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Why is IG the most NPC faction?

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How threatening are Necrons tanks compared to their infantry, swarms, and beasts?

>>44388215
What tanks

>>44388136
Relatable since they're humans and have lives just like we do. But they're also kinda worthless.

Speaking of recasts, does anyone have Heyyou's details?

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May aswell get a few opinions on a list I'm writing

Hellbrecht 180
Champion 140 320
Honour Guard +1 marine, relic blades, razorback w/ assault cannon 225 545

Jump Chaplain 105 650
Vanguard Vets Relic Blade, Power Weapons 145 795

Assault Squad Vet Sgt, Power Sword, Eviscerator, Flamer 140 935

Dev Squad Lascannon x2, Plasma Cannon, Missile Launcher + flakk 185 1120

Tac Squad Metlagun, Gravcannon, Power Sword, Vet Sgt, Drop Pod, Meltabombs 250 1370

Scout Squad , Camo Cloaks, Heavy Bolter, Hellfire 78 1448

Whirlwind 65 1513

>>44388232

Vehicles in general.

>>44388245
How big is it supposed to be? What are you expecting to fight against? What's your attack strategy? G-got pics of your army? :3

>>44388245
Its fine against anything, that's not eldar/crons/tau.

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Smart Missile System or Missile Pod Turret for a squad of 12 Firewarriors + Fireblade?

>>44388445
>turret
>12 man fw
>fireblade
You do it wrong, dude.

>>44388445
SMS is just a superior FW

MP adds slight anti-tank

What do you need more in your list?

In Codex: Orks the mekaniaks special rule states that the meks you buy have to be attached to an infantry unit. A big mek is a one model infantry unit. Does making a mek mob around a BM sound like RaI?

>>44388245
what are you going to fight against?

>>44388445
Drop 6 fire warriors, fireblade and turret and take two more plasma crisises.

>>44388365
I'm building them right now. Well, the honour guard, at least.
>>44388560
Anything of the same points cost, really.

>>44388526
Yes you can do that

Does anyone have the updated imperial armour: Doom of Mymeara?

You know what would be cool? Bloodbowl, but for 40k.

>>44388445
MSU, Etherial, and you have better sources of S7 so SMS. Fireblade is fine with MSU if you run a hunter Contingent and don't nerf it, just remember not to be a dick.

>>44388694
Post them anyway, sword-brother

>>44388730
Tau: nothing but throwers and catchers + a battlesuit that works like that dwarf roller
IG: commissars for pseudo petty cash
SM: basically dwarfs
Everyone else: has an equivalent in fantasy and will play like a re-skin of them.
I like the sounds of this.

>>44388754
He will lose with infantry tau, m8.

>>44388232

Annihilation Barge, Doomsday Ark, Tesseract Ark...

>>44388813
you need three troop choices for the hunter cadre, and some people aren't WAACfags anyhow.

Had to lie it on the side and leave most of the limbs off... But yes, a Killa Kan makes a brilliant base piece for a Y'varha. This was a good call.

I can use some scrap from the other limbs to fill in the rest of the base afterwards.

>>44388899
>for the hunter cadre
Who the fuck needs this shit? Just take retaliation cadre+osc/heavy retribution+drone net for marker lights.

>>44388899

Honestly, the base Fire Warriors are space filling cannon fodder for when they have more soldiers than they can build suits.

Less expansionistic Tau would prolly not even field them, not needing the extra numbers so much.

Anyone have the updated corsairs list or updated IA 11? I didn't see it in the mega and I'd like to take a look at pirate eldar.

>>44388931

People have raging buffmander fetishes, because apparently that's the best use for a BS5 HQ who can actually equip a huge variety of useful ranged weapons.

>>44388970
It's a gimmick, it was a gimmick in the old book too, people like having fun, even weird fish-people with hooves.

>>44388970
>max: 2 weapons per suit
>useful
Stop being fat, m8. With weapons commander become just expensive piece of useless shit.

>>44388981

I do like the Marker Commander, but even then I give her missile pods and a target lock so she can actually contribute...

What kind of commander work best for each section of the Taucurion:
-command+etheral
- core hunter cadre
-an auxiliar demanding a commander like retaliation cadre?

>>44388931
Anyone who wants the pocket cash or interesting games?
Think I found the bait...

>>44388999

Ha ha, yes. More expensive than 150 points+ On just sitting there passively buffing a few things. With buffs you can mostly achieve with markerlights anyhow.

>>44389027
Then you should play with eldars , crons, demi-companies and warconvos. Shit, most of codexes can play well against “cheese“ tau.

>>44388914
That poor Kan... he could have been with 14 of his brothers instead

>>44389052
>buffing a few things.
see the new Tau codex.
It was and is a gimmick, but with the new Tau macro-formation it is actually good at its job.

>>44389105

Gonna have the pilot making a panicked run for it.

Shame there's no running pose legs in this Grot kit, but I'll make do.

I think they missed the opportunity of making Khan whole obssession with hunting Shadowsun a reference to Moby Dick. She even wears a fat white suit.

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>>44389052
Hmmm, what's better: ignore cover + rerolls for almost any unit from codex or filthy two weapons.

>>44388236 bump, anyone got the catalogue?

>>44388136
>trying to bait this hard.

>>44389074
Balanced games aren't inherently interesting, the Hunter contingent adds some thought to the point and click nature of some Tau builds.

>>44389153

Two weapons, you can buffshare the same benefits for 3 marker hits with combined fire.

The Neurochip is more worthwhile, but doesn't keep you from taking your two weapons.

>>44389201
Ive reached the point where Ive bought everything but I still want to buy. I have an Ork army and a night goblin squad. Help. I achieved this before and it ended with me starting a daemons army, which Is collecting dust as when I finished I went back to orks.

>>44389214
Didnt mean to quote

>>44389177
>point and click nature of any faction cheese lists
Fixed.

>>44389144
Could make him cower behind some wreckage instead of running

One fairly neglected Commander option is the one weapon variant. Specifically, take that one forge world signiature system that grants a marker light and target lock for 20 points, then add either a missile pod for a bit of punch to go with your BS5 split fire marker, or a flamer for overwatch.

>>44389371

There's a stikkbomb brandishing model, might have him pinned under wreckage and trying to toss it?

>>44389390
That actually sounds great

>>44389255
Yeah, no. Strong and simple are not synonyms. Of the 'good' armies Tau suffer most from simplicity, the addition of actual choices in-game is appreciated.

