I don't trust men to rescue princesses without ulterior

You could have shortened that to:
>I don't trust men

>>43458308

The ulterior motive is gold, land, prestige, and/or the favor of a monarch, you moranus.

Wait, are you telling me all the other knights have been galavanting about rescuing all the princesses before I could get to them, and they've been doing it for FREE?!

>>43458308
>I don't trust men to rescue princesses without ulterior motives.
Do you trust men at all? Do you trust anyone to rescue princesses? And why ulterior motives?

>>43458308
>Implying the Lady Knight wouldn't fuck either.

Are you implying that lady knights aren't all lesbians?

The only time a lady knight isn't a massive dyke is if she met the only man knight that can put the lesbian in her place, or she has sworn celibacy.
Or she's addicted to Orc dick.

>>43458347
How does a weapon like this even work?

>>43458365
>dem female knight orc gangrape doujins

Delicious.

>>43458379

Multi-headed flails are actual historical weapons.

>>43458379
With significantly shorter chains and a slightly longer handle.

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>>43458361
>those arms

How can she even lift the spear? Don't get me wrong, I like female warriors, but she ain't doing nothing to an enemy in that shape.

>>43458384
Never enough femOrc on male.

>>43458402

Yet so many monstergirl ones...

INJUSTICE

#greenlivesmatter

>>43458400
Clearly she is actually an elf infiltrator.

>>43458400
You can get surprisingly strong without getting too big.
t. someone who went from benching the bar to 200lbs with minimal different in arm size

>>43458413

Now there's a face you can trust.

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Am I doing it right, your grace?

>>43458426

That's a guy. The artist just draws really feminine men and armor. There's a picture right next to it of a clearly male knight with a buzz mohawk wearing slender, shapely suit of plate. His females also have the typical bright, clear skin and plastic surgery perfect looks of South Korea/2D.

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The wizard is actually a polymorphed Lolich.

>>43458429
On top of that, women don't bulk up the same way men do

>>43458447
What's that on the ground?

>>43458458
Grass?

>>43458458
I would assume snow and withered plants.

>>43458429
>started out only being able to bench a 40-50 lbs par
>maxes out at 200 lbs with zero gains

That's actually kind of sad. I experienced huge gains when I started at about 120-140 lbs and hit 200 lbs. Are you a female by chance? If you're a guy you should have gotten a bigger chest and arms/forearms by at least a little bit, unless you started out huge already, which can't be true since you couldn't even lift any weights on the bar. Maybe you shed fat so you seem thinner? Or you simply got used to your gradual gains.

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>>43458308

>>43458471
Male, natural t-rex mode. Even ate a balanced, relatively healthy bulking diet. When I realized how far I'd gotten and how little of it showed up on my body, it was really disheartening. I didn't expect huge beefy gains by then, but I at least wanted my arms to look normal. Haven't lifted in about a year and fell back into my lower-calorie eating habits so I've pretty much lost most of what gains I had. Trying to get back on the horse though.

>Implying female knights won't at least occasionally be viable love interests to the princess
>Implying there won't be at least one guy who gets butthurt about this because muh dick or muh het romance

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>>43458487
>mfw I know ladies like Gwendoline actually exist out there, but that I'll likely never meet one, let alone be rescued from the bbeg by one.

>>43458308
I'd culturally enrich that humie

>>43458429
yeah, but you're probably a manlet
Strength =/= sustained lifting

>>43458429
I know, I was the same, but females still get at least a little bicep bulge when they train hard and focus on upper body. That girl is like a straight up pencil.

>>43458616
5'11"

>>43458623
>shortened skirt for some reason
The fuck?

>>43458611

With your steaming, exotic dick, right?

>>43458637
no, with the surprisingly complex courting rights of my people

>>43458624

It's crazy how skinny petite girls' arms are. They must have stick figures for skeletons. Like I can nearly wrap my index finger and thumb around their arm.

>>43458636
Fashion statement.

>>43458645
>surprisingly complex courting rights

Waving your flopping dick all over the place and slapping people in the face with it doesn't seem too complex to me.

>>43458443
>why do people keep drawing fantasy characters as looking good?
>THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO LOOK GOOD, ITS FANTASY! WAKE UP SHEEPLES!

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>>43458563
But anon, you can join her as a loyal servant!
So longer as you can pass blaster inspection and she doesn't find a behelit.

>>43458592
wait, was wielding a scabbard in one hand and a blade in the other a viable combat strategy? iirc that was a technique

>>43458664
Yes, but the art of it is in how well you do it, a good ole dickslapping can be a majestic experience.

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>>43458443

>>43458711
>implying that's what I was saying at all

Pointing out that the guy's drawn males look good and his drawn females look beautiful is extremely relevant to that post.

>>43458719
>20 minute argument over whether the dick slaps should come in between each loud squawk, or simultaneously

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In my younger /b/tard days, I'd spam this thread with the "Big dick problems" comics.

But as a mature fa/tg/uy, I'll play along and post a cute knight grill instead.

>>43458562
She'd still eventually get dicked just so their can be heirs to the throne.

