>This is the true you >Everything else is just a mecha

>>43586313

I look so fat in that light

>>43586313
can i have a new one then?

>>43586313
A human is simply a nerve octopus piloting a fleshy mech.

>>43586313
My mech is breaking down, who do I contact for repairs and refurbishing?

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>>43586354
>A human is simply a nerve octopus piloting a fleshy mech.
THE TENTACLES!!!

>>43586313
>Implying the nervous system on its own would be recognizably the same without the hormone input from the fleshy bits

Lrn2physiology

>>43586313
uh, anon, that mecha controls a large portion of my automated thought systems.

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>>43586364

>>43586313

eh, I'd say i'm even less.

The high level processes (i.e. where do I go today) are what I am, if you kill those I am dead.

.... I haven't been convinced that you can transplant those processes out of the hardware, given that it's not a primary feature, and that we have already hacked out writting to preserve people's thoughts for others.

Given you require the rest of the meat to operate, and even then functions are part of dozens of interrelated social assemblages that push and pull with your various meat desires, there isn't a true you. Shit's a product.

>>43586617
I always felt that the self exists in abstraction and that if we could replace or build onto the existing parts of the brain the self would endure even after the old brain was gone. Of course it's totally impossible, with current science, to even begin to build onto the brain with that level of mastery. Unfortunately the flesh is weak and we will be betrayed by our rotting hardware.

>>43586647

if you change the meat, the things that operate via the meat will necessarily be different. It wouldn't magically transpose your soul into a machine. There can probably be reasonable facsimiles, but its not immortality.

>>43586677
>>43586647
>>43586617
this entire argument is inevitably solved with "hey let's just replace the brain cells in our heads as they die via either synthetic or organic replacements"

nothing a few regenerative micromachines can't solve.

While the human consciousness is a product of many processes working together, what people often forget is that for every deviation (When compared to another human) and every memory there are physiological differences in the brain.

While the precise mechanism eludes us. We know the shape of neurons differs depending on experiences and thoughts in our life.

Blessed be the existence of one-egged twins and their contributions to science.

>>43586686
with that line of thinking you end up with Theseus' paradox, which will end up with a philosophical circle jerk. Lets not

>>43586313
This is some elementary school level philosophy, AND elementary school level understanding of physiology.

>>43586728
Theseus' paradox is the solution to brain problems, as the answer to theseus paradox is always "who cares, we still have our boat".

or in this case, "who cares, brain cells die and are replaced all the fucking time"

>>43586728

Only if you're basing identity off a static concept rather than a process. If being is becoming you're fine.

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>People actually believe this garbage
>Not understanding through the entire body brings different moods, emotions, and personalities
>The go getting attitude of males full of sex hormones isn't the 'true you', even though it makes up a huge part of your life and experiences
>The frailty of old people and the general slowness that they take things, and the care they do for things, does not at all factor into personality even though they are the most reactionary members of society.
>Not understanding that the mind-body schism is an illusion that borders on pseudo-science

>>43586747
the mind-body schism is real.
I know because I happen to be a killer cyborg.

>>43586742
The static concept of "you" is still a process.

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>>43586313

>flesh
>mech

>>43586313
This image makes me nervous

>>43586313
What does this have to do with traditional games?
>>>/trash/

negatory. Some of those parts map physical real estate that changes with limb loss, some of those parts do nothing without constant communication with mechanoreceptors in the skin.
Brain/Computer analogies are profoundly limited and this is one way, but I'd recommend looking into why that common analogy is incomplete for more detail on why thinking of the body or indeed the brain this way is known as the Homonculus fallacy

>>43586313
>Car broke phone yes?

>>43586313
I was there with my girlfriend a month ago.

It was pretty fun. I know people who would literally murder people to get into that museum, and I got in for free.

>>43588189
>I know people who would literally murder people to get into that museum

No, you don't.

I am skellingtown jelly?

>>43588189
Really? Like I went there when I was like 6, it was at OMSI, can't be that inaccessible?

>>43588201
I used the word 'literally' as its new definition.

