aged wizard.

>>44418205
1) Ask your GM silly anon. It isn't such an unreasonable request though.

2) Diplomacy. What would you needs more spellcraft? There is a hard limit on how much you can craft per day and increasing spellcraft wouldn't help.

>>44418766
That could be okay, and if Imrijka features in WotR it could even be thematically fitting. I personally wouldn't mind seeing the Iconic inquisitor with the other girl in that picture, but a succubus is fine too. The real question is who should have a dick and my vote is solidly on Imrijka for that one.

>>44418812
M Y T H I C
>>44418766
G R E T A

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>>44418792
This ain't a cheescake thread. I'll post this last one anyways.

>>44418707
Its a balancing fix. We have players who get leadership and end up with armies of fucking wizards.

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>>44418790
>>44418812
Wizard gains in power are quadratic. He's a wizard.

>>44418812
Mythic is a hell of a drug

>>44418726

This is probably the most logical reaction. However the scenario esculates. The Dryads are minions to a Necromancer Druid... Break out the starburst.. Even if you surrender the city eventually the blight will spread.

>>44418779
That may destroy the entire city. (Bloodcove)

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>>44418766
>Who do i pair her with?

That insecure Tiefling introduced in AP #100, the one with a dick.

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>>44418790
>>44418812
>>44418836
>>44418825

>>44418594
I like it. But if I invest all my skillpoints in knowledge, what about other skills like Ride, Handle Animal, Survival, etc?

>>44418769
>This busty enough?

Yeah, but now I'm trying to figure out just who she was and what spurred you to choose that for the character.

>>44418515
http://theworldissquare.com/feat-taxes-in-pathfinder/

Some of the best Feat Tax Fixes for PF.

>>44418828
You mean like wizards get with their archetype that gives them int based leadership?

Also per leadership only cohorts can have PC class levels, followers can't.

>>44418766
Greta.

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>>44418897
>only cohorts can have PC class levels, followers can't.

I'd rather not risk it and just give the cohort an NPC level instead.

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Jesus what happened to this thread.

>>44418931
You could just ask whoever takes Leadership to chill out with their cohort and do something more interesting with them than having a second character/crafting bitch

>>44418901
>>44418825
Looks like the stalemate is broken. Im gonna let this sit and hopefully get more responses in the morning.

>>44418931
Honestly I agree with you, but I just ban leadership entirely. I feel as if followers should be garnered RP. Not a feat slot.

>>44418766
Greta, please!

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>>44418766
No one, just someone brushing her teeth and telling her that it's a normal thing humans do to one another.

>>44418515
Not sure if it fixes anything or if it's truly a houserule, but it's fun. Every NPC that has to be statted has a PC class. If the character in question is not a martial (I use PoW) or caster (psionics and pact magic go here), it's some sort of rogue. The class level is ususally character's age divided by six, starting at adulthood (children an minors are never statted because reason), and then modified by the NPC's supposed rank or expertise. Also, there's a megaton of adventurers who roam the lands and are not subject to any restrictions.

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>>44418952
>Player taking leadership
>Implying he didn't want to roll a second PC
>Implying he doesn't want a craft bitch to make his gear cheap.

>>44418957
Unfortunately, some class archetypes grant leadership, so you may as well address a fix instead of a ban.

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>>44418989

>Brushing teeth

Why not make it a wet T-Shirt contest for the title belt of Best Girl, with a panel of Iconic judges?

Ezren looks like he'd rather not be there.

>>44419021
I took Leadership for a spy to help me in political manoeuvring tbqh

>>44419021
I just ban those archetypes too, meh. No fucks given.

>>44419024
Because presumably whoever Anon is commissioning from charges more for every character in the picture. That's how it usually goes with commissions at least.

>>44419021
I want to marry a drow!
>>44419024
>Feiya up there, with her fox on the panel board
>Alahazra saying she can't see anything
>Valeros winning the title

>>44418648
Well if leadership is in any way based off d&d 3.5. Not only cohorts but followers get call levels as well. There is prove of this in the torch bearer & squire archetypes.

>>44418957
Why not both? Leadership followers can represent a particularly loyal cadre

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>>44419078

>Greta shakes the water off like a dog
>Arueshalae does a tease with her wings

>>44419091
Nah. I'll just have him be more loyal, no need for a feat.

>>44419081
Just saw the post. I redact my commit

Speaking of Leadership. I take it usually after I gain some base of operations. The cohorts usually oversee it and defend if needed (they are either more then capable commanders or casters), and most of the followers are valets/innkeepers/merchants/spies/whatever, scattered throughout the world, so I don't need to bother with inn stays/infiltrating guilds/finding a fence/etc.

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>>44419123
>Ezren doing a line of mythic in the back

>>44419161
I've done it before as a wizard with the archetype and have them run a university (well it eventually becomes a university).

>>44419162
They really like focusing on his massive arms, don't they?

>>44419162
Wait are the mythic iconics just the iconics with mythic ranks? Not new ones? Does anyone have art for them?

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>>44418515
My other houserule:
You can only activate two magic items regardless of how many you can activate within your round. This is to prevent the wizard and his familiar from wrecking an entire encounter solo.

>>44419078
Drow are not for lewd.
They are to be purged!

