Pathfinder General /pfg/

No edition edition?

>>44366505
What in the hell is that thing?

>>44366518
The Spirit of Paizo's New Year.

Edgenigger paladin falls edition.

Hello everyone! I am posting this again because I am a terrible person. I apologize for any inconvenience. Ok so I've just finished reading through some of the Iron Gods stuff along with some Reign of Winter stuff.

The books seem to be structured as the following:
>Adventure
>Stated Towns
>NPCs
>Bestiary
>Items
>Lore Piece
>Fiction Piece

Or the general trend being something related to this. Along with some adventure paths having unique rules specific to that. Jade Regent with Caravan, Iron Gods with Technology, etc. I do not think my AP needs any custom rules except perhaps more detailed rules for cold environments, but honestly I don't think they are that important.

As for the Character Guide what they mainly seem to discuss is each Race's place in the AP, each Class's place, appropriate bloodlines/familiar/animal companions/favored terrain, where you came from to make it to this point, custom races/classes, and general tips. Mine my be a bit longer as it must explain a good deal of lore for the Steaming Sea. Custom races here would be the following, a elf/orc hybrid, a gnome/dwarf hybrid, human/elf/orc composit, a goblin/hobgoblin hybrid, and possibly a bugbear/hobgoblin hybrid. Essentially there would hybrids of those races who could interbreed.

Am I missing anything? I feel like I am getting less work done than I should, but christmas is eating up time

>>44366527
>Metagaming lawful stupid paladin falls

ftfy

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>>44366505
Abbadon edition!

Reminder that the moment New Years' is over, you have the entire month of January and half of February of bleak, dreary winter before Valentines' day.

Why not just let the cold in and be done with it?

Do not smite cute demons.

>>44366552
>bleak, dreary winter
>tfw I live in a human part of the globe
>tfw subhumans cry about winter being cold
>tfw subtropical seventy-degree temperatures

Feels good, man.

FAT AEON TATS

Cleric of Iomedae, an associate of Arueshalae-killer paladin here. I talked to the GM. He said that he has an idea how to handle the whole affair and refused to elaborate. He's actually decent, I think he'll manage. The next session is tomorrow. Should I post what happened when it happens?

/pfg/, what's the best archetype for a spell-less Ranger? (inb4 "one that doesn't replace casting") My friend's joining our Jade Regent game, and he's looking to just do a simple archery ranger. DSP is allowed, but we're trying to keep things simple for now.

>>44366607
Of course you should.

>>44366613
One that gives you initiating.

>>44366552
Which Harbringer is best?

>>44366613
Trapper? The traps are more advanced than the normal ones, but they're still not great. It's an option though.

>>44366613
Do you want to be a Ranger or just to shoot a bow? If the latter, go figher (archer). If the former, >>44366621.

>>44366613
Slayer by far.

>>44366607
If nothing else, we'll all have some closure on this - and closure is the first step to healing.

>>44366621
>>44366637
>>44366638
>>44366647

His concept is that he's a fur trader who's looking to start a trading company of his own, so we were looking towards Ranger to give him the outdoorsy aspects he wanted for concept. We were thinking Trapper, but I was just wondering if there was anything better. Between all the other options, I haven't actually looked at rangers since the first archetype that gave up casting, and was, if I remember, really bad.

>>44366635
Folca of course. All the lolis and lollis.

>>44366718
That sounds like it could be any mundane, with a Trait for getting Survival in-class if it's not.

>>44366635
>sticking with Harbingers
>not just going all the way to Charon

The Boatman is a pretty cool guy. Knows how to play the long game, only original Horseman to keep his position up to the present day, probably has a contingency plan for if Papa Oino ever wakes up and everything.

>>44366607
You will anyway, why bother asking.

You know you are getting a christmas themed rebirth or some shit.

I am tired of these motherfucking Demons on this motherfucking plane. They are on my purge list after I researching the spell to exile all dragons

>>44366779
>exiling Mengkare
>exiling all the Pseudodragons of Korvosa
>exiling Terendelev
>exiling Gunnarex
>exiling Astarathian

300% Chaotic Evil.

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>worshiping any daemon but Szuriel

O Szuriel, I acknowledge you as the Great Destroyer of the Universe.
All that has been created you will corrupt and destroy. Exercise upon me all your rights.

I spit on redemption and to it I shall renounce.
My life is yours Lord, let me be your herald and executioner.
My actions shall lead other hearts away from salvation.
All shall acknowledge Your sacred royalty and crawl in terrified devotion.

>>44366319
>To get the thread back on the rails: Post best tits in Pathfinder.

Shelyn has, objectively, the best tits in Pathfinder since they're always the exact vision of the perfect boob to the one beholding it. Theoretically, a PC with the Touched by Divinity trait from WotR would have the best breasts in Pathfinder if their mother was Shelyn.

As for NPCs, it's a toss-up between Shayliss Vinder from RotRL (redhead with large perky tits), Serethet from Mummy's Mask (brown-girl with huge tits), and Arueshalae from Wrath of the Righteous (redeemed Succubus that ranges from very average to mega melons.)

>>44366817
>Not killing Mengkare

pls

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>>44366844
Your impatience will be your downfall. You gotta learn to play the long game. When time itself is on your side, why go to the trouble of slaughtering populations? No - that just makes the forces of preservation work that much harder to hold back the tide.

Just let them see for themselves how pointless everything is - that's how you get a universe to fall. But they have to realize for themselves that it's going to happen no matter what they do.

>>44366844
>Playing a Szuriel worshipping character who also payed lip service (and sacrifices) to the other horsemen
>LG character in the party falls to LN for working with a Devil
>Sit there with a poker face whilst people are discussing how wrong it is to work with fiends and how he should be ashamed of himself
At the very least i was able to truthfully say i hated Devils. Unfortunately our more zealous members of the party had good sense motive and slowly began to suspect me.

>>44366934
>working with a devil

Why would this make the Paladin fall? Allying with evil is perfectly legit if to defeat a greater evil.

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>>44366929
So it begins - the great reckoning of our times.

Alright anons. Taking into consideration which alignment would be the closest approximation to yourself, which associated outsider would you like to be?

I myself would probably be a Hound or Stag Archon.

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>>44366899
>Serethet from Mummy's Mask (brown-girl with huge tits)
Even if she doesn't have best tits, she's got them hips

>>44366959
What Paladin? What greater evil?
The Devil repeatedly tempted him and he'd been acting rather neutral and tolerant of both the devil and evil in general lately, so when he asked the Devil for help he shifted alignment.

>>44366966
Inevitables are cool as fuck.

>>44366989

For what it's worth, she's tied for the best human tits in the setting.

Telandia Edasseril has some of the best hips, which is incredible since she's an Elf.

>>44366959
Not immediately, but it would require the Paladin to regularly atone.

>>44366966
>not cruel enough to be Evil, not active enough to be Good, not willful enough to be Chaotic, not reasonable enough to be Lawful

Looks like it's either Aeons or Psychopomps for me - except I also don't actually care much about the balance of the multiverse, or life and death, or - well.

Anything, really.

Is it better to know you don't care and regret it, or to not know you don't care and keep acting like you do?

>>44366966
>what I would most likely be
Naunet Protean
>what I would like to be
a Keketar or Pleroma

>>44366966
NOSOI NOSOI NOSOI NOSOI

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>>44367014
Oh damn, those are some hips alright

>>44367023
Anon, from the quasielemental plane of depression.

