/swg/ - Star Wars General: Traviss Mando's Edition

Threadly reminder that Boba Fett hops around on one lightsaber-proof bullshit metal leg

You maniacs! You blew it up! God damn you all to http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hell

This edition belongs to the one called Traviss Mando.

Unpopular opinion thread?

I'm finding TOR more fun to play than KOTOR

>>43876241
VODE AN!

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>fucked up the previous thread link

FUUUU

Whatever, my revenge is still sufficient

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Any suggestions on how I should expand TFA X-Wing starter? I'm going Rebel, friend is going Imperial.

We're not sure how to split it. Thinking we might each keep our own starters, so we can have quick-start games with people, or we can each double our own teams, which gives us a solid core to work with.

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How often do you implement canon characters in your Star Wars RPG sessions? How do you handle them? Do you do it at all?

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>>43876495

I have a rule in my games

You can meet and interact with the canon characters all you want. But if you kill them, the game immediately ends in a time paradox.

this dissuades childish players for going on a canon character hunt

I had some fun with this once - one of my players pissed off Jabba enough that he got Boba Fett after him. Player freaked the fuck out

>wait, so you mean, if I kill Boba, the game ends?
>yes
>So, I have to let him kill me for the game NOT to end
>yeah, sounds like it
>thats bullshit!
>hey man, when you set Jabba's rancor loose, and it destroys his palace, and you tell Jabba it was you, and laugh about it, he gonna get pissed.

So, Boba shows up, and player gets some lucky Triumphs and wastes him in one turn. He's happy, but sad, all the players dunno know what to think.

And then Boba shows up, and unmasks the guy as Jodo Kast

>>43876449
An original core can net each of you your own maneuver templates, obstacle tokens, and dice, you guys will just have different damage decks. You guys could got for a second TFA set to rack up more T-70s/ TIE/FOs, but the upgrades in the individual packs are likely going to make you want to buy those anyways, so it'd be kind of a waste outside of you guys both having the new damage deck.

Rebel Aces is pretty great. Millennium Falcon is a decent bigger ship.

>>43876665

Must have lost that part when editing my post. I did get two TFA starters, so we have the choice of doubling up or each keeping our own token opponent teams.

Rebel Aces is on my Buy list, K-Wing, B-Wings, and Z95s look fun. How is the YT-2400? It looks neat, but as an aside, where's it from? I've seen it before in a game but I don't know the title.

>>43876665
The Outrider expansion is also fun as fuck. Barrel-Rolling Large Ships are absurd, especially when Dash can just do it onto an asteroid and not give a fuck.

>>43876722
The YT-2400 is from Shadows of the Empire, and the pack includes the Outrider title so you can fly the exact ship from it.

>>43876495
We talk it out ahead of time whether or not canon characters are killable. Then we jack up canon character stats to make them virtually unkillable if we agree to make them killable.

>>43876241

I only know Mandos from TCW (since Jango and Boba weren't mandos). What are some cool female Mandos in Legends? I just really like how the armor looks on a lady (like Bo-Katan)

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>>43876832

Rav Bralor is the only one I know anything about. She's basically a star wars version of michelle rodriguez

After that, there are some names, but I dont know anything about them
>Isabet Reau
>Mirta Gev

>>43876754
>>43876778

Sounds fun. Outrider turns it into a Turret-Cannon ship, right? Is that any good? What's the role that this ship would fill?

>>43876917
>michelle rodriguez

She only appears as a tertiary character and dies?

>>43876495

Depends on the context.

My first FFG game was in the F&D beta, and everybody played in the NJO era, so Luke was literally their mentor, they rubbed shoulders with the likes of Kyle Katarn and Corran Horn - there was even one adventure where they were pseudo-bodyguards to Leia as Chief of State and a couple of them hung out with General Solo while he went gambling (which is obviously the best way to get intel in a new town, hit their casinos).

In my current game, which while using Careers from all the books is very much AoR focused right around 0 BBY, I'm having them be much more tangential because it really fits the feel of the time. So I'll have them like, say, do a job with still-Captain Ackbar, they might be involved on the outskirts of something to do with Operation Skyhook, maybe they'll investigate Topwara post battle but we're not going to like, X-Wing levels where they're gonna join in on the Battle of Yavin or stuff like that.

(Though we joked that since they have a stealthed ship, maybe they did participate in Yavin - just the camera never saw them, they were too stealthy)

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https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/11/27/swarm-tactics/
>TIE Ace named "Wampa"

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>>43877003
She drives an Echani landspeeder that her love interest misidentifies as Mando?

>>43877079

What's the Star Wars equivalent to Fast and Furious?

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>>43876241
I'm glad we decided to pull last thread's shitstorm forward into the next generation

>>43877118

Pod Racing?

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I felt like using the lesser pilots for scum

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I could drop glitterstim to give fett PTL

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>>43877220

So /swg/, who is your most disliked Legends character and why?

Normal Mode: Anyone from the EU

Hard Mode: Someone who hasn't blown up a solar system

Master Yoda's Midichlorian Count Mode: someone whose last name isn't Solo or Skywalker

>>43877269
Kreia. We all know why.

>>43877269
That rabit fellow from the original marvel comics

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>>43877220
>>43877269

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>>43877269
Everyone goes for Cade as worst Legscy character (for good reasons) but I always thought Draco was the biggest dipshit in Legacy. Plus unlike Cade who has to change to be the hero this guy gets even edgier and then is both justified and gets the girl. He gives Imperial Knights a bad name.

>>43876449
Your choice of either a Falcon or a YT-2400. Falcon/Poe is playable right out of the box against almost any list, and so is Dash/Poe.

>>43877220

>pic

You know, I'm not a fan of Plotkiller but I wouldn't put him on the same level of bad as the Vong, Durron, or exponential Sheev clones.

The only thing those games are really guilty of is DBZ-style Force fights and completely mediocre writing.

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>>43877842

I like the Falcon and all, but I don't want to field it for some reason. I guess it's great for a narrative, but I don't like working with something that huge or don't like the look of it for my own team. YT-2400 looks fun, though, and so does Dash.

What about other ships, like the K-Wing? I like the B-Wing and have been given a rundown of it before.
How about Z95s? Seems like they'd make nice vanilla filler ships, or run Blount+IPM for a cheap and surefire way to disable a hard target. Also, I like the idea of having a wing of Z95s supporting a a couple of their big brothers, or modifying them to be Z95Xs.

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what are the chances of DARK SABERS appearing in the new trilogy

I'd say 70% chance

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My friends asked me to DM for the D20 saga system, but none of us have used it before. I'm having some difficulty in understanding how to add in opponents, mostly because of how to actually read and use their stats. Can someone please help me with this?

Pic related, to use as an example.

>>43878047
headhunters are fine filler ships

K-wings can carry lists big time

B-wings are the backbone of many rebel builds

>>43878102
>Saber as Jedi frozen in carbonite for a couple centuries
>Shirou as force sensitive Rebel pilot
>Tohsaka as Dathomiri Witch
>Gil as clone of a Master from Saber's time, the standard Joruus-style crazy is why he's such a cunt
>et cetera
I can't tell if I want it or not.

>>43878196
>Gil in Star Wars
>he flicks a million lightsabers at your face

also what if replace Ep1 Anakin with Kid Gil?

>>43877118
>>43877228

I'm trying to imagine Vin Diesel screaming "now this is podracing" and it's amazing

>>43877269
I don't really hate any of the characters, but (or should I say butt) if I had to call something out it would probably be the Vong.

>>43878308
Fund.
It.

>>43877940
I don't have the huge "muh canon" hard ons that some people do so the whole God of war style boss stuff was just an aesthetic for me. I actually enjoyed the first Force Unleashed. The second one however is pure garbage.

>>43878308
all of my money

all of it

so when will they open up the cargo hatch of an imperial star destroyer and fling pod racers off of it?

>>43878102
Stealing that design for an inquisitor. Let's hope none of my future players are animu fans.

>>43878047
What are the odds of someone not liking the Falcon? Probably 3720 to one. Stick with the 2400, then. It's got everything you need to make a list and it's the cheapest, fastest way to get you into the game. At some point you will probably have to get both ships to get all the cards you need.

>>43878467
>>43878373

Pod Racing 3: Coruscant Drift?

