/srg/ - Shadowrun General

One of my characters is very fond of Colt.

If she choses shiawase. Shiawont regret it.

What contacts would a fresh-out-of-university mage probably have? Dropout students who made it into the shadows? I'm gonna have to have a magic source of some sort, but I only really know about magic mechanically, not as much magic in fluff.

>>43650874
>Not loving Ares

>>43650874
>Which corp does your runner endorse?
Tanamyre Resources

Evo-Corp.

Living the transhuman dream.

>>43650874
>endorsing a corp
You might as well play a fucking corpsec game and stop pretending

>>43650907
One.of my runners is a new Patriots style amurrican who endorses colt because its an AMERICAN BRAND and isn't a super corp like Ares - he blames the trip a's for Americas downfall.

>>43650932
Weed dealer/Talismonger, disgraced/former professor with a Bunraku fetish, legitimate friend who got an actual job

Hoi, chummers, does anyone have advice for building an adept?

I've got a character concept that I'm trying to make work -- a former Polish guerilla fighter, preferably an elf. I've got a solid grasp on the system -- problem is, building awakened characters is -hard-.

>>43650874
My runner's a Remington gal through and through. Sleek and sexy designs, reliable craftsmanship...

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I finally got off my lazy ass after a week of Fallout and finished my character sheet (minus physical description because I don't know what to write).

What did I miss? Fixer's gonna be a free contact, from the sounds of things, but we haven't gotten the details on it yet, so it's not on my sheet.

>>43651146
What character creation rules will you be using, ans what exactly do you want to be able to do?

>>43651381
Seems functionally standard.
Take that as you will.

>>43651393
I'll be using 5e priogen, with a slight few differences -- namely, several banned qualities, and no Attributes may be below 1.
As for what I want the character to be doing, is largely shooting, a side of survival, stealth, athletics and possibly demolitions.

>>43651408
Since I don't much like magic and am only playing it to shore up probable weaknesses in our party?

Yeah, functionally standard is what I'm looking for.

>>43651381
Get the Armor spell, cast it on your ass whenever shit hits the fan. Don't discuss, do it. You'll thank me the first time you encounter a ganger with an AK-97 that rolls high and sees through your invisibility.

If you can get your hands on a focus to sustain it for you, even better.

>>43651489
Gonna have to drop something for that. Any recommendations?

Does anyone know how sensors work? I tried interpreting pages 445-446, but I just give up.

Apparently, every single vehicle and drone comes equipped with a sensor array equal to its rating, except never does it say what that array is equipped with.

They also all have their own Sensor ratings and are pre-equipped with arrays of that rating, and yet drones, bikes and cars still appear on the Sensor Housing table with completely different numbers.

Sensor Functions part says that if a function is supposed to have its own Capacity stat, the Capacity is equal to the sensor's rating, which means that you can get cameras and microphones with 7 or 8 Capacity, when they shouldn't be able to go past 6 if you buy them normally.

So, what the hell is that all about? Do I get to choose what sensors go into my drone or scooter when I buy one? Do I get a better microphone if I buy it as a Rating 8 sensor? Do I even pay anything for any of them, or would a Kanmushi stuffed with a camera more expensive than itself and a laser range finder and an ultrasound detector that don't have a price listed still only cost 1000 nuyen?

And, sort of related, can you pilot a drone with just a commlink if you aren't a rigger, or do you still need some extra stuff?

>>43651496
I'd drop Analyze Magic. You can do whatever the spell does with assensing.

Yes the spell is better in the sense that it is a little stealthier, since you must not project astrally when casting it (and you'd have a better dicepool). But it's definitely the one you can pick-up during gameplay without too much problems, since you can already analyse anything magical you encounter.

>>43651532
Meh... Astral perception, not projection. But the end point is the same: you don't go temporarily dual-natured with the spell.

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>>43650874

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Hm, what corp, what corp?

Most of them are pretty evil, but Atztech seems fine. They own StufferShack (everybody loves Stuffers!) and also produce a lot of the worlds food.

>>43651414
I'd start with A: Attributes, B: Elf, C: Skills, D: Magic and E: Resources

With 24 Attribute points to distribute, you should be able to max out Agility (for shooting and sneaking), and get decent score in Willpower, Logic, Intuition and Reaction. (For resp. Survival, Demolitions, Tracking and general initiative.)

Then spread your skill points accordingly.

>>43651510
The only conclusion we managed to get is that all vehicles come with all sensor types by default, but their sensor rating act as hard limit for the amount of hits you can get while using perception through them. For the rest, you might want to wait for the Rigger 5 book and hope for the best.

>And, sort of related, can you pilot a drone with just a commlink?
Yes. That's called remote control, and can be used by both riggers and non-riggers. The RCC only adds the opportunity to run programs for the drones in their stead and share commands. But if you have one single drone loaded up with the program(s) it needs directly, a comlink is enough.

>>43651414
>and no Attributes may be below 1
Isn't that one of the normal character generation rules?

>>43651813
There's 13 different sensor functions, though, and an array can only hold 8.

Guess I'll just assume that you pick whatever you want for free when you buy anything that can hold a sensor inside and hope the excuse flies.

>>43650932
My Vodou Mage's backstory is that he failed out of University because he partied too hard, so he went into the shadows. One of his contacts is graduate hermetic mage student.
Turns out you're my contact.

>>43650874

Hey Anons, I need a bit of help.

I'm playing a Voodoo Conjuration-Focused mage. The problem is that my GM made a House rule that kinda... Kneecaps me.

The change is that Possession spirits can ONLY possess the mages that summon them (I.E. My spirits can only possess me), unless they were "Prepared Vessels". This means that I can't Possess allies, I can't possess enemies, I can't even possess my Armor to make it sturdier, or possess my sword to give it an Aura of Damage or shit like that.

Apparently, the original reason for this was that he didn't like the possession rules, because force 4 spirits (Which, for a conjuration focused Voodoo Elf is basically no challenge to spam) can very easily possess almost any enemy that I'll be coming across (and even some 'boss' enemies). But, this still means I can't possess Inanimate objects as well. So, the only way I can possess other people (Such as my allies), or inanimate objects (Such as voodoo trinkets), is if I were to have the Channeling school of magic. It's a ritual to prepare a Living Vessel (Which would amount to, pretty much, just my allies), and that's not too big of a deal, I had a lot of points in my Sorcery skill group, but Its Enchanting to prepare an Inanimate Vessel, which I've got, like 1 rank in.

The only compromise I was able to get from my DM was that I can buy prepared inanimate Objects, but at 30k for a force 3, and an additional 30k per force after that.

We're street level right now. What can/should I do? Should I dive directly into the meta magics?

>>43653768
5e?

>>43653819

Yeah, 5e, sorry, I should have mention that

>>43653768
Yes, your best bet is to Initiate ASAP and take the Channelling metamagic.

Ask him if, in exchange, he would be willing to let you learn how to prepare vessels at no/less additional Karma cost along with the initiation.

>>43653826
Talk to your GM about allowing possession for willing living targets, and having unwilling targets receive a dice pool bonus large enough that it makes his worries less?

Ask if you could try a session like that.

>>43653768
There are chemicals that can turn a person into a prepared vessel

Chrome Flesh

Instantaneously too

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>>43650874
>>43650874
My character, who is basically Krieger: Now With Hacking, used to work for EVO biomedical and was dismissed after the incident with the nano-aug'd pig. He believes that it was an amicable parting, and still buys supplies from them and talks to his friend Chet from accounting.

EVO wants him to please go away, but they get 'discounts' on using him as a shadowrunner so they put up with it.

>>43653934

What page? Is it permenant?

>>43654000
Only for as long as the drugs last i think is called Zombie Powder

Hard Targets also has some kind of zombie drugs

>>43654000
Zombie Powder (pg 187). It lasts for (1D6+ingester's Essence) hours.

12F, 1500 nuyen/dose.