>>44367023
That kind of thinking drags your soul straight to Abbadon, NE or not.

Enjoy your souleating.

>>44367002

Lack of context, thought he was a Paladin, and as mentioned, allying with fiends isn't particularly a bad idea, and allying with Devils is by far the best idea as you know they'll keep their word. Everyone knows even the good gods are willing to ally with Asmodeus.

In Shattered Star our party encountered a small group of devils and as the devils feared were rather weak we got a great deal from a position of leverage to recruit them into aiding us and the Society in investigating and studying the ruins, in exchange for not sending them all back by way of the sword. They have been extremely helpful months later still.

Obviously though if the PC was pushing this quite a bit further, then yea I could see the alignment shift, but as mentioned, allying with fiends can often be a great deal if it fulfills your goals.

>>44367122
Welp.

I'd like to say I'm surprised, but that'd be lying through my teeth.

>>44366966
I suppose I'm CN. I'd like to think of myself as CE, but often guilt and morality holds me back and i try to do things in a way that won't cause as much trouble for others. So whilst I'm very much anti-authority, more of a spontaneous person than an orderly one and all that, I don't think I'm really evil or good despite being rather selfish.

I would like to be a Marid.

>Proteans only have 4̶ 3 species
>they don't even have a CR 20 variant

>>44367166
>blah blah blah edgelord

>>44367144
It wasn't a bad idea, it was just the big wind that knocked over something on foundations he had chipped away.

He never fell all the way to evil, he did however truly embrace neutrality, often staying out of fights if he could see his opponent's point of view.

Also he didn't accept a contract or a promise from the devil, it offered "a show of its power" to entice him into possibly making such a deal. The result was deeper darkness followed by dragging away a series of hobgoblins presumably to hell. Whilst my character despised devils, i was literally going into the souldrinker prestige class so he certainly (privately) understood the motivations of the LN party member.

I wants to create a generalist character because I don't know what my party composition will be.

Should I go with Druid or Shaman?

>>44367204
Alchemist is also a decent option, and they can use metal.

>>44367204
Inquisitor. Or Bard with an archetype that makes its Inspire Courage replacement stackable with regular Inspire Courage (like Archivist).

>>44367204
Wizard.

>>44367201
I guess so. Well i better start watching MTV, get piercings and spend all my money on anti-corporate shirts designed by large corporations.

>>44366613
Be a Slayer

>>44367213
Or Investigator, that's another do-everything.

>>44366966
I'm an edgy anti-natalist, so i guess some flavor of Daemon.

>>44366718

This is 100% Slayer, grab "Know the Land" as a trait and you've become a spell-less Ranger.

Hell, Studied Target and Sneak Attack emphasize the "one shot, one kill" attitude of a hunter far more than a Ranger's favored target.

>>44367235
Can't heal in early level (before your party can afford wand of CLW). At least not without getting PALADIN ANGRY PALADIN SMITE.

Shaman can steals Wizard spell anyway.

>>44367211
>>44367213
>>44367252
I would go with those if I knew for sure that someone else will be playing fullcaster... I had a feeling that everyone else will be martials/gish though...

>>44367286
But anon, if I want to be a woodsman I HAVE to be a ranger.
Slayer is a better hunter than fucking hunters

What IS the difference between a Ranger and a Hunter thematically aside from Favored Enemies

>>44367202

Describe your Szuriel worshiping character? How did they behave?

>>44367371
A bigger magic cock.

>>44367371
>What IS the difference between a Ranger and a Hunter thematically aside from Favored Enemies

A Ranger is a shepherd of the forest, if Druids are Clerics of Nature than a Ranger is the Paladin.

A Hunter is just a normal fuck that acquires some nature magic by being really good at hunting.

>>44367394
A ranger can't fall. They can use metal(which is bad for the environment for some reason?) and can give no fucks about nature.

>>44367394
Hunters are more like the Warpriest of the nature classes. A more martially focused version of the Druid, but overall pointless and redundant due to thier Caster cousin being just as good if not better at thier job.

>>44367430
Druid can use metal weapons fine though. It's only metal armor that they can't wear.

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What feats are necessary for someone who wants to use a Tonfa? Particularly if I want to be an Oath of Loyalty Paladin who plans on getting his hands on a Tonfa with a Shocking Weapon enchant who is adventuring to hunt down traitors.

>>44367457
That makes even less sense.

Pardon my ignorance, but is that some kind of legacy thing?

>>44367505
Get a greatclub or earthbreaker and fluff it as as huge ass nightstick.

>>44367505
>What feats are necessary for someone who wants to use a Tonfa?

None, actually.

They're martial weapons so any frontline trooper (a stormtrooper, as it were) would know how to use it.

Be sure to put points into Intimidation to humiliate TRAITORS.

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>>44367537
Would Outslug style work well with it, since its a Close Weapon?

>>44367570

Absolutely, use the Tonfa with Outslug and smack some retribution into the rebel scum.

I'd suggest playing a Brawler though.

>>44367518
Dunno.. Probably don't wants people transforming into Fullplate Dinosaur or something?

>>44367598
What about a single dip in Unchained Monk for thier fixed Flurry? Or would two level dip in Brawler be better?

Also don't worry, traitor scum will be rightfully smacked.

>>44367505
Is this a trick question?

Exotic Weapon Proficiency : Tonfa

Maybe Bludgeoner > Enforcer if you are into that kinda thing.

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>>44367518
Iron is deadly to fey creatures, and whatever supernatural forces a druid get his power from. This weakness affects how they use their supernatural and magical abilities.

There is a difference in holding a piece of it in your hand, like a scimitar, and covering your body in it, like a breastplate.

>>44367733
Tonfa are martial weapons.
Mainly because they can also be used for billy-clubs.

>>44367686
you can if you worship gorum

>>44367762
That's still pretty goddamn stupid.

Iron is apart of earth, so why are earth/cave druids restricted?

Fey creatures are only allergic to a specific type of iron(even though irl Cold Iron was just normal iron) because some retards thought DR was a good mechanic. And Fey have fuck all to do with Druids. They're just edgy midgets from some alternate dimension.

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>>44367825
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_in_folklore#Cold_iron
>"Cold iron" is historically believed to repel, contain, or harm ghosts, fairies, witches, and/or other malevolent supernatural creatures.

Or, you can read:

>https://books.google.com/books?id=UViEbWQOSd0C&pg=PA67&lpg=PA67&dq=celtic+traditions+iron+magic&source=bl&ots=kgVsnjBzNG&sig=l1sw04_u_WX9ybKctS_1CW5io84&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjut8nIg_bJAhUBOiYKHRpeDXAQ6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=celtic%20traditions%20iron%20magic&f=false

>>44367825
Weirder stuff is that you can equipped your Animal Companion (the represenation of your Bond with Nature) with metal barding.

>>44367925
>Cold iron is a poetic and archaic term for iron.
It's normal fucking Iron. The only reason its a separate thing is to shit on martials in pathfinder.

>>44367925
It looks like that minotaur has a handle up the elf's ass

>>44367953

Glad I'm not the only one who saw it.

>>44367953
>implying the elf isn't the other end of the weapon
>implying the elf isn't just a very well crafted decoy
It's the perfect plan
>foolish Orcs and Humans try to get hanky panky with the elf end, then you slash em whilst their distracted and helpless.