>>44389583
>implying scatbikes and wraithknights harder to play than xv8's and riptides

>>44389660
>implying Eldar and Tau are the only cheese lists

>tfw your FLGW was robbed over the Christmas break.

WELP at least now I got time to paint my 30+ Guardsmen...

>>44389734
Yeah, we also have necron wraiths and WarConvo gunlines.

>>44388719
I have the book, but not the rules for you to download, sorry. Don't have a scanner or a camera, not even a camera phone. Or a webcam.

>>44389770
War Convo has more decision making than Tau, and same for Necrons or bikes.

>>44389583
Pffff. By Tau you mean Necrons right?

>let me just walk my dudes up the field and they will never die.

With Tau you at least have to know everyone's army, target prioritize and position yourself to keep from being assaulted.

How do you recognize a competitive list?

>>44389816
By having a general idea of everyone's army.

>>44389816
>>44389831
Also know the common netlists.

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Any updates for new codexes in Heralds of Ruin Killteam ?

>>44389890
AFAIK it's no longer supported.

>>44389798
>same with bikers
Muh jsj.

>>44389930
Oh so it's impossible to play now? Shame it looked interesting.

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>No sound, just 6 quick flashlights in your face before you are unceremoniously turned into melted pasta.

Why does it sound like a troll weapon? Is the Fusion Collader completely silent too?

>>44389951
If your group lacks the mental capacity to figure out how to work in updated rules or new units, yeah.

>>44389972
I think all energy weapons shouldn't make sounds actually.

I am about to walk to my local games work shop in the dark and in the cold to buy my very first box of miniatures for the start of my brand new founded army, the thing is i can't decide if I should get Eldar, or Ad Mech.
What do you think?

>>44389994
I'm pretty sure melta and las weapons only make cracking sounds from the air around them heating up rapidly.

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Ok so I'm thinking about getting into Grey Knights and about to pick up my first box of 10 strike guys. I'm going to build it as 2 squads of Interceptors with teleport homers to bring in some non-scatter terminators.

What is the general consensus on their loadout? Their main use is to shunt up the board, call in the terminators, then jump around harassing or going after objectives. I'd imagine they'd have 2 incinerators, but what about their melee loadout? Should I bother with halberds, or put a hammer on the justicar? Falchions? Keep em with the stock loadout?

Question about 'Counts as' models.
I want to use Vulkan Hestans rules, but not his model at all. Not even using a spear.
Would it be acceptable to use a generic captain with his rules if it is still mostly wysiwyg?

Is there an easy and delicate way to strip old paint? Is it true washing up liquid and hot water works without harming the plastic?

>>44390020
>cheese or less cheese

what's the best thing to put in a stormlord?

>>44390108
Simple green Man, simple green

>>44389930
Yeah but I heard that people on their forum are putting up updated rules for newer codexes, though I can't find them.

>>44390127
>stormlord
20 mortar teams

>>44390098
As long as you opponent (and you) wont have to stop mid-game to confirm who he is and what he is carrying anything goes.

>>44390108
Washing up liquid is a bit on the weak side, never had much result with it.

Personally I use some cheap heavy duty potassium soap for it, one with plenty of potash/potassium hydroxide.
Look for something with a PH value of about 10-11, wear gloves and seal up the minis and agent with as little air as possible, contact with air slows and weakens the reaction.

>>44390098
well i aim for the same size and bits/weapons like the model. also it's painted how the real model would be.

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Hey yall helped me out with an Ork list the passed two days to take against my cousins AM tank army.

Was wondering if there would be any backlash against me posting a pretty nobody batrep so people can tell me where I went wrong. My only problem is I forgot to take pictures so thats pretty bleh.

>>44390127
20 Heavy Weapon teams, hands down. Mortars are great as you can be OOLOS and still shoot.

>>44390221
i love reading batreps here, but no one seems to care or mind them either way. just make sure to be fair to the opponent

>>44390250

I have never seen anyone really post their batrep in a thread and am unsure how best to do it. I didnt write down tons of details. Just the description of match and deployment then a short turn by turn summary for each of us.

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Posted this the night before Christmas and I got little feedback.

RIP me apart /tg/

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>>44390298

>>44390317
>>44390298
You could have just posted the first and last paragraph.

Same result, better snap.

>>44390298
Er, the interceptor drones are of course BS2, hitting on 5s. Not BS5

>>44390298

>Guys people ignored my shitty bait so I screenshotted it.

>>44390221

Can you type it out all like an ork?

>>44390221
I'd enjoy reading it:

on an unrelated note, can a vet squad with 3 flamers fire all their flamers on the same unit?

>>44390338
I posted most of that knowing there would be black lash, because Coldstar is considered terrible.I thought and in depth explanation would be required anyways, so I just put it all out there.

>>44390370
Not bait. I truly want someone to refute me because I actually believed what I typed.

>>44390426
They have too. Unless you have split fire.

>>44390426
Of course. I'm not sure what argument you have in your head against flaming the same unit.

Another thing to remember is that it's all done at the same time, so you cover as much as you can with each template then roll to wound all together before any models are removed. That and that the template is the range of the weapon, so any models that were farther away than where the template hit can't be wounded.

>>44390454
>>44390484

My bad, I meant to add the "out of a Taurox" bit

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>>44390279
actually i've done a few batreps here over the years and a live battle report from vassal. try to do a turn by turn overview, good rolls, bad rolls, where you messed up, weaknesses and don't forget the lists.

>>44390298
>>44390317
where's my battle report Parker? get me pictures of that coldstar.

>>44390508
How many access points are on a Tourox.

>>44390610
thee.
two side doors and rear hatch.

Anyone got ideas on how to make this list a bit tighter?

HQ:
Daemon Prince, Black Mace, Lv3, Wings, Armour, Spell Senpai

Chaos Lord, Juggernaught, Axe of Blind Fury, Sigil, Mark of Khorne

Troops:
2x10 Cultists

Fast:
9 Raptors, 2 Meltas
Heldrake w/ flamer

Heavy:
Maulerfiend, Tentacles
5 Havocs, 4 Autocannons

Gorepack:
3 Bikes
10 Bikes
5 Dogs
5 Dogs
10 Dogs

1844/1850 points

>>44390508
As long as it has three FIRE points you can fire all 3 flamers or of the Taurox and they must be at the same unit

>>44390769
The Taurox has two fire points on each side

>>44390769
Yeah fire points, not access points my bad.