Good in a SHTF situation to boost your comrades, but very costy in the long run.

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Mr. Johnson wants you to break these two fuckers out of Lone Star lockup. With the Assurance that they will be valuable assets to your team. What do?

>>43654086
It might get a little more complicated than that, of course, but the gist of the plan will be: Go in, sedate everything, dump the unconscious but whole pair at the rendez-vous place in exchange for nuyen.

Anyone got any advice for hacking in 4e? I'm trying to figure out what programs are the most useful (other than Exploit and Spoof, which I've heard are basically essential)

Hey chummers, what city in Tir Tairngire would you most like to run a campaign in?

>>43654159
The smoldering ruins of any one of them, preferably loaded with tons of roasted Lembas.

>>43654086

Make sure to get a concrete payday number first. Then, bring Narcojet.

Can elves get born as humans and then turn into elves when they got older?

>>43653976
You.

I like you. Keep doing what you're doing.

>>43654595
No. You gotta be born an elf or dwarf if memory serves.

>>43654683
Genetic Expression still happens but it's super rare, SURGE-levels of rare.

>>43654595
That's what the UGE and goblinization events were. Metahumans with dominant non human metatype genes that started turning into their metatypes once the mana level got high enough. The elves and dwarves had an easier time of it than the orks and trolls as they went through comparatively less drastic physical changes.

>>43654595
>>43654683
I don't remember where I read it, but maybe in one of the novels, a character was musing on why the British nobility was composed of such a high level of humans and elves compared to the rest of the population.

His companion (I guess a member of said nobility) told a story about a childhood friend who was born human, underwent goblinization into a dwarf, and was quickly and quietly put down and disappeared.

>>43654800
The novel "Streets of Blood"

>>43654595
It still happens. Extremely rarely, since most of thost that could turn into elves/dwarves already did long ago, but it still happens.

>>43650874
EVO are pretty cool guys as long as you're not a technomancer (and then you deserve anything done to you, you disgusting freak of nature).

>>43654998
Technomancers did nothing wrong, it's not their fault God skimped in the usefulness department for them.

>>43655076
I'll grant you it's not their fault for being the misbegotten spawn of a crazed A.I. Just like it's (in almost every case) not a ghoul's fault for becoming infected by the Krieger stain.

Still, the answer is the same!

Do regular (non-bio/LED) tattoos have any essence cost? I imagine not.

>>43656243
Nah. It's just a bit of ink under the skin, that's not exactly "pushing your body beyond what it naturally could".

Same as scarification wouldn't cost essence either, unless the most extreme of cases.

>>43656274
>Same as scarification wouldn't cost essence either, unless the most extreme of cases.
That wouldn't cause essence loss, as it states that losing limbs wouldn't cause essence loss.

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>>43653768
You can possess items to make them better?

>>43656852
Spirits can possess dead/inanimate objects, yes.

Apparently the technomancer e-book Echoes and Mirages has a new development team, so don't expect it to be out any time soon.

>>43657361
Fuck my perky asspussy, seriously? Fuck you, CGL. First LittleMac and now their legacy.

>>43654150
Stealth, Analyse, Browse, ECCM, Edit.

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>>43657426
Supposedly LittleMac quit due to personal issues?

>>43657361
Thank fuck they dropped Yue

>>43657361
Good. Great. Thanks CGL.
>>43657486
The way she phrased it here made it sound like she was made to leave, though, didn't it?

>>43657361
WHY CAN'T WE HAVE NICE THIIIINGS

>>43657361
Just give me the damn Rigger book.

I JUST WANNA GO FAAAAST

>>43657657
Early January, most likely.
>>43657518
All we really got from her was 'I've had to leave, I can't discuss it, I'm leaving forever, so long and thanks for all the fish'. One of the bitchier developers said she left due to personal issues.
So there's one of two options. Either she was forced out for trying to do the book in a certain way and the other dev(s) didn't like it, or personal issues cropped up.

>>43656387
Honestly I just go with pre 4th's understanding of essence and genemods, cosmetic changes and biosculpting in general don't.

>>43657361
Fuck this, back to 4th forever until I'm done writing my own homebrew cyberfantasy game.

>>43657724
I figure a lot of column A, some of B. A lot of devs got overruled about shit since the beginning to the point where some of them have publicly stated they ignore shit like deck prices in their home games among other retarded shit the grog faction shoved in.

I half expect the techno and rigger handbooks to be another kick in non-magic chars' faces.

>>43658049
To be fair, Technos need the boost

At least if riggers work better that will be one more thing in the mundies' arsenal

>>43658319
Honestly I agree they did, aspected and technos are the two awakened who got fucked in the edition move (and I almost feel bad saying that considering 4e technos weren't exactly amazing to begin with)

>>43658729
I honestly don't get why they didn't keep Aspected a Negative quality like 4e did.

>>43658893
I really wish 5e gave Aspected Magicians Projection.
As someone who uses Karmagen almost exclusively, Aspected Magicians never see play, ever.

So something I'm seeing in the books is that I should "always" have an Analyze program running. How "always" is good enough? Is it something I should consider having my non-hacker character invest in an agent for?

In 5e, how much do you usually give players at character creation?

>>43659648
How much what?

>>43659648
>>43659783
I'm assuming hes talking to me, maybe.
>>43659298

>>43659783
>how much karma
goddamn it.

>>43659298
Why would you play an Aspected Magician when you can be a full-on Mage?

>>43659816
800 Karma for standard gen, I haven't tried playing Street Level/Street Scum yet.

>>43659823
Thats the point I was making, omae. Theres no reason in Karmagen 5e to take Aspected over Full Magician. Not having Project as an Aspected is just another thing that makes Aspected worse.

>>43659856
Is projection really that important? We were mostly conducting our business in meatspace, even though we had two mages on our team.

>>43659823
Flavor mostly. Also it did give you back enough BP that it cost as much as an adept in 4th

>>43659890
It's unimportant in 99% of games

>>43659981
Being an adept and being aspected are tied for the same priority in 5e (D, lowest that is not mundane), but since higher priorities give you larger benefits, including higher magic scores and free spells at chargen... Yeah. Higher Aspected mages still get higher skills but it's not nearly enough to make up for the versatility normal mages get.

>>43651724
>Most of them are pretty evil, but Atztech seems fine
nigga u cray

Where can I find details on personasofts/personafixes? I don't see anything on them in Chrome Flesh or the core book, besides that they exist.

>>43650932
One of my pet peeves is when the players and/or GM act like everybody and their grandma is involved in the shadows. Try and get some white people contacts, not color you background with hard men who graduated to advanced forms of gang banging/terrorists-for-hire gigs.

>>43660054
The higher skills don't even pay back the karma you'd hypothetically get from aspect as a penalty (and like, enchanting and conjuring aspect were 20kp penalties in 4th)

>>43650874
I had a street sam who didn't endorse ares per say but wound up pretty well connected and highly rated in their own list of go-to operatives. After I retired him he eventually became a cyber zombie who run a sweeper team for them.

>>43660131
I've got a contact list that's a local street medic, a barman, a ganger lieutenant, and a fourth slot

Also how essential is a fixer in general?

>>43660121
Try 4e materials. Sim Dreams and Nightmares has quite a bit of flavor.

>>43660184
Depends on your GM. All of it does, really.

But as a general rule you NEEDS you a Fixer.

A lot of GMs introduce you to your fixer at the start of the game though.

>>43660184
>Also how essential is a fixer in general?

It's a difference between a good fixer and Motherfucking Taka.

>>43660184
Most gms will give you a fixer for free just to avoid the resource tax.

>>43660184
As important as the guns you carry, the spells you know, the decks you pack and drones your rigger controls. They are more or less essential unless one of you doubles as both a fixer and a runner, which is generally not advised. Fixer is your connection between the shadows and the rest of the society.

>>43660224
It never hurts to have more than one for the group. More options = good.

>>43660204
Thanks, omae.