>lit·er·al·ly
>adverb
>>Figuratively (informal usage)

>>43588213
It's pretty inaccessible when you live across the entire country and you're poor as shit.

>>43588219
That definition is actually over a hundred years old.

Its been going under the basic process that intensifiers go through in language.

http://blog.dictionary.com/literally/

Language snobs and people who have a simplistic understanding of language fight against it.

>>43586647
But Anon, they have done brain transplants

>>43586832
but anon, bio-mechs are the second coolest things ever

>>43588261

What?

>>43588261
What? Really? Who survived, the patient or the donor?

>>43588284
What is the coolest thing evar?

>>43588255

>Charles Dickens (pictured) wrote Nicholas Nickleby, the figurative sense (the sense that the reading public is up in arms about today) was embedded in the language: “his looks were very haggard, and his limbs and body literally worn to the bone…”

well, I'm not wearing my limbs and body on anything else...

>>43588255
The funny thing is "literally" makes me think about "literature" which is the prime medium of things figurative.

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>>43586313
At last Andross, you show your true form.

>>43588412
If you read the post in the link, that is the literal first definition of the word from 1689. It meant "related to letters".

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>>43588397
3-headed monkeys, of course.

>>43586686
Did you not watch Gamer?

Who would design these new cells?

[Spoiler] Would you trust them? [/spoiler]

>>43588497
ctrl+s faggot

>>43588497
given the scale and complexity of these tiny machines, or widescale treatment, any additional subterfuge features would exponentially increase the cost of the end treatment.

>>43588290
>>43588379
Who said they survived?

>>43588503
On ma phone matey

>>43588533
Selective Mind Control?
Having full body/mind control over the right people would arguably be worth the extra financial investment.

>>43588624
oh, it would also require significantly changed cellular architecture which would require a higher level of refinement and research than the base regeneration.

Like, regeneration and replacement are miles apart from practical enhancement and features.

>>43588641
Fair point.
I'm neither biologically savvy, nor technologically so.
Interesting stuff however.
Would slowed degradation of brain cells, rather than full regeneration be a more 'realistic' option for longevity?

>>43586736
you mean like the rest of the thread?

>>43588665
maybe. it really depends on which direction you're going at the issue from.
There's, like, a lot.

>>43588680
How about super cool robot bodies with an organic brain instead?

>>43588706
they're cool, but don't really get around the problems of the brain sort of self destructing over time. Though it does eliminate bodily illness.
I can't really talk too in depth about it without talking blatantly out of my ass, but most human bits sort of are built to fall apart after their warrantee wears out, brain included.

>>43586728
Anon, all the atoms in your body are replaced at least once every year. You are literally an entirely new person once a year; nobody notices the change because it's so gradual.

Same deal with the mind; it's not a continuous entity, it's a bunch of little snapshots like a video. The difference between a normal mind and one suffering from trauma (or resurrection) is how different those snapshots are.

>>43589218
Goddamnit, everytime I see this pic I laugh.

>>43589278
>>43589218
I can't help but feel it is the conclusion to an argument I didn't get to hear.
However, the about fighting or dying like a dog is fucking great.

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>>43586313
Some nerve you got there to steal the spotlight from the real (anti-)hero.

>>43586313
>>This is the true you
>>Everything else is just a mecha that you pilot

How my Jovian rationalized putting more cyberwear in his body than most pod people have.

>>43588379
The doctor

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>>43586747
You're absolutely right.

>>43586488

Daemonette do you ever post anything that isn't vaguely lewd.

Because the "I'm a slut~" act got stale seven months ago.

>>43586739
>Theseus' paradox is the solution to brain problems

Clarification: Theseus' Paradox is the solution to the question "if I uploaded my mind to a digital form, wouldn't that be me but not 'me?' It would just be a copy?"

A great game that touches on this is Soma, surprisingly.

>>43589558
that's an entirely different and unnecessary problem if you just go with replacement upon damage, yo.

>>43586747
>implying the mind = the brain
Is water the same as its vessel?