Can Sapling Treant companion talk? Treant can talk so after a rank in linguistic a Sapling Treant should be able to talk too right?

Also can you cast Animal Growth onto Plant Companion? I should be able to due to Share Spell, but I'm not sure.

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Touched by Divinity (Tiamat)?

Holy shit mithral current is cool as fuck. I'm totally going to play as a bushi warlord now. What else do I throw in there for maximum weeaboo?

Veiled Moon for teleports? Elemental Flux for, well, elemental shit? Riven Hourglass for the obvious?

>>44368041

I'd argue the avatar is closer to Apsu than Tiamat.

Primarily due to their personalities, but also because if anything a child of Tiamat would be closer to a Lizardfolk than human.

>>44368097
Well, Kamui was conceived of an Evil Dragon-God though.

>>44368082
>What else do I throw in there for maximum weeaboo?

>Mithral Current
>Primal Fury
>Scarlet Throne

Congratulations, you are now Sir Alonne.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztPGThfD_GY

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>>44368116

>>44367953
>>44367960
>>44367975
I found his gallery. It doesn't get much safer.

>http://eudetenis.tumblr.com/

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>>44368116

>Sir Alonne

Wouldn't he be better made as a Zweihander Sentinel?

>>44368116
>Not being a Harbinger with:

>Primal Fury
>Cursed Razor
>Black Seraph

Do you even Artorias?

Post music that would fit in campaign in one of the planes or a planar location.

>>44366538
Bugbear/hobgoblin? What would that look like?

>>44368281
>tfw riven hourglass/cursed razor/shattered mirror

>>44368223
For a man that's literally also a horse, the guy in that picture has a tiny dick.

>>44368281
>not being fiendbound marauder warder
Do you even nightmare?

>>44368112
> Spoiling a video game on unrelated general in unrelated board

/feg/ denizen are the worst.

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>>44368116
>>44368281

>tfw I just realized Dark Souls boss attacks are just maneuvers

Every single one, hell off the top of my head I can see the Burnt Ivory King as a Warlord with Elemental Flux, Primal Fury, Scarlet Throne (using the Scarlet Throne Style) and Mithral Current.

>>44368297

For a celestial plane.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpMNXEY_tio

Lustmord - Heresy is the quintessential for fiendish planes

>>44368324
>spoiling
It's literally revealed in the first ten minutes.

Also, the game has been out for 6 months.

>>44368336
As it turns out, path of war is pretty damn good at replicating "dude who swings sword really cool"

>>44368324
Anyone who has been following the game already knew that.
>actually buying this censored piece of shit

>>44368297
https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=dZDiaRZy0Ak
This would go well when you're exploring and floating alone in Limbo/The Maelstrom.

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>>44368342

I just think it's strange how easy it would be to stat out a boss character like Fume Knight or The Pursuer when they should technically require an assload of on-the-spot homebrew.

>>44368116

You think Sir Alonne's Theme is anything special? They've already released the theme for a boss in Dark Souls III

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3xQga-2LX4

Get fucking hyped.

>>44366914
>anally pained reject not allowed to join the Endeavour detected

>>44367056
You think there's a gap?

>>44368340
>>44368349
> 6 months
> Not counts as spoiling

This is why no one like you guys. Please go back to board.

>>44368459
Dude, if Star Wars or Fallout had been out for 6 months, nobody would give a shit about spoilers.

I don't even post in /feg/. Also, the avatar's 'canon' name is Kamui, and they can turn into a fucking Dragon.

It's in the goddamn name.

>>44368116
anons where do I find this mithral current discipline

>>44368555
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?444869-Dreamscarred-Press-Path-of-War-Expanded!-%29

>>44368500
Back to your containment cell now.

>>44366538
I don't really get it. Are hybrids that important?

Let's say I want to throw a giant robot at my player, an arcanist. Would it be better to have him fight with an unempowered version a la Sakit from La-Mulana, or to give him his own giant robot like the Gah-Goojin from The Wonderful 101?

Which giant robot rules would you recommend for the latter?

Here's a question:

One of my players wants to play an expert dungeoneer, by which I mean something like an Investigator variant that focuses more on trap-breaking, quick reflexes and navigation through unfamiliar territory, in the spirit of sources like Cube, The Maze Runner and the like. Any suggestions on what he should play or, alternately, how I should design such a variant?

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>Level 14
>Tristalt (yes, you heard me, gestalt+1)
>30 PB, 1:1 ratio
>I can go for ANYTHING in the pfsrd.

I don't know what the fuck's going on anymore.

>>44368692
I simply think it's a fun option to include when species can interbreed. It's thematically appropriate to have composite. And you know if goblinoids would breed at the drop of a hat, they're damn prolific.

>>44368794
That might be too powerful, just a bit too much. The character would be a thematic slurry.

I want to make a ninja-like character that uses path of war for things like black seraph and veiled moon maneuvers but not quite sure how to go about it. Help?

>>44368849
>That might be too powerful, just a bit too much.

Nigga it's a Planescape campaign where you're one of the most reliable mercenaries in the Multiverse, where the ultimate goal of the campaign is to become a god with your own domain and everything.

>>44368859
Stalker into Umbral Blade?

>>44368859
Also stuff from expanded is allowed as well. Starting away level 5

>>44368873
I mean, if that's your thing more power to you. It's just a tad too rich for my blood.

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>>44368794
H-how? Does the DM even realize the can of worms he opening? Is there any way someone can be conceivably prepared for this? What would the character build philosophy even be? Are you guys fighting Gods? What even is the party number and make up so far?

>>44368859
Literally stalker class. It is meant to be the go to Rogue/Ninja class for PoW.

>>44368794
Even though he's changed the PB to be 1:1, he's still having you guys start with each stat at 10, r-right?

>>44368906
>H-how? Does the DM even realize the can of worms he opening? Is there any way someone can be conceivably prepared for this? What would the character build philosophy even be? Are you guys fighting Gods? What even is the party number and make up so far?

>What would the character build philosophy even be?

Build what you will, since it's almost impossible to fuck up. The guy's even giving us a feat every level.

>Are you guys fighting Gods

Yes, actually. The setting is Planescape, we start in Sigil, and the focus of the campaign is working top contracts for the powers of the Multiverse before eventually becoming a power yourself.

>What even is the party number and make-up so far?

Only two others, and I don't know what they're building.

>>44368954
>he's still having you guys start with each stat at 10, r-right?

Yes, every stat starts at 10, and it's technically 33 PB with the 4-8-12 +1s.

We're also allowed to modify base classes up to 20 RP.

>>44366392
Isn't that one of the class features of the Master Spy prestige class? Appearing to be of a different alignment even for the purpose of being affected by alignment-based attacks?
Which Arueshalae happens to have six levels in?
I'm not saying she's actually evil since obviously she's not, but it's not like that kinda thing is impossible to fake.

>>44368966
I mean, have you ever thought that perhaps too many ingredients may dilute the flavor? I am unsure of the more is better philosophy.

What's your character thus far?

>>44368999
Smite evil doesn't get fooled by it.

>>44368999
>Which Arueshalae happens to have six levels in?

I've got a feeling she's using that ability to appear Chaotic Evil to other demons.

>>44368966
Okay, obviously you have two build options to go for.

Either 1 active class and two passive classes, or two active classes and one passive class.

