How can he be considered the GOAT when he can't even help

>>78080988
> Venezuela is to strong. Argentina team is bad.

That´s what messifags believe.

He is old and washed up. Happens to players over 30. He hasn't been on his top level for like 3 years

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>losing to the beisbol country

People dig Ronaldo for statpadding against minnows but at least he fucking does the job.

Where has Messi been for his NT since 2010?

>>78081149
La botaron de jonrón.

>>78080988
They'll still qualify.

Its ok, i bet after the game he banged the fuck out of his hot wifes ass

>>78081160
They won points while he played and dropped points when he wasnt available in world cup qualifying. They would probably be qualified already had Messi been available for all of Argentina's crucial games. All Statpadnaldo has to do is tap in and tsuuuuu against Andorra and Hungary.

>>78081160
Carried them to several finals, where Higuain steped up to his traditional role to choke it.

Inb4 you ask me why he doesnt win the final for them too.

There is only so much a semi-god can do.

He died inside after World Cup loss to Germany

>>78081195
I actually think he is better than ever. He has finally achieved the form where he can carry a whole team. Hes carrying Barcelona since 2 years and the same is happening with Argentina. Both teams are essentially useless without him and can win any title with him.

>>78081215
OK but where is that Messi carry? Barcelona neither Argentina won shit in last 2 years

>>78081224
Barcelona won the triple in 14/15, La Liga in 15/16, missed the title by 3 points against the best Real Madrid ever in 16/17, and they also won the Copa del Rey in the last three years.

>>78081224
Well, 3 years ago Barcelona won the treble for the second time in Messi's carrer. That must mean something.

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nurtury always beats nature in sports, hence why ronaldo is going to score 30+ goals even in his mid-30s while messi's been on a downward spiral since 2015, and there's no coming back, all the sprite, pepsi, degenerate tattoos, roids and hormones are taking its toll. rip messhit.

>>78081248
>in last 2 years

he talks about 3 years ago

>>78081272
You do realize though Portugal won the finale against France literally without Ronaldo. Ronaldo is a good poacher and thats it. He doesnt carry the team. Real Madrid is carried by Modric, if anybody.

Messi though is carrying both Argentina and Barca. When he doesnt play the teams barely win anything.

>>78081277
Well, other teams are compiting too, you can't pretend to win 10 champions leagues one after the other.

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folks, this is what retardation looks like: >>78081283

>>78081283
>Real Madrid is carried by Modric, if anybody.

Real is carried by Zidane desu and his balls to adapt to the situation instead of just playing the expensive guys on autopilot like, say, Benitez did.

>>78081301
>le muslim footbal fan defending tap-in-aldo

Why am I not surprised?

>>78081311
>le germarabic messhit redditor defending le xavi baby

>>78081283
Ronaldo LITERALLY carried a shitty portuguese team from 2006 after Figo retired to 2016 when they actually started to play ok without him.

>>78081334
So how exactly did he carry it during the final 2016 when he didnt even play?

Inb4 you guys try to tell me him standing yelling on the side line is what made the difference.

Honestly, let's face it guys, Messi had everything to be the GOAT : his professionnal debuts coinciding with Barcelona starting to be a relevant team, peak Xaviniesta, peak Pep, 4 Ballon d'Or in a row a NT stacked with world class players (Tevez, Higuain, Di Maria, Dybala,...) but Tsu is just the better player.

>>78081310
>Benitez played with the BBC even though everybody wanted Cristiano in the bench
>Zidane comes, people think he will sit Cristiano
>Zidane: "BBC is untouchable"

And now that Bale is recovered, he will bench again Isco, you will see.

>>78081342
I unironically think we would have win if he stayed on the pitch

>>78081342
>let's totally ignore the fact that he carried the team for the 10 years before that final
>let's also ignore the fact that he also carried that team against Hungary and Wales, a.k.a. the game that saved Poortugal's ass

He's a pretender.

>>78081362
>Winning games against such football powerhouses like Hungary and Wales is considered carrying the team now

Ayy lmao

>>78081376
>"haha look at Ronaldo, the poor guy is scoring goals and winning games and trophies for his national team, what a loser !"
>"based Messi ! Chokes 3 finals in a row, literally the only goal he scored for Argentina in 2017 was a penalty and he can't score against fucking Venezuela. Definitely the GOAT !"

>>78081394
>Winning trophies by standing on the side line yelling like a maniac.

