/swg/ - The Empire is best Empire Edition

OP question from last thread:

X-Wing question

Why is Soontir Fel so good? If I like Intys, do I need him? Is it worth it to buy a single interceptor to get him? I've currently have the TFA starter, Imp Aces and Reb Aces.

How do I convince my friends to play XWING?

>>44401376
>>44401357

>>44401383
oh and with all 2-speed maneuvers being green, the interceptor can get rid of the stress more easily than most other ships

>>44401383
oh wait interceptors can boost without the engine upgrade. Was thinking Vader for a second there.

>>44401421
Basically this.

The problem with focus on high-PS pilots is that, unless you get a lucky roll, you have the hard choice of spending it on the attack without knowing if you'll need it on defense.

Fel can stack 2 focus and an evade, or any combination of 3 (including target lock, I swear by Targeting Computer, some people swear by Stealth Device).

This means you can guarantee a good attack and either totally avoid arcs, or have the leftover tokens to defend against the 1-2 you can't dodge.

The single biggest issue with trying to use PtL constantly is that so few ships have green hard turns. Even with boost+BR it's hard to stay on a ship's ass with green banks, but the interceptor has hard turns so you can get a 135-degree turn out of it and turn with just about anything short of Daredevil Tycho (who doesn't throw enough dice to be great beyond the 225-degree gimmick turn).

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>"The natural talent these children possess is too great to be wasted by the Jedi. I foresee an army of Force-talented spies in my service, trained in the dark side to peer into every corner of the galaxy from afar. And my enemies will be helpless against such vision. If the surgery fails, I will have lost nothing."
>mfw Palps was planning the Inkies all along

>>44401809
The new-ish book Tarkin, which borrows a few elements from the cartoons, revealed that Sheev's vision for the Empire eventually involves putting loyal Dark Siders in charge of everything

Hey guys were Original Trilogy storm troopers only human/clone remnants or were alien races also Troopers?

>>44402204
only humans

>>44401809
what's this from?

>>44402243
Season 2 Episode 2 of TCW.

>>44402204
I'm fairly certain they were pretty much all humans and clones. I know in the old canon stormtroopers started to have non-humans later on after the Emperor died but I don't know about the First Order

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>>44402030
>loyal
>Dark Siders

>>44402469

If those Dark Siders are dependent on you for their position and worldly power, and know the consequences of biting the hand that feeds them, it could work.

Still risky, however.

Which system is the best for hosting content with players working in the empire? I think it would be cool to host a campaign where the players work for the empire, but each one also has a secret loyalty, like actually being part of a secret task force, being loyal to a specific admiral more than the empire in general or even being a rebel or a hutt plant.

Also do any of the RPGs have any content from the new films? I know that x-wing game does.

Also is Imperial Assault good?

So I think I want to try to run one of the Fantasy Flight Games with one of my groups but I don't if they'd like EotE,AoR or FaD. So should I buy all the core books,starters and DM screens? Or should just the core rulebooks and one of the DM screens suffice?

>>44401809
>Palpatine Master Keikaku

>>44401366
fuck, beat me by three minutes
ah well

>>44403360
Too slow anon. Too slow

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>>44403360

Nah, its the OP's fault for making the new general and just forgetting to link it in the old general

>>44403370
in my defense he didn't link to this one in the last thread

but anyways, question: how long do y'all think that the last of the warlord remnants would be hanging on after the NR-Remnant treaty? Five years, a decade?

>>44402709
AoR; when players hit Duty cap, treat it as the admiral supporting the player that contributed the most Duty by helping them and the group gain higher military ranks/ benefits.

RPGs are mostly just set for Original Trilogy with only a handful of stats for stuff that would be around from the Prequel Trilogy. You can expect stuff from any Anthologies set near or before RotJ to make its way in sooner or later. Official stuff for Sequel Trilogy will mostly be held off for an era supplement or something way down the road once the era is more fleshed out and FFG starts running out of Career books to focus on.

Imperial Assault is very good.

>>44402975
Just buy one of the Beginner Games. It gets everyone into the rules and see if they like it, and it's all the same basic system, players would just pull from the core that fits their character idea better. In terms of which to get, it's a matter of if you think the group would like to run through adventures to steal a ship and argue with a Hutt (EotE), raid an Imperial base and defend it (AoR), or beat up a bunch of random people in the general vicinity of an old temple and then keep doing that until they find some holocrons (FaD).

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>>44401809
But they were trained intentionally wrong. They may have self spinning shoes to mimic some of their moves, but they will never be truly taught to dance like a real Sith.

>>44403411
Probably as long as allowed. If backwaters ruled by Jabba the Hutt and Maz are a thing, I don't see why an Imperial Admiral with a few Star Destroyers under his command could carve out his own outer rim system,

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>>44403425

Its a recent trend that Inquisitors are idiots

before Rebels, Inquisitors were series business

And really, they should be - the better they are, the more of a yardstick they represent on how much of a problem a force using glowstick samurai is

I've been trying to find what standard credits are based on, republic or imperial, and I'm coming up with nothing. Could someone help me out?

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>>44403474

I apparently can't spell or type worth a shit, this below zero weather is giving me brain damage.

Also, Inquisitor stats in F&D are no joke - they basically rank higher then your typical Nemesis class baddie

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>>44403481

Republic Credits before the Empire - Imperial Credits during the Empire.

Both of which are worthless in the Outer Rim

Also, does anyone else run the idea of physical credits as well as cred sticks? There was a scene in Wraith Squadron that I liked, where Wedge had to race Falynn in repulsor dumptrucks, and everyone started betting on it - using papers creds, sticks, and pieces of candy, etc.

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>>44403474
The grand inquisitor was no joke. He was the biggest threat by far and they only managed to escape him, never beat him until the end there.

In fact, only that big stupid one from season 2 is really an idiot. Seventh Sister is pretty good at her job. It's just rightfully so, they're not shown as on the same level as a full jedi knight or sith lord. Vader and Ahsoka out class them, and completely fairly.

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>>44403511

Vader outclasses everyone, and arguments could be made he even outclasses the Emperor

Ahsoka would have been a good match for the High Inquisitor, had they actually fought.

Also, does it seem like akimbo lightsabers is becoming more of a trend?

>>44403474
The Grand Inquisitor was pretty pimp.
>>44403486
If I'm not mistaken, they statted out Jerec as a villain in an F&D one shot, and he was fucking level 20.

Friendly reminder that we now have scans of Strongholds of Resistance and Chronicles of the Gatekeeper and the link should be added in future OPs

https://mega.nz/#F!8xlWzBRS!2KobxtNgb9swWXod6WehRw

>>44403503
I get that, what I'm asking is: What is their value based on? Is it just a system of fiat money?

Is it wrong that I want to see the Imperial Remnant/Fel Empire smash through the First Order wannabes and be victorious on all fronts?

>>44403551
It's value is that the government of the day collects taxes in it and pays for things in it. That's what it is

>>44403573
So it is fiat money. It's not based on an exchange standard. Thank you

>>44402469
Just b'cuz someone's batshit crazy doesn't mean they're unloyal. Sure, Baneite Sith are the definition of clinical psychopathy, but the grand Inquisitor was all right. I mean, he understood the concepts of sacrifice and greater good.

>>44403503
>>44403551
>>44403573
>>44403598
I'm pretty sure it is based on a certain kind of value, like resources. There's references to Nova Crystals and an an 'Aurodium standard' or whatever that the Republic Credits were set on.

>>44403598
I imagine they had a standard during the Republic and just printed money like crazy when they needed to build the Death Stars.

>>44403474
That's because your villains be adjusted for the medium mode and the target audience. That's why everyone should be horrified at the idea of Rebels reintroducing anything from the old EU, really.
>>44403524
Everybody uses dual sabers in anything Filoni uses. The same way you don't go more than ten minutes without a lightsaber duel.

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>>44403486
>Also, Inquisitor stats in F&D are no joke
They're fucking nasty, nasty people.
If you go the 'easy' route and make a combat monster, they're a rape train without brakes... but you can still kill them, eventually. Probably after he's killed most everyone you've ever known for about the last 3 generations, stabbed your spaceship into a colander shaped lump of metal and taken a huge steaming shit in the mouths of most of the dead PC's.

Get really nasty though and you can make one that just rots your entire reputation, no one will talk to you, no one will want to fucking know you, all your money disappears and you've got lots of strange new enemies you never knew about until some nigga pops out of a hatch with a blaster pointed at you every block. Once you've been stripped down to nothing but your wits, lightbat and robes with no way out, he'll drop a whole fucking legion of Imperial troops on your arse.

Probably the most fun I've had since running old Dark Heresy back in the day :)

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>>44403757
>dual sabers

I got a player in my group who wants dual sabers. He's got one now, and I'm not a total dick, I do want to give him another - I just want both lightsabers to mean something, and not be either expected or demanded. There should never ever be a presumption that a character deserves a Lightsaber just because reasons.