>>44419202
If there were new Iconics for each kind of mythic, what would you want them to be?

>>44419162

>FIGHTERS HATE HIM!
>Learn how to make gains with this one weird trick

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>>44419217
Drow are for marriage

>>44419220
permanencied bull's strength

>>44419219
I don't even know. I'm really curious about the art though. Where do they come from? Is mythic first party?

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>>44419202

>>44419220
>one weird trick
>not cantrip

>>44419217
I don't think that houserule actually stops wizards at all

>>44419266
I like it. I like it a lot.

>>44419243

Drow are for knocking up in a musky corner of the Underdark and leaving to care for the mongrel alone.

>>44419266
Why are Valeros and Kyra neanderthals?

>>44418515
Mounts cannot support their Rider when they're at less than 25% of their total HP. I dislike my players turning mounts into temporary HP. This is a general fix.

>>44419289
Not as much. But it stops the asshole in our group from mass summoning creatures that can use wands and scrolls.

>>44419319
Why is that necessary? Aren't enemies attacking the rider anyway?

>>44419219
>Archmage is a Wayang Wizard
>Champion is Trox Brawler
>Gaurdian is Ghoran Barbarian
>Hierophant is Teifling Oracle
>Marshal is Aasimar Cleric
>Trickster is Caligni Bard

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>>44419305
>Not marrying a drow
>Not giving her a safe life that's better than what she had in the underdark
>Not having a bunch of beautiful half breed children
Sir, your plebeian taste has been noted. I bet you like succubii.

>>44419414

>Implying the cutesy love-and-marriage thing isn't the most plebeian of them all

>>44417947
I find it really fun. Using pummel style (you can do the same for monk) you can get past DR finally. Also, the change feat on the fly is really great for RP likeholy hell its flavorfull. Strength wise, i would say mid tier for martial class so still below any caster for the most part. But, class "strength" is silly and if you have to worry abiut tiers you have a bigger problem on your hands. TL;DR super fun and can be strong but if your group is min/maxing there are better options

>>44419414

So find yourself a low ranking peasant with no chance of moving up the social ladder?

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>>44419414
>not liking sucubutts
You are an uncultured swine.

>>44419469

By that point, what's a Drow peasant got that a tough and capable Half-Elf doesn't?

I just can't understand why you'd want to marry a Drow when they're really only good for a quick, sloppy fuck just to say you "Delved the Underdark."

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>>44419414
>disliking succubi

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>All these loveless adventurers
You all disappoint me.

>>44419266
>Merisiel has sunglasses
>Valeros removed most of his armor
>Seelah has an actual halo
>Sajan's got that weird eye thing going on
>smug Amiri
>Lem isn't drunk
>Harsk with unnecessary goggles
>Lini doesn't actually look much different

what

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>>44419563
>all these naive mortals and their futile endeavors

FTFY

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>>44419414
>not cloning your perfect waifu from yourself
>not cloning 5 of them

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>>44419563

Anon, my characters are currently in very loving and fulfilling relationships.

I just don't see the reason to talk about them.

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>>44419552
We've already established Albedo is an Erinyes or really, any of the Furies.
Her stats and spell list (No charms and compulsions) suggests someone who kills and maims rather than seduces and beds.

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>>44419563
Hey man, I've experienced love multiple times.
>Bard with a wench in every pub, in every town, in every city. And even in one circle of hell.

>>44419594
>Not purposefully triggering the trap on a clone of Sorshen to become the perfect waifu

>>44419686
>not in every circle of hell
>not in every Outer and Inner Plane
>not in every layer of the Abyss

You still have room to improve.

>>44419563
I WOULD but my DM thinks having a significant other means he gets an opportunity to have them get raped, killed, kidnapped or some other malicious fate for the sake of muh roleplay.

>>44419730
You have a shit DM. My condolescences.

>>44419720
>not in every circle of hell
Lusts and Sodomy exists in only one circle, anon.

>>44419752
Well, what kind of bard you are if you can't introduce these concepts to other circles and planes?

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>>44419593
>Thinking you can compete with me
>In my thread
You're just flavor of the month

>>44419686
>The bard takes leadership.
>he has a horde of whores.
>They're all spies, courtesans, fences and other non-combat supporting role.

>>44419730
>but my DM thinks having a significant other means he gets an opportunity to have them get raped, killed, kidnapped or some other malicious fate for the sake of muh roleplay.

This smells like a storytime, because you wouldn't be saying this without experience.

Let it out, anon, /pfg/ loves a tale.

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>>44419563
I was about to deny this, but then I realized despite each getting laid, neither of my characters are actually in any loving relationships.

>one keeps getting harassed by another party member, but she's admitted she doesn't actually give a shit about him yet
>the other one woke up in a brothel after he got drunk off his ass, swore to drink less next time

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>>44419770
>implying even the gods can outrun the inevitability of death

>>44419765
Our party barbarian became warchief of one of the other circles and runs the place like Khorne having a field day. Needless to say, I'll stick to MY personal hell, thanks.

>>44419800

upboat

>>44419563
>implying my demigod son of Erastil didn't find true love with a redeemed succubutt

>>44419653
>She's also a slut.

