Horus Heresy 30k general: Edgar Allan Wolverine Primarch edition

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Leading the fight with righteous fury purifying all that stand against his word

>>44313392
I think you got lost.

>>44313392
Reminder that Sisters of Battles literally started out as whores and are so out of date nothing will be lost when GW finally decides to squat them out of mercy.

>>44313431
sounds like heresy to me

>>44313448
More like the Emperor's work. The Emperor does not want to be worshiped, Sisters of Battle are the real heresy. Or at least until they swap their habits for fedoras.

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>>44313492
>>44313492

Templars deep striking into this heresy

>>44313392
You don't exist yet.

Piss off.

>>44313492
>>44313579
>The Emperor does not want to be worshiped

Reminder that the Emperor has no convictions or ideals besides doing anything and everything to keep mankind alive and prospering. He used anti-theism to starve the gods and failed, so now he conquers the warp one psyker and one believer at a time.

So HH fluff question.

I'm starting an Imperial Fists army, and I'm going to paint a Legion Champion soon. Would is be more fluffy to give him Yellow Armor or dd Legion Champions wear black armor like the Templars?

Or were Legion Champions picked out from the Templars?

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>>44313492
The emperor comprises all knowledge of the seeds of truth planted long ago. All those who spring forth from this insult to humanity are abominations standing against the word of the almighty. All will be cleansed in holy fire for the final chapter will be written in the blood of millions bringing the dawn of a new order across the galaxy!

>>44313683

He would wear yellow, unless he was a templar, in which case he would wear black.

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>>44313683
Both work I guess, FW seems to paint theirs yellow but he also has a black tabard that may signify that hes part of the Templar Bros so it really is up to you.

>>44313416
>>44313630
Through faith all things are possible.

>>44313683
>>44313835
>>44313861
Templars were veterans comprising the 1st company and wore the black. Templar's cross was a mark of veterancy and it was prominent no matter the company.

>>44314355
Faith?
Are you one of the Lorgar madmen?

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>>44318590
You know, some of you Ultramarines are pretty good guys, you should totally go to Calth tomorrow.

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Daemonology

Audio Week: Blades of the Traitor – Day 1

Chagrined by his defeat at the hands of Jaghatai Khan, Mortarion abandons the pursuit of the White Scars and instead leads the Death Guard in a spiteful, punitive rampage across the systems of the Prosperine empire. Finally, on Terathalion, the truth of Mortarion’s sinister heritage will be exposed, and the future of the XIV Legion will be written...

>>44319777
defeat? wut?

they very clearly stalemated m8y

>>44319777
M8 blades of the traitor was released b4 as a book

I want to start up Blood Angels using the Angels Wrath ROW and use Assault Marines as troops however I've heard that they are overcosted, is it worth just replacing them with tacs with combat blades in the flying DT?

I made a pretty bad-ass looking praetor with a thunder hammer for my IV but he hasn't really been getting his points back. I'm a little bit bitter about it.

>>44320267
But his goal of getting the Khan to turn to Horus failed.

>>44320270
People like different medias.

>>44321300
That's kinda the problem with praetors, in my experience. The easiest way to earn their points back is to kill the other guy's preator, which pretty much requires a paragon blade and whatever little trick your legion gives to help. Otherwise, you need to absolutely murder infantry.

What's the rest of your usual kit for him, and how do you usually deliver him?

>>44321404
I'm considering just using a delegatus consul in place of a Praetor . Way cheaper and you still get your master of the legion rule

>>44321329
True, and his fleet got routed.

I was just thinking of their personal duel.

>>44321404
Typically with the thunder hammer and an Iron Halo, often footslogging with some Tyrant Siege termies. I tried it with a command squad in a rhino for a while, but I've actually had more success with him hiding in the termies, since people tend to try to bumbrush them to get them to stop firing.

I may not need to bring him with the ROW centurion though.

>>44321749
Yeah, might be the better option. I can't speak to IW in particular, but you usually want your praetor up in melee as quick as possible, thus a transport and a good bodyguard unit (Never been a huge fan of the command squad though, not sure why). Problem is, you want your termies blowing the crap out of the enemy, so hoofing it is their best choice, but doesnt help the praetor get to the enemies he needs to fight. Sadly, as a salmander my go to is stick him and firedrakes in a spartan and laugh.

>>44321818
They have often been the target of choice for my opponent's (NL, UM, IF) Praetor's, so his greatest success has been challenging enemy's Prator's to keep them from digging into the Tyrants, and half the time he survives their paragon blades and Instant Deaths them out of the contest.

The other half the time he loses his head.

I guess such is life. I'd lose to your EW guy though.

>>44321913

I just wish that there were more options for Praetor's, there are so many cool praetor equivalents that act as force multipliers its incredibly annoying that the only build for the base one is death machine

>>44323226

It's the issue with having a generic HQ in a game designed around faction specific rules. I would be totally fine with a selection of command options for each legion and their praetors but that's a big rules undertaking

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I'm just about done building my HH army, but I'm not sure on what unit to attach Sevatar to, a Command Squad, or Veteran Tacticals.

I plan to have them in a Rhino with an attached Apothecary.

The Command Squad is 250 points for 5 models with Combi-weapons and kitted for CC.
The Veterans are 205 points for 8 models, with just the Sergeant kitted out. And they have a Nuncio-Vox, which is nice because I also have 2 drop pods.

Im leaning toward the Veterans. WS 4 isnt much of a drop from WS 5. 3 more wounds, cheaper, and the Sergeant has a 2+ with a Powerfist.

Veterans right? Maybe even throw a power sword on one of them.

>pic semi related, 1st squad I built for the army

Horus heresy medusas have barrage, right? so wouldnt that make them halfway decent at ending flareshield spartans, since they hit side armour with 2 dice to pen drop the lowest

>>44325371
Works fine for my Iron Warriors.

>>44325296
Sounds good. Then again, I'm the guy who just doesn't like command squads. My concerns are with the rhino as your box of choice, since no assaulting out of it, and I can't remember if the Vox works while in a transport.

>>44325296
Artificer Armour for the entire squad is nothing to sneeze at.

So the jigsaw is Corvus, right? I can see the RG emblem on the left piece, and they wouldn't hold a regular special character for months to reveal at a special celebration thing.

>>44325621
The wingtip makes it painfully obvious, yes :)

Very much hope there's also going to be a sweet alternate post istvan version.

>>44325500
All I have access to are the Rhino, Land Raider Proteus, or Drop Pod - none of which are assault vehicles.

>>44325568
Thats one of the things Im hung up on. Is five Marines with a 2+ better than seven Marines with a 3+ (and a 2+ Sergeant) ?
They're also more of an offensive threat, but 45 points more expensive.

But for some reason I always feel like more models is better in most situations.

>>44325802
put the heavy bolter turret back in and tah-dah, you have a phobos?