I get serious autism when Lightsaber and the Force is just a fashion accessory to totally cool super awesome special original content donut steel characters - the moment a Lightsaber isn't special, is the moment it becomes something to abuse the game with.

But yeah. I told him hes got to build a second one and find a crystal - and since I do plan on making crystals "quest rewards" I figure that should be fine.

He wants to strap both to his back and draw them to his hands by using the force. Since that wouldn't be cool (or fun) if I made him roll force dice every single time, I just allow him to do it without rolling.

>>44403808
Make him roll to do it for one of them the first few times.

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>>44403828

I'd have preferred he just not have the gimmick to begin with.

But I don't want to be "no fun allowed" gm.

This is also the guy who wanted TOR blade colors, and I already had to veto that

Compromise was, it takes an action to draw, not a maneuver, during combat. He said "thats cool" but I don't think he realizes how much that fucks him over.

Anyone else think it's kind of lame that the legendary Clone Wars lasted 3 earth years?

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>>44403874

3 Years of war just about everywhere in the galaxy.

but I agree with you. It really should lasted a longer time. George painted himself into a corner with his timeline

>>44403891
Like, a decade of war would have been sufficient. Hey, it could even fit in with that 10 year gap between the first two movies!

>>44403874
It was turned into three? Wasn't it like ten years?

I don't know anything about Edge of the Empire apart from the fact that I really want to get into it, but how hard is it to play as a merc in that era wearing busted up generation 1 clone armor?

>>44403948
Not hard at all. Easy, in fact.

>>44403874
The same guy was running the war on both sides, it lasted as long as he needed it to and no longer.

Nobody seemed to have a real upper hand when Palpatine had Anakin decapitate the separatists.

>>44403964
Grievous had an invisible hand

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>>44403927

Feel free to translate the Aurebesh on that helmet for an interesting piece of trivia on Rey

I'm picturing Maul going the route of the Original Baxter Stockman as his story progresses. Eventually becoming the next Grievous in terms of his body.

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>half a turbine

holy shit

>>44404000
R&H?

>>44404042
It's sci-fi fantasy and I don't even KNOW why that's a thing.

>>44404042
Do those 'half-turbines' basically act as fans? TOP KEK

>>44404045

Raeh

>>44403962
Yeah? My local EotE expert told me that stormtrooper armor (and its equivalents) are pretty badass and high-grade, not really something for a new character.

>>44403558
>tfw Imperial Knights aren't canon anymore
Feels bad anon

>>44403891
>>44403900

It's almost like starting with the Phantom Menace and Anakin as a kid was a terrible fucking mistake.

Possibly the worst mistake in the entire series, or at least up there.

I don't think anyone would have minded if we were dropped in with an adult Anakin and the war was already on.

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>>44404095

Thats usually the fix that everyone suggests - or at least having Anakin be a teenager in Ep1.

The biggest fix in my mind is if they went with a different actor.

However, I think if they had started with Hayden in Ep1, right from the get go, all the movies would have been better for it

Should I bother with any of the previous games, or just play Jedi Academy?

>>44404105

In retrospect it seems blindingly obvious, doesn't it? I can't imagine how George messed up that bad.

>>44404117
Jedi Academy for raw Jedi vignettes, but I'd start with Jedi Knight myself.

>>44404129
Okie dokie.

>>44404077
Imagine Roan Fel and his Fel Empire being flowwalked over to the Episode 7 timeline.

>The Galactic throne is mine, by right
>Leia Organa, Snoke, Kylo Ren they're all thieves. They'll bend the knee or i'll destroy them

>>44404117
>not wanting to play as based Kyle

Play from Dark Forces to Academy. DF1 and 2 are a bit old sure but they're classics. Jedi Outcast is basically like Academy but with a much better singleplayer storyline. As >>44404129 said Jedi Academy is best for that. You could also try out the multiplayer if it's still around. Academy's best in that department. Shitload of mods etc.

Rise of the Empire Era was my favourite era.

>>44404065
If you want "beat up"clone armor, then you can just fluff weaker armor (like the much cheaper Padded Armor) to be it. Actual Laminate armor isn't too expensive and depending on credit rewards your GM hands out, you can get it fairly quick; it's pretty good when you start putting attachments into it, but until then, it functions the exact same as the Padded Armor.

Playing a mando in old republic saga, gm won't give me a neo crusader armor. So i decided to include the loss of my PC armor in the backstory. Basically he surrendered the armor to revan after the defeat at malachor v. Now, since it's such an important thing for my pc, i cannot just buy a new one. I was thinking he may look for parts and pieces, maybe win those parts in reward or conquer them from other mandos, and build the parts together himself. Or build the parts himself from raw materials.

Whaddaya think?

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>>44404266

Thats pretty cool actually - I like the idea that hes on a heroes trial to regain his Armor, and its a neat kinda allegory for reclaiming his Mando self.

However, I do have to point out, that KotOR mandos don't have all the Resol'nare culture - that was added into canon later.

So your probably gonna catch some flak by other people in this general, considering the Resol'nare was something commonly associated with she-who-will-not-be-named

>>44404000
Its her helmet or she got her name from it?

So is Theron Shan the 007 of Star Wars?

>>44404325
Theory is she took her name from it, supporting the mind-wipe/lock theory.

>>44404305
Well i originally thought that his oroginal armor had been destroyed, so he still needs to find new parts to cobble together.
I just don't want to buy it cuz it's a matter of honor. PC kinda feels guilty for being among those who surrendered and not one who died in glory during the battle

But i also like him trying to track where revan hid the mando armors he retrieved at malachor V and take back his own, thanks for the advice anon

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Would it be reasonable to just attach this thing's canon weapons compliment to the stats of a consular class and call it a day?

I want to toss it at my players in force and destiny.

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>>44404365

That or the Vigil stats

>>44401366
Want to play a d20 version of this. People said Saga is really good, but the talent tree shit looks lame as hell. Is there a version of the Star Wars d20 that has been Pathfindered floating around?

>>44404334
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jahan_Cross
Jahan Cross is the central protagonist of the comic series Star Wars: Agent of the Empire, a series penned by John Ostrander, penciled by Stéphane Roux, and published by Dark Horse Comics.[12] Ostrander's original pitch for the series was "James Bond meets Star Wars",[13] and he drew considerable inspiration from the famous fictional spy James Bond when developing Cross.

How about the guy whose comic book is explicitly star wars james bond being 007?

>>44404305
I liked Mandos better when they were just ruthless and goal-oriented. Star Wars is already choke full of morally rigid characters who wear a special suit of armor.

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>>44404397

Mandalorians were pretty much nothing but a name until Tales of The Jedi, and then they were basically a warrior people

KotOR expounded upon that

The most amount of Mando Lore came from Abel Pena, Karen Traviss

Unpopular opinion as it may be, I still think the Mando lore, written by Pena, Traviss, and Hodges was the best stuff there was.

George thought otherwise, and thats all that really matters in the end.

This thing people say jango and boba are not mandalorians makes no sense.
Galidraan was the main event that made dooku leave the jedi order and jango accept to create the clone army

I think the autists here take what's beem said in TCW about them too literally

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>>44404461

Straight from George

Also, Open Seasons isn't canon, and was retcon'd completely by TCW

SuperCommando's don't even exist apart from the Death Watch

It still remains my one big issue with TCW. I've sense reconciled that the New Mando govt is actually great for the narrative of the Mandalorians as a people and a culture.

But retconning out Open Seasons was a real shame. Losing both the SuperCommandos and Jaster Mereel removes a massive swath of backstory from Jango - and it kills Bounty Hunter. It removes a lot of what made Jango an interesting man with a deep character.

>>44404481
George surrendered all his rights to disney, whatever he says now has no more meaning than what is said by the bloke who's going to post after me in this thread.

Lucas has his pure goody good jedis and nasty evilbad siths canon, but it's shit with no depth that was good in the '70s, when good was good, bad was bad and people making fiction believed their audience was too stupid to understand moral ambiguity

So, in the Saga edition, one of my players wants to be able to start with a small one seater type of space ship. How much would this cost and what kind of stats would I give it?
Cant find anything about this in the core rulebook.

>>44404524
So, like the slave I ?

>>44404524
I have trouble remembering but I think there's something about a starter ship? A one-person starship could be nothing more than a Y-wing. I think even the light freighters in the YT series tend to be pretty cheap.

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>>44404508

Disney doesn't seem like their going to take a tack on retconing stuff that George himself did. I think the most they are willing to do is release the Original OT (non special editions) in HD, and thats it.