>>78081348
>drop Jamemes
>bring up Casemiro, turn him into a top DM
>drop Ronaldo when not needed instead of playing him 60 games per season
>have unlimited money, be able to patch up holes with €50m backups like PL clubs do
>keep playing Asensio, Vazquez, Nacho and the like instead because they give a fuck for the team to the point where they turn great
>your management style makes Real so attractive that players like Ceballos prefer them to Barca while Barca needs to drop ridiculous money on foreigners to try to keep up

I unironically rate Zidane.

>>78081406
>not winning trophies by staying on the pitch and being useless
Really make you think...

>>78081411
to be fair though, Asensio prefered Barca over Real but Barca didnt want to pay the 4,5 million because it seemed to high to them. Same with Ceballos, who wanted to go to Barca but Barca didnt want to pay the 16,5 million for him.

Then they go on to spend 200 million on Paulinho and Dembele.

Really makes you think.

>>78081451
Barcelona is behaving in a very retarded way this last years. They should be thankful to Messi for keeping them competitive.

>>78081194
>Carried them to several finals
Di Maria carried

>>78081239
>c-conmebol qualifiers are the hardest I swear!

>>78081517
>Venezuela is not like San Marino or Malta!

>>78081551
They isn't though, stop playing with barbies and watch actual football you moor unemployed cunt

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>>78081239
>7.00
nothing like starting the game with a rush of intensity

>>78081596
>that coping level
Stop pretending you're white and accept that the Argenigga team, especially Messi, is a complete failure. Any decent team would beat anytime Venezuela. Ain't that hard lmao

>>78081517
Yeah world beater Liechenstein the hardest opponent rite concede 8 goals home and away

>>78081670
At least they were not banned

>>78081670
A superior team should beat the inferior team. Thats how its works, unless you are the Messi´s Argentina.

Really makes you think.

more importantly, what happened to Chile?

theyre even worse than ARG

>>78081818
Not really. Beat Bolivia at his home(3600 meters over the sea) it´s difficult for any team.

>>78080988
>How can he be considered the GOAT

Because he is. What don't you get?

>>78081833
For being a GOAT is such a loser.

>>78081239
>Making argentinians pay money to watch their nt walk on the pitch

hahahahahaha

You're only as good as the team around you. Unless you're a truly world class player like Ronaldo or Bale you'll struggle to drag a team of shitters up to the level of Peru

>>78080988
nobody over 16 considers him the goat

>>78081848
stop licking ronaldos ass you fucking pussy real madrid bandwagoner

>>78081848
if you're in the GOAT discussion and universally accepted as the GOAT you are the GOAT.

>>78081978
Said the amerifat about soccer.

>>78081998
Can be applied to all things across all cultures.

>>78081848

He is the lelbron of semen slurping. Padded stats but without his Barca teammates he can't win shit, and he cries worse than LeBron even

>>78081978
There isn't a football GOAT when you have 3+ guys in the discussion.

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>>78080988
W E A K

>>78081978
>GOAT
>discussion
>universally accepted
A real GOAT is one without discussion.

>>78081215

Barcelona played better last year while he was injured

>>78081239

>tfw at that time a tie seemed like a good deal for both since Argentina counted on easily beating verguenzuela.

>We beat Paraguay in one of the most decisive matches in the qualifying and Argentina shat the bed with Venezuela.

Now they'll play a final with Peru that has been revived by meme magic and the possibility of Argentina missing the WC is real.

Mess could have retired 5 years ago and he'd still be the GOAT.

>>78082237
That's because he hasn't done anything of note in the last five years.

>>78081194
>carrying them

yeah let's pretend messi who has done fuck all for argentina carried them and not a meddling player like di maria being better and more productive than him in every single game.

>>78081342
Ronaldo doesnt play the final
>H-He didnt win shit!
Messi walks WC final blasting a last minute FK to row z. Walks a second final against Chile. Walks yet another one whilst missing a penalty. Is about to not qualify for the WC for the first time in i dont even know how long
>I-its Higuains fault
Oh, I love these Missi dickriders and their mental gimnastics

>>78080988
Georgie Best with Northern Ireland
George Weah with Liberia

>>78082267
And don't forget how ronaldo's nt lineup has been consistently much worse than Missi's argentina yet Ronaldo IS expected to carry his shit team but messi's not at fault for missing a PENALTY

>>78081828
Is it hard to lose to Paraguay at home too?