This will depend on what you want your character to be a God of, and what his ideas and story will be.

My suggestion, pick 3 basic themes you plan on being your portfolio, and select 1 class for each portfolio theme.

Oh, and if you plan on being a Blacksmith God, you absolutely MUST choose Artisan as one of your classes.

>>44369023
Oh, you're right, the ability only mention spells and magic items. Odd. Never mind then.

>>44369078
Smite Evil is impossible to fool to my knowledge.

>>44369099
There's an armor enchantment in Agents of Evil called Deceiving which actually does fool Smite Evil, but that came out like 8 days ago.

>>44369099
You'd think there'd be something, but I can't think of anything either. Khorramzadeh has a resist smite thing, but that's more of an obvious defense since it can cause the smite to backlash. Not like he's pretending anything anyway.

>>44369099
Insinuator Anitpaladin invoking a TN or LN Outsider can fool it.

>>44368906
>>44368890
So should I just max dex (not sure how), and use stances that increase damage? I want to get that killer feel and leave the stealthing to veiled moon. I assume from expanded I want riven hourglass

>>44369178
I mean that came out like 8 days ago. I'm not up to date on Paizo releases.

>>44368691
no

>>44369058
She does, it's mentioned somewhere that she used it to hide her true alignment and thoughts while working against the demons, until she was discovered when she slipped up, was caught, and imprisoned. Then broke out and fled to the abandoned temple where you find her.

>>44369280
Why did they imprison her when they could kill her? I mean, they are demons after all.

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>>44367505
A close weapon hm?
If you're not deadset on a Paladin, Brawlers scale the damage close weapons.

In terms of feats you can't go wrong with Weapon Focus: Tonfa. If your going for Dex build, Weapon Finesse works because it's a light weapon. Power attack is also nice. If your going for the in-lore riot trooper, you should look into shield feats as well.

>>44369323
Demons Don't think very far ahead.

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>>44368966
Stalker, but swap either Tempest Gale or Solar Wind for Black Seraph. You do not need two ranged disciplines.
Cleric, with Travel and Trickery as domains.

You will still need a third class to raise your BAB and HD. With strikes and stalker talents, you action economy will be too taxed for spellcasting during battle. It will also take too long to keep track of all your possible actions during battle.

You may as well take Myrmidon or some other Fighter archetype for the bonus feats, BAB, and HD. A Barbarian or Warder doesn't give you much more things your character would use.

Pic semi related.

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>>44369070

>My suggestion, pick 3 basic themes you plan on being your portfolio, and select 1 class for each portfolio theme.

What would I pick if I wanted to go for something like the Ivory King?

In other words, a chaos fighting knight-turned-king that has pretty much every virtue sought from an Arthurian Knight?

>Paladin/Warder/Bard?

>>44369323
I think the plan was to re-corrupt her, but that fell through when she ran.

>>44369328
>In terms of feats you can't go wrong with Weapon Focus
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuggggggggggghhhhh

Cacodaemons are cute!

>>44369490
>My familiar can't possibly be this cute!

>>44369323
To keep her from redemption.

>>44369390
I'd say go Bushi Warlord instead of Warder for both being a leader and having lazer sord.

You could stay Bard, however I think you can get the most bang for your buck with either Sorcerer, Oracle, or some other Cha based full Caster or equivalent thereof.

For your Paladin Divine Bond, I suggest going for the Mount option.

>>44369530
>Masta-Sama!
>What are we gonna do today?

>>44369571
>You could stay Bard, however I think you can get the most bang for your buck with either Sorcerer, Oracle, or some other Cha based full Caster or equivalent thereof.

Or he could always take Leadership and get an Oracle as his cohort, much like Alsanna with the Ivory King.

So...


anything in Pathfinder similar to this prestige class from D&D?

http://dndtools.pw/classes/walker-in-the-waste/

Trying to find a 3.5 game is turning into hell every GM i find is a fucking grognard who has the GM vs Players mentality or just disappears

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>>44368966
>The guy's even giving us a feat every level.

>Warder/Fighter as a Human
>26 feats at level 14

Jesus Christ.

>>44369718
>Warpriest/Fighter/Warlord
So many feats

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>>44369390

LG Zweihander sentinel/Scarred witch doctor/(Vivisectionist Alchemist, investigator, or slayer). Covers almost every single base there could be, only reliant on three stats (Constitution, Intelligence, and combat stat of preference.) and almost no redundant features.

Have your patron be an Empyreal lord, and work outside your bickering church's petty squabbles and hierarchies to bring the true message of your patron unhindered? If you're using Pathfinder lore, I recommend Vildeis for maximum RIGHTEOUS VIOLENCE.

>>44369590
The same thing we do every day, Killzy, try to exsanguinate the world!

>>44368794
...I want to be in that game, holy shit

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>>44369908
Can you imagine how long combat is going to take when everyone is trying to choose between the actions of 3 classes?

And there's going to be people who don't wait until the start of that night's session to do the character advancement stuff because they leveled up the previous session.

Hi /pfg/, I need advice with Pact Magic occultist. The guide, that which called Pacting in Pathfinder, helped, but I'm not sure how to build and what to rely on, there is so many options. I think I'll go melee/support. The party is all martials, one is an initiator, and there is an antipaladin who doesn't know shit about his spells and never uses them for some reason. So, what do I do?

>>44369954
f-fuck you anon

touhoufag's probably running it anyway. I'll keep telling myself that...

>>44369960
focus on magic instead, sounds like.

>>44369954
>Can you imagine how long combat is going to take when everyone is trying to choose between the actions of 3 classes?

You'd be surprised, if it's a party of three and you take classes for the passive abilities, combat could go really quick.

>>44369777
That's funny, I always thought this person was a fallen empyreal lord.

But then I actually read it and this thing is LG. Guess she's Ragathiel's gf or something.

>>44370003
There are a lot of retarded Empyreal Lords.

Not all of them can be like Based Dammerich, God of you gonna carry that weight.

What kinds of ideas for reforming fiends do you have?

>>44370113
Musical numbers

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>>44370113

>>44370113
A Suspirodaemon bard who's trying to find a way to breath clearly so he can become a singer.

>>44370113
Why bother? It doesn't really matter if they want to be good or not, does it? One way or another, once you're down there... they have ways of dragging you back down. Even the goodiest of two-shoes who never had to ascend from Fiend status in the first place can run into an evil Outsider of a higher CR.

Truth be told? It's not a matter of IF they're going to win, but WHEN. Soon enough there'll be miniature Worldwounds opening up right under our houses.

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>>44370143

>>44370173
>you will finally have a temerdaemon waifu

>>44370025
I really wish Empyreal Lord gives out Inquisition...

>>44370113
Vegetarian Astradaemon
Librarian Nalfeshnee
Cuddly doglike Shamhazian
Waifu bodyguard Erinyes
Priest Apostate Devil

>>44368966
Any space for another person in the group?

>>44370113
You should help them learn to focus thier natural skills towards a more positive and constructive use of thier abilities, and teach them the pointlessness of thier former self-destructive life definition

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>>44370181

So anons, some time ago we were talking about homebrew Daemons and someone mentioned "Umbiladaemons". How would we go about making and starting them?
If you want to know more, just type in the name in 4plebs.

If a wizard or cleric were to beast shape into a magical beast with actual spellcasting abilities (not spell-like, which do not have v/s/m components) like a kirin or aranea for example
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/magical-beasts/kirin
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/magical-beasts/aranea
does that mean that they retain their spellcasting abilities while in that shape?