>>44390702
Take the flame template and place the beginning at each of the fire points and if it lands over anything then you scored a hit.

At least that's how I remember it working.

>>44390798
That sounds incredibly inconvenient for flamers but then you can only fire 2 flamers at the same unit

>>44390835
Actually wouldn't it just be one, unless you got yourself a green tide surrounding your vehicle.

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>>44390744
Spell Senpai noticed me!

>>44390744
drop havocs, get some melta on the bikers, take nurgle on the daemon prince, combi melta on raptor champ. what the hell is spell senpai? make the bike and dog squads bigger, 3 bikers or 5 dogs is a quick kill point

>>44390744
>Spell Senpai
Swap it for the Spell Familiar

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>>44388719
>>44389786

>Still no scan for Corsairs

Cmon, that's been forever now. You'd think someone would've scanned that shit.

>>44390852
Technically you can put your templates over the vehicle, so if you drive up to a unit you could position it so you could throw a template over the front or even over the bank of the vehicle

>>44391113
Personally I just need the shadows spectres, their phoenix lord and the pale courts battlehost pages.

I may be flush after the holidays, but 50£ for 3 pages ain't happening.

>>44389798
As an Eldar who just used his friends Obamacare army, I can say this is a 100% factual statement.

>>44391166

Are you me? Exactly what I'm thinking.

>>44391196
I dunno, do you want the Pale Host in order to have Autarch and 3x Dire Avenger units fulfil your core req?

>>44390020
What do you like?
Space elves with aspect warriors, skimmer tanks and wraith bone construct.

Worshippers of lost technologies waging war with artifacts who's knowledge was lost to past ages and using robots that borderline heresy metal men!?

Go with the faction you like the most. Otherwise go with the models you like the most.

>>44390020
If you're fine with getting shit because you choose homosexual space elves and generally being an automatic dick every game because you're gonna wipe the floor with people.

I'm not trying to be an asshole, I wish someone told me this when I choose Tau.

>>44391219

Fuck me, you really are me.

>No Guardians shitting up your swordwind
>Dires with their BS5, +1A and rerollable ld formation
>Autarch with the rerolls in challenges

Bueno.

>>44390070
Keep the melee weapons cheap. All swords, 2 incinerators, teleport homer

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>>44391288
Let the Bahzhakhain sweep the filth from the galaxy.

I wonder why the Sunshark has BS 3 when it looks like it is equipped with an Advance Targeting like the Hammerhead. Also, shouldnt the Air Caste have better sight due having evolved and breed to fly?

>>44391481

There is no logic to Tau BS skills, and anyone pretending otherwise can present a partial explanation at best.

It's all purely balanced around markerlights boosting BS.

>>44391481
BS is eyesight, reflexes, coordination and training, training, training.

Just look at nids, entire genuses evolved solely to lauch projectiles, homing ammunition bred with a desire to hit, sentient guns and yet BS 3 is the norm among them.

Hey /tg/. this Christmas I went back and found a box of really old Orks, my first ever army. As a little side project I have started to restore them but they're so awful I can't believe my past self made them.

Not only are some parts missing but many of the models are simply put together wrong, the hands of drivers and bikers reaching out in to thin air, arms glued on upside and in one case an old ork trukk that has been repaired by with the wheels of a dwarf flame cannon on the side of it.

Have you ever run in to this type of thing /tg/?

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>>44391676

>>44391481
Shouldn't a Crisis Suit veteran have a higher BS than a Fire Warrior grunt.

we need a fucking D12 system goddammit

>>44391717
Ha, that's not far foo to be honest.

>>44391723

There was a time when the Advanced Targeting System gave them 4 BS.

>>44391717
I love the smiley face

>>44391595
I always put it to training because I see it as models trying to dodge your fire and training helps to with that.

WS same thing. Your dude didn't fucking retardedly swing at his feet, the other dude dodge and parried you

>>44391798
Much more efficient to just get two of the same weapon now. Ah, the days of having to mix and match to get slightly viable combos. Fireknife we hardly knew ye.

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So, my friend gave me tidewall rampart set for christmas. Is it good shit? Or are these ~ 250 points better spent on extra crisis squad or riptide?

>>44392139

You can deploy the individual sections without being part of the Rampant.

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>>44392139

Due the wording of the Shieldline's rule, a Landraider can kill itself with its own HEAVY BOLTERS. Also there's also formations.

I wonder if you can equip a Commander, a Crisis or a Broadside with a Velocity Tracker and operate the Gunring and one of their weapons at the same time (multi-tracker)...

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>>44392139

>>44392239
"...One non-vehicle model in base contact with a gun emplacement can fire it instead of firing its own weapons..."

>>44392283

Well. At least I can get a Twin-linked BS5 S10 AP 1 antitank-anti-aircraft moving plattform.

>>44392318

Also tank-hunter/monster-hunter with the PEN chip. I must not forget that.

>>44392338

Have Darkstrider fire it.

Instant death to T6 monstrous creatures.

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>>44392139

3 Gunrigs gives you this. Why do you even need tanks at this point?

>>44392270
>>44392439
I have only one gunrig from box set .-.

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Grav Cannons or Grav Guns in 10 man white scar squads in rhinos?

Save points for a worse gun?

What does /tg/ do?

>>44392488

They sell them separately now.

>>44392518
Resellers in my country got some boxes with old price.

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I don't get the point of the Tidewall Rampant. It seems quite obsolete with no special rules when you can deploy the sections separately. Also you can deploy this formation.

I received Logan Grimnar for christmas. Now it's time to build it, paint it and then put it away because with the current rules there isn't really any possible reason to play it, except if you need to nerf your army to play against Orks

What I don't get about this game, is why is power armour considered useful when nobody dies?

>>44393206

Just don't glue him to the Santamobile so you can field him normally.

>>44393240
That for sure. About that, I have a question for everyone that already has the model: is the sled big enough to contain him with the base or I have to use magnets to be able to put him on both?

>>44393223
>nobody dies

niggah wat ?

Alright, so I asked about the Interceptors earlier, now about these Terminators. They'll be my troops choice so I'm wondering if the following is a decent general loadout:

4 halberds, 2 psycannons, 1 hammer.

