A Heretic may see the truth and seek redemption. He may be forgiven

>>44355992
Lel the New Order was cucked.
TRAITOR!

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>>44355992

If given the choice between shooting an enemy and shooting a traitor, shoot the traitor every time.

>>44355992

Stats

http://www.bloomilk.com/Custom/24742/tr-8r--hero-of-the-first-order

>>44355992
Would it be fair to say that that weapon is a great tonfa (not taking into account the vibro/electric attribute)?

Kylo Ren did nothing wrong.

>>44355992
I would like to see this guy become a main character in the next movie.

>>44356863
he ded

>>44356917
Kylo Ren survived a shot from the very same weapon, and he wasn't even wearing trooper armour.

And besides, TR-8R can't be stopped, not while there're traitors out there in the world.

...seriously i would fucking cream the theatre if he and Finn actually got to have a rematch.

>>44356991
>TR-8R and Phasma get their revenge on Finn

>>44357028
Yes, YES! It sucked that Phasma especially was killed off so anticlimatically. Here's to hoping she survived.

>>44357046
She did. Will appear in the next movie.

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>>44355992
Guys, I think the new trilogy accidentally found it's new "Boba Fett", even if it was actually meant to be Phasma

>>44355992
A heretic is someone who looked at the true X, and then chose some different version of X.

A heathen can seek truth, a heretic is like the religious traitor.

>>44357046
She had plenty of time to escape the garbage disposal.

>>44355992

I just don't understand why everyone is so obsessed with this Stormtrooper.

>>44357075
Phasma is a grill, and does even less than boba. Its like they were cut out of her merchandising sales and decided to make the character as shit and unimportant as possible.

>>44357126
just like in real life, not every character is important.

>>44357115
Because there are no cool badguys in this new movie. There's just him.

>>44357082

>A heathen can seek truth, a heretic is like the religious traitor.

Sebastian Thor was declared to be a heretic by Goge Vandire. Which one of them was actually heretic? Heresy is in the eye of the beholder.

>>44357115
Because he was bad ass and probably a better fighter than Kylo Ren.

>>44357115
The same reason everyone obsessed over Boba Fett: He looked like a badass, and had a few bad ass moments. In this guy's case, he has a really cool weapon - It's like a light saber... but it isn't!

>>44357115
He's the first stormtrooper in any of the movies to ever do anything cool, impressive and interesting. Everyone likes the stormtroopers, but all they ever do is job hard and end up as cannon fodder. Even Phasma, the stormtrooper that was DESIGNED to be cool and standout, was lameshit compared to TR-8R.

>>44357126
She is going to be in the next film. No doubt. They never show her demise, even if it was for the punchline.

>>44357246
First impressions matter. She's a jobber they will try and redeem. And probably fail. TR8R 4ever.

>>44357267
It's been established that she'll sell out the empire just to save her own life.

On one hand that does kinda give her a bit of depth as far as empire character go... but in this movie it just came off as her just being a chromed up coward.

If they actually do something with that whole "I make the empire work for me, but i don't work for the empire" angle in the next movies, then i can kinda see it pay off later. But if it turns out that that wasn't the case and she really was just being a coward and everything then frankly there's no way to take her seriously at all now.

Either way, terrible first impression.

>>44357310
Even then shes fucked imo. Captured by mr space janitor and a retired smuggler. Possesses no backbone at all. Even if self interested she displayed no strength. Into the trash she goes.

Visual design is pretty cool though.

>Tfw TR-8R doesn't show up in episode 8

>Tfw he suddenly shows up in episode 9, wearing a Phasma style cape but with the same armour he always wore, with a giant burned hole in the centre from where he was coward shot.
>He fights Finn with dual tonfa
>Gets upper hand before being shot in the back/chest again by offscreen hero and dying for real
>The heroes run away, leaving him there
>He watched them go and mutters his final word... trai-...

Phasma is just a regular stormtrooper painted silver like she's the fucking Shockmaster, how does anyone think she's cool?

>>44357028
>Phasma
Get that nobody out of here.

>>44357028
>>TR-8R get his revenge on Finn and Phasma

fixed that for you.

>>44357389
Promotional material led to a different assumption about the character than "2 minutes of inconsequential screentime." As a member of a group where stormtroopers are designed to be non-individualistic, her having unique armor and a name led to the not unreasonable assumption that she was going to be more important than she was.

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Why did they not just have Phasma (Gwendolyn Christie) take the place of TR8-T0R, with Han Solo driving her off, thereby giving her a combat sequence?

>>44357444
>TR8-T0R
nah m8 ya fucked the pooch there

>>44357428
She doesn't even have a different helmet shape. All she is is the stormtrooper equivalent of a shiny pokemon.

>>44357473
thats a pokemon i want to capture and fuck

>>44356036
>>44355992
Is he kill?

>>44357046
Rule of cinematography.
If they died off-screen, then they didn't die.

Anyway, before the film even came out it was already confirmed she'd going to be in the next one.

>>44357364
Well...I don't know how first order armour works (I'm assuming just normal stormtroopers armour)

Which means that our true hero Tr8r was only knocked out by the blaster.

People always think stormtroopers armour is shit but in reality it's amazing.
It spreads the lethal energy across your body so you're not dead. Only down and out (and sore in the area of impact) and not like...ded

And if I'm correct unless it's a heavy blaster (like anti tank or sniper shit) the armour has a 99.99% effective rate.

>>44356991
inb4 TR-8R has a twin brother (TR-9R) and he swears revenge on Finn, Inigo Montoya style, and confronts him in the third movie complete with pre-fight one liner.

>>44357126
J.J M60 already confirmed she'll have a bigger role in the 2nd/3rd film

>>44358328
Brb calling up jjA

>>44357140
Wrong Chaos shill
Heresy is in the eye of the Immortal God Emperor.
Please report to your local inquisition office for purging. Thank you for your cooperation.

>>44356036
TR-8R

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>>44358328
What if he's got two brothers, and there's a new brother in each movie of this new trilogy?

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>>44355992
I'm dissapointed no one posted those yet

>mid boss becomes more popular than final boss

>>44355992
The way of the Mongols during Gengis Khan. Son, I am proud.

>>44358095
Maybe

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>>44358342
>J.J M60

You cheeky sonuvagun.

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>>44357115
cause he cool

>>44358276
Tell that to the people who make the movies.

