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>What is Exalted?
An epic high-flying role-playing game about reborn god-heroes in a world that turned on them.
Start here: http://theonyxpath.com/category/worlds/exalted/

>That sounds cool, how can I get into it?
Read the 3e core book (link below). For mechanics of the old edition, play this tutorial: http://jyenicolson.net/exalted/. It'll get you familiar with most of the mechanics.

>Gosh that was fun. How do I find a group?
Roll20 and the Game Finder General here on /tg/. With the new edition, though, chances are more games will crop up.

Resources for Third Edition
>3E Backer Core https://mega.nz/#!E1dRBBIa!ZbQG4IasYCJRli2bhgE2MOdWeFAeV3N1rqL9kAIGbNE
>Character Sheet & Init tracker: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0ByD2BL6J89Nick41YUk0RUt3YlU
>Online charsheet:
http://howsfamily.net/Exalted
>General Homebrew dumping folder: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0ByD2BL6J89NiQzdCWWFaY0c5Mkk&usp=sharing
>Collection of old 3e Materials, including comics and fiction anthologies https://www.mediafire.com/folder/t2arqtqtyyt28/Exalted_3Leak
>Charm Trees:
>Solar Charms: https://imgur.com/a/q6Vbc
>Martial Arts: https://imgur.com/a/mnQDe
>Evocations: https://imgur.com/a/TYKE4


Resources for 2.5 Edition:
>All books with embedded errata notes, as well as some extras: https://www.mediafire.com/folder/253ulzik1j9s5/Exalted
>Chargen software: http://anathema.github.io/
>Anathema homebrew charm files: https://www.mediafire.com/folder/pka3nz3vqbqda/Anathema_Files
>MA form weapon guide: http://www.brilliantdisaster.net/dif/ExaltedMA.html
>http://www.mediafire.com/view/ua7tanepy2jfkdp/Exalted_2nd_Ed_-_Return_of_the_Scarlet_Empress.pdf

Resources for 1e:
>https://www.mediafire.com/folder/9vp0e9id3by6m/Exalted_1e

Demon edition. How have your players used demons? How have they fought demons? Anyone ever got involved with a 3CD? Anyone ever killed one?
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First for Morke and Holden are liars desu
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We buggered the hell away from Great Forks when we found a 3CD was being summoned there, and half the circle had aggravated damage up to their -4s due to the ST rolling 6 sux off 4 dice for an environmental hazard.
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>>43567985
>buggered the hell away

Yeah that sounds like an average day in Great Forks.
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>>43567909
<3
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>>43567985
Which 3CD? Some of those are definitely worse than others.
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>>43568518

Can't remember the name, but we didn't know which particular one was being summoned when we skedaddled. It was one which caused all social groups caught beneath it to mutate.
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>>43567736
>Use Demons
Absolutely, the Eclipse match maker had a neomah henchwnech who helped with fertility clinic needs.
>Fight Demons
All the time. Blood apes are nasty go to mooks for baddies. Several second circle Demons are villains in their own right. Sondok has a guard duty habit.
>Involved with 3CD
The twilight had a mad boner for Amalion. She was receptive but shy.
>Kill a 3CD
Well, there was this climactic throw down with an Infernal who was trying to become the defining soul of Adjoran, and in the battle they called up another silent wind soul. They didn't kill it so much as put it in a box with it's competition
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>>43567736
>Demon edition. How have your players used demons? How have they fought demons? Anyone ever got involved with a 3CD? Anyone ever killed one?
I had a player who was one of those sorcerers in 2e that always had a retinue of demons. One calibration, he was keeping it pretty tame. The game was set before the disappearance of Big Red, and the players were living in Thorns at the time. (Before their string of Very Bad, Not Good Years).

So in the middle of this Calibration, Thorns kinda goes full shut-in. Most of the dynasts holed up in the palace and all that. One of the players sneaks out to go buy drugs from his dealer. The other players notice his absence, and one of them fucks off to find him, banking on the idea that he was going to try to get his fix. Along the way, they encounter a pack of seven Erymanthoi in the middle of a B&E, and being DBs, they feel like they have to be fucking heroes.

The Sorcerer asshole knows that he and his dope-fiend buddy are out-classed, and he really regretted not having any Erymanthoi of his own that weren't being assigned to other tasks. All he has in his retinue at the moment: A single Neomah.

So he looks at me and says "Neomah can make illusions, right?" I was kinda thrown off by it, double-checked, and sure as fuck, the had a really poorly written illusion power of some sort (wtf?).

He basically ordered the Neomah to create an illusion of the Exalted equivalent of sorority girls having some kind of silly party down the street, hoping that the Erymanthoi would behave like they lived in an 80's slasher film.

I went ahead and kinda ran with his plan, which also involved sneaking around with the Neomah and the Dope Fiend, following the Erymanthoi that were following his demon's illusion to the general direction of the nearest 7th legion outpost.

Calibration folks. Or cocaine. You choose which to blame.
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New edition of Exalted? New edition of Blood and Fire!

>Blood and Fire? What's that?
A rules hack for running Exalted using Cortex Plus Heroic, the same system as Marvel Heroic Roleplaying and Fantasy Heroic Roleplaying.

>Why should I use it?
Because it's loads simpler than the Storyteller system, with a greater narrative emphasis and a flexible power system that lets you create your own character however you want to.

>Are you trying to compete with Storyteller?
No, I'm just providing an alternative for people that like the setting but don't like the system.

>Is the game complete?
Basically. There are still occasional minor revisions happening, but the game is a complete system. You still need the Exalted setting books to understand the world, though.

>If the game was complete, why is there a new edition?
Complete doesn't necessarily mean perfect. Version 2.1 is to clean up the text, add new material, and revise the art.

>I don't understand thing.
Well, I'm in the general most of the time, so if you have a question, you can reply to this post. I'll probably get to it before the thread collapses.
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>>43569489
Can you help do an exalted conversion to FATAL?
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>>43569622
Just play Storyteller and add an "Anal Circumference" Merit. There, you're done.
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>>43567736

Can I use Deamons in Exalted?
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>>43569882
Only if you don't put an 'a' in demon.
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>>43569663
yes but what pointless subsystems can I clutter the game with?

10 pages of ass charms?
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>>43570200

To achieve an orgasm, first you have to gather silver EXP through dirty-talk. Silver EXP lets you make roles to begin foreplay, which gathers Gold EXP, which lets you perform Erotic Maneuvers. Erotic Maneuvers grant White EXP, which can be spent on a roll to achieve orgasm. Achieving Orgasm has a terminus of six; if you can't roll 125 successes, your sexual partner can never orgasm again.
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>>43570255
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>>43570255
hue

more?
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http://howsfamily.net/Exalted/
Anybody having a problem selecting caste?
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>>43571209
Yup, me and a few people in my group have had that as well
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>>43570255
>if you can't roll 125 successes, your sexual partner can never orgasm again.

Oh e3 Craft, you so crazy
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>>43571209
I can get at it using tab selection, but that's still pretty garbage.

Doesn't seem to be possible to caste/favor Craft at all (yes, yes, why would anyone do that?) Supernal also doesn't seem to exist.

One more reason to wait on Anathema and stick to PnP until then.
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>>43571209

That issue should be fixed now.

>>43571509

I can favour it be clicking on the title of the Craft box in edit mode. You should be able to Supernal something by clicking an ability when you've already selected it as a caste ability. This requires having a caste selected.
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Any limitations on demon summoning this edition?
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>>43571991
You have to buy pokeballs to store them in. Each one costs 6 obols.

I'm bullshitting, of course. I didn't notice any particular changes.
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>>43572031
though interestingly enough an occult twilight can have six spirit familiars. (Essence) from his anima power, so effectively max five from that. and one custom job from Ephemeral Induction Technique. so a 'starter' and five captured spirit mons, all of them valid targets for your survival charms...
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What kind of an exalt would/could Medusa be?
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>>43573363
She is a mortal cursed by a god.

Why are you people so insistent on making everything Exalts?
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>>43568518
>Summon Erembour in Great Forks.
>Ask for her sweet 9 success benedictions to dick a local goddess.
>The goddess is literally, metaphysically blown away by the sex, and take days to put her spiritual form together.

I house-ruled that Erembour benediction is non-charm successes, because honestly, if you summoned a 3CD to ask for a dice-adder, you better believe this dice adder is some shit.
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What does /eg/ want from Lunars in 3e?
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>>43573911
Who cares? They have changed their function every edition so far.

Kinda ironic, that.
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Hey /tg/, I just remembered the most awesome fucking artifact in Exalted, and realized it's not present in the 3rd edition core:

The Ultimately Useful Tube

So how would we re-create this wonder of better times long past, with the new system?
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Would Shehai Shen She Ru be a viable Martial Arts style?
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>>43573911

I thing 3E is actually heading towards my vision for Lunars, reading between the lines.

I had houseruled canon for our games. Basically:

* About 2/3 of Lunars were Silver Pact. The Pact's primary goal is the destruction of the Realm. Almost all of the other third know about, and have contacts with, the Pact, but pursue their own goals.

* The Silver Pact are a combination of underground railroaders, guerilla fighters and Cylons. They smuggle new Lunars away from the Realm, attack Realm assets, and insert Lunars into prominent positions to sabotage it from within.

* The Silver Pact is centrally co-ordinated. Due to the size of creation, the only place it is feasibly to run it from is the Blessed Isle. The eldest and most powerful Lunars are located there, under the Realm's nose. The mortality rate is high - most leaders only survive a few decades after they take the post. There are no remaining First Age Lunars in the Pact.

