Jumpchain CYOA Thread #627: Don't Trust Crystal Swords Edition

>>44303189
But crystals are cool and sparkly

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Its true, the crystal sword I use is an asshole. A useful asshole, but an asshole.

Are bastard swords only created by unmarried smiths?

Also, what's your weapon of choice, /jc/?

>>44303260
My body.

/jc/, What is your favorite/most used weapon?

>>44303316
See >>44303266

City of Heroes Question.

What exactly is the "force" element? Like kinetic energy? Or is it http://cityofheroes.wikia.com/wiki/Energy_Aura ?

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>>44303260
These days? Natural weapons. Blood, claws, fangs.

Jumpers, what did you do in the Star Wars jumps?

>>44300747

For what it's worth, the default ruling regarding similar power sources is that they are the same thing.

Mana is Mana is Prana is Magicka - unless there's some notable fundamental difference in their operation, the assumption is they're cross-compatible. Differences in the end result are because of different theorems of the use of said power.

It's up to you to decide if that means you double your power pool each time, or if it overlaps, or if diminishing returns apply.

>>44303316
My automatic rifle/ax/staff variable weapon from RWBY.

I call her Clara.

>>44303260
A 6 1/2 foot long ChainSword

>>44303389
Basically be the A-Team

>>44303389
Pretty much fucked off innaspace until it came time to destroy the Death Star.

After which I fucked off again.

So my nasuverse knowledge is lacking but I noticed reality marbles can have some of their effects occur without going full out with "this is my reality". What effects can you achieve on this low power setting, how does it differ? Since if I remember right, Archer's body healed as swords

>>44303316
Tranq gun. I figure out how to make ammo for it pretty early, and then just spend future jumps injecting chemicals into strangers I don't like. Like people who shoot me. They're jerks.

>>44303563
Reality Marbles can be internal in that they only change reality for you, not anyone else. With the right amount of power these can be permanent, and are in their own way just a strong as external ones.

>>44303592
But from what I read up, Archer and Shirou had it be both internal and external... It can be done that way?

>>44303563
Well, without manifesting the marble-y'know how Shirou was really, really good at projecting and reinforcing other noble phantasms? That's kind of a byproduct of his marble, which itself is partially a byproduct of his Origin.

IIRC he even managed Avalon in the Fate route

>>44303644
Yes, that basically just counts as an external though. It's an external one that also effects your body.

How do people think this item from Endless Legend interacts with... well, everything?

>Mithrite Ring: You can not be moved against your will. Nothing will cause your feet to lift off the ground unless you want it to happen. Period.

It's at least good for avoiding recoil, but what happens to the energy that would otherwise launch you? Does it ground itself in you and you suffer more damage?

Is the energy component of incoming attacks that would make you "move" (in a mildly abstract way) simply negated, so that you take normal damage from a blow but are not launched?

The latter seems most reasonable, if still a tad vague, but I'm wondering if anyone has any other ideas.

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>>44303431
Odd. I remember Val telling me that Prana was different from other forms of Mana so it wasn't easily combined, if possible to combine at all... mostly why I had to go through a LOT of hoops just to make a Well of Eternity that supplies Prana. I might be misremembering, though.

>>44303260
For every task, there is a tool. My primary weapon though is... well, the Bow. Since it can transform into a sword or the Ruyi Jingu Bang on a whim. Perfect for whether I need sharp things or if I need to go nonlethal (which is quite a lot).

>>44303827
I'd assume the latter. Ultimately all the Endless Legend stuff is smaller-than-nanomachines so advanced they make most Worm tech look like steam power so-theoretically enough biggatons or whatever could break through the ring's protection.

>>44303663
So isn't it basically two effects of the reality marble, or just very loose interpretation of its effects?

>>44303827
I assume it works like that one Sonic perk. Basically the energy will rip you to shreds.

>>44303889
Loose interpretation. Reality Marbles don't have to be super specific in what they do.

>>44303875
Prana is different in the sense that it's a combination of internal magical energy (Mana), and external energy (Od). However, you can use either exclusively, and everything will work a-OK. In fact, using pure mana to do something actually results in more powerful effects than with Prana.

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>>44303875
I think it was because Prana is generated from Mana and Od basically processed through magic circuits, which I basically understood as being like Naruto chakra coils except sucking in your own life energy and the life energy of the environment to create prana-which is what you do magic with.

So basically, because modern magecraft is actually sourced from life energy. As opposed to HSDW, Runes, Notarikon etc where the answer to how the fuck the symbols or whatever is ordering the ambient magic around to do stuff with is literally "it's a mystery"

>>44303948
Man Runes are pretty junk compared to HSDW, for an ancient magic system.

>>44303968
Runes are great, but HSDW is some of the most broken magic in the Nasuverse. Git good enough in Runes and you'll make Prisma Illya Bazett look like a fucking loser in comparison.

>>44303875
>Odd. I remember Val telling me that Prana was different from other forms of Mana so it wasn't easily combined, if possible to combine at all... mostly why I had to go through a LOT of hoops just to make a Well of Eternity that supplies Prana. I might be misremembering, though.

They may have made a specific ruling to that effect, a cursory search of archives didn't show anything.

Did they give any reason why it was especially distinct? I'm not an expert on the obscurities of the Nasuverse, but the descriptions for Nasuverse Mana and Od are basically identical to a hundred other settings.

>>44303985
Runes aren't great, anon. There's this thing called comparisons, Runes are of a type of magic comparable to HSDW. Both ancient magic systems. Runes should only be compared to other ones, and the other ones we do know of? All shit on Runes. Hard.

>>44303938
>>44303948
Eh. I opted to make a Prana option just to play it safe. I mean yes I already have HSDW and Magic EX (I feel like one of the few people who DIDN'T take Item Creation EX), but it just felt better to jury-rig something up. Of course this meant the Garden has plant-based Life Fibers running through it, so your call on whether that was a smart move or not. When in doubt, just go the extra mile and make sure, you know?

>>44304023
I didn't take EX Item Creation either. I'm not an artifact person, and I can create better shit elsewhere. I didn't go Caster either so it'd be prohibitive.

>>44303999
Mana circuits are soul based and the physical ones are manifestations of the soul. Which is probably why it doesn't work well with others is the ruling.

>>44303985
>Prisma Illya
Jump never.
>>44304072
Mana circuits =/= the energy ran through them.

>>44303498
But there's no Death Star in Clone Wars or KOTOR.

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>>44303968
I dunno. I think it might just be a matter of who's representing the magic system to an extent. See-the primary HSDW exponent is a witch from the Age of the Gods, right? So she's an expert magic practitioner from an age where magic was fookin' bonkers compared to the lousy old modern day, so she knows how best to take advantage of its' nuances apart from the whole just better than modern magic thing.

Whereas I believe the main Runes practitioners are Bazett, who's a modern magus, and Cu, who's a Lancer. Because of their occupations/what class they were summoned as, their applications of it tend towards enhancing their combat prowess instead of going more in-depth for exploiting the magic system.

I think it's just a Nasu thing that older magic systems tend to be more powerful than the new ones-especially the kind entrenched as part of Servants' legends, and that we just haven't seen Runes used to its' full potentia by a focused practitioner.

Apparently Scathatch's in F/GO but I'm pretty sure she's not available as a Caster there.

>>44304094
There's ALWAYS a Death Star.

Even if I have to build it myself, there WILL be a Death Star and I WILL steal the kill from whoever the MC is.

So my Reality Marble, being empowered by various realities I travelled and borrowing abilities of those I befriended, as almost Soul Unison + Weapon Copy variable system + Dark binding almost but not quite.

A realm of forever changing landscapes, shifting, showing each world I travelled. Chains seen in sky and distance, some connected to me, some binding opponent or objects to limit Insta kills (death note) yet many more seemingly broken or just invisible till light hits them just so. A test of determination of people in it.

I am the purpose of my journey
My soul as my body, forever enduring
I have travelled across the worlds
Unaware of when shall it all end, my will broken, yet rebuilt through others.
Bound by these chains, but connected through them, my existence enriched.
My determination unmeasured, to follow my links back to their source.
My whole life is endless Jumper's Chains.

>>44304119
We only have feats to account for. Fanwank amounts to nothing and is worth nothing.

>>44303938
So Prana is metaphysical 2-cycle gas?

>>44304094
KOTOR has Star Forge.

>>44304119
Even when Cu was a Lancer he managed to burn down a castle with one rune.

>>44303999
See >>44304072, that was the gist of the explanation. Of course I kind of lament that HSDW kind of makes Circuits obsolete but I still want to find a way to use them. I mean I've got... what, 300 circuits overall with the help of two crests and a few purchases? Of course with them being soul-based and Metaphysical Biology from Evangelion covering such soul anatomy... well. Who knows.

>>44304123
I do not understand, but I admire your spirit.

Jump on.

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>>44304023
Actually, we didn't either! EX ranked Anti-Planet was more our speed.

Given what Zelretch did with that jeweled sword of his it does seem that hard work with what you have at hand seems a more worthy investment than mucking around with ancient legends if you're purely interested in raw power output.