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>>43458798
Not necessarily!

>>43458630
Can nazi's be knights?

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>>43458715
if it wasn't attached to you, and you'd left your shield at home, sure I don't see why not

>>43458682
Perfectly good sword on her hip and she goes and ruins the barrel alignment using it like a billy club.

>>43458835
There isn't always time. Considering the accuracy then I don't think it'd make much difference.

>>43458715
Theres tons of styles that use a modified form to make room for that. its just a stick though and unless it has some bandings or its made entirely of metal it won't be blocking much and the hefty would be lack luster. Most i've seen is jabs and foot fowling to keep the opponent off balance.

>>43458835

Women, huh?

>>43458365
Being an "exception" for a lesbian is one of the most satisfying feelings.

>>43458807
Sooooo.... Kill the kingdom and let many people die so people, one who's purpose is to ensure the further safety of the previously mentioned people, can live happily ever after? Thats kind of selfish/genocidal.

>>43458899
Read the ending. The marriage ended up not being necessary.
>That's kind of genocidal
I don't think you know what that means.

>>43458636
Dude's shin-length coat will impede his movement, even more because he's got the bottom belt buckled. His female counterpart has less material to obstruct her stride and she made the smart choice to leave that bottom belt unbuckled. In a duel between these two, she'd dance rings around the guy, either stabbing him in the back or waiting until he falls down and then stab him in the back.

>>43458911
I read it. They stopped ONE siege. In an entire war. The war that apparently needed the help of the duke for them to survive or else the king wouldn't marry his daughter, a valuable political asset, off to his son. You're right though. I should have went with willingly mass-murdery.

>>43458935
>I should have went with willingly mass-murdery.
Still not the proper term shaking my head to be honest family

>>43458808
But she's fighting against the Empire that Hitler made, anon. Does that sound like a Nazi to you?

>>43458845
The speed of drawing your sword is greater than the speed of flipping your gun around and winding up a swing to deliver a blow capable of the degree of gore created. That is to say that in no situation would you ever be advantaged to hit with the butt of a rifle in the degree shown in the picture, being that it would be both quicker and deadlier to produce your sword and run the other through, or start hacking.

>>43458947
Wait. I thought hitler was the guy that made civilization and then started slaving the other races who the evil god is patroning in the grudge match between good and evil and she's supporting that civ while the samurai, warlord, archers, and raped elves were being patroned by the good god who supported the anti-hitler movement. >>43458959

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>>43458365
>if she met the only man knight that can put the lesbian in her place
Sounds like someone has had issues with rejection.
Can't blame the lesbians though, women are beautiful and you are probably passable on your best day.

>>43458702
Badass warrior grandma?
Fuckin saved

>>43458713
>>oh she's cute
>>pointed elf ears

boy.

>>43458987

Quality of life tier:

Attractive Female > Attractive Male > Average Male >= Average Female > Unattractive Male >>> Unattractive Female

>>43458980
... I forget, it's been a while since I read Drifters. Still, it's Joan of Arc, so, I guess she could count as a knight anyways?

>>43459051
Yeah. I was just wondering if nazi's even do knighting.

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>>43458987
Anon, don't you understand?

I am a white knight.

>>43458308
>women can't have ulterior motives
Sexist.

Its funny when you think about the fact that men tend to do things many times without even thinking about it - like getting in danger to save a damsel cause she is there.
And then you compare it to women who as a gender are Known for -always- having ulterior motives. Quite literally, when a woman does something, its because she wants it to lead to X other things.

>>43459142
Its the Boxes and String psychology at play.

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>>43458308
>>keep princesses pure
I want the pure fags to go back to /a/

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>>43458308
>I don't trust men to rescue princesses without ulterior motives.
Seriously? Fucking seriously? All I ask is for one fetish, ONE MEASELY FETISH, to remain untouched by tumblr. Is that really too fucking much to ask? Can't we have ladyknights who, radically enough, are motivated by love for justice rather than hatred for men? Fucking hell, I don't know whether I should cry or vomit.

>>43459671
It can only hurt you if you let it. Enjoy your ladyknights of justice and take comfort in knowing that tumblr can't control your imagination.

...yet.

>>43458308
Poor, poor naive and deluded you...

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>>43459671
You seem buttblasted.

>>43459467
You mean /u/.

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So blonde is the universal hair color of female knights?

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>>43460061
yes.

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>>43460089

Not always

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>>43460061
>My ultimate fetish is brunettes in knight armor
>they are all blond

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>>43460126
Put the helmet on them, then they're all brunette... and female. Know who's usually a brunette, black knights.

>>43458308
>muh p/u/re love!
Yuriturds are the worst

you know what? I kinda wish more d&d settings didn't simply accept women warriors so easily. Then I could rp as a woman who's trying to live outside of the role society has determined for her gender. Instead, I'd just roll up a female character, the dm might notice it says 'f' next to gender on the character sheet, and then we'd move on to mindlessly killing some goblins.

It also sort of trivializes all of the historical women who dressed as men in order to serve in the military.