* The Pact has been effective. Their agents have been known to successfully, albeit infrequently, impersonate the heads of Great Houses for up to a year. There is general paranoia in the higher echelons of the Realm in regards to who is or is not a Lunar.

* The Bond is a thing, but it's different from the First Age. In the First Age, Lunars had no castes, but were instead shaped by their bond, making them the perfect complement to their bonded Solar. The late First Age Solars abused the bond to screw over their Lunar mates, and when the Solars were killed, the Lunars had the opportunity to redefine themselves. The Silver Pact's tattoos are the physical manifestation of the bond, bound into Moonsilver, and shaped to give the Lunar a caste. Non-Pact Lunars have developed other methods of manipulating their bond into a caste (meditation, Wyld exposure, Sorcerous workings, etc).
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>>43574160
>The Pact's primary goal is the destruction of the Realm

...Why?
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>>43574187

In-character or out? In-character - because the Realm has been sponsoring Wyld Hunts to track them down and kill them since the Usurpation, and because they feel the right of rule should descend to them, as the Solars' partners, rather than their up-jumped footsoldiers. They feel they could run Creation better.

Out-of-character; because they needed a somewhat-unifying mission over the last few thousands of years, and a reason to interact with the other pro/antagonists of the setting.
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>>43574237
So, their primary goal is conquest of the Realm, not destruction.
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>>43574237
>They feel they could run Creation better.
HAHAHAHA
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>>43574187

They hate it for being an imposter of what once was(Ma-Ha-Suchi and a few others can still remember the glories of the first age IIRC).
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>>43574242

Potato, potata.

>>43574247

Hubris isn't the sole domain of the Sidereals
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>>43574160
>I thing 3E is actually heading towards my vision for Lunars, reading between the lines.
I hope not. Your idea is among the worst I have heard yet.
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>>43574403

That's ok. Your criticism is among the most pointless I've ever read.
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What has been the worst place added to 3e?
I hate Fajad, Grieve.... practically all the North.
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>>43574478
I pretty much like all of them.
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>>43573911
More elders to kill in amusing and possibly degrading manners.

I want my players to kill and grind Leviathan into delicious whale chili to feed at the lunar convention.
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>>43574282

Potato
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My players want to build a kingdom in the southwest. Best location for it?
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>>43573911
Less focus on being a Silver Pact/Elder pawns. Just because I'm a Lunar shouldn't mean I have to give a fuck about destroying the realm or building some stupid barbarian nation to throw at the Realm.

And of course no mandatory tattoos to not go crazy.
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>>43574734
Start on a small island that no one else has claimed, bring them into gradual conflict with Ysyr.
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>>43574734
Lathe
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>>43574519
Really?
I mean they have improved the West but somehow the North just got less interesting.
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>>43574592
>so how do you like them giant monsters from the beginning of time?
>no, I mean what do you think of their taste
>I think that the esteemee Chef Peppermint of Copper Spider put in a bit too much salt
>what? Oh no, it's not chicken.
>it's leviathan.
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Does eating demons do something to you, or are they just surprisingly good when made on a campfire and filled with nutrients?
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>>43574932
Given the source material, most demons are probably poisonous, hallucinogenic, or both. And since demons are naturally immaterial, I'm not sure killing a demon to eat it will leave you with much in the way of a corpse after a couple of minutes.
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>>43574932
If you kill a spirit, they dissipate into essence, though I'd allow the more powerful ones to drop a trophy horn or something.
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>>43574989
>>43575025
Well, leave it alive then.
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>>43574734
Why compete with the best place in creation, An-teng?
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>Abortion is illegal for a Dragon-Blood whose husband has made her pregnant or for a member of a lower caste who bears a Dragon-Blood’s child, even if the child is a product of rape. Both the mother and the person who performed the abortion can be imprisoned or even executed, depending on their station, the situation and the magistrate involved.

Huh.
It would've been much better if they'd tacked on something about it being illegal due to the DB being so awesome or something, instead it just feels shoehorned.
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>>43575125
It's because they have potential to exalt, and the Realm needs DBs.
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Would building a four storied three story building be a craft, project, or sorcerous working?
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>>43575225
It'd be a headache,unless you were the Chosen of Poor Design Choices.
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>>43575225
Project, but involve craft somehow, like the schematics are craft (architecture) and you need those to build the house.

How good the house is would depend on the blueprints (craft) and quality workforce (project).
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>>43575225
Three storied building with actually four stories, or a four storied building with actually three stories?
(Tardis or reverse-tardis?)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjSIlIK8WL4
How would you fluff this as a Lunar Charm? Or is it a MA?
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>>43575280
A tardis thing would definitely be a working, in addition to >>43575254
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>>43575298
In fact I can see a Sidereal of Journeys having a Not!Tardis
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>>43569489

Power difference between is a little low.
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>>43575309

*between mortals and exalted
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>>43575298
I meant tardis as in bigger on the inside, and reverse tardis as in bigger on the outside
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>>43575324
I know, both would require Workings on top of blueprints and actual construction.
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>>43575245
Probably
>>43575254
Thanks
>>43575280
Formers.
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>>43575348
>not Building hard enough to bend reality
Do you even Exalted?
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>>43575377
You can't play Sidereals yet.
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>>43575355
>Probably
Being the Chosen of Bsu-Jei would be an...interesting experience.
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Why isn't the iconic Twilight Mister Tony Stark?
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Could a lost egg have maximum breeding?
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>>43575488
Yes, if they are from some hidden, isolated village where everyone was a DB since the first age and didn't let mortals in.
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>>43575454
I have no idea, Stark Tower should be very easy to make as a Manse with JARVIS as its bound spirit, or something.

Maybe it's because Thor wouldn't get on with him.
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>>43575515
Fuck thor. He's up there with Sidereal on the fuck-these-faggots list in first place.
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>>43575454

Because, for some reason, the devs decided that the iconic Twilight should be a Sorcerer despite the fact that anyone can be one and Occult isn't a caste ability to only Twilights anymore.

Craftsnerds, post 'em if you got 'em.
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What level of martial art, and what essence would Netero's Style from Hunter X Hunter be, in 2e and 3e separately. Would it be possible to make a martial arts style from it for use with a boss character?
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>>43575548
Looks more like a warstrider from that gif.
You could also make it not a MA, but him controlling a spirit or behemoth.
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>>43575536
Is that the Mark 42-EX? That shouldn't be too hard to make in 2e.
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Is brass a magical material?
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>>43575592

No idea, it's from the Medieval Avengers art set.

http://thedurrrrian.deviantart.com/gallery/38236831/The-Avengers-2012

>>43575608

As much as Malfeas wants it to be, it's not.
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>>43575627
I was just trying to flavor it for Exalted,but that's just me.
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>>43575608
>>43575627
Malfean/Verdigrised Brass technically ISN'T a magical material, but it can still be used to make artifacts. As can a whole buttload of other things in Malfeas.
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>>43575771

Which is where Infernal Relics come from. Remind me, can only Infernal Relics be Sapient, or can regular artefacts as well?
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>>43575627
But then why can things like Brass be used to make magical stuff?
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>>43575783
Regular artifacts can be, too.
Hell, if you take a look at 3e, the new iconic Dawn, Volfer, has a sapient sword that is made of orichalcum but still has a demon inside it.
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>>43575795
"Malfean Materials" can all channel essence in a similar way to the magical materials. Usually because you have to melt a demon into calchanth in order to make anything out of them.
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>>43575795

Malfean Brass can be used to make Infernal Relics, as can many materials you find in Malfeas. Infernal Relics do not have an MM bonus.

>>43575801

I'm glad about things like that, it's more interesting. But I was talking about 2e only.
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>>43575245
>Chosen of Poor Design Choices.

This makes me wonder: is there truly a god for EVERY single concept in Creation?

Does every strange fetish have a god? Are there gods for every single philosophy or belief system? If I do some funky Wyld shit and bring in a chopper from Modern Creation, do gods of Motorcycles, Motor Vehicles, Internal Combustion Engines, Gasoline, Choppers, and maybe even more just instantly spawn in Yu-Shan*?

Would there just be a god of Engines, or would there a god for every single part, such as one for Crankshafts, another for Exhaust Pipes, etc.

I dunno man, it seems like the way Exalted describes it there should literally be billions of gods in Yu-Shan and the granularity of domains is never really defined.

*: The thought of this is pretty damn funny:

"Hi, I'm a new god who just spawned."
"Happens all the time. What's your domain?"
"Uh...'Motorcycles."
"...The fuck's a 'Motorcycle'? This better not be some Solar bullshit AGAIN."
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>>43575870
There isn't, not for all encompassing things like Time and Space, nor for things that don't exist.
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>>43575891

Those are Shinma, aren't they? How many of them are there? What do they encompass?
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Malfean Brass isn't the only thing that I am talking about though; there are a bunch of odd things that can be used in making something magical, but what separates them from Magical Materials?
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>>43575891
Obviously there can't be gods for things that don't exist. I said "every single concept of Creation" (i.e "everything in Creation"), not "every single thing ever".