>>44357115
>that guy has a weapon that i've only seen being used by my direct superior, and i know first-hand just how destructive it might be
>i'm gonna beat the shit out of him with a stick
>and win

he got shot afterwards but he won the 1v1 regardless

>>44357115
Hard to not think the guy who pulls out a damn space mace and beats the crap out of the guy with the beam sword doesn't look cool.

>>44357075
Heh, he even got blasted by Solo.

>>44357137

Most unimportant people in real life don't get merchandising.

>>44359350
I lost my shit at this.

Literally the best scene in the movie.

>>44359350
Still haven't gone to see the movie, yet. Now that I've seen the entire traitor fight sequence, I have no reason to.

>captain phasma

i'll take 'wasted potential' and 'completely pointless character' for 500 each

has he been stated yet?

>>44362700
He does
See >>44356049

Alas, we will never see him again. Because evul in hollywood cant have a sympathetic bad badass alive without turning him into "good side".

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>>44355992
>Claims to be the most traitor-busting nig in the galaxy
>Works with this guy

Fix this George Lucas.

>>44362610
She's not confirmed dead, she's confirmed to show up in at least episode 8

But holy shit I feel sorry for anyone who bought any fancy $50 action figure or statue of her before this one. Talk about over hyped.

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>>44359151

>>44359350

Stun Baton>Esword

>>44362860
>Update] [Auto] 3 new posts
i doubt he knows that much about kylo ren
Bump for best storm trooper ever

also the storm trooper that got mind controlled by Ray was

>DANIEL CRAIG

How did Finn activate the light saber?
i was under the impression that Jedi and Sith had to use the force to activate them

>>44362914
But of course. He knows how to shitcurity.

>>44362992
Its got a bloody button on the side, did you miss Han turning one on in Empire Strikes Back? Or Luke doing it in ANH before he even knew how to use his powers?

>>44362992
Very, very few lightsabers are built like that. Most have buttons, toggles, switches, etc. on the exterior to ignite the blade.

>>44362862
i never said she was dead, but she was hilariously underused for such a bigged-up character.

>WE HAVE THIS SILVER TROOPER WHO'S ALL ENIGMATIC AND SHIT!
>AND PLAYED BY THE BRICK SHITHOUSE WOMAN IN GAME OF THRONES!
>AND SHE DOES LITERALLY NOTHING!

>>44363057
Its the same lightsaber.

>>44363085
I bet they all did this on purpose. We can just hope they will not do this shit again. But who are we kidding, they will do it over and over again.

>>44363106
And said lightsaber has a switch on the outside.

The number of lightsabers that have to be activated with the Force is extremely, extremely low. Like, maybe a dozen over the course of hundreds of novels and comics ever showed that.

Anakin's lightsaber, the lightsaber that Luke wields in ESB and first ignites in ANH while playing around with it, which Han is shown to activate with a switch on Hoth, is not one of these.

>>44356017
First Order not New Order

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>>44355992

>>44355992
But anon, heresy is treachery. Treachery is betrayal. Betrayal turns you into a traitor.

>>44355992

Dumbest scene in the movie, aside from the super-duper-hyper-giga death star.

Why do you people actually care that Phasma did nothing, did you buy into the hype and buy action figures or something?

>>44363213

I thought it was funny she got mansplained. But why put her in the movie at all is what I wondered? They could have just had some random imperial officer do all over her scenes and it would have been fine.

>>44358276
I had the visual dictionary for the original trilogy, and it talks about how Stormtrooper armor can deflect glancing shots from blasters, but any direct hits will probably go through.

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>>44363213
if you'd bothered to read the thread you'd see it's already been pointed out she got hyped up and ended up doing nothing and getting dealt with in a comical way.

>>44363161

Though New Order probably would have made more sense.

>>44363244

It's really just an excuse for the bad guys to look less human and therefore less empathetic, so you feel less bad when they get slaughtered.

>>44356049
now he needs a backstory

if there were no more jedi, why would a normal ass trooper be carrying an anti-lightsaber weapon anyway?

>>44359350

I just love how much he exaggerates throwing his blaster and shield down. It's like he's saying "No. A blaster shot is too good for you traitor. You're going to watch as I beat you to death."

>>44363299
>what are riot police desu

>>44363299
what if he was actually one of the best fighters in the galactic empire, and was training Kylo Ren, since Snoke was off planet?

>>44363337
Not armed with expensive lightsaber proof weapons, senpai.

>>44363299
>an anti-lightsaber weapon

There are multiple reasons. The first is that one of the main goals of the First Order are to eliminate the remnants of the Jedi. While I'm sure everyone is relying on Kylo Ren to finish him off, it makes sense that all of your soldiers should be prepared to fight a Jedi.

The second is that the baton is not specifically an "anti-lightsaber" weapon, it just happens to stop lightsabers. It's not the material the weapons is made out of that stops the lightsaber, it's the energy field around it.

>>44363362
*first order
lololol

>>44363299
Me and my friends were talking about this. Our best theory is that it's an incredibly situational weapon, for fighting some other kind of enemy, and the First Order was like "you know what, just to be safe, let's make it useful against the weapons that our oldest enemy (who we think are all dead but might not be) use."
That, or he's Kylo Ren's parole officer.

>>44363369
>expensive lightsaber proof weapons

What makes you assume that it's expensive to make in comparison to other military grade weapons?

>>44359350

By any chance you got one of the X-wings showing up? Especially the "I LOVE THAT PILOT!" scene?

>>44362610
>denying the pottery they'll be working with
>"Rey, I am your motherrrrr"
The entire first order is 'wasted potential'. Movie would have been better if we saw more of them from Finn's perspective.

>>44359350
the thing I didn't get about the film was that they said the lightsaber was Luke's. So why was it blue? Shouldn't it have been green?

>>44363249
Yes, I still don't see why that should annoy anybody unless you took the hype way too seriously.

>>44363412

Luke's FIRST Lightsaber, aka the one he inherited from Anakin via way of Obi Wan. AFAIK Luke still has his green one he built himself.

>>44363412

It's originally Anakin's lightsaber, that Luke inherited from Obi Wan. Luke later created his own green lightsaber after Vader disarmed him on Cloud City.

A better question is: how the fuck did anyone recover it?

>>44363446
Probably some bull about not-Yoda happening to be on Bespin.