>>44419840
JJ please go, this is no place for you

>>44419563

>My Slayer is technically in a true love relationship with an extremely powerful forest spirit, he just has to find her and their daughter first
>My fighter has a casual fuckbuddy relationship with the Samurai that has developed into something more
>My Warder is off adventuring because it pays the bills, and a Kitsune wife with numerous children rack up a lot of bills

>>44419375
>Carligni

confirmed for pleb

>>44419869
>LG Erastil
>James Jacobs

Does not compute. This is the guy who admits that he dislikes LG because he thinks its the most disruptive alignment of all.

How does the Psychic bloodline capstone ability work? Does that Mind Swap have a duration of 1 hour/level, after which I die?

>>44419800
>Be Paladin
>No vows of celibacy for me. Have a cute wife waiting for my return while she volunteers at a shelter
>Hear news my city has been razed
>Return home
>Wife is gone. No signs of death. Wizard even helped me scry for her corpse. Nothing.
>Devil appears, tempts me to abandon faith for love and become his lieutenant.
>SMITE AND PURGE
>Devil laughs off my attacks, tells me that if I want my wife, I shall fetch for her in hell.
>Party and I sidetrack main quest - go save my wife. They are broest of bros.
>Get to hell, find my wife.
>She was in hell for THREE GODDAMN DAYS and already she's a mindbroken slut hooked on demon cock.
>Devil tells me he can fix her with a mindwipe
>Here's a conundrum: I don't fix her and I'll suffer guilt. if I fix her, I become a devil's bitch.
>I mercykill my own wife and fall
>Didn't trade away faith for love. I didn't give the devil what he wanted.
>With the help of my bros, I died killing a devil in his own homefield
>rest of party returns to main quest
>Roll a new character
>Its a Bard
>He sing the tale of my last Paladin whose death becomes a symbol of faith.
>Just to rub it in that I won against my DM's railroad.

>>44420030

What was the railroad? The falling? Or the wife dying?

>>44420030
>fall
see >>44419744

>>44420067
He wants my Paladin to become an Antipaladin.
I said fuck that.

>>44420030

Did the DM get bitchy when you broke the railroad?

>>44420101

Ah. Well good on you.

>>44420030
if your dm railroaded you why are you still playing with him

>>44420030
>She was in hell for THREE GODDAMN DAYS and already she's a mindbroken slut hooked on demon cock.

Stopped reading right there.

Everyone knows it doesn't take more than a a day to make any woman a mindbroken slut.

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>>44419552
>>44419653

It's actually implied somewhat that Albedo might be a Nalfeshnee. Shaltear calls her a "gorilla," she's got high physical combat power rather than magical, and she does that creepy wide-mouth thing that none of the other D&D fiends sport. Since Overlord is based nearly concept-by-concept on D&D 3.5, it seems to fit.

>>44420136
>Nalfeshnee
Doesn't her character sheet say she's an Imp?

>>44420124
Because he's only DM until his campaign is over, then we'll switch to someone else DMing.

>>44420128
/r9k/ pls go

If the demodands got a familiar type, what would it be like?

>>44420169
>implying I'm from /r9k/
>implying this isn't a hentai cliche.

>>44420154
It says she's got 10 levels of Imp, then has 20 levels unstated. There's been a lot of theorizing about what those other 20 levels are.

>>44420108

Last time I broke the railroad the DM got really, really guilty for putting my character on it.

Like, the kind of guilty that makes them think creating a custom super-waifu for the character is the only way to repay them.

He NTR'd my character because he thought my guy would be okay with Yuri involving the character's wife and a female knight they rescued. Shit got brutal.

>>44420237
>10 levels of Imp
I read that before and thought "That's really stupid", and then I remember Racial Paragon Classes exist.

What class features would being levels of Imp even provide?

>>44420261

Smug becomes a class skill.

>>44420261
No idea. It's probably not quite mapped to 3.5, given that she's got 30 racial levels and 70 job levels.

Ainz has 40 levels of race, going 15 into "Skeleton Mage," 10 into "Elder Lich," and 5 into "Overlord."

Levels of Imp might give her shapeshifting and communication stuff, or maybe poison, or stuff based on the D&D imps' fluff; who knows.

How would you stat the Monkey King?

>>44420338
Son Wukong is far beyond even high mythic martials in his abilities.

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>>44419552
Overlord season 2 when?
I've lost any hope for Log Horizon s3 after DEEN
I Still Believe for a Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon s3

Also, Shalltear a best

>>44420359
How do you figure?

>>44420359

He's actually a god in Tian Xia, known to wander the countryside as a charming drunkard so he can pick fights, have fun, and hit on women.

He's a better Cayden Cailean, in fact most gods in Tian Xia are better at their portfolio than the Avistan equivalent.

>>44420406
He is based off a real-world mythological figure, so that's not difficult

Sun Wukong is so freaking based

>>44420338
We've been over this.

He's dipped into bard or sorc to access these spells:
Shapechange
Mad Monkeys
Enlarge / Shrink
Overland Flight
Mage Hand
Hold Person

But he's mostly a Pow Initiator of Primal Fury (which explains why his staff stretches and shrinks and can reach distant foes)

>>44420393

Well, the first thing I can think of is that one leap he did. Something like 30,000 miles in a single bound?

>>44420328
I thought Ainz was level 100?