>>43878121
The start card tells you in a short format everything about the prebuilt opponent. It is divided into four areas containing different information about the character.

The first line tells you that the clone trooper is a medium sized human (fairly redundant since humans are medium sized), with 6 levels in the non-heroic class. Before the first break you have the NPC's Initiative score, their senses and what they would roll to use them, and any languages they understand. This is supposed to include "everything" you need to know before the battle begins.

In the second area you have the character's defenses listed in order, followed by hit points and damage threshold. This is supposed to include "everything" you need to know when the character is attacked.

In the third area you have the character's offense. This includes movement, any different ways they have to attack, what the attack and damage modifiers are for each attack. The base attack bonus is included in case you need to calculate a new weapon, followed by the Grappling modifier. It then lists all options the character could use during its attacks: in this case the clone trooper can make a Careful Shot instead of a regular attack. It then notes that the clone trooper has the Point Blank Shot ability. Unless you know all of these abilities by heart it is probably a good idea to write them down somewhere so you remember them.

The final area contains literally everything else there is to know about the NPC. The stat block, the specific feats, skill modifiers and possessions. This is likely to be relevant only if the NPC needs to use a skill. Or if you want to modify the character in some way, for example by changing the feats, the attributes, or adding or removing a level.

The first section contains stuff you might need before the battle begins. The second section contains stuff you need when the NPC takes a hit. The third section contains everything you need to know when the NPC takes its turn.

>>43878121
>nonheroic
There are plenty of words to describe the clones but this certainly isn't one of them.

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>>43877269

Quinlan Vos

Hes another of those edgy "get away with breaking the rules" Jedi who everyone likes because hes edgy

Hes also a gigantic shithead

RepComm books make several allusions to the idea that Clones hate the fuck out of him because he treats them like shit. Im sure TCW has probably changed this however

After that, I hate Kyp Durron. The fucker should have been crucified for mass murder, and instead becomes the poster child for heroic jedi because Luke puts way too much value in redemption.

No, fuck that. hes a mass murdering scumbag
>but muh "exar kun was controlling him!" argument
Fuck that, Kyp wanted to kill imperials, and Kun tried to convince him to kill Luke. And what did Kyp do? He took a superweapon and blew up a whole star system

FUCK LUKE IS AN IDIOT

>>43878608
Honestly an outer rim heist movie full of rogues sounds way better than Rogue One

>>43878766
Thank you very much, this is extremely helpful.

>>43878993
Quinlan Vos is great because all of his stories with him and Aayla involve her and mind control which is my fetish

>>43878966
In Saga edition everything has non-heroic levels unless it is a PC or an equivalent enemy hero/villain. It is interesting to note that even the mook-level clones have six levels, compared to I think three for storm troopers.

>>43878993
Anakin plz

>>43878993

WAS an idiot. That part was retconned, right?

>>43878966
I agree. If anything, considering that the war started with only 500,000 of them and the separatists had years of building combat droids stockpiled? They're big damn heroes.

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>>43879070

>Anakin

>Not Borsk Fey'lya

Come on man

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>>43878997
as long as we get the hardcore gay sex I'm good

>>43879030

How many times did she get mind controlled OR have to pose as a slut for some undercover mission?

>>43877220
Wait, who's Rapeface McTentacles at the bottom? I don't recognize her.

>>43879244

Abeloth

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>>43879232
not enough

- Kit Fister
>>43879244
the Mother

>>43879307

She always seemed to pop up as a dancer or waitress or something.

>>43879307
>Everything wrong with the jedi order dot jengapegging

>>43879307

Didn't her apprentice become Darth Krayt?

>>43879394
For the record the Dark Woman is really hard core for the Jedi and kind of outcast for it.

>>43879370
welcome to twileks, all of our females are dancers and slaves

>>43879307
>not enough

Mah nigga that was the same thing I wanted to say

>>43879232
I can think of 3 mind controls and 2 slut inpersonations off of the top of my head. Truly best Jedi.

>>43879573
>I can think of 3 mind controls and 2 slut inpersonations off of the top of my head. Truly best Jedi.

She had at least 3 slut impersonations. Slave girl for her uncle (after she'd had her memory restored), slutty princess in hunt for Aurra Sing and then slutty waitess/table dancer in Obsession.

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suddenly all my tie fighters have expert handling

or I suppose suicidal expose for late game "kill everyone"

>>43879613
Don't forget her greatest act of them all...

Slutty Jedi

>>43878997
What do you think the Han Solo movie is going to be

>>43879674
I was thinking Marksmanship would be a better approach, since it gives a slight increase to firepower but doesn't kill all your TIEs

>>43879678

Well the glitterryll made her forget she was a jedi and she had to have her memory restored. I'm sure the male jedi put in some more interresting memories there too.

>Aayla, you always liked to dress as a stripper
>Aalya, you have nothing against public nudity
>Remember Aayla, you're not allowed to form attachments but some casual sex never hurts

>>43879701
The Adventures of young Indiana Jones

>>43878997
Isn't that basically a Wraith Squadron movie?

Hey guys I know proxies in a game that heavily relies on clearly different models tends to be a no no, but what do you think of me using a Tie Advance model to represent a Tie/fo to make my squad look more historically correct?

>>43879891
that would be much too baffling

>>43879891
>Not scratchbuilding one of the various types of prototype Tie fighters to fit in that.

There are tie fighter toys about the same scale for sale right now, buy some up and start practicing the scratchbuilding!

>>43879725
Only you lose defensive focus, which is far more useful on low-PS TIEs

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>>43876592
>You can meet and interact with the canon characters all you want. But if you kill them, the game immediately ends in a time paradox.

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>>43879762

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>>43880053
>time travel stuff in Star Wars ever

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>>43880146

>implying that playing in the prequel era, and killing anakin, so luke never gets born, has anything to do with time travel

For X-Wing, Airen Cracken (Z95) and Jan Ors (HWK-290) as buddy support, yes or no? Airen

Ways to improve it? Just messing with ideas, I don't intend to actually run it seriously.

>>43880215
It was the time paradox bit that triggered me. I'm all for infinities stuff, in fact I have an ongoing timeline where Anakin died in the Battle of Corusant and the Clone Wars kept going for years
And no I don't take anti-psychotics

>>43880336
I think you can only really have one full on support ship

Ors is probably the most useful by far

Epic List

Howlrunner
Youngster with Marksmanship
TIE Fighter x 22

Comes out to exactly 300 points

>>43880418

Yeah, her or Kyle it seems. Just bouncing ideas around. Little limited on my idea to build a super-buddies team, but I can deal.

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>>43880505

>>43880512
The PS 4 dude can really pull his weight

>>43880505
Max of 12 of a single type for smaller ships. You'll have to split between normal TIEs and TIE/FOs.

>>43880628
Howlrunner
Youngster w/ Marksmanship
Academy Pilot x10
Epsilon Leader
Omega Ace
Epsilon Squadron Pilot x7

>>43880027
whatnot spam black squadron PTL ties

so now they suddenly have 2 elite upgrades

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>>43880584
Oh man, Roark is a hilarious pain.

>>43876310
Wow, for once someone stole Gee Dubs' idea

>>43880628
but dont tie/fos NOT count as tie fighters?

so youngster isnt much support for them.

that said, tie/fos are pretty great although maybe have some phantoms for some firepower/opponent aggro

Who has the coolest name in Star Wars? My vote goes for DASH RENDAR.

>>43880739
|TIE| |Fighter|
|TIE|/fo |Fighter|
This is how the new ship-typing rules work, so it should be functional.

>>43880779
So the TIE/fos can also be carried in the Gozanti. Good to hear.

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>>43880752

Indeed.

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>>43880752
>Who has the coolest name in Star Wars?

pic related

>>43880752
Darkstar of course.

>>43880752
>>43880811
Bob Johnson.

>>43880993
>is basically called "Evil Badname"

>>43881536
Well, it does get the point across.

>>43880752
Malus Darkblade.

So I found I really nice collection of McQuarrie concept art.

One of the thing that strikes me about these is the sense of scale. Besides the artwork of what I can only assume was supposed to be the Imperial capitol there's also stuff like this concept shot of the Yavin award ceremony or some of the Hoth stuff.