Asking because I'm interested in trying out a lunar oracle but the 1x day hour/level long beast shape doesnt seem to be worth much if I'm unable to cast my spells.

>>44370405
Do you plan on using them in a campaign?
If so, your players are in for a treat.

>>44370469
Mostly I wanted to get this thing made because my friends and I have been on a Bloodborne kick, and that kind of Daemon seems perfect for it.

How would Druid who worship Torag act?
I wants to smack people with Blessed Hammer.

>>44370558
Diggy diggy hole

>>44370551
Nice.

I don't know much about making monsters, but I would definitely recommend something like cure wounds or something similar (depending on the CR) as an at will spell-like, with bigger healing for 3/day and 1/day.

>>44370595
Actually, judging from the description, I would guess they would have something more like Channel.

>>44370405
>>44370595
>>44370610
First, let's overview powers.
>healing
>creating powerful daemons by doing soul shit then erupting their stomachs
>creating weaker demons by doing soul shit then giving birth to them
>a set of weaker spell like abilities like most daemons

>>44370564
God, that must be years old

So is there no artificer in Pathfinder? That is core anyway?

What class would be best for creating magic items anyway... wizard?

>>44370790
Most likely, but anyone can craft magic items, it only takes a feat or two at most. And a shitton of gold.

I heard DSP has a class focused on crafting though, not sure what it is.

>>44370811
DSP has the Forgelord PrC, with 5 levels (You also get base class progression at 2, 3, 4) whose main thing is item attunement, basically making your own crafted items stronger.

>>44370790
The maker of Spheres of Power has the artisan class, which is pretty crafting focused.

>>44370811
Your close, its DDS that has the Crafting class. It's the Artisan and its on the SRD.

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>>44370790
No 1st party Artificer, but there is:

Wizard
Sorcerer with the Impossible bloodline
Forgepriest (Warpriest archetype)

Artificer (Adamant Entertainment)
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/3rd-party-classes/adamant-entertainment/artificer

Wilder (Dreamscarred Press) with Artificer's Surge
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/psionics-unleashed/classes/wilder

Mindwright (Psion archetype)
>http://www.d20pfsrd.com/psionics-unleashed/classes/psion/archetypes/dreamscarred-press/mindwright

>>44370790
Also, one of the vizier paths (Akashic Mysteries)
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/variant-magic-rules/akashic-magic/veilweaving-classes/the-vizier

> New Campaign
> 15-point Buy
> Core Class Only

Should I go Wizard,Cleric,Druid or Sorcerer?

>>44371092
>15 point buy
>core classes only
Don't play at all.

>>44371092
Wizard to teach the DM a lesson about core-only games.

So I can make it to 900 damage per round easily, but find it hard breaking the 1000 damage per round barrier. Any suggestions people normally overlook? (I am trying to do this and limit what buffs he has, basically only buffs he can give himself)

I am doing this as a fighter, at the moment I'm hovering around 960.

>>44371106
I thought every 9th caster do that?

>>44366518
Draconic/Orc crossblooded sorcerer/alchemist multiclass with an asian theme.

>>44371182
Yeah, but Wizards are more egregious about it.

What's the opposing alignment for Neutral?
Is it all of them, perhaps?

>>44371553
Neutral has no opposition.

If something references an opposite alignment, neutral is never involved.

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Well hello everyone! It is midnight on christmas eve and I finally had time to ACTUALLY begin working on the character guide. I will be updating /pfg/ as sections are finished, then a final update when a workable draft has seen an initial edit.

The language section is now done as a conceptual draft. Take a look. I would love feedback, questions, ideas, or hate! I very much enjoy questions.

It ended up being longer than I originally thought. Next I will be writing on appropriate animal companions/familiars/bloodlines I think. Then brief overviews of the cultures of the Steaming Sea.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jiqbOgtvMz7uV8MxP9Wy5EuMHs_Yw2jWaWlOyMZlU8A/edit

>>44371553
I think it's the extremes of both alignment axes, so LG, CG, LE, and CE

>>44371567
So how's that work for Neutral characters that get stuff specifically noting opposite alignments?
Does it jut not function?

>>44371575
Correct, it just doesn't function.

>>44371575
A lot of them note that if you're neutral, you get to pick one though. What are you looking at specifically?

Happy nondescript winter holiday everybody!
You guys doing anything special in your campaigns for the occasion?
I let my PCs roll on a little loot table I made up.

>>44371638
I decided to design one! One with a LOT of cold! Tons of it!

I want to play but my group has fallen apart.
Considering online now, but where the fuck do I start looking?

>>44371660
Roll20 on the lfg tool. Occasionally groups even form from here.

>>44371660
Try out the game finder threads, there is one up almost constantly. It may be hard to find one over christmas however, as not a lot of groups are playing.

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>>44371567
There's also the type of TN that always gets involved to force balance on everyone else, like Mordenkainen or the Harpers.

From the Living Greyhawk Gazeteer:

>"Mordenkainen the Archmage formed the Circle of Eight as a tool to manipulate political factions of the Flanaess, preserving the delicate balance of power in hopes of maintaining stability and sanity in the region. Mordenkainen's view of 'enforced neutrality' is not a tit-for-tat equality but rather a detailed theoretical philosophy derived from decades of arcane research. He has fought ardently for the forces of Good, most recently during the Greyhawk Wars, but just as often has worked on darker plots to achieve his ends."

I've lost my list of some of the things the Harpers have done.

Guys with 15-PB Core Class only game here. I thinks I'm going with Druid. With 15-PB...

Animal Companion (with Human's Eye for Talent) will probably outclassed all martials/gish...

>>44371572
I actually am really nervous about changes languages around. Do you think that is too presumptuous for a Adventure Path? Since it is in a custom setting I feel as if it should get it's own flair, but I don't know if it is too off putting.

>>44371796
official D&D content got away with it and so can you

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>>44371826
Well hot diggity daffodil, might as well then. Any opinions on the particular languages?

>>44371834
well I'd offer some but your document's not open to viewers.

happy decemberween, by the by

>>44371861
Oh, I see. I'm an idiot. I'll fix that. I do not use google docs very often.

This link should work?

>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jiqbOgtvMz7uV8MxP9Wy5EuMHs_Yw2jWaWlOyMZlU8A/edit?usp=sharing

Hopefully.

>>44371182
Core only heavily favors wizards even beyond what people normally circlejerk about.

>>44371876
well it does.

So is there a list of language swaps, or new lists of languages for characters? What's Norish equivalent to?

I leave you to ponder these things. Have a happy holiday, friend.

What class/archetype mix would suit a pair of PCs? Currently looking at witchguard ranger and mixing mounted paladin with synth mount/nature oracle companion. Paizo only.

>>44371976
Good point, this should be clarified. I thought I was being clear, but I should be more so.

I going to homebrew a very Gorum-centric Inquisitor or Warpriest archetype. I figure the core of it should be access to the rage domain or getting rage somehow, proficiency in heavy armor, a large bonus to intimidate, immunity to fear, and an armor-training ability like a fighters. Probably also get a bonus on when they get deific obedience abilities, and a "code" like a paladin.

Which of the two classes would be better to build an archetype like this on top of?