>>44420136
Well she's got 30 racial levels, 10 of which are imp, which is 'devil' rather than 'demon'.

More likely it's that succubi in overlord 'eat men' in an unseductive way, kinda like how shelltear's true form is an ugly long tongued lamprey thing. Albedo's stats can easily be explained by her job levels which are all tanky as fuck.

>10 guardian
>5 black guard
>10 unholy knight
>5 shield lord

Her physical strength isn't maxed out, it's her defenses that are all top notch.

>>44420482
He is. 40 levels of race, 60 of class.

>>44420338
Vanarra Sorceror (Kitsune Bloodline for access to at-will alter self)

>>44420482
The characters have racial 'jobs' and regular classes if they're not standard 'humanoid' races.

Ainz is 100, but 15 of that is skeleton mage, 10 is elder lich, 5 is overlord, and over in his class-class levels, he's got 10 necromancer, 10 "death master", and 5 Eclipse (which is the class that actually makes death effects fucking work lategame)

not 100% of all characters classes have been unveiled.

Fuck frogs

>>44420558
Fuck newts

>>44420558

Only if they buy me dinner first.

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>>44420558
What seems to be the issue, anon?

>>44420546
>which is the class that actually makes death effects fucking work lategame

3.5e had that as a prestige class.
Death Emissary or something.
I still remember its class skills actually makes negative energy and death effects affects undead normally.

>>44420608
not just undead. consider all the things that get immunity to it otherwise, from "negative energy protection" to items to "everyone gets fuckhigh saves because that would be technically an instant kill so everyone's save bonuses are easily as high as the DC itself to compensate" and so on and so forth.

Sometimes you need to be able to mass-murder the air and earth themselves.

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>>44419552
>>44420384
Best girl. Would embrace gently.

>>44418372
So is this viable at level 20?

>>44418425
Thanks, I try.

>>44419653
>>44420136
While Yggdrasil draws very, very heavily from 3.5 its not a straight copy. Her racial levels started off with Imp and she mentions having succubus blood at one point, so the demon/devil divide probably doesn't exist there.

>>44420647
Sweet, does this mean I can power word: kill golems and castle walls as well?

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Okay, let's say I wanted to get an animal companion that could access its own "super mode" temporarily (maybe once per combat or x/day?).

How exactly am I supposed to do that?

>>44420393
He can cockslap any god that isn't The Buddha with his eyes closed. He's immortal about five times over due to peach theft, and uses an artefact created with the sole design goal of "be heavy as fuck" as a weapon like it was nothing.

>>44420664
Like Ainz did?

>>44420695
I think anon meant the eclipse class. I don't recall any PRC in 3.5 that let you ignore shit like death ward.

It's 3.5 though so there must have been *somewhere*

>>44420474
Ironically, that was one of the few times he failed.

Buddha is bullfuck OP.

>>44420732
Summoner. Evolution Surge.

>>44420742
>He's immortal about five times over due to peach theft,
And erasing the names of all the monkeys from the book of death.

>>44420732
Cast Avatism on it. Perhaps get in stored in a ring or scroll or something while your at it.
Done.

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>>44420774

>>44420695
he screamed of the banshee and it destroyed the ground air and all the actual creatures around.

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Anyone know anything about the Blood War (The fight between devils and demons?)
Lay me down with some lore.
How badass do you have to be to get hired as a mercenary?

>>44418515
I try hard not to let myself get too carried away with fixes to any D&D 3oid. It always tries to get away from me and turn into making a complete new system.

I independently did almost all of these >>44418894, and I'll probably start using the ones I don't already

Beyond that, I allow a good number of options, am easy about letting people that gimped themselves (eg, playing fighter/rogues) rebuild, and play with people that are not asses that get their jollies out of abusing the campaign with the most terrible spells.

>>44420846
Does the Blood War even exist in Golarion?

>>44420774
No shit. This is the same guy who while still a mortal human, meditated so long, he learned he could voluntarily control his body and halted his aging so he could meditate another 1000 years and reach Nirvana.

>>44420757
>>44420695

I know for a fact it doesn't exist. I've checked every issue of Dragon and Dungeon from 3.0 onwards, as well as even the obscure setting books.

The closest we've got is Dread Witch, which does it for fear effects, or hitting them with Humanoid Essence/Spark of Life beforehand.

>>44420846
>How badass do you have to be to get hired as a mercenary?
Do you want to be paid? Then you have to make it worth their while. The devils, that is. The demons are as likely to betray you as pay you.

>>44420880
>I know for a fact it doesn't exist.
>only checked the official material

>>44420857
Supposedly not, because they think that it takes the focus away from attempts to corrupt/gain mortal souls.

>>44420675
I'm not actually judging the viability, because without knowing the actual campaign, it's a total irrelevancy, but I did look over a bunch of stuff just out of curiosity, and most of it looks accurate enough. I haven't really finely analyzed everything, because fuck that, but I'm confused on one major thing that could alter a lot:

Who is crafting those custom unique Wondrous Items for you?

>>44420904
um, that's actually fair.
Because anyone could homebrew anything and go "NO THAT CLASS WAS TOTALLY IN THE GAME BECAUSE SEE I WROTE ONE SO IT WAS IN THERE", but that wouldn't make it true.