We did give Elodie Item Creation A+++ because of all the high quality potions, constructs, mystic artifacts etc she could then make which seemed useful since Fate was a fairly early jump. And of course, for the novelty of curios everyone not born in the Age of the Gods had forgotten how to make.

...

Enjoy your inevitable rainbow discoclown-based super mode

>>44304147
But he said Death Star, not Star Forge.

>>44304123
>steal the kill

That sounds kinda petty.

>>44304284
>implying jumpers aren't a gaggle of interdimensional ninja looters

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>>44304023
>Life Fibers

You should probably not do that.

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>>44304154
You could always just use them to handle spells relating to your own body like Reinforcement, healing or the like, and have HSDW handle more complex rituals, evocations, abjurations etc. Circuits might be weaker overall but since they're entrenched inside your metaphysical biology they'd probably be easier to synchronise with other forms of magic/enchantment involving the induction of life energy in some manner.

>>44304299
I prefer being a gentleman thief, actually. Not the self-insert of a 14 year old Mountain Dew addict who's just been playing Call of Duty for 4 hours straight.

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>>44303389
Was a smuggler who pretended to have force powers by hitting things with lightning from nowhere and cackling.

Eventually got found out by a jedi going 'the fuck are you doing, you aren't a sith get out of here.'

>>44304243
So wait, what is the difference between what a Noble Phantasm can accomplish and not a noble phantasm? Which one is better? Etc

>>44304284
Assuming I wasn't being sarcastic, which I was, it is very petty.

But I'm a very petty person, so there's that.

>>44304376
Not a lot. Noble Phantasm are just the legend version of something that person had in life, most of the time. Sometimes the legend invents something. Anyway, the real deal should work pretty much the same as the NP version, it's just that NPs are usually from back when magic was stronger, so they're stronger than modern shit.

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>>44304302
>You should probably not do that.
Yeah, well there's Gourmet Cells and a Protein Energy Well in there as well, with... last I checked, Shinsoo, Beat Energy, and all kinds of other energies like Fortune Energy.

There's a LOT of things I shouldn't have done, but have for the sake of wanting a neat little place. Remember Masters of Magic? The thing that increase Magic Source outputs and makes it so I receive full effects regardless of location? I actually have no idea what the place looks like by now.

>>44304371
I'd rather be a 14 year old CoD addict than a 20 year old fedora.

>>44304430
Did you stick any Age of Ice mana nodes in there?

>>44304435
>whyeither.antimeme

>>44304299
Hence my EX collector skill. I now have justification to loot any sort of cool thing I want to from any jump I go to.

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>>44304476
>Did you stick any Age of Ice mana nodes in there?
Quite a few, anon. Quite a few. Along with... we're at over 14 Wells of Eternity right now?

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>>44304430
Well...you just had to go and put Protein Energy in there.

And as we recall, there's a couple of nature spirits flitting around.

So whatever it looks like, there's probably a bunch of ridiculously swole dryads doing squats and bench presses and arm curls using the ambient vegetation because you put utter insanity into a pool of primordial life force and these actions tend to have consequences.

Probably while grinning all the time.

>>44304435
Well, either's better than being a 14 year old fedora. That would just be awful.

>>44303389
Haven't been there yet, no idea what I'm gonna do.

>>44304141
Dammit I put work into this idea and chant and No one gave their opinion

>>44303316
Forgot to say my favorite weapon.

It's basically an chain I've enchanted with as many anti-divine properties as possible that i've slapped on, along with a Goddess Seal from Drakengard that should hold the souls of anyone I kill using it.

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>>44304550
>Swole dryads
>Nerdy cactus dryad watches them lift

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>>44304525
For what purpose?

And will you be adding any ELIXAAAAHHHH?

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>>44304632
>For what purpose?

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>>44304628
Ah yes, the cactus. Truly the most tsundere of plants.

>>44304430
What Garden?

>>44304677
I always hated this Digimon.

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>>44304677
But they're so pretty

>>44304711
Such a shame most cactus-people are pricks

What do you people think is the best library you can add to your Warehouse?

What's a Well of Eternity.

>>44304727
>>44304697
Red's personal combo. Basically a bunch of plants and magic water she's stacked up, at its core.

>>44304727
I think it's a WoW thing.

>>44304697
Long story short, she magpied every magical water and every magical plant and now it's all gone horribly wrong.

>>44303938
You got those reversed anon, Mana is external, Od is internal. Od is also roughly your lifeforce energy of your soul. And using just mana for things is that it allows you to do things without draining your own energy, as Mana is nearly limitless and Od is quite limited.

>>44304760
Did Red dump a bunch of Phazon into the garden too?

As someone that's not familiar with the nasuverse outside of Fate/Zero, what's to stop someone from speed/teleport-blitzing Gilgamesh when he first appears?

>>44304846
No Metroid jump yet so no delicious candy.

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>>44304846
No. But I want to.

>>44304846
We don't have a Metroid jump yet.

DELICIOUS CANDY

>>44304855
Nothing. But you'd just be killing a manifestation. Gil's essence, his self, is tied to his myth. To really kill him, or any of the grail heroes, that's what you have to attack and eliminate.

>>44304865
At this point I don't think it's really you jumping, so much as the garden.

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>>44304846

>>44304865
This is why Jumpers can't have nice things.

>>44304816
Ah, sorry about that. My mistake.

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>>44304903
OI. I'm not that bad! Usually...

>>44304879
It... okay I won't lie I legit have no idea. Jurai trees can 'link' to a person, and with all the stuff that's been going on I can't fault people for thinking the line is a touch blurry. I usually write it as though my jumper-self has complete autonomy, but the truth is I think the true answer is somewhere in the middle.

>>44304910
I can think of a lot of other people and reasons for why we can't have nice things, buuuuuut I'll accept your judgement. I can be pretty bad, too.

>>44304243
What was your EX anti planet ?

>>44303260
Started as a stick I throw at stuff, became a spear I throw at stuff after I picked up a few neat swords and took to duct tape fusioning everything together. Spear is pretty good for killing big stuff, a size changing spear doubly so.

>>44303389
Well KotOR was an early import for some of my companions so was spent mostly showing them the ropes.

Clone Wars was earlier and I tipped off Yoda about this and that (that obviously evil guy is evil and you're all living on an ancient Sith burial ground), got attacked quite a lot due to drawbacks and cloned Padme a lot as someone had that idea in thread and she really is one of the more funny people to clone. I figured I'd reverse Spirited Away it where if Anakin can figure out which one's the real Padme I won't turn him into a pig (they're all clones).

If he guesses that they're all clones he really is less stupid than the writing made him out to be in the prequels. I'd then set him up on Padme Island in a 'you want cigarettes? well we'll see how much you like them when you smoke a whole crate' sort of move.

>>44304878
I was mostly talking about keeping him out of my hair for that current grail war.

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>>44303389
>KOTOR
Also known as "Jibril's Intergalactic Wild Ride". This was immediately after NGNL, and with a galaxy full of war and with the sort of libraries a civilization that old and large would have, she went just a little crazy. She ended up dragging us all over the galaxy fighting, looting, and generally getting us into trouble. I managed to keep her violence (mostly) directed at acceptable targets at least(she all but exterminated the Sith on her own, among other things).

>Clone Wars
Haven't jumped yet.

Does anyone else feel like they want to fuck around with water related combos, but can't because someone has already thought up everything you can do with it?

>>44305063
D&D's magic missle.

No, hear me out.

>get Gift of the Thousand Master from Negima. The writeup says it massively increases your magical output.
>reresearch D&D's magical missile and turn it into a magitech missile.
>grab the perks from Ace Combat and Macross that let you spam missiles
>cast Magitech Missile at Gil
>watch the world darken as your torrental cloud of undodgable missiles spam him into oblivion

>>44305125
That's how I feel about /every/ mega-combo I could think of. And of course an air-based mega-combo is basically impossible because the element of Air lacks critical perk and setting support.

>>44305168
I just feel like whatever I do will be derivative.

>>44305092
Anon you really should do a better job of controlling your weapons, and don't say Jibril isn't a weapon her entire race was created by the god of war(who has excellent tastes) as weapons to kill the other gods.

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>>44305125
>>44305168
Honestly? My recommendation is 'do it anyway'.

There's so many fucking jumps out there that any project could potentially diverge from one another simply because people will have different uses and purposes for them. Sure something could START the same, but it can very easily change into something else. Even then... this is supposed to be fun. If you think being some kind of water person could be amazing, then I wholly encourage you to be the water person you want to be. You want to be air? There's a few 'tech to magic' perks and even a 'tech to biology' perk out there, or 'magic to tech' perk. You don't even need Crimson Saint, it's OUT there. Just need to do a look-around.

Don't let the whole 'Keeping up with the Joneses' gig take over. Follow your heart. Be the snowflake you want to be and enjoy yourself.

>>44305349
All races in NGNL were created as weapons. Doesn't mean they aren't people.

>>44305125
I just do it anyway. All these combos as show-pieces are nice, but in the thick of things and in the story is how things get real definition.

>>44305351
>>44305365
There's nothing fun about being derivative.

>>44305365
>in the thick of things and in the story is how things get real definition.
This.

Cool combos and neat inventions are one way to go, and while they can certainly help or even drive narrative, they don't have to. Plenty of protagonists use generic X's, weapons, vehicles, whatever. What's interesting is their story and their journey.