As much as I love the OT I have to admit it would have been interesting to see a version unrestricted by budgets or effect limitations where the military forces actually feel like something that could wage a galaxy-wide conflict.

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>>43882000

Annnnd I forgot the picture. And the link.

>http://imgur.com/a/J4ZRA

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>>43876241
>Mando's
All will be consumed in the great sandy space vagina

>>43882000
>>43882025

Some of those look really nice, and some of that content or ideas look like they found their way into the prequels.

Actually, some of it looks like it was brought out for VII, the old X-Wings look like the new X-WIngs, and the old Death Star looks kind of like the new one.

>>43882535
It actually kind of worries me that they seem so intent on reusing and/or butchering so much of his stuff without really thinking about why it remained concept.

>>43882602
>why it remained concept.
Budget and/or time constraints?

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>>43882000

Favorite McQuarrie pic

That gunturret is really happy

>>43882602

Limitations of the medium, special effects, and budget.

The B-Wing doesn't get much screen time because its transparent canopy and thin profile made it disappear on the blue screen. TIE fighters in the first movie are more white than in the sequels because their dark blue/grey coloration made them disappear against the blue screen, and they were blue later because of advancing techniques and post-production coloring. Lightsabers aren't shown a lot because it was a bitch to animate them, and Luke's was changed to green because it worked better against the blue screen. The Death Star was made of garbage and Star Destroyers are made of dozens of cut up aircraft carrier model kits.

Non-sequitur, but the cheapest scene in Star Wars is the scene where they are inside the space slug. It was filmed on the Yavin aircraft base with black curtains draped all around. 20 lbs of beef made the sound effects of characters stepping around, and, of course, a fog machine.

>>43882627
My main sticking point is the X-Wing design. 4 engines and full-chord s-foils makes a lot more sense than the wierd split of the concept.

And yet TFA lifted it, simply because Mcquarrie, without thinking about whether it's a good idea or a logical evolution of the X-Wing (hint: the T-70 wing split is fucking retarded).

>>43882804
Whoops, meant
>4 engine pods
The half-circles just look extraneously bulky given there's no need for intakes and they're literally just a hollow housing.

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>>43882000
>>43882025

>>43880752
Hans Olo.

>>43882804
>the T-70 wing split is fucking retarded
That's, like, your opinion, man

>>43882873
Why is Yoda so goddam big?

>>43882925
He activated his super mode.

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>>43882804
>T-70

I have a wallpaper of the T-70, but a kind anon "JJ Abrams'd" it up for me

>>43882804

The Split-Wing isn't really the McQuarrie design, his design was sandwhich wing, like the T-70. T-70 splits seems to be TFA original.

Half-engine pods don't bug me as much, the T-70 seems like it might be partially upgraded for, I don't know, atmosphere or something with more rounded engines, less resistance for the Resistance. First shots we ever saw of them had them working in atmosphere, something suitable to an all-rounder PDF starfighter than a purely dedicated spacecraft of a rebellion that mostly makes hit & run attacks in space.

But in the end, it's all made up and nothing makes sense.

How different would things have gone if anakin's mamma had died in q still tragic but nonviolent way? Like say a heart condition that went undiagnosed and untreated because tattooine?

>>43883194
Anakin would have murdered all doctors

Or dedicated his life to eradicating sickness

>>43883194
Anakin's rage might have stewed for longer but it would have been brought out by something else.

Alternatively: he takes it out on the doctors anyways

>>43883194

He wouldn't have had much excuse to go around killing arabs then, though.

Probably goes and kills and bunch of doctors or heart disease or something.

>>43883279
>>43883264
>>43883261
Doctormind

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>>43883298

Why is anakin literally the worst character in starwars, and why is the answer "because hayden christiansen" ?

>>43883360
because George Lucas.

baka

>>43883360
Hayden is agressively okay in his other roles that I have seen

He was explicitly given instructions to be that way in the films. There were a bunch of interviews where Lucas said "I'm sorry but you have to be whiny"

I can see WHY he went for that angle though

>>43876832
>Boba and Jango weren't Mandos

Where does this come from? Jango was adopted into the Mando culture as a young boy. He literally spent his whole life fighting alongside the last of the Mandalorian mercenaries, and avenged them and destroyed the Deathwatch (before they came back).
Even non-Legends, where the hell do we get the impression that Jango isn't a Mandalorian? He obviously wanted a clone son to pass down his culture to.

Also, I hate Karen Traviss. KOTOR Mandalorians are great, so are pretty much every other EU incarnation of them, and then she comes along with that "We have no word for 'hero' because we all act like heroes" shit.

>>43883448
I think they mean GENETICALLY Jango is not a mando

>>43883360
>Why is anakin literally the worst character in starwars
Eh, the KOTOR II party is worse with the exception of Canderous, HK, and T3. At least Christiansen tried to act.

>>43883360
hey man at least he has his moments in TCW

then again, Jar Jar has his moments in TCW

hell even god damn Battledroids have their moments in TCW

>>43883507
>KOTOR II party is worse

wut m8

>>43883507
> KOTOR II part is worse

Do explain

>>43883498
Genetically, no one is Mando anymore. The Taung died a long time ago.

Trying something a little different with my scum. Not sure where to put my last few points.

Unnamed Squadron (94)

Kavil — Y-Wing 24
Opportunist 4
Autoblaster Turret 2
Unhinged Astromech 1
Ship Total: 31

Palob Godalhi — HWK-290 20
Wingman 2
Ion Cannon Turret 5
Ship Total: 27

Guri — StarViper 30
Calculation 1
Advanced Sensors 3
Inertial Dampeners 1
Virago 1
Ship Total: 36

>>43883360

Hayden's no the problem here. If the answer is Hayden, then the answer is you.

>>43883194
I feel like he'd blame slavery, and he'd go double john brown about it
>>43883264
>>43883261
>>43883279
Doctormurdermind

>>43876331
Well if you've played Kotor a fuckjillion times I can kinda get it

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>>43883507
>KOTOR II Party

>Kreia
Whats wrong with Kreia? That was some great Avellone writing, and I like anything that can turn jedi bullshit on its head

>Atton
His whole I was a jedi hunter bullshit was lame, but up until that point, he was great. Even with it, it gives him an interesting ptsd fueled personality, and I kinda dig that. He was like Han Solo through a mirror darkly

>Handmaiden
Whats wrong with autistic Echani who can't relate to people except through beating them up with kung fu?

>Disciple
Fuck that guy

>G0-T0
Whats wrong with droid kingpin?

>Mirra
Female boba fett with a plunging neckline

The only real dig against the KotOR II party is that everyone becomes Jedi except for Canderous and the Droids

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>>43877269
Pallpy clone nonsense and his son nonsense
or maybe this shithead

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>>43883865

>That was some great Avellone writing, and I like anything that can turn jedi bullshit on its head

>>43883604
>>43883529
>>43883865

>Inb4 restored content mod
Talking base, release version here. That means lots of glitches, some of which may have locked me out of dialogue options. I sure as fuck do not want to slog through the game again to check. Everyone who wasn't Canderous, T3, or HK sounded incredibly bored and sleepy. I dislike Kreia and benched her ASAP to lessen on her bitching. Also because my Exile was Consular already. Atton felt even whinier and angstier than Carth. Benched him, too, since Canderous was better at shooting, the Exile was better at everything, and T3 had more utility. Visas and Bao-Dur were barely audible even with volume cranked up, and both were too goddamn boring to cart around. I found G0-T0 flat, boring, and redundant since T3 was already better-geared and similarly built by the time I got him. Didn't pick up Hanharr because Kreia was annoying enough.

And Mira? Literally forgot she existed until the endgame. Fucking hell, she was that bland. Everyone else, I can't remember. They were probably just as boring as Mira.

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>>43879553
this
When a buddy asked me about twileks for EoE I told them their prolific skanks and slaves

>>43883937

>stop liking what I dont like

>>43880146
the only one I liked was this random dude being propelled a decent stretch into the future due to bad hyperdrive. Made mad credits selling his story and vowed never to travel by hyperspace again

>>43883865
>Whats wrong with Kreia? That was some great Avellone writing, and I like anything that can turn jedi bullshit on its head

too bad her sith arguments are dumb

>hurr stop being sith
why
>cause yer a dick
how about no?