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>>44325893
Sorry that was unclear, I didnt mean access to model-wise. I mean the only transports I can take are a Proteus (Command Squad only), a Rhino, or a Drop Pod.

If I took a Breacher Squad I could field a Phobos - but it has a 10 model capacity, and a Breacher Squad is minimum 10 models. So no Sevatar or Apothecary.

>>44325885
Well, a command squad is pretty decent and probably benefits more from being kitted out. 2+ saves as well as fearless is kind of a big deal, not taking up a FO slot can matter too.

That said, there is no need to give your Praetor a bodyguard squad, sticking him with troops is often good enough. That also has the added benefit of having more points for scoring units.

>>44325993
I'm not following you. The Rites that allow your Land Raider transports allow both Phobos and Proteus.

If you want to stick an Apothecary with the squad and put them in a transport as well I'd just go for the command squad.

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>>44326171
>I'm not following you. The Rites that allow your Land Raider transports allow both Phobos and Proteus

Right, but I have to use the Night Lords RoW because I'm fielding Sevatar.

>>44313700
Keepah

>>44326350
Well, you don't 'have to'.

Still not getting it though.. Why agonise about Land Raider transports when you can only take one through a Heavy support slot?

Anyway, since you are going with the entire Night Lords circus, maybe put him with one of your Terror Squads in a drop pod? Podding while Night Fighting is in effect should make you feel a little safer.

I'm loving that the Scars finally got some real character development. It's nice having some reasonable characters where their lack of fanaticism doesn't ironically doom them.

>>44326525
Yeah Im considering that too.

I wasnt agonising over a LR transport though. Some anon suggested I take an assault vehicle and I was just pointing out that I couldnt.

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Started reading Scars, can someone explain me, do marines trained on Terra get some other stock of gene-seed or what?

>>44327732

Terran marines get the gene seed of the legion they were originally slated to join. So yeah that dude probably had Horus in him.

>>44325802
Drop pods, being open-topped, are assault vehicles. And while you still can't assault the turn you deep strike, the 30k drop pod is missing, perhaps intentionally, the little rule that says you immediately disembark after placing it.

>>44327877
Standard drop pods aren't assault vehicles, dreadnought pods and Dreadclaws are.

>>44327994

Open topped nigga.

>>44327994
Please look up 'Open-topped' in your main rule book, and then re-read my post.

>>44327770
Thanks anon.

Speaking of Terran marines, is there any list of where recruits usually hail from?

I think I remember that Luna Wolves recruits from Siberia, War Hounds where I think from Bible Belt or something.

>>44327994
>Standard drop pods aren't assault vehicles

Open topped vehicles ARE assault vehicles, you can move 6'' and assault and even if they werent you can still assault out of a drop pod (A turn after it lands) as its immobile, same with rhinos or any other vehicle.

>>44328063
Are you sure it's not the other way around? I'm pretty sure Kharn was Siberian.

>>44327877
Don't see anything stopping you from entering a pod either. So, basically, you got an AV12 open topped bunker.

>>44328125
Khan was Mongolia, China and co.

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>>44328177
I'm stupid, read Khan. Maybe you're right, maybe I got it backwards.

>>44328055
>>44328060
>>44328087
Oh, really. Didn't know that (obviously), not a 40k guy. How can you assault of rhinos though? I thought they removed that years ago? (back when I last played 40k)

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>>44328226
You can't, unless you're Space Wolves.
Do you think we'll get rules for open topped Rhinos for them? I doubt it.

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>>44328285
>transport
>open-topped
>twin machine guns on top

Will it be amphibious as well?

>>44328063

Keep in mind 30k Earth is a barren wasteland outside of its cities and palaces, old earth culture is very vague and doesn't necessarily exist as we think of it.

That being said its specifically stated that the Khan recruits Mongolian and Chinese genotypes. The wannabe Luna Wolf got huffy about that.

>>44328063
It's not going to be one for one. The lack of oceans and the multiple nuclear wars will have pretty much changed the culture and landscape to things fairly incomprehensible to modern day.

A quick insignia question - are companies/chapters delineated by shoulder pads at all anymore? I wanted to run a Heresy IF army but I really like the look of the 3rd company with red borders.

>>44328525

Yea, at least the Ultramarines did. If Iremember correctly the IF did something similar but you could definitely get away with it

>>44328525
Insignia amongst the legions are extremely non-standard. There are dozens of variant color schemes, alternate honor displays, and unique campaign and specialist insignia across every single legion. If you want them to have red boarders, go right ahead.

>>44328590

I just flipped through Tempest yesterday and every Ultramarine I saw was blue with gold trim.

>>44328376
>Will it be amphibious as well?
Does it look like a Chimera?

>>44328590
Border color for company wasn't a thing until after the second founding. Legions used pretty much any method of display they wanted, for any reason.

>>44328624
Because if it's not a chimera, it can't be amphibious?

>>44328632
>Day 31, Calth
>Have finally finished repainting armor with a multitude of highly detailed human and equine phalluses
>Command has assured us that these new uniform changes are entirely in line with the Codex Astartes
>Am beginning to harbor doubts about the Praetor's genetic linneage
>I fear this mess is all an elaborate and highly unfunny joke concocted by Alpha Legion plants for reasons unknown

>>44328660
Very good adept, we'll make a magos out of you yet.

Now get back to hitting the incense with a wrench in synchronicity to the holy rhythm.

>>44328610

I swear I saw Ultramarines with green trim getting their shit annihilated by Lorgar in art

>>44328632

I think it's by chapter in 30k but I'm no Ultramarines expert

>>44328730
>Codex Astartes
Also wasn't a thing.

Am I the only one thinking that there's pretty much no way Khan is going to be anything over than terrifyingly good on the board? He's going to be on a jet bike, he'll be T7, he'll have primarch weaponry and he's fluffed as being one of the top tier swordsmen even amongst Primarchs.

Not even mentioning that his Sire rule will probably have something to do with making everyone even faster

What units can take Grav-Guns? Because I dont see any in the Crusade Army list that can.

>>44329386
Support Squads, Breachers, Rapiers (Cannon).
Among others.

>>44329061
He'll be on foot

>>44329061
He's going to be the fastest primarch, therefore unable to be locked in CC as whatever else is as fast as him isnt as durable as a primarch. He's going to be a monster even if he isnt as good as Angron or Horus in close comabt.

>>44329498
>>44329061
The Khagan surfs land raiders

>>44329061
All the pprimarch's are on foot standard and at least one has a tank upgrade, I'm sure Kahn will be t6 on foot and have an upgrade to a bike or jet bike and will then be t7.

>>44329508
Then Magnus comes around and one shots any primarch including Khan from across the battlefield with his anti-titan psychic ability. He best.

Then Russ comes around and knees Magnus, so if Magnus was best then Russ is now bester.

And then we all realize Mortarion is laughable and we all laugh at Mortation. He sad.