>>43589558

That metaphor only worms for gradually replacing cells over time. A digital upload would be more akin to "We built a boat in a physics simulator with the same parameters as the original boat and gave it the same name."

>>43589581
fuck off hippie

>>43589592
Not necessarily so; what if you built a synthetic brain, and linked it to an organic brain through some sort of interface; After the mind begins to utilize/fill the synthetic brain (either through concerted effort, training, or drugs), begin removing/cutting off the organic brain.

>>43589540
I for one still greatly appreciate the vaguely lewd materials that follow in ND's wake.

>>43589608
>hippie
You take that back you pagan shit.

>implying the mind isn't an emergent process, formed from the initial state set by the brain and the hormones that influence the brain
>thinking that just because the brain, and therefor the mind, is influence by hormones means there isn't a mind-body duality
>not being man enough to overcome your own flesh

>>43589581
It is if that vessel is ice.

>>43586313
This is stupid as fuck. If the nervous system didn't need an outside means to get oxygen for not dying, then it wouldn't be so retarded, too bad it does.

>>43589653
Is a fetus distinct from its mother?

>>43589646

>believing in mind-body dualism

What, do you also believe in souls and ghosts and shit?

>>43589617
you just gave me the keys to my immortality

>>43589617
that's wasteful and dumb.

>>43589678
Why? The organic brain is transient and limited, a designed synthetic brain need not be so.

>>43589669
>What, do you also believe in souls and ghosts and shit?
How the fuck does this follow from mind-body dualism?

The mind is an emergent entity arising from physical processes, and is capable of affecting those processes as they affect it, but they are distinct. The mind need not be ephemeral.

>>43589692
There's no need to scoop out the organic brain and plop in synthetics unless you've got a snuff fetish.

Let that shit get replaced as it is damaged, like a healthy and young brain does.
Eventually it'll be as synthetic as you like, while having as much change over time as a normal biological brain goes through.

Even if you are going for the full brainal augmentation route, leave the organic brain in there and add a secondary brain elsewhere.

>>43589669
As if the morphogenetic field theory wouldn't answer a lot of questions.

>>43589540
ND also discusses various things without the lewdness.

Whenever something he actually cares about (Like the Nasuverse) comes up in conversation, suddenly he's super-serious, only responds to one person at a time, and will correct people on every single mistake they make, without participating in any of the waifuism or lewd conversations.

It's almost surreal when you actually see it.

>>43589734
>There's no need to scoop out the organic brain
Where did I say that?

>leave the organic brain in there
Why?

>>43589766
So ND is autistic. Somehow that isn't very surprising

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>>43589788
>So ND is autistic. Somehow that isn't very surprising
Well yeah, why do you think I play up the lewd angle so damn hard?

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>>43589870
>Lewd Flump
ND, why.

>>43589740

The thing from the Animal Man comics?

>>43589581
No but it is constrained by its vessel and therefor formed and limited by it

>>43589923
Ah, but what if you put poured it out into a new vessel? What if the vessel itself could be modified by that which fills it?

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>>43589888
Oh dearest new Anon, Lewd Flumps were a thing when I first came here...

>>43589955
I'm going to go ahead and stop now because I can and have gone on about this for hours
I subscribe to the non reductive school of thought, for what it's worth

>>43589996
Good idea.
Reductivist here, although I am by no means a philosopher of the mind

>>43589730
what you described isn't dualism, but a branch of physicalism known as supervenience theory

>>43589730
also you were probably going for ethereal

>>43590028
>>43590059

Oh
I should probably make sure I'm using the right terms, rather than what I feel is the right term.

>>43589540
>months
Where do you think you are.jpg
ND has been around for years mang.

>>43589540
It's kind of funny, considering ND admitted to being a dude ages ago. How sex-starved can he be?

>>43590071
Technically you can stretch supervenience and its alterations to the levels of implied duality especially when you start considering external groups. When you start getting into the technical definitions of mind philosophy you start reaching clusterfuck zone since people like to label every tiny variation in thought.