>>43883865
>Handmaiden
>Whats wrong with autistic Echani who can't relate to people except through beating them up with kung fu?
All of those hot sweaty training bouts in the cargo bay...

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>>43883865
>Visas and Bao-Dur

Fuckm I forgot these two, must have been a long time since I played KotorII

>Bao-Dur
Star wars bro tier black guy who punches the fuck out of shields with his energy arm. I dunno about you, but thats cool to me

>Visas
pure waifu material, and Miriluka were just one of those TotJ races that was never, ever, gonna get any love

>>43884026
are you implying hot sweaty wrestling in the cargo bay is bad?

>>43884067
>pure waifu material
In the sense that she had no personality other than wanting your dick?
Yeah.
Quality writing that is not.

>>43884067
>are you implying hot sweaty wrestling in the cargo bay is bad?
They caused me physical pain by tightening my pants.

>>43884164

I think the point that was trying to be made, is that shes broken, made completely submissive by a one sided relationship with a sadistic mass murderer.

So when she flips sides, the only way she can interact with someone is by being completely submissive

>>43877269
Callista Ming. Checkmate.
Don't get in the way of my otp, bitch

>>43883448
In TCW Season 2's "The Mandalore Plot", the Mandalorian Prime Minister, while acknowledging Deathwatch as being Mandalorians even though they're outcasts, also derides Jango as being a pretender.

In the "Creating Mandalore" featurette, Filoni says that this idea that they're not Mandalorians is straight from George.

And if you think for a moment - not one single time in the films are either of the Fetts referred to as Mandalorian. In fact, they don't even reference the armor as being Mandalorian in the films - the word isn't even spoken aloud once, not until TCW Season 2.

All the depictions of the Fetts that call them Mandalorian are now Legends. All canon examples, books, movies, comics, encyclopedias, everything else they've released simply calls them bounty hunters who wear the armor of the Mandalorians.

>>43884236
Honestly, I kinda wish Callista had stuck around and gracefully bowed out of the Lukebowl.
She had a lot more potential than was ever explored, and it would have been neat to see her having fish out of temporal water adventures.

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>>43884067
>Miraluka
Compared to Jerec, Visas just doesn't compare.

>>43884402
Christ, I'm sleepier than I thought. "Compared to Jerec, Visas just doesn't come close," is what I meant to say.

>>43884402

You just named two, out of the three EU\Legends Miriluka characters.

>>43884421
You ARE sleepy, the meaning is the same.

>>43884295
I think everything would have been a lot better if Mara won the lukebowl in she preseason, around 10ABY. Callista's fish outta water plot would be a lot more interesting without the "romance" subplot

Kotor II>Kotor I

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>>43884510

I like the Gamecube era starfighter games

come at me bros

>>43884616
1 only has that one good twist going for it

>>43884628
Rogue Leader is pretty great, if kind of vague about objectives at times.

>>43878102
I bet SHE'S wearing some armor pants.
>>43878993
Yeah, Luke fares really badly in the EU. It's like he forgot everything he learned over the course of the movies yet somehow kept the skills.
>>43879762
>"Oh, you didn't have to program this in, Masters. I'd do that anyway if you just asked."
>>43883941
Can't pick up Hanharr unless you're darkside. Mira's for lightside.
Also, you get either Disciple or Handmaiden based on what gender you chose.
>>43884295
She definitely could have been used MUCH better. Especially when her 'connection to the Force' comes back.... but only to the Dark Side. BITCH, THE DARK SIDE IS IN YOU, NOT THE FORCE, USING THE POWER OF ENLIGHTENMENT FOR PERSONAL GAIN IS FUCKING EVIL YOU CAN'T ONLY GET THE EVIL SIDE OF ENLIGHTENMENT
I read a story once that speculated since her Force connection only came back for the dark side, and the shit that Abboleth did, meant that Abboleth had once been an Emperor's Hand who got to uppity and Palpatine had her enteched into.... the Eye of Palpatine.
>>43884507
She really should have. In fact, I read a story once (sensing a theme here) where Mara is pondering why he gave her *his father's lightsaber* and is like 'Welp, guess he just proposed to me. I accept, your move Skywalker.'
Can't for the life of me remember what it was called, though.
I remember another story talking where Mara gets pissed at Luke for not making a move, he's confused about the whole thing, and someone said "DUDE, you gave her YOUR FATHER'S LIGHTSABER. What the fuck did you THINK she thought you meant?"
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RuleOfThree
>>43884510
It has a better implimentation of the RPG system, certainly. More feats, more inclusion of skills into dialog choices, more customization, etc. But I'm not wowed by the story.

And before anyone bitches, I'm not overly wowed by 1's story either.

>>43884628
Bounty Hunter

>>43884653
>if kind of vague about objectives at times.

really? my mountain dew 14 year old brain seemed to do all the missions. maybe not gold everything, but I got through

also I LOVED that they had a special mission that changed depending on what time you played the game.

>>43884685
Maybe it's just me playing on a fairly shitty CRT, but trying to find the fucking shield generators in the Cloud City canyons is just annoying.

>>43884479
Even excluding TotJ, didn't the KOTOR comics feature Miraluka? And IIRC, wasn't there at least one other Rebellion-era Miraluka running around?

>>43884652
KOTOR I had fewer glitches, more party member dialogue, more useful party members, more challenging and more entertaining combat, nicer level design, more cool side quests, and overall, greater content quantity and variety. Even from a purely technical standpoint, I blows II out of the water.

>>43884723
>more party member dialogue
oh boy, more bitching from Carth!

and the combat was the fucking same

II had more options with force and lightsaber forms. more force powers.

the minigames were optional

Jolee was the only thing Kotor 1 has over II imo

hate the story to your heart's content but don't piss on my leg and tell me its raining

The Etahn A'baht E-Wing pilot art; what's he shooting at?

We've seen a few ships in other cards, including another known Scum fighter on one of the upgrades. Think we'll see many of them arriving soon to the game?

>>43884824
>the combat was the fucking same
KOTOR II's combat was a complete cakewalk compared to I. The saber forms themselves barely affected gameplay since any competently-built Exile will steamroll entire armies solo, even with a suboptimal form equipped. The Force forms make combat little more than a tedious chore due to how powerful they are (especially the regen stuff). A Consular Exile can pretty much solo the rest of the story by mid-game.

>more powers
Barely even noticeable since maxed Lightning + Heal trivialized the rest of the game. At least in I, you occasionally had to buff, stock up on meds, and wisely invest skill/power unlocks.

>minigames
Sure, but KOTOR I also had more enemies, environments, and quests. Everything felt more alive and more fun. KOTOR I had more stuff to do, more things to kill, and more places to go.

>Carth
Canderous and HK had more to say compared to KOTOR II. Zaalbar, Mission, and Jolee also had plenty of stuff to add. Early Carth may have been a whiny bitch, but he still managed to be less miserable than Atton overall. And at least Bastila learns to stop bitching at you eventually, unlike Kreia. Juhani was the only truly unmemorable party member in I.

>>43885087
Forget it Jake, it's Obsidianfags.

>>43885087
>A Consular Exile can pretty much solo the rest of the story by mid-game.
Stun-shock combo. Never leave home without it.
Really, the only reason to bring party members is so you can level them up to Jedi so they can cast buffs on you so you don't have to. Oh yeah, and to distract things if you need that.

High Charisma, high wisdom build means that no one ever makes a save against you, too.

>>43884507
>>43884658
luke and mara together shortly after TTT would cause some very interesting changes in the EU. also, ben would be much closer to jacen and jaina, which mite b neat come YJK time

>>43885087
>1 was better because it had a level cap

Mission was an annoying kid and Zaalbar was a boring wookie.

Atton trumps Carth completely. you talk to him about his past once and then move on. something Carth can never fucking do.

HK's how to kill jedi speech trumps anything he said in 1.

Bastilla only shuts up when you put your dick in her mouth.

the companions quests sucked ass and were just cutscenes.

more places?
lets see Doomed tutorial planet, hub world, 4 macguffin planets, final planet. just described both.

It never felt more alive to me. It felt more like they're reading off a greatest hits list from the movies. "I can't believe its not Corusant" Taris, Tatooine and sand people, Kayssyhk and wookies, neutral disgusting fish people planet was horrible, and Korriban and its evil hogwarts.