>>43575919
I don't think Shinma exist anymore due to Ex3's fetish for pretentious vagueness regarding everything and it's obnoxious "FUCK YOU DAD/2E I WONT DO WHAT YOU TELL ME" mentality
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>>43575965
>I don't think Shinma exist anymore due to Ex3's fetish for pretentious vagueness regarding everything and it's obnoxious "FUCK YOU DAD/2E I WONT DO WHAT YOU TELL ME" mentality
well cock.
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>>43576078
I'm okay with that. An Exalted character knowing about shinma would be like some dude IRL knowing the fundamental rules of the universe.
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>>43575870
Not unless people start worshipping the motorcycle/individual parts of the motorcycle.
>>43575891
Saturn would like a word with you
As would Pluto if you go with the idea of her being the Maiden of Hours after Saturn dies
>>43575919
Shinma cover base concepts of the world by opposing them.
For example, the Shinma of Identity has no identity; if you do figure out it's name and try to write/say/read it at all, you stop existing.
The Shinma of Existence literally doesn't exist.
>>43575965
>I don't think Shinma exist anymore due to Ex3's fetish for pretentious vagueness regarding everything and it's obnoxious "FUCK YOU DAD/2E I WONT DO WHAT YOU TELL ME" mentality
Until the devs say otherwise, let's just assume they do. Because they're a neat concept, and their existence does nothing but add flavor to the setting.
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>>43576130
>The Shinma of Existence literally doesn't exist.
Well, I have a headache now.
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>>43576181
Basically, the Shinma say "I don't ____, so therefore other things do"
The Shinma of Existence doesn't exist, so therefore other things exist
The Shinma of Identity doesn't have an identity, so therefore other things have identities
etc
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>>43576181
It's not really any more confusing than a living brass city which is actually the turned-inside-out body of a chthonic god which is somehow bordered by a desert (which is ANOTHER chthonic god) that is outside the city and inside of it at the same time. And which has its own multiple self-aware souls. That have their own self-aware souls.

Man, the Yozis were the first things that made me go "holy SHIT this game is awesome" when I first learned about Exalted. Just the whole idea of them is so damn cool.
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>>43574761
Shit. I read >>43574734 as south*east*. Fuck me sideways. But yeah, An-Teng.
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I like this line from The Roll of Glorious Divinity 2:

>The total destruction of a Primordial’s largest body—for instance, melting the brass city of Malfeas into slag—might suffice to destroy it

How the actual fuck are you supposed to even start accomplishing this? Fuck, even a bunch of Solars are gonna have trouble with that.
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>>43577003
>How the actual fuck are you supposed to even start accomplishing this?
Giant kung-fu sun robot?
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>>43577024
Literally any warstrider then.
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>>43577024
Isn't Malfeas fucking huge? The way the books describe him each layer is practically the size of an entire world itself.

Maybe we can Chaos Dunk him into Kimbery, but the logistics of that are going to be rather difficult.
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>>43577097
>but the logistics of that are going to be rather difficult.
Not if you have a robot piloted by a Perfect Circle, that is:
>One Solar of each Caste.
>All of the Solars' Lunar Mates.
>The Terrestrial Gens sworn to each Solar and Lunar.
>One of each Sidereal Caste advising the rest.
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>>43577190
>a robot piloted by a Perfect Circle
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>>43577204
heh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8D95OJbMKw
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>>43577003

By slaying his humaniform Jotun, the Brass Dancer, instead. You see the Brass Dancer and the Demon City are the same entity, just in two separate bodies simultaneously. Remember though, killing either will just turn Malfeas into a Neverborn, and without the continued existence of the Demon City to imprison them, who knows what'll happen to all of the other Yozi.
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>>43577240
Killing Jotun does not kill the whole yozi, it's more like cutting off a finger.
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>>43577240
>who knows what'll happen to all of the other Yozi.
Actually, I just realized I have to...give my apple tree a suppository, That's right! Gotta go, bye.
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>>43577254
I thought slaying a Jotun with Ghost-Eating Technique was how you Neverborn'd a bitch?
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>>43577289
>Ghost-Eating Technique
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>>43577265
>Giving a tree a suppository

Its okay Isidoros, no one judges your fetish play with Szoreny except Cecelyne, but that bitch might as well be carrying a "NO FUN" sign everywhere
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>>43577289
I don't thinks so, you do that to kill anything. Otherwise Gaia would not leave her jouten in Yu-Shan.
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>>43577358
Gaia is pretty safe because the only people capable of doing that are Exalts and it's not like you just tap the Charm and kill her, you'd have to get her to the point she would normally "die" then use Ghost-Eating Technique on the final blow. Which would be something incredibly difficult to do even if she was "by herself" let alone with all the Incarnae and rest of Heaven around.
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One of my players is going to play a night caste, that uses righteous devil, with stealth as supernal.
What does /tg/ think the best stealth charms are?
Which ones are kind of worthless?
There are so many frickin charms, I just wanna make sure I'm leading him in the right direction.
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>>43577347

Isn't she literally capable of enforcing a No Fun Allowed rule throughout all of Malfeas?
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>>43577382
Stealth...flame throwers...
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>>43575067
>>43576580

Is An-Teng is not directly part of the Realm?
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>>43577376
We don't actually have stats for jouten or any description of their powers (if they even have any), only actual yozis, so this is not certain.

The Celestial gods aren't worried about her jouten at all, but would be about her full self, so I think jouten are very weak and disposable.
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>>43577376
Jouten have little to no powers, because Celestial gods dismiss it as unimportant, whereas they would be more than a little stressed out if Gaia returned in full.
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>>43577382

Blinding Battle Feint, easily. Building up to Mind Shroud Meditation is a good way to repeatedly ambush people in combat and keep your initiative highish. Hidden Snake Recoil allows you t attempt stealth after a decisive attack, which is when your initiative is low.

By the way, Righteous Devil isn't that great to start off with, and it's form charm is Ess 2. You should have the player look into Ebon Shadow Style and Thrown. The former will let him branch out into Tiger Style for more killing power.
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Who takes better care of their horses, the Marukani or the Chiaroscuroans?
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>>43577465
It's a starapy, which means that the ruler has an adviser who tells them what to do, and they pay tribute to the Realm.
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>>43575488
Not likely, but it is possible. I think 2e talks about how it's not unreasonable to have a 'buried' bloodline to come back with unusual force or something like that.
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>>43575548
Netero breaks the rules. He was pretty much already a powerful exalt before he went off and decided to throw 10,000 perfect punches a day.
I'd say he's easily E5, and probably his techniques are his own E5 charms.
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What does starmetal look like?
I've always thought it was a bland looking metal that occasionally shimmers with a rainbow-y iridescence at times but is it?
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>>43577707
Pretty much.
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>>43577707
Unobtrusive, but not bland. It's highly polished but otherwise you're right
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>>43577707

Basically. "[Starmetal] looks like top-quality steel, with an unusually reflective and polished surface. When light strikes starmetal just so, it gleams in the prismatic colors of the Five Maidens."
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>>43567736
Demons have been causing my party no end of trouble - and they haven't even been meaning to. Our current little sidequest is to find out who was slipping a Delzhan nobleman crazypills. We determined that a demon spider was delivering them into his tent. Our chief suspect from the get-go was his family's political rival, but to everyone's knowledge there were no demonologists in the camp. While we were coming up with some plan to snare the demonologist, the other Twilight in the circle came up with the great idea of calling up a demon herself with sorcery, having it kill the aforementioned rival khan, and not telling the rest of us (the Dawn weaseled it out of her, then kept it secret).

Anyway, we visited to mourning family and offered our assistance in investigating the murder. While we investigating, we found evidence that the dead khan was indeed providing the crazypills, and I advanced the theory that the demonologist got cold feet and killed her employer to protect herself. I say 'her' because right after that, we spotted a women spying on us, and Spirit-Detecting Glance spotted the invisible demon spider attending her. The Dawn chased and caught her, and she sent the demon ahead to warn someone. As the only one who could see it (the other Twilight was afk), I chased it.

Two major problems with that though. One is that my Twilight has no dots in Athletics, and the dice gods were angry with me besides. The other is that, well, it was an *invisible* demon. A glowing, sprinting Solar and his yapping molehound companion attract attention, and if that solar is firing his firewand at seemly random, it's not very friendly attention. The pigs were closing in, so I had to let it go, but not before severing a limb to use to track it magically.

Unfortunately, while I was gone, the Dawn got into an argument over what to do with the alleged demonologist, and used a full Presence Excellency to scare everyone and everything off. Cont.
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>>43577813
Did I mention that we were ultimately there on a diplomatic mission to gather allies? Anyway, once I (barely) talked the Dawn into not torturing our prisoner or her children for a few moments, I used magic to figure out which tent the demon had run off to - as it turns out, it was the demonologist's tent, and the demon was evacuating her children. It wasn't too far, just a few minutes ride - except the Dawn had scared off everything we could ride. We had to let them.
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>>43577813
>>43577877
tl;dr fucking Dawns, fucking Twilights, and fucking demons.
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>>43577456
Fuck yeah.
Dude appears out of nowhere.
Shoots me in the face with a flame cannon.
by the time I can see the sumbitch has disappeared.
next thing I know he's behind me, shooting me with the fucking flame cannon again.
Where the fuck does he keep going?
Why is my whole world terror and pain?
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>>43577934
Not very subtle, is it? A great distraction, but you alert the whole place if you want to take out even one guard.
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>>43577961
Damn straight
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>>43577961
I never did read much about her, but visually I like her design. Pic related is a better version, though.
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>>43577934
>Why is my whole world terror and pain?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeqLNGAVqK4
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>>43577983
She should really be with the Sothern circle, they're far better than the Main circle most of the time.... I can't remember much about their twilight but everyone else is great.
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>>43578009
Who's the Southern circle's Night, again?
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>>43578061
>>43578009
How many circles are there anyway?
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>>43578061
I believe she's the spotted chick.
I think what she's doing is trying to find a place for her people, which are valuable slaves....
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>>43577955
That's fair. I suspect he's going to want to take some ebon shadow style as well. So I suppose he'll use that when he has to stay hidden, as opposed to a pitched battle.
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>>43578139
It's not too hard to mock up some firedust grenades (flame, thrown, etc). Combine those with falling icicle and observer-deceiving, and you've got silent firebombs without breaking cover.
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>>43578258
is there a charm that lets you produce a song to tooth-grittingly irritating, people would kill themselves rather than listen to it.
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>>43578101
The one with the circus?
She's hot
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>>43578395
There is something like that for sick written burns in Linguistics.
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Lunars are creepy, but can they be this creepy?
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Why are the smallest artefact knives 3 feet long?
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>>43573911
Whatever I end up writing for them will be superior to whatever anyone else writes for them.
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>>43578440

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWl8EbNN8NM
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>>43578426
What, the thing in the background? Not anymore, behemoths are probably out of Lunars league in 3e. In 2e? Yes, eventually.