>>43660265
Fixers are generally portrayed as exclusive, because they get a cut of what their runners make and don't like to share. Not to mention the possibility of cripping a rival fixer by sabotaging their prize teams. Politics everywhere son. Trust no one.

That said, it depends on how your GM runs things. There's no right way to do it and the books flipflop wildly between styles and flavors. All fixers are also info brokers, so it doesn't hurt to know a few even if they don't handle your work.

>>43660370
Plus it's an extra pawn shop.

I always have a low level Mafia fixer for a bit of extra work and he's always in the market for any extra drugs or weapons or whatever you might have laying around. He can sell it for a profit somewhere.

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How would you stat this guy /srg/?

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>>43660832
God we're going to see no end of this shit in the coming year
You're like the fucking Kiritos

>>43660905
The fuck is a kirito?

>>43660832
Adept with Elemental Attack and Missile Parry.

>>43660919
another boring character that attracted people like you.

What's the cheapest non-drug reaction booster that's actually viable to use? I'm running pretty short on cash trying to make that blank slate build someone proposed a week or so ago here.

Are Adept Gunslingers actually viable, or should I stick to cyber for my shooty needs?

>>43660939
Speaking of adepts and this guy
>>43660832

Burnout's way. Can anyone give me a summary on how it works? I know mechanically it helps with essence balancing act with 'ware and magic. But from a lore perspective, how would you describe it.

>>43660987
Goodness, the butthurt on this one.

>>43661082
Adepts exist to completely defy mundane limits and expectations. The real bread and butter of any adept is Improved Ability, not their wuxia kung fu powers. It's one of if not the only ways to augment your skill ratings.

>>43661069
Wired Reflexes + Reaction Enhancers

>>43661264
Unless you're talking R1 Wired Reflexes, that's not cheap in the slightest, omae.

>>43661089
Lorewise, you learn to adapt your aura to the intrusiveness of cyberware. That may manifest itself in various ways, such as having your cyberware scrimshawed with the runic magic that matches your tradition, ensuring that every piece is blessed, undertaking deep breathing rituals while going through surgery to make your aura as accommodating to the changes as it can be, etc.

>>43661278
Its the cheapest non-drug reaction booster out there that isn't "being an adept", omae.

>>43661323
>>43661278
>tfw spent 40 grands on reakt thinking it was the bioware version of move-by-wire until you read the 4th edition initiative rules

>>43661323
Let's say I've got more in the ballpark of 100k. I can't pull R2 Wired Reflexes with that. I *can* pull R2 Reaction Enhancers and get the Reflexes later. And no, essence FUN is not going to let me get used R2 WR.

>>43661366
What edition?

>>43660184
You can get a few jobs through those guys. A dedicated fixer is necessary if you want to play the regular runner route, but generally one per group is fine, and it's easy to get one in play if the GM isn't a cock.

>>43661400
5e.

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Anything else i should take for my gunslinger adept?

>>43661487
You can definitely take WR1 and RE2 under 100k.

>>43661778
I'll see if I can manage to get it to work with actual gear. My dosh is in poor shape.

>>43661704
I would probably pull a couple of points out of unarmed in favor of perception tbqh. I mean, melee is kind of a bo big or go home type thing, and you only have 3 strength and a 9 dice sneaking pool.
I wouldn't use knucks either. Shock gloves will help compensate for your average strength, so they'd be my backup wapon of choice.
Getting more than one point of edge might be good if it can be managed.
I'm sure there's a few other things but it looks fairly solid.

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Two questions for a corporate HTR game with provided vehicle:
1) I think I did it right. It's a 5e statline, but using the mod rules from Arsenal. Did I do it right?
2) What does a team rigger do in a situation like this, during a mission? Does he get out with the team, the drones tag along, and he tells the helicopter to fuck off into the sky until he needs it? Or does he leave the drones on the chopper, and you get a 3 gun mobile firing platform? I have no idea what a rigger player would do.
3) How quickly will the players get the helicopter blown up?

>>43662310
Ideally a rigger player is jumped into a "master" drone or vehicle kitted to the nines with armor and death turrets while he continues sending RCC commands to the swarmers milling about. At full capacity, a rigger is at least a miniboss in scale.

For most HTR teams it's likely a guy who sits in the van running recon, overwatch and extraction from his RCC.

The pink rigger is the guy who marches in with his drone pets astride or flanking targets.

>>43661416
Yeah, the plan with the GM is more to start as street-ish people (karmagen with a bunch of availability and power caps) and knowing him he'll probably do sort of a billboard thing with all our contacts as a party (he initially suggested we play roomies but instead we just live in the same rough area with a shared safehouse)

Hey can someone explain the difference between the Control Device matrix action and the Spoof Command matrix action.

the example of play in Data Trails (pg. 87) - A Lesson on Host Invasion - uses both actions for the same thing, opening a real world door, so i'm a little confused

Spoof Command requires a mark on an authorized user of the target. It is always a Complex Action.

Control Device implies ownership and requires multiple marks for different action levels. It's the same action as the end action (if you make the device perform a Simple Action, you spend a Simple Action controlling it).

>>43662777
From my understanding of it, spoof command means you make a command to get the device to do something, like a rigger getting a drone to make it's own action, so the device does the action using its own rating, or pilot program, ect. It also only requires one mark on the device's controller, not the device itself, no matter what you want it to do, and the test is always Hacking + Intuition [Sleaze] v. Logic + Firewall.

On the other hand, Control Device is more complicated but also allows more complex actions, like shooting a turret gun remotely. This action you have to have a mark or marks on the device itself, and the tests vary depending on what you want to do. You also don't have to make an opposed test for any device you own and can make multiple commands at once, with a divided dice pool if you don't own the device.

How bad of an idea is a Parashield dart gun built into a cyberarm? Alternately, how good of an idea?

Very related: Does the skillsoft subscription service cover exotic weapon skills to download?

>>43663380
It might be good to use capsule/injection rounds with a cyber pistol or smg?

>>43663448
Out of my availability range at chargen, unfortunately.

Official errata for many of the books out fucking when?

>>43664453
The last errata for 5e was pre chrome flesh, IFAIR.

>>43664531
Pre Run Faster even.

>>43664544
I'm referring to the Missions FAQ, which was post-RF.

>>43664587
Missions FAQ isn't errata. The problem is that it's entirely predicated on the idea of balancing Missions.

How would the UCAS respond to a AAA corp that intentionally released a designer bioweapon in Seattle? This is just a random question, no reason to it.

>>43665124
Depends on congress. Considering they seized the renraku arcology, chances are that mega just lost all its assets in the UCAS and will possibly have every other mega and major power gunning for them.

Blatant fuckups like those, in-setting, is part of how the Japanacorps have been losing ground.

>>43665254
Is that to say a corp wouldn't likely do that, or that it's tricky business? I would think it's something they would do, if they felt that they could contain the virus enough (The purpose being both a testing field, and to later sell vaccines), and didn't have any leaks on the data.

But, as soon as it hits the media, you could see the UCAS giving them some ultimatum? Remove all your assets and personnel from our country, or we'll get violent?

>>43665324
Megacorps would potentially not try something on that scale.

If they did try chances are their leadership is letting the power the business accords grants go to their head, and that's actually a bad thing. As in this is complete suicide.

>ultimatum
lol, no, immediate seizure unless their ceo is literally the president (then immediate impeachment followed by seizure)

>>43665378
It wouldn't even be possible justified if the virus was contained to say, a single district of the city? I had an idea for a series of runs involving this, but if the idea is too far-fetched, I may just have to toss it.

>>43665404
To add on, could it be possible that it's a junior executive's pet project gone horribly wrong? I could see the orders for it not coming directly from the heads of the corporation.

>>43665404
No, this is literally reaching retarded levels. The UCAS, as shitty as it is, is not Aztlan and only Ares might, maybe, possibly get away with some of this shit

>>43665449
I figured the UCAS was equivalent to any old third world country, and as a risky move, a corp may just do something like that. But if it's "retarded levels" as you say, I'll toss the idea.