>>44420886
Hence why I'm asking what's the cut off?
How's the pay?
What's the terms and conditions?
At what point does it go from 'making it the devils worthwhile' to 'making it the mercenary's worthwhile'?
>>44420857
There's that worldscar, no?

>>44420983
>didn't even check third-party

>>44420956
>Who is crafting those custom unique Wondrous Items for you?
Our GM told all of us that we had access to artisans who would make us combo items. That items for spells would have to be negotiated with him, but items that were merely combinations of existing items could just be plugged into the formula and purchased.

>>44421015
Oh well, okie dokie then. GM permission makes that totally viable.
That was all I was curious about.

>>44420996
>How's the pay?
>What's the terms and conditions?
Both negotiable.
>At what point does it go from 'making it the devils worthwhile' to 'making it the mercenary's worthwhile'?
When you have something to offer them that they don't already have.

>>44421015
He told us that between The City of Brass, Sigil, and other extra planar metropolises there would be artisans willing to make us items.

>>44421031
What do they have? What do they need?

I have a mighty need to make a deal with some devils and I'm only good at swording things.

>>44418522
You can't punch Zon-Kuthon in the face unless you are like level 25 and using mythic rules and the same goes for grappling cthulhu. Doing that sort of thing requires going BEYOND the pathfinder rules and beyond level 20.

None of what yo think high level is actually exists. You have to go outside the pathfinder rules for people to be powerful enough to fight gods or cthulhu.

>>44421092
>You have to go outside the pathfinder rules for people to be powerful enough to fight gods or cthulhu.
>Cthulhu
Uh, no. He's CR 30, sure, but he's not actually all THAT tough.

>>44421072
>What do they need?
Well, that's the question.

>What do they have?
You kidding me?

>I'm only good at swording things.
Grist for the mill, eh? Better than the basic shit, but are you competitive with higher-rank demons?

Why would they hire outside their own hierarchy, is what I'm getting at.

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Some advice for fellow DMs.
These are not CR 3 and CR 5. DO NOT BELIEVE THEM. THESE THINGS ARE NOT CR APPROPRIATE. FAST SWALLOW IS TOO STRONG.

Bite for 2d6+6, followed by grab at +12, followed by fast swallow at +12 with an immediate extra 2d6+6 damage then 1d6 each round as they helplessly roll around in the gut.

>>44421100
What? 50% of all attacks dont work against him unless you subject yourself to permenant insanity and he has a death or stagger aura that will cripple anyone without an amazing will save. Not to mention he has wish, SR 41 and immunity to just about everything.

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>>44421113
My DM did the same to my Magus with a giant snake.

Funny enough, I had a hard time hitting that thing until it swallowed me. Then I rolled a critical triple intensified shocking grasp spellstrike directly to its innards.

>>44421146
It's only a DC 40. One optimized level 20 fighter could simply kill him. (Hell, I was the guy who posted the fighter above, it could kill him easily, all he'd have to do was buy 1 scroll of true sight. With a +34 will save and rerolls he'd be very likely to pass, and as soon as he passed Cthulhu would be the loser in the situation).

>>44421146
Why are you that close to him?

>>44421179
Why are you within 300 feet? Because he has at will greater teleport and you can barely make the perception checks to even see him past 300 feet.
>>44421178
How is the fighter going to top fast healing 30, dr 20 etc? I didn't read the fighter so im not sure how much damage he does or what his defenses are.

I need pictures, /pfg/! Pictures of Mesmerists!

>>44421215
>you can barely make the perception checks to even see him past 300 feet.
What? Cthulhu is fucking huge,and 300 feet is fuck-all. Less than 100 metres. If you can't see a normal human at 100m who isn't trying to hide, it'd better be a lightless night.

>>44421113
They only needs to do 5 damage to get out and disable swallow whole ability for the whole encounter?

>>44421215
Perception Check is reactive. You only needs to do perception check if the enemy is trying to hide or if you wants to see fine detail on the enemy.

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>>44421250
Might I suggest the character art threads?

>>44421215
There was a guy who asking how to break 1000 DPR as a fighter a few thread ago. So I guess 800-900 DPR is feasible.

>>44421309
Point taken.

>>44421255
Are we using raw or not? Because raw its DC 30 to see him at 30 feet (which you can easily make at level 20) but quite hard at DC 50 to see him at 500.
>>44421296
Nope, perceiving a visible creature is DC 0. With the -1 penalty for every 10 feet its effectively DC 1 per ten feet.

>>44421309
>that one goblin 'mirin

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>>44421309
>that picture

>>44421341
>its DC 30 to see him at 30 feet
That's the stupidest goddamn thing I've ever heard. Did you forget the size modifier?

>peasants can't see horses at 300'
Jesus fuck, PF.

>>44421215
If I changed him slightly specifically to fight Cuthulhu (which is changing out 2 feats and a weapon enchantment). He has a +36 will save and up to 7 rerolls, or a +41 if he needs it.

He does on average per round 656 damage spaced out over 7 attacks. With DR 20 that's -140, plus fast healing that brings it down to -170.

On average one of his attacks misses, so that brings it down another 50. So that's 434 damage per round towards Cthulhu death, or death in 2 rounds.