>>78082290
Dude La Paz is a tough scenario, sure chile done fugg but still

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>fagnaldo fans are still this mad about MESSI being GOAT

OBSESSED, sad!

>>78082284
Higuain never had any trouble scoring when playing with Ronaldo. Really makes you think

>>78082307
>Americans are the biggest messifags
Makes sense

>>78082307
>Keeps getting exposed
>Missicucks still in denial
MUY TRISTE!

>>78082306
I know it is, but they shat the bed against Paraguay at home

>>78082272
LOL

>>78082322
All American flags that support halal are spics desu

>>78082323
poor MESSI, wish he could stay pad against the mighty Faroe islands

>>78082306
Uruguay beat Bolivia 2-1 in La Paz. I know they dont play attractive football, but damn it, they are in the second position now. Are they, dare I say it, the best team in the world p4p? I mean, their population is 3 fucking million. How do they do it?

>>78082335
>Has arguably the best football team in the world to play with him
>Still keeps choking
Keep crying

>>78082338
It's like Aotearoa in rugby.

all this thread is missing is the retarded paki claiming argentina have a shit defence

>>78081190
Why would you want a player to do literally everything and create a great chance, but still fail then to have a player who will create himself a great chance from nothing and score? Sure they may be tap ins, but why arent the Obamayangs and lukakus of the world scoring hat tricks against bayern?

>>78082335
>All American flags that support halal are spics desu
So actual football fans support ronaldo while soccer costumers are gay for messi? Really makes you think
>>78082338
Uruguay are p4p the greatest of all times. They've got heart and really do care about both football and their country

>>78082338

Uruguay has le must win at all costs mentality despite sometimes having shit teams.

Argentina is used to having talented superstars save the day so they can't handle difficulties. They are WEAK.

Can't help but laugh every time i read
>messi carried Argentina to world cup final
In tournament where Argentina scored 2 goals in playoffs, and neither of this goals was scored by Messi, he sure carried them.

>>78081283
the kraut is right, Ronaldo only carried Portugal from 2008 to 2012, in the last year's Euro he wasn't even our best attacking player

still, Messi didn't carry Argentina to any final, in the World Cup it was Di Maria who carried them to the final

>>78082379
one more thing. Argentina have second best defense in current eliminations and 8 teams have better attack than Argentina. Only Bolivia scored less goals, Peru scored 10 more.
But i'm sure great defense is all thanks to Messi and shit attack is a Higuain/Dybala/Aguero/Icardi fault.

>>78082392
Ronaldo was a key player last euro, wihtout him you'd have gone home early.
>>78082379
People who don't watch football just assume he did well but in reality it was Di Marias non-stop running that carried them

>>78081148
also no more Fuentes roids

>>78082401
Ronaldo was only good in 2 games, against Hungary and against Wales, against the rest he was amazingly bad I don't you guys really remember just how bad he was

>>78082392
>in the last year's Euro he wasn't even our best attacking player
then who was?
>in the World Cup it was Di Maria who carried them to the final
he was injured for most of the knockouts fucktard

>>78082401
i was thinking more about Mascherano, he had amazing tournament, looked like best DM in the world.
>>78082424
thanks to that Hungary game, Portugal was remember as a team that won the Euro and not as a loosers who was out in group stage, because they manage to loose 3 goals against Hungary.

>>78082424
Both which were crucial games you must admit

>>78082441
>i was thinking more about Mascherano, he had amazing tournament, looked like best DM in the world.
True, although i feel he has some strange leeway with most refs for some reason

>>78082441
>>78082447
they were crucial games, yes, especially the one against Hungary, but we wouldn't have been in that position if he had done his job against Iceland and Austria

>>78082428
Nani, scored against Iceland, scored against Hungary, played an important part the play that created the goal against Croatia, scored against Wales

still carried Argentina more than Messi

>>78082473
In any case tsunaldo has done more for portugal in that very bad world cup than messi ever did in his peak and for a much better team

Surprisingly good banter itt.

>>78082473
i guess thats a fair shout, +/- Nani was maybe better. but

>scored against Iceland
fair enough
>scored against hungary
from ronaldos assist, and ronaldo scored twice
>played an important part the play that created the goal against Croatia
so did ronaldo, arguably a more important part even
> scored against Wales
from ronaldo pass, also so did ronaldo

>>78082517
Not him but Nani played very very well all Euro IMO. Even in the final after CR left.
On some games he was the only one who could move the ball forward in procession.
You can't judge his performance on those stats alone, this isn't a sport for retards like fucking handegg.