I understand it. It's not like the table top community needs any more reasons to make women feel unwelcome without actually playing in the "-4 str setting". Oh well.

>>43460641
>d&d settings
Have you tried not playing a DnD setting? Like a homebrew setting?

>>43460670

Have you been in a homebrew setting where society has rules against "warrior women"?

>>43460692

>society has rules against "warrior women"?

Triggered

>>43458345
>asian knight
triggered

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>>43460641
>Not penalizing people for playing what they want in a game of pretend is bad
>Stronk ladies in pretend game makes us real ladies look bad

Stop shitposting while high, cunt.

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>>43460089
based Agrias

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>>43460864
Her sister?

>>43460812
Believe it or not but some people prefer their pre modern settings to make sense.

The only shitposter here is you.

>homebrew setting

Triggered

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The hard thing about being a female elf knight is being taken seriously as a knight by men and as an elf by humans in general.

Humans act like we elves are good for only one thing. Fetching firewoord, I mean.

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>>43460897
>be in image thread on image board
>posting shit opinions
>posting shit

lel

>>43460990
Its kinda hard to take someone seriously when their sword's weight makes them fall over when they swing. Also where's that damned firewood? its been 2 hours already. Get lost? I thought you wood elves grew up in places like this.

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>>43458365

>>43460995
That anon's opinion isn't shit though. It's understandable to want some world-building with regards to things like gender roles.

Calm yer tits.

>>43458308
>lesbians don't ever

I can't begin to. You dumb.

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>>43461008
Stop being rude, round-ear. The sword is made with a special elven technique that allows me to wield it easily. And that firewood? We're not all wood elves! I was raised in the city!

>ladyknights

lol fantasy

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>>43461033
Are you implying men can't be princesses?

>>43461044
Yeah yeah yeah. Maybe if you spent time on forms rather than bathes and sniffing flowers then you wouldn't be falling all over yerself. Also you're a WOOD elf. Whether ya grew up in the streets ain't my business but that means you're better at finding wood.

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>>43461089
Well yeah

>>43461101
Only if they're PRETTY princesses. We gotta have some standards y'know.

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>>43461101
Fact is boys make the best princesses.

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>>43461102
>you're better at finding wood.

>>43461102
Judging from the one between your legs, she's damn good at it, pal!

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>>43458308

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>>43461016
It's almost like I'm just being an asshole as an excuse to post more armored ladies in response to what is probably bait, and not because the "realism in a fantasy setting" is tired argument at this point because there isn't just two binary states of realism or no realism, and not because there's already room to be accommodating for setting changes built into most rpg rulesets, and not because there's usually someone in charge of making up the settings of a game that you can talk to and plan with to make the game more interesting for everyone.

Nope. Post moar armorwaifus.

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>>43461102
It's nice to smell good, you should try it sometime. And not all elves are wood elves!

>>43461133
>>43461134
Rude! RUDE!

>>43461133
Why do ya think we keep her around?
-winkwink/

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>>43461161
Best girl, best knight, best saint.

>>43461163
>paragraph of rationalization
just post pics, anon

>>43461184
>best knight,
Best figurehead, you mean.

Does anyone find the word 'ladyknight' really gross? I'm not against female knights or anything, but I just associate it with fetishfags or something. It reminds me of some of the gross-out DD/LG slang like 'squishies' and 'cummies' and shit.

It's just a knight, yo.

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>>43458308

>>43461208
No. Its a female knight or lady(as in m'lady) knight.

>>43461224
Lady knight or female knight doesn't seem as bad to me. It's the combined word, I just find it really gross. Like it's being posted by a super white knight fedora dude, I can't really explain it too well I guess.

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>>43461187

I certainly intend to, shit-postmaster.

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>>43461204
Leading an army is not the same as being a figurehead. There is no need to be upset, my English friend.

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>>43461224
>lady(as in m'lady) knight.
Oh my

>Pure
Yuri propaganda!
girls loving girls is not pure!

>>43461241
keep projecting, but keep it brief

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>>43461220

>>43458365
That's an odd way of saying the only good reason for a ladyknight to not be a lesbian is if she has a healer boy to bully

>>43461208
Yeah. Largely because 'ladyknight' is used by the faggots who post these same shitty threads.

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>>43461264
>Not posting best Saber

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>>43461163
This is pure autism.

>i'm ironically shitposting so it's ok that I was wrong!

>>43461274
Yeah, I think that's it. These threads invariably descend into yuri kekolding or femdom, so I just know the people posting the term are actually whacking it rather than giving a shit about cool female knight characters.

>>43461242
>Leading an army
Hue. She was with them, sure, but was never in charge.

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>>43461274
Considering we're on 4chan, ladyknight is most likely a literal translation of "onna kishi", which Chinese cartoons use to refer to female knights. "Lady" is an official title after all, used in place of "sir" for female knights IRL.

The term "ladyknight" makes perfect sense.

>>43461291
>so I just know the people posting the term are actually whacking it rather than giving a shit about cool female knight characters
Have you ever considered NOT posting in these threads?

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>>43461261

You're really bad at this, man. Fraud detected.

It's like you hate women or something.