And even if they were going to start changing things, I doubt Mandalorians are high one the priority list. Keep in mind that the majority of folks are just fine and dandy with how things are now - TCW being canon, all thats Legends stuff being Legends, and blending it for their own canon - that is assuming they know enough about it to care. I use this general as a nice pulse of EU grognards, and the general though here comes down to two things
>fuck traviss and her mary sue bullshit
>who cares about TCW? all those mando clans and shit exist on the other side of the world

>>44404534
Heh. Funny you should mention that. When Katniss had her meltdown, I wondered why they didn't introduce a minor retcon as having all those True Mandalorians actually living on Concordia, but fuck Satine and her pacifists, they thought of Concordia as the One True Mandalore, because that was the place Mandalorians lived.

Wasted opportunity though. And less of a retcon that needing to integrate Zahn in with the actual clone wars.

>>44404532
Are Y-wings capable of FTL travel? I thought fighters were too small and shitty to host a hyperdrive

>>44404550
>I thought fighters were too small and shitty to host a hyperdrive
The X-wing does!

>>44403649
Isn't Aurodium just technobabble for gold?

>>44404560
Pretty much. It's SW universe gold. Considering Star Wars barely ever has had a galaxy-wide financial crisis I doubt they'd be retarded enough to use a fiat currency, even if they did vote Sheev in twice.

>>44404534
Hey now. I concede that traviss has written some shit. But i like the society and culture she made up for mandos. Still better than the generic hitlerian death watch and the "we were the baddest niggas in the block, but we gon' good now" pacifists

But tcw is generally shit anyway. I don't understand how people can praise that shit

>>44403923
It was never said to be ten years anywhere.

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>>44404548

Well, its an easy thing to write off Traviss - I'm not even THAT torn up about it really. I mean, I used to be, but I got over it a while back.

I just feel like writing out Open Seasons was the worst part.

But it was necessary. George was adamant about that - Jango and Boba are not Mando's, they just wear the armor.

Which was always the case with Boba anyway.

I have a theory as to why folks tend to get so upset about the idea of Mando's being some kinda mercenary warrior race that can rival the Jedi and Sith. My thoughts, these people get affronted at the idea that a race\culture based on Boba and Jango should be anything more then a race of Jobbers, just like their on-screen representatives are. Having those people be anyway near competent is ludicrous considering Jango and Boba were basically on screen fodder, and the very epitome of the "Super Mook" idea

>>44404575
>But tcw is generally shit anyway. I don't understand how people can praise that shit
Bizarro /swg/ in full effect.

But no, really, I actually like the New Mando's. They work well with the narrative. I'll be happy to explain, but I don't have enough room in this post.

>>44404550
>>44404554

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPZigWFyK2o

00:50

>>44404508
>when good was good, bad was bad and people making fiction believed their audience was too stupid to understand moral ambiguity
Or realised that, y'know, most people got more than enough (if not far too much) moral ambiguity and complex issues in their real lives, and were looking for a few hours' escape into a fictional place where things were simple and clear-cut.

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>>44404592

>not posting the superior version

https://youtu.be/_n3u3OJ3uqw

>>44404595
>moral ambiguity and mistery is no fun

The amount of success every hard boiled and pulp fiction gad in the history of cinema and television proves that the occurrence you stated is not the point

>>44404586
>people are offended that the bad guys are not jobbers
If you are right i've lost all my faith on humanity. This is so retarded i'd literally have nosebleed were it to reveal true

>i'd like to explain why tcw is praised

Then do it. I'm open to dialogue

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>>44404634

Its less "an explanation why TCW is praised" and more my reasoning as to why the New Mando's are actually cool, and work in the narrative.
Plus, people really like the moulin rouge reference

I wrote this up as a canon explanation to a friend of mine who was playing a Mando in one of my campaigns

>Let me preface this by saying, the New Mando's come straight from George, and while I may disagree with George, I do also want to try and work with what is actually canon, as much as possible - straight up ignoring and re-writing things I see as a last resort, for when something just cant be fit, spun, or worked with.

>The best aspect of the New Mandalorians, is it provides the single best reason for the Diaspora. There has always been this unspoken reason as to why Mandalorians are bounty hunters or mercenaries, and why their culture is something that can be so travel-light - the core of what being a mando means is that you carry your home in your heart, your culture in your armor, and your future in your family - a Mandalorian has no ties to land. Which seems strange considering they have a number of planets considered "mandalorian"

>Now we know why - because the homeworld is run by traitors, basically.

>The New Mandalorians, who have looked upon the history of the people and culture and saw no future in adhering to it. The only thing the future holds for those who cling to the past, is eventual death - they see the Republic and Jedi as graceful in allowing the Mandalorian people to continue, and not wiping them all out like they did. A good way to look at the New Mandos is post-WW2 Japan - the Japanese people still value their cultural history, but they realize now that imperialism is a stupidly obsolete concept, and that to make peace, and work together with old enemies is the very height of being an enlightened and sophisticated society. There is more that Mandalorians can offer the galaxy then T-visors and Mercenaries.

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>>44404679

The rest was too long, so I just pastebin'd it

http://pastebin.com/zMpWbXnG

(Deleted my old post because I fucked up the quoting.)

>>44404614
>>moral ambiguity and mystery is no fun
>The amount of success every hard boiled and pulp fiction gad in the history of cinema and television proves that the occurrence you stated is not the point
And how many movies and novels etc. in that vein bombed, flopped, or just plain didn't make enough of a splash to be remembered?
I'm not saying complex and gritty - even grimdark - works of fiction can't be entertaining or compelling. I simply object to >>44404508's assumption that creative works that choose to take a broader-strokes approach to their central narrative conflict(s) are automatically talking down to their audiences or making insulting assumptions about their (lack of) intelligence.

>>44403874

The legendary Clone Wars were probably the most lame and boring conflict in fiction.

Robots and clones fight each other while most people don't give a fuck. And both sides are run by the same guy.

Disney is going to remake those movies anyways.

>>44404769
Needed, a citation is.

>>44404105

This is a minor fix. Movies would still be horrible.

>>44404575
>But tcw is generally shit anyway. I don't understand how people can praise that shit

Because after the garbage that was PT everybody was jumping at anything even slightly not horrible and praising it as the best thing ever.

>>44404795

The most praised prequel movie made 840 million $. TFA is at 890 million $ after a week.

Remaking movies most SW fans hate is just a matter of time.

>>44404827
What the hell PT stands for

>>44404846
TFA is still disappointing tho

Kylo ren a shit

>>44404868
Kylo Ren being a shit the point

>>44404874
You can't make a good story if the main antagonist is not even a real threat for the protagonist

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>>44404914

>>44404846
The most praised prequel movie would be ep3? That's not a good metric as both ep2 and ep3 performed worse than ep1 because lucas killed the hype so much with ep1.

Local X-Wing tourney in January, thinking about making some new purchases, how good does this look.

https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Rebel%20Alliance&d=v3!s!8:135,-1,-1,70,150:-1:-1:;175:27,-1,78,-1:-1:15:;142:135,-1,-1,-1,40,-1,-1:-1:-1:

Now, see, I admit what I've done here is go to MiniRanker and splice various components of winning lists together (apart from Horton, where I just think this is a really vicious build. You stress yourself and boom all of your TLT shots are now target locked.)

>>44404854
Prequel Trilogy
Moron

>>44404914
The First Order as a whole is the overall antagonist and they are a legitimate threat, and set up to be a massive threat to the entire galaxy.

Kylo Ren is just the front line of that force and not even in overall command of the units we see on screen, he's the most visible face of that army but it's the army as a whole, not Ren himself, that is the overall threat.

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So, is the Holiday Special canon as far as Disney is concerned?

I hope so. I want Jefferson Starship to be canon in star wars

https://youtu.be/cKL-6rBkQN0

>>44405089
Nope. Disney axed that when they axed the rest of the EU.

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>>44404925
Vader would've wasted both Han and Luke if he hadn't been caught unawares, you dim fuck

>>44405185
Can you provide evidence that what you have stated is true?

>>44404868
Honestly, the character is okay. He's exactly how I imagine a 4channer given psychic powers and a lethal weapon. He's got a little bit of Shinji and a bit of Cartman in him.

>>44405195
http://www.starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page

>>44405305
That doesn't say the Holiday Special is no longer canon, though. It doesn't say that in the slightest.

>>44404550
Y-Wings also have a hyperdrive, and an astromech slot for an astromech that can store nav data for up to 10 jumps, negating the immediate use of a navicomputer.

Again, light freighter probably the character's best bet, or some kind of shabby space yacht with similar specs (except a navicomputer).

>>44404578
He may be getting confused with the ten year gap between the breaking of the Naboo trade blockade and the start of the Clone Wars, which was pretty much the various Separatist factions planning in secret and re-arming to ready for war.

>>44404846
And you guys bitch about the special editions.

>>44405023
Sweet jesus, where do you get that view? They're all incompetent after the first scenes. Phasma gives up the keys to the massive planet-destroying superweapon that doesn't actually need to be blown up... because the fucker can only fire twice. Everything we see of the FO being a threat comes from the visual guide and to a lesser extent the crosssections book because that craps on about how scary they are. On-screen evidence disagrees strongly with that representation.