How is this related to traditional games?

>>43590144
it would be a controversial claim that supervenience implies anything other than property dualism; I've only ever seen it expressed as a strictly physicalist view of the world.

Wasn't there a description of undead made from every part of the human body in the thread the last time this was posted? I feel like it was screencapped. Since the archive is dead, does anyone have it?

>>43590167
How doesn't it?

>>43588219
Yeah, "new" if you mean "first documented almost 1000 years ago," you stupid cunt.

>>43590204
impressive, a word with modern english usage documented before modern english existed

>>43590182
You are correct, but I meant to refer to personal rationalization rather than the school of though itself.

>>43590243
sure, I guess it can be used to allow you to think of 'mental stuff' and 'physical stuff' in a heuristic similar to that a cartesian dualist might

>>43590142
Desperate enough to want attention from the likes of us.

>>43590167
>implying life isn't the most traditional of games
Jesus Christ pull yourself together man

>>43587315
>/tg/
>being on topic

>>43588255
>Language snobs and people who have a simplistic understanding of language fight against it.

Or people who realize we have no other word that does the job the (formal) definition of Literally does, so if we have it mean the opposite, we lose the ability to communicate that meaning effectively.

Words change meanings. That's cool. What isn't cool is losing the ability to communicate an idea because of those changes.

I've never heard / seen someone use literally as figuratively until 4chin desu

>>43590666
Teenage girls in southern california.

>>43590666
That might be because you live in hell and haven't been paying enough attention to the material plane.

>>43590354
>Desperate enough to want attention from the likes of us.
True, but that's because I've got no one to hang out with...

>>43590142
If ND is mildly attractive and even half as lewd in real life as he is on 4chan, I'd probably be willing to put him in girl's clothes and bend my definition of heterosexual for a night or two.

Of course, he lives in the middle of bumfuck nowhere, so the point's mostly moot.

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>>43590787

>>43590787
>If ND is mildly attractive
Good ne-
>and even half as lewd in real life as he is on 4chan
-Oh, never mind...

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>>43590787
Is this you?

>>43590852
I've seen this pic so many times, and I still wonder if that shit was real.

>>43590852
>Japanese but white skin
>NEET boy but thin and feminine (and it says this is after -gaining- weight)
>Figurine collection allegedly in that tiny space where all the walls are bare

My dreams have been shattered now that I looked at the picture for more than two seconds. Everything is lies.

>>43590822
You might have some problems if you're repressing your sexual desires and only venting on 4chan.

>>43586677
>magically transpose your soul
No scientific basis either way.
The "soul", if it exists, is not a quantifiable thing. There is no evidence that, given hardware of sufficient capacity, true uploading is impossible. It's just the transfer of data.

>>43590852
>Is this you?
A feminized ND would make a nice Under-the-bed addition to my room...

I'll have to look into the cost of having my bed propped up a bit to add some living space underneath it.

>>43590902
>You might have some problems if you're repressing your sexual desires and only venting on 4chan.
I'm not repressing them, I just don't express them very vividly off the Internet.
It's all well and good to go flaunting what get's your jeebies off on a Mongolian horn etching board but, as my father has proven by example, such behavior becomes cringe worthy in person.

>>43590971
idk man, when two people are horny and one of them proposes being tied up it sets off all sorts of hormones
just all about the time and place

>>43590971
>ND's father is a smutlord
It all makes sense now.

>>43590992
>just all about the time and place
But that's just it!
If my interweb journeys have taught me anything, it's that sexual desires are like Religion and Politics; You shouldn't really discuss them in polite conversation because people have very ingrained beliefs on those matters, and it always devolves into a heated argument.

>>43590971
Did your dad touched your inappropriately? Did he made you touch him?

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>>43590822
Just a reminder, ND does daemonicaly visit some anons

>>43591045
This is why BDSM dating sites are the best
>meet someone
>talk about sex casually and the dos and don'ts of each person
>don't need to beat around the bush or test the waters to see if they're open to talking about fucking
>don't actually even need to be into bdsm half the time because most of the chicks just want to try being tied up

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>>43591027
ND confirmed for best Shimoneta

>>43591091
>Did your dad touched your inappropriately?
Not on purpose at least, but he did once hop into my bed when I was suppose to be sleeping...

