Modern General

Cranial Plating

>>44158467
Really? Why do you say that?
I guess I could see it. It nerfs Affinity without killing it. But does Affinity need a nerf right now? It is number one in the meta but that doesn't mean its unbeatable

is Pod banned yet?
failing that, some blue cantrip

>>44158506
Yes and the only blue cantrip modern has left is Serum Visions.

>>44158418
Urza's Tower

>>44158418
Is meme rhino even relevant in Modern? It seems like Jund does BGx better.

>>44158506
Yes
Maybe Gitaxian probe if they have to ban a cantrip

>>44158484
That or Ravager getting banned again. Affinity is good because it has a million great cards, this would make it tier 2 probably

>>44158542
sorta. abzan plays it and abzan is decent but not top tier

>>44158542
Not right now because whites weak, I just like lightning helix on a dude. And yeah Jund is better right now.

>>44158535
/devilish/

>>44158558
I'd be cool with Affinity getting a nerf, maybe even Etched Champion, but like I personally dislike the deck so I'm biased.

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I just want a thread without name/tripfags

>>44158576
I just think that having Ravager AND Plating working together in the same deck is insane

>>44158605
I mean you're kind of right. Plus with Inkmoth Nexus its even lower effort to kill your opponent. Even with Kommand

>>44158605
But they don't work together.

>>44158638
No, you're right but they're both incredible on their own and do pretty much the same thing. Plus they work at instant speed. Ravager is better now that I Think about it desu

Honestly I just come to these threads for the nice cards people post.

>>44158418
Ensnaring Bridge and Amulet of Vigor

>>44158418
Not that I want it banned, but I'm going with Summer Bloom because WotC is a shit.

They might actually ban splinter twin to stop exarch twin from dominating so much of the meta, despite it not being that much of a problem. I think they just might be afraid of the numbers it puts up

>>44158740
Bloom titan literally did nothing wrong.

>>44158826

instead they should ban lightning bolt since lightning bolt is the real reason twin is so good

its also the reason why white is not good in Modern, why Jund is better than Abzan

>>44158882
That would actually be fantastic but I doubt it's going to happen

>>44158882
banning bolt would literally change the format from the ground up, burn would die and weird 1-3 toughness creatures would explode everywhere making shit worse.

>>44158957
Bolt and Path are a big part of what makes modern so fast, so it would be almost impossible where we would stand without it.
Nacatl would be even better

>>44159010
wasnt nacatl just unbanned? Why would it get rebanned less than 6 months later

>>44159053
Nacatl has been unbanned for almost two years.

>>44159053
what can stop it if bolt is gone? Path? Shock?

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>>44158418
Friendly reminder that Modern is quickly becoming Legacy 2.0

How do we lower the cost of entry for modern? It's obvious that the Modern Masters lowers the price of reprints, but everything else not reprinted skyrockets, making it actually more expensive.

>>44158698
Like, pictures of cards?

>>44159226
MM is pretty much the only way, and even that doesn't work very well.

Rather than banning, modern could do some reprints and unbannings. It's hard to say if banlist is too narrow or too wide, but it's either one or another. At the moment the format is FULL of unfair linear decks which makes this just a draw race for win. I wonder how the Pod got to kill relevant decks so fast, but I feel like the format needs some kind of toolbox deck to keep all linear style decks in check. Sure, GSZ would make it easier for some decks to combo, but it would also allow toolbox decks to battle things out. I also feel like current meta would allow things like Bloodbraid elf. How is it more unfair to cast bloodbraid elf on turn 3-4 than it is to cast Primeval titan on turn 2? (And no, I'm not saying amulet bloom shouold get banned. It's christmas land deck that is just unfair style.)

It's like why dredge is banned? (dread return) when you have linear style decks like affinity that can kill on turn 2. Or hyperaggro zoo lists that kill on turn 3. It's not like those are any more fair than dredge styles uninteractive decks that get killed by same silver bullets that other do. I don't know whjy ponder and preordain are banned also. Yes, filtering is damn good and it helps twin a lot. But on the other hand it helps any other U based deck to find answers. Makes a game tad more interesting than just hoping you pull the exact card you need on top. Jace ban is ridiculous, since it's so slow, that it's unplayable. Even if it wasn't compeltely unplayable, is it really such a big deal that control decks get something to keep them in meta? Watching at you ancestral visions.

Same with deathrite shaman. While it's bullshit and broken, I can't see why it's justified to have it banned while all the other bullshit decks are on rampant. It's also funny to see people speculating on Stoneforge mystic. Do people really think it's coming of with ban direction wotc has been taking? Why would it be, when they have kept yelling how it broke standard so many times.

What do you guys think about running mistveil plains in Restore Balance? I've been experimenting with a copy of it because I run flooded strand and it's pretty decent because I have more cascade triggers than cards to cascade into and it lets me play more balances if I need to

>>44159226
Wizards needs to reprint more staples and make sure there are more copies of Modern Masters. They don't make any money by people buying them and reselling them for 1k so producing more is a good idea, it would sell like hotcakes.

>>44159351
>Same with deathrite shaman. While it's bullshit and broken, I can't see why it's justified to have it banned while all the other bullshit decks are on rampant. It's also funny to see people speculating on Stoneforge mystic. Do people really think it's coming of with ban direction wotc has been taking? Why would it be, when they have kept yelling how it broke standard so many times.
Shaman is literally a turn 1 planeswalker. It's seriously broken in the format and one of the few cards that actually deserves its ban. Stoneforge could use getting unbanned though.

I'm surprised nobody mentioned ban goyf though, that would shake up the whole format

>>44159240
Yes. Pictures of cards. It's the only entertaining thing in these threads anyways since I don't have every card ever made memorized.

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>>44159184
No worries. I've had these for more than a decade.