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>>44305385
>not being derivative
>in a crossover CYOA based on hundreds of existing fictional universes

Where do you think you are?

>>44305436
Isn't the point of combos to make something unique from the constituent parts?

>>44305449
I always thought the point of combos was to make something you found fun and neat.

>>44305473
Maybe, but I'll also say that being derivative isn't fun or neat. It's not an accomplishment.

>>44305449
Why are combos the point?

say how big is Anon's Stage in mega man Classic jump? And is it the way you describe it in every jump or a local equivalent?

>>44305385
Creativity isn't only in form, but function and action and new routes with old technology. Killing a king with a shovel is very different from building a new gun to do it.

>>44305481
Everything's technically derivative. Aspects of LIFE is derivative.

Next you're gonna tell me you breathe noble gasses because oxygen is too mainstream

>>44305551
There's no fun in designing something derivative, though.

>>44305349
I was letting her indulge herself, this was her first taste of freedom after living under Tet's rules for thousands of years. Not like I really wanted to stop her anyway, my jumper was almost as sick of Tet's rules as she was by the time the jump ended.

Also this: >>44305356

>>44305551
All the cool kids metabolize using triatomic helium.

>>44305551
>>44305623
>needing matter
>not consuming and expelling concepts
Get back to me when you breath hope and expel wisdom, plebs.

>>44305660
I breath dope and expel wisdom if you know what I'm sayin

>>44305672
>I breath dope and expel wisdom if you know what I'm sayin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kRAKXFrYQ4

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>>44305660
>not drinking blood

Don't knock the classics!

>>44305690
>going vamp
Only if it makes me sexay

>>44305690
>Being a undead abomination
You heretic.

>>44305690
Better be virgin blood or you're a pleb.

>>44305730
Undead are people too!

>>44305581
This place probably isn't for you then. Everything here is derivative from some other canon material.

>>44305745
Combos are supposed to be about making something more, though. Turning that stuff into something uniquely yours.

>>44305744
Propaganda spread by necromancer and those who date the undead.

>>44305770
I'm the goddess of life and I'm also undead, so I know what I'm saying. The differently living are people too, I have the metaphysical clout to back that up.

In order to encourage anons to make their own neat little combos, I'll post my silly slicey dicey combo.

Get the capstone from Sword and Sorcery that lets you attack five times where someone would attack once, then Tsubame Gaeshi from Wuxia so you attack four times in each slash, then Valanway from Castlevania which lets you slash four times for each one.

End result: in the time it takes for someone to finish a slash you would have slashed them 80 times. Add in Blade Mode from MGR and well... No one will ever want to get in melee range of you again.

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>>44305785

>>44305795
Add x4-Cut and Slash-ALL materia from FFVII. Strike ALL opponents in range at the same time.

>>44305817
I'm a Sister of Battle too anon, I know all about purging the heretics.

Grey Knights are scum

>>44305835
I don't know who you are, anon, but I approve of your decisions.

do you have annoying friends?

>>44305930
I am the annoying friend.

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>>44303260
A mish-mashed Intelligent Device that includes a gravity hammer, a graviton cannon, a switch-axe, and a mass driver.

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>>44305036
If you've played Transistor, then-it's quite similar to the Process.

If you haven't-essentially it alters our Sorcery Trait such that Nasu-style thaumaturgy of any sort is reinforced with a sort of metaphysical rebar. Divine Spirit thaumaturgy (like Exaliblasts) actualised through artificial means-or perhaps a new form of True Magic embodying technological stasis. While this has any number of devastating applications, the most notable one is the corruption it brings to all aspects of a planet, crystallising it into biomechanical minions and spawning artificial circuit-like leylines to bring into being ever-expanding Territories, overwriting the planet into becoming a technosorcerous archive.

>>44305168
Are you sure? Let's see-Codex Alera, Dresden Files and Sword & Sorcery have perks that let you commune with spirits-presumably including wind ones.

Apart from Marvel's ever-versatile Kinesis, Worm offers a pretty substantial aerokinesis power. Now, couple that with the weather manipulation perk from City of Heroes and now you're cooking with...tornados?

Airbending springs to mind, naturally-but consider Temple of Thought and Dual Art allow for the hybridisation of spiritualism and magic. With that in mind, like many elemental manipulation techniques some general magic boosters would come in handy.

R-Type and LoT's A Grand Day Out boast weapons system that actually manipulate weather for interstellar combat. Consider a high-end nanoswarm for reinforcing your winds; Endless Legend springs to mind, for one. Finally, Sufficiently Analysed Magic from FF8 for turbing your wind turbines into wands.

I don't want to get too in-depth on how these could work together to avoid spoiling your fun, but you might well develop something substantial with these

>>44305125
I don't think anyone's done much with the predictive pool water in Spyro. Or explored the possibilities of nanomachine-infused water for Ice-9 style sculpting and such

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>>44304023
>I feel like one of the few people who DIDN'T take Item Creation EX

You're not alone, I did the same thing as you. HSDW A+++ and Mana EX are a damn potent combination.

When I imported Jibril as a servant, I gave her the opposite: HSDW EX and Mana A+++.

She was rather happy with that arrangement. The local topography wasn't .

Is anyone making a Coiling Dragon/Panlong Jump? I was thinking of making one

if I take agrius metamorphosis as one of my noble phantasms will it seal off my others ?

>>44306230
No

>>44305125
There is someone who used water bending and Ink to make a rather interesting combo- instant seals, transmutation circles, etc.

Smack somebody with a wave, while simultaneously applying a variety of seals to them and to the environment- stuff like that.

>>44306243
thank you

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>>44306199
It IS a damned potent combo. My servant build was as follows:

-STR: E (1550SP) -Don't really need more.
-END: E (1550SP) -I really don't, I just need to get some distance.
-AGI: B (1500SP) -But a bit of extra speed wouldn't hurt.
-MAN: EX (1325SP) -And I will take ALL the prana I could ever want.
-LUK: B (1325SP) -A bit of extra luck doesn't hurt anyone.

-Item Creation (A+++) (1075SP) (Class Discount) -Remember the Forge? I'm gonna do great things here.
-Territory Creation (A+++) (825SP) (Class Discount) -Oh. Oh dear. I could improve my workshop with this. Or use this on the Garden.
-High-Speed Divine Words (A+++) (550SP) (Personal Skill Discount) -Just call me Medea 2.0, for I will be CHAINING this shit.
-Natural Body (A+++) (150SP) (Free C-Rank Personal Skill) -I have officially joined the Aztec Gods of Fitness.
-Magic Resistance A (-100SP) -And suddenly I can tank a whole bunch of shit as a result. MAGIC IS MINE.

Admittedly I could have had a lot more streamlining/minmaxing in regards to magic... buuuuuuut dat Natural Body and Territory Creation. Territory Creation from Fate + 'I Am The Fortress' from Masters of Magic is fucking GODLY for a combination.

>pic related

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>>44305730
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you worthless heretic? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Space Marines, and I've led an incomprehensible number of secret raids against the forces of chaos, and I have over 30 million confirmed purgings. I am trained in armored warfare and I'm the top Ultramarine in all the Space Marine Chapters. You are nothing to me but just another heretic. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before in this universe, mark my fucking words.
You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Warp? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the galaxy and your powers are being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bolter.
Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Adeptus Mechanicus and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the planet, you little shit. If only you could have known what holy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot.

>>44305760
Face it, nothing will ever be uniquely yours, if you can make it, somebody else can as well.

That set of comments on derivatives and shit up there just... I'm sorry. I need to get this out in the air.

Can we stop having this fucking 'keeping up with the Jones' mentality? Make stuff to have fun, not to keep a social rank in a stupid self-insert power fantasy CYOA. Make shit to have fun, it's all single-player so you won't have two Jumpers running into each other with the same god damn thing.

>>44306199
What did HDSW stand for?

>>44306273
But are these ink benders a kid or a squid?

Fall from Heaven question:

Calabim, Luichirp, Jotnar or Mechanos?

>>44306374
High Def Salty Wankers

>>44306374
High Speed Divine Words.

As someone with 330 Circuits from Tsukihime, KnK, and Fate/, plus two magic crests, and two magic cores...

I feel like a monumental idiot for not knowing HSDW would nullify them.

>>44306421
>I feel like a monumental idiot for not knowing HSDW would nullify them.
Eh?

>>44306421
It's okay, I was down that route as well. It's kind of dismaying, but they're still soul anatomy. So I'm sure one can find a use for them still.

>>44306437
High-Speed Divine Words (高速神言, Kōsoku-Shingon?) is the power to activate Thaumaturgy -without the use of Magic Circuits-. The language of the Age of Gods, back when words played a heavy role in spellcasting. As such, it is power long lost by modern magi.

>>44306449
>jack the magic circuits/core into an S2 Engine using Metaphysical Biology
>install an internal adapter to change it into whatever energy you need

>>44306395
Jotnar. Tjatse a gr8, m8.