In discussion with this, is there no laws regarding stuff like corporate murder? Is it always pinned on the whole of the corporation when it commits what could be classified as corporate murder? (Murder for benefit of the corporation) Or could it be pinned on a single person?

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>>43664621
Barring the Mission specific parts like allowed Qualities, its as close as we can get to an actual errata and RAI clarifications (at least for those that don't have access to german Books, LEL).

>>43665508
Not every third world country is india by far and ultimately the megas don't like people shitting up their turf.

More importantly Seattle is a corporate enclave, it's basically a corporate Geneva. You're not only going to get the UCAS against you, but also the other AAAs.

Anyone know of a great map of Seattle I could stick up on roll20 to help my players visualize where everything is?

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Where do you guys set up your starting lifestyles? We're not all Barrens rats, are we?

>>43666121
Everett, Snohomish, Pullayup (yes I know, Barrens), Renton, Auburn, and the parts of Bellevue on the edge of Redmond are all shitty enough to afford on a Low lifestyle, iirc.

>>43662777
>Control device
You're using a remote to control something directly.

>Spoof command
You pretend you're something else to get the device to react how you want. For that you need a mark on 'something else' rather than the device itself.

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>>43665804

I like to use this one.

http://www.1w6.de/rpg/sr/map/

>>43666121
Usually mid or low, I generally have to buy shit that is really important at char creation so I can avoid having to acquire it later.

>>43665432

It really depends on the specifics. Sterilising half the orcs of the Barrens is one thing, turning downtown into chronenberg creatures is another thing entirely.

Anything obvious is almost certainly going to affect other corps, and assuming that doesn't get hushed up and transformed into the mother of all shadowwars, its probably going to the corporate court for arbitration and a comprehensive asskicking.

On the other hand, discrete doping of the water to test some new genetic enhancement or something, that might work. Or maybe a very contained test, a single block, or something.
>>43665508
UCAS has to deal with the corps almost as an equal, but it still has power.
Extraterritoritality means that on their own ground (declared ground, importantly), they're effectively they're own country. Everywhere else, it's down to the laws of the nation, and I can't imagine that in Shadowrun of all places, corporate manslaughter has much legal teeth.

>>43666506
>declared ground, importantly
e.g. While the semi-private mega that owns french rail and telecoms is extraterritorial along its entire network, afaik, Stuffer Shacks aren't covered by aztech extraterritoriality.

So how does everyone avoid being recognized in Shadowrun?

I play a troll infiltrator from Harlem, he's black, lithe (relatively), and has a mass of dreadlocks. We recently broke into the public library to steal some rare first editions, I had to coerce a guard into cycling their vault. On the job my guy wears a chameleon suit, helmet, goggles, and a rebreather, so next to know skin is visible.

But I was made and had to flee town. The GM tells me my guy is easily recognizable being a black troll. But I don't have distinctive style, or anything like that and New York probably has something like 400,000 black trolls.

>>43666662
Your GM a shit

Worst case there might be some facial features, but no, "a black troll" isn't distinctive. Most major metropolitan areas in the UCAS are probably close to a third non-human and a significant minority of that is probably going to be black.

>>43666662
Your GM seems incredibly punishing.

Or you forgot something that made you readily identifiable.

>>43666121
Squatter or Low.
Medium after the first run or two, and then if I start raking in the dough, High.

Unless I'm playing someone who continually spends all the money they get at every opportunity buying more shit.

>>43666662
Mask when on the job, bulky clothes, fake moustaches and beards are relatively cheap and effective, so is hair dye. Also destroying cameras.

Though the last character I played was a Master of 1,000 Faces, and he hadn't used his original body in years.

Okay, so I'm considering whether or not I want to take Blank Slate. I like the idea of the quality, and it works really well with the character concept I'm working from (and inspired it in the first place)... But I don't honestly know how well I can play it out in practice. Has anyone actually played with the quality? It's got no mentions I can see across any of the main Shadowrun sites.

>>43666998
My knowledge of it is based on 4e, so if you're going off of 5e (if they're introduced it), I have no clue.

Mostly it's a roleplaying quality, or if such a thing exists, an anti-roleplaying quality. Your character is basically devoid of personality or motivation and needs a personasoft to even DO anything.

I had considered it once, but I don't even know how I'd go about it well. Your character remembers everything a normal person would, however their personality is irrevocably dead. Not even like "rational robot", more "incapable of taking action".

So in short, because it's confusing and because people don't know if their GM's going to temporarily render them incapable of action if their persona-soft fails. Also because it's from Sim Dreams and Nightmares, which not that many people read. Sadly. Good book.

>>43667040
>Not even like "rational robot", more "incapable of taking action".

This is the big thing keeping me from taking it. I made a post yesterday about playing out the rational robot, got good responses, and was pretty hyped... and then re-read the quality, and you're literally useless without a personasoft. Not so hype.

5E uses identical wording to 4E for the quality itself, but there's nothing in all of 5E about personasofts (go figure CGL would forget something like that).

>>43667051
Ask your GM if he's okay with the "rational robot" approach.

>>43666662
Did you leave your PAN on?
Was your team network hacked?
Did you miss astral security?
Did the books have tracers in them because they were rare?
Was your voice on camera?
Did you unmask in front of a camera or in a location with witnesses?

If none of those apply, your GM a shit.

>>43666998
The movie Fargo when other people are asked to describe Buscemi's character.
"Can you explain what you mean by funny looking?"
"I don't know, just kind of funny looking."
That sort of thing

>>43666662
>400,000 black trolls
Some GMs are shit like this.
I had one who once told me that for being a pasty Ork I should probably have a high-grade distinctive style quality.

I almost forgot me am green ork who smash gud.

>>43667117
Did he literally not read the books? Because I'm pretty sure Shadowrun orks are human-tinted, not green Warhammer shit.

>>43667192
He was one of those guys who claims to have "extensive knowledge" but then fucks up the most fundamental shit.

Like cyberzombification being literally a spell which turns someone into a zombie, which can be done by "magical savants with no training".

>>43667063
Quality's a no-go. Oh well. No skin off my back, or whatever the phrase is. Any other suggestions for a skillwired-up ganger with modular limbs?

Have you ever played a story that transitioned from D&D to this? I thought of doing something like that... years into the future.

>>43667221
>skillwired
Have actual skills?

>>43667236
That's the setting I made for my players, just changed the fluff around a tad.

Helps that my players don't know jack shit about the lore

One of them's playing a mage that summons the spirits of their long-dead D&D characters

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>>43667236
>Have you ever played a story that transitioned from D&D to this? I thought of doing something like that...
I had considered this once, then I realised the very concept undermined what Shadowrun was about and discarded it into the bin of shameful thoughts.

Which includes my old "original" DMPC and every Pixie build I'd ever created.

>>43667242
I have actual skills.

I also have skillwires.

The two are not mutually exclusive. Platinum subscription to the skillsoft service = rating 4 in ANY skill on demand, in addition to the 6(?) skillsofts I can have on me personally with a chipjack. Yes please.

I've never played Shadowrun before, which version is the best? inb4 edition war... I hope you are better than the D&D crowd

>>43667256
Isn't the 'ware like prohibitively expensive though?

>>43667263
Whole kit edges out at 120k for Rating 4 across the board. It's not prohibitive by any means, considering I plan to use it to its fullest (and it was part of my core concept until "no Blank Slate" rolled around).

>>43667254
And what is it about?

>>43667260
I like 4th, most other people I know like 5th.
The differences are fairly minimal, apart from the Hacking rules (which, God help me, I'm proficient with).

Whichever you can get a group for is better, though odds favour 5e right now.

>>43667236
We considered doing it with a game of Earthdawn's D20 adaptation but kinda gave up on doing the crossover.