>>44159010
You are joking? Bolt and path is one of the cards that keep getting game further than 2 turns, killing infect creatures etc. What makes modern fast is 90% linear decks you see topping. You either play hyperaggro that kills combo faster than it can go off or play combo that sometimes kills aggro faster than it kills you.

Glad to see that Grixis control does somewhat well in this meta, at least one fairish deck.

>>44159489
yeah i forgot about infect

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>>44159429
Here, these are parts of my Jund deck

>>44159411
Deathrite is broken, but not any more than Stoneforge is. While it's seriously big play on turn 1, it's not like stoneforge wouldn't win you the game the moment it's not answered. I would be glad if she was unbanned tho. Would push my monoW deck out from tier shit.

You do realize banning goyf would do nothing on format? People would just go from playing 4 goyfs into 4 tasigurs and it wouldn't affect any linear style deck.

>>44159429
Anything in particular you want to see? I have just about everything.

>>44159578
>Missmatching cards
You trully are a fag with every meaning of the word.

>>44159640
If it makes you feel better I'm trying to trade off the future goyf

I just lost 3 Dismembers
I have no clue what happened to them, I had them last night and now I can't find them at all.
What the fuck

Btw, just telling you guys now, but Geist of Saint traft is getting reprint. Shame it's a bit shit in modern.

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>>44159806
Holy shit you werent kidding
https://www.instagram.com/gameworldtv/

>>44159806
In this creature heavy standard meta he would honestly not be that great but logic is besides the point, he is a good card thus he won't get reprinted in standard.

Also I never got why he was a mythic.

>>44159960
Dude, take a look at >>44159931
Hes back.

>>44159979
>>44159931
Wait I'm retarded this is from a duel deck
Apologies

>>44159931
That art isn't as cool but it's still pretty sweet
I've always like him but I never had an excuse to run him, hopefully Bant Zoo becomes a real thing

>>44158418
Cranial Plating or Arcbound Ravager

Or both, I'm fine with that fuck you affinity

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>>44158418
Summer Bloom and Blood Moon

also from the last thread
>>44150694
>FTV: Modern
Liliana of the Veil
Inquisition of Kozilek
Raven's Crime
Wurmcoil Engine
Expedition Map
Chromatic Star
Cryptic Command
Electrolyze
Deceiver Exarch
Goblin Guide
Lightning Bolt
Wild Nacatl
Noble Hierarch
Might of Old Krosa
Glistener Elf
Arcbound Ravager
Cranial Plating
Signal Pest
Meerow Reejery
Cursecatcher

>>44160522
Fuck FTV and shitty foils, who the fuck wants THOSE! We need more modern event decks. They made one good product and were like "yeah fuck this, ain't gonna do more of those, what people want are CLASH FUCKING PACKS HOLY HSIT"

>>44160522
>>FTV: Modern
>Liliana of the Veil
no
>Inquisition of Kozilek
yes
>Raven's Crime
no
>Wurmcoil Engine
yes, although i thought it was already in a FTC
>Expedition Map
doubtful but possible
>Chromatic Star
no
>Cryptic Command
yes
>Electrolyze
doubtful
>Deceiver Exarch
possible
>Goblin Guide
no
>Lightning Bolt
yes
>Wild Nacatl
maybe
>Noble Hierarch
yes
>Might of Old Krosa
unlikely
>Glistener Elf
lolno
>Arcbound Ravager
no
>Cranial Plating
yes
>Signal Pest
no
>Meerow Reejery
no
>Cursecatcher
no

>>44159184
Except that it will soon have the power level and format diversity of Standard.

>>44159616
I'd like to see something useable in a Blue green deck.

Why do people not play Griselbrand in Gifts?

>>44161178
He's not really a win condition
Drop Iona and there isn't a lot the other player can do in most decks
Drop Griselbrand and you can...draw 7 cards? Not as big of an impact

>>44161178
Because it rhymes with tinsel band and I hate the quanza songs they make.

>>44161211
Idk man, a 7/7 flying lifelinker sounds like a good wincon to me.

How could I make a modern deck using the Holiday cards? I'm pretty sure my store owner would let me do it if it wasn't thaaaaaat stupid

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>>44161211
>fills your hand
>dat card advantage
>7/7 evasive lifelink
>card advantage isn't a wincon on its own
The fuck am I reading here, mate?

>>44161309
"Dies to removal" is a valid complaint when talking about a control finisher.

>>44161211
>drawing 7 cards
>not one of the most powerful things you can do in magic
>on top of a 7/7 lifelink flier

You've never played any griselbrand decks, have you?

>>44161178
Gifts + unburial rights is usually loooking to end the game on the spot. Griselbrand doesn't usually do that. It'll get you there and make it pretty damn easy, but you can still take care of it.

>>44161356
So do elish norn and iona. Iona takes a little more ingenuity though.

>>44161211
I play UR howling mine. They drop an Iona and name blue, I can still bolt and drop my owls and mines, if they name red I can bounce Iona, which is a really bad tempo-play for Gifts. Iona isn't that much of a threat.

>>44161394
He was specifically talking about gifts nigger. Grislebrand is fine on decks that run him for other purposes but compared to Iona he isn't that great because he can't shut down the other player on the spot

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>>44158467
You're kidding right?

>>44158418
Swamp.

>>44161394
>So do elish norn and iona
Iona doesn't unless they are in mardu colors thus running both path and terminate or BW with jank cards like victim of night and go for the throat. Norn at least wipes the board before dying to potential removal.

You need to understand that most of the time you are resolving gifts and then unburial you aren't in the best spot board and life wise and Grizzy B does nothing to change that fast. if you can untap with him, sure he is pretty good probably better than Norn but that is never a given.

>>44158418
Why on earth would they ban Siege Rhino? He's definitely not broken at all in Modern.