>>44363446
I like how they kept calling out those plotholes and then doing absolutely nothing with them.

just go and watch the next twelve movies, maybe they'll explain it there :^)

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>>44363299

Non-lightsaber energy weapons have existed for years in Star Wars.

The Magnaguard were using Electrostaves well over fifty years ago, and it's not a huge leap to assume most nonlethal melee weapons would need some sort of heat or energy component to keep them relevant.

>>44363299

According to the recent books, every single First Order soldier gets basic anti jedi training.

>>44363481

Is there a pic of him and CIA?

>>44363464
>>44363446
>>44363455

The only explanation other than "the Force" that I can think of is Darth Vader went out of his way to get it back, and it became lost sometime after that. That or some janitors found it and sold it off to some black market dealers or Jedi artifact collectors.

Seriously though, Obi Wans lightsaber would have made way more sense if it wasn't for the whole "family" thing.

>>44363398
Because the Old Republic equivalent, phrik electrostaves used by General Grievous's magnaguards, were worth as much as a small starship each.

That's the equivalent weapon. And they were designed to fight Jedi to a standstill.

>>44363481

This is exactly what I thought of when Han just blasted him after he kicked the shit out of Finn.

pottery

>>44363486

Not really. I mean sure, maybe 4000 years ago in the old canon when there were literally millions of jedi running around, yeah, you'd see Anti-Lightsaber proofing as standard, like the KOTOR games claim all weapons are made of Cortosis. But in the "Modern" setting? There's like maybe 10,000 Jedi by the fall of the Old Republic, and I'd be very surprised if there were ever more then two dozen Jedi in the New Order.

Its just a god damn shock baton with some form of energy field, look what it did to Finn when he got jabbed in the chest with it.

Why is everyone assuming a guy with a riot shield that would do jack shit against a lightsaber is a dedicated anti Jedi fighter with a dedicated anti lightsaber weapon. He is just riot control to deal with people non lethally if necessary.

>>44363369
Its a fucking electrostaff, they arent all that uncommon

>>44363520

>not canon
>not even the same weapon
>a thousand years of technology apart

So your comparison is pretty much worthless.

>>44363505
On that note, what did happen to Obi-Wan's lightsaber? Did Vader keep it after he killed him?

>>44363542
Not that Old Republic. The Republic that is old, that fell in the prequels. Like sixty years ago.

>>44363555

Probably got blown up with the Death Star.

>>44363555
unless he happened to have had it on him when he climbed into his TIE fighter it would have been blown up with the Death Star.

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>>44363542
>not canon
>a thousand years of technology apart
nigga...

>>44363531

You do know that those weapons were also effective against other weapons of the same kind? Vibroblades were just as effective against other melee weapons as they were against lightsabers. I definitely wouldn't want to be the idiot with a non energy resistant melee weapon in the Star Wars universe.

>>44363588
>>44363569

>referring to the Prequels Republic as the Old Republic

Anon...

>>44363589

Vibroblades use rapid vibrations, not a plasma blade. A vibroblade will cut just fine through the most 'common' of Anti lightsaber defenses.

>>44363576
>>44363574
I'd imagine he'd have taken it and not left it on the ground in some corridor.

>>44363632

Thanks for proving my point. Vibroblades were just used as an example of how weapons that are effective against lightsabers are not only just effective against lightsabers.

>>44363657

I just said that the most common type of anti lightsaber material, Cortosis, will do absolutely jack shit to stop a vibroblade, how the fuck is that proving your point?

>>44357361
>mr space janitor
Why do people hold on to this so hard? Militaries don't employ cleaning staff, it's a job for low ranking enlisted personnel and Finn having done that in the past has no reflection on him now.

>>44362976

> Trooper JB 007

>>44363681

Are you not even reading my posts? I'm not talking about the effectiveness of vibroblades. I'm saying that weapons that are effective against lightsabers are ALSO effective against other weapons or materials. I would have used energy weapons as an example since the mention of vibroblades clearly triggers your autism.

>hype up Phasma
>gets thrown in the trash literally
>some random unnamed guy just balls out of control

>>44363605
It's the only other Republic that's canon, isn't it?

>>44363362
It would make sense.
Notice how Kylo screams TR-8R! when he sees Finn.
He's mourning his dead master and vowing to avenge him

>>44363589
The problem I have with that is that melee weapons seems kind of useless unless you're a jedi. If you can't use the force to help you deflect bullets, you're going to get shot very quickly. I can't see many scenarios where they would prefer melee weapons over their usual blasters. Plus stormtroopers already have those weird "stun" rounds they used in A New Hope on Leia, so they don't need a nonlethal option.
Plus it seems too big, bulky and expensive to be a backup or holdout weapon if you run out of ammo.

>>44363706
Most infantry spend more time cleaning up shit and sweeping than they do shooting people after all.

>>44363762
the old republic is mentioned in the original prequel, its never mentioned when it was though right?

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>>44363493
You want it? It's yours, my friend!

>>44363795
I know and yet people fucking hold it up as proof of Finn being useless or wondering why he was a stormtrooper. I know people don't know military life as a rule but it still grinds my gears.

>>44363446
>>44363455
>>44363464
>>44363505

In the original EU, the Empire recovered it and it ended up in Grand Admiral Thrawn's possession.

It ended up being used by Luke's Clone which was grown from the hand Luke lost on Bespin.

>>44363855
Sometimes I think about reading the Star Wars EU.
Then I see shit like this.

>>44363786

Considering the Star Wars universe, there are certain species and cultures the First Order could possibly encounter where it would be prudent to have a melee weapon. The Clone Wars also showed a few examples where this was relevant.

Failing that, there's always the simple explanation that the First Order just wants some troopers to be able to theoretically hold their own against a Jedi.

>>44363871
The Thrawn Trilogy is supposedly one of the high points of the EU, especially for post-RotJ stuff.

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>>44363801
Originally, "Old Republic" and "Republic" were used interchangeably, but TCW established the Old Republic as a separate entity within Disney canon.

>>44363809

Jedi Pavel, I'm Tr8R

>>44363299
It wasn't anti-lightsaber. Lightsabers have been nerfed. It's why Finn wasn't cut in half and Ren didn't lose his arm.

>>44363732
Vibroblades won't do shit against lightsabers unless it incorporates a lightsaber resistant material in its design.