>>43461291
Probably because, and I mean this politely, it's hard to have real "cool" female knight characters because the occupation is identified as being a masculine one.

>>43461312
>bad at this
i wonder what you've invented in your head "this" to be

>>43461242
She actually was just a figurehead though. Pretending otherwise means you are putting modern gender politics before historical fact. Something for which there is never an excuse.

>>43461249
Sorry jim. you're the prettiest one for miles. You're a lady.

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>>43461163
>armorwaifus
What about girls on armour?

>>43461355
those are some foxy girls

>>43458748
>implying that any woman would make it to the rank of knight in crazy-ass Kirkwall after the shitshow that was Meredith

>>43461310
>Have you ever considered NOT posting in these threads?
I like the idea of the threads! I don't like that they tend to become super fetishy. I suppose that's a lot to hope for on 4CHAN DOT ORG though.

>>43461321
I totally disagree. Even in apocryphal IRL history you have people like Tomoe Gozen, Khawlah bint al-Azwar, Hervor, Olga of Kiev, Pingyang, Isabel of Conches, Khutulun, etc.

While these individuals are often not knights or do not live in a society with knights as we know them in the West, they're of noble rank and either fight or command armed combat. There are plenty of historical analogues (often of ambiguous historicity, sure) who could be considered/inspiration for knightly characters.

>>43461335
Looking through the Wikipedia section on her military escapades, the only actual things she seems to have done are: Carry a flag
Come up with a successful plan once
Warn a duke about a cannonball
Get hit in the head by a rock and live
Send threatening letters

If this had been done by an ordinary French soldier, ie a man who hadn't been claiming he was hearing the voice of God, nobody would have given a shit.

>>43461381
Wasn't there that Spanish lot that successfully defended their town after all the men had bailed?

>>43461381
>there's a bunch of exceptions
Ayup, and that's all they are.

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>>43461292
>>43461335
>Decided many strategic decisions
>A figurehead
There's no need to be upset. And then there's
>Accepting Jeanne's widely reported and agreed on impact on the Hundred Years War
>In any way, shape or form related to modern gender politics
>Implying tumblr inspired Napoleon to make her a national hero

>>43461355
I see armor, I see waifus, hence I see armorwaifus

>>43461310
>ladyknight is most likely a literal translation of "onna kishi"
I'm aware of the term, but being the insufferable kind of weeaboos who must translate everything 1:1 is arguably even worse

>"Lady" is an official title after all, used in place of "sir" for female knights IRL.
Using sirknight would be as stupid as ladyknight.

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>>43461281
But Nero really doesn't wear armor. Shielder on the other hand...

>>43461397
I don't know where you're coming from to be honest anon. Like "that's all they are"? What does that even mean?

There are exceptions which basically are, as you put it, "cool" female knight characters, so there is inspiration there. I'm not sure why there being less examples means it's somehow not valid to use in games.

>>43461386
That is because these people are desperate to dredge up and glorify every single example of a woman who took part in warfare in any capacity.

For some reason they find history offensive.

>>43461394
Order of the Hatchet. Then again, historically this wasn't extraordinary. When shit hits the fan and there is no hope of escape, everyone's a soldier. Women just have the luxury of being the last line of defense, as in the line that's almost never used and doesn't even come up in military analysis.

>>43459096
Girls don't want white knights as anythong but pawns, they want that asshole who's super charming to put them in place and pamper them with love while they do it

>>43458563

My favorite author says it best, really.

> The strategy of alluring a sexually aggressive woman by coy and amorous teasing and batting the eyelashes, so that she throws the man over her shoulder like a female Tarzan and carries him off to a floral bower for dangerously passionate ravishment makes the man weak and comical, a joke akin to Bugs Bunny wearing a dress.
> There is a reason why Superman rescuing Lois Lane remains a charming and beloved center of their myth even after more than half a century, whereas no one remembers or cares to remember any scenes of Wonder Woman rescuing Steve Trevor. The stark fact is that a healthy woman admires and should admire strength in her man, including when such strength sweeps her up in his arms. She should be delighted even if she is offended when Tarzan throws her over his shoulder, or her bridegroom carries her across the threshold. A man should not admire physical strength in women, because this is not a characteristic that differentiates the sexes for him.
> The sexes are opposite, and culture should exaggerate the complimentary opposition by artifice in order to increase our joy in them, including artifices of dress and speech: when women dress and speak and act like men, some joy is erased from both sexes.

>>43459467
What is the obsession with being a girl's first?

>>43461406
>but being the insufferable kind of weeaboos who must translate everything 1:1 is arguably even worse
Propose an alternate translation

>>43461406
>Using sirknight would be as stupid as ladyknight.
As opposed to "sir knight", which is a valid way to adress a knight?

>>43461405
>Decided many strategic decisions
>many
[citation needed] frogman.

>>43461424

It's a fetish thing. Don't look too hard into it.

>>43461435
Yes. You don't go around call them sir knights, but in context calling someone "sir knight" in actual speech or "lady knight" is fine.