>>44161525
I didn't I just grabbed the first modern ish card in my image folder

>>44161565
But nobody plays Abzan in modern anymore.

>>44161211
Is Iona that much of a wincon against tri-color decks? Because Modern is pretty much filled with them.

>>44161597
How many tri-color decks run tri-color removal? Are you going to bolt it 3 times?

>>44161592
Yeah but I still like him :(

>>44161621
Well, depends on what color you call I guess.

>>44159578
>chandra
>jund
Really? List?

>>44161678
It's a one of. 3 Lilis one Chandra. I'd post a list but I'm busy studying rn

I really like her as a one of

>>44161648
That's kinda my point, most decks outside of like jund and any abzan deck running maelstrom pulse aren't going to have a variety of different colored removal. You can even call black against jund and they can't play terminate or maelstrom

>>44161678
come on man in every list there are a few wiggle slots where you can put pimp cards or cards you like

>>44161728
Eh, Jund would likely have IoK or Thoughtseize so the combo won't happen.

Doesn't affect Affinity for the most part.

Burn may actually be affected if they don't have a Path on hand, assuming that they aren't running a Relic either.


GR Tron wouldn't care unless they haven't built Tron yet

Amulet Bloom may be affected if they didn't have a turn 2 win.

Twin will have counters on standby

>>44161678
I play one of Chandra in my list. It helps sometimes.
4 Goyf
4 Bob
2 Scooze
1 Tasigur
1 Olivia
4 Bolt
3 Abrupt Decay
3 Terminate
2 K Command
3 Thoughtsieze
3 IoK
1 Maelstrom Pulse
4 Lili
1 Chandra
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Blackcleave Cliffs
3 Raging Ravine
3 Bloodstained Mire
2 Overgrown Tomb
2 Swamp
1 Forest
1 Mountain
1 Twilight Mire
1 Wooded Foothills

Bloom Titan or Tron? I was going to build tron and I talked about this the other day but I'm looking at more Titan lists and it seems really fun. Does it have any staying power or naw?

>>44162030
Tron's more consistent.

>>44162050
I've been hearing that Karn may get banned which will hurt the deck which is why I'm worried

>>44162030
I would be worried about the legality of Summer Bloom or Amulet of Vigor considering WotC

>>44162124
I'm worried about that too
It seems like all these tier-1 decks are on the brink of having some key card banned

just ban everything that isn't creatures or lands

>>44162206
Affinity would still be incredible

>>44162105
He's not getting banned. Tron isn't dominating the meta.

where are people getting their ban speculation from?

did wizards mention that modern might be getting sweeping bans?

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>>44161126

Suuuper old 12-post list. Not modern, though

>>44162325
Jelly M8

>>44162325
LOL holy shit this looks dumb. Is this what legacy is like?

I can really get behind that.

>>44162436

Yeah, pretty much. I've actually moved on and sold this deck a while ago, but I don't think the 12-post lists have changed very much.

>>44162236
possibly.

thopter, pest, skirge, ravager, champ, steve, master, mothlands. frogmite? other things? brass man?!

>>44162291
Nah its just fun to speculate.

>>44162436
This is JUST viable in legacy
It wins vs every slow deck, loses to every fast deck
For example of how strong legacy can be, in a good game as a Delver player, my opponent wont get past 2 mana and I will turn 4 them, with them having played no spells

>>44158418
Nimble Mongoose is reprinted. What effect does this have on modern?

>>44163233
Temur Delver might be a thing. It would probably go into Zoo decks as well. BUt honestly I'm not sure if it would be ran desu

>>44163233
Hellbent sees play? Maybe? Probably not?

>>44161354
Easier to be removed then Iona, not as devastating vs weenies as Norn. Answer is he's lackluster.

>>44163233
Some weird non traditional bogles deck is made. Honestly I like the idea.

>>44163466
Mongoose has shroud

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spiers spiked become an 2/1 elemental creature red to white with double strike until until the turn. I am still a land. -google translate

>>44163577
>4 mana for a 2/1
>even with double strike

Highly questionable. Need to be able to pump it, otherwise its useless.

>>44163577
Thats underwhelming, a 3/1 is much better

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Can anyone translate this.

>>44163703
All it does is enter the battlefield tapped

>>44163703
Dude I can't even read that language and I know what that does

Post more spoilers though, I'm interested

>>44161678
Chandra = Card Advantage
Its a 4 drop bob that can ping and is hard to remove due to the low amount of removal for planeswalkers used in modern, avoids dying to a single lightning bolt, out of range for abrupt decay, and can make ur opponents fatty unable to block to allow tarmo to swing in for a kill.

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Expensive as hell but actually really strong
Probably too costly for any modern deck that would want it but at least the abilities justify the mana cost

>>44163851
ultimate is shit
first ability is decent early on
second ability could be amazing but for 6 mana theres no way itll see play

>>44163880
>ultimate is shit
you fucking what

>>44163898
for an ultimate on a 6 mana walker?

>>44163880
Its not really an ultimate meant to win you the game, more of just a board sweeper/stabilizer.

>>44163851
Also can we appreciate how much fun Chandra looks to be having in that art? Shes just lighting minerals on fire and having a blast

>>44163910
You can use it on the turn you play it to wipe the board. How is it not great?

>>44163982
Eh I guess, but it just seems like there are better mass removal options, especially since it hurts your creatures as well. You could just run pyroclasm or anger of the gods. Plus, since it only hits for 4 the turn it drops you may as well just play earthquake

>>44163851
SKRED

>>44163880
Its infinitely better than some useless shit that gets activated maybe one in fifty games.

What are the feminine races for red and black.

angels for white

dryads/elves for green

and fairies for blue

what about red and black?

>>44164078
fair point

When are bans announced?