In contrast Cthulhu only hits him on a 14+. So only a 35% chance of hitting. He can't grab the fighter because Freedom of Movement, and simply won't be able to do enough damage to kill the fighter in time.

The fighter repeats when he reforms. If he's feeling like he is at low health then he uses a Heal scroll.

So for the price of switching 2 feats, one weapon enchantment, and buying a True Sight and a Heal scroll the fighter can easily win.

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>>44419414

>>44421259
Bite for 2d6+6 followed by grab > swallow whole for another 2d6+6 so 4d6+12. Not all level 3 party members wake up from that to be able to hit the insides.

>>44421341
Read the whole damn thing about Perception skill not just the table.

>>44421366
That... sounds about right. Wow. I guess he could use wish but outside of that it sounds like most of his DCs have no chance.

>>44421309
>barbarianwith+5charismatakesleadership.jpg

>>44421366
To add to this, the best option to win for Cthulhu is to wish the fighter away, but the fighter is dimensionally anchored and very likely to pass a save if Cthulhu decides to use the wish for that instead to recreate a spell or undo misfortune. Wishing himself back to full would merely buy time.

Also his mythic surge would help him hit, but not enough to make the difference to kill the fighter unfortunately. Especially if I change 1-2 things around and increase the fighter's AC by 4. I made the fighter more widely effective, a few changes makes him basically as good but also fantastic at killed Cthulhu.

>>44421442
Dimensional Anchor doesn't mean anything against Wish's transport clause, but as you note, the fighter could probably pass anyway.

>>44421413
Unfortunately the wish won't work too well for reasoning I sited >>44421442


Unless he is gonna use the "likely to be fucked over" wish, then that may work.

>>44421458
It doesn't you're right, huh. I thought the wording was "similar effects" not "similar spell-like abilities". Though it is debatable because it is a spell like ability that teleports you, but again the fighter can simply pass the save.

>>44421113
Huh, it's like a weedier version of the Froghemoth. Which is something like CR8-12.

>>44421359
Actually it's not the rule fault here. He just conveniently skips a lot of detail in Perception skill to makes his argument sound better.

> Check: Perception has a number of uses, the most common of which is an opposed check versus an opponent's Stealth check to notice the opponent and avoid being surprised. If you are successful, you notice the opponent and can react accordingly. If you fail, your opponent can take a variety of actions, including sneaking past you and attacking you.

Perception is also used to notice fine details in the environment. The DC to notice such details varies depending upon distance, the environment, and how noticeable the detail is. The following table gives a number of guidelines.

So there is no freaking Perception check if you are already in combat. Unless you wants to see Cthulu detail for some reason.

>>44421407
A visible creature is a fine detail according to the table, similar to the smell of garbage or the sound of walking.

>>44421533
You are purposefully twisting language to make it seem like you see fine details ABOUT the subject on the table. The table however lists its entries as "details". Not as things you see details about, but the details themselves.

>>44421442
>>44421468
>>44421366
One thing to add! Cthulhu can indeed run if he fears death. However the fighter can merely teleport next to him if he decides to run. If Cthulhu pushes the matter he can indeed disengage and move, but then the fighter can keep up by running. The only way Cthulhu can get away if by taking the run action, which provokes an AoO. However the fighter can not actually trip him to stop his movement due to Cthulhu having a fucking 90 CMD.

So running is a viable strategy for Cthulhu, but will provoke multiple AoOs. He may die just from that because the fighter can take 7 AoOs per round, and he'll trigger several while moving away.

>>44421576
Cthulhu is not a detail. Cthulhu is a geographical feature.

>>44421592
He's a visible creature. I am not trying to say i approve of RAW, i approve of this about as much as i approve of sleep, color spray or the fact you can only "aid another" in a group grapple for a fucking useless +2. But that doesn't make it less true.

>>44421617
>I am not trying to say i approve of RAW
Then why do you keep arguing it, you sausage?

>>44421625
Because the game is played in RAW and if we want to theory craft about fighting cthulhu we have to use RAW or a specific set of DM houserules as its impossible to know what an individual DM will rule.

Also I'm talking about this because you guys are spreading incorrect information about how perception works by RAW. I hate certain rules (like this one) but when you guys are trying to teach people that perception doesn't work the way it does its going to fuck them over in any future RAW arguments.

>>44421654
>Because the game is played in RAW
Not by any sane group.

Cthulhu doesn't just have Wish, he has Mythic Wish.
Which you can use as an Immediate action before a d20 is rolled to decide what the result of that die is.
He can force you to roll a natural 1, which is an automatic failure regardless of bonuses, on anything he wants.
Meaning, he is capable of automatically killing you with his Unspeakable Presence. If you're Immune to Fear, which you could be, he could instead do it with Insanity or Feeblemind.
If you were Immune to Mind-Affecting in general, which you could be, that'd be more challenging, but he could dispel it with Greater Dispel Magic. Actually, Greater Dispel Magic could be used for removing your Immunity to Fear, or turning off any magical items too. It's a useful tool.

It's really stupid cheeky 'MYTHIC' bullshit to be able to just tell someone that they rolled a '1' and auto-failed something, and I agree that it's retarded and that in most cases a party should destroy Cthulhu, BUT in the case of a single person vs. a single Cthulhu, there's a good chance he'd still win.