Only energy weapons, like the magnaguard Staffs or the riot tonfa Memetrooper used are resistant to lightsabers.

>>44363884
If the "Old Republic" was a Republic before the prequels' Republic, then that line is still technically true.

It's kind of confusing for there to be three distinct Republics, though.

>>44363809
Do you have the one where he's been shopped over Darth Maul with dual batons?

>>44363871

The Thrawn Series is probably the very best of all the expanded Univewrse stuff. Thrawn is the sort of Villain I'd wish we got in The Force Awakens, someone who rules through making his men love, respect and want to follow him, and not be coerced through fear. He's an antagonist you can actually root for.

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>>44363905
There's also this line, though, implying that the Old Republic was the government immediately preceding the Empire.

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>>44363906
of Courshe

>>44363855
Honestly, that's just the lamest part of the Thrawn Trilogy. There's a ton of cool things in there as well.

But the true highlights are the Rogue Squadron series. Features Booster Terrik, the man who single-handedly stole a Star Destroyer.

>>44363871
The fact that its no longer cannon makes it wortwhile to actually engage with the star wars lore after seeing the movies.

No need to get turned off by stupid shit like that.

>>44363927
You can do some word-twisting to justify it, but yeah, at the time of the original movie it was probably meant to refer to the Republic we saw in the prequels.

>>44363948
For now. It's only a matter of time before shit gets retarded again, especially if authors start incorporating more and more chronologically-pre-prequel shit.

>>44363929
>[Duel of Fates intensifies]

>>44363975

at least Disney will probably do a better job of keeping a lid on things than Georgie did.


small mercies.

>>44363929
It took me a second to realize what those bobby head looking motherfuckers were.

>>44364060
star killer planet shoots the death of stars across galaxies

>>44363299
Didn't the force pikes Emperor Palpatine's elite guard had have similar effects? Could just be a version for the rank and file, or riot gear designed for everything from flesh to steel considering it wouldn't be too hard to make droids dangerous

>>44363299
>>44364187
It IS riot gear. Electrical weapons are shown to be lightsaber resistant.

>stun settings

Beanbag guns, tasers of numerous kinds, tear gas grenades, water cannons, rubber bullet guns, pepper spray guns, OC sprays and lots of other ranged weapons exist to deal with riots non lethally. But riot cops still have a shield and a baton for the same reason that trooper did.

>>44357115

Because our other options for villains are 1) Giant Space Gollum 2) Kylo Whiny Bitch 3) Grand Moff Ginger and 4) Captain Shoved Off Screen Phasma

>>44358095
Hopefully he will be. Traitors are worse than murderers, no matter which side they defect to. Yet for some reason, the "heroes" knowingly lets a morally abysmal scum walk among them.

>>44357115
Because he almost removed JJ's forced diversity quota from the series and actually reminded everyone that the empire isn't a bunch of angry sith manchildren and their disposable shit-tier soldiers

>>44364476
yet he was shot like a bitch. Bad-ass as he is, but still disposable

>>44359350
>man who isn't trained in the use of a lightsaber doesn't accidentally kill himself every moment he swings it
Such quality writing.

>>44364546
well, its not hard to figure out how to shank bitches with a lightsaber. It all boils down to the "stab a enemy with a glowy bit" just like Finn did.

>>44364544
>implying he didn't survive, won't be back for the sequel and didn't get a promotion to the knights for his valour

>>44364546
Eh? "lightsabers can only be used by those attuned to the force" is an EU thing.

>>44364628
>wanting to be a bitch-ass knight-of-fag instead of gaining a shoulder guard and becoming a squad leader

>>44364628
Sadly, it will not happen. Too cool and bad-ass for a Dark Side.

>>44357126
>and does even less than boba

Is such a thing even possible?

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>>44364648
Since they never finished the job, someone clearly needs to teach those faggots how it's done, and TR-8R is the man for the job

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>All the complaining about a non Force user using a lightsaber semi-competently

I always hated that bullshit EU "oooh it's so complex because it's weightless only a Jedi can use it!" explanation

To quote my man Tucker

"What's so hard about swish swish stab? It's a fucking sword dude not a fighter jet"

>>44364455
You don't owe loyalty to people who stole you from your parents at a young age and raised you to kill for them.

>>44355992
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BjzsQUCjtg

>>44364702
The reason it's such a problem is because the blade is weightless so you could easily point it at something you're not supposed to, like a hand or your junk, without even realising.

>>44364702
>>44364629

I think this is the main thing people need to really let go from the EU. The idea that someone not strong with the Force would likely chop off their own head when using a lightsaber was retarded.

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>>44359350
>sees Finn has the most legendary weapon in the galaxy
>could just shoot him from a safe distance
>engages in honourable combat instead

>>44362862
Trust me, in /toy/ there was a deluge of Phasma figures getting thrown in the >>>/trash/

>>44357153
What were Boba Fett's badass moments? The one line he spoke, or the part where he got rekt by a blind guy?

>>44364455
>the "heroes" knowingly lets a morally abysmal scum walk among them
>I walked out on the baby murderers/puppy kickers because I found out, that's not what I wanted to do with my life.
>I'm scum.

>>44364702
true, but even when that's the case, it would be such an odd departure from normalcy that this is what tends to happen when you don't know what you're doing with it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uasc9qwx68w

>>44364782

They have an entire comic with basic the entire cast including chewie uses a lightsaber.

So unless literally everyone is force sensitive, I don't think it's a requirement.

>>44364155

not really a big deal.

>>44364784
Please don't remind me of Anna, anon. It's still too painful.

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>>44364825
That whole arc was indeed quite silly

>>44364807

The most badass moment Boba Fett had wasn't even up to him. It's easily Darth Vader singling him out and telling him specifically to not disintegrate people.

>>44364732
Look at this traitor scum.

>>44364697
>wanting to leave the stormtrooper corps
smells like traitor talk to me

>>44364784
Mand'alor material right there.

>>44364842
Totally forgot about that. Boba didn't even do anything and you already know he doesn't fuck around.

>>44356321
It's a baton. Don't get all weeaboo on me.

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>>44364867
>not wanting to improve your comrades lot so they may one day reach the heady heights of TR-8R's regiment

>>44364831
I have no idea about the bitch except she's a rapist who used vagina juices to bake cookies.

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>>44363291
Yeah, armour in films is very rarely anything more than visual.