>>44393283
it's big enough

>>44393582
halberds are generally not that great.

psycannons and hammer looks fine.

>>44393582
Scratch the second psycannon, I read the entry wrong. So only 1 psycannons.

>>44393582
Compared to Terminators, are Paladins worth taking? 5 man squad with 2 psycannons?

>>44390175
This sounds like fun

>>44393772
They are insanely expensive and only have a 5+ invuln.

So no.

>>44393772

Usually, but killing them with massed S8 Ap2 or higher is fucking hilarious.

>>44393772
Paladins with Draigo or a Grandmaster are one of my friends' staple squads and they kick all kinds of ass whether I field my CSM, Tau or Necrons. GK are pretty fucking good honestly with all those free psychic powers, great wargear, popping off spells easily and all that shit.

>>44390175
>not 20 lascannons.

Christmas Model questions edition

1. Am I right that the best way to run a Defiler is with a power scourge and extra fist, moving him up the board towards melee and battle cannon-ing things as you go?

2. Forgefiends. Is Ectoplasm Face + 2 Hades Gatling guns a good load out? Am I wrong that three ectoplasma cannons looks like a bad idea?

3. Herald of Tzeentch on a Burning Chariot, or Exalted Flamer. How hard would it be to magnatize everything so I could put the Herald on Foot or on the Chariot as I wanted/Put the Flamer on the Chariot when I do?

>>44394142
2) Always ensure your weapons share range and preferred targets.

Having half you firepower be out of range, plink off harmlessly or be pointless overkill is a waste of points.

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I'm wracking my brain over these guys. I noticed they have Hammerhand, giving them +2S. Should I even bother with halberds? The Falchions give them an extra attack though, but they're Force anyway so if I wound something it'll end up dying pretty much, right?

>>44394237
halberds look cooler, though

>>44393998
>kick tau
You field fire warriors, kroots, stealth suits and other kind of casual shit instead of multiple riptides, stormsurgers and crisisbombs?

>>44394142
For the Forgefiends, I side with >>44394194 . I run mine basic with 2 Hades and I use them for all-purpose shooting. High strength and weight of shots means they're great all-rounder weapons for anything from hordes to special characters to MCs to even flyers but the chassis itself isn't very good and they are overcosted for what they do so keep it simple and run them basic at 175 points.

Nothing sucks harder than trying to flatten something with 3 plasma blasts at bolter range only to fuck yourself with Gets Hot! and then getting drilled full of lead. At least the hades has better range.

>>44394142
>herald on burning chariot

don't bother, herald can only cast witchfires out and no summoning. as for putting magnets on, not that hard but you could just get some flamers of tzeentch instead.

>>44394237
Halbers are for looks only, they used to be sweet as fuck beck when they had that imba Initiative boost.

But nowadays it's Falchion spam with a Token hammer.

>>44394284
Well 3x plasma is less siocidal when you at least have IWND to keep you standing, and a volley of S8/AP2 pies is pretty neat.

You know what I would love to see in a 7.5 Ork book? Squadrons of up to 3 Looted Wagons with the old Boom Guns.

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>>44394383
It is done; now orks are all t3 with ld4.

>>44394279
Yes I do. I don't field kroot because I don't have any (yet, maybe) but those 2, pathfinders and shit. Also a Ghostkeel but just 1 and I don't use the formation cause it's gay.

>>44394322
I guess it is neat but personally I never found much success with it. Forgefiends attract a good amount of firepower in my experience and I always have SHIT rolls with Gets Hot!

>>44394406
Ah shit. This chain of wishes is going to end with undead Zogwort banging down my door isn't it?

>>44390070
My friend uses these guys religiously. 2 squads of 10, novel takes strike teams. All have swords, Justicar has hammer or halberd, 2 incinerators. Always combat squad them, so you get the extra warp charge/power.

>>44394455
>Yes I do
So its your problem. Riptide, or even bunch of plasma crisises fuck draigobomb without any problems.

>>44394541
I guess, but I'd rather have a good hard-fought battle with miniatures i love than steamroll. I don't enjoy easy wins, they bore me to death. It's more "cinematic" like this, and allows for more personal stories and promotions for the models for feats of strength.

>>44394604
>playing against deathstars with low-tier units
>good battle

>>44394678
Well I've yet to lose a single battle against them anyway. I class a good battle any battle that I find some difficulty with and actually have to earn my win through tactics and decision-making.

Plus fielding powerful shit purely for the sake of winning at all cost is pathetic. How microscopic does your dick have to be to spend hundreds of euros on an army to steamroll another dweeb on the tabletop?

>>44394039
>not 60 Multi-meltas

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>>44394467
>brand new psychic phase
>remove Zogwart

>>44390744
A liiiittle light on AV but that's easily remediable by putting more meltas on bikes or similar. Not a terrible list for CSM unless you're planning on going WAAC which would probably mean be'lakor, and drop the raptors to fill out your gorepack.

Honestly most ways to make CSM better is just play KDK at this point.

>>44394788
Are Orks now the only army with psykers that doesn't have a named psyker?

>>44394891
No named IG psykers either.

Nids technically have one.

>>44391902
WS is raw garbage though

Watch a demon prince roll 6 2s against a guard squad and then ask yourself why games workshop is still fucking over assault units 4 editions after they made the phase practically irrelevant

>>44394891
I'm not sure actually, honestly his squig power was insane but just losing named characters (Wazdakka) sucks big time

>>44394501
Never


Damn autocorrect

>>44394928
Ah right. I rarely see IG being played, except every once in a while the Astra Grotarum of a friend of mine that only use Yarrik as a named character, so I completely forgot about them

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So, how do you get your games? Private club? (F)LGS club? Friends? Pickup games at the (F)LGS?

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Which are the most effective/popular loadouts and roles for Crisis suits since the last codex? How big are the typical Crisis squads now that you can bring up to 9?

>>44394750
Plasma crisises pretty mediocre unit.

>>44394142
Defiler is still a mess of contradictory rules and purposes so yeah it's arguably the best just battle cannoning until it can fuck things up in melee, but that's also an additional 25 points or so. Too bad the flamer on it is fucking useless because of where it's mounted.

Ectoplasma is cool and a single cannon can be worth it if you're struggling to put AV somewhere. Only worth taking 3 if you're really dedicated to taking the forgefiend and the gatling cannons are shooting at 2+/3+ armor all day. You probably won't GH yourself to death, but it might be hard to keep it firing for more than 3 turns.