>>43667256
Can't spend Edge on a skillsoft.

>>43667272
>And what is it about?
People in a technologically advanced future who have had all this "heritage" unceremoniously dumped into their laps.
Instead of being the "uplifting joy" or "noble art" that it is in many other setting, in Shadowrun magic has been commodified, and is just another part of the bottom line.

Magicians are feared (and rightly so), and metatypes are just another factor to divide humankind, with most of the "reclaim your ancient culture" groups being nothing more than fronts for racial supremacist organisations or profit mongering machines who make merchandise out of relatively unreliable "historical" records.

There are no real heroes, not like D&D seems to suggest.
You're not larger than life, you're not someone who can save the kingdom.
You're the guy who is hired to murder someone for a raise, or to desperately flail in vain at the monolithic powers which control the world.
And anyone who does try to make the world better? Only manages to break it in some other way.

Hope died with Dunkelzahn, and nobody can get over themselves to realise that what he was doing may have saved the world.

Plus time travel and alternate dimensions aren't really a thing in Shadowrun.

>>43667294
No, you can't. Hence why I've still got a core set of skills.

I'd like something to differentiate myself from "rich kid Batman with a rapier" on the team. This is a backup character anyway, for my current one's inevitable, gory death. Being a little worse in combat and a lot better in general usage qualifies as "something different".

Plus, exotic weapon skills. Already confirmed I can pull 'em off the subscription service with the GM. Saves me going through the bullshit of how the skill system regularly deals with it.

>>43667305
There's no real heroes in about half the old AD&D settings. And honestly I like the transition because it's the transition to modernity in general. It's perfectly in spirit.

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Hey /srg/ me and my buddies are all starting a Shadowrun game over Roll20 with me as the GM. We are all new to the system, and I will be fairly new to GMing. I am currently learning the rules better so that sessions won't take forever while we all have to look shit up, but after that I think we are ready to start.

I was wondering what the best adventure or module is for new players and a new GM. I could run a bunch of one shots till I think of something, but I would rather have a storyline to use so that it isn't just a random assortment of runs.

tl;dr best adventures for total SR noobs.

>>43667351
>best adventure or module is for new players and a new GM
Food Fight, followed by On the Run.
It's a classic.

>>43667351
My players had a lot of fun running the "Silicon Slick" adventure from London Falling if you don't feel like Food Fight. It's very movie-esque.

Cut out weird shit like the tentacle rape jokes though

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>>43667351
Use Cyberpunk 2020 modules and add in a few metahumans

>>43667368
Eh, can't be worse than that 4e Missions module where you run in on a mob "surgeon" in the process of turning a 13yo girl into a Bunraku doll.

>>43650874

Ares.

But S.K. is good as long as you can deliver.

Is there any reason to ever take an adrenaline pump, aside from "I like to kill myself at the end of a run"?

>>43667611
It's one of the very few ways to temporarily boost Willpower as a mundane.

But yes, it cost a lot and most of what it does can be done for less essence, nuyen and risks by other 'ware.

>>43667480
> But S.K. is good
+1 Notoriety

>>43667750
>+1 Notoriety
Oh please Anon.
If you believe you've never worked for a Dragon you're deluding yourself.

Hoi, chummers!
I'm gonna be running a game in the next few months for some pals. The characters are going to be participating in Horizon's hit new show, which is a mix of the running man and the amazing race, entitled "Shadowrun for your life!(tm)"
The players will be attempting to make their way across the continental US with mandatory checkin locations/challenges in certain cities. Throughout this, the players will be hunted by a colourful cast of mercenariesloking to cash in on the large bounty Horizon places on our intrepid heroes' heads, including but not limited to: an auged up terminator imitator, a group of ex-spetsnaz, crazy shamans, and of course, the bounty will be offered to lonestar/KE as well.

So I ask you this, /srg/, what are some interesting characters, locations, and challenges I can have the players encounter?

>>43667808
>Lone Star
>GaryOldmanEVERYONE!.webm

Now try to get past that, perps!

>>43667808
If you'll indulge me, I have a few questions about your concept. Assuming the players survive the show, make it to the end, win the prize, whatever, what happens next? They've been plastered all over global trids. I can't imagine that'd be very good for staying shadowy on future jobs. Is the prize pool large enough the can live off it for the rest of their lives, and they retire?

>>43667859
"Getting to the end and winning" would probably bring an end to the campaign, the prize pool will be multi-million tier.
The players aren't necesarily going to be career shadowrunners, I'm going to ask my players to make characters desperate enough to compete in this crazy gameshow.

>>43667885
Technically they could continue running, but they'd be forced into very public, high-profile jobs. Finding a way out of the deal would be a campaign in itself.

>>43667785
There's a difference between being shanghaied by a dragon in one of their schemes without being aware of it, and then willfully making a deal with and supporting one.

>>43667260
Fourth. It's playable right out of the box and piss easy to houserule.

>>43667808
Give them yellow full body spandex.

>>43668786
>Give them yellow full body spandex.
I fail to get the reference.

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>>43669307

Am I correct in thinking that from 4e onwards, Knight Errant has the police contract for Seattle, and not Lone Star?

If that's true, is there a part in the books that cover it? I can't seem to find anything.

>>43669450
I remember reading that somewhere, unsure of the source though.

>>43669450
The 5e corebook states KE has the Seattle contract, but how it came to be, no idea.

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>>43669625
>>43669450
It's mentioned in a few of the 4e books; basically Lone Star fucked up handling the tempo situation, so the city yanked the contract and gave it to KE. Coincidentally, the Azzies et al blasted most of the tempo production facilities in Amazonia shortly afterwards, making Errant's job much easier.

>>43665124

Regarding clean-up and response to the bioweapon, I'd imagine the UCAS would be looking to other AAAs bids to solve the problem, though publicly it would be obliged to have "the boots on the ground" be in UCAS uniforms.

They'd also be officially delaying allocating blame until they've either found/manufactured and placed damning evidence of who did it, and undermined competing theories.

This might well be some high level politician looking to have a rival's head roll and be remembered as a disgrace and a traitor, instead of an actual investigation into WTF just happened.

Also, Seattle is a UCAS enclave, right?

I'd have thought that the AAA would be looking to establish/manufacture doubt that it was responsible, stall any official investigation until they've both evidence it couldn't have been them AND evidence it must have been someone else in place.

THAT and frame some key investigators who're looking to make a name for themselves so they're obliged to either sing from the AAA's hymn sheet or face disgrace and blacklisting for being incorruptible.

>>43662446
>Ideally a rigger player is jumped into a "master" drone or vehicle kitted to the nines with armor and death turrets while he continues sending RCC commands to the swarmers milling about. At full capacity, a rigger is at least a miniboss in scale.

Is there a way to do this in 5e yet, or should I wait to be disappointed by Rigger 5?

>>43671271
You can probably manage miniboss in firepower, but you'll still go down to a stray rifle bullet. Unless it's a vehicle, in which case you might just survive an initiative pass and "only" die by the end of the combat turn.

>>43671271
You should wait. I would say to try and keep some hope up.

Even if they'd actively try to mess it up, it'd probably end up as a net gain for riggers right now.

>>43671116
>implying the response would be that measures
The UCAS nuked downtown Chicago in response to the bug issue.

>>43650920
This made me lol harder than I probably should have.

>>43650920
Ares does what Shiawon't.

So, Chrome Flesh finally gives stats for four types of moodchips. According to the core rulebook's incredibly-brief writeup on them,

>After the chip’s program has run its course, the user crashes, usually feeling the opposite emotion of the BTL for an hour or two.

Would the stat changes that they get be reversed for that 1-2 hours as a result?

>>43654673
The best part is that one of the other party members rented out space in Zunkuft/Krieger's trailer for a few months in exchange for allowing him to perform invasive surgery.