>>44364702
what's more concerning is that a non force sensitive person used a lightsaber more times and for longer than force sensitive characters in the movie.

fully expect TR-8R to come back since he's been meme'd

>>44364912

Her voice actress died.

>>44362599
But you haven't heard the man shout his one line.

>>44364902
>implying you can't do that as a sergeant or captain

>>44364921
Well maybe the force sensitive shouldn't have run off like a little bitch, forcing him to take it.

>>44362862
The Lego version doesn't even have a face under her helmet.

>>44364924
I can wait for the youtubes.

>>44364870
Mandalorians aren't canon anymore. I think

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>>44364944
http://webmshare.com/play/zYWYw

TR-8R will be with you, anon, always

>>44363213
It's like that shitty, shitty 47 Ronin movie with Keanu Reeves. There's a big image of a skeleton-tattooed man with a gun on all the posters, and he was sort-of featured in the trailers, and he does fuck-all in the movie. He like, says one thing and never does anything else. Why would you hype that?

>>44364937
>Well maybe the force sensitive shouldn't have run off like a little bitch
WEEEE-EUUU
Fuck she was just the worst part of that movie. No real personality, development, or motivation and automatically good at everything what the fuck.
They better reveal in the next movie Luke mindwiped her, implanted false memories, and dumped her on the planet. Anything less and I call shenanigans.

>>44364972
There was a mandalorian flag in TFA.

>>44364972
isn't there a female one in the new show?

>>44364974
thank you kindly

>>44364972
They're still canon. They just aren't entirely comprised of dickheads that are inexplicably always right anymore.

Some think Rey is one, though we all know she's __Sheev's__ descendant really

>>44363493
Does /tv/ Drive in the woods?

>>44364972

There are a ton of Mandalorians in the Clone Wars. So they're still canon, just not in the way they were before.

>angry white man with a police baton and riot shield squares off against scared black man and beats him to a pulp
bit on the nose their ay JJ?

>>44363871
Sometimes I think about having read the Star Wars EU. And then I saw The Force Awakens.

Have you ever felt like you wasted large amounts of your life? Not in the, spent a bunch of time reading useless trivia, learning how to play RPGs you'll probably never get into a game of, or posting on 4chan, I mean reading all these fantastical stories of your favorite surviving Star Wars heroes, and then having the Disney company and JarJar Abrams wipe the slate clean of everything you read, and replacing it. Han and Leia's other kids are now immaterial.

>>44364974
I kind of wish he kept the shield.

>>44365045
>black man clearly stole a white mans weapon
>black man deserted and became a traitor
>policeman gets shot for doing his job

>>44365064
He probably chucked it to help keep his balance.

>>44363927
Scary enough, it was.

>>44365077
And for the more elaborate moves. Still, having someone bash a lightsaber user around with a metal plate and stun baton would have been 11/10, rather than the mere 10/10 that scene was.

>>44364839
This reminds me that there was a force-sensitive Hutt, one of the most dangerous foes imaginable.

>>44365124
What makes you think it could withstand a lightsaber?

>>44365136
wait a minute this gives me an idea.
An electrified dark ore or whatever that substance is shield with an accompanying lightsaber

>>44365136
Midichlorians, son.

>>44364782
Imagine you're swinging around a running chainsaw, except it cuts things a hundred times faster and every side of the blade is just as sharp, and it also weights almost nothing and the non-blade part is smaller than the average flashlight.

If you're hitting it against things that can clash with it like other lightsabers or lightsaber resistant shit, it's going to be way more dangerous to the user than an average weapon.

>>44365174
So TR-8R is a latent force user too?
Makes sense. His name based warcry might be some unconscious expression of the force similar to Sheev's battlecry.
Both of them promptly start using spinning based tricks after they utter it

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>>44365045
>Black man stars in Star Wars movie for the first time
>Gets accused of being a thief
>Gets the shit beat out of him by a cop
>He's the janitor stormtrooper

>>44363235
Most of her stuff is probably on the cutting room floor.

>>44365235
Hey than maybe it should be only used after you, y'know, TRAIN WITH IT FOR YEARS!?

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>>44365235
>>44364772
Oh I don't think a non Force user should pick it up and be flawless

I just don't like the "Oh a non Force user picked up a lightsaber he's automatically going to cut his dick off!" bullshit.

Finn picked it up, stabbed a dude in the back, and pretty much defended himself reasonably well given his probably limited melee weapon training.

>>44365242
Everyone who does anything remotely impressive in star wars is a latent force user. Like the protagonist of TIE Fighter.

>>44364974
Holy shit, he sounded so much more badass in French yeah, I know...

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>>44365174

>>44365293
I guess that explains the powers of Max Rebo and his Jizz wailers

>>44365045
He clearly thought Finn was holding some Skittles.

>>44365244
Lando, lard ass

>>44364693

She manages it. Still, we'll have to give her the full three movies.

>>44363636
The implication is it may have been in Vader's chambers instead of on him.

>>44364782
Always thought that meant that, if you begin treating it like a Jedi might, or with reckless abandon, chances are you'd cut your own leg off instead of shank the guy you were up against. So basically, fancy talk for "don't be a fucking idiot with a lightsaber and don't use it against someone who has experience or you will die horribly".

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This movie was some top-tier action adventure. I love it.

I don't even like JJ(He was one of the dunces who wrote Michael Bay's Armageddon), but I will say I got more respect for him now. He and the writers made a damn fine film.

>>44366363
And all Fin ever did was swing it around like a stick similar to the first few times Luke used it. Nothing even remotely fancy.

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>>44366400
BEN WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO THE JEDI?

>>44365013
>That spoiler

SOMEONE ELSE WHO FIGURED IT OUT

>>44364972
Mandalorians are in the Clone Wars series. I think Rebels mentions them. Books too probably.

Also, one of the flags out in front of Ma's place was the Mandalorian Flag(the one with the horned skull)

>>44365064
Figures he tossed it to avoid accidentally trying to block a lightsaber with it. Would probably have been his first instinct if it had been on his arm still, and been a fatal mistake.

>>44365244
>People still bringing up Finn sanitation duties like they mean shit

/tg/ I know it's foolish of me but I generally presume you have a rough idea of how militaries function.