>>44329386
>>44329413
And some more:
Techmarine Covenants
Dreadnought (normal and Contemptor), as Fist mounted guns).
Land Speeder Squadron

btw: my mistake on the Support squads, they can't take them, confused with certain Volkite weapons.

>>44329606
Vulkan is going to get that Draigo perpetual shit, oh im all out of wounds? on a 2+ i come back with half my starting wounds.

>>44329386
By grav guns do you mean 40k grav or GRAVITON guns?

>>44329581
Perterabo has a personal Baneblade and Dorn has a personal thunderhawk I can see Khan getting a similar deal

>>44329498

This is silly

>>44329581

This is reasonable

>>44329629
>Vulkan is going to get

He already is one of the tankiest primarchs.

>>44329606
>LaughingLorgar.jpeg

Son your getting rekt by my dark brethren

>>44329618
Ah Breachers. I was wondering why FW sold the blister pack of Grav guns in the Horus Heresy >accessories >weapons page. Too bad support or heavy support squads cant take them.

>>44329703
a maximum of 4 for a full 20 man squad, I imagine a full squad of 10 graviton guns would be far too lethal, on average you'd be vaporizing a Land Raider per turn (a glancing hit on a 2-5 and a penetrating hit on a 6), no vehicle would be safe... like, at all.

>>44329606
DG player here and Morty fucking stinks against other primarchs. At least he is tanky as shit and can perform magic tricks.

JAGHATAI KHAN, The Khagan, The Great Khan, The Warhawk
385pts
WS 9 BS 6 S 6 T 6 W 6 I 8 A 5 Ld 10 Sv 2+

Infantry (Character)

1 (Unique)

Wargear:
The Dao of the Warhawk : S user Ap 2 Melee Hunters prey
Hunters prey: When warlord traits are chosen Jaghatai Khan may choose one enemy unit, when in close-combat with that unit, or any Independent Characters attached at the start of the game Jaghatai Khan re-rolls to hitand to wound rolls against that unit
Cloak of the Warhawk: This armour provide Jaghatai Khan with a 2+ Armour save and a 5+ Invulnerable save, in addition it gives Jaghatai D3 hammer of wrath rolls
The Quings: (Jaghatai carries three of these mighty spears) Range 12'' S 8 AP 1 one use only

Special rules:
Primarch
Bulky
Preferred enemy: Infantry
Sire of the White Scars: Jaghatai Khan and the unit he joins gains the Crusader Special rule all modles with the Legionne Asartes (White Scars) gain +1 Ld
When Jaghatai Khan is the Warlord all models with the Legionne Asartes (White Scars) gain the Outflank special rule, any that already had the Outflank special rule may assault the turn they come on from reserves

>>44329703
>>44329618

IH can take them on anything that can take a flamer

>>44329889
Graviton guns are 18" and +15 points. That's a shit load of points for a short-ranged gun. You'd have to buy the unit a ride, and then you're looking at far more than a land raider and those poor sods will fold at the first medusa shell to fall on their head... or the myriad other AP2/3 weapons in 30k.

>>44330039
>5+ invuln
its trash

>>44330039
Jaghatai Khan may purchase a Jetbike with a heavy bolter for 30 pts

>>44330074
Same as Corax's

>>44330081
Just a run of the mill jetbike? The fuck is this shit, some hobo primarch or something? Nigger, give the Khan a proper ride.

>>44330092
Exactly. Sub-primarch garbage.

>>44330039

I think crusader or outflank something similar will be the legion tactics of the white scars since that's already what it is in 40k. Khan needs something different.

Give all vehicles fast or allow bikes to move D6 in the assault phase.

>>44330100
Agreed. He should ride two dickbikes at the same time.

>>44330092
and like corax's, is insufficient and lame
like seriously, even a centurion can have a better invuln than that for cheap

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>>44330153

>MFW the Khan rides the only jet powered surfboard in the Imperium

>>44330114
Fragile speedster is a trope dammit
>>44330100
Fine then
In games of 2500 points or more the Khan may take Эзэн хaaн бaхapхaл for 285 this is a Land raider Phobos with the Fast vehicle and It will not die special rules and the armoured ceremite and extra ermour upgrades

>>44330296
>fragile speedster is a trope damnit
shoot yourself please

>>44330039
>>44330296
I think I'll point out that I made this up on the spot same with Russ yesterday

>>44330324

They're both a bit bog standard

>>44330296
And you think something is good because it's a trope?

>>44330039
Wait, stick HoW on his special rules

>>44330632
You gave him an item of wargear that grants d3 Hammers of Wrath.

>>44326350
Sevetar has a helmetless option?

>>44330721
Yes, I did
Thought I was correcting future RAW arguments there but I wasn't

>>44330799
>correcting RAW arguments in the future
>implying anyone will use your stupid homebrew

>>44330966
You are getting awfully butt flustered over this.

>>44330092
>>44330114
You have to hit him first

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What brand of dice do you use?

>>44325296
>heavy chainsword
>brandishing it menacingly, like he's about to smash some fucker with a baseball bat

Excellent.

>>44331748
I use dice. Why the fuck does it matter? Why are you asking in a HH thread?

>>44331748
The game uses d6's. We just use whatever d6's we've come into the possession of through whatever means.

>>44329636
>this is silly
They did it to fucking khorsarro khan...

>>44337526
>khorsarro khan
FW didn't.

>>44314355
>>44331748
If I had the time/money I would source some nice casino dice. Rounded edges on d'6s cause you to roll more ones typically. GW dice statistically roll 1's about 1/5 th of the time so fuck that.

I would add the data from my source but I am on my phone so fuck it

>>44337680
>casino dice
Aren't they more designed for bouncing off cushioned walls?

>>44331748
My store only sells Chessex dice, so that's what I buy.

>>44337801
ehh I think the hard edges make it as close to 1/6 odds as possible

>>44337858
If they roll.

>>44337680
>GW dice statistically roll 1's about 1/5 th of the time so fuck that.

Why?

Does /tg/ have a collection of the audiobooks stowed somewhere?

>>44338034
Yeah but only for 4chan gold members

>>44338016
Google it, it has in fact been tested by people with two much time on their hands.

Casino dice don't have rounded edges or pips which gives them a much more even rolling surface. They're also made to far tighter tolerances so no air bubbles or surface warping.

On the other hand they're fairly expensive, especially unused, because rounded corners and pips save about a third of a d6's worth of material.

>>44338109
>because rounded corners and pips save about a third of a d6's worth of material.

Rounded dice with drilled pips are tumbled, so all that "saved" plastic is wasted anyway. They're paying for the full amount of plastic on the untumbled dice. I don't know why casino dice cost so much more and why tumbled dice are so cheap, but I do know that even if you bought crisp precision dice, you would ruin them playing 40k anyway, as you need padded walls to roll casino dice off of for true randomness. Even dice rolling walls with little foam pyramid patterns to create more random trajectories.