Which is why our russian ork street samurai is bioware'd up to his ears. He's a little upset that he was not informed that this was what Zunkuft was going to do, but it lets him Cheeki Breeki easier so he's not complaining.

>>43674914
I wouldn't make it quite that harsh, maybe slap them with disorientation or something.

>>43675447
From my perspective at least, it's not that harsh. They're +1/-1 adjustments to 2-4 stats.

And speaking of BTLs, the fuck is with addiction rules? You can burn out and die on soykaf of all things?

>>43675764
The addiction rules were not really designed with low-grade addictions in mind. Personally I tell my players that if they want an addiction to a harmless substance they can take the Dependent quality for it.

>>43675813
Right. Well, since BTLs are harmful, time to figure out how "slots downers to keep cyber-enhanced reflexes in check" is going to work without killing me in a month or less.

>>43675958
If you've got wires, those can be turned on and off at will.

>>43676074
Natural 6 REA + Reaction Enhancers 2. 8 REA minimum, and REs can't be switched off.

>>43676184
All Cyberware can be switched off.
Don't make a fuss out of something that doesn't need to be addressed.

>>43671325
>The UCAS nuked downtown Chicago
Only a liiiiitle one.

>>43676299
So roleplay isn't worth the fuss... In a role-playing game?

>>43676597
There's a difference between roleplay and fretting over something that is literally a non-issue.

>>43676642
I'm trying to figure out how to make a character that uses BTLs without dying in the first month of gameplay because CGL cannot into addiction rules. If people burned out as fast as the addiction rules indicate, Seattle wouldn't have a drug problem, because everyone would be fucking dead.

Would Bioware claws stack with Bone Augmentation?

I know strike calluses are better, but this is thematic.

>>43677639
Theoretically they should, but I don't think they do mechanically. Bone augmentation changes your unarmed damage, and bioware weapons are separate weapons with their own damage formulae.

>>43668722
>>There's a difference between being shanghaied by a dragon in one of their schemes without being aware of it, and then willfully making a deal with and supporting one.
Being afraid of dragons like they're some ever-looming boogeymen out to screw you does nobody any favors. Handle things professionally and there's no need to worry. Just because you cross someone powerful doesn't mean they're going to destroy you. It's business. So long as you don't do anything retarded there's no reason things can't play out smoothly.

>>43650932
Former classmates and maybe even a disgraced former faculty member.

>>43650932
Don't forget the unifying link between stressed academics and the shadows: Bartenders.

>>43666121
Middle because I want a serviceable decent sized home. Additionally hard to find and extra secure so that once the hammer starts to drop it my PC has time to run away. The way I fluff this is usually that the property, through a variety of problems with documentation, has been around for a long time and never ended-up being bought by various corps who instead merely built around the home secluding it from most people's notice.

>>43677639
>Bone Augmentation
I know what that probably is, but the only thing that came to mind was an aug where your skeleton has some autonomous intelligence system bound to it, and if you get incapacitated beyond movement it takes over and basically puppeteers your meat around until combat ends.

>>43678266
So it's like a skeleton controlling you while you are out cold?

>>43678266
Oh, and when active, it makes these noises.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaIOaE7Mg9Y

>>43678266
>Aug
Please leave

>>43678266
That plus a Valkyrie and you're pretty much set.

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>>43678327
No.

>>43678402
Deus Ex isn't cyberpunk )))

>>43678434
Neither is Ghost In The Shell.

>>43678469
I know

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>>43678501

>>43678469
>GitS doesn't deal with the alienation brought about by advances in modern technology

I bet you're one of those who think CP is really about console cowboys who type really very fast.

>>43678545
Ghost in the Shell is post cyberpunk get fukt

>>43678543
Cyberpunk is the deddest of ded genres

>>43678545
To be clear, I think Deus Ex and Ghost In The Shell are fine being labelled cyberpunk. But some people will be quick to go out and say that because they don't put you in the shoes of the objectivist libertarian poster child losers making headway where nobody else can that they're not cyberpunk.

>>43676737
give them a shit ton of willpower and logic? (or is BTL resisted with body for some reason.)
there's some qualities to help resist addiction as well. On the whole BTLs are supposed to be stupid addicting, though I agree the low and High end of the addiction ruling pretty much break horribly.

>>43678545
The series / films are. The setting isn't.

>>43678590
desu even in Shadowrun that kind of character is seen as a joke. The neo-anarchists aren't exactly respected by anyone including most anarchists.

So did anyone else notice you can play a straight up gargoyle circa Snow crash?
the quality is pretty broken though, for the price of taking some minor negatives if you turn your wireless off you can take the day job quality without have to spend the time on it.
You just make your money by selling the data you collect.
the quality is electronic witness data trails pg 48

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>>43678589
>Cyberpunk is the deddest of ded genres
Only because we're living it.

>>43678737
>Selling the data you collect
>On Shadowruns
>Where you're commiting crimes

You're gonna get shanked by your teammates.

>>43678760
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>No we're not you nerd

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>>43678613
Was meant to go to >>43678589.

Go figure.

>>43678762
well I can't recommend also being a sinner while doing this. Then again if you take day job at max level you won't have much room for the sinner quality haha.

>>43665804
is there any room in your gaming group? i cant seem to find anyone who plays, and all the competition for a spot on a shadowrun group on roll20 is insane

>>43667351
boston lockdown?

>>43668722
"Never make a deal with a Dragon" is a steadfast rule for a reason anon.

>>43678994
No, that would be bad; you don't want to throw new players and GMs into a system where they have to play with a specialized subset of rules (CFD transmission and infection), especially not one where there's the constant spectre of instant death hanging around them at all times.

Besides, it's just not a great bit of SR. It's all in one city, with limited supplies, spending a lot of your time dealing with zombies and various factions instead of actually getting your runs in, and no (canon) way to get out. I can see why some groups might like it, but it's a bad thing to use to introduce people to the Sixth World in general.

>>43679601
Should say 'inevitable death', not instant. Odds are good that any party in Boston is going to have at least a few people go down to CFD, and that's not the right foot to start off on.

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How bad do things in the Barrens have to get before someone steps up and tries to stop it?

For example, a huge gang fight of a couple hundred people, scattered over a square klick; enough to get Knight Errant to step in and at least take stock of who's doing the shooting? What if they're using lots of heavy weapons, RPGs and armoured cars and even air support? At what point do they decide that the threat out there is too great, and that they need to be proactive before it threatens the taxpayers?

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So this guy offers you a job.

What will you do?

>>43679740
Do it.
Then get put in the freezer.

>>43679740
Step off the train and get bulldozed by plot.

Same thing what happened in Dragonfall, I guess

>>43679740
>So this guy offers you a job.

You do realize when G-Man says it, you don't really have a choice right?

Its either say 'yes' or walk out and suddenly meet a gruesome end.

>>43679740
Do the job.

Then as repayment, I want him to deliver a message to his... 'employers'

Give me Half-Life fucking Three already GabeN

>>43679740
Do the fucking job.
Do it fucking well.
Come hell or high water, you DO NOT FAIL.

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>>43679811
no

>>43679683
I handle it as in it effects the populace in some way. Huge-ass explosions heard throughout? Yeah they're sent.

Word spreads of some big shady antics? Sent.

Barrens starts dipping its hands in others' business more than usual? Sent.

>>43679740
I am of the opinion that the only reason Gordon Freeman, a normal scientist with an HEV suit was capable of saving and liberating an entire planet was because he was save-scumming using the G-man's powers to affect time and space.

>>43679683
>Taxpayers in the barrens
Too few of these there, SINless or bust.