>>44421576
It's "Notice a visible creature" not "See a visible creature". If you already notice him (ie. Combat already start) there is no needs for perception check.

>>44421654
I have never met a GM who actually played with the "You can't see horses at 100 ft" interpretation of RAW.

Mainly I would say that PFS, and all APs don't use that interpretation. If Paizo doesn't treat their down system that way, why should we during arguments?

>>44421666
He makes me roll a 1, I reroll the save. How many times can he do that?

Because it seems like that is really easily beaten by rerolls. How many dice can he decide?

>>44421660
WHO THE FUCK PLAYS PF AND IS SANE?
Who among us who has stuck with this system can pretend we are rational people or that the people we play with be it in person, on roll20, on play by post or at PFS bullshit is fucking sane? Most people think kineticist is OP.
>>44421671
That's true, but cthulhu has perception +52 so its going to be hard to notice him before he notices you. He will get a surprise round in, but it seems like he can only really use it to run against that fighter.

>>44421676
What makes you think APs dont treat it that way or that PFS doesn't? In PFS you never see something more than 100 feet away anyway since 99% of it is in cramped corridors.

>>44421698
Doesn't Cthulhu shake the ground when he walks?

>>44421707
Because I have actually been to PFS games and am actually (for some fucking reason) licensed to officially run them. As for APs you can get this from Iron Gods and Reign of Winter. Both have examples in just the first book.

>>44421695
In the scenario wherein you get a reroll on a failed save, that lets you succeed against this, I think.
Lots of characters don't get rerolls on failed saves as a non-action, even at 20.

>>44421727
If he can only do it once there is an item that lets you do it once a day. 12k to counter his mythic wish.

>>44421617
Oh you wants to go by RAW? Then there is no needs to stay away from him from even preventing his aura. Just run in and die.

Unlike being unconscious (a condition that makes you helpless), Dead doesn't prevent you from acting by RAW.

>>44421708
Hearing that would probably be easier than seeing him. I forget what the rules are for pinpointing a creature by sound, but it probably does count as noticing like >>44421671 said.

>>44421737
Right, yes, I'm aware of this.
But, as I mentioned, most characters don't buy that item, and/or don't have a granted ability that emulates it.

>>44421740
Dead creatures are inanimate objects by RAW.

>>44421754
If you're fighting Cthulhu you might as well prepare to fight him. Honestly I buy one of those for all my characters because rerolls are fantastic.

>>44421755
Technically not true, surprisingly.

>>44421755
I don't think there is actually a rule for that.

>>44421777
>If you're fighting Cthulhu you might as well prepare to fight him. Honestly I buy one of those for all my characters because rerolls are fantastic.

I actually really like that item and I consistently buy it as well, but I completely disagree with the concept that you should know you're fighting Cthulhu before you fight him.
When you start getting into Batman's Infinite Prep-time, the concepts that govern whether something is actually viable start to disappear.
For the sake of the discussion, it was assumed that neither of you knew about the other, or Cthulhu would have his own prep-time to buy his own items and gather his own army and do his own retarded shit that anyone might do when prep-time is available.
Obviously, someone built to kill Cthulhu can kill Cthulhu, yeah? No one needs that particular question answered.

>>44421785
>>44421792
Its a holdover from 3.5. You can target corpses with spells that only affect inanimate objects because they are inanimate objects. I don't think it was ever reprinted in PF, just an assumed rule crossed over from 3.5.

Anyone got some magical realm/ERP campagin stories? I literally am a slutty elf in every game I play.

>>44421740
Dead creatures souls leave their body. All other soul removing effects explicitly state this prevents the creature using that body for its actions, like magic jar, trap the soul etc.

>>44421805
Well, if I was not built to fight him then likely the level 20 fighter I made would have an 'ok' chance at killing him. He has a free action reroll and six normal rerolls. He does enough damage to tear Cthulhu a new one.

I just never wrote what scrolls he carried around (He has the UMD to use them). They would be the following if I wrote a list:
2 Plane Shift
2 Greater Teleport
2 Greater Invisibility
2 Greater Scry
2 True Seeing
2 Heal

Because those are useful scrolls to have sitting around.

So basically unless his consumables had been exhausted and he was yet to buy new ones he would likely win the encounter. Particularly since he can pump his saves to the point only 1s mean he loses, and can beat the mythic wish with a reroll.

>>44421823
And thus by RAW it is not a rule.

>>44421844
>Dead creatures souls leave their body.
Point to the rule that says this.

>>44421846
Yeah, I still think the Fighter you statted above would have a decent chance of winning.

I'm just saying that your Fighter, statted above, is in no way indicative of the average level 20 character. The average level 20 character would suffer significantly more than you, due to their lack of rerolling failed saves.

>>44421855
Dead

The character's hit points are reduced to a negative amount equal to his Constitution score, his Constitution drops to 0, or he is killed outright by a spell or effect. The character's soul leaves his body. Dead characters cannot benefit from normal or magical healing, but they can be restored to life via magic. A dead body decays normally unless magically preserved, but magic that restores a dead character to life also restores the body either to full health or to its condition at the time of death (depending on the spell or device). Either way, resurrected characters need not worry about rigor mortis, decomposition, and other conditions that affect dead bodies.