>>43461435
>Propose an alternate translation
slap a space in there, porkchop

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>>43461407

>>43461417
Never said it wasn't valid. It's fantasy so who cares. But the practice itself is a masculine one and the exceptions you listed don't change that, or you wouldn't be listing them.

>>43461426
>the tiny cat

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>>43461432
>What is the obsession with being a girl's first?

Nothing important, just some shit only neckbeards worry about like
>Marital stability
>Proof of loyalty/temperance
>Security of (future) paternity
>Desire to be free of STDs

When will these desperate losers man up and realize that a criminal record is a valid reason not to hire a woman for certain professions but a slutty history is no reason not to share the rest of your life with her?

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>>43461432
it's silly

>>43461470

It means that a girl loves you enough to save her first time for you. Used goods are second or third-rate at best. A virgin is a woman you can love first and foremost: A woman who isn't is someone you want to fuck.

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>>43461355
I'd have probably filed that one in "catgirls", but then I'm terrible at organizing things. >>43461405
makes a fair point, though.

>>43461332
A string of mediocrity.

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>>43461407
I found an image of Saber Extra in armor, not sure if its what we are discussing.

>>43461495
>this is a string of mediocrity
>I'm bad at it
Thanks, I wouldn't want to be mediocre. Still don't get your shitposting though, sorry.

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>>43461466
This person has some cool art.

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>>43461527

>>43458882
>Being an "exception" for a lesbian is one of the most satisfying feelings.

Yeah, it really sounds like one of those teenage fantasies people jerk to on hip happening sites like xVideo or Youporn.

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>>43461547

>>43461561
derpface

>>43461386
Well Joan of Arc did lead her army in 13 battles, having a decisive victory in 9 of them. I'm curious why people actively try to undermine her contributions, like not even begrudgingly accepting she actually planned, positioned, and led armies. Everytime I see her brought up in /tg/ the her contributions go from her being a knight, to being a commander, to just carrying a banner and nothing more. Even though the people of her era, ally and enemy acknowledged her as a soldier and commander. I've never seen any other military commander so scrutinized by /tg/

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What about a female barbarian in the party?

>>43461582
>lead her army
Again, didn't lead. It was other people's armies, she was just a standard-bearer.

>>43461582
>go from her being a knight, to being a commander, to just carrying a banner and nothing more.
She did brag about only ever carrying a banner into battle. Hard to knight without a sword.

>>43461590
http://www.scottmanning.com/content/joan-of-arc-military-successes-and-failures/

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>>43459671

Anon, look at it this way.

You're getting upset by a single thread on a Chucklefuck Macaroni Art Website. Do you want a female knight motivated by justice? Make one in a campaign you're actually a part of, or DM a campaign featuring a justice-loving female knight. There are lots of things that /tg/ jerks to that I find reprehensible, but you don't see me getting upset because what will that accomplish?

>>43461600
>scott manning
I have no idea of this man's credentials. I think I'll trust Wikipedia over him.

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>>43461582
>I've never seen any other military commander so scrutinized by /tg/
The Hundred Years War is a touchy subject in general here. I've seen people seriously, without trolling, argue that the English won.

>>43461590
>It was other people's armies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_of_Arc#Rise
>The extent of her actual military participation and leadership is a subject of debate among historians. On the one hand, Joan stated that she carried her banner in battle and had never killed anyone,[39] preferring her banner "forty times" better than a sword;[40] and the army was always directly commanded by a nobleman, such as the Duke of Alençon for example. On the other hand, many of these same noblemen stated that Joan had a profound effect on their decisions since they often accepted the advice she gave them, believing her advice was Divinely inspired.[41]
Calling her just a standardbearer and nothing else is a gross simplification.

>>43461599
>She did brag about only ever carrying a banner into battle.
Quite a few military commanders in history never personally killed an opponent.

>>43461424

Who's the writer?

>>43461605
>There are lots of things that /tg/ jerks to that I find reprehensible, but you don't see me getting upset because what will that accomplish?
not him but i'd like to hear you voice your complaints

>>43461590
There are accounts of her directing her army, dictating the placements of troops and cannons and prioritizing targets. Sure her tactics aren't subtle, or Subutai tier but she was infact the commander and leader of the armies afforded to her by either Charles VII or her own volunteers.

>>43461622
>On the other hand, many of these same noblemen stated that Joan had a profound effect on their decisions since they often accepted the advice she gave them, believing her advice was Divinely inspired.
On the third flipper, she was extremely popular at the time, and it might not have been the wisest decision to be the only guy at court saying 'she's an idiot who won't shut up when I'm trying to plan'.

>>43461424
This is misogynistic and disgusting. It's full of stereotypes and reinforces the scientifically inaccurate binary gender myth.

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>>43461570

>>43461625

John C. Wright.

>>43461582
Because people with some form of political agenda keep using her as an example of a female warrior.

To try and prove they were something other than extremely rare and for good reason.

>>43461618
>Casts out whatever contradicts what they want to believe without consideration
Okay, bro.

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>>43461648

>>43458429
>t.
what does this even mean

>>43461647

I don't know. I look at some people's fetishes, and I just wonder. I don't get the whole thing about wanting to be dominated by strong women. Is it an Oedipian thing?