>>43884985
>Update
Yevethan D-type trifoil. I doubt we'll see them, it's got something like no named pilots and doesn't really fit with any factions. It's just there because Etahn was involved with the Black Fleet crisis.

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>>43885303

Wish they'd gone with the better Kihraxz design, though.

>>43885293
hell KOTOR II has 5 macguffin planets if you count Dxun and Onderon as seperate planets

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>>43885483
I'd count reconstructing or destroying the Republic as a major point in the game though

>>43885293
>Mission and Zaalbar
Mission and Zaalbar pulled their weight mechanically, their backstories were actually plot-relevant, and they managed to pack more personality than all of the new scrubs. I never really found Mission annoying. She was energetic, sure, but at least she was happy, unlike the miserable fucks that infest the KOTOR II Ebon Hawk. Zaalbar's succession crisis quest alone made him infinitely cooler than Hanharr, who was even more boring.

>Atton
And when you do move on, he turns out to be a boring motherfucker whose only redeeming factor is agreeing that Kreia is a bitch. It's impossible to relate to his backstory because he has that super special Jedi hunter mind-pazaak crap, too. At least Carth's hang-ups humanized him.

>HK
Your mileage may vary. I found him more entertaining in KOTOR I by virtue of the fact that he almost always had new stuff to say. KOTOR II HK ran out of conversation options quickly in my playthrough.

>Bastila
Her bitching tones down fast once you get to Dantooine. Even without choosing the romantic route, she warms up and compliments you on doing good.

And compare KOTOR I map variety and size to II. Upper and Lower Taris blow Nar Shaddaa out of the void. Kashyyyk had the contrast between the Wookiee tree villages and the untamed, monster-infested forest floor. The feeling of space on Manaan's surface contrasted nicely with the claustrophobia of the underwater sections. Plus, everything looked more open. KOTOR II's maps always felt cramped and linear. And at least KOTOR I Korriban tried to be relevant. The Sith tombs and terentateks were cool. KOTOR II's Korriban felt like little more than a speedbump. Malachor V is also a shitty, monochrome mess compared to Lehon and the Star Forge.

I can't defend Tatooine, though. Tatooine sucked.

>>43880752
My character in our Age of Rebellion game, Kat Fista. They let it go through because it sounds similar to other names and because I pronounced it fist-a the first few times, but now they're stuck with a guy called Cat Fister.

>>43885377
But they went with style 4, so I don't know what you mean.

>>43884662

Fuck Yeah, Bounty Hunter.

Jango Fett kills a billion dudes, the game. Also Bando Gora were pretty freaky and sadly under utilized outside of Bounty Hunter.

>>43885616
>Tatooine sucked.
Tatooine always sucks.

>>43885687

One could argue Tatooine's entire purpose is to suck. You shouldn't like it and should want to leave and go some place less shitty and with more space lasers.

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>>43885718
True Pottery right here
Always pissed me off how it was super important in the EU with tons of shit happening on it
Hell I don't even like Jabba's Palace on it to be honest

>>43885687
>>43885718
>>43885740
Y'all just don't like sand.

>>43885740
Shitty Mad Max Planet has to have some gangster ruling it. May as well be Jabba.

And isn't it nice that the EU is gone? Now Jabba's no more than a gangster slug lord who's important on a single planet.

>>43885777
You're fucking right I don't.

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>>43885785
>And isn't it nice that the EU is gone?
mixed bag
Also Disney taking over doesn't fill me with confidence. I'd feel much better with them allowing quality items in the EU and tighter quality control but thats not where the money is

>>43885785
You're forgetting the Clone Wars is still canon.
>http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jabba_Desilijic_Tiure/Canon
>He was also highly influential in the entire Outer Rim as one of its most powerful crime lords.

>>43885777

Well, fuck no, genius. Nobody should like sand. The line is dumb as hell, but Anakin's not wrong, sand sucks butts for humans. There's a reason why desert people put a lot of layers between them and the sand.

>>43885785

Ehh, wasn't Jabba in some TCW stuff not related to Tatooine? And I've forgotten the context, how the fuck does Ezra know who Jabba is to use him as a fake name?

>>43885616
Mission was a bratty teen through and through.

I never used Hanharr, was always lightside. binary morality systems usually have a stark contrast in the decisions (which was more a problem in 1 than 2 imo)

Carth's hang ups made him a whiny bitch and borderline intolerable. I didn't have to pigeon hole my alignment to kill Kreia at least.

Taris and its hallways are boring tutorial levels. Nar Shadaa had quests up the ass.

the tombs of Korriban are the only cool things about them. and that tomb in the cave with the inf. XP glitch was awesome.

Dxun was crawling with nasty beasties and had mandies instead of growling carpets.

>>43885740

Jabba's Palace was an attempt to capture the atmosphere of the Cantina scene but failing, and it did drag on a little too long.

>>43885849
>how the fuck does Ezra know who Jabba is to use him as a fake name?

>>43885839
>highly influential in the entire Outer Rim
Well, those two solve each other.

>>43885859
>and that tomb in the cave with

Tell me of this, I may need this for reasons.

>>43885646
Komari Vosa and the Bando Gora were so fucking memorable to me. I might use them in my Star Wars campaign.

>>43885898

My players haven't caught on yet (they're busy with a lot of things), but I have some subtle threads of a renewed Bando Gora cult in my AoR game.

They probably won't catch on until freaky red-eyed pajama guys try and kill them in the street, then it will be "The fuck is this death cult doing in our neck of the woods"?

And then they can go to Kohlma and be freaked out, like I was when I was younger.

>>43885885
the glitch?

the hssiss in the temple respawned so you could kill them for XP

I think the TSLRCM patched it though

IDK about the Kinrath on Dantooine though. Don't talk to Zherron about the kinrath cave, just Kill all the kinrath's in the back, walk down the hall and do a quick save/quick load and they'll be right back in their spots. March down the hall, kill them, rinse and repeat.


the temple was in the cave, you pass it on the way to the academy. nice endurance gauntlet/mind fuck

its across the bridge, go to your left and if you're high level enough and light or darkside enough ( I think that's a requirement IIRC)

its easier if you are darkside.

>>43885646
>Bando Gora
Have you read Plagueis yet?

>>43885971

Thanks, though Darkside is no fun.

>>43886000
yeah, binary morality systems never seem come up with reasonable evil choices.

its save the puppy or sodomize it.

>>43886127
You mean zap it with Force lightning until it dies.

>>43886142
that too

Force Crush is cool but its only single target

I always liked guardians better

force jump just looks cool

>>43886127
I feel like ME 2 was reasonably good with the paragon/renegade thing, though as you say, neither was really *evil*

>>43886162

I always played pure Paragon, but some of the Renegade moments I hit for fun. Sometimes it was just really satisfying to beat the shit out of someone, and REALLY satisfying to shut some asshole up while he was monologuing. Bonus points if you could kill the asshole with it.

>>43886214
indeed, ME 2 had the best renegade moments in the series; they had renegade be "loose canon cop on the edge" rather than ME 1's "the reason why nobody likes you, butterbar" with a side of psychopath, and ME 3's "yeah, you're pretty much hitler"

>>43886214
Headbutting the Krogan was the best

>>43886248

People forget that the protagonist is supposed to kind of likeable, even if they are an asshole. Choices should have been between "Mr(s). Rodgers and his/her Orphaned Misfit Crew (and a GUN)" and "Loose Cannon Cop on the EDGE (also GUN)".

>>43886269

That was satisfying, though I liked shutting that mafia asshole up by shooting the sculpture or blowing that monologuing Krogan up in the fucked up Hospital.

>>43886298
>Orphaned Misfit Crew
I think you mean "team daddy issues", but otherwise I totally agree

>>43886317

Team Daddy Issues also works very well, though some of them are Asari.

>>43886350
true. though they're androgynous, so what they've got is as much daddy issue as mama issues (aside from samara, who IS the daddy/mama issue)
like, as far as I remember zaeed and kasumi are literally the only characters in ME2 without daddy issues (thane and samara doesn't have them, but they ARE the daddy issue, so they still count IMO)

>>43886269
I always headbutt the Krogan. Femshep's hair is far too solid for her to take any damage from that move.
Plus, it shows that he's your bitch.
>>43886390
Zaeed is like Canderous in that there's not a whole lot of complexity there and they're pretty much assholes, but that just means they're delightfully uncomplicated and very very killy.