When's the next batch of jigsaw pieces coming out? I'm frothing

>>44338867
Me too, they updated that shit last night at like 1 or 2 EST. They bamboozled me with this because here I am at 3:30AM mashing F5.

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Oh FUG

>>44339302
I'm a little annoyed Corax doesn't come with Hit&Run standard.

Sure with the 5++ save he's not going to be that great against Primarchs but he can put out up to 13 ap2 hits at I8 on the charge.

>>44338398
>I don't know why casino dice cost so much

Quality control.

>"saved" plastic is wasted anyway

Because you can't reuse it?

>>44339302
>it's dorn cuz it has eagle wings

>>44339390
It still might not be him. Doesn't look "eventful" enough for a Primarch.
Remember, we got Pollux last Crimbus.

>>44339401

No no, because he said rounded dice are cheaper because the company "saves on plastic", but the thing is, the company still has to pay for the corner plastic, they just throw it away. Basically, it would cost Chessex and other companies no extra money if they sold us non-round dice. I think the guy at Gamescience said they tumble them to make them uniform though, so if Chessex didn't round their dice corners, they would not be perfect squares.

>>44339426
>>44339428
Ok.

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>>44339390
Corax does indeed have Hit & Run as a special rule.

>>44339467
Motherfucker, I'll just go back to sleep.

>>44339428
But there's no such thing as a raven guard special character with a jump pack.
And in any case I don't see FW drawing out any models reveal other than a Primarch's.

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Hows this for a 3k Death Guard list?
RoW- The Reaping

LoW----

Mortarion + 3 Deathshroud w/ melta bombs

HQ---- Marshal Durak


Elites ----

x2 Apothecary with augury scanners and Artificer armor (both with taticals squads)

Comtemptor mortis w/ x2 Kheres + havoc Launcher


Troops---

x15 Tacticals, Serg w/ Power fist, Artificer Armor, Rad Grenades

x15 Tacticals, Serg w/ Power fisrt, Artificer Armor, Rad Grenades

x10 Heavy support squad w/ Missile launchers, Serg w/ Artificers + Rad grenades


Heavy Support----

x5 Grave Wardens w/ chain firsts

Spartan Assault Tank w/ Flare shield, armored ceramite, Havoc launcher

x2 Legion Medusas

I figured two medusas is probably a good idea for laying down lots of hazardous terrain.

>>44339729
woops forgot. It should be two 10 man heavy support squads not one

>>44325701

They're supposedly going to do Daemon Primarchs, don't see why they wouldn't do changed Loyalist Primarchs too.

>>44339428

Atia seems pretty confidant about it being Corax and she has sources who are in the know.

>>44339729
Whos Morty going with in the Spartan?

>>44339729
I kinda like it. Seems fluffy.

You could probably shave some points here and there. Heavy support sergeants don't really need all those upgrades, consider shaving them and buying those squads a wall to hide behind.

Depending on how much you value Rask's force amplification, you could cut him and use Mortarion's Deathshroud as HQ rather than retinue.

You are probably taking the Contemptor for the cool factor, which I appreciate. Buying Flak missiles for your heavy support is going to give you better AA though, and you are not really lacking in the infantry destruction department.

Doing all those things, you'd have some 300 pts to spend on additional stuff like a fortification, possibly an extra medusa, an additional squad of something, whatever.

>>44339861
Oh, forgot to mention if you buy a fortification, you can add things like an ammo dump for 20pts to give all models within 2" rerolls on 1's when shooting. Worth doing imo, those squads are expensive and fairly fragile.

>>44339426
>its Alpharius

>>44339891
Cool Thanks for the advise. I never considered using fortification even The Reaping allows it.

>>44339911
what has Alpha legion been up to in the heresy?

>>44329641
im using hyperbole, mangus will not be able to 1 hit kill any primarch.

>>44339801
Aria was the one who said it wasn't corax about 3 weeks ago, saying it was dorn or alphy

>>44339911
No alpharius is going to be a two part release, part 1 is an ork painted to look like an alpharius. Then you get part 2 for free the actual model.

>>44340283
Given their capacity for misinformation, just about anything and nothing. It's a little hard to tell really. Which is exactly as planned.

>>44340434
I want to play them as I really like their scheme but I also wish I had more character to go on like the sons of horus etc have

>>44340440
A dash of Spartacus, a sprinkle of immature dicks, and a heavy dose of inferiority complex.

Besides that, read their fluff piece in HH3. Iirc Legion wasn't a terrific book so you might want to skip that.

>>44340394

No, she has consistently said the next Primarch was Corax, with Dorn or Alpharius coming next.

>>44340440
well there's the big Siege they did at the start on Paramar, and I imagine "Legion" from the Horus Heresy books fleshes them out a little further too.
I'm an AL player as well, and am also still learning about them, there's a lot of cloak and dagger stuff surrounding them.

>>44340491
My understanding from reading a short story of them is they are overly complex plans within plans and infiltrating their own ranks even.
They might not be big on magic like thousand sons but they still seem very tzeentch.

>>44339302
Anyone from Middle Zealand got the rest of the pic yet?

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>>44340525
>>44340440

Put pic related together with my elite copypaste skills. Besides that read the stuff in HH3 I guess.

>>44339302

>Simple rubble base instead of a wrecked Titan or some shit

Praise Jeebus and Santa

>>44340640

I think FW updates all of their sites at the same time, unlike GW.

>>44340718
Nupe
Last time i was here someone from over there got hold of the next day one

>>44339435
First of all, pretty sure those dice are made by moulding, so they got round corners from the get-go. Pips are probably made similarly. So yes, you do save on plastic since you never have sharp corners on them to begin with. It's little on individual dice, but when you're making them by the thousands, the savings add up. I remember one documentary where they added a slight angle to a bevel on soda cans and it saved them a ton of aluminium per 100,000 cans.

But lets assume they do make square dice that are rounded. You do realize plastics can be recycled, right? If they take the shaved off part and use it elsewhere, it's not wasted nor throw away. The manufacturer does not lose on it.

pick my legion. Night lords, Raven Guard, Ultramarines or White Scars.

>>44340896
Space Wolves.

>>44340896
White Scars, haven't seen them too much.

>>44337680
>>44338109
Surely the pips would mean the heavier dice faces are morely to turn up on the bottom and the lighter faces on the top? Ie the one with the least material removed, the 1, is the least likely roll and the 6, with six whole pips cut out, is the most likely.

>>44339729
I like it, although I will observe a lack of bodies on the ground. The sole Spartan is also vulnerable, as all the enemie's serious anti-tank will be pointed at it. Buying every Grave Warden a chainfist is probably unecessary, so with those saved points you could add a few more men to the tacs and heavies. After that I guess I'd just bulk up with some more weight for the Payload.

>>44340525
I remember suddenly realising that the Alphas were more Tzeentch than the 'Sons about six years ago or so. Since then I've been open to the idea that perhaps Tzeentch is a schizophrenic god and so can be worshipped in two or more ways for its seperate personalities. Or perhaps this is true for all the chaos gods - if only the undivided Legions could fit so neatly, like if the Night Lords were Slaanesh or something.