>>44404679
THIS

I'm a Travissfag and an EUfag and I'm actually alright with the New Mandalorians. It makes sense, doesn't contradict any part of the EU. Why did other EUfags get so butthurt about them?

>>44405008
Do you want a supportive answer or a honest one? Cause /swg/ is like that painting thread where no one's gonna tell you your ships are shit.

Your ships are shit. Consider the following list, without modifying anything on it:
https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Rebel%20Alliance&d=v3!s!9:135,-1,-1,69:21:-1:;175:27,-1,78,-1:-1:15:;139:135,-1,-1,-1,61,-1,-1:-1:-1:

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>>44405334
Fine, have one of the older new canon timelines from one the books.

>>44403962
I'm doing it in my current group.

The other hunter and I like to throw on the helmets and go all Daft Punk when the rest of the group is doing something important.

>>44405305
This just states that everything they do now is going to be on the same canon. Before, there were different levels of canon because Lucas wanted the ability to ignore shit from the books when making his films. Now, if it's in a book, it's as good as if it were in the movies.

It's really hard to say The Holiday Special wasn't canon or isn't now considering many of the elements that come from it are in other parts of Star Wars. For example, the Holiday Special established Kashyyyk as the wookie homeworld, as well as how Kashyyyk looks and how the wookies live in trees, all things that would later appear in Episode III.

>>44405371
This still proves nothing.

If you can't say things you can prove, don't say them, please. There's enough misinformation on the internet.

>>44405335
The 'on screen evidence' shows they have a large, well trained and disciplined military that can strike targets across the galaxy.

How are they anything but a huge threat.

>only fire twice

You have no reason to assume that.

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Just finished The Clone Wars series and holy shit it was amazing. What did you guys think of it?
Also, about to watch Rebels maybe next week and was curious if you guys liked it.

>>44405423
Simply establishing material used in later canon material doesn't mean that it's canon - if it were, we'd have a huge list of stuff that is canon again, since the new canon has been borrowing huge amounts of planets and technology from Legends.

>>44405435
They made it perfectly clear that the only material to survive the purge was Episodes I-VI and The Clone Wars.

Also, George pretty much disowned the Holiday Special and was on record as wanting to take back every copy he could find and destroy it, if that's not an indication that it wasn't considered canon I don't know what is.

>>44405441
>You have no reason to assume that.

Not him, but he does have reason to assume that.

It fired once on screen, then charging for the second shot drained the sun. Therefore, one could assume it can only shoot twice per star killed.

>>44405460
>George pretty much disowned the Holiday Special
George always changes his mind on what he likes and dislikes for SW to the point where no one gives a shit anymore.

>>44405474
He disowned it pretty much right from the start.

>>44405453
>moraban

>>44405460
>They made it perfectly clear that the only material to survive the purge was Episodes I-VI and The Clone Wars.

Except they never did.

All they've made clear: we're not going to follow the stuff that was written about what happened after the movie (Lucas never planned to do this), and we're going to make everything we do now on the same level of canon as the movies.

The "EU Purge" never happened. All they did was get rid of the dumb, unnecessary canon scale bullshit. And the Holiday Special has never been specifically addressed. Neither have the Ewok movies.

>>44405498
I know you're trying to hold onto your EU shit for dear life but suck it up and accept the facts.

>>44405460
>Holiday Special invents Kashyyyk
>George Lucas just so happens to use the exact same name, the exact same look, the exact same everything

Episode III makes the holiday special canon, because it was clear that George Lucas was following what had already been established by the special holiday when making the film.

>>44405498
>He set the films he created as the canon. This includes the six Star Wars episodes, and the many hours of content he developed and produced in Star Wars: The Clone Wars. These stories are the immovable objects of Star Wars history, the characters and events to which all other tales must align.

>Only Episodes I-VI and TCW are canon, everything else isn't

Yeah, reading comprehension is a bitch, isn't it?

>>44405508
That's not how it works, anon.

>>44405498
>clinging this hard to the retardation that's the EU
Keep that fire burning. Disney'll one day acknowledge and affirm your well founded beliefs.

>>44405506
>trying to hold onto your EU
True fact: I've never read a Star Wars book and do not give a fuck about the EU.

You're just wrong and I like pointing out how wrong you are because I'm an asshole.

Quit being wrong on the Internet, dink.

>>44405508
Except that would be a nope. Did he reuse the same information? Yes but that doesn't make the rest of it anymore canon.

>>44405423
>>44405435
>>44405498
>>44405508
>>44405514
It states that going forward everything will be canon, but that the only core things being retained wholesale will be the 6 movies and CGI Clone Wars.

And while you can say that Holiday Special is still canon until something replaces it, if you actually watch it, you'll realize that the comics already have Luke brushing up against Boba Fett as an enemy shortly after ANH, whereas the Holiday Special has Luke and everyone unaware of who/what Boba Fett is; so as there's conflictions, it's presumed not-canon until said otherwise.

And wookiee/ Kashyyyk stuff being held over is because that was one of the main things he had input over and was since being used in the EU for a while before Episode III hit.

If you need anymore proof, look up Lumpy on the Star Wars database, and you'll find nothing, which again means not canon until said otherwise.

>>44405511
>Holiday special clearly dictated where and how the Wookies live in Episode III, which is canon

If the Holiday Special not canon, why was it treated as such during the making of Episode III, which supposedly is canon?

>>44404382
>People said Saga is really good
Who are these people. I've never heard of these strange, incorrect people.

>>44404042
Goddammit, I thought we had finally agreed to just call those damn things radiator vanes and be done with it.

>>44405529
Uhm, in the Holiday Special, that's a cartoon.

Like, within the reality of the setting, that's a cartoon of Luke meeting Boba Fett that's being watched by Chewie's kid. Within the reality of the Holiday Special, it doesn't have to be an exact, historically accurate retelling. It's just a cartoon.

>>44405545
No Anon, you're just a cartoon.

>>44405536
That was before the dark times, before the sithposting.

Plus I think the thread's seen a temporary influx of new posters and outflux of regulars due to the movie release, so it stands to reason that people just weren't around for those 5-6 threads of constant bitching.

>>44405193
and kylo ren would have eaten finn and rey alive if he wasn't busy bleeding out from a gut shot.

it's like poetry, kiddo

they rhyme

>>44405533
How many times do we have to tell you that it wasn't treated as canon? The only, ONLY thing it takes from it is that the Wookiees live in giant trees on the planet Kashyyyk.

That doesn't mean that it's canon, not at all.

>>44405534
A lot of people said "Saga is the best d20, but you should use the new game instead." I don't want to do the new game because fuck their weirdo dice, and I don't want Saga because talent trees look stupid.

>>44404679
>A good way to look at the New Mandos is post-WW2 Japan
...That's actually an absolutely perfect way to sum it up. And helps to make Mando bounty hunters as a sort of societal form of the Japanese hold-out soldiers. You're fuckin' rad, dude.

>>44405536
There literally ARE fans in there though. Take a closer look. There's fans in there as if it's a turbine.

>>44405573
>it wasn't treated as canon
Except when Lucas made Episode III and used what the holiday special invented for the wookies.

>>44405574
Are you 13? You sound underaged.

Question: when did the Ye Olde Seconde Jedi Massacre occur?
Like it couldn't have happened 30 years ago, because Ben wasn't born yet.
Twenty years ago is stupid because I doubt the character is pushing thirty yet
Ten years ago, Ben was highly likely to be ten to sixteen, so are we going to have a massacre led by a sixteen year old.... I don't know if you remember being fifteen, but I do. Nobody is gonna get taken by a fifteen year old.
Was it five years ago? Then why is the text crawl phrased as if he's been gone for decades?

WHEN did it happen?

>>44405586
Nope.

What's up with the insults? I ask about Star Wars traditional games in a thread that's supposed to be about them (and not the holiday special) and get shitted on. Fuck you, man.

>>44405599
Please do.

>>44405595
>I doubt the character is pushing thirty yet
Based on what?
Adam Driver's 32.

>>44405461
yeah, but it was established they gave it hyperdrives so they can go eat another sun to fire a couple more shots.

for all that Starkiller Base could have been cut from the movie without losing much, I really appreciated that this thing is to the Death Star what a sawed off shotgun is to an assault rifle.

it's still going to fucking kill you if it's pointed at you, but you know the guy holding it is kinda on the skids and also that he is in deep fucking shit if he misses.

>>44405582
That's not how it works, anon.

George also used Zahn's name for the political center of the galaxy (Coruscant), but that doesn't mean that the Thrawn Trilogy is canon because of that.

>>44405595
Ben is ~30, Rey is 19, almost 20.

But yes - more information is desperately needed. From the way the vision looked, it appeared that it had to have been more recent. 10-15 years ago seems to be the most likely timeline.

>>44405574
>WEG d6
A really solid game that you don't have to worry about DRM dice.