>>44372005
Pointbuy, level, campaign tone? My kneejerk reaction would be cleric (druid, oracle) and arcanist (wizard, sorcerer).

>>44372011
Replace Track and Solo Tactics with Rage and Rage Powers, Force the inquisition/domain to be the fist/metal etc domain, make proficient with heavy armor, the greatsword, and unarmed strike(fits with several abilities Gorum gives). Replace Stalwart with an immunity to fear, replace cunning initiative with armor training?

>>44372011

I'd make a divine bloodrager, honestly. But if you're set in one of those two, I'd choose warpriest.

>>44372055
Undecided at the moment on those three.

>>44372059
Probably better to replace judgement rage and with rage powers. Having Rage, Judgement, and Bane while still having access to a domain might be a bit much

>>44372011
How about instead of solo tactics, you get a faster scaling version of Deific Obedience?

>>44372078
Have a look at http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/gestaltCharacters.htm

>>44371709
Holy shit. I didn't think Mordekainen was actually a person.

>>44371792
Just don't play. The only way to make it stop is to get people to realize nobody wants that sort of game.

>>44372290
So were Rary, Melf, Leomund, and Bigby.

>>44372290
Surprise! All named spells are named after wizards who invented them.

>>44372363
You forgot Tasha, aka Iggwilv (Baba Yaga's daughter)

>>44372345
I don't thinks he is intentionally doing it. The GM is pretty new to the system so he kinda believe CRB when it said 15 point-buy is "standard". The CRB class only is probably his comfort zone as a new Pathflouder.

>>44372363
was melf a milf

>>44372383
Then either talk to him and convince him otherwise, or leave.

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>>44372385
I'm pretty sure he was a male elf.

>>44372372
I've never met anyone who used her Hideous Laughter.

>>44372405
The fact that witches don't get hideous laughter is a fucking outrage.

>Asked GM like 20 times if he was sure I could play a Necromancer and told him that I had no issue not doing it
>Assured me it was ok
>Every single encounter there's ranged enemies shooting me dead and all I get to raise are 1HD humanoids that die in one hit
>Last session's combat had 2 fucking paladins consecrating and smiting and turning undead the whole time
>I'm spending all of my WBL on fucking onyx because my shit keeps getting oneshot
>All the enemies keep making their saves so even my spells ain't doin' shit
>Basically not allowed to roleplay because people scream and run away from the skeleton wizard and/or want to slay me
>My character is literally worthless
I'm so pissed after yesterday's session I couldn't sleep properly.
Merry christmas everybody.

>>44372387
I will after I learn about his personality traits, value, weakness and favorite food.

>>44372419
>Read all about these badass PCs running around with 300 burning skeletons, riding a fast-zombie dragon or some RADICAL shit
>Decide that I want to play a Necromancer too
>Get the OK from my GM
>Bring it in
>Meshes will with party and campaign
>Not too strong, not too weak, going great
>Gets buttfucked by a heroic NPC Paladin like 3 sessions in
>I mean holy fuck this guy hit me for three times my total health in one round
>GM had no plan or reason to do that other than "It's a logical thing the Paladin would obviously do"
Aaaaand that's when I bailed on that group.

>>44372419

What base class are you using? If you're a wizard, sorcerer, or some other arcane class ask to rebuild into a save-or-suck necromancer. Arcane classes are better at that branch anyways.

>>44372454
I built a proper minion-master Cleric.
It's just, you know... I can't ever have more than 5 HD worth of 1 HD skeletons.
I'm not allowed to go to a graveyard and raise some shit, it's got to be freshly slain creatures as a houserule. And all we fight are humanoids with class levels. So far one skeleton has actually survived 2 whole combats and actually slayed one enemy. I'm level 8. ajj lmau

>>44372454
>>44372419
You can save a lot on onyx using blood money.

>>44372474
Houseruled out.

>>44372474
>>44372473

And False Focus

>>44372473
Additional note: I'm not allowed to raise bloody skeletons specifically.
>Where the fuck does the blood come from? It doesn't make sense. Also, they're overpowered.
Fuck I'm mad.

>>44372486
Doesn't bone marrow produce red blood cells?

>>44372486
>Where the fuck does the blood come from? It doesn't make sense.

We are talking about fucking walking skeletons mate. I mean, not even zombies. Where does the movement come from? Same way the blood.

>Also, they're overpowered.

Well, that's technically true.

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>>44372473
>I'm not allowed to go to a graveyard and raise some shit, it's got to be freshly slain creatures as a houserule.
This is literally the worst fucking thing I've ever read in my whole life. Literally the worst. I am on the verge of tears.

>>44372473
>>44372486
So the gm has allowed you to do something, then throws a bunch of things at you to make that thing they allowed nearly impossible to achieve with anything near functionality?
Hey, anon, show the GM this message:
To anon's GM, seriously, stop it. What you are doing is forcing a GM v Player narrative in a hobby where YOU have all the power. You clearly know enough about the game to know necromancers can be powerful, but also neither trust anon to do right and moderate himself or have the finesse to deal with it without being a fucktard.
You have officially turned yourself into That GM, and are a discredit to GMs who Do It Right everywhere. What you should do, but won't because I will bet my last dollar you are too arrogant to see how you have been doing it wrong, is apologize to anon, and allow him to respectfully retire his character, as you clearly have no intentions of allowing the character to succeed, and allow anon to bring in a new character at no penalty. Maybe even learn something about what makes a game fun, and what makes it a chore.
We'll see.
Sincerely,
20 year GM Anon

>>44372385
Was Lelf a Milf?

>>44372545
Shit, now that's a christmas present.
Thanks for that one, anon.
If it don't work out I'm just gonna drop the campaign. I got no business being pissed off this time of year.

>>44372419
You don't seem to understand, this is why he said 'Yeah sure Necromancers are fine.' It's because he won't let you become an issue

>>44372850
How come no one ever has ceaseless dispel mages and antimagic zones to prevent Wizards from becoming issues, then?

>>44372850
What kind of issue can a necromancer really pose? Oh no, he's reusing the monsters the party defeats but they're worse in every way! Oh no, he's got save-or-not-actually-die spells! The hard cap on Undead HD already handles the whole thing to begin with and honestly I fully believe any iteration of a necromancer is always inferior to a properly built Summoner.

>>44372870
There's a difference between someone killing hoards of the damned and attacking the spellcaster with archers, both are sound battle plans both to make the DM's life easier and in order to keep their squad from being greased, and saying 'lol the enemy you're up against is the mage's guild fuck you players.'
>>44372880
It's nevertheless a clusterfuck.

>>44372884
It's only a clusterfuck if the player is a retard who can't plan his turns properly.
Undead have two fucking things they can do: move and attack.
If the player is so stupid he can't micromanage like 5 fighters alongside his character he shouldn't have played a necromancer.
A general rule of thumb for my games is that if you have more than one unit to control in battle your whole turn has to fit in under one minute. The one guy who keeps playing minion-based characters in my games usually gets his turn done in 30 seconds and has little notecards he jots his minion's stats onto.
>This moves here, that goes there, they both attack, these three charge this one, here's the rolls, the green dice are the charging ones, this ogre has to make a will save or fall asleep that's the end of my turn
If the player can't produce that kind of turn then he can't play that kind of class. There's no need to shit on him.
Imagine if you wanted to play, let's say, a Ninja and the GM cursed you with a fucking incorporeal tuba that followed you around and blasted music at all times and can't be dispelled with anything short of Wish. The character doesn't even fucking work. If you hate Ninjas or the guy can't play it right, have a talk with him and figure it out instead of destroying the character mechanically. Come on.