Since we're talking about Servant builds, can I get some opinions on what rank to price a Noble Phantasm as? It's basically a dharmic spoofing attack, generating false metaphysical signals. There are two main things I want to get out of such an effect. The first is to fill in the blanks when someone tries to scan me. I've got a lot of perks that render me immune to precognition or scrying or whatever, and being a blank spot would make me conspicuous. This way I could give any observers a false narrative to look at to satisfy their curiosity.

The second effect I want is to be able to falsify authorization to use effects based on metaphysical traits. So if I wanted to walk through a door that only the sorcerer-priests of Mu could safely pass through, or whatever, I could do so without being zapped. I figure to make it fair it wouldn't be able to falsify any truly unique metaphysical traits, so I couldn't use something that could only be wielded by a Chosen One because there's only one of them. It would let me fake having a role, not an identity.

So what would something like that rank? It's not an overwhelmingly powerful ability, but it gives a decent advantage in a lot of scenarios. So B+ Rank, maybe?

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>>44306500
That's...

...actually not a bad idea at all. The whole 'S2 engine jacked into the circuits' bit. I'm not so sure on the internal adapter bit (though I understand there ARE methods to do it), but now I'm imagining being able to alter them to work with Chi, Semblances, spirit energy and the like to help better guide and improve the power output.

...shit this could work.

>>44306395
Mechanos,If you can teach them how to build Cool stuff You'll get what is essentially a supreme Commander command unit that can spit it out.

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>>44306569
NP #1: Could be an Anti-Unit or Anti-Unit (Self). Depending on how sneaky you want your "false narrative" to be, it could be anywhere from C to A. Tentatively learning towards B since it's hella useful but in a limited niche, kind of like Rule Breaker (which is rated at C and is ridiculously versatile but only really interacts with thaumaturgy). Maybe slap on some +s if you want to be extra sneaky.

For NP #2: B+ sounds about right, yes.

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>>44305168
>air-based mega-combo is basically impossible

I'd beg to differ- my primary element is Wind!

One of the best basis for a Wind based mega-combo starts in Legends of Spyro: take Wind as your element and be sure to pick up the perk that gives you instinctual skill with it. Your power with it will grow with time, so take it as early as you can. Next, hit up AtlA and become an Air Bender; make sure to get all the upgrades you can for your bending too. From there, go straight to Korra and double up on all those perks.

With just those powers you can become a veritable tornado with ease.

For further boosts, head to Age of Ice and pick up the corresponding Mana Node, and in Fairy Tail be sure to become some sort of Wind based Slayer Mage. Heading to Naruto and getting Wind based Chakra will help too. Slayers, Fire Emblem, and several other jumps have wind based magic, and in Codex Alera be sure to pick up some Wind Furies.

Guided by the Wind from Soul Calibur lets you sense things through the wind, and you can pick up a Wind Dijin in Magi. Dust, Vigors, and Plasmids will also give you a boost.

Lastly, Teen Titans and Marvel both have Areokinesis as possible buys.

All together, this will make you a human sized avatar of the wind.

>>44306697
So you think I should buy the effects as two separate NPs instead of one "false dharma" NP that does both? Which is more SP-efficient?

>>44306421
The magic cores at least are still useful since they let you do more with your HSDW.

>>44306727
Captain Planet has some perks that will help with cleansing the air, allow you to literally become wind, and summon wind elementals.

>>44306727
Any of those let you sense things with the wind? Like a general idea of where things are moving nearby or something?

>>44306288
how did you have 1550 ? did you take draw backs

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>>44306580
...a thought on the internal adaptor. You probably know about Universal Adaptor, but note Aurorium from RWBY allows Aura at least to be conducted well, and you may also be interested in Suspendium from Tower of God since all their weapons involve running life force through to "ignite".

With the biotech perks from GI Joe and Miniaturisation & Efficiency, you might well be able to work something out. Did you take the cybernetics perk in Alpha Centauri?

...actually, the nuclear reactor in your chest from Killer Instinct might be good to reverse engineer as well for improving how the energy enhances you, if you have it.

>>44306747
Oh sorry, thought you meant them as two separate NPs instead of one.

Uh. Now, this is harder to quantify; Nasu is inconsistent as hell but if you look at lower rank NPs, they tend to do either do one thing really well or do several things that don't stack up so well in a direct confrontation. But I've just remembered NPs limited to your body can get...uh...ridiculously beneficial all round (see: God Hand) at relatively low ranks, so anywhere between B to A+ would suit yours pretty well, especially since it's focused on conceptual stealth rather than a package of varied defences.

The effects do seem similar enough they could constitue one NP. And yes, that seems more SP-efficient.

>>44306890
Cool. I'll build it as an A Rank Noble Phantasm, then, because that's ironically cheaper than a B+. Thanks, Anti-Spiral.

So, can you make items you already have into Noble Phantasms, or are you limited to only getting new stuff?

>>44306928
B+ is higher rank than A anon. Though NP don't follow the same equivalence of the other stats they are still on a similar system. E is 10, to D being 20, C 30, B 40, and A 50. A plus though doubles the letter's rank so that while an E+ is 20 effectively equal to D, D+ is 40 equal to B. And B+ is 80, well above A.

Not that a B+ NP is necessarily 1.6 times stronger than an A, it's stat still implies it's stronger than A.

>>44307095
That is a weird way of ranking things. A should be higher than B+, what's even the point of having letter grades if you're going to do things like that? Weird. Okay, B+ rank, then.

>>44306868
You can port CP into SP.

>>44307142
Nasu doesn't think things through much.

Although, it does make sense sometimes. The +/- is supposed to denote that in specific circumstances the effect becomes stronger.

But I think that might only apply to Parameters in which case my point is moot.

>>44306148
Ice sculpting? There's a magic for that in Fairy Tail. And predictive pools? Never liked precog. It's like teleportation in that it's something I don't favor as a concept.

>>44306313
It's less about can, and more about have they. It seems like all combos with the things I'm interested in have been done.

>>44306890
Eeeeh. I'd probably just stick with Aurorium and then use various perks to augment/improve the metal in question for the uses. Suspendium seems like a really risky maneuver.

I grabbed the biotech perk, Mini/Eff and the cybernetics perk, yeah. But I usually prefer to deal with effects and items which are... stable, shall we say? Stability is really nice, and the less 'make something up' I can do the better. I didn't grab the KI reactor either, wasn't needed. Plus I was being drained of CP as is.

>>44306342
My point is just that it's not fun thinking up combos someone has already done. It's not about being as good or whatever.

>>44307142
Other than the A+ things typically a + in type moon stuff is a situational effect that doubles something. So if you have A++ agility it usually means you have speed equal to 150 times peak human, but B+ agility would usually be 40 times, but twice as fast in a race or something. When it comes to the servant supplement though it's more of a matter of the + is kind of unevenly priced, as you don't have different prices for situational or always active. I have not once seen anyone treat a + as situational due to the pricing mechanic.

>>44306395
Luchiurp are the absolute weakest. They have nothing good or unique in that jump. I mean fuck, their top unit is a shitty golem made out of people's bones. That's what they have to buy instead of 1000 immortal warriors. How shit is that? And their companion is an evil traitorous bastard who you can blame for the sorry state the world is in.

>>44306500
How does the S2 engine help this?

>>44307225
But don't you start with just a thousand ?

So, on the topic, approximately how powerful would an EX+++ be at its peak? I am asking for a friend.

>>44307365
No plus on Ex

>>44304599
>>44304141

Hey, it's better than my attempt.

'Steward of the impure world' is stuck in my head and I can't build a decent chant around it.

>>44307295
Which is hilarious because the Luchiurp are fucking broken good in the mod.

>>44307365
You would spend all the points and then get nothing, because you can't read.

>>44307408
Maybe Babylon made them crap in the CYOA because they annoyed him when he played the mod?

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>combos
>combos combos combos
All you weak faggots need to step up your games; no one here combos like I do.

>>44307426
>Cheddar cheese
>Not pizza

>>44307326
Yes. But you can take Servant drawbacks + that CP to SP conversion.

It's how some people got to, like, 2,450 SP. Shit I think there was one person with 2,750.

>>44307424
They're one of the few industrial bonus civs in the mod so they just bulwark a choke point with a huge stack of constructs/adepts and ride the wonders and tech bonuses to victory. When they start hitting mid-late of their special units they completely invalidate any of the magic bonus guys as well because fuck you nullstone golems. Berserker bots just fuck up stacks as well to a ridiculous degree.

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>>44307426
>>44307440
>Not eating a complete diet of LIGHTNING LOOPS

Do you even infinite combo

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>>44306288
Magic Core (600) +equivelant to B rank Mana
Points-to-SP Conversion (400) +400SP
Drawbacks: Servitude (+1000SP) +imported self as a Servant
-What Spiritual Form? (+50SP) +can't go into spiritual form

==========

Master: Jibril +yeah, this was a GREAT idea.

Class: Jumper (0SP)

SP: 1450

Strength: D (50)
Endurance: D (50)
Agility: C (100)
Mana: EX (275)
Luck: E

HSDW A+++ (400)
Prana Burst A+++ (550)
Independent Action D (25)

Noble Phantasm: Bridal Chest C +recycles mana in environment and attacks to electricity

Bridal Chest lets me absorb and re-fuel my mana pool from the environment and from hostile attacks, all thanks to an electricity-to-mama converter I'd built previously with magitec. Prana Burst plus HSDW Reinforcement means that I can beat up even Saber with my bear hands.