>FFG Star Wars
One of the best RPGs I've ever played and also one of the most intuitive. I personally rank it way above WEG, especially for jumping into with people t hat don't have a lot of experience with RPGs. The DRM dice aren't even a problem since you can either just print out the decals fo free to convert regular dice or use a dice gen of which there are several.

>Saga
Shit on rye toast. And who the fuck eats rye for anything other than a Reuben.

>>44405595
In the future.

Why does it have to be the past?

>>44405595
It's probably analogous with a school shooting. So, teenager might be it.

>>44405595
think around ten years ago. Ben was about twenty.

supposedly Kylo Ren is supposed to be thirty. which, I mean, you can make that work, you have someone whose emotional development has basically been halted by praying to his grandpa's skull for the power to be a more convincing piece of shit, but he sure comes off as younger.

>>44405529
>look up Lumpy on the Star Wars database, and you'll find nothing
Look up "Ben Solo" and you'll find the same.

>>44405595
You're thinking about it too much qa. As much as I liked the characters, cinematography and performances in TFA, the plot was an unmitigated mess and clearly there was very little thought put into making the world of the movie coherent, especially in respect to the timeline of things.

>>44405574
Thing is, those weirdo dice create one of the best RPG systems I've played or GM'd, hands down. I really can't recommend it enough, as the narrative elements and advantage/threat dynamic will help you improve at RPing as well as at GMing in an engaging manner a lot.

Also, pathfinder is possibly the shittiest or second shittiest incarnation of a pretty imperfect system that is honestly cumbersome and uninspired at the best of times. I'm sure you could find a Star Wars jury rig of it out there somewhere though if you're really that set on it.

>>44405460
>only material to survive purge

Daily reminder that old EU was moved into a different continuity, not destroyed outright and you are allowed to keep playing in it. So that they can keep making money on all those book sales

>>44405654
You mean a minor twist in a brand new movie that's purposefully kept out of pre-release media to help surprise people?

And there is a spoiler-free entry of Kylo is in the databank.
http://www.starwars.com/databank/kylo-ren

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>>44404605
What is the SW version of various F series fighters? In my opinion

T-65 X-Wing = F14
T-70 X-Wing = F-15
A-Wing = F-16
B-Wing = F-18
Y-Wing = F-4
E-Wing = F-22 (or 35 if you consider both have a lot of problems)

also i'm stating the obvious but

K-Wing = A-10

>>44405619
Because I'm pretty sure that in-universe, it's been thirty years since RotJ. Also, having a Jedi massacre led by a two year old is just stupid.
>>44405623
So Han and Leia basically had a kid before the Death Star finished cooling off.
>>44405629
Oh no, we DID get a time travel plot! FUUUUUUU-
>>44405641
Ugh.
>>44405645
He feels like early-twenties to me. And I have a lot of exposure to early-twenties people, so I know what I'm talking about.
>>44405657
I cannot and will not turn off my brain. I sit and I think about things. It's why I ask my Smash-player roommate why Falco and Fox wear boots. Or if they have any junk. I mean, they wear pants, so logically they must have something under them, right?

>>44405695
>databank makes no mention that he's han solo's son
Guess Force Awakens isn't canon, guys.

>>44405619
>>44405623
>>44405645
So Kylo is honestly in his 30s? Are you guys serious?
I thought he was around Rey's age. His character certainly displays that.

>>44405657
Yeah, I looked around for a Pathfinder version for Star Wars but never found anything. Was hoping this thread could deliver, but I guess not.

>>44405704
>Because I'm pretty sure that in-universe, it's been thirty years since RotJ. Also, having a Jedi massacre led by a two year old is just stupid.
No, I mean why do you "doubt he's pushing 30"?

>>44405687
I tend to call it a purge, because it /was/ a continuity wipe technically.

The "Legends split" is just a bit more to say, and doesn't really do what happened justice like the "EU Purge" does.

>>44405709
Yep. He's 30, Adam Driver is 32.

>>44405704
>Han and Leia basically had a kid before the Death Star finished cooling off
Well, when you're going for a roll in the leaves after a commando mission you PROBABLY don't have any condoms on hand.

>>44405706
Dude, do you have severe autism? Why are you assuming website material overrides what's on the screen?

>>44405706
Oh darn.
>>44405716
See
>>44405709
Also, he very definitely doesn't act 'pushing thirty' he acts like 'barely outta my teens craaaawliiiiiiing iiiiiiiiin my skiiiiiiiiin'

>>44405706
>and nothing of value was lost

>>44405709
29, 30.

turns out that taking all your social cues from a neo-nazi, your grandpa's skull, and Oz the Great and Powerful back there results in a distinct lack of emotional growth

>>44405734
Why do you? What we've seen on screen is that the stuff the Holiday Special came up with is canon. Episode III confirms it given how close George stayed to depicting the wookie homeworld exactly as it was in the holiday special.

>>44405737
>he acts like 'barely outta my teens craaaawliiiiiiing iiiiiiiiin my skiiiiiiiiin'

It's the Dark Side stunting his emotional development in exchange for (not quite)UNLIMITED POWER!

>>44405734
Because it's bait and he's chasing them delicious (You)s.

>>44405737
Yeah, he's certainly more compelling as a younger, vulnerable character in his early twenties than a weird edgy manchild. If they were compelling this place would be a best seller.

>>44405713
No one with any amount of taste likes pathfinder. If you want hardcore 3.5ism I'll recomend WotC's star wars revised edition. The soldier is literally the 3rd edition fighter.

>>44405737
>doesn't act 'pushing thirty' he acts like 'barely outta my teens craaaawliiiiiiing iiiiiiiiin my skiiiiiiiiin'
So, he acts exactly like every edgy Sith fanboy ever.

>>44405723
>continuity wipe
Except it wasn't. Those books were never on the same canon as the movies, and were also in a state of "these might get contradicted or flat out be wrong later on if Lucas wants to do episode 7."

The only difference is now the books and other media produced for Star Wars now is on the same level of continuity as the movies. There's no canon levels.

The old EU books were never the final word on Star Wars. Nothing has really changed there.

>>44405737
I know quite a few guys in their late twenties that act like teenagers. Their parents don't let them go out of town or even staying up late.

>>44405755
It's not an all-or-nothing deal, anon. Elements from the holiday special are canon if they are in the films, but that doesn't mean the entire special is canon.

>>44405737
he has been taught that passion and anger are the keys to power ever since he was an angsty ~20 year old who shot up his school, and you'll notice there's not a single person in the First Order except maybe Gigantor McBurnvictim who looks over the age of 30.

the First Order is composed, in its entirety, of barely outta my teens craaaawliiing iiin my skiiiiin types. that's what neo-nazis are, anon. people who feel zero control over their personal lives and so desperately seek to externalize it into something they can beat up.

it's all the REPUBLIC's fault that Hux is more interested in boys than in girls in, you know. that way.

it's all HAN SOLO's fault Kylo Ren can't keep his shit together for five goddamn seconds.

once these people are dead, all my problems will be solved. all of them ALL OF THEM SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP

it's a fascinating mix, one Kylo Ren encapsulates perfectly: simultanously totally pathetic self-delusion and really fucking dangerous

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>>44405657
Besides a single session of Agent 13 (anyone remember that one, guys?), FaD is the most fun game I've played in years. Finally there's a game where you can just forget about spreadsheets and people who like them and let your imagination run wild. Even combat, traditionally the most boring aspect of RPGs, is fun and allows you to defeat the NPCs or your fellow "jedi" in a creative manner.

The only downside is there isn't a KOTOR splatbook on the market (yet), since this is the era most people end up playing.

>>44405820
That's not why he killed Han Solo.

He killed Han Solo to prove his devotion.

So, /swg/, I'm putting together an EotE game, and would like your opinion on the broad storyline I have.

The game is set approximately 6 years after the end of the Clone Wars. The former Separatist worlds have been pacified (read drowned in Stormtroopers), COMPNOR is spreading the Imperial joy, and a metric ton of refugees are on the move, either going home or trying to find a new one.

The party, lead by a low ranking former Separatist of the idealistic variety, get hired (read blackmailed) by a local Hutt to deal with a small group of Seps-turned-pirates. Invariably, one of those pirates is a former associate of the idealist.

The party will need to find out how the pirates know when to strike, how they are avoiding the Imperials, and where they are launching from. At the end, there will be a nice multi-path choice to have them bicker over, and possibly determine the next adventure.

Sound reasonable for a first adventure?

>>44405461
Or maybe it kills a star and they move on?

>>44405825
Yeah, not a downside for me personally as the only era I'd really be interested running/playing other than OT is the pre-Episode I decades (which I think would be great for Jedi adventures) or The Clone Wars. But I also never really cared about KotOR in general.

>>44405775
Technically it was a continuity wipe, because despite the "muh canon tiers" argument, they made a point of maintaining a continuity with the films, and even had it referenced as such.