>>43591110
You mean you woke up that one time?
>ND is shitposting because he's working over childhood trauma.

>>43586313
Can something really be called a being, having the quality of "you-ness" or identity, when it cannot survive as an independent being?

Saying that your nervous system is the "true you" is as ridiculous as saying that your circulatory system is the "true you"

>>43591155
>Can something really be called a being, having the quality of "you-ness" or identity, when it cannot survive as an independent being?
Then "you" doesn't exist because your whole body cannot survive by itself neither.

>>43591181
Of course it can. If you mean food and air, it's capable of obtaining those things on its own. Your nervous system isn't.

>>43591215
Not on it's own. They need to be there in the first place, body can't just conjure them into existence. Same way as nervous system needs organs circulatory system to bring it all those goodies it needs to survive.

>>43591129
>You mean you woke up that one time?
No no, this is an example of what I call "Dad Logic," where you can actually work out what his thought process was behind his idiocy, but it's still something that makes you go "God damn, how did you not realize how inappropriate this is?"

At the time, I had two beds made up in my room.
Being a child though, I of course used the Spare as a play-space, thus it was covered with my scattered junk.
I don't remember what happened, but it was something that forced Dad to seek out another place to sleep...
Naturally, he figured he could use the spare bed in my room, only to find it was covered in my toys...
So, it "Dad Logic" fashion, he decided he could just bunk with me in my bed instead, which immediately had the probably intended effect of me NOPE!ing out of my bed and cleaning off the spare to sleep in it.

>>43591308
This is ruining the illusion of what I want ND to be. You guys are ruining the character.

You're just like those people that spend hours debating how a lightsaber works because you demand to know.

>>43591308
That's called age and experience. He used the fact that he was bigger and more stubborn to get the smaller and weaker one to go find the less optimal shelter. In effect you got alpha dogged by your dad.

>>43591357
Dude. We don't need to debate it shit because we all know what ND is. A sad little man who likes to pretend to be a girl on the internet to get someone to pay any sort of attention to him. He doesn't need someone to validate this bullshit, he needs psychiatric help.

>>43586313
Get in the fucking skeleton Shinji.

>>43591357
>This is ruining the illusion of what I want ND to be. You guys are ruining the character.
Sorry...

>>43591365
>That's called age and experience. He used the fact that he was bigger and more stubborn to get the smaller and weaker one to go find the less optimal shelter. In effect you got alpha dogged by your dad.
Yeah, but realize this is the same "Logic" that had him thinking threatening to cut my penis off with a meat cleaver was a GOOD idea because he heard I had it out when the School Bus rolled up...

...While he failed to realize I learned to piss in the yard when your short on time FROM WATCHING HIM! (And he still does it to THIS DAY!)

>>43591357
There's multiple NDs. Just make this one not canon in your head.

>>43591357
You don't want a hurt and fragile ND who needs to find comfort in the arms and dick of a loving anon willing to accept him?

Why are you so fucking basic?

>>43591644
>threatening to cut my penis off with a meat cleaver
He got into your bed AND wanted to cut off your cock? Are you sure he didn't want to make you his loli sex-slave?

>>43591754
>Are you sure he didn't want to make you his loli sex-slave?
Pretty sure, he's too soft for that kind of thing.

>>43591731
What? Hell no! ND belongs chained to the floor in some basement with a giant buttplug up his ass and urinal over his head. No love and acceptance here.

>>43591778
>Threatens to castrate his son for a minor mistake
>Constantly pulling his cock out in full view of said son
>Too soft to do that kind of thing.

ND, your dad probably just couldn't find enough chances to slip you female hormones without raising your suspicions.

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>>43591810
Omnomnom urinal cakes!~

>>43591810
>chained to the floor
>Implying ND shouldn't be permanently in a set of stocks and blindfolded, so that his ass and mouth can be freely used

How plebian.