>>43461656
>expects me to believe some random blog
Sure thing lad. Can't help but notice you've not said a thing about this man's authority on the matter.

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>>43461660

>>43461424

I've never even heard of Steve Trevor.

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>>43461424

I did say Gwendoline (the actress) and not Brienne (the character). Every time I've run into some account of the actress, people comment on how incredibly girly she is. Loves the shit out of dresses and makeup, apparently.

Also I'd say that dude is on the mark when it comes to find enjoyment in opposites, but off on the rest.

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>>43461691

>>43461654
The detractors have just as much of an agenda as the proponents

>>43461631

>Lewd Elves
>/tg/'s obsession with Kobolds
>Dragon discussions turning into inevitable vore or "spelunking."
>Obsession with builds over concepts, and when concepts are brought up they're dumb "anime" crap

There are probably more but I'd have to see the conversation to know whether it makes me bilious or not.

>>43461701

To be fair, Brienne is fuck-ugly. Like, in the books, she's so ugly that Jaime can bathe naked with her and feel no flicker of interest. (While he does get aroused when Pia is around in Book 5, even though she's had her teeth smashed out.)

>>43461711
I pretty much agree with these. Except I'll admit that I enjoy a good lewd elf thread now and then.

>>43461720
I feel like GRRM chickened out by not having Brienne get raped. So many awful things happen to literally everyone but she gets an out.

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>>43461424
What a flaming faggot.

>>43461720
>Like, in the books, she's so ugly that Jaime can bathe naked with her and feel no flicker of interest

Jaime actually popped a boner from her though.

>>43461731

I actually liked that she didn't get raped. Like, there's always a little hope in her quest, you see? As if she's going to accomplish something. Then the ending has the cruelest joke of all.

>>43461745

I thought that was Pia, in A Dance With Dragons.

>>43461756
Fair enough, hope is acceptable.

Did anyone else go full Lannister reading the books? I started out thinking Starks or Targs must be the "good guys", or even Stannis the mad, but by the end of book 3 Tywin had me going full lion.

>>43461642
>On the third flipper, she was extremely popular at the time
You're tying the horse in front of the cart here. Did commanders allow her to influence her decision making because she was popular, or was she popular because commanders acknowledged her decision making?

She was quite literally a peasant with nothing to her name, up until the relief of Orleans she could easily have been disposed of and nobody would bat an eye at it.

>>43461779

Not really. The thing about the series is that it's easy to like the characters while hoping for horrible things to happen to them. Like, Tomem is a good kid, but I can't wait for him to die. Similarly, I don't really want the Starks to 'win', because I don't want Jon to do the fantasy hero thing. I want it all to tumble down.

>>43461705
Except 'stop making shit up because history and biology offend you' is obviously a better 'agenda' than trying to pretend women are as strong as men and that they were commonly warriors in history.

Facts are more important than modern gender politics.

>>43461756
>I thought that was Pia, in A Dance With Dragons.

Nope, Jaime popped a boner in the bathhouse at Harrenhal when he got a full-frontal of Brienne., way back in Book 3.

I don't know if he got a boner from Pia, but I do remember he encouraged his squire to "fuck her gentle."

>>43458308
In my age men were warriors and women were wizards, not the other way around

>>43461791
>than trying to pretend women are as strong as men and that they were commonly warriors in history.

You don't have to pretend about that anymore, since they discovered female graves with swords it's now becoming accepted history that Viking raiders were ~50% women.

>>43461784

The "Did she actually do anything" argument could equally be applied to every other successful war leader in history really.

If she did nothing, why do you think the English were so eager to murder her?

(maybe cause she successfully turned the entire campaign around and smashed multiple English armies?)

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>>43461803

>>43461424
>quotes John Wright
You miss the 60s really bad don't you?
Or is it Levitical times where women were property and outsiders of all stripes were killed by the law?

>>43461791

Precisely. That's why we got to acknowledge that their have been women through out history who fought successfully, both physically and tactically.

>>43461807
Also they were 50% muslim, trust me.

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>>43461787
Maybe it's just because I loved reading about the War of the Roses as a kid, but I thought an ending where the Lannisters squeak out a win with Tommen or some cousin on the throne and Westeros reduced to ashes would be great. I suppose I like that the Lannisters are somewhat honest in their "give no shits" attitude about getting things done. Starks were stupid good, Dany is just boring now, and the last Baratheon is a nutcase.

Funny how the civil war plot is ten times more interesting than "le fantasy ebil dark ice creatures" plot beyond the wall. Although that said I do love reading about the Night's Watch itself.

>>43458320
Grizzled and looking adjusted to actual combat. Best kind of lady knight.

>>43461828

Sure, just not in any significant numbers.

>>43461842
And I'd fuck her, too.

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>>43461812

>>43461807
No, its not. The only people who 'accept' that are delusional political extremists.

Give actual evidence that women were a common participant in raids, let alone '50%'. Swords being found in graves proves nothing, Scandinavian women were expected to defend their homes while men were away.