So while yes, the games, books, and comics were of a "lesser canon tier" from the movies and The Clone Wars, they still were a continuity unto themselves that the movies and TCW drew some characters and inspiration from.

GTCSN was basically just switched to GSN, with G and T folding together and adding in the new material, and C being folded into S, and N being the same not canon due to being established as not canon during creation or due to retcons.

>>44405699
>T-65 X-wing = F14

I'm now imagining an two-seater x-wing kitted out with extra missiles.

Thank you.

>>44405866
Lucas ignored the EU when making the prequels. He did not give a single shit. There were, like, a few names reused, but other than that, the guy could not have given a fuck about what had been written before about any of it, and he had made it clear in the past that, if he kept making the movies, he was going to ignore the stuff written after the Battle of Endor.

The EU was always treated differently than what was in the actual movies. Now, Disney has said they're not doing that any more, that if you read something in a new Star Wars book, it's as good as seeing it in a Star Wars movie.

Before, if you read it in a book, it existed until the movies contradicted it. That's not how it works now.

>>44405904
I'm not disputing that at all. But internally, at LucasFilm and its subsidiaries, the EU was considered in-continuity with the films, even if George didn't consider it as such. You can see quotes to this extent on the Canon page at the Wook.

>>44405904
No he considered the EU and what he did to be separate. It's why he had no problem contradicting it. But he at least respected it.

>>44405934
>he considered the EU and what he did to be separate

That's because they always were.

Now they aren't. They're the same thing.

That's the only difference.

>>44405873
X-Wings are two-seaters: one seat for you, and one for your droid.

>>44406006
so a THREE-seater X-wing? I like this idea.

>>44405699
>T-65 X-Wing = F14
>T-70 X-Wing = F-15
The Eagle and Tomcat are roughly contemporary designs, anon. And the Eagle is the slightly older of the two. The slogan "Any time, baby" in the Tomcat logo is a challenge to the F-15.
>A-Wing = F-16
Viper's a multirole, A-Wing most definitely ISN'T.
>B-Wing = F-18
Nah, the Hornet's too good of a knife fighter to be a B-Wing.
If anything the B-Wing is the Mudhen, a Strike craft that can kinda sorta defend itself if it absolutely has to, but won't be as good at it as a proper Fighter or a true Multirole.
>Y-Wing = F-4
No real objection here. Originally a Fighter, became a Multirole through necessity and ingenuity, eventually became mostly an Attacker towards the end of its life. Pretty good matchup.

>>44406043
Seven seater x-wing when?

>>44406081
That's three seats in the main body (Two for the pilots, one for a Astromech) and four located in other places.

>>44406132
Go ugly style and place an x-wing body at the tip of each wing.

>>44406154
and replace the remaining S-Foils with a pair of a B-Wing fuselages (sans the cockpits and side wings.), right?

Is it ever wrong to like droids?

Why are Kel-Dor the coolest non-artificial race?

>>44406328
Because based Plo Koon.

>>44406211
Obviously. Nobidy will be able to stop the X-bwing.

>>44406466
You mean the X^3B-Wing

>>44404679
Pretty good comparison. Never saw it that way, and now I actually kinda like it

>>44405775
You right about the tiers, but if you think all canon is the same level now you're fooling yourself. No one is going to think twice about dumping Aftermath or that Uprising game if it suits them for a new film.

So I'm going to make the step up to Epic play with a deal I can't refuse for a GR-75. I don't have any experience with huge ships, so any advice on running one?

>>44406539
XD-wing

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>>44406891

For the GR-75 you're going to want to spam Comms Boosters

>>44406080
>The Eagle and Tomcat are roughly contemporary designs, anon. And the Eagle is the slightly older of the two. The slogan "Any time, baby" in the Tomcat logo is a challenge to the F-15
Yeah i know, maybe
T-65 = F-15
T-70 = F-22 (and E-Wing=F-35?)
The only thing it's that now i don't know what should be the SW relative to a Tomcat

>Viper's a multirole, A-Wing most definitely ISN'T.
I was trying to think of a fast small and agile fighter and the F-16 was the first thing that came to my mind but i understand your point.
Maybe A-Wing=F-104 works better but it's an old ass design compared to everything else and it doesn't fit much the A-Wing style
>Nah, the Hornet's too good of a knife fighter to be a B-Wing.
If anything the B-Wing is the Mudhen, a Strike craft that can kinda sorta defend itself if it absolutely has to, but won't be as good at it as a proper Fighter or a true Multirole.
Isn't the Mudhen just a modified F-15?

>>44406945
I need to try that. I've been playing the GR-75 as the stressing and slicing battering ram.

>>44407049
>Isn't the Mudhen just a modified F-15?
Yes, but the modifications are extensive. There's a reason they fly with escorts.

>>44405498
I'd like to play devils advocate here and say he's not really wrong. People have overblown the original statement in a panic. No one said everything is non canon, just that they will not be held to the EU moving forwards. A statement George Lucas himself made a while ago.

Obviously yes, they're overriding old EU, like any book that had the never to try and say what happened after the OT is as good as gone, but you don't have to say stuff like IG88s ship is non canon because no disney media references it. I highly doubt they're gonna change the aggressor.

>>44403511
If the inquisitor had just followed through with his Turkish disarm...

>>44400349
>>>44399305
>The EU justifies scraping the EU. The Empire Strikes back is the only Star Wars movie that's truly amazing.
I disagree. The only star wars movie worse than empire is clones. Empire is terrible for like, the first half of the movie, and then it gets pretty decent.
TFA Was alright, but not amazing.

TCW>ROTJ>TFA>ANH>RotS>TPM>ESB>AotC.
Yes yes, I know, shots fired.

>>44400572
>>>44400516 (You)
>A lot of people don't get that the jedi being awful in the prequels was accidental and George didn't mean to make them look like crazy assholes.
Ah. If your only source of info for the Jedi is the pt, I can maybe see that, . But TCW is still canon, and it shows what the Jedi are actually like, because it actually has decent writing, if you have that particular "new Disney canon is amazing nothing else ever happened" stick up your ass

>>44406910
you know, we have loads of redundant material within the X-Wing chassis, how about we hollow them out and connect them up a bit more?

So I have some questions about lightsaber construction, in FaD. Specifically are there any rules for them at all? I heard that there's general item construction rules in a DM guide (that I didn't see in the OP but I could have missed it) but I don't have that book.

My basic question is does a player who built his own lightsaber have any advantage (at all) over someone who found a near identical lightsaber?

>>44402709
>Also is Imperial Assault good?
Imperial Assault is a blast. Campaign mode is great both on its own and as an alternative if you don't have enough time to prepare for an RPG campaign.

Skirmish is a lot of fun, and competitive balance should improve dramatically with the recent errata to a few troublesome figures. I really like the balance between taking objectives and battling enemies. The latest expansion even adds four-player skirmish -- with free-for-all and team options.

There are some downsides. Map setup can take a while thanks to the use of interlocking tiles instead of poster maps or free-form battlefields -- for me this is the biggest obstacle to skirmish tournaments. And unlike X-Wing, Armada, or the old WotC Star Wars miniatures game, the figures are unpainted, although there are some who see that as an advantage (Youtube related). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZUsfAtyEM0

>>44404429
my brother in metal.

warrior mandalorians = best race

basilisk war droids best mount

Is there a fan-made expanded race list for the FFG Star Wars game? I would rather like to include EU races like Zeltrons, Chiss and Cathars.

>>44407381

Yeah, the GM kit has specific saber construction rules.

Otherwise, it's just pay the component cost for a hilt and then slap a crystal in - but if you want to be cooler, basically the PC needs to drop like, 300 credits on a Streetwise check to find the electronic components, then make either a Mechanics or Lore check, which is normally average, but can be Daunting if you don't have instruction on how to build a lightsaber.

If you succeed, it takes 3 days, minus 4 hours for each additional success. And you get a free mod on whatever attachment (usually crystal) you slot in first. Advantage reduces the cost or time, adds fluff details or can be used to reduce encumbrance, a Triumph gives the hilt +1 HP. Threat and despair are basically the reverse.

>>44407534
chiss are in enter the unknown, but google unofficial species menagerie

Which, in your opinions, is the better tabletop system?

I plan on running a Roll20 game in the near future, since it's a great website and tabletop sim.

I've played pretty much all the systems except for WEG d6. I'm lukewarm with FFG with how lackluster they ended up making force users, but I really did like EoTE and AoR.

Saga was meh, and the old d20 was for the birds.

>>44404605
way too 80's for me....

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>>44407534

As requested!

Is Saga Edition any good? I've heard good things about it, but it's also OGL d20 so I'm kind of hesitant to use it.

With the steam sale up what star wars games should I pick up?

Already have KOTOR 1 and 2

>>44407779
Dark Forces Series, yo. Except not from Steam. Well, you can get Dark Forces and Jedi Outcast and Academy, but not the middle two.

I dunno, Naboo Starfighter?