>>44164238
2-3 weeks after Oath release

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This seems really strong to me for a 3-mana 'walker, I feel like she can slide very easily into Abzan/Junk lists, where Gavony Township/Lingering Souls/Kitchen Finks is already a thing, or possibly even Jund lists when they run out their whole hands. Thoughts?

>>44165509
abzan tokens might be a thing

>>44165509
Wow. That is pretty fucking shitty.

>>44165509
She's really slow and I doubt the standard jund/junk lists really want her, but planeswalkers are easy to undervalue so I might be wrong.
I don't see anything they would want to take out for it though. Maybe Finks in junk I guess? Doesn't seem worth it.

>>44165509
Too slow for modern, will see standard play.

>>44165548
How so? 3 mana and you get a chump blocker and then you can threaten to anthem whatever board you have for the rest of the game; she makes it so that your opponent can pretty much never win in combat early on.

>>44165586
>1GG
Its only three but two hard green is punishing for a low cost
>+1
0/1's right now are rather nothing. I could understand it if it was a +2 but its not. Gideon can drop the next turn and start shitting out 2/2's. Immediately Nissa fails as in one turn Gideon over powers her.

Chump blocks are nice but only effective if the rest of the walker is worth it. To keep the walker alive. The 0/1's dont even have reach.

I would have liked to see something like
+1 Put 2 +1/+1 counters on target land. It becomes a 0/0 elemental creature token with haste.

-2
Only effective if you have a board state. While easy to do in green it does not help unless you are leading or in a stalemate.

-7
Its ok. It does not win you the game. At best it resets the game or is purely win more. Both options are not ideal. If you are in a spot where you desperately need the life and draw then you probably wont bounce back. If you are in a situation where the life and draw are just nice things to have you have likely already won the game.

She just feels off for a walker. She is most effective when you are already winning and cant properly defend herself or really lend to attacking. Her Ult best ability is to try and stabilize the game or to try and get your wincon out.

>>44161211
I know where you're coming from. In legacy grisel can grab fow and other awesome spells, but in modern he really isn't all that special, unless you're doing that weird instant reanimator deck.

>>44165761
he works in dredge too in legacy

>>44165773
Still though, 7 cards in legacy can do a whole lot more than it can in modern.

>>44165830
Dredge uses him to combo out, not great outside of that, you use him since he decks you and you win with maniac.

t. Dredge player Al·Baghdadi

>>44161678
Chandra sees some fringe play as a 1-of in Jund and occasionally Grixis, anon isn't crazy or Paul Cheon or anything for doing it

>>44161823
>Eh, Jund would likely have IoK or Thoughtseize so the combo won't happen.
Inquisition can't hit any of those pieces, as they're all >3CMC

>>44162325
Dude, you need to get some new ulamog in your life, pronto. Every time I cast him I win the game

>>44165509
The best fit for her I can think of is podless pod, acting like a "better" Gavony (for those unaware Township is fucking amazing in pod, can win you games on it's own and is sometimes a better topdeck than any other card in your deck) with her - and adding fuel for Chording with her +.

Shame the deck can't use her given that she isn't a creature.

>>44160522

You forgot Comet Storm

Which deck should I get with student loan eurobux in addition to Amulet? Thinking between Lantern Control, Living End or Scapeshift so I get to cast Remands for once.

>>44167776
All of those decks are approximately as expensive as each other, go with whatever you find most fun

>>44162030

In all honesty Bloom Titan is a fairly strong deck but when you play with the deck and against the deck I personally don't find any joy in it at all. And that's weird because I am mostly a combo player at heart and I just find Bloom Titan boring and unenjoyable despite the fact that I know it's a powerful deck.

>>44158418
Two of the following will be banned in modern in the next few months: Amulet of Vigor, Goryo's Vengeance, Summer Bloom, Simian Spirit Guide

>>44167839
>Goryo
Yes please.

>>44167839
>Goryo's Vengeance

Lol. Quit being a weenie and learn to play Modern, Craig.

>>44167873
It doesn't fit with WotC's goal for modern being a turn 4 format. Neither does Amulet, and I fully expect both to get axed over the next year.

>>44167887
They should ban Glistener Elf as well.

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>>44161126
>I'd like to see something useable in a Blue green deck.
>posts 20 minutes after I go to sleep
I've got to get to work, but here's an old pic I took of some blue stuff.

>>44167915
Daze has the gayest art.

>>44167887

Honestly though Amulet of Vigor is fine. It's Summer Bloom that's the problem. Banning Summer Bloom would stop you being able to do turn 1 Primeval Titan.

>>44167927
You can't t1 without simian.

>>44167927
I would ban Amulet because I dislike the combo, but banning Bloom would be good enough since they would have to rely exclusively on Azusa, which would most likely be reasonable.

>>44167903
If you want to bring Infect in line, just ban Become Immense. If you want to ban Infect, that isn't happening.

>>44167968
Infect can still win before turn 4 without Become Immense. Therefore, ban Glistener Elf.

All wins before t4 have to be banned.

>>44167989
WotC has stated that it will allow faster decks to exist, as long as they are not consistently before turn 4. Bloom and Goryo are pretty consistently turn 2-3, while Infect is generally turn 4 since you can interact with it in generic terms, whereas Goryo and Bloom require very specific answers.

Wizards garunteed not banning anything

>>44168015
Frank Karsten ran a simulation for Griselbrand and the likelyhood for a win was around 70%. But the deck had less than a 2% meta share. Why do you think that is.

Also, have you got links to statistics for the consistency of amulet bloom? I haven't seen anyone run any tests, just conjecture.

>>44168073
Unfortunately I haven't run any simulations, and am speaking only from my personal experience watching the deck played by fnm-tier scrubs against actually respectable players, and that experience is not good.