Burning chariots on the whole are kinda whatever, but exalted flamers are the better option on them. Heralds are just better served being on screamers or in squads and the chariot doesn't really give them anything cool since the weapons are on the exalted flamer anyway. HoW having warpflame is also NOT cool.

>>44395024
Commissar's ARE infact the likely reason there's no named IG Psykers.

Having a cheap junior commissar execute a 200 points named psyker at the first Peril would suck, characterful, sure, but painful as well.

>>44395052
We used to play in a open club but it'd turn more and more to MTG nights, LARP kindergarden.

In the end it was mostly a general hangout for the most insufferable pricks, autistic nerds, social retards and every other invertebrate willing to pay the membership fee, they'd fill up chairs and tables and at best they'd play shitpile with the clubs rookie MTG cards while eating toast and listening to awful music on their phones.

Now we play in a private club of friends.

>>44395072
Plasma and missiles should still be the best for general squads, Melta for deep-strikint anti-tank. Not sure on squad size, since most competitive players have just switched to bigger suit spam.

>>44395244

What about deep strike with Cyclic Ion Blaster or Airbursting Frag.?

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>>44395224
>while eating toast
Was this in Europe? Because it sounds like Europe.

>>44395052
I have a group that meets and has met since 3rd every Tuesday
>>44395072
For me the double plasma still works best.

>>44395224
Isn't that only if the psyker and the commissar are in the same unit?
>Commissars actually have an∞" sniper pistol but only use it to kill eventual psyker that suffer perils of the warp
>And only if they are part of his army, not of the enemy one

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>>44395293
Yup, ham and singles toast sandwich.

Burnt crumbs and runny napalm "cheese" everywhere.

>>44395274
Cyclic ion blaster spam could be fun...
I run my suits in squads of twos or threes.

>>44395360
Oh, I thought you were talking about buttered toast. Grilled cheese sandwiches makes a bit more sense.

Actually Fireknife, which I'm led to believe is the name for plasma/missile Crisis suits, doesn't seem bad at all if spammed: Not as good as splitting up specialists, but decent strength, decent rate of fire, decent flexibility.

Should do solidly in a casual meta?

Of course, even casual metas need to deal with individual Knights and Wraithknights popping up nowadays sadly. Just from people liking the models.

>be 11
>go to GW, interested in starting 40k
>manager talks with me about the game, really informative
>play a short match, 2 squads each
>he lets me win but its not completely obvious
>get hooked, start collecting space marines
>visit regularly on Saturdays to play fun matches
>not long afterwards, manager leaves store
>eventually bro starts playing 40k with me
>one day we have a no points limit match just for shits and giggles
>we put our entire armies on the table
>proud of our armies, despite them being pretty small
>about to start playing when new neckbeard manager storms over
>"THAT'S NOT HOW THE GAME IS PLAYED, YOU HAVE TO HAVE LIMITS REEEEE"
>takes store dice / templates away until we put a point limit in place
>gives a smirk as he hands the dice / templates back
>never feel that fun Saturday game feeling again
>eventually stop playing and sell army on ebay
>15 years later, I walk past my local GW
>see kid inside with huge smile on his face as he buys a predator

I miss that feel.

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>>44395486
Fucking neackbeards.

>>44395486
>I'll take things that never happened for 500.

>>44395520
Here's your (You)

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>>44395382
>Fireknife

It is the generalist build of choice, it'll eat heavy infantry, light vehicles, passable at hordes and has good range.

Also here's an old titbit about suit loadout names.

>>44395544
Managers don't act like that. Because people report them and they get their asses fired.

This stinks of strawmanning. So you will pardon me if I call bullshit on your little story.

>>44395576
Oh so there's no assholes in the world whatsoever because they fear repercussions? Get real, this guy was a grade A fucktard, he had nothing to fear from two kids.

>>44395612
Alright. He shouldn't be there any more at the very least so why not start again?

Interestingly enough, Imperium's sensors can't catch a Coldstar according to Kauyon. One of the commanders under Shadowsuns uses that to his advantage to spy on Imperial ships.

>>44395703
Boils down to money really. If I still had my old army I'd give it a go but I don't have the funds to build one from scratch again.

>>44395785
And funnily enough, krak missiles can catch Coldstars in the game. And thats all that matters.

>>44395848

Funny enough. The same commander catches a missile with their arms later on. He discovers in horror that Imperium's missiles are people.

>>44395872
Only the stalker's

>>44394237
1 hammer per 5, the rest swords.

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>>44395486

>tfw the GW worker pops his head into the Wargaming side of the LGS I switched to
>"Oh hai anon still playing the Dread Mob I see, hows that working out for ya"
"Not to well but pretty fun"
>"You should stop in some time we are going to do a Forge world tournament in Febuary."
"Nah , I'm good."

Fuck that guy, he wouldnt let me play my forgeworld list in the GW tournaments and he fed the stigma against forgeworld the two games I got into the store.

He won in the long run, now I play DA and Crons

>>44395899

Hunter. The Stalker just uses a servitor to guide the shells. The Hunter uses the re-purposed brains of chapter serfs or initiates within each missile.

>>44395224
I think it's more about the psykers slow increase in actual power. Imean 3 editions ago they couldn't even choose what single power they actually had. Also the 'cheap commissar killing powerful named characters' was a story I read on the GW homepae back when it was good. I think it was Solar Macharius that got executed turn one because some scattershot killed a unit near him or something like that.

>>44395978
You shoulda stuck to your shootas.

>>44396042
Glorious human tech.

>>44395978
The fact that you let him win bugs me to no end.

>>44395224
The only LGS here is like that. A few tables but it's literally across the road from the local equivalent of sixth form/community college so it's always full of arrogant teen cunts playing M:tG and a few kids playing CoD and FIFA in the backroom where the PS3s and 4s are. The manager doesn't do shit about them because M:tG is the only thing that sells and they keep him afloat basically. That said he does have a few boards and welcomes people playing tabletop (though it may be a chore as the M:tG players may outright refuse to get up and make space and you can't say shit to them as they outnumber you 5-to-1).

I have played maybe 2 games there and go even less nowadays but I'm thinking of going back to observe some games when they do 40k and seeing if I can find a nice casual friendly guy to befriend and game with.