>>44407863
I just bought all five in a bundle, you don't know what you're talking about this time.

>>44407885
no, he means that steam DF2 and mysteries of the sith don't function properly, the GOG versions are recommended

>>44407885
Well, I certainly hope your computer can properly run Jedi Knight and Mysteries. Cause mine sure can't.

>>44407746
>d20
>Any good.

No, just no. Seriously, play the FFG version. The FFG Star Wars game is probably the best RPG version of Star Wars so far.

You could also track down used copies of the WEG d6 star wars. That system is very true to the original source material, but it's also ridiculously easy to min-max. Also some of the sourcebooks sell for outrageous prices, so be careful.

>>44407958
That's what I thought. Thanks for the advice!

>>44407958
I think all of the D6 books are here as well

http://www.d6holocron.com/

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>>44405699

someone doesn't know their aircraft...
..also, near-modern cold war aircraft are a bad analogy....yet, i guess that's what we go for?

T-65: F-14a ..........
T-70: F-14d or F-18e,
A-wing: F-20 Tigershark,
>(F-16 is too slow...m1.2 vs. m2.0)
B-Wing: this is hard....
....gonna say Tornado or F-111E
Y-Wing: i would say F-4 too, but those fuckers shoot down easy. maybe F-4G

E-Wing: F-22, sure...

>(with the above, i'm sticking to F-series, 70's post)

K-Wing: we really don't have an equivalent:
A-10 is smaller and slower...if there was a tactical version of the Tu-22m i'd say go there...

this is really a B-25 Mitchell-H, but didja wanna go back and do WWII planes? i'd love to, they really fit closer...


cheers

>>44406910
D-Wing

>>44407326
>TCW>ROTJ>TFA>ANH>RotS>TPM>ESB>AotC.
millenial scum detected.

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Who is the CIA/Bill Wilson of Star Wars?

>>44408092

I don't even know how someone has taste that shit.

Like, were they just born that way? Or did they train really hard to get that way?

>>44408356
C-3PO. Duh.

>>44407994
>A-Wing
>not English Electric Lightning

B-Wing as the F-111 works alright if we're doing swing-wing = s-foil.

Y-Wing might be better as the F-105.

>>44408411
But Anon, He's already a demon...

What does /swg/ think of the N1 Naboo Starfighter?

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>>44408420
>Y-Wing might be better as the F-105
>implying pic related isn't a BTL-A4 with an Autoblaster Turret

>>44408482
Considering I'm playing a Jedi fighter jockey who flies a restomodded one during the Vong War?
And that it helped him break the ice with a qt Remnant Interceptor pilot?
I like 'em.

Crew slot for Y-Wings when?

>>44408518
Never, too much overlap.

>>44408482
I always liked it. Battle for Naboo was also a pretty good game.

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>>44408501
>red and gold
>not black and silver

Though I guess this is more of something Vader would fly on occasion as a novelty.

>>44407611
Is "lackluster" your term for "they don't stomp all over poor mugglefags"? Lightsabers are brutal weapons, as they should be, but having a non-Force user hold their own and even be better suited to some situations than Force users is a nice change of pace from how bullshit they were in Saga.

>>44407611
The Force and Destiny expansion has more for force users.

I'm planning on playing a female Faleen diplomat in a upcoming AoR game but i just realized i don't have a single pic of a female Faleen. Anyone got some good pic to share?

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>>44408768
Wookiepedia should have been your first stop.

>>44407994
Well if you want to go back to WWII (allied planes as rebels, axis as empire) :

T-65: Either a Typhoon or a Hellcat, solid aircraft that could perform well in a bunch of roles
T-70: Either Tempest or Corsair, bigger guns and better aircrafts as a whole
A-Wing: Spitfire, agile, not well armed in the first models and a monster of speed and agility from the Griffon onwards
B-Wing: I'd go with a Mosquito since it's something with a lot of firepower but not much in terms of maneuvrability, a P-47 could be a good match too
Y-Wing: This is though, either a dive bomber or a light bomber is fitting, an Avenger maybe?
Z-95: Either a Hurricane or a Kittyhawk
K-Wing: As you said a light bomber is the best match here, B-25 it is
E-Wing: I don't really know, how about some post-war prop fighter? Tigercat, maybe?

>>44408803
Maybe anon was looking for a lewd one

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>>44408768
I drew one for a oneshot I'm doing next year, she's a quartermaster though

>>44408076
>Running strike missions for the Rebel Alliance
>Flying experimental spacecraft
>Mission successful, get third confirmed kill and become an ace
>Land back at base
>Cute Blue Squadron pilot comes up to me and congratulates me
>She says that she really liked how I flew the new prototype
>Asks if maybe she could try flying it
>She wants the D-wing

How do you build FFG characters in chargen? Leave the dump stat at 1? Can you afford 4s or 5s?

>>44409137
FFG's character creation blatantly lies to you, so it's counter intuitive. You want to pick one thing you're good at, and only one thing, and dump your points into at least three ranks of whatever Attribute attaches to that character role. You get that? You want THREE DICE minimum. Whatever you have left over you can dump into a couple of skills related to your character roll and maybe a talent or two, but that's it.

>>44408386
likely they are a you know what

>>44408816
>F7F Tigercat

Moi Nigghar!

also, great line up there, hard to dispute

>>44408816
Definitely not Hellcat for X-Wing, but this is because it's NOT a blatantly better fighter than the TIE/A6M (by the same token, TIE/Adv works as the A7M).
P-47 or P-61 for B-Wing
Definitely Avenger for the Y-Wing, it's got the bubble turret and everything.
Tigercat definitely works for the E-Wing

>>44409296
aaaand I'm overusing 'definitely' like a retard.

>>44403503
I like that but replace the heads with like, random SW alien heads

Like a mon calamari abe lincoln

How do you stop a FaD game from being a parade of snowflakes? What plots can you run other than "run from Imperials?"

>>44409325
Step 1: Watch Star Wars Rebels
Step 2: Change all the names

>>44409334
But he wants to STOP a parade of snowflakes, not merge in.

>>44408482
Best ship design to come out of the prequels.

>>44409351
I was more answering the plot issue.

>>44409137
Yes, it is possible to get a 4 in a stat by taking on extra obligation (+5 starting obligation for +5 starting XP, and +10 for +10). This makes for one brutal brawler trandoshan!

That said I encourage my players to spend most, if not all, of their starting XP into characteristics and build out their skills and talents later. You can only adjust your characteristics during character creation, and characteristics are the best bang for your buck way to increase your dice pools.

As >>44409185 said you should have at least a 3 in your role's primary stat, but I think it's wise to consider putting your leftover XP into another stat. Remember, leaving any given stat at 1 means you are almost certainly going to fail a lot of different checks related to that stat. There really is no "dump stat" in this game unless you have someone else in your party to cover that stat's checks, and as a GM I like to put characters, especially onesies, into situations they aren't made to handle.

>>44409351

Double down on the snowflake and send them on a mystical quest to ancient temples and lost worlds in pursuit of hidden Jedi lore and a powerful Force relic from a bygone age. Have an Inquisitorial force also seeking the relic, as well as a hideously rich Hutt who loves ancient relics for his collection.

>>44409419
This is a good way to handle it.

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>>44404042
>>44404049
>>44404053
>>44405536
>>44405563
>>44405578
They're vanes, not fans. They face straight on out, no curvature along the lateral axis iirc. I imagine that if I were the designer it would have been made this way to recall the previous x-wing design, but it's still mechanically 'functional' in-universe my bitch


Plus isn't it just a goddamn retrothrust port? So vanes would be better than a fan, which would reduced retrothrust to being delivered through that little nozzle on the t-65 engine 'spindle'. This way you get a broad outlet for thrust, which is probably a lot more effective at aiding in-atmo braking etc

>>44408482
It's damn sexy and I secretly want it to be the GOTTAGOFAST ship of the prequels.
And I want someone to still be running with one in the Empire and beyond era that they have modded to be 2fast2furious and utterly deadly.

What is the Ferrari Testarossa of Star Wars?

>>44409450
I've been planning to buy some X-Wing scale models of them to use as proxies for Z-95s if I ever break into Scum and Villainy.

>>44409296
The P-61! I forgot about that! Could work as a B-Wing but since it was more of a reconnaisance aircraft i would use it as a HWK, the P-47 works better since it was a flying brick as much as the B-Wing is

>>44409440
Are they just there to aid in atmospheric flight? I can't imagine a use for intakes in spess. Like, what even would they intake.

>>44409450
>It's damn sexy
Why am I picturing the one from TPM having the personality of an anime girl.
>"Oh R2-sama~!"

>>44409501
B-Wing's an Il-2 Shturmovick.

Just sayin.

>>44409513
He just said they aren't intakes, they're for retrothrust - essentially the craft pushes thrust through the wide, forward-facing outlets for quick turns, braking or reverse flight.

>>44409513
It's Star Wars.