Anyway yeah the Alpha's are elaborate misdirection and espionage dicks who use decoys, scammer and conman-esque psych tactics and Hegel's dialect to fuck with the enemy's heads, perhaps because they have a mission or perhaps because they're just weenies. No-one knows, which only pours fuel on the conspiracy bonfire.

>>44340976
Wonder why that would be....
That said aren't they supposed to get rules in feb or march?

>>44340896
Raven Guard; buy into the Corax hype and annoy your opponents with Edgar Allan Poe quotes.

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>>44339302
Night Haunter confirmed guyss, get hyped!!

>>44341094

BA, DA, and WS are supposed to get rules and RoW, possibly Legion wargear, in the next book which is rumored to come out in February. No Legion specific units or characters though.

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>>44339302
I'm gonna make completely out-of-the-blue guess and say Sanguinus, because why the hell not.

Although for Sanguinus I think I'd prefer his mini to be slaying a daemon rather than some random traitor marine.

>>44340896

White scars. The fun marines

30k related music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ape2PVnzOl8
I will never understand why so much fan music comes from Russians.

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Finishing my final unit today, painting starts tonight. This is my first list for p/u games at the flgs. Any deficiencies?
2500/2500 Terror Assault RoW

(175) Sevatar

(254) Terror Squad x10: Volkites x5, Flamer, Heavy Chainsword, Bolter x2, Chainglaive + Artificer
(254) Terror Squad x10: Volkite x5, Flamer, Heavy Chainsword, Bolter x2, Chainglaive + Artificer
(180) Terror Squad x5: Chainglaive + Artificer, Drop Pod
(210) Tactical Support Squad x5: Plasma Gun x5, Rhino

(65) Apothecary: Combi-Plasma, Artificer
(55) Apothecary: Artificer
(250) Contemptor: CC Claws x2, Graviton Gun x2, Drop Pod
(260) Veteran Tacticals x6: Plasma Gun, Power Sword x2, Power Axe x2, Nuncio-Vox, Combi-Plasma, Chainglaive + Artificer, Rhino w/Extra Armor

(160) Jetbike x3: Meltabombs, Multi-Melta
(410) Night Raptors x13: Power Axe x3, Power Sword x2, Chainglaive x3

(220) Deredeo Dreadnought: AutoCannons, Aiolos Missile Launcher

Apothecaries attach to the 10 man infiltrating Terror Squads to make use of turn one A Talent for Murder.
Sevatar drops in with the 5 man Terror Squad. Vets go flat out turn 1 to make use of Nuncio-Vox for the two drop pods.

Is this ok, or a mess? Never played 40k or HH before but Ive been reading all the rulebooks and fiction for the past 4-5 years. 1st game on New Years day, Im nervous.

>>44342096
Looks okayish, but I'm not sure you fully understand how drop pods work. Half (rounded up) your number of drop pods automatically arrive on the first turn. This means that you are highly incentivised to take an odd number of pods. This also means that, unless you choose to pod within 12" of your deployment zone, nuncio-voxes have no effect on drop pods. You could, however, put something with a nuncio-vox in a drop pod and have it arrive on turn 1, then use that to guide your future reserves rolls.

I'm not sure how you arrived at the points cost for your Contemptor. 175 base, 0 for extra ccw, 30 for 2 graviton guns, 65 for drop pod = 270.

The Dreadnought Pod lets you do some 'fun' things though. Night Fight on a 2+ gives all night lords a 6+ cover save, + stealth = 5+, +shrouded if LoS has to be drawn through a dreadnought pod = a nice 3+ cover save when they first come down, if you pay attention to positioning.

Lastly: remember to have fun, it's about the hobby. Hope you have a likeminded opponent.

So did all the major Ork tribes that exists in 40k also exists in 30k? Because I find the idea of a 30k Blood Axe army to be pretty cool.

>>44342432
Yes.

>>44342498
Cool.

I kinda wish FW would make rules for looted 30k tech.

>>44341977
Maybe they identify with the dystopian setting and watching everything go to hell? Could also be because they bootleg a lot? Maybe Horus reminds them of Horus?

>>44339715
Even though last year's jig saw was Pollux?

>>44342653
Primarch of the Crimson Fists, much cooler.

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I often use Breacher Squads and find them to be satisfactory if not superb. Other players, especially those who recently got into the game with BaC and have been reading alot of online guides, have told me that they think they are bad.

Thoughts?

>>44342920
Depends on what Legion you're running. Outside of ZM games and Imperial Fist's Stone Gauntlet RoW, they're not that great. If you like them, keep on using them.

>>44342920
Their point cost is very prohibitive. However, some durability on your scoring units may be very good for you. If you are an Imperial Fists player and are able to have them all at T5 then their cost may be justified.

I'm not a fan either. Tacticals may be too vanilla for some, and Assault Squads are also expensive, and 'fragile' too boot.

Use what works for you. If nothing else they're a lot better for sitting on an objective.

>>44343029
I play Iron Warriors.

I like them because I tend to field quad rapiers, tyrant siege guard, and one big tactical blob for fury of the legion; the Breachers have been sort of useful as the squad that wanders outside of my boardedge to go for objectives, not really drawing as much hate so long as my bigger guns are on the table and sort of annoying for my more melee centric regular opponents (NL, WB, IF Templar Guy) to attempt to deal with.

Like I said, not spectacular but fluffy and good objective nabbers.

I sometimes feel like I'm doing something wrong, though.

>>44343145
If they work for you, then you're doing it right. It may not be optimal, but as long as you enjoy it, go for it. And it is fluffy for IW. Endurance over everything else is your jam.

>>44343145
As an example, while I'm no fan of Breacher squads I do really like Land Speeders and will take them whether they are particularly good or not.

Suboptimal =/= thrash.

>>44326350
Someone forgot night lords have jet black eyes.

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>>44343443
Someone forgot Raven Guard are the ones with jet black eyes.

>>44342368
Oh I didnt know a drop pod could come in turn 1. Scatter up to 12" seems like drop pods are super risky though. Do I have to bring a drop pod in on turn 1? Or can I wait until the Vets in the Rhino get as far as they can during turn 1, and then drop both pods 6" inches from there on turn 2?

>>44343443
Nostromans had no iris didn't they?

>>44343782
Inertial guidance pretty much guarantees that you won't hit anything and land safely. Pods are probably the safest method of deepstriking in the game.

>>44327770
No he hadn't been implanted yet he was in the trials

>>44343782
You have to being some in turn 1. Open up the book and check out the Drop Pod Assault rule in the drop pod entry.

>>44343782
Inertial Guidnance system means they cannot explode by crashing into terrain or enemy models.