>>44372948
An incorporeal tuba is a supernatural or magical phenomenon, shooting the wizard isn't.

>>44372948
Necromancers only become problematic if you give them strong shit to raise.
Imagine for a moment a Necromancer with 45 hit dice worth of undead wolves that all auto-trip with their attacks because it's extraordinary and the undead versions get to keep it.
Who DOESN'T want their BBEG permanently tripped forever?

But the thing is, you can have an encounter right before that that seriously thins the problematic minions, and have him rebuild with ones that aren't as good, and the problem is solved.

>>44372988
Most wizards basically delete ranged attacks from the game. For the enemy, I mean.
The necromancer is 60% undead and 40% save-or-suck spells.
If there just HAPPENS to ALWAYS be a paladin around every fucking corner clearing half the undead in one turn and there just HAPPENS to ALWAYS be a ranger that just HAPPENS to ALWAYS shoot the necromancer into negative health with three attacks, the necromancer might as well be a fucking commoner throwing rocks at the enemy.

>>44372988
>A magical cursed tuba that follows the stealth guy around making stealth impossible for him
and
>Encounters that single out and shit on one specific party member over and over
have one thing in common:
They're both not fun for the player.
Oh shit, there's that word!
>Fun
Remember that one?
I'm sure you haven't forgotten that it's the most important fuckin' thing about this game and that having the game almost literally shit on your character at every given turn isn't actually fun at all!
>But anon, if I don't completely stomp the necromancer into the dirt every session, Chad's Fighter is going to feel weak!
It's not one player's fault that someone else is playing a shitty, badly optimized trashcan character, and you should fix the shit one instead of ruining the good one.

>>44373047
>Shooting the wizard at range
>Singling out

Chad the retarded fighter and Oswald the the rogue with 17 int, 12 dex and 8 strength are fine content holding their own against the bandit with an arrow stuck in his head from that one time, grugg the orc who's too retarded to flank and the kobold whip fighter looking to make his warren proud.

Meanwhile there are two assholes in the back realizing "OH SHIT IT'S A GUNDAM." and firing crossbow bolts at it hoping it will die.

>>44373087
Having a couple ranged guys shoot at the obvious leader of the skeletal horde is fine.
Having it happen literally every encounter, and to such an extent that it constantly gets him into negative health, is not.
And that's what the anon detailed.

>>44373141
Shouldn't you be shitposting on /v/ buddy?

>>44373141
It's not a conspiracy when /pol/ and /v/ literally dug up DARPA conspiracies. OK Schlomo

>>44373154
>>44373151
He does it occasionally. Just ignore it.

> 15-Point Buy
> Core Rule Book Only
> Final Destination

>>44368743
The 3.5 factotum from Dungeonscape would be absolutely perfect for this. It's pretty close to "Indiana Jones, the class" with a ton of Int-focus.

http://dndtools.pw/classes/factotum/

I don't even think it would take any conversion for Pathfinder. Don't even have to adjust the skill list because the skill list is just "all of them."

The lack of 4x skill points at 1st will hurt the class somewhat (the class really wants 1 skill point in everything if it can, because it has class features that work if you've got at least 1 point in), but it won't ruin the class. The loss of Iaijutsu Focus and the gnomish quickrazor is a more serious loss, but meh.

>>44373016
As a 9th level caster you should always be aware that you are second only to the GM in the ability to control the game.

Always assume that your GM wants to punish you for something and lay a trap to punish him back. Paladin always fucking your shit up? Prepare summon monster, magic missiles, greater invisibility, enervation and scorching rays for free paladin loot.
Does he find the fact that protection from arrows is somehow "wrong" and tries to counter it with enemies armed with magic arrows? Tough shit bitch, you also had obscuring mist/stinking cloud prepared and now the party gets to loot magic arrows for amazing profit. Dont forget to look him in the eye as he tries to weasel his way out of it by saying that the last magic arrows were conveniently used up shortly before the archers demise.
Obviously you also have to play intelligently and make it blatant that he's metagaming. If you're a necromancer then take great pains to hide your undead horde when they arent in use and always make sure that you have undetectable alignment handy in case he forces you to shift alignments.

If all else fails and he still continues to drop rocks on you and you specifically? Congratulations, a GM singling a player out is a sign of admitting defeat and you have already won the fight. Now go ahead and build an Occultist Arcanist with augmented summoning, superior summons and take evolve summon monster on the rest of your feats and show him whos boss.

>>44367372
Half elf bastard of human nobility, product of rape by elven lower class. Abused the status and position his mother afforded him to slaughter elves in a serial killer style, though he also practiced self mutilation to a certain extent and was covered in scars he claimed were from battles. It infuriated him that even with his ears cut up people could still tell he was half elf.

He had a fanatical loyalty to the house who raised him and despite being an NE fiend worshipper stood by our party's leader (a minor noble of the human kingdom) no matter what. He was determined to see his pledge crowned king and the land retaken from elves after the elvish slave class rebelled.

He was a TWF ranger going into the souldrinker prestige class to be able to inflict negative levels with two conductive weapons. He frequently quarreled with other party members and swore the death of all elves, but he never considered his private religious beliefs or their secrecy to be a betrayal of his good aligned party. He whispered prayers to the horsemen as he coup de graced foes, Szuriel most of all.

>>44367372
>>44373483
Oh, also whenever he felt regret or pangs of conscience about the atrocities he committed he would blame it on his lowly elven blood.

The campaign sort of fell apart after a new player joined who the DM allowed to play an elf, despite all the existing party members being hardcore anti-elf racists. We basically had to give up on our elf genocide/reconquest plotline and turn it into dungeon crawling, which caused the game to fizzle out.

I'm still kinda pissed at that to be honest. It was like we were playing the KKK and the DM encouraged someone to play a black player without telling them about us or without telling us what he was going to do.

>>44372850
There are ways to challenge a player without houserules designed to stymie their core intent, laser focus by enemies and "happenstance" that is a thinly veiled excuse to be a cunt.
If you are playing a class, than you should expect to be able to play the class to it's strengths as base. It's like saying that a fighter's weapons always break, or that the wizard has to constantly keep track of his components; all you have succeeded in doing is making the class not fun to play, not challenged the player.

>>44373467
Bruh
If you're bothering to convert 3.5 shit to PF anyway
Just fucking use it wholesale. It works just fine.

>Want to play
>Everyone's gone for Christmas holidays
Fuck

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Merry Christmas, /pfg/!

>>44374042
when are you going to crack down and draw porn

>>44370889
Impossible Bloodline looks like it's up my alley

It's the most similar to artificer magic item creation as possible.

I also like the fluff that shit is really neato

I know a lot of GM's don't like 3rd party so I think i'll go with impossible...

maybe Vizeir

>>44374054
He said he'd consider it after finishing his commissions. Also, reminder that drawing non-lewd nudes of your characters is a great way to learn anatomy even if you leave out nipples/genitals and/or never post it.

>>44373677
Well sure, but that might be a lot to ask for one player.

>>44372999
The wolves will have 1/20 chance of hitting the BBEG and most likely 1/20 chance of tripping him, too. Assuming he doesn't just wipe them all out with a single AoE spell. Hordes of weak undead are NOT a problem balance-wise.