>>44355992
One of the best scenes in the movie. The only shitty part was that they missed a cool moment to make him a stormtrooper Finn knew personally (you know, like the one that left the bloody handprint on him in the beginning)

Watching Finn have a moment of horror and saying something like "Tr971, is that you?!?" And then desperately try to reason with him in the fight would have been an awesome thing to watch. I feel like they really missed on that. Would have hammered home just how much the stormtroopers hate him.

Stormtroopers are supposed to be the cream of the crop of imperial troops, the guys that make the hero go "aw shit". It was cool to finally see one get a moment where he legitimately had a main character on the ropes.

>>44364972
They're, but Jango and Boba aren't mandalorians anymore, Jango was just a thug who stole a mandalorian armor and made everybody think he was a mandalorian.

>>44364187
Just like Palpie's guards, and Grevious' elite droids.

Electrical melee weapons aren't new people, calm tf down. They are effective close quarter's combat weapons.

Plus, Luke IS still out there, technically.

>>44366574
>One of the best scenes in the movie.
Nah. It was shoved in there for a cheap thrill and made no sense in the context of the film.
That trooper is the only guy with a shield and the mace in the entire film and in the films before it. He throws the shield away immediately and starts an awkward tonfa vs lightsaber fight that didn't serve any storytelling purpose whatsoever since we know Finn already abandoned the First Order for good considering how many he blew up in the hangar scene in the beginning.

And having Finn know him personally would have at least showcased the indoctrination of other troopers or differing points of views, but it would also be a really obvious clichee.

My main complaint isn't that there's a weapon that can stop a lightsaber, my main complaint is that the fucker dropped his blaster and shield to engage in melee combat

>>44357608
So just like most others?

>>44366712
>In my opinion the traitors are evil!

>"Traitor!"
>Not "It's treason then"

>>44365004
Is she cute?

>>44366749
The weapons of the flashlight monks shear through armor and block laser shots. Far better to ignore such weapons against one wielding such a blade, and either use kinetic projectiles (might vaporize a bullet, but no ricochet to worry about) or electric weapons in melee then, take advantage of the fact your weapons have weight to possibly throw them and their much lighter weapons off balance. Besides which, it was probably a tool to handle armor if it had traits similar to medieval flails, or he wanted to drag the traitor back to use as an example.

>>44366749

How does it feel to have no balls?

>>44366400

>Plot holes everywhere
>Anything good is just a rip off of a New Hope

Dude, I think it was a pretty good movie, but all the parts that were bad go to the script and director. JJ Abrams is shit, but I'm just lucky we seem to have decent actors and a good effects team for one someone less mediocre takes the reigns.

>>44366786
Not sure what you are getting at. But my point was that from a writing pov it was a complete waste of time and was only in there to put something 'cool' in there. Which made it feel forced and artificial in the context of the story.

>>44355992
by far my favorite 40k line

>>44366882
1. The one wielding the saber is a non Force user who can't deflect blasters due laking Force precognition powers
2. Traitortrooper knows this
That would be like watching your fat and clumsy ex friend who wants to kill you with a katana and you drop your uzi to try to hit him with a club

>>44367113
Bit this is personal, have you ever been mad at something that you want to hit it?

Yeah, a gun is good, but do you want to beat something up and hear it's skull being crushed with your own strength. The First Order troopers were trained like the Clones were, and see each other as brothers, and Finn just betrays them and is carrying a Jedi weapon and working with the enemy. That right there got his blood boiling something fierce.

>>44366400
You shouldn't hold the Bay thing against him. A film can have a really solid script and still end up shit if Bay is working on it. You have to remember, writers have no power or respect in Hollywood. Director's always have the final say. The script to the first transformers film was actually written by one of my favourite writers. You wouldn't know it by watching the film though.

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>>44367194
please bare in mind.

Micheal Bay gave us The Rock.
so he has a blank check to make as many shitty films as he wants.

So is that blaster shot still just floating in mid-air? I don't think We never saw Kylo release it.

>>44367232
He released it when he flew away at the end of the scene

It blew something up and made Finn piss his pants.

>>44367232
It releases just after he leaves, hits a moisture farm, and spooks Fin.

>>44366507
>I think Rebels mentions them.
The little girl with rave hair is a mandalorian.

>>44364060
George kept an iron lid on things, under him canon was "Things I personally worked on"

Then there was a bunch of shit he didn't care about that he basically ignored.

Why are the Stormtroopers more interesting that the rebels every time?

>>44359350
Shit man, this fight synchs up incredibly well with Rules of Nature.

>best fight in the entire movie lasts less than a minute
R.I.P. TR-8R, you were the H3-R0 we needed but not the one we deserve.

>>44367232
Yeah, he released it. Did you look away or go to the bathroom or something?

>>44367990
Because rebel soldiers do fuck all and leave everything to their heroes like Luke, Rogue Squadron, etc. Stormtroopers get stuck in, they fight for justice no matter how many of them may die in the process.
It's like, listen to Hot Winds Blowing from Metal Gear Rising, that's the Stormtrooper.

>>44364429
Is TR-8R the gasmask goliath of Star Wars?

>>44368875
In popularity, yes. In relevance to plot, no.

>>44363299
it also works as a battering ram.

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>>44366400
BEN WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO THE JEDI?

>>44363905

France is on its fifth republic in 200 years.

>>44363269
Yeah
>First order
>You know barring the New Republic, Old Republic, and the Empire

>>44364972

One of the main characters in Rebels is a mandalorian, and one of her fellow mandalorians appears as well. Hard to get more canon than that.

>>44364921
To be fair, Finn very well may be force sensitive, he's just not super speshul chosen one Rey.

>>44364983

Or Luke was helping her via clairvoyant use of the Force. That would explain her awesomeness at everything, plus all the weird coincidences.

"I've been helping you all along, but now you have to learn to stand on your own."

>>44367855
Honestly, I think that's the best way to approach canon. Much less of a headache to just accept that everything not made by the original creator is fanfiction. That way there's no reason to get upset if Disney fucks things up irrevocably, and the universe beyond the films can be exactly what you want it to be.

>>44365244
>Black guy helps steal a spaceship

>>44370033
>Doesn't have a father.

>>44370042
He has one, but the first order made him abandon Finn. They're really dedicated to preserving that particular stereotype.

>>44363533
Also I don't think it's too much of a stretch for the First Order to train at least some of its ground troops some anti-jedi tactics and equip them with anti-jedi wepons, just in case Luke returns from wherever he fucked off to with an army of freshly-trained Jedi.