>>43886409
I wouldn't say that zaeed is so much an asshole as he is too hardcore to really care. there IS a difference
all this ME talk makes me realize that I should really work on that thing

>>43886430
Are you saying he ISN'T an uncomplicated asshole? He's seen and done too much to care for any niceties anymore and his name is legend where it matters, but he's still got his vendetta and he's still a dick.
And he's also too hotheaded in his rage to realize that the Normandy would have either shot down or captured Vigo so that we could have had that slow death for him WITHOUT a needless loss of life.

>>43876278
A legitimate and concerned "wat?" Please good sir, elaborate, I've been out of the SW loop far too long it seems.

>>43886547
HELLBOUND
BURNING WITH REVENGE
MEN BECOME DEMONS
yeah, he's a dick, but he isn't doing it consciously, he doesn't give nearly enough of a fuck to NOT be a dick
>>43886559
read Wrath Squadron

>>43882078
Your reminder that Boba and Jango are canonically no longer Mandalorians

there any books/comics/etc from the perspective of the CIS?

>>43885377
Wait, is this from SWG? I don't recognize the ship.

>>43876495
The thing is, I have trustworthy players who won't just randomly start gunning down Mon Mothma if they are working for her, or tarkin and so on. If they are going to kill a canon character, that's a campaign goal, like planning an attempted coup de'tat on the Emperor, or the like. Honestly, a player is more likely to want to court Leia than to go on a random canon murdering spree, in my experience.
I suppose Jar jar is the only exception to this.

>>43886667
All of the prequels and original movies star white, privileged male CIS scum
More seriously, I think that the Essential guide to warfare has some mini articles written from the perspective of CIS adherents. There should be more stuff out there

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Want too try out the 3 interceptor aces.

Thoughts on this, are there better load outs for them.

Unnamed Squadron (99)

Soontir Fel — TIE Interceptor 27
Stay On Target 2
Autothrusters 2
Stealth Device 3
Royal Guard TIE 0
Ship Total: 34

Carnor Jax — TIE Interceptor 26
Calculation 1
Autothrusters 2
Stealth Device 3
Royal Guard TIE 0
Ship Total: 32

Turr Phennir — TIE Interceptor 25
Push the Limit 3
Autothrusters 2
Stealth Device 3
Royal Guard TIE 0
Ship Total: 33

>>43887440
I had the opposite experience and learned from my mistakes.

Admiral Ackbar was blackjacked and stuffed into the cargo compartment of a Y-wing. Said Y-wing was then launched from Home One. The pilot turned around, set the hyperdrive to automatic, then ejected.

The session ended in bickering; Ackbar was dead, of course, but the players couldn't decide if Home One was destroyed, or simply had a Y-wing shaped hole, like Wile E. Coyote, carved through it.

>>43887728
Wow, those are some legitimately awful players.

I know another anon posted up some weapon stats from before, but anyone have any questions/want stats for anything about Chronicles of the Gatekeeper or Strongholds of Resistance? Got them in yesterday.

>>43887992

ship stats from SoR, or adversary details from either? Whatever you think is cool to share

>>43876495
I tell my players if they kill, destroy, steal or whatever that could change what we have as "canon" (Bits of EU that we like with the current canon stuff) we enter GALAXY-2 so that means they can do whatever they want in this galaxy they're the ones that are forging its future.

That also means i can throw at them AT-ATs, TIE-Defenders, Imperial Guard, and Star Destroyers and whatever i can think for Black Sun and other crime syndicates.

>>43883360
He's got a very punchable face, but the direction is more at fault than his acting. So, blame Lucas.

Also are you seriously suggesting that Christensen-Anakin is worse than Jake Lloyd-Anakin? CUHROOSKUNT

>>43884723
This. KOTOR II is a mess, KOTOR I is one of the comfiest games ever.

>>43888040
Tallanx-Class Star Fighter
Sil 3; Spd 5; Hnd +2
1/0/0/1; Arm 1; 10 HT; 6 SS
Hyperdrive: Class 1; Nav Yes; Sens Close
Ship Comp: One pilot
Encumb 6; Passenger 0; Consum 2 Weeks
Hard Points: 2
102k credits/ 9 (R) rarity
Weapons: Forward-mounted twin light laser cannons (Fire arc forward; Dmg 6; Crit 3; Rng Close; Linked 1)
Customizations: Gimmellian Stealth Device - Reduce range band for enemy passive sensors by 1 to minimum of close for detecting Tallanx; takes all power from shields and weapons to channel into cloaking device; Rerouting power takes 1 Action
Electronic Countermeasures Suite - Blocks sensors within range when active, counting Tallanx silhouette as 2; immediately notifies a;; ships in star system or within 100km if planetside to Tallanx's existence

Independence
Sil 8; Spd 2; Hnd -2
4/4/4/3; Arm 10; 150 HT; 90 SS
Hyperdrive: Prim Class 1, Backup Class 9; Nav Yes; Sens Long
Ship Comp: 5,400 officers, pilots, crew
Starfighter compl: 120 Starfighters
Vehicle Compl: Detachable shuttlecraft and numerous shuttles, landing craft, and utility vehicles
Encumb 20k; Passenger 1.2k; Consum 2 Years
Hard Points: 2
150 mill credits/ 7 rarity
Weapons: Six forward, twelve port, twelve starboard, and six aft twin heavy turbolaser batteries (Fire arc forward, port and starboard, OR forward, port, and aft, OR forward, starboard, and aft, OR aft, port, and starboard; Dmg 11; Crit 3; Rng Long; Breach 4; Linked 1; Slow-Firing 2)
Six forward, twelve port, twelve starboard, and six aft twin battleship ion cannon batteries (Fire arc forward, port and starboard, OR forward, port, and aft, OR forward, starboard, and aft, OR aft, port, and starboard; Dmg 9; Crit 4; Rng Medium; Breach 3; Linked 1; Slow-Firing 2)
Six hull-mounted heavy tractor beams (Fire-arc all; 0 Dmg; 0 Crit; Rng Short; Tractor 6)
Additional Rules: Massive 2

>>43888226

And some general reduced crew rules for capital ships:
Light Crew: Half to less than full crew, Setback to all checks from the ship
Skeleton crew: 1/4-1/2 crew; upgrade checks from ship by one

Some adversary/creature stats next post

>>43888240
Enormous Space Slug
Sil 7; 0 Spd; -6 Hnd
0/0/0/4; Arm 10; 70 HT; 35 SS
Encum: 50k (in its stomach)
Weapons: Insatiable Maw (Fire arc foward; Dmg 12; Crit 3; Rng Close; breach 3; Slow-Firing 2)
Additional Rules: Presented in ship profile but acts as independent creature.
When rolling Initiative, rolls a Coordination check with Coordination 3, Agility 1.
Consume Ship: When attacking ship of Sil 5 or lower, target makes hard Piloting (Space) check to avoid being consumed. Check must be made even if attack misses.
If swallowed, ship is slowly digested, taking 10 HT each day. Mynocks in stomach of space slug will likely attach to ship as well.

Wampa (Rival)
5/2/1/3/1/1
Soak 6; 20 W; 0/0 Defense
Skills: Brawl 3; Resilience 3; Stealth 3; Survival 3
Talents: Stunning Blow (inflict damage as Strain instead of Wounds, doesn't ignore Soak)
Abilities: Camouflaged (2 Boost to stealth checks in snowy environments)
Suited to the Cold (immune to effects of freezing and cold environments)
Equipment; Claws ( Brawl; Dmg 8; Crit 3; Rng Engaged; Pierce 3; Vicious 2)

>>43888226
>>43888339

thanks for sharing, is the tallanx a verpine design? Not heard of it

>>43888355
Fromt a whole new thing. Ship's manufacturer is Gimmelian Shipworks, which is based on Ord Gimmel, a planet with lighter gravity (that makes it easier to manufacture ships that would otherwise require orbital manufacturing stations) and populated by Daeons. No real pictures or details on Daeons, so I assume they're meant to just be humans.