>>44374292
Not... really? It's the same shit as going "Yo GM a new PF book came out", except the book has been out for years and people already found whatever is broken or needs fixing so the work is done for you.

>>44373969
I had a little Christmas event planned for my PCs but they're all away ;_;

Hey pfg, Gareth, Merry Xmas guys!
(I'm spending the day on buses /trains to visit family 5h away)

>>44374305
What's the most HORRIBLE thing a Necromancer can raise?
I'm talking extraordinary attacks-wise. I briefly thought "zombie dragons dude aw yeah" but I remembered that breath weapons and basically everything cool about dragons is all supernatural.

Sorry to ask this here but which of the 3.5 books has the regional feats for Forgotten realms?

>>44374433
Aboleth, from what i remember of a particular campaign. The slime keeps working.

Or a juju zombie version of any caster npc.

>>44374478
Now, how would I, as a budding necromancer, convince my GM to allow me to fuck off somewhere away from the campaign in search of specific creatures to kill and then raise?
Because I really wouldn't mind a couple aboleths now.

>>44374477
Pgfr, frcs, rof, iirc, but I don't have my books in front of me right now.

Are there any character sheets specifically for SoP?

>Time manipulation based powers, magic or otherwise
>It's always fucking slow/speed, aging and rerolls
>You get timestop eventually but you actually can't do shit with it unless you're a caster who needs extra turns to set something up
Is there any way to be a time controlling character that isn't the same run of the mill shit I've detailed above?

>>44374495
Thanks, just saved the frcs pdf.

>>44374494
Talk to your party and try and change the party's goal to get the most deadly monster possible

>>44374589
Fuck, that's smart.

>>44374520
What do you want to do?
Bonus question: how would it work in a game with more than one player?

>>44374629
I want to be able to stop time for extended periods and actually utilize the extra time I create for myself properly.
I'm imagining it like this:
>Standard combat
>My turn comes around
>Time stops
>I drag/reposition my allies to better spots, snatch some arrows out of the air along the way
>Pull down some badguy's pants and throw his sword away
>Uncork and unload some potions into the barbarian's mouth
>Write "LOSER" on some cunt's forehead with permanent ink

>Important combat
>My turn
>Time stops
>I make like 10 ranged attacks at the BBEG
>Time continues and they all fly at him simultaneously

I don't want timetravel, that'd be a clusterfuck.
I was hoping to find a class or feature that'd let me take extra turns via timestop by spending turns doing nothing, but I haven't found one like that. Also, time stop is basically worthless for anything other than running away or casting a bunch of buffs/other defensive spells.
I don't want it just for mechanics, though. It'd also be fantastic for RP as well.

>>44374478
>juju zombie
Yo this shit is nuts.
Does this work on non-humanoids that have supernatural stuff? Dragons for example?

>>44374720
Template says it can be applied to any living corporeal creature.

>>44374742
ZOMBIE DRAGONS
AW
YEAH

>>44374691
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/3rd-party-classes/super-genius-games/time-thief

Gestalted with any PoW class that gets access to Golden Lion to grant extra actions to allies, and access to Riven Hourglass.

>>44374754
>Rogue Genius
I hate that shit, so I didn't even check 'em.
I guess if this is all there is, I'll give it a read.

>>44374433
>What's the most HORRIBLE thing a Necromancer can raise?

A daughter.

>>44374767
What? Why? They've got a fairly good amount of decent content.

>>44374783
>Implying my pimpin' Lich wouldn't raise the most badass Necromancess ever

>>44374794
Personal vandetta, long story.

>>44374753
Keep in mind the limitations on making one, as far as I know Create Undead is the only normal method and you have to have caster level > the creature's HD.

>>44374691
So you want to fuck action economy in the ass. I don't think that's a good idea.
There are maneuvers that grant extra actions in Riven Hourglass, but not 10 extra standard actions like you described.

>>44374818
It's not really fucking the action economy if I take all my turns in the encounter in one go, is it?

>>44374825
yes, yes it is.

the game is balanced around you getting a turn then the enemies getting a turn, then you getting a turn then the enemies getting a turn.

if you take your two turns at once, there might not be as many enemies left to take their turns.

>>44374825
It is, if that ends the encounter. You won't want that dragon over there take all its actions in encounter to full attack you 3-10 times in a row before you have a chance to do anything, would you?

>>44374844
If a dragon can stop time we're already fucked beyond belief.
Secondly, time stop literally prevents you from attacking people due to some asspull I can't go find right now, so there isn't any way to actually kill enemies while time is stopped. You can't even make combat maneuvers at them or anything.

>>44374783
>tfw the paladin gives custody rights to the paladin.
People like you are why I can't teach my daughter how to make her own friends.

>>44374563
Dragon 319 has regional feats as well.

>>44370339

Sadly the GM is keeping it to three players for obvious reasons of balance.

>>44374817
>>44374753
Also you gotta have a control ability.

>>44375005
Fair enough.

I'm interested in going for a reach cleric build but want to swap it out for an oracle instead. The Battle revelation seems the most obvious choice but as someone who has never played a martial class, is giving up the amazing combat revelations worth it in exchange for an animal companion from nature/lunar revelation?

>>44371092
You play the class called "No.", and you find a better game.

How do you keep control of an undead from create undead permanently? Is it even possible?

>>44375202
You mean without allowing a saving throw to throw it off every now and then?
Mythic Command Undead is the only one I know off the top of my head.

>>44375120
The whole things about Reach Cleric is better action economy. Guess what gives you more action economy between the two?

>>44375210
What if you're not a cleric?

>>44375120
holy shit, are dumb questions about reach clerics a meme now? Because I'm kind of tired of seeing them.

>>44375260
Be a necromancer?
Or use the command undead spell with a really long duration so it doesn't really matter than it eventually wears off

Hmm so Command Undead feat is not an evil act..?

>>44375274
How do i become a necromancer then? I'm a sorcerer btw.

>>44375323
By that I mean be a wizard who specialized in necromancy. So, you already lost.

>>44375312
Oddly enough, it isnt. I suppose the point of the spell was just to show your holy symbol to the undead while raving "back I say!" and making them cower back and shit.

>>44375323
Animate dead, Blood money, Bloody skeletons.
Possibly a wand of desecrate later on.

>>44375254
Longspear AND animal companion?

>>44375328
Thats kinda lame. I only have animate undead.

>tfw can't make a juju zombie without it turning on me

>>44375363
Take Experimental Caster for the Undeath word.

>>44375335
Would the horse from nature revelation be an ok combatant or should I go all in and take the less good lunar revelations in exchange for the tiger/wolf/croc? I heard good things about broken wing gambit and I'm not sure the animal becomes less relevant later on to the point where it would not have mattered if its a horse or tiger.

I call lunar "less good" because while cha to AC is amazing, dex is quite important to reach builds since you are going to take combat reflexes anyways. With that in mind, you are probably left with just the darkvision and natural attacks as the moderately useful revelations seeing as beast shape one requires tons of gm negotiation to pull off.

>>44375381
>less good lunar revelation
I don't see anything good in nature.

When will we get more info on the qlippoth lords?

If you bring back a lich with resurrect or wish do they keep their lich powers?

>>44375436
>admitting you're this bad at Pathfinder
Stop, I feel embarrassed for you.

>>44375451
No.

>>44375449
Probably never.