The guy in the foreground is just a sorcerer in a fancy hat.
>>43578440
Those are more like shortswords, just homebrew up actual knives. And see >>43578457
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>>43578457
>You call that a knife? No worries, THIS is what I call a crossbow.
Based Terry Pratchett is based.
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>>43578456

Pretty much this. My Lunars are badasses who have been fighting a hopeless war for centuries while destabilizing the Realm and fucking with things in Creation.
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>>43578367
man that's wrong. the hands are supposed to entirely backwards.

pic related
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What are good alternative systems for Exalted? I do not think that exalted 3 is bad, just too crunchy.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTtgVSxfr5M
What caste is Elton John?
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>>43578464
Wouldn't a behemoth be more than just a giant worm? Like a true behemoth would be more dangerous and magical.
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>>43578598
Sure, like a nigh-unkillable giant worm.

Actual animals don't get much more dangerous than Tyrant Lizards, anything more dangerous is a spirit or a behemoth.
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>>43577961

She was based off one of he original designer's ex girlfriends.
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>>43578626
Actually, The Iconic Midnight Abyssal was.

You know, the vapid, incompetent, STD ridden whore.
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>>43578514
I find the hopeless war rather silly. Of course in my fluff the Realm well and truly believes the Lunars are assailing them with everything they have, when in fact the Lunars don't really bother with the Realm unless they're super bored or it makes strategic sense to deny the Realm an asset (e.g. the Caul).

Lunars are both master assassins and superb actors, able to eliminate a target to progress without anyone being aware it's happening. An organic solution to the obstruction appears and then the individual embodying it disappears. Virtually no one the wiser.

Of course they're also the power behind most of the Threshold thrones, and they're the ones who keep the Emissary's authority intact in Nexus.

They're adept at blackmailing spirits and have thus far managed to provide Lookshy with plenty of incentive to avoid looking east for conquest.

The control all of the major pirate fleets not controlled by the Lintha, and harry Realm shipping across every sea.

They're fighting a rearguard action against all of the blight zones created by the presence of Deathlords (although they are only just beginning to realize what they're up against). Given that the Realm has mostly ignored them to this point, they're probably all that stands between Creation and the Void.

They're also, of course, engaged in the quest to free the Solars, although that has stagnated over the centuries. There's plenty of internal debate about whether or not things would be better with the Solars here, but all of the elders agree on one point: they're not going to be able to maintain things much longer.
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>>43578588
Fate, Savage Worlds
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>>43578540
Oh god that's just disturbing.
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Why are Water Aspects best Aspect?
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What the hell is up with the Storytelling comic in MoEP DB?
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>>43577240
Killing the Brass Dancer will do exactly fuck-all to Malfeas. Now Ghost-Eating Ligier, Malfeas' Fetich Soul, on the other hand, WILL have serious repercusions.
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>>43578928
>WILL have serious repercusions.
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>>43578859
Fuckin' Siddies man
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>>43577538
The Marukani. Because if they don't, Hiparkes makes life very unpleasant for them.
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>>43578680

Well when fighting the neverending Wyld it seems hopeless. The only thing that would end the war was if the ancient defenses of Creation were reestablished by the Lunars (or Solars) remaking the seals and wards that kept the edges of Creation functioning since Primordial days. Right now the Lunar nations (everything from barbarian hordes to lockstepped legions) in the Wyld are forming a silver wall protecting the full might of the Wyld re-entering Creation. If they were to fall the Scarlet Empress would have to continue to use the Realm Defense Grid until she is surrounded by nothing but rubble. And then the next attack begins. Although with her gone now the situation is even more dire.

Everything the Lunars do in Creation is either a Lunar who does not care about the war or is trying to gain territory in Creation so they can rebuild the seals and have a proper magical infrastructure to power them.
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>>43578928
So then what is the Brass Dancer in relation to Malfeas?
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>>43579130
A finger for a man.
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>>43579150
Is it his 11th 'finger'?
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>>43579150
I prefer the "CEO of the corporation" analog personally.
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>>43579199

I thought that was in reference to the Fetich Soul?
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>>43579172
A city has no use for fingers, he does not have any.
>>43579199
But that's wrong. If you remove the Dancer, nothing really changes, Malfeas just makes another one. The Fetich might fit, but not the jouten.
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>>43579199
Me too, it gave us the Coca Cola Primordial, after all, and there is nothing wrong with that.
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>>43579223
Fetich would be CEO.

Jotun would be the mascot.

So Coca-Cola Polar Bear
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>>43579258
So, whose the CEO of Macdonalds, the Jouten would be Ronald.
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>>43579223
>>43579224
Nah, the Fetich is one step below that. If you kill the jouten, a new one appears shortly thereafter--inheriting the CEO position much like how a corp can go on even after its CEO dies.
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>>43578009
An awful lot of the best signature characters seem to originate or live in the South.
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>>43579292
But the corp is lessened, its stocks fall if the CEO suddenly dies. Not so with jouten.
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>>43579283
That robber guy
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>>43579283
Yeah, the Jotun is the embodiment of the Primordial as a whole.

A better example would probably be Disney.

Bob Iger is the CEO, when you talk to him you are talking to someone who has a pretty solid idea of where Disney as a company is going and some level of control over what they do.

Then there's Mickey Mouse, who if you meet him in the parks. That IS Disney, at least to the people who meet him. That's the mouse who started it all. But so is Disneyland, which is probably another Jotun. It's a physical embodiment of what Disney is. People don't think of a this sprawling megacorporation as Disney, they think of the park, or Mickey Mouse or some shit.
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>>43579338
Hamburglar?
But this anon>>43579344 had a better example than mine.
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>>43579344
Fuck Disney
Team Carl Barks ftw
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>>43579344
I take it all the mascots would be Demons in various circles.
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>>43579378
other*
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>>43579378
No, CEO is the Fetich, 3CDs are the board, 2CDs are the department heads, 1CDs are the employees/product.
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>>43579318
What about The Bulls circle?
They're all from the North.
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>>43579378
The Soul Hierarchy is weird. If we're going with the company analogy then the 3rd Circles would probably be the board. 2nd Circles people with management positions under them, and then 1st Circles the minimum wage people who are constantly replaced.
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>>43579378
Not everything in Hell is a demon. Sometimes a nightmarish humanoid dog monster is just a nightmarish humanoid dog monster. Huck-yuk
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>>43579411
But if I were to make a Disney Primordial I'd have most of the various characters represented as First Circle Demon races since a lot of the characters are not exactly one note but easily rendered down to a brief description.
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Holden just posted on the RPGnet minus thread about people not knowing what rules are good for them.
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>>43579411
>and then 1st Circles the minimum wage people who are constantly replaced.
Sooo, if I have this right, the first Circle of a Disney Primordial would be the people they hire to play any mascots other than Mickey.

Of course I could be totally wrong.
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>>43579456
No, they're the people who operate the rides or serve your hot dog or clean up your vomit.
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>>43579456
No, just any employee, from a pen pusher to a janitor.
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>>43579455

And not only that its about the fucking XP/BP split. Jesus Christ he cannot possibly be more wrong about it and he fucking said that.
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>>43579456
This analogy breaks down because the Mickey Mouse in the parks are really just people in suits which would fall under First Circle Demon but if we focus on Mickey Mouse as the IDEA. The way people kids think of him in the parks then the analogy can be maintained a bit.

The various Disney Parks, those are equivalent to the Brass City which is one of Malfeas' Jotuens. If Mickey Mouse was "real", if it wasn't a guy in a suit. That'd also be a Jouten.

The employees who are actually the guys and gals in the suit, yeah those would be 1st Circle.
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>>43579455
>>43579485
my sides
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>>43579485
Yeah, Holden managed to pack an impressive amount of idiocy in one sentence.
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>>43579514
There are lots of people in Mickey suits descended from his heirarchy.

But there is only one Micky
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>>43579477
>>43579472
Fairy nuff, I'm now imagining the first circle souls moving over the world-body making sure everything is in order, this does of course mean pulling anything that doesn't fit into themselves for recycling.
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>>43579539
Very good way to put it. The character, the idea of him is the Jouten. The people playing him are just First Circle Souls but when kids meet him, they aren't thinking about a guy in a suit.

They're thinking about HIM.
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>>43579535
It's like if Ouroboros were a trainwreck.
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>>43579535
It's both stupid and petty.
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>>43579535
>bad rules

Is he fucking retarded?
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>>43579538
See before I've kind of accepted the bp/xp split because at one point they said something along the lines of "we like it and it incentivizes a certain build path that we feel is good for the game"

Sure, my autism is triggered when XP differences happen but whatever, I'll fix that on my own time. That's my opinion on the subject and they have theirs.