Obviously this means I have only anecdotal evidence, but in the absence of scientifically rigorous statistics I am left with no recourse.

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>>44168113
Are tournament results not considered valid statistics?

>>44167940

Some lists run the Simian though(not all do though). Even without it then they can drop down Titan on Turn 2 regardless.

>>44168145
There are a lot of variables in tournament statistics, like the meta, the pilots, the level of competition (SCG top 8 is very different from the pro tour) and the environment (previous events, location etc).

I would believe in a very exhaustive compiled list of highly competitive events, but such a thing couldn't really exist due to Event Count/Time, the environmental factors would have changed by the time we had a dozen events tallied.

They aren't worthless, but I take them with a lot of disbelief.

>>44168190
But your shitty anecdotal evidence is somehow more valuable?
If it was winning consistently people would be taking it to tournaments and winning. Instead, its 1/5th the meta share of Twin and seems to be going down. Yeah, there are variables there other than pure deck performance, but "an aggregated collection of the results of a bunch of tournaments" is probably the best reasonably possible metric of measurement to use. At the very least, "the meta, the pilots, the level of competition... and the environment" are going to be infinitely less significant influences when taken over multiple different tournaments from around the world both online and offline than some "fnm-tier scrubs" at one shop

>>44168259
Pro players generally don't play non-interactive decks like mono-red aggro or linear combo decks unless they are OVERWHELMINGLY the best deck in the format. I understand not taking my argument seriously on the prevalence front, but I never really said that it was the most popular. You don't see it winning consistently because, even at the highest levels of competitive play, people still want to play magic. Pro players want to be able to leverage their superior knowledge/skill over other, worse players, and a linear aggro/combo deck does not allow that in most scenarios. You either win or you lose, with no decision-making.

I don't understand the aggression, friendo

>>44168305
>Pro players generally don't play non-interactive decks like mono-red aggro or linear combo decks unless they are OVERWHELMINGLY the best deck in the format
Complete, blatant horseshit. Every pro tour, every GP, every Worlds, every Invitational, every SCG open has pro players playing a variety of decks of all flavours; aggro, combo, control and midrange. The idea that all pros play 100% control decks unless boss sligh is the best deck in the format is factually incorrect.

>You either win or you lose, with no decision-making.
Oh, the old "turn creatures sideways, combo off = no skill" meme. You should have just said you were a shit player who doesn't know anything about the game.

>>44168305
Not him but you are really showing that you have no clue what you are talking about. Pro players (at least most of the big names) will play the best deck like it or not, for further proof look at the burn primer that went up on CF a some months ago by Paulo Vitor Damo da Rosa, and also there are enough pro players to like every kind of deck for fast combo to control to freaking burn.

Saying objectively wrong and stupid shit like "Pro players generally don't play non-interactive decks like mono-red aggro" just shows how braindead and/or new you are. People like what they like, there is no hard rule for this shit like there isn't a hard rule with any magic player, but what makes pro players pro players aside from skill is that they WILL play a deck they loathe just because that deck is better for that event.

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>>44168305
>Pro players generally don't play non-interactive decks like mono-red aggro or linear combo decks
Ok, friend. I am sure you know best, proof be damned.

>>44160612

LMFAO so true. Saddest part was I actually got the modern event deck to get into the format. Shit wasn't terrible other than lacking the mana base which is an ungodly percentage of a decks cost.

>Get a set of Bloodstained mires for 20$ when they were in the 8 dollar range
>Can't do anything with them because Jund is way too expensive

I think i'm gonna trade them for Windswept's + stuff and make a Knighfall deck?

>>44168859
You have to ask if you want to make that deck?

>>44168446
Yeah, as a product it wasn't at all too bad. It honestly looked pretty good for anyone who wants to get into MtG. At least it was hundred times better than those dreadful intro decks and shitty event decks etc. shit.

And oh boy, mtgo has legacy event decks. One can only dream something as grand in paper.

>>44168859
Just buy windswepts. You'll regret trading fetches away. I traded all my Verdant Cats away thinking I would never play those colors, but then a month later I was building Jund.
I now own a play set of each Khans fetch and those aren't going anywhere.
Also windswepts are like 11 buxx each right now so get 'em while they're cheap

>>44163703
Mother fucker, haven't you learned even one romance language? Learn one and you'll be able to read magic cards in french, italian, spanish, and portuguese. Pleb.

>>44164238
>>44164702
January 18

What decks run Ensnaring Bridge apart from MemeLanterns?

This buyout is fucking ridiculous.

>>44169844
8rack did but since nobody plays it it doesn't matter.

>>44168305
>Oh, the old "turn creatures sideways, combo off = no skill" meme. You should have just said you were a shit player who doesn't know anything about the game.
Except RDW is one of the top decks in the meta
Pro players play what they think will win and also what they enjoy

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So, what are the chances that this will see play in Affinity?

>>44169982
It's like a land springleaf drum but it isn't an artifact
Probably not at all, may as well just run glimmervoid

>>44169972
I don't think that guy was saying aggro decks aren't played, he's saying they do require skill and that attitude is dumb

>>44170068
I guess that depends on the deck and it's relative power level to other decks in the format

>>44169982
None. Worse than Mana Confluence in Affinity.

>>44158594
I don't know why there have been more and more.

>>44161592
>abzan being 7% of the metagame on mtgtop8, same as Jund
>b-but nobody plays it anymore.

>>44170171
stats from the latest large tournaments say otherwise friend

>>44163598
>R/W getting a good manland
>ever
keep believing anon

>>44169844
I wonder if it's because of that stupid moon/bridge deck.

I'm going to pick up a playset of IoK's.
Do the modern event deck ones feel shitty (like intro pack cards) and are they more vibrant in color compared to the RoE IoK?