===============

And now for Jibril's build:

Points-to-SP Conversion (1000) +1000SP
Drawbacks: What Spiritual Form? (+50SP)

==========

Servant: Jibril

Class: Jumper (0SP)

SP: 2050

Strength: E
Endurance: E
Agility: C
Mana: A+++ (250)
Luck: E

Item Creation A+++ (250SP)
HSDW EX (450SP)
Presence Detection A+++ (+550SP)
Clairvoyance A+++ (550SP)

Noble Phantasm: Casa Di Logistilla C +grants magic resistance, when invoked it can break any single magecraft or Reality Marble except High-Thaumaturgy.

With this, she has near-perfect 360 degree detection out to a 20 Km radius, and she can hit anything within about 14 Km with perfect accuracy. Any kind of magecraft used on her will not end well at all, if they can even get that close. If someone gets within melee range? She can just teleport away and keep on blasting.

>>44307489
Well there's no such thing as industrial bonuses in jumps.

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>>44307507
>Noble Phantasm: Bridal Chest
That's SP well spent.

>>44307443
Wait so I could take the drawbacks like the one giving me independent A+ for spacebattles? And I can take sp for stuff like caster strength and Lancer luck?

>>44307326
You can get up to 2800 SP if you want: 1000CP, 1000SP, 600CP in drawbacks from the main jump and 200SP in Servant Drawbacks.
...Actually, there's those drawback skills that you can get too. A Servant can get seriously OP.

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>>44307507
>>44306288
I needed all that power to deal with the Servants I was set up against: I managed to land in Fate/Strange, so I had to work hard at not getting gibbed.

Long Range Beam Spam was my friend. The 3 way throw down between Enkidu, Gilgamesh, me, and Jibril ended up blasting a new Grand Canyon into Nevada. It took all my companions dog piling on and the help of a small army of battle-bots, and even then we barely eked out a win. Gilgamesh and Enkidu are scary as all hell when they get pissy.

>>44307675
Speaking of independent Action Does the whole "you need to listen to The person with The command seals" Thing go away after the jump? Because I imported a companion as a master and she has two Of those left....

>>44307763
Nope, the command seals stay until used up.

>>44307701
So I can get independent action and points for it ?

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>>44307751
Alright. That's not how I would have dealt with that particular clusterfuck, but it's a pretty good plan.

Now, what did you do to beat this guy?

>>44307873
No, a Jumper has to pay for Independent Action given what it entails.

>>44307891
I don't think he realizes True Archer's power levels, when True Archer no sells anything that isn't a True Servant.

>>44307778
But it's just a "expand a seal to give in order" thing not a "you are a hypnotized slave" thing right?

>>44307916
Depends on the breadth of the order. If they tell you to follow every wish they have it'll be a minor compulsion to do so that's fairly easy to resist ala Rin/EMIYA. If they tell you to kill yourself, you're dead like Kayneth orderer Diarmuid to die.

>>44307964
I mean passively, like it Wouldn't affect me Day to day but When it's used I Have to go along with it.

>>44307964
Actually, if you have A-ranked Magic Resistance, you can resist that compulsion. It hurts, but it's resistible.

>>44308013
Basically yeah. Once it's used up they're gone too.

>>44308015
Not in the jump. Got changed to fit it technically being a drawback

>>44307891
>>44307915
What makes one a True Servant? Who is he?

>>44308070
True Servants and High Servants are special classifications for Servants that can't be defined as a traditional heroic spirits. High Servants are hybrids of gods (Greek and other pantheons), True Servants are apparently from an entirely different time given the lines in Strange Fake.

The True Servants identities are still unknown since strange fake is still going on, but True Archer no sells Gilgamesh to the point that without Ea, he doesn't stand a chance at even running away. In the end True Rider has to save Gilgamesh from being wiped out, since Gate of Babylon is completely negated by an arrow or something.

Basically the True Servant series were all designed to shit on the idea that Gilgamesh is top tier by adding in a completely new tier. They're above Apocrypha Karna power wise, so Gilgamesh falls into low mid tier at best.

>>44308140
Sounds like boring power wank.

>>44308015
>44308015
Only B ranked But I have an A+ ranked God hand knockoff would that work?

>>44308140
>Basically the True Servant series were all designed to shit on the idea that Gilgamesh is top tier by adding in a completely new tier.

Ugh. That's kindof petty. Why is it so focused on powerlevels?

>>44308167
>>44308183
You appear to be new to type moon fiction, the rules only exist to hype characters when they break them.

>>44308167
>Sounds like Nasu being Nasu
FTFY

>>44308190
There's breaking rules and there's "We're stronger than strong better than everyone!" it sounds boring.

>>44308183
It's a Shonen, Power levels are the most important thing!

>>44308015
No,for jump purposes, you are affected by Command Seals no matter what. Think of it as the one of two minor downsides to an overwhelmingly good option. Just don't be a moron and take someone you can't trust as a Master.

>>44308182
See Above

>>44308140
I hope to God every day that True Servants are just going to be the Servant that was meant to be summoned like True Assassin in FSN instead of some new power wank bullshit.

>>44308234
Forgot my name

>>44308234
Well it's my wife so I should be good on that front at least

>>44308140
True Gilgamesh

SHIN... GIRUGAMESH

>>44308183
>>44308167

To be fair Gilgamesh only existed himself to be a power cap. He barely had any likeable character development, no major role except to be a roadblock, and people don't really look at him, but more at his Gate of Babylon. strangefake made that very apparent when people got angry that Gilgamesh wasn't "the best" anymore. Oddly enough this kind of "power reduction" to Gilgamesh actually gives his character more opportunities for development.

People won't be happy when they realize that Gilgamesh and his gate are pretty mediocre in Grand Order's universe as well.

As far as True Servants go, it's basically as close as we've gotten so far to ORT vs Gilgamesh.

>>44308247
Now I understand there's going to be Yet another jump in the Fate multi-verse. Can you get more SP to spend by purchasing it with CP after you've already gone through The other two As both a master and a servant?

>>44308234
I'm thinking the only way they could get away with it is if they say "Some divine spirit/other bullshit was buffing them"

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>>44306224
To the best of my knowledge, you are the only one who is even thinking of it. Out of curiosity what are your plans for it, and do you plan to make it an end jump, regular, or two stage like with Gurren Lagan?

>MFW I see this and know nothing good will come of it but want to see what happens anyways.

>>44308234
I agree on the true servants, but I doubt it. It makes too much sense for, say True Archer to be the heroic spirit the class is based on for them to do that.

>>44308234
Won't happen Val, we already know True Servant Assassin exists on top of True Assassin. He has some sort of OP Presence Concealment EX+ thing.

>>44308255

Bancho, you know Nasu. Does this >>44304141 make sense for a reality marble? Is it too much or can I arguably throw a lil thing here or there based on loose interpretation?

Also, for further mental image, think Ultimate Human from Ben 10.

>>44308296
I'm not happy because their power level is ridiculous and that power just seems to be wank. I mean, who the fuck are they that they're stronger? Unless they pull out one of the earliest pharaohs or the kings of Ur or some shit, I can hardly imagine many older, and there are very few legend-wise that can justify being more powerful either.

>>44308305
No, when Grand Order is made you will be under the same restrictions as with Extra v Fate. You can get an obscene amount of SP already, you don't need even more.

>>44308324
I can always hope. Desperately. Miserably.

>>44308330
Dude the creator is right here >>44308349 ,It would be her call not mine
>>44308349
The thing is it says you do not not you cannot, so I was wondering if it was something I could purchase but not something I receive automatically for free

>>44308296
Also it just drives other servants into irrelevancy. People can challenge Gilgamesh, take advantage of his flaws, and prove themselves. But these guys are so strong, all the other servants don't matter. They're irrelevant and pitiful.

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I might make a Shin Getter Robo Armageddon or New Getter Robo jump.

While working on Transistor jump. I claimed Transistor and adopted Boktai.

However, until I at least have a plan regarding origins and perk trees for getter robo jumps, anyone can claim them

>>44308390
You don't get access to the supplement no matter what. Pretty clear on that.

>>44307964
That's why I chose to be summoned by everyone's favorite idiot one if the least likely to kill and a useful ally

>>44308349
Does that mean I need a third through eight person to make servants in Grand Order?

>>44308442
You can still be a Servant if you've been one before. You just don't get to buy anything new from the Supplement.

Not sure how I'm going to work the multiple Servant thing in G/O, got a few options though at least.

>>44308346
Not human. strangefake explicitly mentions that not even Gilgamesh can recognize the Gods that these True Servants are based off of. Most speculation has to do with Christian creation mythology (under the presumption that YHVH exists and created the world before years later we hit Babylon and such - the timeline doesn't really fit if you try to align it to mythology as we know it) - like Adam, Job, Jacob, etc.

They could also be Divine Spirit tier, like 9 orders of Seraphim or so forth (Michael, Metatron, I'unno) , but we know that at least some of the True Servants know each other and they aren't on friendly terms.

>>44308462
I see.

>>44308349
So we can convert the points were given to improve on us if we continue to be a servant?