>>44396282
Or that he didn't fuck over the staff in that shop by alerting GW to their anti-forgeworld thing.

>>44396282

I hastilly choose orks just because I liked the Deff Dread model so much when I was new. None of the other ways of playing orks really called to me outside of dreadmob and the supplement one makes you take gorkanauts.

I like my Dark Angels Bike army way more.

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>>44395978
Don't worry friend, they are in somewhat decent hands now

>>44396356

I was told I could do that once I posted the whole episode here but choose to take the highroad as I had found a much better LGS that is a whole mile closer.

Is it bad idea to play 750 pt game with riptide wing? I dont sure they can play well, cuz its only 3 mediocre unit in whole list.

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>>44396478

>dem new faces

Good work senpai.

Do ya know how ya gonna paint em?

>>44396489
>no petty revenge
>no helping out gamesworkshop
>no helping out others in your situation
There's literally no downside to chucking an e-mail GWs way.

>>44396609

But its my word against his and I don't even have the army anymore.

>>44396573
Goffs, Bad Moons, and Deff skulls is the plan, but now I have to get paint again after such a long time

>>44396672

You took them off some otha git.

Gotta be Deffskulls all the way

>>44396633
All you need to say is that you were stopped from playing your army because the staff created an unease around FW rules to the point where you're unable to find games. Frame it as being a new player wondering if FW rules are actually allowed and say that you're put off buying FW stuff now. None of that is strictly wrong or unbelievable and you don't need to go into specifics.

>>44396686
Ya know I have no idea how people even paint Deff Skulls lol, other than blue

>>44396703

I probably should, the guy was a bit over the top.

>>44396771

Daily Reminder: Blue makes orks luckier

What's the GUOs stat line

>>44396825
pretty high, pretty high, very high, very high, very high, kinda low, okay, irrelevant

>>44396825
ws6 bs3 s6 t7 w6 i4 a5 ld9 sv-
Daemon of nurgle(daemon, hatred daemons of tzeentch, shrouded, slow and purposeful, defensive grenades)
Daemonic instability
Deep strike
Poisoned(4+)
Psyker mastery level 1 (generating powers from Biomancy and Plague)

Need any more details on it?

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>>44396771

Well, if it helps, here's some shots of my Deffskull Dread Mob. I found that having a splash of Green and a smattering of orange rust really helps to complement the blue.

>>44396930
Those look good, I'm never sure if it should be blue accents or primarily blue

>>44396916
No that's good. My brother, who's still figuring out power levels, is trying to gauge my Swarmlord by asking random units vs. It.

I'd have to say a properly kitted out GUO would out last Swarmy. I'd make it last forever by forcing him to hit on 5s with Proxysm.

>>44396930
While they are certainly painted well, aren't they a bit too clean for Orks?
Not that that's really a problem, I wish I could paint like that

>>44397024
All daemon units are pretty random.
With good rolling, even before buying wargear, that GUO can improve itself to S9 T10 4++ or instant death itself in it's shooting phase because it rolled a double 1.

>>44397024
Maybe I forget some kind of rule about daemonic instability, but wouldn't the Swarmloard just need 1 successful wound to kill it with Instant Death?

>>44397128
Correct, with the exclusion of psychic powers GUO has no way to get protection from ID.

>>44397128
>>44397151
GUO doesn't have eternal warrior!?

>>44397166
Nope, big daemons in general shit themselves when ID shows up as they have no protection from it.

>>44396796
Do it.

They'll apologise and if you're lucky, send emails to managers to stop it.

If you give the store name and if you can remember the dudes name, even better.

Pricks like him stop people from getting into the hobby by being elitest jerks, it's one of the reasons WHFB eventually failed.

GW wants new people into the hobby and what he did was r u d e !

>>44396633
>he thinks companies side with their employees
L
E
LEL
E
L

>>44397166
But Typhus has eternal warrior though IIRC

fucking weird as shit.

>>44397252
>>44397193

>>44397252
>>44397272
I think it's because all daemons used to have it standard (I think?) but then it was removed without some other way to get it on your 300 point monster.

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Found these beauties on ebay.

>>44397328
Call that person back you bastard.

>>44397328
Those are some nice Ork Loot.... OH GAWD

>>44397328
What the fuck is with the pentagram.

>>44397475
Must be some satanist app.

>>44397328
What the fuck are they supposed to be? Converted devastators?

>>44388136
I think you mean Tyranids.

>>44397567
Replying to a twelve hour old post?

Yeah, I was playing solitaire to pass the time personally.

No really I was. Hit a dead end.

>>44397567
Nah, they're the cosmic horror faction. They're infinite, we don't know where they come from, we can't stop them and they don't really have a reason beyond NOM NOM NOM

The IG, on the other hand, are little more then a number to show how big the conflict is and even for that we all know that unless the battle wipes out a SM chapter or two it's not really important and to write novel from the point of view of the average joe in a universe of gods

:^)

Question: in the new mont'ka book, the imperial guard armoured fist formation requires you to take a tank commanded... Now can that commander be upgraded to pass, assuming you having taken him in the battle group option. It doesn't explicitly say you can like the battle group command, but pask is bought like an upgrade to the tank commander just as any other upgrade... Thoughts?

>>44397193
To be fair everyone with multiple wounds fears instant death

>>44397674
I would say no unless it specifically says Pask can be taken. But then again I don't play IG.

>>44397667
Na, IG are like buddy character.
They're the first party member you get as their role is to provide someone for the protagonist to bounce off and express their thoughts to for the audience.
Sometimes they even get a whole sidequest devoted to them but usually they're dropped for better/more interesting party members, destined never to take the spotlight for long.

>>44397721
See I would agree but you buy a tank commander then upgrade him to pask as an option just like any other option..

>>44397674
Pask is an upgrade so yes you can take him.

>>44397712
Yeah but as one of the biggest and most expensive units (with no option to join a unit for meat-shields) with only a 5++ standard they're the most vulnerable to suddenly falling over and dying.

>>44397758
If it says it requires a tank commander, then I don't think you can replace that tank commander with anything.

>>44397779
Anon pls, the tank commander isnt being replaced, you are taking a tank commander AND THEN UPGRADING THE FUCKER INTO PASK! You need a tank commander to get pask, he isnt a different entry but an upgrade to a tank commander.

>>44397779
Pask is specifically an upgrade for a tank commander. I can't say for certain without an FAQ but I would assume he would count.