>>44366557
those particular weirdos are all still angry there was a grill who knew how to do things anon

learning that soldiers do something other than operating operationally or delivering Kojima soliloquys 99.999% of their time in uniform would break their fragile little minds

>>44366400
BEN WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO THE JEDI?

>>44366813
Oh shit, the storms toopers couldn't have been talking about traitor treason, right?

>>44357115
Because J.J. Abrams is a hack and actually shat the bed with FA. It was fun, but definitely Disney-fied so that it was probably a blast for kids, but for anyone older than 12, it was full of plotholes.

And the casting sucks.
>Driver is a ninny, and sort of becomes better as he does his thing with Han/Ford, but then shits the bed again with his creepy highschooler prom-request, "I CAN TEACH YOU!"
>Boyega is a goddamn ham or his scripted lines suck ass and make him look like a twit; I can't tell which it is
>Apparently there's space Irish mobs and what I assume to be Tagalogs as well

Abrams lied. Or Disney did, doesn't matter anymore.

If the prequel episodes took themselves too seriously, the "new" episodes are leading off with the series parodying its golden films for children and idiots.
And paying the hell out of critics for good reviews.

On Rotten Tomatoes this shit has above goddamn 93%. It's "good" but not THAT good.

>>44357115
This random mook saw Finn and was so pissed at him being a traitor he dropped his shield and gun and decided, i'm gonna fight this nigga mano e mano and he actually held his own and nearly killed him despite the fact Finn was using a lightsaber.

He was kind of a badass.

>>44370294
Driver is goddamn fantastic

He is what happens when Any Given Fa/tg/uy enters the star wars universe played to the T

Instant fall to the dark side, absolutely terrifying but very much not in the way he wants to be.

A try-hard little fucker who thinks he is incredibly hot shit, and genuinely has some potential, but is held back by just how breathtakingly self-absorbed a little shit he is.

Darth Vader: School Shooter is a fantastic character idea. Oh, yes, you're scared of him. But not because he, personally, is terrifying. You're scared of him because he's got the world's most fragile ego and the second his feelings get hurt he is going to break everything in arm's reach, and it will be cold comfort to your next of kin when Daddy Snoke makes him apologize to them.

>>44370294
Driver was great for those reasons though. He's an upstart trainee trying to live up to his grandfathers name.

>>44370331
The fact that he goes up against anybody with a lightsaber in the Star Wars universe in melee says he's retarded.
But really, really, really brave.

A lightsaber is so rare it says the person holding it, even if he used to be your wimpy janitor, by legend and reputation, is going to force choke and rape you with his magic glowstick.

In hindsight, or overall, TR-8R has balls bigger than Starkiller base.

>>44370502
>>44370441
With Driver it's a little hard to tell.
He's just on the fine line of awkwardness so well that you can't tell if he's really just out of place (his nose and intonation isn't helping at all, sadly), or if he's playing his "role" exquisitely well.

And Finn/Boyega's horrendous lines along with anytime Carrie Fisher or Harrison Ford speaks makes any dialogue written for Force Awakens somewhat...dunno, untrustworthy. I can't take most anything at face value because it's just so goddamn bad overall that I can't tell who's being a good actor outside of Harrison Ford.
>bless him, he made his lines believable
>if it shat over Han Solo's original image as a cool rebel guy, and not a doddering snarky uncle

>>44364940
They did the same thing for Boba back in the day. You just had a black cylinder to put the helmet on.

>>44370578
>>44370294
I just came back from seeing it and I don't see any of these problems.

Finn's oddness makes sense to me, he's a child soldier indoctrinated in party dogma and forced to obey incredibly strict rules all the time, of course once he gains freedom he's going to not know how to behave normally.

And Ren was a great villain, Anakin 2.0 where they play on the whiny emo bitch to make it an asset for the character, showing all the problems he has and why it ultimately makes him fail in his task.

I certainly don't see how this is 'Disney-fied'. The Rebels animated show was for sure but this? War, death, destruction, families torn apart, a villain who is not only evil but probably has some severe mental issues, I'm just not seeing it.

>>44370640
Not the anons you replied to, but while I enjoyed the movie it didn't feel like Star Wars. It felt like it was wearing the skin of a Star Wars movie.

>>44370578
>if it shat over Han Solo's original image as a cool rebel guy, and not a doddering snarky uncle

Pro tip. Cool rebel guys grow into doddering snarky uncles

>>44370669
To each their own, I watched all the original movies again before going and my first really exciting thought was that it felt just like Star Wars again, action, adventure, the effects, sets, camera work, it felt just like it to me.

>>44370677
Completely agreed, heaven forbid characters grow and change over decades.

>>44370640
>of course once he gains freedom he's going to not know how to behave normally.
It's largely in Finn's vernacular and ideals, which are completely TOO "normal" for a kid "indoctrinated in party dogma and forced to obey incredibly strict rules all the time." If anything, he should be dropping spaghetti left and right, not being a "pretty normal dude with a good heart and is pretty funny/socially-adept."

As for the Disney-fied part, it's mostly that FA was hype as hell from Abrams, and didn't live up to it. The critics are similarly also praising it far more than its worth if it had been a stand-alone sci-fi film instead of a new SW film.

I am reluctant to give the likes of Huffpo any further pageviews, but this article sums up more or less the obvious parts of why FA is just plain bad or lazy:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/40-unforgivable-plot-holes-in-star-wars-the-force-awakens_b_8850324.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/20-more-plot-holes-from-s_b_8856844.html

The second article is just nitpicking though; it's a lot of the first article that's glaring.

>>44368278
Honestly it synchs well with most songs from MGR. Especially Stranger I Remain.
It's pretty universal.

>>44370714
Don't get me wrong, I really liked the movie. But I don't know, it didn't have the same feeling to me as the others.

>>44370714
>I watched all the original movies again before going and my first really exciting thought was that it felt just like Star Wars again
You probably have the nostalgia goggles on so fierce as to not be able to see Force Awakens as a film in its own right honestly.

>>44370723
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLrAA-j61MQ

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>>44370760

Bane?

>>44370720
I just read through the first ten of those plot holes, and I'm really thinking not bothering reading the rest.

Because so far I looked at each individual one and immediately thought of a completely plausible explanation for why it happened, or felt that it wasn't even a plot hole and was just them whining about something they didn't personally like.