And yes, half your drop pods must arrive on turn 1. And units arriving from reserve happens before any other movement. This is generally considered an upside as nobody (read: alpha legion) gets to fuck with your reserve rolls when they do. Anyway, the point was: take either 1 drop pod and have it arrive on turn 1, or 3 to get 2 on turn 1 and the third in reserve.

>>44343837
Yeah all black iris/pupil. Still have the white area iirc.

>>44341828
As cool as that would be, you can see the RG icon on his right leg.

>>44343909
Ok that makes sense. I'll find a way to get a 3rd drop pod in there. Perhaps drop the Plasma guys' Rhino.

>>44328787
Sothan ultra marines added scythes to honour the agrifarmers who had colonised the world - so assumed to become scythes of the emperor

>>44343968
And make sure to get the dreadnought pod in on turn one while nightfighting is up to make use of that Shroud. Hell if were you I might even get a 2nd dreadnought pod in there just for that fact.

>>44343240
>>44343029

Do any of ALs mutable tactics make them work taking?

Counter attack, infiltrate or tank hunters on those grav guns?

>>44339801
Only 4 primarchs went daemon so if they arent doing the others with added chaos why change the loyalists when they didn't change themselves? Exception maybe in those primarchs like sanguinius who used eye icons

>>44344227
There are six daemon primarchs. Two of them are undivided.

>>44326525
>>44327498
Uh, whom rules is this dude using for Night lords?

>>44344227
>why change the loyalists when they didn't change themselves?

Corax has another loadout, which is him in a busted armor and armed with a heavy bolter going Rambo on traitors as he escapes to the exfil point. Dorn can also have another armament in future books as he can be seen with a lighting claw and has a sword when he boards the Vengeful Spirit, which he later breaks in half for his failure. Sanguinius may also need two models, one alive and the other dead, the Khan can also be two models, one in a jetbike and another walking or riding a fucking land raider.

There really isnt any reason for loyalists not to have two models if traitors get two.

>>44344227

6 daemon Primarchs and Alpharius is also literally two people.

>>44344602
What do you mean only 2? He's legion

>>44344184
Tank hunter+gravgun is a nonbo: you don't get to reroll your haywire.

Infiltrate is good on pretty much anything, especially fairly immobile and transport-gimped units like Breachers.
Counterattack synergises nicely with defensive grenades. If the scenario being played has you in a defensive position this is going to make people charging your unit pretty sad.

That said, it's not that much better than what those rules would mean for basic tacticals imo. If you take Autilon Skorr and have Breacher squads with both infiltrate and counterattack that could be interesting though...

>>44344227
If it were up to me, Khan would have a mounted and dismounted model. That’s the only obvious one – do the others, or don’t, I don’t think it matters. The same characters, largely unchanged but at a different battle or in a static pose, would still sell well.

Maybe they’ll do a traitor Lion and a loyalist Lion =p.

>>44345506

>=p

Die

>>44345573
you turned it into an angry smileyface.... >:(

>>44344383
Terror Assault Rite of War

>>44342653
Was it?
>>44342699
Dorn is the Primarch of the Crimson Fists
Polux is first ever chapter master

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Rolled 2, 1 = 3 (2d6)

Have any of you anons tried making your own characters? Either for a campaign or for the fuck of it? How did it work out? This is such a cool system, you could even make characters that are upgrades to a squad (Add 20pts to their individual cost, like a sergeant with a certain loadout/rules would be 55pts or something like that).

Im gonna roll for one

Castellan [Insert Name Here]-Delegatus of the Emperor's Champion. 145pts

2 Plasma Pistols, Artificer Armor, Melta Bombs.

Rolled 3 (1d6)

>>44345974

>>44345974

Has to be an independent character and an HQ

Rolled 4, 2, 4 = 10 (3d6)

>>44346059

Rolled 3 (1d6)

>>44346065
Yea youre right, got a bit carried away.

>>44345974
>>44346059
>>44346084
>>44346107

Castellan [Insert Name Here]-Delegatus of the Emperor's Champion. 145pts

2 Plasma Pistols, Artificer Armor, Melta Bombs.

WS6 BS5 S/T4 W2 I5 A3 Ld9 2+sv

Coordinated Reserves: Add +1 to all your reserve rolls as long as he is on the table.

Warlord Trait: Master of Ambush; Warlord and 3 non-vehicle units can infiltrate.

Cool stuff, still need to come up with a name.

>>44344481
>Sanguinius may also need two models, one alive and the other dead

Pray tell, what kind of stats and special rules would you give your Dead Sangy mini?

>>44346247
Special objective for a zone mortalis game, the blood angels must take back the body of their primarch and all models gain the Red Thirst and may reroll charge distances during the game but the BA player can only win the game if he gets to Sangui, otherwise its a defeat.

>>44344317
Only 4 during the heresy itself - not counting Horus who will get a new post warp gate model
It the other 4 alpha is unknown or dead, perturabo ascended after the heresy, Lorgar is wanking in his dungeon, curze died and didn't even try to ascend

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>>44345870

>>44339428
size of the legs

unless forgeworld has officially stopped giving a shit about scale

are the people saying that this jigsaw is anything other than Corax trolling? I seriously cant tell any more.

>>44346288
Huh. Interesting.
Would probably play, though I'm not sure if one type of game warrants certainly-expensive mini.

>captcha, Y U keep on asking me about streetsigns? Are you trying to tell me something?

>>44345974
My group was about to do a campaign using those rules. Though we picked the first roll after we made the character we wanted.

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>>44328624
tfw no legion gorgons

>>44339302

WHO'S THAT POKEMARCH

>>44347847
You can get two of those as a LoW.

>>44342578

That's a stupid idea if you knew anything about marines and old tech. There's a reason Fallout Raiders don't have X-01 power armor and plasma/gauss technology.

>>44347975
Yeah, but Orks figure out things like teleportation without actually understanding a lot about the actual,science of the technology.

Rolled 2, 2, 4, 4 = 12 (4d6)

>>44345974
I'll give it a shot.

Subutai (White Scars Praetor) - 270 pts +20pts
Jetbike, Mastercrafted Powerlance, Melta bombs, Iron halo, Digital Lasers, The Parthinian Serpent

I'll go with the Movement table, and the Strategic warlord traits.

>>44348113

They could also just be using like, the hull and tread mechanisms of a Fellglaive or similar vehicle, but the weapons and advanced stuff have been replaced with ork shell-based weaponry.

>>44348520
>Ruin-shield: The character and their unit add +1 to their cover save when in ruins of any type.
>Strategic Genius: You add +1 to any Seize the Initiative roll. In addition, whilst your Warlord is alive, you can re-roll any Reserve Rolls (failed or successful).
I don't think he'll be in ruins that often, especially with his jetbike.

>>44344829
What does skor do for you?

>>44349214

he lets you pick your strategic warlord trait

>>44347968
Not anymore, they're in the Cult and Militia army now.

>>44349375
So? Theyre still in an Imperial Armor which means marine legions get access to it.

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>>44349505
Read the rules sometime.