>>44163598
>4 mana (effectively 5 mana)
>Can't attack or block Rhino effectively

Step 1:
>unban Pod
>unban Stoneforge Mystic
>unban Dread Return

Step two:
>reprint Containment Priest
>reprint Flusterstorm
>reprint Cycle lands

Step 3:
>print a FoW-variant that does not suck
>see how it works out

Step 4:
>unban more shit (Zenith, Glimpse, Ponder, etc.)

>>44167790
Funny, for me its the opposite.
I normally hate decks as these as I think they are playing just with themselves, yet I find amulet bloom extremly fun

Anyone who thinks amulet bloom should be axed is retarded.
if anything, ban Hive Mind, that I can understand.

>>44170714

I don't mind playing degenerate decks but Amulet Bloom just feels a bit off to me.

>>44170526
That's legacy.

>>44170744
Pretty much this. This will not only not kill Amulet, but also prevent it from winning before turn 4

>>44158418
reprint price of progress in modern pls burn needs help

>>44171013
An unanswered t1 titan is also pretty much gg by turn 2-3. Not as foolproof as hive but still.

>>44171081
>burn needs help

Lol. Stop playing your monored budget list and play a real burn deck.

>>44171107
not even this guy but you hurt my feelings

>>44171093
Yeah but at least you can kill it, and its not game over.

>>44170422
Go with the RoE versions for, if nothing else, original-print-cred.

>>44171274
Sorry bby. We all start somewhere.

Kiss kiss?

>>44171081
As a tron player, I find the prospect of PoP in modern absolutely terrifying. When I'm not playing tron, I play three color decks like grixis and GBx. We already take enough damage from fetches and shocks.

>>44171081
Not sure if trolling or just stupid.

>>44171081
>burn needs help it's not tier 0 yet let's just give it the best tool to rape every other t1 deck

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>>44171081
Good lord no what are you smoking

>>44171081
PoP would be too busted.
Fireblast would be fine tho.

>>44170526
Step 4:
>Ban Arcbound Ravager
>Ban Cranial Plating
>Fuck Affinity gayest deck in the format

If i wanted to drop my hand turn 1 I would play Yugioh.

how is affinity going to be affected by the new colorless changes now that they'll have to use wastes mana to cast any artifacts?

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>>44172241
>now that they'll have to use wastes mana to cast any artifacts?

>>44172241
Are you actually retarded?

>>44171081
Just reprint Chain Lightning instead. I want my 16 bolts!

>>44171898
Seriously will you quit bitching about Affinity? You've been bitching about the deck for an entire thread now. If the deck pisses you off that much put artifact hate in your sideboard like Stony Silence, Ancient Grudge or Smash to Smithereens. Just please stop being a whiny pants shitting retard.

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Is this card good for burn? I've seen many lists run a playset but there's such varying opinions on if the card is good or not.

Anyone think that kozilek's return will have a place in gr Tron over pyroclasm?

>>44172462
Seriously will you quit bitching about Amulet Bloom? You've been bitching about the deck for an entire thread now. If the deck pisses you off that much put bloom hate in your sideboard like Blood Moon, Nature's Claim, or Flashfreeze. Just please stop being a whiny pants shitting retard.

>>44158542
It went through a phase where people basically ported Abzan Memerange to Modern but Jund won out in the end.

>>44172540
I actually think Amulet Bloom is a fine deck and would be upset if Wizards banned a key piece. Now stop bitching about Affinity.

>>44171898
You sound like you're just really bad at magic

>>44172493
Good in zoo not burn

>>44172515
Maybe although turn 2 is super important

>>44172515
Not at all. I cast wurmcoils and planeswalkers mostly. I have exactly one eldrazi. Casting it should be enough to put me in a good spot. I don't need a gimmicky sweeper. Although, I can dig for it with ancient stirrings...

>>44172973
But Zoos not a real deck senpai (at least not a real good one)

>>44172515
I could see it working since it's instant (manlands), fetchable with stirrings (devoid) and costs only 1 more, you usually can take the first 2 turns to face without being next to dead unless Infect has a god draw and it even wipes the board again when you cast Newlamog, leaving with you free to use its triggers on land destruction. Maybe a 2-2 split with pyroclasm in main?

>>44172515
I like how Kozilek's Return can hit Etched Champion.

>>44174607
Seems worth testing. I have a feeling I will favor pyroclasm simply for cost reasons but I might be surprised. Now is a pretty exciting time to be a tron player.

>>44174717
>>44174607
Forgot this, I'd put two Kozileks to side just so I can bring in 4 against Affinity.

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Some of my twin stuff came in along with the foil Spellstutters. God I love Rebecca Guay

>>44165509
Harden scales ?

>>44173955
well if nacatl is the postergirl for zoo but bad in burn what does that say about nacatl

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>>44174821
>Blood moons
>Not from The Dark.
It's 2015 people, come on.

>>44175102
White boardered moons put your opponents on tilt

>>44165509
what I could see happening is that she's put into play turn 2-3 and then you have to invest time and cards into not making her ultimate

chumps for days is stronger than it looks

>>44175133
That's a terrible excuse, Poorfag.

>>44175133
What does tilt mean

>>44159722
Maybe you just disremembered where you put them.

>>44175209
it's German for tap

so your opponent tilts out and you can resolve your white-bordered blood moon

>>44175209
Tilt is a poker term for a state of mental or emotional confusion or frustration in which a player adopts a less than optimal strategy, usually resulting in the player becoming over-aggressive. This term is closely associated with steam and some consider the terms equivalent, but 'steam' typically carries more anger and intensity.[1]

Placing an opponent on tilt or dealing with being on tilt oneself is an important aspect of poker. It is a relatively frequent occurrence due to frustration, animosity against other players, or simply bad luck. Experienced players recommend learning to recognize that one is experiencing tilt and avoid allowing it to influence one’s play.