>>44308415
Val. This? >>44304141
Is it too much or arguably I could throw in a lesser thing for it to do based on loose interpretation or something, like Archer's or Shirou's sword regeneration?

>>44308442
You're getting something like 3 servants in GO, because it's fucking CRazY town. Don't do mobile games everyone, there's crack, heroin, then there's the hard shit like mobile games that will suck your life and money away.

>>44308513
I thought it was five?

>>44308480
Still an overbearing challenge that makes it so other servants don't matter.

>>44308520
Only number I have seen Val state was 3, and she seems rather uncertain about what to do with it.

>>44308513
Technically there's five. You have the three on-screen at a given time, and then two off-screen for support.

>>44308497
No. No SP. No matter what. You get it in the first jump you become a Servant and none of the others. You can get up to 2800+ SP in one alone, if you're not happy with that absurd amount it's not my problem.

>>44308500
You need a limit on the level of power you can borrow and the number of abilities you can use at once. The binding of instant kills doesn't really make any sense either.

>>44308549
I meant in the game. Is it not 5? So we should be gettin' five.

>>44308520
Standard formation is 3 active and 2 on sidelines. Fate System supports multiple connections, but not multiple simultaneously active connections. Not sure how Servants would work outside of the jump given that they aren't really contracted to you directly, but is entirely dependent on FS.

>>44308551
Ahh ok thanks you

>>44308513
>. Don't do mobile games everyone, there's crack, heroin, then there's the hard shit like mobile games that will suck your life and money away.

Anon thats why instea of spending hard earned time and money, you spend fortune energy.

I mean what could go wrong?

Also on the topic of F/GO there's really no point in talking about it until the plot's ACTUALLY DONE.

I mean we havent even gone to LONDON let alone Jeruselem

>>44308614
Nobody should want to go to London.

>>44308614
>implying Red hasn't stolen all the fortune energy
>implying Binbougami wasn't just one massive trap
>implying we haven't fallen for it

>>44308548
Except that's evidently not true. Strangefake isn't even finished, so we have no clue how the True Grail War will end versus the strangefake war. The whole "using Gilgamesh as a gauge" mentality works for Fate/Stay's verse, and strictly only that. Outside of Stay's verse, Gilgamesh isn't a suitable gauge at all. He's simply not at the same caliber. Strangefake's war is waged on information and deception, rather than just sheer power.

If Grand Order ever gets turned into a jump, you should keep that in mind, since Extra and strangefake are in Grand Order, and Nasu's direction has largely been to tone down Gilgamesh's "prominence" in favor of other servants. He's just another normal servant, not some sort of special tier bar to gauge yourself on.

>>44308630
Anon, as far as I know Sherlock's semi official stats are right behind London. I NEED TO KNOW FOR SCIENCE

>>44307295
>instead of 1000 immortal warriors

Yeah, the warriors aren't immortal, that's just the name. It says so in the description. The bone Golem is genuinely indestructible and resurrects itself if it gets destroyed. It's like the terminator except fifty feet tall and it gets more powerful by eating the bones of its enemies.

>>44308659
The problem is that if Gilgamesh can't challenge them, no other servant can. They're annihilated.

>>44308630
L O N D O N
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>roll Isstvan V in 40k

I am so having buddy cop adventures with Vulkan. But less crime and more heretics.

>>44308670
It isn't indestructible, it doesn't say anything like that. It's a human sized pile of bones. Bones aren't all that hard compared to metal. It can be easily destroyed. It revives, but that doesn't mean much. It's one golem made of weak material.

Compare that to the soldiers, who revive too, and there's 1000 of them, and they have metal. They're superior in every way except needing to eat.

>>44308551
Hm.

The instant kill binding... Before Nasu, I rolled Gurren Lagann and took that fisticuffs perk...

But most importantly, my jumper, despite everything, is paranoid. He wants to be a hero, a protagonist, a guy who relies on power of friendship to win. In his mind, this doesn't make him straight up immune to Insta kills but makes him resistant, so him continuing past it is due to his determination. Also, because any anime hero being Insta killed by some bullshit is anti climactic.

It is mostly borrowing usually one signature ability. It can't make me much more powerful than when I would completely go full out and if I were to, let's say, befriend Saitama, it won't give me super power boost.

Mostly it is immune to anti climactic bullshit, getting signature stuff, while also powering this stuff and abilities I have to fit my level of power. So weak abilities like Pokemon Aura, if they would be super weak compared to other stuff I have on scale of power, are scaled up...

Unless some jump has a perk that does similar thing?

So where could I get me (or my companions) alter egos and/or berserker modes?

>>44308685
That's also wrong. There are plenty of other servants in strangefake's verse that are explicitly stronger than Gilgamesh, introduced in the "prequel" work. Strangefake runs off of a similar verse to Grand Order where Gilgamesh isn't top dog and has never been top dog.

Pale Rider/Karna/Siegfried could probably give several of the True Servants a run for their money. We just won't see it in strangefake. Might see it in Grand Order.

>>44308751
I'm talking about normal servants like you get during a grail war. Your Cu Chullain or whatever is absolutely fucked.

>>44308710
Actually, that bone golem is one of the strongest units in the game. Like, it will wipe out a stack of immortals of another nation no problem.

>>44308710
>It isn't indestructible, it doesn't say anything like that.

Directly copied from the jump:
>The Bone Golem resurrects itself in your capital when destroyed.

>the soldiers, who revive too
Directly copied from the jump:
>Typically they fight wearing face covering helmets, their numbers held at a constant thousand, with any casualties replaced immediately giving the impression they are truly immortal.

They wear masks and any casualties get replaced by new guys so it looks like they are immortal. Pretty sure the Persians did the same thing IRL.

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>>44308774
>Fate
>Normal
>NORMAL

Anon the Nasuverse is literally built on exceptions and exceptions for exceptions, Gilgamesh isnt the Gold Standard.

>>44308796
In the game. The game isn't the jump. In the jump, it's a crappy pile of bones.
>>44308800
>Directly copied from the jump:
That says it revives. That doesn't mean it can't be destroyed. Then it has to walk all the way back. Whoop-de-doo?

>Pretty sure the Persians did the same thing IRL.
Maybe? But the thing is, that's an automatic effect described by the perk, not just a trick. So you always have 1000 soldiers that are far stronger than the golem.

>>44308731
>Sclaing abilities
No, that's definitely too much too boost every power you have up to your current level. Even a lesser version of that would fit it's own RM entirely.

>Borrowing one ability
That's fine. Even a handful of them would be good, up to stuff that equals or is a bit above your own power level too.

>Anti instant death
Eh, it's a bit much but just being anti instant death is probably workable in that theme. Being immune to all anti climactic things goes too far though.

>>44308820
Why are you being such an annoying pedant? I'm expressing this pretty clearly. Servants from any of the other wars are fucked. There's no hope. They had hope of beating Gilgamesh, but not these True Servant fucks. It's impossible, meaning they'd be irrelevant.

>>44308800
>Persian Immortals
They did. That's where the 'Immortals' term came from.

>>44308710
>It's a human sized pile of bones.

It says that every bit of the golem is carved from elephant bones since they are the only thing big enough. Doesn't sound human sized.

>>44308774
Siegfried, Karna, and Pale are normal servants. They were summoned in Apocrypha and strangefake. If you're going into those wars there's no reason why you can't summon them. Apocrypha basically did the same thing as strangefake where plenty of servants were made explicitly stronger than Gilgamesh due to the circumstance and nature of the Grail War.

Is strangefake potentially a trap setting? Definitely, but as far as I know the jump was made before the novel picked up again.

Again, if you read strangefake they do touch on the fact that the True Servants have potentially a different objective altogether, it's just not revealed yet.

You sound kind of pissed off that Gilgamesh is reduced to everyone else's level.

>>44308877
Elephant sized then. Still weaker than 1000 humans, and the material is still weaker than metal.

>>44308889
I'm pissed off that all the servants who aren't him or these three fucking people you keep repeating as a mantra have no chance.

>>44308893
>material
Nigga it's fantasy magic. I wouldn't be surprised if the material was stronger than fucking Superman. Get your realism outta here.

>>44308893
Did a bone golem kill your family or something? There's a weird level of hostility going on here.

>>44308710
The bone golem is the strongest non-hero melee/world unit creature in the game. Fucker is swole. Similarly the dwarves have the strongest cavalry in the form of hornguards.

Dwarves in Fall From Heaven are the quality over quantity race - except they're also the industrial race so they also get quantity. They're sorta weak on the hero unit front, they get Barnaxus early on who is a strong hero for that portion of the game and a good chunk of the upgrades you get from leveling it up are automatically applied to every golem you build in the future.

Luchuirp are fucking broken good. You'd think the centaur fuckers would have the best cavalry, fuck no, its the dwarves and their super heavy hornguard.

>>44308930
It doesn't say that. It just says it's made of elephant bones, and we know how hard bones are.

>>44308942
Because the argument is really dumb so far. I just see a lot of appeals to information that's not in the jump and thus does not count.

>>44308415
So the thing that makes this jump's universe so distinct is not available if you went to Those other two jumps...? That kind of stinks

>>44308856
I seem to recall you can get a reality marble in both nasuverse jumps and the second one empowers the first, that about right? Or can it give it more abilities or themes?