So what Knight Houses and Titan Legions would be most appropriate and fluffy to ally to each Legion?

>>44346782
Of course they all are (except the ones saying it'll be Alpharius).

However many eagles will end up on Dorn's armor, he won't be getting some dance-like dynamic pose.

>>44347847
Legions had Mastadons for large-scale troop conveyors.

>>44349613
But you can bring the crassus, right?

>>44349908
Yes. Until FW figures out they can sell more of them by putting in a HH era army list.

>>44349859
Also Thunderhawks/Storm Birds.

>>44349908
Anyone have a scan of the 2nd Ed of Doom of Mymeara? Curious what the updated Crassus rules are like. I'd totally take a Crassus in a SA army.

>>44349613
What counts as an era-specific counterpart?

>>44350354
I've got the book, there are no Crassus rules in it (it has a descriptive entry, but no rules).

>>44351119
Weird. So what would be the latest book to get the rules from? Hopefully not IA1:2e. It still has Structure points rather than HP in that book.

>>44350631
for example you couldn't take a Malcador because it's in the solar Auxilia list

>>44351236
Some people argue since the vehicle says "Auxilia" Malcador, it's not the same as the Malcador found in Imperial Armour books.

Those people are faggots and shouldn't be playing 30k.

Luckily, FW has acknowledged the rule can be misconstrued that way and have said they'll FAQ it.

>>44351191
Hm, just looked in Siege of Vraks 2nd Ed. they say look in IA: Apocalypse for the Crassus rules.

>>44351236
Gotcha, thanks. Is the Stormblade the only Shadowsword variant with a Legion variant so far?

I still think it's weird that Space Marines fit inside tanks that appear to have been designed for normal humans. Superheavy or not.

>>44351305
if it uses the same model it's the same thing IMO

>>44351422
That's my thinking as well. But you'll never get rid of the people who want to argue semantics.

>>44351236
There's a "Legion Malcador Assault Tank" entry in the first HH book.

>>44351461
The rules from Books 1-3 have been superseded by the Red Books. They got rid of the Legion Malcador then.

>>44351548
>They got rid of the Legion Malcador then.

lol no, its in the red books as an option for LoW.

>>44351419
they probably don't wear Armour inside, and even legion crews aren't always full marines IIRC or is that only a 40k thing?

>>44351461
Is there, missed that completely. Although I'm not a fan of the Malcador anyway, always preferred the look of the Macharius

>>44351605
Oh my mistake.

>>44351626
>or is that only a 40k thing?
I don't think it's a thing at all. Marine vehicle crews are explicitly Space Marines.

>>44351626
>>44351682

Well its only an option for LoW in a marine list, so you could have a legion baneblade crewed either by marines or serfs or members of the legion's mortal army.

>>44351682
I could of sworn armoured vehicle crews were chapter serfs in 40k

>>44351745
Might be thinking of their naval crews a la Battlefleet Gothic.

>>44351745
Not unless they've changed something.

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Gentlemen, I'm working on a XIII Legion army. The Ultras have had a few mentions of chapters that earn honorific titles during the Heresy, and when the Second Founding occurs those chapters use those honorifics as their chapter names. The Aurorans -> Aurora Chapter, as an example.

I want to build a XIIIth force that would eventually become the Genesis Chapter. http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Genesis_Chapter

Crowdsourcing any ideas for modelling/painting/fluff that will get the creativity flowing. Thoughts?

>>44352563

Also what is their chapter symbol supposed to be? Looks like a pair of hockey sticks.

>>44351745
Imperial Armour 2, 2nd edition, pg 104:
>The Fellblade was at one time often crewed by Legion serfs (...). In the 41st Millennium, however, such venerated war engines are only ever crewed by Space Marines (...).

>>44352593
http://cdn.bols.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/genesis_chapter_logo_sheet.jpg

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>>44352563
Here's a canon example of what you want, a marine from a certain company/chapter that eventually becomes a 40k chapter. So do it like this guy, one shoulder pad denoting his company but still painted as an IH, or in your case an UM with a red shoulder pad.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but these are the following events the books have to cover:
>Thramas Crusade (I think they might have done this)
>The Burning of Prospero
>The Fall of Mars
>The Siege of Terra (Parts I-X)
>The Destruction of Caliban
>Possible Great Scouring book
How many goddamn years is this gonna take before we see an E-Money model?

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>>44355106
Many, youre forgetting

>Signus Prime
>White Scars vs Orks/whoever else stands betweem them and Terra
>The rest of pic related, including the xxx bits

>>44355164
Man, what a shit year 005.M31 was.
Call him a faggot for his hubris, but Horus was a goddamn brilliant tactician.

>>44355164
All that porn...

>>44349828
>Dorn standing by a brick wall facing it.
DRAWFAGS ASSEMBLE!

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So here he is.

>>44356642
yup, that is Corvus Corax alright...

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>>44356642
Surprised they didn't keep his Thulsa Doom haircut.

>>44356692
It's just windy when when you're flying through the air.

>>44356642
Do want. Need to find a suitable helmet though. I wonder if he has swappable hands? His panalopy is a lot of variosu weapons he keeps on him. Whip, claws, two pistols, etc. That would be amazing.

>>44342096
It's not a common list type, and I don't see any major weaknesses. It can deal with many enemies, there's a strategy and synergy. The Deredeo alone at the back might be vulnerable but it's a risk a list like this can take. What are the jetbikes doing?

This guy >>44342368 has some good advice - except for the last bit, which is pure marketing speak. Anything you do in your spare time is a hobby, it doesn't mean anything.

>>44342432
The tribes are genetic if I recall, so that would be the case.

Blood Axes would indeed be the most interesting. They'd be even more interesting in a setting before the fall of the Eldar Empire, as perhaps they'd have aped their technology and structure back then.

>>44356765
Ok, but every single piece of artwork showing Corax flying with his Jetpack still has him with his Bettie Page bangs.

>>44356778
Yeah but it's the dirrection he's flying bro.

In the model he's falling downwards thus the hair is lifted up because of the direction of air flow. In the cover art posted he's flying forward which would certainly whip the hair but would also push the bangs down.

Think.

>>44356642
Not a fan of the left hand, but otherwise, great model.

>>44342920
Breachers are an unusually priced unit, in that the cost of an additional model is identical to that of a tactical marine. Yet the first 10 models cost considerably more. It's questionable if the Breacher is worth much more if at all than a tac.

- The Breacher has a weak invulnerable save against shooting, and a moderate one in melee. It is slightly more resilient against blasts, and charging enemies make no bonus attacks.

- However, the Tactical marine has no penalty to run moves and sweeping advance. When a Tactical squad stands still, doesn't shoot next turn and numbers five or more, it can pelt out double shots.

What's certainly true is that Breachers are at even more of a premium at a small size than the norm for Horus Heresy - or they recieve even greater a discount for large unit sizes, depending on which way you whisk it. This means that Breachers are generally hard to justify unless taken in a large, expensive unit, which is restrictive for many lists for marginal benefit.