And no matter how much you jerk off to female warriors men will still be much, much stronger than women. And always have been.

>>43461831

Nothing rustles my jimmies more than that "PoC in Europe" tumblr, which only bugs me because people are *actually* listening to it and *actually* altering their world-view.

>>43461828
As a tiny, tiny minority of soldiers.

What I do not understand is this childish obsession with female warriors or the fact you get called a sexist for not compromising a setting to include them as a normal thing.

>>43461858
She doesn't look confident in those clothes.

>>43461807
Actually, those graves were settlers.
Not actual viking raiders.
Women held positions of influence and legal standing in old Norse cultures, but we don't have much solid on actual composition of groups that went a viking.

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>>43461647
It does reinforce stereotypes, but unfortunately there's a grain of truth in it. Reversing the stereotype creates something that reads differently from the original, due to the traditional social gender roles involved. While the female damsel in distress was praised for her beauty and innocence, the male is mocked for his lack of strength. You can reverse the roles within the story, but reversing them in the minds of the readers is far more difficult and takes a master writer. It's far easier to go along with and play off audience expectations then to try to change the way they think.

The way they think may indeed need changing, don't get me wrong. But this is one example of just how deeply ingrained those ways are. It's not as easy to undo as simply flipping the gender roles of old stereotypes.

>>43461791
Nobody is ignoring it, or mentioning it with Joan of Arc. I have no doubts about her swinging a banner instead of a sword, but that doesn't stop people from trying to over simply what she did and continue to undermine what she did. The detractors are conveniently ignoring that the people of her time saw her, and acknowledged that what she was, was a soldier and commander to push this narrative of "modern gender politics screwing up history" when they themselves are doing the same thing.

>>43458449
Fuckin' mages, am I right?

>>43461720
>>43461745
>>43461756
>>43461796
I don't read/watch GoT/ASoFaI but holy shit, does the author really spend this much time describing who does and doesn't pop a boner under what circumstances?

>>43461865
>>43461884
Is there a biological reason women aren't supposed to be warriors? People are equal so I don't really get it.

>>43461902
That's a man, man.

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>>43461891
>Actually, those graves were settlers.

You think that's going to change the popular image of what this evidence suggests?

Because the societal view and historical view of an event or individual has always been identical, right/

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>>43461618
Not even that guy but are you guys ACTUALLY using wikipedia as a source?

>>43461167
Eves are just magically adept humans with long ears and longer life times, but that's a problem with all fantasy races. Small human (halfling), small digger human (dwarves), tall ugly brutish human (orcs), tall lithe magic human (elves)

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>>43461917
That's the joke. Also Astolfo looks too goddamn ambiguous.

>>43461907
>does the author really spend this much time describing who does and doesn't pop a boner under what circumstances?

He actually spends more time describing tasty food.

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>>43461911
>People are equal
Legally, not biologically. This is biology 101. Men have testosterone, women do not. Men are bigger and taller than women. Men have narrower hips which gives them more stability. Men have broader shoulders which gives them more upper body strength.

>>43461935
>Men have testosterone, women do not.

Some women have testosterone, and some men have very masculine vaginas.

Hormones do not determine what gender you are, nor do chromosomes.

>>43461911
Time for everyone to play amateur anthropologist, its because as birthgivers they have more value, one man can impregnate several women, men are risk takers, women are risk adverse, etc., etc.

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>>43461944
>some men have very masculine vaginas

>>43461884
>compromising a setting
M8, your setting is as sexually dimorphic, fair, bigotted or apologetic as you want. Any author's setting is as whatever as they want.
"Compromising setting" only happens if you use someone else's or are claiming 100% historical accuracy.
People accept that arcane mumblings can turn bat shit into napalm, but suggest that gender roles may be other than what DAESH wants and people lose their damn minds.

Gender roles were defined by culture and were far from universal. The same as warrior traditions. Pretending the our world had a monoculture is absurd.

>>43461904
Sad, but true, unfortunately. These differences aren't inherent qualities of gender, but ones that society projects onto people, with expectations. It just so happens that these expectations are so deeply rooted in our culture that, by and large, people accept them as fact.

Maybe one day the world will change, but I probably won't be alive to see it.

>>43461925
>a page with 104 sources and a massive 'further reading' section
Yeah sure man, it's obviously completely unfounded.

>>43461905
The real question is how much of that is made up/exaggerated, either by the French, the English, or the Vatican.

>>43461911
Because men gain muscle mass more readily, due to the higher concentration of testosterone in their bodies.

>>43461954
>Time for everyone to play amateur anthropologist

What about just suggesting they read this?

http://www.genderratic.net/?cat=17

>>43461924
Actually, a few Feminist blogs I peek in on were pretty adamant about not holding up false evidence. Something about it making real evidence (Scythian chariot sites and Roman Gladiatrixs for example) far harder to communicate. Then again, she was catching flack from other womyn for bursting their bubble.

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I want to get captured and used by a blackguard, and then I want to get rescued by a cute female knight! And then I want them both to share me!