>>43589667
Nope

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>>43591092
ND, c-can you visit me in a dream plase?

>>43586313
Wouldn't it more accurate to call yourself a flesh golem? Unless your more synthetic parts than organic

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>>43586647
The self isn't made out of parts or systems. It simply is. You can't make a person into a robot, or the other way around.

>>43589558
Digital me would be a copy but it would also be me. We would finally have someone to play video games with.

>>43591872
>Wouldn't it more accurate to call yourself a flesh golem?

Only if you're Jewish.

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>>43591825
>ND, your dad probably just couldn't find enough chances to slip you female hormones without raising your suspicions.
Nah, I had a sister only a bit younger and nearly identical when we were little...

>>43591870
>ND, c-can you visit me in a dream plase?
I make no promises...

>>43591918

>>43592751
>Nah, I had a sister only a bit younger and nearly identical when we were little...
>nearly identical when we were little
>had a "sister"
>"sister"

>>43590852
>feminizing a weak minded manlet to become your personal trap fuckdoll
this is the dream

>>43586313
The "True" you is actually pretty boring. Mostly a glutenous pervert that likes to rationalize.

The Complete you is way more fun.

>>43592846
>glutenous
Why thank you anon, I have been working out.

>>43589617
>>43589678
>>43589734
>what if you built a synthetic brain, and linked it to an organic brain through some sort of interface; After the mind begins to utilize/fill the synthetic brain (either through concerted effort, training, or drugs), begin removing/cutting off the organic brain.

This is literally
>Let that shit get replaced as it is damaged, like a healthy and young brain does.
Eventually it'll be as synthetic as you like, while having as much change over time as a normal biological brain goes through.

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>>43591918
I would say you could do that, but as with anything you do that drastically changes your body, it should be slow and actually you arent just changing body, but transitioning your state of self, slowly accepting your new existance.

A guy who wants to be a girl will not simply turn into one just by taking hormones, its a completely different existence, his brain will slowly shift to it, for better or worse. A guy taking steroids slowly change mentality, a junkie too.

We woundt just replace the body to a machine in that point, you would need to "transition" to one, slowly getting pieces and then accepting your new existence as chrome beaulty.

>pic just tangencially related.

>>43591522
Psychiatric help might be a little extreme.

Escapism is a perfectly natural mechanism. It's healthy, despite what certain blonde haired children with pizzacutter swords would have you believe.

>>43589581
I don't know, but that doesn't really have to do with anything we're talking about.

If you suffer brain damage you lose cognitive ability. Hell, if your body is just sort of sick, your personality and behavior changes.

>>43593203
I think the problem is that you need to slowly do the process, so you actually feel and see that you isnt simply replacing a brain for a copy, but, letting the mind adapt to a hibrid bigger brain, then adapt to a new mechanical, smaller one.

>>43594163
ND, go get it, see what they say, I remember you saying a lot of stuff in other threads dear.

I sincerely dont mind you all lewd escapism, when you need to go serious, you go, so eh, seriously, people getting mad on a thread about spooky nervous systems that turned in transumanism.

>>43586832
They are usually called EVAs

>>43594155
If a vessel is cracked, does the water not spill out?

>>43589767
>where did I say that
>After the mind begins to utilize/fill the synthetic brain (either through concerted effort, training, or drugs), begin removing/cutting off the organic brain.

It's fucking retarded

>>43586313
Nah

>>43592802
Also note the past tense.
worry.jpg

>>43598842
Well she's still alive, we're just no longer "nearly identical" since she's short and stacked while I'm tall and lanky.

>>43592105
I've recently found out I am at least 1/16th Jewish. It was jarring.

>>43594992
If your bong is empty, do you start making sense?

>>43586313
The nerve of some people....

>>43599223
Is she nice?
Could I take her out to dinner and discuss porn with her over a candlelight dinner?

>>43600566
Sorry, she's taken...
Not sure whether her hubby counts as a Dwarf or a Hobbit...