The most likely origin of the word "tilt" is as a reference to tilting a pinball machine.[citation needed] The frustration from seeing the ball follow a path towards the gap between the flippers can lead to the player physically tilting the machine in an attempt to guide the ball towards the flippers. However, in doing so, some games will flash the word "TILT" and freeze the flippers, causing the ball to be lost for certain. The metaphor here being over-aggression due to frustration leads to severely detrimental gameplay.[2]

>>44175207
I traded my dark ones off forever ago because I didn't need them at the time, and I personally don't even like the art very much

>>44175266
>and I personally don't even like the art very much
You're more of a WoW guy, eh

>>44175295
I used to play in grade/high school but its been forever ago. Got to 60 and stopped

>>44165509
I can see her being used EXACTLY like Sorin, Lord of Innistrad was used.

Drop, give +1/+1... and then see if maybe she sticks around to +1 and then -2 again.

>>44173955
Idunno, zoo is getting better all the time. Zoo and Burn are really mixing together to be one deck now and thats kinda spooky

>>44175927
It is my opinion that burn is a better beast without wild nacatls. It is the nacatls that prompts you to suggest burn and zoo are merging to some degree yes?

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Picking up Fish soon. Any advise?

>>44176668
Remember that Cursecatcher is weaker than it looks

>>44176668
Just remember to disregard trip/namefags at all cost~

>>44176701
>making opponent play at 1 less mana is weak
>having something to aether vial in at 1 counter is weak
>having another merfolk body is weak

Hmmmm

>>44176668
Don't be an idiot like me and forget your Merrow Reejerey triggers.

Don't forget you can use it to untap your Aether Vial.

Don't forget your Spreading Seas counts as a U devotion for Master of the Waves

>>44176897
People overestimate the card way too much. You only wind up sacrificing it when its about to die anyways. Your second two points are fair though.

>>44176668
Yea, get robots instead

>>44176921
>Vial

Yea. I played Legacy fish once when I borrowed my friends deck. Halfway into my first game, I realized that I could totally do that and fell in love.

I can get away with 2 caverns, right? That's the biggest hurdle in modern for me. I only have 2, and mutavault is pretty cheap.

>>44177414
Yeah, most people only play 2.

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Straight into U Tron

>>44180470
>straight into the trash
FTFY

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>>44180516
anon your words hurt more than you could ever know

>>44180545
I knew exactly how much they hurt
That's why I said them

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>>44180545
I chose the words I knew would hurt you the most.

>>44165509
maybe for chord decks

>>44164142

red flamekin
black vampires

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>tournament tomorrow
>7 Key cards haven't arrived

>>44180609
>not wearing verbanium armor

it's the current year, people. come on!

>>44180746
Stupid frogposter.

Is it just me or are a lot of the decks in Modern actually kind of boring to play and play against? It doesn't help that Affinity, RDW, Twin, and two flavors of BGx are by far the most common decks in the format. Balls to the wall aggro, UR Combo, and goodstuff midrange?

Yeah, naw.

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>>44180571
>>44180609

>>44158418
Lightning bolt, Remand, Path, Goyf, and thoughtsize

>>44180783
I think you don't enjoy playing magic

>>44180783
Yeah but like
Legacy is expensive

>>44158594
It's just a thread. You should really relax. Seriously, you take trips way too fucking seriously.

>>44180801
>banning a card from white, the worst color

>>44158594
we all do anon

except the name/tripfags

>>44180853
All white cards should be banned IMO because all white cards are racist.

>>44180817
I like interaction. Increasingly Modern doesn't encourage any interaction beyond swinging with creatures and windmilling removal.

>>44180824
Modern's getting there. Aside from the lands many maindeck cards see play in both formats.

>>44180992
The most dominant deck in modern is also the most interactive

>>44181008
Affinity isn't that interactive.

>>44181008
>twin
>interactive

when someone says Tier 1 what power house decks do you immediately think of?

Twin, affinity, burn, jund, tron, ?

>>44180783

describe the kind of deck you would prefer to play with and against, be as specific as possible

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>>44181026
>>44181038
Burn Is pretty interactive
>Okay, so do I bolt him or his creature?

>>44181049
That's it
Maybe Bloom Titan

can somebody explain what "interaction" is ??

>>44181038
>twin
>not interactive

>>44181093
It's pretty much exactly what it sounds like, it's how much the other player gets to be involved in the game. A deck like Eggs has absolutely no interactivity, where something like Mono Green Stompy would be more interactive

>>44181093
whatever you think it is and everyone else is wrong

>>44181093
Being almost, but not quite, entirely unlike Twin

>>44181049
Affinity, jund, twin, burn.

Tron is a midrange predator that folds to any aggro. It had the meta % for a t1 deck, but it doesn't usually top 8. I don't consider it on the same level as the other t1 decks.

>>44167915
Would love to throw that into a fire

Has anyone come up with a decent RG Tron brew?
I really like the shell, but I want to play with cheaper Tron targets.

>>44181128

it seems like what people really mean is that "interactive decks" have easy answers you can put in any deck, rather than requiring specific hate to beat

>>44181591
define cheaper
if you mean $$$ then lolno go fuck yourself

if you mean manacost then why

>>44181668
I did mean $$$
:(

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memes? memes.

>>44170358
It's 100% lantern

>>44169844
Enduring ideal?

>>44177471

Awesome. I think that makes me set, then. The only legacy hurdle atm is Wasteland since I have FoW.

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>>44181729
>not memeing Seeker of the Way with Pyroclasm

Come on man.

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>>44173673
>not playing two Newlamogs in Tron
Bro, seriously, bro, you gotta get on that shit. Best new addition to the deck in years

>>44181995
i have that deck, it's fun.
>swiftspear
>seeker
>reckoner
>pyroclasm
dot dek

>>44182038
what does it do for it and what are you taking out to put it in?