Assume it's a PR problem instead. If shadowrunners sometimes field a rocket launcher it's usually no surprise because, in the public's eye, they're terrorists, and terrorists have ~mysterious connections abroad~ or whatever that provide. The barrens are seen as a place of crime and gang warfare so a shooting a week might be noteworthy but most people won't care, so KE doesn't give a fuck. Now, if big weapons or specialized equipment feature often in frequent shootings in the barrens, terrorism gets linked to gang warfare (regardless of gang involvement, the public doesn't pay attention to that), which implies an impending crimewave outside of the Barrens themselves, which makes KE look incompetent, or unsuitable for the task. Assume that, before it becomes a PR issue for them, they'll at least check it out so it doesn't become a problem. I don't mean a full-on investigation but if the players are involved, they'll feel it, and might cross paths with KE sooner rather than later.

>>43679860
What happens when they're sent? Do they just start breaking heads until things are quiet, or do they actually address the root problems?

>>43679900
By taxpayer I meant the honest citizens of Seattle and affiliated extraterritorial spaces.

>>43679901
Depends. If it's the big explosions and citizens are feeling scared kind, they throw lots of armed people at it to ensure things look secure.

If it's the big shady antics, professionals try and nip the root. As >>43679900 stated, they mostly only care because of PR, so by shady antics I mean planned terrorist attacks and stuff like that.

>>43679740
Lets toss in a new runner's creed:

Never make a deal with eldritch horrors from beyond time & space.

>>43679740
Speaking of...

How would you guys stat the HEV suit and the Gravity Gun?

Are there any homeruled to make metahumans more viable?

>>43680038
Sum-to-ten for metas, Rriority for humans. If you're playing Karmagen, well, there's your problem.

>>43680038
Karmagen variant where you add the metatype bonuses after was a common enough houserule in 4th (with BP = karma or karma x2).

It doesn't help that there's basically no rhyme or reason to the way they did racial baseline stats.

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Is there any way to mount a heavy weapon on a Doberman drone?

The formula for weapon mounts is (BOD/3 round down), with 1 needed for a standard weapon and 2 for a heavy weapon, and the Dobie has BOD 4, but the MCT roto-drone has an effective BOD of 7 for weapon mounts, and it seems like bullshit that a flying drone could mount a heavy gun but a man-sized ground platform cannot.

I don't know if there's some rule hidden somewhere about increasing the BOD of a drone or getting around this rule somehow, or if I have to wait for Rigger 5 to (hopefully) fix it.

>>43680340
Common sense trumps rules. The weapon mount rules are terrible enough as is.

If you absolutely must use some kind of RAW, use Rigger 3.

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>>43650874

Monobe, the blue balls corp.

>> Tried to get a seat since 59 after Dunkie granted them a pile of money.
>> Finally got a chance when Fuchi was dropped. Nope.
>> Miraculously got a second chance when Cross was dropped. Horizon, the fucking newbies half their size, take the spot.
>> Merging Japanese investment giant and every other Japanese AA into one bigass mega, all under their umbrella with no dissent, because they are that rich and powerful.
>> Still probably going to lose their spot to OmniStar or some shit.

I think Dunkie granted them that money pile just to watch them try and fail to achieve AAA status for the rest of their existence.

>>43681202
I feel like 5e is heading towards a corporate court shakeup. There's been clues as far back as 4e, but now with the megacorporate audit I think it might be happening soon. Monobe might get themselves an AAA spot. Pretty much all the AAA megas below spot 6 are probably at risk.

Though the only one of those I'd really hate to see go would be Ares.

>>43681202
>tfw I actually planned to use Monobe trying to not have it publicly known that they own only a fraction of their claimed worth as an overarching high level plot thing.

>>43680340
If you want to go for realism I would say that a robot like that can only mount small caliber weapons (up to 7.62mm) and recoiless weapons (like rockets and AT-4s).

Source: I work with TALON robots daily.

>>43681340
Doesn't the SWORD model have an M82 mount (roughly equivalent to the Barrett 122) as one of the models it comes in?

>>43681259

Aye. You've got OmniStar, which everyone has strong feelings about; the Pacific Group (my headcanon name for the Telestrian-headed merger; Spinrad trying to stay relevant; the North Sea Alliance, with Federated-Boeing thrown in cause why not; an Energy Corp merging with a movie corp and a free spirit's construction corp; fucking Monobe with a capital M; and the new Umbrella corp.

The world just got a whole lot more rough and tumble, and if they weren't already, the stakes of corporate battles are always going to be high.

>>43681516
I've got an ongoing plan for a campaign where the high tier corporate shenanigans will probably involve Monobe threatening to fuck off if the empire doesn't back their candidacy, Japan desperately trying to get an expansion of the CC to 15 seats to make sure it works, and a bunch of PPG and allied AAs going on an acquisition spree targeting some of the more fragile Japanacorps assets

>>43681284

It's perfect. In a world where everyone assumes the megas are loaded, no-one would blink that they said they owned a ton of assets. Until they get audited.

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>>43681516
I actually like the Pacific Group as someone who is presently running Ghost Cartels. KondOrchid being alive is interesting, as is the fact that in Hard Targets they have Chulsoon Gray-Wolf show up again and mention the Komun'go being back and ready to move Tempo again

I honestly felt like they did the best they could in 4e to forget that plot thread after the guy behind it left with the writer walkout following the embezzling. But I've seen them mention it obliquely and directly a few times in 5e which makes me wonder if they might pick it back up again for a follow up campaign book or series of missions or something. Or just something going on in the world?

Probably a generic and/or dumb question, but if you're looking for proper mercenaries- not 'runners, but a formalized private army- that aren't bound to a triple-A corp, where are you gonna look? From what I see about the Azanian Confederation, the stereotypical "South African merc" may be out the door by 2075.

Lone Star is not a private army, please don't say it is. It's a police force.

>>43682012
There's always Hard Corp.

>>43682012
Macao is run by a PMC AA.

>>43682155
That's Combat, Inc., right?

I need to find a copy of 10 Mercs, apparently. Don't see it in the mediafire archive, which is a shame.

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did i do it wrong?

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>>43682260
>9 agility out of chargen
>Defaulting to the kind of score a lot of people would call good for an invested-in skill for EVERY COMBAT SKILL

I'm not qualified to judge if you did it wrong, but I'm proud anyway.

>>43682260
I don't like it.
Doesn't mean you did anything "wrong", I just don't like it.

>>43682364
pray tell, what don't you like about it?

>>43682414
I have a thing against people spending all their points in a single combat skill.

I also dislike some of your negative quality choices, I feel as a GM you're forcing me to bring irrelevant or at best irritatingly pointless stuff into the game, or otherwise giving you free points.

That's pretty much it though.
That being said, those are things that REALLY piss me off.

>>43682414
For one you took Weak Immune System which is literally free points in a game that still doesn't have disease rules.

>>43682414
Restricted Gear, Prototype Transhuman, Allergy (Pollen), Implant AIDS, skills points allocated exclusively to the things that you do 'well'.

Is this character for munchkin bingo or something? It's not a bad character, it's just incredibly one-dimensional.

>>43682507
Weak Immune System? Haha, have fun getting the wasting plague! I surely hope his GM does that just out of spite.

>>43682507
>>43682550

i figured it would fit for fluff reasons, all that cyber is going to fuck with his body somehow.

What other negative traits would you recommend? antipathy? cyberpsychosis?

>>43682746
As long as you're actively supporting and helping the GM make your Negatives relevant to play, they're not bad qualities to take. Just remember that they are largely fluff and, on paper at least, look munchkiny as the other anon pointed out. Even if you're willinng to take the hit, the GM might just not have the energy or time to deal with it and you have to accommodate.

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>>43682746
When in doubt, listen to Cyber-Smiley

>>43682746
>all that cyber is going to fuck with his body somehow.

That's already represented by you losing essence.

>cyberpsychosis?

God do I hate this bullshit in cyberpunk fiction. Jimmy got a robot arm because he was in a bad car accident. He can do all the things he could before the accident, but now he might go crazy, because reasons.

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>>43682260
So you've made a shooter that is useless during the planning phase of the game. Unless we're going hot you have next to no value, except maybe stealth which you have no ability to bypass locks or any meaningful B&E gear.