But to say that the BP/XP split is an OBJECTIVELY good rule? Nah senpai.
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>>43579581
He just does not like unified XP chargen and likes BP.
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>>43579535
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>>43579581
Nah, he's just an asshole.
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>>43579535

Oh goddamn it

Why is he digging himself deeper with every interaction with the fanbase post backer release?
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>>43579566
Speaking of Primordials, can they eat each other, if so, what happens to their outlying souls?
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>>43579569
>>43579574
>>43579581
The first response is literally "ahahahahahaha"

It's a giant joke and he's the only one not in on it at this point.

>>43579594
But he said literally the opposite thing 3 years ago. I don't have screenshots of it unfortunately.

Dude is a total vomit comet of hypocrisy and hyperbole.
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>>43579535

Did he at least explain why it's a bad rule?
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>>43579632
What do you mean eat each other?
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>>43579642
What? No. He can't. He's been asked dozens of times.

I'm tempted to make an account just to report him for insulting me.
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>>43579535
How the fuck can anyone-
How the fuck?
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>>43579648
I guess the term 'eat' wouldn't really describe what I'm going for, I meant more 'aggressively overlap on one another'.
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>>43579735
So... hot primordial on primordial action?
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>>43579319
I dunno, I think some of the same shock value happens when you defeat a jouten. It certainly demoralizes the shit out of its souls.
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>>43579765
They are usually above such things. Their component souls, however...
>>43579768
It does not. It's a puppet, not a real thing. Killing the Fetich does.
Nobody ever cares about joutens, only about the Yozi that puppets it.
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>>43579800
If you took out the Brass Dancer, that's a serious blow, if a temporary one.
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>>43579535
>>43579538
>>43579569
>>43579574
>>43579581
>>43579594
>>43579596
>>43579601
>>43579630
>>43579636
>>43579642
>>43579663
>>43579731
write [email protected]

include that image and make it clear that this is not an acceptable way to interact with your customers

the only way to win this war is to be vocal

don't be the silent doormats of regression
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>>43579735
Again you're talking about a lot of big things that overall aren't the whole part of the Primoridial.

Even the Demon City, Malfeas isn't MALFEAS as he totally is. That is the sum of everything that is him. Even the First Circle Demons.

So really, all the Primordials are always aggressively overlapping on another because their various bits and bobs are spread out in a huge hodgepodge.
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>>43579827
Congrats, you just got Exalted canned
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>>43567736

>Join Exalted group halfway through a campaign
>Create a Dawn based on Big Boss
>One of the other players is a government leader

Time to destabilize some governments, Boss!
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The day 4chan got trolled hard by a writer. Well done all.
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>>43579874

Tell me, what are the other members of your Circle like?
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>>43579888
ok holden

too late for damage control
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>>43579813
No, it would not. It's literally a human looking meat puppet for when the Yozi wants to walk among the people instead of being a city. It is in no way useful otherwise, can't use the Yozis powers itself and is utterly replaceable. It's a remote controlled drone, not an embodiment like the worldbody is.
>>43579828
FCDs are not part of the Yozi or its soul hierarchy. Other than that, you're right.
>>43579874
Noice.
>>43579888
Not even a real writer, a game designer.
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>>43579827
The shift key is your friend, though it won't do much to make you look like less of an idiot.
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>>43579910
<Holden_EX3> XD
<Holden_EX3> I just dropped a post in there that will surely make it catch fire and go apeshit
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>>43579911
They don't have an effect on the soul structure but they are of Malfeas.

I could see some in universe debates on the subject, whether letting a First Circle Demon into Creation was letting a tiny part of Malfeas in, while other debated that no, they are just made by Malfeas.
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you guys act like you aren't going to buy everything branded with exalted no matter what the guy says.
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>>43579843
i don't care at this point

neither should you

you have the pdf

>>43579916
i take solace in the fact that i don't have to spend my evenings bent over a table being fucked up the ass by a miserable rodent who insists i know nothing

i am perfectly capable of using the shift key, of course

but this is my modus operandi

it helps you recognize when your better is speaking, holden
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>>43579911
>It is in no way useful otherwise, can't use the Yozis powers itself and is utterly replaceable
>can't use the Yozi's powers

What? Yes it can. It's literally the Yozi made manifest, of course it can. A jouten's replaceable nature doesn't make it not extremely dangerous.
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>>43574790
Don't forget their delicious tears of unfathomable sadness
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>>43579935
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>>43579907

One is a flamboyant female pirate, one is some kind of rock monster or something, and the last is a king/lord or something. I'm not super clear on what all their castes are or anything.

At the moment they're all off doing their own thing. It's the perfect time to strike.
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>>43579888
>>43579910
>>43579935
career suicide isn't the same thing as trolling
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>>43579945
I don't have money to pay my fucking rent
I'm not going to buy anything
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>>43579945
>buy
Ahahahaha, why do you think we have the core PDF in the OP?
>>43579958
It does, because the Celestial gods ignore Gaia's jouten being there, but they are very afraid of Gaia herself.
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Management of this game was fucked. Getting rid of Stephen Lea Sheppard as the editor was tossing out the baby with the bathwater in the panic over the leak, and this book desperately needed to be edited. Robert Vance, from his work on the book, looks like he'd make a much better lead developer. Leave Morke and Holden to write systems and charms, but with someone over them to tell them that they should change shitty things rather than being retards.
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>>43579935
it's been a great log today

full of holden saying things he shouldn't

it's been forwarded in full to paradox
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>>43579990
Exactly my thoughts.
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>>43579946
>i take solace in the fact that i don't have to spend my evenings bent over a table being fucked up the ass by a miserable rodent who insists i know nothing
Wow. Man, jesus. If that's all you have to take solace in then I actually feel kind of bad for you.
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>>43579985
>because the Celestial gods ignore Gaia's jouten being there

Because she doesn't really do anything there, not because her jouten has no power (though it is also weakened a great deal by her focus on hunting down the Shining Answer).
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>>43579990

Not to mention they should hire a PR guy, Holden is dangerously close to disappearing up his own arse altogether.
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Fore some reason unknown to me, I feel compelled to minmax at character creation. I share with you now the fruits of my labors.
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>>43580017
Let Vance do the PR, he's like an excitable puppy. Plus, he's actually posting heavily on the OP forums clearing up ambiguous rules and clarifying design intent with a bunch of stuff. He's like the anti-Holden.
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>>43579990
Vance pl, stop sucking yourself off and eat a sandwich
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>>43579945
I've already informed Tobias and Paradox I won't be purchasing anything from them if Onyx Path and specifically Rich, Holden, and Morke are allowed to continue to work.

I also noted I sure as shit will not be buying any more Paradox products if that relationship continues, and pointed out they've enjoyed my patronage to the tune of $600 to this point (and provided evidence with screencaps of my Steam account).

Remember, money talks.
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>>43580022
Oh fuck whyyyy.
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>>43580039
>if Onyx Path [...] are allowed to continue to work.
Wow, what a fucking prick. Nice way to thank the guys who made the best version of WoD.
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>>43580017
>Holden is dangerously close to disappearing up his own arse altogether.
I would pay to see that, I wouldn't pay someone else to see that.
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>>43580005
ok holden
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>>43580080
Yes, we should specify the Exalted team.
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>>43579768
Not really, no. All a Jouten is, is an interface device that allows Primordials to meaningfully communicate with beings less physically/metaphysically vast then themselves. If you are not a Primordial, and you want to have an actual dialogue with, say Malfeas, you don't do that by trying to communicate with The Demon City, you do it by talking to the Brass Dancer.
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>>43579911
>It's literally a human looking meat puppet for when the Yozi wants to walk among the people instead of being a city. It is in no way useful otherwise, can't use the Yozis powers itself and is utterly replaceable.

Where do you even get that shit? From all indications, the Brass Dancer is a fully-fledged jouten, a conceptual representation of a Yozi, and Malfeas is fully capable of acting through it however he wishes. Manifestations like the Brass Dancer are why Devil-Tyrant Avatar Shintai exists.
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>>43580031
>he's actually posting heavily on the OP forums clearing up ambiguous rules and clarifying design intent with a bunch of stuff
I really hope they'll edit those in the actual book.
Got a link?
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>>43580087
I dunno dude, I don't think Holden needs 'Man, thank god Satan isn't sodomising me endlessly' to get through the day. That's a pretty serious, like 'I'm living in abject poverty and am suffering malaria in the streets' kind of silver-lining.
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>>43580022

Your calculations are wrong.

Favored abilities cost 3 1 3 5 7, not 3 3 5 7 9.
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>>43580039
uh, you could ask only for Onyx Path not working on Exalted, you know, because their work on the World of Darkness (old and new) is actually quite good, so, you know, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater
but i guess you don't really care
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>>43580117
The Demon City is ALSO a Jouten.

>One other word, jouten, might be particularly useful for a visitor to Malfeas. It designates an actual Yozi body: Malfeas the dancer might be pointed out as jouten, as might Malfeas the Demon City.

Roll of Glorious Divinity II, Page 18
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>>43580080
I would feel bad about it if it weren't for Rich's actions, statements, and general dickery in this.

But given those things, I don't.

I would encourage Tobias to hire the good developers. They're freelancers. But dump Onyx Path.
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>>43580123
http://nishkriya.com/Accounts/Details/4
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>>43580117

Malfeas the city is a jouten, though. So you're just... wrong.
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>>43580167
Huh, is something wrong with nishkriya? It doesn't look like it has updated for a while and it's not on the useful links on the OP forum.
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>>43578700

Do not like the two.
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People are going to boycott? We don't pay for anything here. How about posting screenshots of the games we stole from them when we post our moral outrage over someone getting the better of you on an internet message board.