>>44182268
what it does for you is remove threats or LD if there are none.

You pull out one or two of your other big finishers. Meta call.

>humble defector in grixis twin
>makes it all the way to round 7 in a pro tour
Probably the neatest thing I've seen in a while

>>44182268
newlamog wins on the spot with the cast trigger in most cases

>>44182890
link to gameplay?

>>44158418
Bans?
Summer Bloom and Fury of the Horde.
They take the T2 explosiveness out of the decks that use them without completely gutting it.

Unbans? Sword of the Meek.

god what a piece of shit

Jace/Snapcaster>Seeker of the Way
Restoration Angel/Clique>Archangel
Mana Leak is a nonbo with path
12 shocks + 4 painful truths + 4 thoughtsieze is WAY too much self damge, even with the shitty plan of seeker + sorin to gain life. Good luck versus Blood Moon also

>>44183401
to >>44181729

>>44183320
Loses 2-0 but he has some really cool stunts he pulls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKVdQIJcWQc

>>44183442
>PT FRF
>Before Kommand
>Grixis Twin

Absolute Madman

>>44183478
I actually don't know what order the last 8 or sets have come out in so I didn't realize that card wasn't out yet

>>44182268
Wins you the game, generally. It always gets the exile, even if countered, which is huge. And it occupies a good CMC spot, halfway between karn/ugin and emrakul, giving you something to do in those turns. I usually take out a relic of progenitus or two to fit it in, and that's been great for me. I've been playing with him since he came out and I've got no ragrets, he's consistently overperformed

>>44183354
how do you think that losing summer bloom wouldn't kill amulet bloom? the deck doesn't do shit without it. if you want to hurt it's consistency ban azusa. or ban hivemind since that's the actual T1/T2 kill enabler that no other deck uses

Hey homos, why don't you all post pictures of your decks?

>>44183523
Banning hive mind makes the most sense, the deck still works without it, but it cuts out a literally unanswerable play. If hive mind resolves there isn't a card in all of magic that stops you from losing the game on the spot

>>44183534
Because it looks exactly like every other tron deck there is

>>44183557
I don't have amulet bloom but I've played the deck a friend has about a few dozen times and I'm fairly familiar with it; I'm not sure the deck will still even be playable if it lost the hivemind win. face beats with titans is good but if they have enough removal you really run out of gas. there have been games where I felt like I couldn't get a foot hold and barely managed to pull out a hivemind + 2 pacts to win the turn before I would have died.

even if you get it out on turn 2, face beats with prime time is a pretty mediocre win con when you literally have nothing else

Ancestral Vision should be unbanned. Same with stoneforge

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>>44183638
>>44183634

>>44183630
I feel like the deck could evolve into something else without hive mind and most of the pacts. Maybe hybridize with scapeshift?

>>44183630

amulet bloom can skip the hive minds and win like tron, with huge threats

Island

>>44183638

if its such a safe unban, why was it banned?

>>44183732
Caw-blade existed at the time.

>>44183732
It never did anything in modern compared to standard

Knee jerk reaction

>>44183732
A lot of bannings were grandfathered in from Extended. Modern's evolved a lot since then and lots of cards that were banned and have since been unbanned are hardly format-destroying. Like bitterblossom, golgari grave troll, nacatl etc

>>44183732
It was banned before Modern started, along with Mind Sculptor because Wizards was still having Caw-Blade PTSD.

This was the banned list at the very first Pro-Tour:
Ancestral Vision
Ancient Den
Bitterblossom
Chrome Mox
Dark Depths
Dread Return
Glimpse of Nature
Golgari Grave-Troll
Great Furnace
Hypergenesis
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Mental Misstep
Seat of the Synod
Sensei's Divining Top
Skullclamp
Stoneforge Mystic
Sword of the Meek
Tree of Tales
Umezawa's Jitte
Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle
Vault of Whispers

Since then, Bitterblossom, Grave-Troll, and Valakut have come off. Did any of those cards have a huge format-warping effect on Modern? No. They barely had an effect at all. Only Valakut has seen any real play, and that's in a tier 2 combo-control deck.

>>44183892
Vision, mystic, meek all deserve to be taken off. same with green sun's but pod should proooobably stay on there
maybe skullclamp? what combo with clamp am i failing to see thats broken? or is it just that great on its own?

>>44183892
>>44183763

oh i see

didnt know modern was so new a format

>>44183956

i feel like it really is that great on its own

>>44183956
Skullclamp is just absurd
In the right deck its basically just draw 4+ cards whenever the fuck you want

>>44183956
Clamp is one of those cards, kinda like mental misstep, that doesn't make one deck dominant because it just goes in every deck. In a format with clamp control and combo would be deader than they already are, and everybody else would be jamming 3-4 clamp because the value is just too good.

>>44183956
GSZ is pretty bonkers

Skullclamp is such a rediculous amount of value that it should never be unbanned

Otherwise I agree with you, but also unban JTMS

>>44184468
new thread

>>44182038
Bro, I got the one bro. Do I really need two?

>>44182038
To be fair 2 Ugins 4 Karns 1 Newlamog 1 Emracool is the standard for a reason. You can cast 2 Karns on the same turn in a pinch and 90% of the time you'd rather cast Ugin and wipe their board than exile 2 lands, especially against aggro and Twin who can combo off in response to Emmy going to combat with an unanswered Exarch/Pestermite.

>>44183956
Green Sun's Zenith would be a terrible unban, literally every green deck would play 4 copies and a dryad arbor.

Why do people still play a for,at so clearly manipulated by wizards to such a ridiculous degree?

>>44185621
Because no one plays Legacy in my town and I dont like Standard