You're 6'4, you ride a dirt bike, and if you go anywhere near off road you're going to suffer massive allergies. With your terrible immune system you're going to likely cough, sneeze and shit yourself so hard you're virtually guaranteed to wipe out. This will result in your death as you don't own a motorcycle helmet nor a Doc Wagon contract.

Pic related, except he is going to be in better shape than your guy.

>>43682860
There's more justification behind it than "It just is" for cyberpsychosis. It's always due to an excess of ware. And you must remember, true cyberpunk fiction (AKA the stuff back in the 80s and 90s) had a lot of stuff involving mental states and the effects of cyberware on such.

Stop being a transhumanist faggot and accept it, it works well enough and can be justified well enough.

>>43682860
Cyberpsychosis tends to be about much deeper levels of essence loss. If the arm is what drives Jimmy off the edge, he was already suffering a lot mentally from other heavy augments.

>>43682860
>implying an identical replacement is the same as the stuff on that list
All the bioware on that sheet had side effects in previous games.

>>43682882

top kek

thank you

>>43682892
>Stop being a transhumanist faggot

Stop being a fudd, mankind has embraced all it's other inventions, it will do the same with cybernetics. My glasses don't make me crazy, all those war veterans aren't being driven insane by their prostheses, we are not the meat that makes up our physical bodies. We are more than the sum of our parts.

>>43682988
Your examples are all bad.

>>43682414
You can safely drop prototype transhuman for biocompatability (cyberware).

>>43682988
None of those prosthetic have DNI.

Though honestly I'm with you, just hoping for that cyborg future before I die.

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>>43682988
Yes, but that's not to say turning yourself in to a walking weapon is exactly going to do great for your psyche. And there's a big difference grafting metal to yourself and wearing glasses.

Also, it's supposed to show the effects of futureshock, nerdo. Cmon, read a book (Specifically futureshock.) Or watch episode 2 or 3 of ADPolice files, those show how cyberpsychosis works great.

I'm not against cyberware (Hell, I want some superchromed limbs, that'd be cryo) but I can see how it could have psychological impacts on people.

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>transhumanism arguments AGAIN
I'm just gonna say I love huge titties and if you're a little less of a human for getting them I won't judge you.

>>43683064
>Yes, but that's not to say turning yourself in to a walking weapon is exactly going to do great for your psyche.

Nonsense, as it stands now there are people that are afraid to leave their homes without some sort of weapon on them. Imagine how much less nervous they will be knowing that they will always have a weapon to defend themselves within arms reach, because said weapon will be built into their arm(s).

Hey guys, what's going on in this thread

>cyberpsychosis and Trans humanism

Fuck.

>>43683209
At least it didn't START the thread like this.

>>43683186
>implying giant titties make you less human

That's filthy hippie talk, or to use the name they like to call themselves nowadays, that's filthy shaman talk.

>>43683225
You're begging for trouble, omae. Real hippies were just high and obnoxious, they couldn't call on spirits.

>>43683204
Imagine how much more paranoid people would be when anyone could have a weapon in their arm. But whatever, apparently people are getting salty at this discussion.

>>43683186
>Metahuman scum
>Ugly haircut
>Breasts larger than B
>Smoking
0/10 what absolute trash

So rather than figure out the stats for every goddamn contact that every character has we've started just using the Connection stat for just about everything.

So for example you want to acquire a piece of gear from your fixer you'd roll Connection x3 rather than Cha + Negotiate + Connection. If you have a specialized contact (Arms dealer for example) and you wanted to acquire something in their purview (a gun for example) you'd roll Connection x4. And if you were trying to acquire something out of their specialty (a cyber arm from said arms dealer) you'd only roll Connection x2.

This has sped things up greatly for us.

>>43683296
>Imagine how much more polite people would be when anyone could have a weapon in their arm.

Fixed.

>>43683289
Fucking bring it you drunks, white man's got magic too now. We'll show you what magical warfare really looks like.

>>43683186
This is only true of the robotits listed under cyberware options.

>>43683387
If by "polite" you mean "paranoid and overreacting to any slight potentially threatening movement", then yes.

Do note that while I'm not exactly for it, I'm not against letting the problem solve itself either.

>>43683517
Have you ever been to a place where everyone is armed? The people there tend to be pretty chill and as I've stated, polite. Because when anyone could kill anyone else with ease, everyone starts thinking, well shit, guess I'd better behave myself, and try getting what I want with diplomacy and manners and shit, because I can't just take what I want. You see, weapons are good, because they force someone to deal with you, to listen to you, instead of just doing whatever they want because you can't stop them.

>>43683615
Clearly you've never lived near a dive bar.

>>43683615
>Have you ever been to a place where everyone is armed?
Yes and it was anything but given that shit ended up with a drunken asshole shooting the floor. Culture is meaningful in that.

There's also no actual correlation between gun control and lower or higher violent crime.

>>43681824

They mention in Hard Targets that KondOrchid won't be an option for transportation, and that plantations owned by Brackhaven Investments are the ones Chulsoon was visiting.

Make of that what you will.

>>43683631
>>43683633

I meant legally and responsibly armed. Anyone that shoots a hole in a floor is obviously not being responsible with his or her weapons.

>>43683815
Well in this perfect world of everyone following the rules and acting responsible why would we need guns?

>>43683740
Well what is KondOrchid without the transport, given that their entire mega status was based around being a transpacific shipping conglomerate?

Chulsoon and the BI thing is intriguing though given the way GC shakes out if the party actually succeeds on their final run.

>>43683839
They don't. I have no problem with limited gun control, but implying that people are somehow more on edge and less polite in social circumstances because they're unarmed is so retarded even /k/ommandos would see how bad it is.

>>43682260
Restricted Gear only applies to one item, so you have to either do something about the ballistic mask or get rid of the gland that I assume you took it for.

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>>43682910
My street sammy had 0.4 essence and was starting to go crazy, but that was less due to cyberpsychosis and more due to PTSD and her lingering feelings of being abandoned by the government. She was ex-military and was rebuilt with cheap chrome after being shredded by an RPG attack, only to be declared mentally unfit for duty and discharged unceremoniously. She couldn't find a legitimate job in peacetime, so she turned to shadowrunning because at least she can put her training to use. She felt like she'd been chewed up and spit out by a system that exploited her.

It seems to make far more sense than "cyborg parts make you go cray-cray".

>>43678762

>Not having a high-loyalty data monger on your contact list to scrub your simrig data
>Not becoming the greatest simstar the shadows have ever seen

Karl Kombatmage: TNG

>>43684923
You can make cybepsychosis make more sense with generic excuses like immune response and whatnot, but cyberpunk fans seem to insist on making it some sort of mysterious technomagic with no justification beyond "that's just how it is".

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>>43676299

Not if it's Omegaware!

>>43685378
Some things about Omegaware feel like they should be applicable to all grades of chrome. Like their example of a cyberarm that would refuse to pull a trigger on Ares employees.

>>43685454
RoboCop pls go...

>>43685454
>Some things about Omegaware feel like they should be applicable to all grades of chrome
First Corp to do that loses all their business to any competitor who doesn't.

>>43685791
Not if it means cheap(er) metal with additional features that wouldn't inconvenience any responsible user. I mean, you don't actually WANT to murder members of your favorite corporation, do you? Because if you do, you probably shouldn't sign that contract that says you accept.

Things like speed limiters in cars and invasive ads and datamining in software are accepted in real life, after all.

>>43685843
Oh, you meant as an option?
Sure, I guess.

>>43685852
Yeah, Omegaware stuff is as cheap as used cyberware with no additional essence loss, but with highly inconveniencing features like giving you cyberpsychosis. It just feels like something that could be expanded on.

>>43685870
And even after all that mundies are still shit on in 5e

>>43685018
Really? You're part of a movement that believes it's of utmost importance to record EVERYTHING because it might be significant to someone later on, and you're going to just scrub random bits out of it?

New thread.

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