>>44409366
>>44409450
How about a blacked version? >>44408585

I'm gonna run a game where the players are all Stormtroopers using AoR. What's some good reading material for getting into the daily life of a Stormtrooper?

>>44409325
Find out what motivates them, not just what stands in their way. For example, some people might not just run from imperials, they might stand up for people being oppressed by them and go out of their way to stop a plan should they find out they're up to something that would be bad for the planet or galaxy. Otherwise the criminal world is always usable. Just find out plots that effect more than just them and see if you can get them to try and stop it, try and care about collateral and all that. Characters outside of those trying to kill them help.

>>44409633
Republic Commando

But really, there's a Zahn book, Allegiance, that has quite a bit of stormtroopers doing stormtrooper things, from their perspective.

>>44409633
Try reading non-SW military sci fi.

>>44409623
It's cool, but the yellow-and-chrome will be more instantly recognizable as Naboo.

>>44403474
I only really remember Jerec and Tremayne being serious threats back in the day.

>>44404769
>>44404846
I doubt the contract with George allows that.

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Poe Dameron is a fucking monster. I enjoyed what little screentime he had in the movie and his performance in X-Wing solidifies him as one of my favorite characters from TFU. BB-8 and Push the Limit should not be usable together.

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Kyle Katarn is canon again. Maybe.

>>44409774
That bit where he takes out ten TIE/fos in a single shot is amazing, and as an X-Wing player I was just nodding.

>>44409781
X-Wing ain't canon, and Kyle sadly probably never will be because he takes place after the original trilogy.

>>44409781
Uh, FFG isn't canon, they explicitly do Legends stuff.

>>44409742
>I doubt the contract with George allows that.

Not only that, but it'd be incredibly disrespectful for Kathleen to propose, let alone entertain the idea, of remaking the movies. She and her husband are good friends of George's, there's a reason that he picked her to be his replacement and it's not just because she's got good business sense.

>>44409774

I like him and Finn. I mean, Poe gives the guy his first name and then give him his first gift (not counting the lightsaber) of the jacket. Poe and Finn for best bromance. Better than Kylo's creepy Vader-lust.

>>44409296
What about the Empire? A lot of models could work both for the Pacific and Europe:

Bf109: Designed to be cheap to produce and mantain while having acceptable performances -> TIE Fighter
late models were actually pretty respectable aircrafts -> TIE Advanced
Fw190: The better aircraft, much more maneuvrable and speedy -> TIE Interceptor
Ju-87: The most famous dive bomber in history -> TIE Bomber?
He111: A proper bomber -> TIE Punisher?
Me262: The most known wunderwaffe, a lot of speed, a pretty resilient fuselage and a lot of firepower (and i mean a LOT those mk103 30mm hurt) there's also a version with a 50mm cannon ->TIE Defender
Me410: Since it was a night fighter it could work as a TIE Phantom .... maybe?

I would like to fit the Hs129, but i don't remember seeing a slow cannon armed small ship i didn't already mention among the Imperials

A6M: Cheap and really agile (and fr-agile) aircraft -> TIE Fighter
A7M: Like the above but better -> TIE Advenced
Ki-84: Speedy, maneuvrable, well armed -> TIE Interceptor
B6N: A torpedo bomber -> TIE Bomber
G4M: A proper bomber -> TIE Punisher

I don't know much about japanese aircrafts so i don't really know what japanese aircraft could fit the Defender's and Phantom's roles

>>44409932
Hs.129 is the Gunboat, no?

I'd actually put the Me.262 as the Phantom, it has the whole "come out of nowhere and be gone faster than you can blink" thing going for it.

Defender would be the Do.335

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>>44410021
The thing is that the phantom is an extremely maneuvrable ship while the defender is a pure boom'n'zoom ship, look at the dial it gets in the game: it goes as fast as it gets while going straight, all hard turns are red and has a white k-turn (aka hammerhead) so it fits the jet style a lot better than the phantom.
And yes the Hs129 is the duck with the big gun

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bureau_of_Ships_and_Services/Legends

These fuckers. If there's one thing I don't like about the setting is how overpowered yet pointless these guys are. They stopped two galactic wars (somehow) but are nowhere when Sheev does his thing. What's the explanation?

>>44408601
More like, through artificial experience inflation, mediocre abilities, and spread out talents, they had to knock down force users down several notches because "lol, balance".

Don't get me wrong, non-force users should be able to hold their own and whatever, but FFG kind of made force users shitty in FnD by pigeonholing them into boxed career choices that kind of don't make sense.

I liked what they were doing with force users in the first two books, having them as universal specs with lots of flavorful talents and abilities, and force powers being nice and flexible. Kind of made the force more mystical and force users the way the should be-- as good generalist.

>>44410137
Do.335's also a boom'n'zoom ship.

I'd make the distinction that the Defender is the "apex predator" of the traditional TIE line, while the Phantom is a paradigm shift, which is pretty well represented by the Pfeil/Schwalbe.

>>44407049
The problem is that OT Star Wars craft are more analogous to World War II planes than jet fighters.

>F-22
StealthX is the closest comparison. It's a dedicated stealth fighter with top-notch dogfighting capability. The T-70 isn't stealthy at all unless you count the ECM that's built into literally every starfighter in the Rebellion and post-Rebellion eras.

>>44409774
I'm always a little bit confused by people who think things like this. Like, when someone is really amazed by what a book or film character can do. It's a movie. They made it that way.

Anyone here got experience designing custom ships and/or commissioning artists to draw them? Working on something for a bounty hunter in my EotE/FaD game and want to make it visual.

>>44410800
How can you enjoy fiction at all?

What is the best way to play the FFG games?
Only one book at a time depending on the theme of the campaign or all books at the same time to get everything?

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>>44410800

How do you enjoy things that aren't real at all?

Why and how are you even here?

>>44410870
Depends what you want to run and what your party wants to play

>>44410870
In my opinion, you should let the players pick which class they want from any of the books, but other people feel that allowing F&D characters into EotE/AoR games makes things more difficult for everyone (harder to balance encounters and make sure the Force-user isn't hogging the spotlight).

Regardless, I would choose one morality/duty/obligation and make all party members stick to it; I prefer obligation for everyone, and I keep a rudimentary morality for my Force-users only.

The tone of your campaign and what the players want to play as will be the deciding factor in your choice, really.

>>44410183
You mean like how every other career in the other books work? I'm not seeing your point.

How the Exile and Emergent are meant to be are as add-ons to the "boxed career choices" of the first two books. F&D gives you the Force rating of either of those for free immediately.
If MUH KEWL POWERS is your thing go look up knight-level play

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>>44410800
Dogfighting and pilots got more love in TFA. For all its flaws, one of the things TFA did right was establishing its iconic pilot's ace status. Wedge Antilles, the greatest ace of the Rebellion era, only got a few moments of screen time and a handful of on-screen kills. Then Poe comes along and in a few seconds, he splashes more TIEs on-screen than Wedge does in the entire OT. It shows that X-wing jocks have come a long way since 1977. It's impressive and cool because it blows past precedent out of the void.

Plus, for the XWM fans, it backs up Poe's amazing card ability and leads to speculation on just how crazy TFA-era Wedge is. Poe only has PS 8 in a T-70, which is apparently old by the film's time period. Imagine the sort of shit Old Man Antilles could pull in the NR's newer T-85s.

>>44410870
All at once. Started a campaign using EotE, moved things in from AOR as they became available and slowly began pushing Rebel storylines in.

Over half the PCs took Emergent, so I put it on hiatus until F&D came out. Now it's been out for a while and these jackasses don't wanna know because I veto their dumber ideas and take no shit (seriously one of them had his backstory be a researcher who escaped the Maw after boning Qui Xux until i told him that was too mental)

One part of the Hand of Thrawn Duology I loved was whenever The Conman managed to act like Thrawn all on his own using underworld knowledge.

>>44408585
The Chromium nose is a distinctive element for the Naboo Royal Security Force.
My character is not RSF, and wasn't going to wear an honor he hadn't earned on his fighter.

>>44409563
Oh, ok.

Better

>>44411507
Do you have an image of your N1?

>>44411177
That is my point. They just rehashed the same shit from the first two books, but made a lackluster attempt to make them "forcey"; you still get a diplomat, a fighter, a scoundrel/rouge, etc, with bland talents put in to round out the trees. The saber forms were a good idea, but still pigeonholed with the careers. Plus parry and reflect seem just shoved in to take up space in a lot of trees.

I rather if they kept the force careers as universal specs, maybe keep the mechanics of skills added on (with I think 2 less to make up for force rating as intended), and made to be more generalist. Then, if you wanted to specialize, you could take particular career specs from the other books.

I also did knight level play with my group. It was clear how ineffectual force users were made. It was great when they could do somewhat "jedi stuff" like force jump obstacles, but then get randomly shot down in one roll from a minion group. It just led to some random ass moments that were wildly divergent from what I or my players thought made sense.