>>43885859
>Mission
She didn't have many bratty moments in my playthroughs. Aside from her arguments with Zaalbar, she seemed alright. She wasn't all that useful mechanically, but at least she had conversation options and backstory, unlike Mira. For that alone, I liked having her aboard. And she was one of the first members of the KOTOR I party to side with you post-reveal, too. Bro-tier right there. She more than earned her spot on the crew.

>Carth
He really wasn't that bad. Being patient with him gets him to stop the bitching really quickly. And when the endgame comes around, he's there to back you up, unlike everyone in KOTOR II.

>Taris
Less boring than Peragus and Nar Shaddaa. Taris was more open, the side quests were more fun than Nar Shaddaa's, the NPCs offered more conversation, and there was more room to explore and fuck with computers. Taris was good for getting new players to fuck around, talk to people, etc. And it was plot-relevant. Nar Shaddaa felt like a speed bump on Kreia's railroad. Most of it felt pointless because you already meet the guy you need to find early on and the only thing stopping you from knocking him out and dragging him into your cargo bay was the lack of options to do so. The only memorable parts about Nar Shaddaa were the hobo dilemma, Mira's awful playable segment, and the chance to play pazaak with John Cena.

>Korriban
Most of Korriban was tombs, so yeah, it was mostly cool. The Sith academy was boring, but it was still an interesting look into Sith philosophy for those who never got the chance to read TotJ. Jolee and Canderous also have some great conversation input during all this.

>Dxun was crawling with nasty beasties and had mandies instead of growling carpets.
Kashyyyk had those, too, with more animal variety.

>Hating on the Wookiees
Leia pls. Wookiees are great and Zaalbar's personal quest was a fun ride.

>>43888420

sounds boss

>>43884295
>>43884507
>Not both of them winning the lukebowl

Come on he is from Tatooine, you can't tell me he isnt a Space-Mormon.

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>>43877118

>>43881425
Why is Darkstar of the night?

>>43889047
He was jealous of his uncle, the Lightsaber of the morning

>>43889079
>Dayne?

anyone have that "yoda troll - the boy has no patience" meme?

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Alright SWG, which sith would you be friends with?

>>43889656
None of them, because Sith don't have friends.

>>43889685
unless youre revan

but he aint a full sith I guess

>>43889715
He did get betrayed by Malak, in the end.
>>43889656
Being Palpatines friend is super comfy. Good things come to his inner circle. Just don't be his apprentice

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>>43889656
I would totally hold hands with her

>>43889753

Pureblood?

>>43889757
No Darth Maladi is actually Devaronian. The One Sith just really like tattooing themselves red.

>>43889794

I keep forgetting that they couldn't make up their mind what female devaronians look like, so whenever I see the ones with the spots on the forehead I don't recognize them.

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>>43886597

Canonically, mandos no longer exist, so whats your fucking point?

>>43890107
TCW is still canon though, and it has mandalorians galore. So does Rebels.

>liking rebels
>watch the star wars the clone wars movie
>its horrible
>watch episode 1
>its even worse

DOES THIS SHIT FUCKING IMPROVE OR WHAT

>want a new star wars game desperately since Kinect wasnt even worth playing
>BATTLEFRONT
>OH
>SHIT
>IT LOOKS AMAZING
>IT SOUNDS AMAZING
>wow there is a fuckload of grenade spam
>wait, wow, this homing rocket only takes 9 seconds to respawn and its almost always a free kill, giving me a free kill every 9 seconds
>wow, there is a LOT of grenade spam
>THERE'S ONLY FOUR FUCKING MAPS AND THEY'RE LINEAR AND SHIT??? FUUUUUUU

Okay this is upsetting, what's coming next?

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>>43890184

>KotOR Mandos
>Space Vikings with HONOR
>no longer canon

>SuperCommandos
>Reformed space vikings, turned mercenaries, with HONOR
>no longer canon

>Traviss Mandos
>Operators Operating With Beskar on Operations
>WITH HONOR
>no longer canon

>TCW Mandos
>nuclear pussy whipped space pacifist alderaan mk II
>No honor in sight

>TCW Death Watch
>asshole space vikings who want to rape shit
>no honor
>blarg we are dead boring bad guys
>cardboard cutouts who die to make the main characters look cool
>supa special mary sue shadow the edgehog black lightsaber
>dead because bad guys never win

>Rebels Mandos
>One former imperial who wears the armor, and spray paints things
>No reference to anything mandalorian
>heavily implied to be a daughter\clone of angela merkel'alore

Sure man

>>43890213
It does, finish the first season, you should be hooked by then

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>>43890300
>what's coming next?

DLC

>>43890305
So in other words, they are still canon. Plus, they still have the deathwatch "muh honor" terrorists around.

>>43890403

The point im trying to make is that Mandalorians as warriors with honor is no longer canon, which at that point, the term "mandalorian" might as well be "kumquat" for all the relevance it has

Also, deathwatch are dead dude

>>43876592
>not letting your players break canon if they feel it's necessary or fun

I'm still trying to figure out all the ramifications of Veer's walker assault on Hoth being halted and him being personally killed by an assassin droid working for the Rebels. Echo Base was eventually destroyed by a bunch of TIE bombers taking down the shield generator, followed by a full orbital bombardment

Anyone know when the YT-2400 was first made? Would they be prototypes in 10BBY, or are they much older like the 1300?

>>43878308
Cannot decide whether this is a terrible idea or one of the most profoundly beautiful ideas ever conceived by /tg/.

CAN it be both?

>>43890794
They're actually pre-empire or around the clone wars era

>>43882962

>super-sayan yoda

>>43888433

Carth was pretty fun. Him and Jolee are the dudes you can verbally joust with for fun instead of being an asshole.

>>43883954
SERIOUSLY! what the fuck is with all of the hand-chopping in star wars!?!

>>43888179
You spelt blandest wrong

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>>43890927
Its a pretty valid strike in the arts of killing people with sharp objects.

>>43890682
must have been a bitch rolling a TIE deployment platform past the shield

>>43890927

Maybe it represents something or other? In the OT it was arms, mostly, always the right ones.

Someone posited the theory that it represents a failing of some sort, I think it's just loss of agency.

Most likely, it's a direct consequence of people running around with laser swords that cut through damn near everything, and hands and arms are the easiest thing to have cut off for effects purposes.

>>43890682
A bounty. A big one. Mara Jade may be getting a promotion.

>>43890305
>Mandalorian honor
What even is "honorable" for Mandalorians? They clearly give no shits about how people fight because they'll make liberal use of WMDs, shoot up civilians, and abuse the shit out of cloaking tech. It seems like the only things they actually care about are having a good scrap and getting Jedi kill silhouettes.

>>43891062
Shield only really stops attack from above, the TIEs could take the long route by dropping from the SDs like the walker transports did. The rest of the battle went more or less as canon (aside from Luke dodging potshots from snowtroopers escaping one of the downed walkers on the way to his X-wing), so if their systems could survive the cold long enough to close they'd have a decent shot at the generators.

PCs killed nearly an entire swarm of 20, only two survived to hit the target.

>>43891079
Oh, that's a given. I was just wondering as with the main attack being stopped so effectively, Leia may have made it to the transport and so ESB might've gone very, very differently.

>>43888433
Raiding a Hutt's vault isn't memorable? fighting off those Trandoshan slavers wasn't memorable? Murdering everyone in the jek jek tar didn't stick out to you? Picking a duo of characters to storm goto's yacht and save you pc wasn't memorable?

And Mission's back story was being a fucking orphan that looked up to her scumbag brother, she can't judge character worth a shit.don't know why you keep dragging Mira into this. But I'll take adopted Mando orphan /restless force sensitive bounty hunter gimmick over lockpick with attitude.

Hk nailed his Carth impression dead fucking on.

Zaalbar
Muh life debt
Muh Mission
Muh exile from home because claws
Muh evil brother

Killing a Zakkeg was awesome and those nice caches of Mando goodies were neat.
Pragus is crap though no one will dispute that

>>43891195
>>43891062
the ties could lower to the ground and then just hover into the shields slowly using their repulsors

>>43890920
Carth acted like he has a licenserious to be an asshole. No Carth I don't care how paranoid you are.

Jolees was cool

>>43891342
Licence

Fucking autocorrect

>>43891276
Yeah, that's pretty much what I decided happened. TIEs are capable of atmo flight, even if they do handle rougher than a badger's arse when they're there.