Sit down, marks.
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>>43580218
What if the Brass Dancer is the Jouten...of a Jouten?
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So I've heard that the Infernals are getting shafted and their charmsets ruined in 3e?
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>>43580230
>We don't pay for anything here

There's a fair few actual paid-money backers here.
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>>43580230
ok holden
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>>43580254

They're getting a complete make over. Their charms are going to be ability based, like Solars, and the Shintai is being completely revamped.
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>>43580254
I say thee...well fuck.
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>>43580254
>implying Infernals are ever getting released

You'll be lucky to see DBs desu
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>>43580254

As of the preview? They're getting organized by Ability, and they're no longer Literally the Actual Yozi's Charms Exactly.

That's the only difference. Every Infernal Charm in 2e could theoretically exist in 3e, it'd just have an Ability appended, and the Shintais would be made out of widgets within the trees leading up to them, instead of being Charms in of themselves.

But Infernals are at least a decade and a half off, so who knows what they'll become, so why are you worrying about it?
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>>43580254
>>43580293
Apparently their charms will still be Yozi themed, but won't be grouped by Yozi like in 2e, and won't be actual Yozi charms.
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>>43580264
I've had it up to here with yer fookin bullshiet!
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>>43580230
Do recall that hatred and hyperbole are basically the jade standard around here.

If you're not angry enough to grind your own penis into hamburger and set fire to your house to spite [insert name here ] it's because you are in fact the man in question.
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>>43580301

Because their 2e organization is fucking stupid.

I shouldn't have to write an 8 Charm thesis on Kimbery's definition of motherhood just to shoot some acid out of my anus.
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>>43580254
>things that are not happening now
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>>43580319
The other problem was that you needed to take charms that turned you into someone incapable of speaking plainly in order to get the cool shadow powers later on.
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>>43580251

Joutenception.

Well, the Primordials did start out in the Wyld. The world of Exalted is one where existence is merely a dream made real by the enforcement of causality. The Primordials contrast the Raksha ultimately only due to the application of shape.

Therefore, we must go DEEPER into Malfeas.
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>>43580319
Maybe yes, maybe no.
Pic related though.

>>43580307
Because I fucking love Infernals.
Pretty much they and Mini-Cons are the only reason I'm into Exalted anymore.
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>>43580301

Because the old charm set, while interesting, was inefficient. Five Yozi to five ability sets, you can only favour two of them. Adding a sixth (Kimbery), starts to fuck with everything. This new system will allow greater freedom. Multiple Yozi can occupy a single ability, each with their own self contained tree, with the possibility of Heresy charms tying the trees together at the end. This will also allow the exploration of more Yozi powers without throwing the system out of balance due to only being able to favour two of them. It's sounds weird at first, and I certainly resisted it, but it makes sense if you think about it.
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>>43580218
No, the city is a world-body. Just like the desert is Cecelyne's world-body, and Gaia's world-body is out in the middle of chaos somewhere doing who knows what

Joutens are specifically humanoid representations of the yozi, in 2e.

In 3e, they may not even exist; I remember the devs saying a while back that they were taking the corporation metaphor to the next logical step and replacing the jouten with the fetich soul; so when you make a deal with Malfeas Inc., you're talking to Ligier, the CEO, instead of Malfeas's Jouten, the weird guy who somehow embodies EVERYTHING about the company without actually being anywhere in it's structure.
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>>43580355
>Therefore, we must go DEEPER into Malfeas.
We dug too greedily and too deep, we cannot get out, we cannot get ou...
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watching the obvious attempt to redirect the discussion away from holden resigning is interesting

also wondering how long it will take rpg.net mods to edit all of those posts
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>>43580379
Absolutely incorrect.

>>43580152

Both the Brass Dancer and the Demon City are Joutens. The specific way to differentiate them is the Brass Dancer is a humaniform Jouten while the Demon City is a World-Body Jouten.
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>>43580427
>The specific way to differentiate them is the Brass Dancer is a humaniform Jouten while the Demon City is a World-Body Jouten.
Okay this is giving me a headache.
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>>43580410
Any second now. Don't stop refershing the rpg.net page, screencap everything.
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>>43580460
>There are a dozen more specific words apparently describing degrees or uses of different Yozi selves—but their connotations are so subtle that most demonologists can’t use them without starting a raging debate.

RoGD II as well. They knew.
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>>43580410
>watching the obvious attempt to redirect the discussion away from holden resigning is interesting
What?
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>>43580500
He's just retarded.
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>>43580379

See >>43580152

You are absolutely wrong. The books state you are wrong. The 2e books state you are wrong. Why are you so full of shit, Anon?

>In 3e, they may not even exist

This, however, might be the case, but exactly what you're saying here is predicated on your above statement, which has already been proven false. 3E, in spite of certain major changes, has largely erred quite close to its predecessors in its general portrayal of the concepts being used. While the souls of the Yozi will indeed come to renewed prominence again, and rightfully so, it's rather doubtful the concept of joutens will disappear entirely, even if the term itself does.
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>>43580527
ok holden
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>>43580556
Ok retard!
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>>43580374
I suppose I see the point, with what tending to struggle between Malfeas, Cecelyne, Adorjan and Ebon Dragon Charms.
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>>43580561
you're taking this too personally, holden
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>>43580611
Go away, Holden.
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>>43580611
Not him, but I'd probably take someone trying to get me fired and the company I work for taken out of business pretty personally.
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>>43580631
I'm not actually Holden, I just think no-caps anon is genuinely retarded and out to annoy us rather than actually change shit.
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>>43580664
fear is the mind killer

but it's also whatever your mother smoked while she was pregnant
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>>43580684
Like, get off your ass and go on OPP or something instead, you'll actually have a vague impression of an impact and we don't have to deal with your posts.
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Can I be Holden?
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>>43580631
i know it hurts to watch a dream die
dreams are precious things after all
i would probably not be pleased to realize that i killed my dream
on the other hand
the chances of my destroying my dream are pretty slim
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>>43580709
In a game of pretend, you can be whatever you want.
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>>43580709
ok Vance
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>>43580705
for what purpose?
understand that holden has been told these things time and again
cunt just keeps dissembling badly
kinda funny

you know, like a kid falling on their face is usually funny
or not i guess it just depends on your sense of humor
usually i laugh
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>>43580709
*I'm* Stephen Lea Sheppard
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>>43578588

Has no one else Suggestions?
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>>43580750
Holden, stop pretending to be an anon, stop shitting on yourself for attention, and use a shift key.
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>>43580772
There was a hack using Cortex+ called Fire and Blood, IIRC?
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>>43580772
The setting is easily slapped into whatever engine you want to use.

You just need to decide what you want your game to be like and select the right engine for it.
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Oh yeah. This just got bad.
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>>43580865
Rpg.net should not give attention to our resident lunatics, it just makes them more insufferable here.

Unless, that's their plan...?
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>>43580865
You know Holden RichT and Morke are bad if even the fans that really like the product dislike them.
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>>43580900
To be fair, they probably don't like us any more than we like them.
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>>43580915
Or like them but think they're doing stupid things, I suppose.
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>>43580900
>>43580915

An account with one post slams Holden, then gets immediately quoted here by anons? Someone's astroturfing.

It's a shitty remark and he deserves all 2325085 posts criticizing him, but at least try to put some effort into your false-flagging.
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>>43580950
i wish i could false flag with this efficacy
mostly because it would require less email
but i have enjoyed several long conversations with tobias
everything he's said has been pretty interesting
considering the way he carefully parses himself, though, one wonders
i hope hes smart enough to realize its easier to reacquire happy people
leaving a fandom over developers being fired would be dumb
everyone knows they're bad at their jobs at this point anyway
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Glad to see his new laptop arrived and thats hes tackling the most pressing issues first and foremost
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>>43579990

I also vote for the Vance overlord.

I've yet to find something I disagree with him with, let alone be angry over.
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>>43580254

I'm trying to convert them to 3e now. I've finished chapter 1 (Fluff), but I want to finish at least one Yozi charmset (malfeas) and share it for general thoughts before continuing with the rest.

>>43580332

You're funny.
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>>43580996
Scroll up the thread, dummo!
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What are Geomantic Charms?
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>>43580950
As the guy who posted that, I'm rather surprised it's being characterized as "slamming him" when all I said was "please friend try to be a bit more careful", but in any case the main reason I didn't have an account prior is cause I always lurk.
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>>43581049
>You're funny.
Or am I an oracle?

I know which I am, Holden.
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>>43581160
No, I'm Holden.
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>>43579999

If you actually have a log of the chat you should drop an email to the RPG.net admins with it included, purposefully stirring up shit in that thread would likely get him de-modded.
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>>43581049
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>>43581148

There are none, IIRC. Craft(Geomancy) follows the same rules as Craft(Artefacts), except you need dots in Craft(Architecture) for it. At the very least, this doesn't require one character working for 100 years or having 100 followers in order to make a manse.
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>>43580374

As the Alchemical guy, I actually agree with this. It loses some theme based charm interaction, but it becomes much less difficult to balance and shit, especially when supernal comes into play.
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>>43581175
you clearly don't understand rpg.net

you should take a look at how many of the mods are OP freelancers

hint: it's basically all of them

rpg.net is already a laughingstock, public opinion just hasn't caught up yet
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>>43581214
But Fourth-Soul Devil Domain has one as prerequisite
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>>43581224
Ok, Holden.
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>>43581271
ok holden
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>>43581279
No, I'm Holden, Holden.
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>>43581292
I'm Holden and so's my wife
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>>43581224

The amount of mods who are OP freelancers is immaterial. The mods dont get to decide who is or isnt a mod, the admins do. You could I suppose open a Trouble Tickets ticket on it for added visibility. "Inappropriate Mod Behaviour". Mods, "popular" ones, have been demodded for off site bullshit in the past.
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>>43581292

Everyone is Holden.
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>>43581243

>Fourth-Soul Devil Domain

Where are you reading this from, exactly? I don't see that charm in the core.
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>>43581318
he'll melt himself down in short order
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>>43581329
Anathema, Heretical Unwoven Coadjucator charms
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>>43581340
Don't you mean we'll melt down in short order, together, fellow Holden?
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>>43581343
>>43581329
That's homebrew, bro.
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Actually if someone has the log throw it on pastebin
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>>43581358
i'm not one for wrapping myself in glory

or shit

in this case it's shit
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>>43581378
Be quiet Holden.