>>44370771
This more or less says you like SW not for any internal consistency or setting, but because "fun shit happens in space and I'm just here for the ride."

I don't want to call you something as pithy as casual, but here it fits you.

>>44370771
To continue, it looks like the first 10 plot holes would only be plot holes for someone who didn't bother to look at any of the actual reasons for why things happened half the time.

True, it does annoy me that this movie FORCES you to go look at supplementary material to understand some things, but half an hour of web browsing after the movie answered my questions and immediately negates some of these 'plot holes' as just plain ignorance on the part of the writer, or acting like there's no possible explanation because they personally don't understand.

>>44370771
>I looked at each individual one and immediately thought of a completely plausible explanation for why it happened
Start explaining, because this shit is going to haunt the entirety of JJA's involvement with Star Wars.

>>44370797
>it does annoy me that this movie FORCES you to go look at supplementary material to understand some things, but half an hour of web browsing after the movie answered my questions and immediately negates some of these 'plot holes'
If you have to go look up explanations for the biggest film release in maybe a decade to stop being silly in its own canon, that more indicates some lazy and/or bad writing and the bane of sci-fi (i.e. readers should be able to understand why X sci-fi shit happens without the writer necessarily having to use excessive exposition to get it across).

>>44370640
It doesn't seem believable to me that someone raised to be a member of an army with a reputation for being malevolent stony-faced killing machines (in a setting with literal killing machines, no less), would hoot and holler whenever shit blows up like some kind of Rebel scum who's a big fan of Die Hard. The only explanation I can think of is that Kylo programmed Finn to defect and join the Rebels as part of a plan to find Luke.

>>44370865
He doesn't seem that clever. Maybe a First Order officer or even Snoke?, but not Kylo Ren.

>>44370794
Uh, no that's not what I'm saying at all. Me saying I don't see these plot holes as being legitimate criticism does not translate to me saying 'lol star wars is so wacky you don't need reasons for things!'

I'm saying that, as a long time fan and lover of the franchise and universe, that I don't believe these criticisms are valid, and that many of the plot holes discussed on that side either rely on the writer just not knowing there was an explanation, or not taking a few seconds to think of what an explanation could be.

Why does Rey speak Wookie? Well, she never speaks it, just understands it. For one there are tons of aliens who speak their own language and have humans understand it. Also, Rey lives on a very multispecies scavenger world with all kinds of aliens in town, she probably picked it up there.

Complaining about someone surviving a crash. Okay that's not even a plot hole, just them complaining about something they didn't like.

Ren not instantly wasting Finn in a lightsaber fight? Stormtroopers get close combat training specifically to fight lightsaber users, as TRAITOR TROOPER showed with his energy tonfa. Ren is a half baked acolyte who never finished his training and hasn't had a saber duel in years, and isn't exactly rational or a good tactical thinker at the best of times.

Why does the First Order want to destroy the Republic? Because they're indoctrinated like North Korea to believe the Republic is a bloated, decadent cesspit that must be cleansed, and that supporting the Resistance against them is an act of war. The Resistance isn't an official Republic operation, just a bunch of troops personally loyal to Leia, and the Republic is quietly funding them because there's not enough support for a full scale war.

>>44370884

Why is the entire Republic's force in one star system? Because after the fall of the Empire there was a big shift away from huge galaxy spanning military forces, instead falling back to individual planetary defense forces with a smaller crisis response fleet standing by at the republic capital world of the time.

Finn thinks he will be chased across the galaxy for betraying his post. Of course he does, he's been indoctrinated to think if he turns traitor he'll be hunted to the ends of existence for his crimes, to keep him in line. Also please stop calling him a janitor, he was a soldier assigned sanitation duty. Because real soldiers never have to sweep floors or dig latrines right?

Bitching about Phasma not being more important. You know for a list of 40 plot holes, they sure list a lot of things that are not plot holes but instead just general bitching.

Convenient rift on exploding planet opens, ending final saber battle. Again, not plot hole. Kinda cheap resolution, but not a plot hole.

Han quickly finds the Falcon just after it launched. He quickly explains that he tracked the unique engine signature of his old ship, which he's been specifically scanning for and picked it up as soon as they launched.

Blowing up Starkiller Base with intel given by the 'janitor' (there's that word again) Most likely anyone assigned to that facility would be given a basic briefing on it. Even if not, it likely took years to build and Finn was probably there for most of it. He could easily have seen it under construction.

Participating in one massacre makes Finn betray. You know for a list that constantly claims Finn is a janitor who never did anything but sweep floors, it's odd they now demand to know why he's not been on constant front line puppy kicking duty.

I would go on, but I'm getting tired of this stupid list, so this will have to do.

>>44365063
The stories you read, and the universe they created is no less interesting or valid as a form of media. It's effectively just an AU now. It's like feeling as though all time spent watching Star Trek was wasted with the JJ Abrams movies.

>>44366919
Bullshit, the only good parts of that film were the bits that weren't just trying too hard to be A New Hope.

>>44363269
the Empire already called itself the New Order

>>44366400
BEN WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO THE JEDI?

>>44369952
Would have lost the Third Reich parallel though

>>44366400
"BEN WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO THE JEDI?"

>>44363605
That's what Obi Wan calls it in A New Hope, bruh.

>>44370748
Not him, but Force Awakens was never gong to be a film in its own right, it's inexorably tied to the franchise; both the liked original movies and the hated prequels, and can't help but be compared to them.

The thing is, nostalgia goggles are what would lead you to thinking the original movies were any better in many of the aspects that are complained about here. Fact is, they're crammed with plot holes and stupid dialogue, but it doesn't matter because they're pulpy adventure stories with heart that manage to be engaging regardless. That is why people like FA, it manages to approximate that kind of tone, which was what people had come to expect of a star wars movie before the prequels altered their expectations.

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This more or less says you like SW not for any internal consistency or setting, but because "fun shit happens in space and I'm just here for the ride."
>I don't want to call you something as pithy as casual, but here it fits you.
Are you blind or just stupid? This has always been the reason people like star wars. Watch the original trilogy sometime, they're a nonsensical mess if you pick them to bits as people are want to, but they're goddamn fun and enjoyable.

>>44363481
that just reminds me of why we play all jedi / no jedi.

so the smuggler doesn't come in and just wreck the melee weapon user from a far.