>The character's soul leaves his body.

Literally in the Conditions section of the SRD

>>44419840
>Demigod
>son of Erastil
Motherfucker, are you in Wrath of the Righteous or is that godling game that Downtime God claimed he'd run actually still going on?

>>44420846
There isn't a blood war in PF's cosmology, at least not to the extent that Hell would feel any desire to directly employ mercs unless it was a scheme to corrupt them.

In D&D it began as a war between Law and Chaos. Eventually the sides divided further into Good and Evil and mostly chilled out, but the demons and devils never stopped, except for the one time they did long enough to absolutely skullfuck an invading Good army. While they genuinely hate each other, neither side actually cares about the war that much. Asmodeus and the archdukes are more concerned with soul harvesting and pile all the work onto Bel, and the demon princes just haphazardly throw shit at hell because they're infinite.

Bel has to take it seriously and does hire/assist mortals that offer to fight, particularly ones with abilities the devils lack, and he doesn't try to fuck them over with contracts or anything.

>>44418021

Pretty sure Gate Archon actually LOST abilities because of the picture being so fuck-huge. Mark Seifter mentioned it in the Bestiary 5 product thread.

>>44421869
The average fighter doesn't have nearly enough optimization. I built that fighter out of necessity because my last few characters got chewed through the grinder that was my friend's level 20 one shots.

My last one was a pre-errata scarred witch doctor, and he barely managed. This fighter is meant to be "survivable".

Also he was built with the same philosophy as that one wizard that gets posted on the forums. It's called like "Lord if the Infinite Wheel" or something. He's in the body of some powerful daemon or demon (can't remember). If anyone could find it I'd love to see it again.

Basically I built the kind of fighter that might be able to be in a party with a wizard of that caliber.

>>44421898
>except for the one time they did long enough to absolutely skullfuck an invading Good army
It was stopped three times. Once to skullfuck a Good army, once to skullfuck illithids, and once to inspect some chasm with seals in Hades.

>>44421889
I played in WotR. Demigod paladin son of Erastil, waifu'd Arueshalae. Storytimed it on /pfg/ before, so probably somewhere in the archive.

Finished the campaign. DM refuses to ever run anything like that again, though. Said system falls apart at high Mythic, and frankly I agree based on how we steamrolled literally everything from Book 3 onwards, minus some ridiculously outmatched scenarios.

>>44417850
>race class
>race class
Ooh exciting

>>44421964

And that kids, is why you don't write an entire Adventure Path for a new, untested system that takes what's already broken about Pathfinder and breaks it in new and exciting ways and expect it to sell well. :v

>>44421988
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>>44421988
Yeah, trying even to vaguely balance things pretty much broke him for DMing for a solid six to eight months, and his average prep for a session was stretching into multiple days by the end with all the rewriting and reworking he had to do.

We each bought him a bottle of (good) whiskey at the end as gratitude for putting in as much effort as he did to try and make it work.

>>44421988
I have to ask about WotR. What level is it supposed to be at? I know it uses mythic ranks, but what level is everyone?

>>44422034
Starts at level 1, runs to level 20. Over the campaign you get 10 Mythic tiers, so at conclusion you're level 20 mythic 10 plus about half a dozen artifacts each.

>>44422034
It's 20/10.
CR 25 (by RAW. More like CR 40.)

>>44422048
Dear lord. At 20/10 you basically should be able to be on par with lesser deities. hell at /3 you can start powering clerics.

So, Sun Wukong, he's a PoW 20//Wizard 20/Trickster 10/Champion 10?

So /pfg/, I'm faced with a bit of a problem.
I'm building a feral hunter, and I really dislike wild shape. Not itself, but the character I have doesn't really work with it. So what could I replace it with that is of similar scale but keeps me not an animal?

>>44422101
I don't think you get to gestalt mythic paths. He'd be purely trickster.

>>44422084
Any one of the four of us could easily punch out a demon lord solo at the end, yes. We did that to Nocticula twice, actually.

>>44422168
You can take Dual Path, which lets you take abilities from both paths, but that's it.

>>44417947
>I feel like the feats that you can change on the fly should make it pretty powerful, but I don't really see it myself.
Use it for martial training. Become Schrödinger's initiator just like Aegis.

New thread
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>>44422757
http://boards.4chan.org/tg/thread/4442275744422757

>>44421903
I wish they would just say "casts as a 17-level Good cleric, you know the drill" rather than having to list out prepared spells every time, would give a lot more room.

>>44421707
>>44421721
Most of the time it doesn't matter because encounters pop-in like GTA V on the 360. While I've not played through every single one of them I'm quite confident you could have a guy with 60ft altitude and +20 left on his perception at a thousand feet, and even in an open field you'd STILL only get to find out there's something coming - or at the very least get 'cinematic approached' - into melee charge range at the most.

But I'll say that its 75% GMs and 25% adventures; because the majority of the time, it's that range or detection would bypass or ruin the GM's "scripting", and most can't handle this.

>>44421889
Downtime's actually running two of that campaign in different places, after the group turned out too big for one party.

One group is in the west, rebuilding infrastructure and trying to up the standards of living and technological level of the region for the good of all, and the other group has evil undead and is probably planning some kind of anti-life equation with giant robots.