As for scaling... Well, how about not to the same level but just boosts it? Think of how Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann has specialties of all pilots scaled to match in the titular mega, like Viral taking the reigns and dual wielding or Yokos sniper rifle.

Although it could instead be scaling up for the signature abilities of the bonded people...

So, for example, if I befriended Mistral in MGR, while these additional arms of hers are fragile or the spear.. They are not THE SAME.

>>44308953
In the game. The game is not the CYOA. None of this is reflected in the jump, not about the golem, not about the hornguards.

Plus the companion really is trash, I guess people agree with me if they haven't brought up objections so far.

>>44308953
Anon. You're talking to a guy who is taking information already told to him, and disregarding it.

You're literally talking to a brick wall.

>>44308983
The problem is that this information is in terms of gameplay bonuses. When you jump there, you're in the actual world. Gameplay bonuses don't mean anything. None of this info in converted into a 'real' form within the CYOA or even described at all, so you can't just accept your +10 mining bonus as an actual thing.

>>44308977
People haven't brought up objections today because you've ran this fucking topic into the ground like it's a face-down, ass-up whore.

At this point people just want you to fucking move on with your life instead of hating a fictional golem.

>>44308977
No, don't assume people agree with you because they aren't saying anything. People don't have to get involved in every single thing going on in thread. If people aren't bringing anything up, its most likely because they don't care about what you are talking about, and aren't paying attention.

>>44308955
>It doesn't say that. It just says it's made of elephant bones, and we know how hard bones are.
We also know that bones don't get up and walk around on their own. You know how they do that? Fucking magic. Is it really that hard to believe they don't have some kind of 'strengthen material' spell component written into the reanimation matrix?

>Because the argument is really dumb so far. I just see a lot of appeals to information that's not in the jump and thus does not count.
Seriously? That's your logic? That the jump doesn't spell everything out perfectly for you?

Are we going to harp on the Mass Effect jump for not detailing the Reaper threat? Or the Sins of a Solar Empire jump for not providing the specs to every single ship in the game?

>>44308972
Well, you can't really work two separate RMs so I've said in the past that they'd just stack like strength perks however you work stacking perks.

Again, boosting every power, item, ability etc you have is way too far. It being the powers of those you borrow is maybe workable, but you'd probably need to limit the number of abilities you have then.

>>44308959
You can be a Servant. You just don't get more SP. The ridiculous amount of SP you can get in a single jump is enough to make you easily outmatch any Servant barring maybe a handful such as Gilgamesh, BB, Saver etc.

>>44309048
>BB
You'd need more SP than both Fate jumps combined to match that bullshit.

>>44308977
The jump is directly based on the game. Do you argue that in a 40k jump nothing should work based on the lore of 40k because its not 100% spelled out for you? Look at how much of the Fate crap has to be questioned out, according to you none of it matters because its not reflected in the jump.

You're super salty bro. Dwarves are master race. Pick Beeri Bawl and cruise to victory. Cuck the Sheaim at every victory critical wonder and deliver vengeance on the Balseraphs with your magic immune nullstone ass wreckers.

>>44309004
It just sucks because he's literally the worst person short of the fire goddess. Like I'm expected to pall up with this guy? And the dwarves get so little else that's unique to them, and what is, well, that's what this argument is about.
>>44309027
I was specifically talking about the people I was arguing with. No need to get so upset, Christ.

>>44309039
You can assume they've used magic to make it walk, you can't just assume they used magic to make the bones harder. That's fanwank and going beyond stated information to add unsupported power. You can't assume you get something that's not there.

>>44309070
See >>44309000 for specifically why I don't think you can take it for granted. Gameplay bonuses are tied to it being a game. When you jump there, you're not in a game. You're in a world.

>>44308912
What? You want more? Dumas' Sublimation used properly could also fight them. He's the Caster class by the way. No Name Assassin can fight them in the traditional Kiritsugu way (yes, the True Servants have masters), same thing with Berserker Assassin. Technically I should only be comparing in the same world, since strangefake and apocrypha run off of the same mechanics.

Most of the servants actually don't give much of a fuck about Gilgamesh, since they all hard counter him. People were pissed at one point because Gilgamesh is explicitly last place in terms of how useless his abilities are in this war.

Heck you could say that the True Servants were made specifically to kill Gilgamesh's advantage, which leaves them open to other options. The only thing that True Archer explicitly no selled was all of Gilgamesh's abilities - he even warns him beforehand, even though he knows that Gilgamesh won't heed him. True Rider doesn't even bother to acknowledge Gilgamesh's presence.

>>44306421
Nah man, nah. Don't feel bad about going the Magic Circuit Route. They give you something that very few jumps give you.

You can get lots of "Boost your magic pool" boosts. Thousand Master, Valka, tons of them. But I can only think of two things that boost your magical bandwidth. Having a lot of magic power at your disposal is one thing, but you've got to be able to tap it. If you're pumping all that mana through a garden hose, it's going to take longer to form spells and feed them.

I figure more Magic Circuits = More Bandwidth. The only other boost to that I can think of is High Bucket Capacity from Slayers. I took the 60/270 magic circuits, magic crest and magic core too. HSDW might be more hax within the nasuverse jumps, but I'll take my bandwidth boost.

Not to mention, my Caster Rasputin's got HSDW A+, so it's not as if the option is totally unavailable to us

>>44309105
>You can't assume you get something that's not there.

it costs like 600 cp, you can infer from that it's worth something.

>>44309106
I don't get your argument. That they can no-sell Gilgamesh implies they're stronger than him, not that their power can explicitly only effect him. It's logical to assume they'd destroy other servants too.

I rolled Apocrypha so I barely missed getting destroyed here. It's not contemporary with this nonsense is it? Not going on within the same ten years? Because otherwise I'm probably dead. I can stop Vlad before he goes full Dracula, I can take advantage of Gil, but going off of the power I get through the jump, these True Servant people would absolutely destroy me like they would any other normal servant.

>>44309105
Ok so in the world of a jump, every weapon in every video game world is shit. All the opponents are shit because they're real now and have to constrain to your very narrow idea of how things should be than how they're represented.

Age of Ice is a cake walk now, no one is good at anything, the dragon is piss weak because magic isn't real and being that huge it'll collapse on itself immediately. No threat at all.

>>44309173
Most magic doesn't work like that anon.

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>>44308889
Hold on, Karna's in Strange/Fake? If he is, I'm rooting for him.

>>44308657
Some of us were gunning for the Misfortune God option. Not saying it was part of our plan, but...it might have been part of our plan.

>>44308513
Don't forget other people count as items.

Yes, you can apparently get Taiga as an "item" to enhance your Servants with.

Somehow.

>>44308614
Somewhere deep under the Earth's surface, the Bazaar frantically searches through the Fifth City for the love story it needs, whispering Please be in LONDON

>>44309174
Not really. Cost is just cost. It doesn't tell you anything but its expense.

>>44309191
Can you try not to make an argument of absurdity?

>>44309254
>Can you try not to make an argument of absurdity?
Can you? I'm being honest here, I do not understand your reasoning.

>>44309105
But stats and bonuses exist to reflect some kind of ability.

>>44309048
Ah, it is not meant to be all their abilities at once. It is supposed to be me switching between them. Maybe I can't use the same ability twice during one manifestation of reality marble?

A different idea would be temporarily summoning those I befriended for an action or two before combining like the second TTGL movie, but wasn't sure whether to put it in or not... I guess this idea can be dropped, let's go back to borrowing... Hm.

Oh no, it wasn't meant to scale items or every single ability. It was supposed to affect perk stuff or personality learned things that were not incorporated or boosted by other perks, as they would together count as one ability.

>>44309254
You don't really get how pricing perks works, do you?

Lemme give you a hint - in JC, more cp = more powerful

>this entire thread right now
Holy shit I just need the popcorn and this song will fit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LQftYK2n8o

>>44309254
Can you?

The jump is representative of the world. That world is represented in the game. Ergo, we can take what the game represents as what occurs in the fucking world.

>>44309279
My reasoning is that you simply can't construe a gameplay bonus, which is way too abstract, as an actual aspect of something's power and ability. I mean, rock paper scissors. Paper beats rock because the game says so. But in real life? That rock can be used to tear the paper which can't really hurt anything. It's not so drastic as that, but you can't take something for granted like that when it's so abstract.

>>44309312
Again, boosting even just your perks is obscenely powerful. I'd recommend dropping that part and just focusing on the borrowing of power and the side effect of anti instant death. Those two fit the theme well and are a lot easier to make balanced.

>>44309320
Not that guy, but there are some shitty 600CP perks. Generally higher prices means more use/better, but that's not always true.

>>44309347
>>44309362

>>44309189
No, True Archer explicitly refer to Gilgamesh's abilities and tells him that there's no point in using the Gate of Babylon because it won't have any effect. He asks Gilgamesh to pull out Ea so at least it won't be too boring. That's before Rider kicks Archer into the ground over some sort of grudge. Outside of fighting Gilgamesh the True Servants don't really interfere with the strangefake war at all (so far). The other Servants on the other hand stand some sort of chance against the True Series, just that there's no existing conflict at the moment anyways.

