How do your players justify their power builds in a narrative,

An untrained force sensitive shouldn't be using the Jedi class. If they want to use the Jedi class then they need to change their character to be a Jedi in hiding. I mean, that's the whole point of the class, right?

>>44075383
Depends on the system, sometimes you have to be lenient with their builds because a game is a game, not a book, and their farmer with zero knowledge on self-defense isn't going to survive shit nomatter how much of a main character he's. Players lack the plotarmor characters in narrative have.

>>44075442
It is, the dude is blatantly power gaming though. The girls built for hardcore melee and nothing else, with Brawn 5, and 2 in every other stat, training melee above everything else.

>>44075804

Don't let them have the Jedi class if they're not actually a Jedi.
A civilian Pit Fighter, Ganger or something works though.

>>44075819
i'm not GMing the game, it just irks me that another player is doing this, then saying i should have specialized when i'm trying to make my character have a bit more depth, and be good at other things.

>>44075894
This is starting to smell like stormwind fallacy.

Character depth and mechanical efficiency aren't mutally exclusive, anon.

>>44075894

If you still have time to make your character, then pump your stats up.
It's impossible to do so during play in EotE (as far as I remember), and you'll essentially have the same rolls as someone with low stats, but lots of skills.
If they didn't change it, it's not important to have a high initiative, which helps.

>>44075383
They don't

>>44075944
Minnaxing your character to the point where it violates the setting isn't the Stormwind fallacy. That's a legitimate problem.

>>44076087
There's literally nothing wrong with minmaxing, meanwhile powergaming is the real problem.

>>44076242
What's the difference?

>>44075383
Don't allow it, after all you're the GM...
>i'm not GMing the game
So you're just a jealous player who didn't get that idea first?
>it violates the setting
You aren't the GM, you can't know if it violates the setting because the setting is decided by the GM, your GM seems fine, ergo the character and the build are fine. Stop being butthurt.

>>44076519
Powergamer: a gamer who learnes the rules of a game inside and out to perfection in order to become the best at that game.

Minmaxer: someone who attempts to understand the nuances of a role-playing system in order to tweak their character to be highly optimized.

A minmaxer would use a monk or a fighter in D&D, a powergamer wouldn't even bother to play anything that isn't CoDzilla. One wants to get the best of his character on a single task while sacrificing other stuff, the other wants simply to be the best at everything in the game and win.

>>44076535
But how can he passive-aggressively ridicule his friends if he isn't butthurt about their escapist fantasy avatars?

>>44076535
the setting is established, you can't be a jedi if you aren't a jedi...
>b-but
He is also free to complain about the whole "super specialized build" with her whole deal being just beat people up. Not saying he is right but he can complain if he wants.

>>44077051
Different guy but, is there a class called Force sensitive? Force adept? Different Force religion/culture? if the only way to use the Force is by being a Jedi, well, Jedi it is.

I remember Star Wars saga had talents and feats that allowed any class to be a walking joke using the Force, literally shitty in every aspect, if this system is similar it would be just mean not letting him be a **Jedi**

>>44077228
Edge of the Empire has the Force Sensitive Exile class and Age of Rebellion has the Force Sensitive Emergent class.

>>44077266
And are those as utterly shit as the Force Sensitive was in d20 and the force sensitive options were in Saga?

>>44077310
No, its a different system entirely.

>>44077310
Not utterly shitty, just worse than Jedi.

>>44077393
>Class system has one class outclassing others
To the death star's trash compactor it goes

>>44077690
Jedi aren't playable in those books.

>>44076519
There isn't one.

>>44077923
There's, minmaxer, powergamer, munchkin and ruleslawyer have all different meanings. And minmaxer is the less bad of the four.

Munchkin is a cheater.

Ruleslawyer is a dude who gets advantage on the poorly worded rules.

Powergamer is the dude who wants to win the game and be the best at everything.

Minmaxer just wants to make his character effective at whatever his character's job is.

Don't forget optimizers, who are min-maxers light

They come up with a concept, and then try to be as mechanically superior as possible while still adhering to that concept.

>>44078111
>Minmaxer just wants to make his character effective at whatever his character's job is.

The term implies the creation of extreme deficiencies in other areas.

>>44078542
Yeah, optimizer is the word, minmaxer is a step beyond.

>>44075383
What exactly is the story?
I see what you're saying about the jedi but a melee specialist might be reasonably justified for all we know.