>>44397779
>>44397674
>>44397721
>>44397758
Pask is essentially wargear. He is good to go.

Should I be upset for losing against a space wolf team 7 times who brought long fangs, grey hunters, and a rune skold to a HoR kill team? I took 19 skitarii and then I also tried a tau list with drones, fire and pathfinders, and a crisis suit.

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>>44397814

>>44397758
Oh well then it's fine. Go for it.

>>44397814
You should be upset for losing 7 times no matter what you played against

>>44397328
Speaking of the drop pod harness, can you fit a marine in there? With the backpack or without?

>>44397774
I find that their t6 prevents that, small arms fire is usually what kills my keeper

how would my daemon list fare in a semi competetive meta? main enemy is sisters


Herald of Nurgle, fecundity, lvl 2 120 pts
Herald of Khorne, jugger, greater rew, 120 pts
Herald of Slaanesh, steed, lvl 2, 110 pts
Herald of Tzeentch, disc, lvl 3, exalted rew, 175 pts

11 pinks 99 pts
18 plague bearers, icon, 172 pts

15 hounds, 240 pts
6 screamers, 150 pts
10 seekers, icon, 130 pts

soul grinder, nugle, phlegm, 180 pts


around 1496 pts. icons can be taken away or given, being relaced with more daemons. herald of tzeench goes with screamers, nurgle with bearers (possibly summoned), khorne with hounds, slaaneah with seekers. i want my army to be very dynamic. my main enemy fields everything in immolators and exorcists with 5 sis per troops. do i have a chance? id like to keep 4 heralds, theyre supposed to represent the great game

>>44388862
Ghost ark can be rather unnerving as it can revive necron soldiers, carry them, jink and has Quantum shields and 4 HP

>>44391676
>one case an old ork trukk that has been repaired by with the wheels of a dwarf flame cannon on the side of it.

I need a picture of that.
If you change that, you are no ORK

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>>44398313

Does someone have that Bad Moons yellow picture guide from wip anon, my making a list of paints to buy

Wait, wasn't there suppose to be amazing 40% off deals on GW this weekend?

Or is it USA only? :(

>>44398281
Can you have 4 HQ's?

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>>44398436
>40% off
>GW

>>44398437
Pretty sure heralds are 2 per HQ slot.

>>44398454
Four actually.

>>44398436
I think you are referring to the army starter bundles that are up for pre-order in the upcoming white dwarf.

>>44398281
I would really get the exalted loci on the herald of slaanesh, it is pretty great. Drop some plaguebearers for it

>>44398448
Yes? You've not seen them?

I'm sorry you're not particularly into 40k and don't follow information, it's OK anon, we're all new sometimes.

$140 armies are going for $85 soon.

>>44398467
Yes, that's what I meant.

>>44398448
>What are Battleforces
>What is Betrayal at Calth

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>>44398448
>says he's wrong
>is literally, objectively, factually, wrong himself

Oh the pottery ironing.

>>44398554
>>44398467
These?

>>44398554
Theyre coming in Jan 9 so the pre-order would be next week.

>>44398281
Non daemons player here

You only have 5 squads which means you are at a big risk of getting out maneuvered and picked off. You can't be afraid to detach self sufficient models like the Juggernaut do go handle something by it self.

You'll also want to keep the Juggernaut in the vicinity of the Tzeentch Herald because I bet he's gonna try and blast him first.

>>44398580
>GW actually discounting something

Since when did Satan: The Company actually start caring about us.

>>44398616
>not getting the concept of sales
The first one is cheep, plastic crack in action.

>>44398616
Since Tom Kirby left. GW have tried to fix their image. Less C&D's (they're in a legal row with some Germanfag who says it's 100% legal for him to scan pictures of GW products and apply watermark and put on his website, he is also subsidised by the government and apparently is earning 1 million euroes or something a year, he told GW to fuck off when he got a C&D from them).

They're selling IP for video games when they rarely did in the past, they're letting fan projects through as long as they're not bullshit like gender swapping Space marines.

>>44398635
>cheep

Triggered.

But yeah, it's like the idea of crack, your dealers give you a couple of freebies until you're hooked, then you go back for more and more.

But in this case, 40% or so off. The Skiitari army is pretty insane. Duncrawler, 10 Rangers and a Magos for $85 instead of like $140.

Or £60 for £100 worth of models. I am going to try and resist....

>>44398635
Oh please anon, we here have understood the smart thing that GW needs to do for awhile.

It's was our friends in England who needed the memo. We wish GW was your typical money grubbing corporation, it would be a much better for us all.

>>44398437
yes, 4 heralds count as 1 HQ, so i could even take another hq, but my army is rather heavy on hq pointwise already (ill have to summon a few guys i suppose)>>44398437

>>44398547 i was considering the same, hm

>>44398599 true. i think ill have to summon a few guys because of this but looking at my warp charges, that should be doable i hope

>>44398580
Hold up, the Space Marine Battleforce is gonna get a 40% discount?

>>44398647
Wow I can't believe I am saying this but I am completely on GW's side on that one. That's a legal battle that's justified.

>>44398843
Looks like German copyright laws protect it though.

>>44398721
All we know is every bundle on that list will be between 27%-40% off.

The armies will all cost $85, you then have to work out how much you're saving by adding up contents individually.

As I said, Skiitari is

x1 Magos
x10 Rangers
x1 Dunecrawler

Which individually come to $140 or so. It'll be on sale for $85. So you save $55 or so.

>>44398843
Funny thing is, I read it on a 40k news website, spikybits I think, the guy who ran the site came up and started insulting the owner of spikybits and shit in comment section.

Fuck knows what will happen. The guy literally was bragging about making bank on scanning GW stuff and going "German law says I can".

>>44398647
So is Gee Dubya trying to turn things around?

>>44398864
Doesn't Germany have like a political pirate party or something? And didn't one of their members get butthurt when their book was pirated?

>>44398887
Germany has guys like Uwe Boll scamming them by bending their laws and turks out the arse. They're fucked.

>>44398843
I am too, but it wouldn't be such a problem if GW developed loyalty among their customers.

>>44398864
Does it? I'm not familiar with laws or anything in Germany, are they really protected if they slap a watermark on it?