>>43581364
This is a good idea, Holden.
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>>43581318
Right now most of the OP mods probably want to strangle Holden themselves.

He's fucking with company PR at a time that OP really cant afford it with the Paradox buy-out.
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>>43579935
Where did he say this?
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>>43581435

It's fiction
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>>43581435
An IRC channel on sorcery.net
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http://i.imgur.com/wweLR4g.jpg

Just providing this fuel for the fires.
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>>43581468
>linking
>not posting it
where do you think you are, an image board?
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>>43581456
It's #exalted on sorcery.net

May as well give them all the info, anon
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>>43581468
Is this good or bad? I mean, most charms are competently designed, at least.
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>>43581468
What is that even supposed to be?
>I just got word from Valve that Half Life 3 is confirmed
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>>43581468
So who will be writing my overpowered bullshit charm?
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>>43581483
Most Charms are Craft Charms
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>>43581473
I didn't save it.

>>43581486
Ostensibly good news.

>>43581490
Sounds like Vance or Chai.
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>>43581468

Weren't most of the corebook charms John's and Vance's work anyway?
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>>43581496
No, Martial Arts!
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>>43581518
The charms? Yeah. Vance did Martial Arts.
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>>43581519
That's a Merit, doofnut
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>>43581535
There are Martial Arts charms too!
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>>43581518
Yes, but Morke is dead.
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>>43581547
They don't count, they're not under Charms
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How does that charms which allows Infernal to send messages through astrology work?
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>>43580772
Mutants and masterminds
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>>43580772
Maid RPG
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>>43581629
It's basically creating a fake fate for himself, and you control what kind, so you can insert coded messages in it.
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I LIKE a lot of Ex3 and reading that post by Holden makes me want to stop playing it just to spite him.
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>>43581650
This is actually a pretty legit suggestion.
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>>43581662
Just coded or can it be just plain "lol I trol u"?
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>>43581663
I don't think Holden cares either way. Nobody plays an rpg because they want to be friends with Devs.
>>
How do you break Exalted 3e?
What is an optimal build look like in 3e?
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>>43581689
Coded, otherwise the pattern spiders would notice the anomalous fate, and the other person must know the code, because you communicate through fated events and it's not instinctive. The receiver must also have a way to view your fate.
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>>43581696

>How do you break Exalted 3e?

By making more supplements for it.

>>43581696

Supernal Melee
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>>43581696
>How do you break Exalted 3e?
Contextually.

You can build a character that hard-fucks a particular combatant in a particular combat setup, but that build's going to get fucked in other combat setups.

Even discounting the ways she's illegal, the Southpaw Empress, who could solo* Ahlat**, completely crumples against such exotic and rare combat strategies as "two guys at once."

>What is an optimal build look like in 3e?
Circumstantial.

Melee is probably the best "I want to invest in only one combat Ability ever with nothing else" choice.
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>>43581745
>>43581768

How does MA stack up to Melee this time around?
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>>43581785

MA gets weird tricks and hard punches that Melee doesn't; Melee gets better bread and butter and general applicability.

Melee would cut off its own nut to get the offense potential of Shining Point.
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>>43581696
We have already come pretty close:

Supernal Survival with a 3 dot Familiar dives you a T. rex you can mutate with wings and make even bigger and have your own pet mega-dragon

Resistance supernal has a steep buy in but basically makes you nigh invulnerable to anything less competent in combat than Alhat
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>>43581692
>Nobody plays an rpg because they want to be friends with Devs
No but they will stop buying them because the devs act like tools.
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>>43581812

Wouldn't Shining Point do the same to get the defence potential of Melee?
>>
Oh ye gods, check out the person who got banned for a month for telling the minus thread to pull their heads out of their collective ass.
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>>43581842
It's very hard to enjoy a lot of good or useful things, then, because a lot of them were made by tools.
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>>43581846

You can use Melee defense charms with shining point is the thing.
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>>43581846

Yes.

>>43581819
I do wish Familiar went to 5, since Tyrant Lizards are pretty obviously a league above Hellboars and Elephants, who are more obviously intended as Familiar 3s.

Supernal Resistance also has hard counters that literally anyone can pull off, and once they know about them, you'll never get it going again.
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>>43581890
>You can use Melee defense charms with shining point is the thing.
No you can't
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>>43581882
rpg.net is bad.
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>>43581895
You can attack with Shining Point, then defend with Melee. You just can't defend with both at the same time.
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>>43581882
this is rpg.net

it's a joke
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>>43581882
Only if you're aware that the creators are asshats.
I'm sure a lot of the things i like are produced by assholes but i'm mostly unaware.
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>>43581893

>Supernal Resistance also has hard counters that literally anyone can pull off, and once they know about them, you'll never get it going again.

What are these? What other abilities have hard counters?
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>>43581937
He's pulling shit out of his arse, disregard him
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How would you play a Supernal Investigator?
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>>43581937
>What are these?
Don't decisive until you're crashed and the only way you can get Aegis up and running is to throw yourself off a cliff or otherwise exploit the "use it in response to uncountable environmental damage" clause.

>What other abilities have hard counters?
To varying degrees of hard, Thrown hates when you survive its alpha strike, Archery hates when you get up close, and Brawl hates fighting more than one dude at a time or no-sell its Decisive flurry by tanking the first hit.
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>>43581980
Surely archery would love you getting up close as it doesnt need aim actions
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>>43581980

Nothing for Melee or Dodge, though?
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>>43582005
"close" as in "on your nuts where you lose a net 6 Accuracy," not "close" as in "in the medium/short-range sweet spot."
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>>43582005
Archery gets a penalty to attacking people in melee range.
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>>43582014
Melee is built to be the Solar of the combat abilities; best at everything with no real weaknesses
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>>43581964
Dig up dirt on political figures, track down mysterious killers like the one in Gloam.
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>>43581964
Watch Elementary or the Sherlock Holmes movies with RDJ.
Maaaaaaybe watch the BBC Sherlock show, if you can stomach Steven Moffat and his writing/Benedict Cumberbatch's face.
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>>43582014

Melee has no specific hardcounters, but it also doesn't do anything really spectacular either. It's the do-all ball of genericness it usually is.

Dodge wants to drag the fight out so that it can nickel and dime you for every bit of initiative it can waiting for you to flub an attack roll. If the fight's too short or quick, it never really gets going.
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It seems weird to me that regenrating health is so difficult for Solars, when it's the basic of the basics for about 1/4 of D&D classes. Why do the writers hate cure spells?
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>>43582072
It helps differentiate it from D&D, and establishes that actions will inevitably have consequences, either short or long term.
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>>43582072

In-combat healing being easily and repeatedly accessible would drag fights out forfuckingever, for one.

For two, Lunars.
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>>43582072

Being damaged in Exalted takes from your dice pool. Reversing that is a big deal.
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>>43581980
I thought Spirit Strengthens the Skin + Iron Kettle Body + Essence Gathering Temper + Armor still make it pretty hard to crash supernal Resistance without outspending them motewise. What is a cost effective way of crashing them?
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>>43581882

You mean the guy who posted a giant delusional rant? Gimme a fucking break
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>>43582072
Fuck heal spells. They don't fit Exalted. Being damaged in battle MATTERS in Exalted, and death is a very real possibility. A heal spell takes away much of the drama associated with fights being near death situations.

Only way to put them in should be Sorcery, but that's more focused on weird shit than straight up benefits.

>>43582088
What about Lunars?
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Holden's "explanation" is more obnoxious than the original comment. Bon mot? Witty comment my arse
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>>43582162
>What about Lunars?

They've historically gotten the only in-battle combat regeneration worth a fuck as one of their Things. It's what makes them (theoretically) terrifying, even moreso than turning into a bear.
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>>43582174
He wanted to make people salty, and backed off when people were getting waaay too salty. That's basically it.
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>>43582174
Explanation?
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>>43582260
rpg.net drama

and why it's being discussed earnestly on /tg/ of all places, I haven't got a clue.
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>>43582230
>backed off when people were getting waaay too salty
yeah, getting told to fix it by Rich had nothing to do with it
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>>43582275
Because we need something to talk about.
Don't want to end up like /tgesg/
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Talk to me about Martial Arts synergies, please.

What's good for a character that wants to survive difficult fights but not necessarily dish out huge damage?
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>>43582275

Because what one of the main designers is up to with regards to the game is a germane topic?
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>>43582290
You've been saying a lot of things lately, but I'd much rather believe you when you can actually prove, well, a single damned thing about it.
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>>43582174
>>43582275
Would you mind linking me to it? Or at least direct me to the thread in question?
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>>43582184

Alchemicals had great regeneration too, but the charm cost 12m to fucking use.
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>>43582345

<@Holden_EX3> Oh please don't fire me, I'll go on and apologize, I need this job slurp slurp
<RichT> That's right bitch, your ass belongs to me

HARD PROOF
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>>43582162
>Only way to put them in should be Sorcery, but that's more focused on weird shit than straight up benefits.