Are you nutcases REALLY pretending the huge biological strength differences between men and women have nothing to do with gender roles and the fact men are almost universally the warriors? How about the fact women are the ones who have kids?

>>43461961
Except you now get called a sexist for not forcing modern notions of equality into a pre modern setting. Just look at the idiots who make Pathfinder deciding that not abiding by modern left wing morality prevents a deity being good.

>>43458651
I love this.
In enough armor, everyone looks the same.
Fearsome and weapon-like. Built for war, not for socializing.

>>43461960
I've seen some other drawings by this author, and I can't tell whether they're serious or just troll pictures.

>>43461996
>due to the higher concentration of testosterone in their bodies.

And yet we've proven that testosterone or even genitals does not determine your gender, so in essence men and women should be completely equal since biology does not matter.

>>43461944
>Hormones do not determine what gender you are, nor do chromosomes.

Are you fucking serious? Is this how far gone people are nowadays?

>>43458308
And now to ruin the thread. This princess is a worshiper of slaanesh and we all know the major installment that slaanesh adds to both females and males.

>>43458702
She looks like she's been through the fires of hell and come out victorious. Amen to that.

>>43462021
>I can't tell whether they're serious or just troll pictures.

They're 100% serious, the author draws in that overtly cute and cuddly artstyle to make it impossible for you to criticize their "peaceful, loving" message, and to make it palatable for children.

>>43461935
Both Sexes do produce Testosterone and Estrogen, but in varying amounts.In fact, excessive alcohol consumption actually leads to an excess of Testosterone in women, leading to heightened aggression.

>>43461935
In general, yes.
However, if we are going with biology we also need to examine the degree of sexual dimorphism across genotypes. Simply put, the difference between Devonian men and women is significantly less than the difference between those with Neanderthal stock.
In cultures that did feature female warriors with any regularity, they were trained in different techniques. Specifically to compensate for/take advantage of the differences.

>>43458713
Why would you ever wear your hair down when you have to put on and take off a helmet? That seems like an unnecessary hassle, and also your hair could fall into your eyes at an time. As someone with long hair, I would definitely put it into a ponytail before wearing any sort of helmet.

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>>43462016
>Just look at the idiots who make Pathfinder deciding that not abiding by modern left wing morality prevents a deity being good.

You think that's the worst of it?

Oh boy, you haven't been reading their recent works or noticing trends in their portrayals, have you.

>>43458713
>>43459020
Redhead half-elf Griffith? Let's hope
he doesn't get his hands on a behelit...

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>>43461935
>Men have testosterone, women do not
Men have MORE testosterone than women.
This leads to greater muscle density on average.
>>43461944
>Hormones do not determine what gender you are, nor do chromosomes.
...Is this one of those 'gender DNE biological sex' things?
Because this makes no sense in any other case.

I'm going to come across as dense asking this but I never really understood the reason why the women warrior thing was such a controversial point?

Like, I completely understand that women warriors were never a thing that occurred in significant numbers historically, but aren't adventurers supposed to be exceptional individuals? Of course if you have military forces that are half composed of women it raises all sorts of weird questions about the setting and ends up looking kind of silly, but I don't think too many people are asking for an equal gender divide in fantasy armies. Isn't it safe to assume that a female adventuerer who's a barbarian or a fighter or some shit is an exceptionally, unusually strong woman since adventurers in general are exceptionally clever/sneaky/magical individuals to begin with?

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>>43462052
>tfw androgens are required precursors to estrogens

>>43462016
I guess if you want to give a bit of a handwave about why your fantasy setting doesn't have that problem you could use the OP for inspiration.

Special lady knights are trained because men aren't trusted with the protection of young women.
That's why your female character can have a back story justification for her class.
The reason that her stats are the same as her male companions is just because she's a statistical outlier.

>>43461884

A tiny minority of soldiers (like 10-20% in some estimates and wars) in societies where child birth was often very fatal.

We're talking about D&D, a society with magically advanced medicine in excess of what we get today

>>43462078
>but I never really understood the reason why the women warrior thing was such a controversial point?

It's not so much having female warriors, it's people trying to say female warriors are completely normal and in fact the only reason they didn't exist in modern western society was sexism.

One of the easiest ways to get people thinking that way is the portrayal of female warriors in popular media.

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>>43458747
Not all lady knights have to be cute. Some are just as grizzled and war-scarred as the men.
Ala
>>43458320
>>43458702

>>43462016
Full stop m8
Unless your testosterone or estrogen controls ability to use magic, having a society with as rigid of gender rolls as western Europe (where it was all war on horses and Saul hates women the religion) is a bigger suspension of disbeleif than Tesla coiling a fucker with a rod of Amber and some wool.
The game designers at piazo can make their setting how they want. They also held up slavery as lawfulbut not evil. You don't like it? Scrap it or play a different game. Thier setting is theirs to shit up as much as your setting is for your feces. The owner of a place ain't got to please anyone else.

>>43462095
>a society with magically advanced medicine in excess of what we get today

You mean where the advanced medicine gets canceled out by advanced curses, planar radiation and possession?

What happens when a human mother gives birth to a Tiefling, and the father was also human?