True Assassin is a complete unknown in every respect, to the point that Gilgamesh won't even be able to see him if Gilgamesh was standing in front of him. His own master can't discern anything about him either, so I guess it's "fair" in some twisted OP sense.

Apocrypha is slightly worse than strangefake, given that you're going up against a pair of Ruler classes, Karna who can't die, Siegfreid who can't die, and summons like Gilgamesh and such have been explicitly mentioned to be "inaccessible" due to their summoning catalysts being lost in the period of the minor/incomplete grail wars. Vlad barely survives going up against Karna, and ironically the Yggmillenia aren't the bad guys. Big bad in Apocrypha is Shirou, whose intentions aren't "bad", but certainly his means aren't the best.

Translations for that aren't finished yet either...so, yeah, good luck.

>>44309362
+10 damage is a gameplay bonus and way too abstract. Every gun in fallout is equal to each other.

Leveling your skills is a gameplay bonus, which is too abstract. It doesn't work like that in the real world.

DPS isn't real, all destruction spells in Skyrim are the same. All hits in a fighting game are equal.

>>44309362
Like, 90% of JC is abstract as fuck. If you're looking for things to make 100% sense and apply to normal rules, you're in the wrong place.

>>44309386
I wish I could justify buying Wings of Vercingetorix Rank 3 to myself. That shit is ballin', but it gets outclassed so fucking fast.

>>44309048
So you make your reality marble evolve to do the same thing stronger or a new branch of something related to it ?

>>44309249
Karna isn't in strange/fake (yet). He was in apocrypha, which is a questionable prequel to strangefake. We know that the yggmillenia family loses control of the True Grail to Shirou, and later on the Red Masters show up in strange fake again, we just dunno whether Shirou decides to peacefully back out at the end of apocrypha or not.

Or maybe Jeanne found a loophole to abuse. Either way, with Karna around and his True Invincibility, it's pretty tough to see Yggmillenia making a comeback. Having Ruler as a master...if Grand Order taught us anything, it's that Rulers are too fucking good as masters.

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>>44309346
Fool! A fake could never measure up to the original!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B0CyOAO8y0

...speaking of Age of Ice, we just remembered the magical monster clown civ is a thing there. Fucking Balseraphs, how do they work?

There is a time where the only appropriate response to a thing is to throw psychically sharpened cosmic fire at it until is stops existing meaningfully. This is one of those times.

>>44309383
Hm, alright. A lesser version of this would be being able to borrow power from just one person or such, while in fully manifested marble it would allow signature stuff, anti instant death and boosted versions of said signature stuff, not my own perks. It is completely power of Friendship.

Potentially, depending on number if abilities, it could allow me to go for to toe with Gilgamesh. Especially since I could arguably survive his attacks. Still get fucked up but not death through Gae Bolgs attack of "you being hit happened first, the spear just moved to match that outcome".

This is essentially, well, Archer's Unlimited Blade Works except with friends and instead of regeneration it's resistance. Hm... Yeah, makes sense.

IF I UNDETSTOOD UBW PROPERLY

>>44309484
Sure

>>44309452
My point is that you can't assume you get these when the jump doesn't say so, though. It's too abstract to assume it's how it really works, and it doesn't say you get them, so why assume you have that power?

>>44309362
Okay. Good reasoning, but that's not how the jump you are referring to works. The stats in that game are abstract of what they would be in that world. In this case, maybe you're partially right. Maybe the bone golem isn't as strong as the immortals. However, the bone golem doesn't need pay. It doesn't need to eat. It doesn't need to sleep. And it's fucking terrifying to fight against, as it's a giant man made of bones charging across the battlefield to put you on his wild ride. The Immortals are just dudes. Highly trained dudes, but just dudes. Dudes that need all the things a bone golem would scoff at, if it could scoff.

And before you start telling me that you can outfit or retrain the immortals into better immortals, let me say that you can do the same fucking thing with the golem. Give it wings. Give it electrical charge. Hell, maybe melt down some metal and coat it in a thin film of mithril. You get what I'm saying here?

>>44309429
>The other Servants on the other hand stand some sort of chance against the True Series, just that there's no existing conflict at the moment anyways.
Again, how do you figure? It sounds far more like they're so good they can negate Gilgamesh. The idea of only having that power against Gilgamesh is absurd.

>>44309531
You're arguing something antithetical to the whole chain of jumps.

>>44309429
Also how you didn't comment on this chronologically.

>>44309531
Because jumps are usually created by one guy who simply will not think of everything. If you just went off of what is strictly stated in a jump, nothing would work like you expect it too. Think about those descriptions of a perk/power that go "hehehe like a certain x". Well, they didn't straight up say "okay it works just like this guy" so you don't get ANY power. You have to read between the lines, is my point.

>>44309513
You need to decide on the number of abilities first and remember that it should only boost to match your own power, rather then far above it.

Also, anti instant death shouldn't do anything against Gae Bolg, as it's not an instant death attack, just one that's (Sort of) certain to hit. If you can survive being stabbed in the heart with a spear that leaves a big semi-permanent wound you can survive Gae Bolg.

>>44309582
>>44309632
People normally do not assume a perk has powers it isn't said to have.

>>44309542
Dudes that would completely destroy the golem and invalidate having one. I mean, you don't have very many troops in that faction either. They'd destroy you since they're better than all of them. Just roll you over, and you don't even have a number advantage.

>>44309693
[citation needed]

>>44309515
Oh, it can have a new thing related to it?

Interesting...

http://youtu.be/IuBLjic9uZQ

>>44309513
I didnt realize that THAT ability of Gae bolg is less effective against those who can move without hearts.

>>44309718
How new are you? People get shouted at all the time for going outside of perk descriptions.

>>44309752
There is a difference between differing from it and different interpretations.

>>44309575
The other Servants' powers are designed around erasing a Servants' source of power, either their myth in the case of Caster, or their Master, in the case of Berserker and Assassin, or...just everything else, in Rider's case with his conceptual death. Enkidu's probably at the same tier as Gilgamesh unfortunately since the two of them are basically plotbound to one another, and Saber-kun is still an unknown, but with all Arthur Sabers, there's always the chance of Rhongomyniad showing up since this is a Fake Grail War...and Rhongomyniad is basically the antithesis to Gilgamesh and the War.

Gilgamesh, true to Gilgamesh fashion, never bothers to even consider these routes in the fight against True Archer. True Archer's words basically imply the ending to ufotable's UBW, where Shirou tells Gilgamesh about Gil's fatal flaw. Every Servant in this war can exploit this flaw. It's even worse in apocrypha, where Karna, Vlad, and most of the Black Servants can abuse the Yggmillenia loophole to burn Gilgamesh down. Really if the Yggmillenia didn't have Shirou as an enemy and they weren't jobbing it in the beginning, I don't think there'd even be a proper war. They made the mistake of thinking tanking a Ruler would work.

>>44309792
People always get shit for saying they have powers the perk doesn't say they have, which is basically what's being argued about here.

>>44309811
So what you're saying is that Servants without very specific noble phantasms are screwed? That doesn't help most servants or me much anon, since we don't have that.

Still curious about when this takes place, by the way. I want to know if they killed me or not.

>>44309627
Cause no one has a clue. With apocrypha not completely translated yet, and I still can't find all the native Japanese novels to read through, I honestly don't know exactly how it ends, and how long it takes to get to strangefake. The connection we know is that the same Clock Tower Masters from apocrypha are in strangefake, so feasibly they are well within 10 years of one another, but one war is in Romania and the other is in the US.

Seeing that in apocrypha/strangefake's universe, grail wars are a commonly known recipe made thing and Yggmillenia pretty much leaked out the way to start a grail war and even create a makeshift grail, it's not outside of reason that apocrypha and strangefake are within the span of 10 years, but there's nothing explicitly in the novels detailing a time so far.

The time factor is as tenuous as the Lev/Ars Goetia connection between Clock Tower and Chaldea.

>>44309813
But when that power is completely backed up by the source material, that's a very different thing than what you're doing which is assuming that the power the perk gives you is wrong.

>>44309976
I think it's also worth noting that, how are people supposed to know it supposedly does that if they didn't play it?

>>44309891
Pretty much? All of the wars in Apocrypha/strangefake's verse are "specialized" wars. Apocrypha's Romania War was held specifically with Servants that could work well in teams in mind on the Black Side, and Servants that could be used effectively all by one Master on the Red Side. Strangefake's War is held with the premise that every single Servant has very specific powers.

It's one of those settings that are completely fine as long as no wild cards are tossed in, but if you happen to be the wild card that doesn't fit the motif, you're likely to get erased because you don't fit in to the equation. The more into the side works of Fate you go, the more instances you'll find this type of specialization, and the harder things get. It's just a byproduct of authors wanting to make "special" servants in their own eyes.

Grand Order is pretty much the same thing as well, except every single Servant is dumbed down so that nobody has any superiority over anybody.

I am a little bit butthurt over Color in body mod still costing so much. Is there really no way to just have your character in a jump if you took an origin to have white or such hair?

>>44310002
They ask in thread. Same as the people that don't watch/read the Fate stuff.