Such as?
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>>43582313
Any defensive charms in one of Dodge, Resistance, Melee, Stealth.
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>>43582345
ok holden
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>>43582313

Anything, basically. Tell us more about the character, what's his central concept? What's his ability spread?
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>>43582374
>>43582313

Crane is also a solid defensive option.
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>>43582313
3E MA doesn't really synergize between styles anymore.
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>>43582362
It does not make you fly, it makes a cloud to do it for you. It doesn't do a flamethrower like effect, it shoots a swarm of razor sharp butterflies that leave behind sharp glass shards after they're done. It doesn't make you send a telepathic message, it makes a six winged clay postal pigeon to deliver one. It doesn't make you tough, it turns your skin into literal bronze.


There are medical demons you can summon, sure, but they don't magically heal, they swim around in your insides like they are water and do actual surgery.
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>>43582353
Starts from http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?768985-Exalted-Why-is-Everyone-Praising-3e/page89&p=19548177#post19548177
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>>43582357
Halting the Scarlet Flow wasn't exactly cheap to use outside its Gift version either.
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>>43582374
>>43582387
>>43582389
Yeah, will probably have Resistance, maybe Stealth.

Wandering Zenith, think Qian Guanchang.

Itinerant, some social ability but it's not the focus. Performance for interacting with spirits.
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>>43582376
No, I'm Holden, Holden.
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>>43582359
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>>43582452
Get Occult if you're planning to interact with spirits.
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>>43581980
>Don't decisive until you're crashed

I'm not sure crashing Mr. Supernal Soak qualifies as a "hard-counter". It's like saying "just kill the fucker" is a hard-counter to Melee. You're describing the goal, not the process.
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>>43582476
Occult is useless unless you intend on killing them
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>>43582072
If Solars want regeneration, they'll have to use Sorcerous Workings to get it.
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>>43582491
That is interacting
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>>43582491
Occult is Lore for spirits and magic.
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>>43582491

The fact that you can fuck them if they decide to be cunts is exactly why you want the massive throbbing ghost-cock that is Occult.
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>>43582477

The difference is crashing him before he's got 10 more soak and functionally reduces minimum damage to 0 at no mote cost is a lot easier.

If he never gets Aegis up, his build never takes off into unassailable stupidity, it just operates at its intended degree of toughness: very, but not insurmountable.
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>>43582515
Read the charms, it's really just killing, trapping and seeing
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>>43582531
You also need to see them, that's a charm.

I didn't say you need the charms, you only need the actual ability.
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>>43582531

Read the Ability.

If you don't have any Occult, you're going to call a spirit niggerfaggot in the sixth tongue of the Fire Lords and your social rolls will be working uphill the entire way.
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>>43582566
So it's like Holden talking to the fanbase?
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>>43582577

Yes.

Do you want your Zenith to be the Holden of spirits, Anon?
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>>43582577
Exactly like that. Only reversed, he's the weird spirit that need Mundane the ability to talk like a normal person.
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So, we have to declare all Charm use before rollign dice. Does this mean that damage-enhancing Charms have to be declared before the attack roll rather than damage roll?
Also, during a flurry (magical or mundane) do I have to declare which Charms I activate for which attack before rolling dice for everyone of htem or do I declare on an attack-per-attack basis?
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>>43582613
Yes and per attack.
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>>43582613

Yes and the former.

If fucking Resistance has to declare before the attack roll, then every single aspect of an attack and flurry better have to. (Individual Charms excepted.)
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>>43582452

Ebon Shadow goes well with Stealth. If you pick up Athletics as a Caste ability, you'll have a solid footing for Tiger Style. Tiger and Ebon Shadow synergise nicely and share a form weapon. If you do this and branch into Sorcery, consider picking up Wood Dragon Claws as your Control Spell.
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>>43582440
Second post at http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?768985-Exalted-Why-is-Everyone-Praising-3e&p=19548974#post19548974

And latest http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?768985-Exalted-Why-is-Everyone-Praising-3e&p=19549113#post19549113
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>>43582684
so are we rpg.net general now?
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>>43582701

If you dont like it post something you feel is more relevant, your post complaining about it is only exacerbating the issue you're complaining about
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>>43582684
I kinda admit he has a point. The BP/XP thing is really a trivial thing not worth all this rumble.
Say, did he get in touch with us about Craft in that thread? That would be something worth discussing!
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>>43582701
we're just watching someone trying to quit without knowing how
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>>43582746
BP/XP is only an issue for people who want for it to be an issue.
BP lets you put the dots where you want while at the same time discouraging or outright denying the horrible abuse and one-note characters you can see in any flat-point buy-everything system like GURPS. I for one don't care if BP cheats me out of a few dozens XPs I had no real intention of using anywhere else at chargen anyway. I somehow learned to survive and thrive despite the horrible offense to math and equity BP represent.
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Huh. Tiger style feels more bearlike than cat/tigerlike.
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>>43582746

His only posts since his "return" seem to be about the BP/XP thing. Also a week or two ago he more or less said he wouldnt discuss Craft.
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>>43582814

Maybe you learned to survive it because you clearly dont understand it
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>>43582746
>I kinda admit he has a point. The BP/XP thing is really a trivial thing not worth all this rumble.
Sure. I mean it's a huge game design error, but fixing it is relatively trivial.

Just like your plumber not reconnecting the sink to the drain pipe.

>Say, did he get in touch with us about Craft in that thread? That would be something worth discussing!
Haha, no. He's not going to talk about it. He's actually said that.
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>>43582835
Did he give a reason as to why he won't discuss crafting?
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>>43582862
>Just like your plumber not reconnecting the sink to the drain pipe.
Is it really that serious?
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>>43582746
>He has a point
>BP/XP is trivial
And yet Holden never said that.
Holden's point was that BP/XP is good and people who don't like it are fools.
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>>43582928
>Is it really that serious?
It is for him.

For the rest of us, we just went "eh, it's like 500xp, ok that works" and off we went.
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>>43582928
It is also that easy for the person running the game to correct.
However, we (ostensibly) paid someone else to do this job and should not have to house rule a product so supported and so long in development.
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>>43582912
Well, I actually took the time to read them for the first time and I kinda see why he wouldn't discuss them.
You can't start working on the artifact of your dreams without spending a whole story crafting and selling three dozen whhelbarrows (you can't jsut toss them into the sea, gotta sell them to get xp), three different kind of beans and two/three bean cans to track, no rule given at all for superior projects that are not artifacts, completing an artifact is down to the luck of the dice or throwing an even more massive amount of XP at it...

This is easily the weakest point in the whole book, but it's fine, every RPG has its weakness. But we were promised the stars and got this pile of dung. Coupled with the attitude it seems to me like it would be good to not support this line anymore.
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>>43582987
But, what needs correcting?
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>>43583018
Chargen.
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>>43583050
That's like saying "Green" to "What is that?"
Okay, I can see that it's green. But what is it?
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>>43583088
Rancid compost. Or algal blooms. Vomit, really.
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>>43583106
>Green vomit
What
I'm fairly sure mine's mostly, what, yellowish browny stuff of some kind?
But anyway, what is wrong with charge?
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>>43583018
What people dislike about the BP/XP system is that it leads to characters having wildly different XP "net worth".

As a thought experiment, take 2 characters with the same favored, caste and supernal abilities, but very different BP expenditures, and compare how much xp you'd to make them 100% equal. One will need much less xp for that than the other. See >>43580022 pic related for how big the swings can be.
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Is there a section with some example specialties in the backer copy?
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>>43583140
You should look here >>43580022

If this doesn't explain it, I don't have time to teach you Algebra.
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>>43583220
No.

Think of a specific subset of what the Ability is for and go with that.

Like Melee (Swording) or Sail (Hazard Navigation) or Performance (Dance).
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>>43583220
Nope. There is a section on what is a valid specialty. Melee (Swords) is valid, though, I remember that.
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>>43583198

That's only one problem. The other problem is that it forces you into a particular mould, if you want to Be All You Can Be.

Once you run the maths, you realise that if you want to end up with say, 5/5/3 in physical attributes and X,Y,Z charms, then starting with 5/5/1 will get you there significantly faster than 5/3/3.

Basically, the system guarantees that min-maxed characters end up more powerful, more quickly than balanced characters, which results in people having to compromise their starting character concept due to system maths. Or just suck more than they have to.
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>>43580022

The rule of thumb I always gave our players was that if you ever intended to get an ability to 5 dots, buy them in chargen with BP. And always go with 5/5/1,5/3/1, 5/1/1 and buy them up later.

That graphic seems to validate that advice. The only instances of significantly higher XP/BP are pretty niche.
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>>43583429
That's a mostly minmaxing problem, so I'm not bothered by it, because I'm not going to minmax and will tell my players not to, either.
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>>43583429
>>43583476

Honestly? If you begin with 5/1/1 or any 1 for that matter (that's not a intended character flaw) training times alone are going to screw you seven ways to sunday. It's not only about dice pools, but what your character is. 1 appearance? You're quite ugly and you're going to suffer for that. 1 wits? You're so slow Holden could eat his feet trice before you could think about it. Gods forbid you get a 1 in STR or INT.

Basically, if you really wanna minmax so much that your exalted has 4 1s in his stats you're playing with some kind of disabled autistic kid with super stuff. As a DM, you would suffer for that.

THAT BEING SAID, the only problem with giving XP at chargen it how much it slows things down if you don't want to game the system. Spending 15 BP is considerably easier than tracking 60~90xp at once (ballparking 4~6xp per BP).
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>>43583516
Yeah, the whole problem with chargen is that's it a minigame that you can "win". But if none of your players minmax or everyone does it then it's not that big of a problem.
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