>>44356642
Yikes, what a mess.

>>44343240
You don't need to tell people to do something if they enjoy it.

>>44343364
If you're using the word trash you're looking at it the wrong way.

>>44356642
Sweet. I like the claws, although I always envisaged that Corax would have smaller claws than Curze.

Where's his whip?

>>44356865
honestly, curzes claws are dissapointing as fuck

>>44356881
I think it fits him more than having over sized power claws. It makes it more visceral in a way due to the nature of them.

>>44356642
I like the model, but either the wings are too big or the jump-pack is too small. I can't really tell from just this angle alone.

>>44356642

It's Dorn!

>>44356971
Shit you're right

>>44356642
I feel like the pose is trying too much to be a diorama. Make a game piece looking badass not a cinematic duel. I hope they don't fuck up alpharius

>>44356971
No! It's Alpharius, obviously.

>>44356982

They were kind of forced into it, being Corax is the most airborne primarch, and they had to fit in his iconic pinions. Simply standing or surfing a wall like Curze would work or make use of the model.

Khan is going to have a similar problem unless they simply make him swinging his sword on foot like Angron 2.0

>>44357004
>wouldn't work

A guy with a giant winged backpack just standing there not using it would look lame. As would a folded up backpack if it folds when not in use.

>>44357004
I honestly don't think you can make a jumpacker landing look good. Make him take off or something. I really dislike how he is focused on that marine. I still think angron's generic pose is the best.

As for khan, he won't get a bike, so who knows with him.

>>44356642
wait is that a raygun in his hand?

>>44357081
he has a pair of Archeotech pistols, so yes he does!

>>44357071

Why doesn't GW make flying models anymore? Besides actual flyers. We need more models like drones or the old WHFB bats.

>>44340283
Alpharius has been trying to hinder khan and Leman russ. Omegon has been helping russ and khan. To the extent of even killing 50 alpha legion to help khan get to terra.

>>44356642
Tewwible... Just tewwible.

Well we now know dorn and alpharius are fucked before they're even created. Why would they make such a shitty character? Expect people to pay big £££'s for this and that its they give?

The money stays in pockets

>>44357136
I feel Dorn and Alpharius' models aren't doomed. They're both suited to more static poses, not forced into a hyper dynamic one due to how the character itself is. Most of those models FW had made that weren't hyper dynamic look pretty good (Lorgar being a notable exception in my opinion).

>>44356642
Not bad. Vulkan and Horus are still tied for best Primarch in my eyes

>>44356642
I like it. Looks nice, will probably look nicer when painted, and those wings and weapons are neat, though I can't figure out the pose. His legs say "I'm taking off", and his hair says "I'm landing". He's supposed to be landing and shooting the poor schmuck who's balancing this mini so it doesn't topple over, right?

>>44357399
I believe he is indeed landing. Crushing into the ground with the one leg actually touching it. His hair certainly says he's plummeting from the sky.

>>44345974
>>44346199
what book is this in?

>>44356642
JUST

>>44357154
Feels as if they're going to bed no matter what pose their in. So many poor design choices from forgeworld nowadays. Look at sigismund, perhaps the worst character they've ever done. And corax looks like fulgrim, to me anyways, the face where he isn't screaming like an idiot. And morty... They didn't even give him a mask, even though every piece of artwork has him with one, but "becoz it was written in a book that he hadn't one" they said fug it and didn't bother. I can imagine dorn, standing their shouting at nothing, with sameface to Angron. Or alpharius WITHOUT his helmet... Jesus.. It's going to happen I know it.
And I know I can put a helmet on them, but what's the point in covering shit with toilet paper?

>>44357577
It would mean you wiped your arse, as well as stating that you live in a country where the sewers are good enough that you can flush the toilet paper.

>>44357543
Book 4, page 215

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>>44357623
cheers m8

>>44356881
Yeah this. If any should've had large, grody finger-claws it was Kurze. I like the figure but it doesn't scream menace.

>>44356928
That's not really an explanation vis-a-vis Kurze.

>>44357596
wot is a visual metaphor??

>>44356642
Looks very 2000AD.

>>44357993
Something that, at the very least, requires a picture. What you are looking for is imagery.

>Corvus Corax
>Raven Raven

And people complain about Space Wolves names.

>>44358275
At least Raven Raven hides behind Latin, Space Wolves have most of their Wolfy Wolf stuff front and centre.

>>44358275
'common raven'

Really the worst is Iron Hands, primarch of the Iron Hands, who has iron hands.

>>44358275

It's one character though, they don't name everything after ravens.

In small doses I love the silly names of 40k, Sergeant Alenpo of the Raven Guard, Ork Warlord Margaret Thatcher and the bloodthirster Kornan the Barbarous.

>>44358324

Yeah, who would've thought a guy with hands literally made of iron would be called Iron hand.

>>44358315
The character everyone bitched about was Canis. People just don't know their GW puns and silly naming convention.

>>44358361

Canis also had wolf claws, wolf tail talismans and was riding a fucking wolf.

If Corax was riding a giant Raven I could understand people getting mad.

>>44358275

>Alpharius
>alpha legion

Wow gw
Just wow

>>44358392
Corax has wings and claws.

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>>44358358

>>44358407

Using weapons and wargear inspired by his name are more subtle than riding the actual animal you are named after.

>>44358432
But there are no wolves on Fenris. Where did he get the wolf?

>>44358432
I take it you take particular affront to horse archers as well?

>>44358452

Scars aren't named the white bikes

>>44358441

He's riding a degenerated human settler mutated by wolf genes. A close enough facsimile.

>>44358452

Horse archers are named for their steed, not the other way around.

>>44358466
Sounds like wolf bro teamwork to me. All chapters should wish they have that synergi.

But they mostly added Thunderwolves because people built their own. So GW just made it official.

>>44358400
>what is pseudonym

what do you think of tyhon? Is he worth it, especially when I wont use a RoW. Also is a Spartan still worth if even if I only have 5 termis?

>>44358674
Death Guard RoW doesn't really interact with Typhon. In fact, he is one of the few ways to take Rad grenades outside of that RoW.

Do you think effectively AV 15/14/14, 5 hp, and a whole bunch of lascannons is worth taking for ~70 pts more than an equivalent Land Raider?

question: this is more about money but also plays into tactics

4 Knights or a warhound?

>>44359375
Knights are cool but you see them a lot. Not everyone has a warhound

>>44359438

Okay. What should be the general idea for a Crusade army that takes a warhound?

>>44358358
He wasn't born with them, presumably.

Anyway, isn't the Emperor supposed to be from Turkey (like St. George was)? Shouldn't his sons look a little more Turkish?

I'm reading betrayer and I swear someone saw all the Kharn Is a Swell Guy memes and decided to make it canon.

Great read so far

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>>44351191
>>44351392
It's 250 base