The guy is making large sums of cash in ad revenue this way, but GW can't do shit about it? They sent a C&D and he told them to fuck off basically. So, what does this mean? If you could ignore the law of countries by having your server in another one, that means you can do literally anything. Doesn't Russia and Ukraine have lax laws on CP and shit, so you could essentially run the site in a .ru url and you'd be safe? I don't believe it.

I know CP =! copying/scanning shit, but it's an example of how laws in one country can be bypassed and ignored by going "it's legal in this one". This shit needs sorting.

>>44398881
If you split the Rangers and add some wargear, could you use that to get a close enough 500 point army?

First time trying a drop pod list, do I have nearly enough pods to make it work?

+++ 13th (1502pts) +++

++ Space Wolves: Codex (2014) (SW Company of the Great Wolf Detachment) ++

+ HQ +

Rune Priest [Psyker Mastery Level 2, Rune Stave, Warlord]
····Runic Armour [Bolt Pistol]

+ Elites +

Dreadnought [Blizzard Shield, Fenrisian Great Axe, Venerable Dreadnought]
····Drop Pod [Storm Bolter]

Iron Priest [Bolt Pistol, Thunderwolf]

+ Troops +

Grey Hunters
····Drop Pod [Storm Bolter]
····9x Grey Hunter [9x Bolt Pistol, 9x Bolter, 2x Meltagun]
····Wolf Guard Pack Leader [Combi Melta, Wolf Claw]

Grey Hunters
····Drop Pod [Storm Bolter]
····7x Grey Hunter [7x Bolt Pistol, 7x Bolter, Meltagun]
····Wolf Guard Terminator Pack Leader [Combi Melta, Power Fist]

+ Fast Attack +

Thunderwolf Cavalry [Thunderwolf Cavalry, Thunderwolf Cavalry]
····Thunderwolf Cavalry [Storm Shield]
····Thunderwolf Cavalry [Storm Shield, Thunder Hammer]
····Thunderwolf Cavalry Pack Leader [Storm Shield]

+ Heavy Support +

Long Fangs [4x Long Fang w/ Missile Launcher]
····Long Fang Ancient [Bolt Pistol, Chainsword]

++ Space Wolves: Codex (2014) (Formation Detachment) ++

+ Formation +

"Wolf Guard Void Claws"
····Wolf Guard Terminators [Cyclone Missile Launcher, WG Terminator Leader w/ Pair of Wolf Claws, 4x WG Terminator w/ Pair of Wolf Claws]

Created with BattleScribe (http://www.battlescribe.net)

>>44398885
GW has been making profits for a long time, yeah, not amazing profits, I think their best profit year was when Blood Angels came out as a proper army, but they're trying.

Like WHFB, they really tried to save it, but it failed and now AoS is bringing in new blood and hopefully they'll stick in the hobby and get into 40k. I also hope a 2nd Edition rulebook will include points at some point for AoS.

GW is trying to turn shit around, be more friendly, not this autistic legal team spamming pricks like they were under Kirby. If the investors reports are to be believe, GW is going long-term with AoS, but nothing major about 40k was mentioned.

Plus the new video games.

But mainly? They're bringing back all the specialist games of note (like Necromunda, BFG, Mordheim, Blood Bowl etc) but I don't expect to see Warhammer Historicals back, not that many people in here will know what I'm on about.

>>44398953
GW had economic issues leading up to the firing of Kirby.

>>44398944
Please learn to format a list properly.
Also, why are you 2 points over?

>>44398972
He was fired? I thought he just left.

Why was he fired?

>>44398953
>but I don't expect to see Warhammer Historicals back, not that many people in here will know what I'm on about.
They were too precious for this world.

>>44398881
I heard it through the grapevine that each army will come with a formation.

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>>44397979
Thanks. Half the games I didn't even kill anyone. One game I rolled 48 ones, and blew all my plasma up, and the last game I lost to routing. I dont know anymore.

>>44398992
Yeah, he left like a coach of a prominent NFL organization "leaves" after multiple losing seasons.

>>44398972
>>44398992
You know he's still on the board of directors, right?

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Are there any skitarii/Cult Mechanicus painters like the Space Marine online painter, or the Sororitas one, etc.?

>>44398944
Long fangs are kinda shitty on their own, youre better off getting a second unit if you take them at all.

>>44398980
Theres nothing wrong with his formatting, its battlescribe.

>>44399032
>>44399036
Yeah but why isn't he top dog anymore? What did he do wrong exactly?

>>44399036
Isn't he non-executive chairman now?

>>44399094
>Theres nothing wrong with his formatting, its battlescribe.
These are two contradictory statements.

>>44399094
>Theres nothing wrong
>its battlescribe

>>44399098
>What did he do wrong exactly?
Sixth Edition.

>>44399103
Oxymoron is a better term.

>>44399036
That happens a lot. He can't do as much damage as a Board of Directors than as a CEO.

He might be a smashing advisor and does well as a Board of Director, but he was a fucking terrible CEO that damaged the company.

>>44399098
Why we've recorded his idiocy here: https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Games_Workshop

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Speaking of GW financial matters, I found this on their investor's website.

>>44398953
I sent GW an email saying how proud I was to support them when they have done all this cool shit for us lately, and I got a really heartfelt reply about how they don't get positive feedback often and really appreciated it

It made my heart grow 3x

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>>44399237
Daaawwwwww

Post it?

>>44399237
Everyone should do this. We give them a lot of negative feedback, we should be damn sure to give then positive feedback when they do something correct.

>>44397475
penta-gram=5

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>>44399282
1

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>>44399323
2

>>44399297
Sort of a positive reinforcement type thing?

>>44399337
Now rate the reply Not Good.

>>44399337
DDDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWW

You are a good guy Jon.

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>>44399237
>>44399297
Get out of here GW, stop trying to trick us into writing letters to show to your investors. You want good reviews and letters? Rework the god damn game so that players can't win automatically by bringing X, Y, or Z In A, B, or C formation. Put a Knight up to a wraithknight and see just how well eachother stacks up in terms of cost, points, str, i, etc...

>>44399403
One step at a time anon.

>>44399403
We aren't from the "gamesworkshop" bro, we also buy from china men. Could someone link me to his website and address so I can order some more?

>>44399403
Just telling them what they're doing wrong won't help if they don't know what they're doing right. Telling them both let's them gauge people's feelings on various units and rules and make more informed decisions rather than just changing things and hoping it stops the complaints.

>>44399403
I didn't hear you, could you say that again Mr. Scrooge?