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>>43891248
>Pragus is crap though no one will dispute that

Peragus was actually my favorite part of KotOR II

>game starts
>ebon hawk is fucked the fuck up
>tutorial is being T3 having to fix the thing before it detonates in an asteroid field
>ends with mysterious shit, and the ship being pulled into some place
>wake up, who the fuck am I?
>why is everyone dead?
>holy shit, what the fuck happened
>solving a mystery while all that spoopy music in the background
>and then having to explore republic warship full of dead bodies and invisible sith assassins

Holy shit man, that was great

and as someone whose favorite movie was Empire, I love the dark atmosphere.

>>43891425
It's just not as cool the 2nd or 5th time around

I loved the darker atmosphere the game had overall too.

Empire is best SW movie

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>>43891494

Nothing is as good the first time - but I do judge Peragus on that first time, and it was GREAT.

Honestly, all this "1 was better then 2" back and forth is meaningless.

BOTH games were great. KotOR 1 was A New Hope, and KotOR 2 was Empire.

TOR was anakins betrayal

>>43890305
>heavily implied to be a daughter\clone of angela merkel'alore

Wait, what? Where was that implied?

>>43891248
>Raiding a Hutt's vault isn't memorable? fighting off those Trandoshan slavers wasn't memorable? Murdering everyone in the jek jek tar didn't stick out to you? Picking a duo of characters to storm goto's yacht and save you pc wasn't memorable?

Not really, no. It was just boring combat sequence after boring combat sequence. Taris had larger maps, more exploration, more ways to fuck with combat encounters (more hacking, more sabotage, etc.), and more enemy types. Everyone on Nar Shaddaa was an asshole, too, so it's impossible to care about any of the people or quests. Fuck, at least Taris had normal schmucks and the poor undercity people.

"Rescuing" the Exile is a rather weird notion, too, since the Exile by that point has already become a lightning-spewing, immortal god of war. Why did the Exile even need rescuing? He/she is mechanically capable of annihilating every chump on the planet. Everything was piss-easy except maybe the fight scene in the pazaak bar, but I cheesed that with my gorillions of salvaged land mines.

>Mira
Because she's the Mission analogue. Random female punk with a Wookiee, except this time, they're enemies instead of buddies. And seeing as Mira couldn't pick locks, there was no point in bringing her along. Atton was the only one more worthless in combat, T3 had more utility, and everyone else is on par with or more useful in a fight.

>Zaalbar
Anyone can simplify characters. Kreia is "Muh Avellone." Atton is "Muh pure pazaak." Bao-Dur is "Muhmbles." Hanharr is "GRAAR I AM EVIL." Visas is generic waifu bait. G0-T0 is "T3 but evil and intelligible." Disciple was so goddamn boring I can't even remember what his thing was, and I never bothered using him.

At least Zaalbar was a gateway into more Wookiee culture. The KOTOR II characters barely had any thing to offer beyond whining and misery.

>>43891600

Nowhere other than that they have similar names, as far as I know.

>>43891276
Shields short out repulsors

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>>43891758
The AAT were able to pass through them

>>43891774
They literally weren't able to

That's why they chilled out until they went down

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>>43891758
>Shields short out repulsors
If that was true, then the snowspeeders and evacuation ships would never have gotten off the ground.

>>43891602
>people in large cities are jerks
wow, what a news flash. and Taris had assholes to spare, that cunt in the bar, that old racist man, those kids picking on the Ithorian.

your complaints about rescuing the Exile, maybe if you do Nar Shadaa last and at level 30.

What's really weird is Bastila getting captured by a fucking swoop gang thugs.

>Taris had larger maps
you mean longer hallways. its 3 levels of hallways.

>Mira couldn't pick locks
You had at least 2 other party members by then. Mira's gimmick was making explosives and disarming/using mines.

>wookie culture
we live in trees and hate being slaves! the jungle is dangerous!

>>43891817
WHEN YOU PASS THROUGH THEM, they do. they don't short out every repulsorfield under the dome. which is fucking dumb

>>43891874
>>43891803
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Theater_shield
Go be retarded elsewhere

>>43889811
That's the canon form though.

>>43891863
*You had at least 2 other party members who were skill monkeys by then.

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>>43891573
they went out of their way to make my favorite game ever noncanon.... It was like a personal fuck you from Lucas and Bioware.

and nobody is going to change their minds on the KOTOR games I still prefer 2 and a better use of my time would be deciding if its worth putting a 4 in my Super Tactical Droid's intelligence in the FFG SW RPG.

>>43891342

Carth acted that way and I told him he was a stupid fuck and a frustrating piece of shit and I think I used words that you need to be studied up on the setting to understand. He kind of conceded after that and started opening up in bits and pieces. He's an asshole but if you call him on his shit, he'll sort of endear to you.

He's paranoid because all his mentors, friends, and soldier buddies turncoated to the Sith and killed his family in their campaign against the Republic. He's sworn off trusting after near everyone he knows who he cared about betrayed the Republic and killed the other half of everyone he knows and cares about.

Then again, I had no problems because I told him he was a shit and everyone sided with me during the Revan reveal, so he kind of had no backup after that and figured he might as well get over it.

>>43891863
>Taris had assholes to spare
Sure it did, but there were also people who weren't assholes. Several random civilians, the aliens, and the poor fucks in the undercity were all nice enough. The fact that there was a mix of assholes and normal people helped make Taris feel like an actual city.

>your complaints about rescuing the Exile, maybe if you do Nar Shadaa last and at level 30.
I did Nar Shaddaa first. Consular with heals and lightning makes combat a cakewalk.

>Taris had longer hallways
With branching, large central rooms, and multiple paths and computers to mess with. Nar Shaddaa was a more linear series of hallways with a shittier color palette.

>Bastila
She was a padawan, disoriented from the landing, not min-maxed, and had no lightsaber. She at least believably fucked up. Plus, stat-wise, the fights still posed a threat to her even with her capabilities.

>Mira doing explosives and mines
Explosives and mines were everywhere, so no real need for her. T3 was a vastly superior skill monkey and by then, I was already swimming in grenades and free mines. She got benched immediately.

>Wookiee culture
Still more worldbuilding than KOTOR II ever did. Star Wars cultures are simplistic. The hell do you expect, an anthropological thesis with a detailed history dating back to the primordial ooze? The Wookiees were a nice sideshow and gave some flavor to the setting. They had succession rules, an explanation for their methods of settlement, cultural taboos, etc.

>>43892137
>super tactical droid
They any good at leading from the front? If yes, I'd leave it at three and boost Presence a little instead. Ranks in Warfare can make up for it.

>>43891926

Yeah, I didn't expect the space furries who looked like Krystal from Starfox to become the canon one.

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>>43892234
>and had no lightsaber

Fun fact, I always bury or sell her double blade (that you recover from Brejik), and respec bastilla with dueling.

Because fuck this whole notion of double blades being jedi weapons.

>>43892234
that blind sullustan that changed your ship's code was an asshole? the twi'lek in the pazaak den that let you get a free win if you flirted with her was a total bitch? Quello's soft spot for the refugee family was dickish? I never noticed.

That pit you can tell the two thugs to jump into wasn't a large central room?

>plot convenience excuses Bastila but not the exile

>bitches about simplicity and now defends it

>>43891187
Mando honor is like Klingon honor.

More relevant question: Which jedi or sith would you bully?

>>43892807
Scout

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>FFG will never make an Old Republic book

>>43892657
>One large central room
Whoop-de-fucking-do. Nar Shaddaa had less of everything. Fewer sympathetic faces, fewer branching paths, fewer quests, fewer maps, less color.

>>plot convenience excuses Bastila but not the exile
The Exile in the early game was way more powerful than Bastila with a gigantic inventory full of explosives, meds, and backup weapons. There's also the fact that every enemy on Nar Shaddaa was weak as hell while the Taris enemies mechanically posed a threat to even Bastila. And the Exile is a war veteran. Bastila at least has a good excuse in that she's an inexperienced, unarmed rookie with an oversized ego in more dangerous territory.

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>>43889656

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I went to sleep ten hours ago and people are still on about the relative merits of K1/2?

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>>43892954

I'd rather talk about why TCW is shit, and Rebels is awesome