BTW for me the best player from all the Euro teams was Pepe and the best player in the final was Patrício.

>>78082562
>Even in the final after CR left
he did fuck all in the final

>>78082562
>BTW for me the best player from all the Euro teams was Pepe and the best player in the final was Patrício.
This. Pepe should have gotten MOTM way before. The finals MOTM should have gone to Patricio.

>>78082571
Fuck all? Like what? Being the only striker fighting France 4 defenders?
What the fuck do you even know about football, really?

>>78082606
You shouldnt argue with a gypsie. They will lower you to their level and then rob you.

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le basic explanation

everyone sucks

>>78082606
their entire offence did fuck all till Eder got on. inb4 you say something retarded like he had great attitude and never gave or up lol.

>>78082517
>so did ronaldo, arguably a more important part even
Nani made a very good pass to Ronaldo, Ronaldo shot against the keeper and the ball just happened to rebound for Quaresma, but either way since the game against Croatia was absolutely horrible we can put them on equal grounds

>against Iceland
Nani > Ronaldo
>against Austria
Nani > Ronaldo
>against Hungary
Ronaldo > Nani
>against Croatia
Nani = Ronaldo
>against Poland
Nani > Ronaldo
>against Wales
Ronaldo > Nani

and this ain't even taking into account that the games where Nani played worst than Ronaldo he played much better than Ronaldo in the games where Ronaldo played worst than Nani

all that chilling for cronaldo as the goat coincides with him supporting palestine. don't get fooled.

>>78083742

Dude, are you suggesting that nani is better than Ronaldo?

Is this the state of /Sp/

>>78081194
>Carried them to several finals
Which ones?

>>78080988
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/6yffw6/leo_messi_chances_created_dribbles_vs_venezuela/

>>78083967
Why not just play further foward then? There's no point in him creating all these chances if his teammates are incapable of finishing them.
>Linking to reddit instead of just posting the vid link
Kys

>>78083967
Those replies gave me cancer

>>78081376
>winning games against such football powerhouses as Switzerland, Venezuala and USA is considered carrying the team now

messifags are utterly tragic hypocrits

>>78084215
The fun fact is that he's not even winning or scoring against Venezuela.

>>78084215
i think messis better than ronaldo but i have to agree, the hypocrisy is astounding. when ronaldo scores against shit teams he gets criticized but when messi does nobody levies those same criticisms against him

>>78080988
>old
>constant injuries
>"family" drama
>tax problems

RIP messi

>>78084394
Messi didn't even score against venezuela

When you miss a few games and see how the players play without you, you get discouraged.

Either that, or you get motivated, which ever the case for him, stepping on to that field and those players not even being able to receive one pass or control any ball that he gives them, it's depressing. It's quite sad watching the team, seeing Messi go to waste. Go watch the replay and see his passes and what the teammates did with the balls. It's like he is playing with toddlers (apart from Di Maria who went out after 20 minutes again)

>>78084394
>>/reddit/

>>78081239
Wow...
So...
That's the power of Messi

>>78081239
HHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

It's funny because we're also shit

>we
are the living proof that Messi is just a piece from the best team, not the best player

>>78081239

It's funny because Messi starts with the ball and sees none of his teammates are even trying, he keeps walking and no one shows themselves, then he dumps it back and keeps walking forward all alone in the center of the Hope Solo formation. What a sad team.

hello foreign

Remember when he cried and moaned and left the team like a little bitch. Will never be a great leader period

>>78081194
Messi literally didn't do shit in the ko stage of the world Cup and was absolutely terrible in Copa and missed a penalty in the final

>>78085690

You mean in the moment that Argentina didn't have a manager, a federation president or a vice president, and the voting results for a new president were 36-36 when there are only 75 voting members? He left a sunken ship so they could try to get their shit back together. Also remember that AFA wasn't using chartered flights because it's completely out of money and Messi took the Chapacoense airplane one week before it crashed, after he personally paid for the AFA's security guards because they couldn't afford them

>>78081283
>beat Chile without messi
>lose to Chile with Messi
Hmm

>>78085725
>was absolutely terrible in Copa and missed a penalty in the final
Umm.. sweetie, he styled on the mighty mighty US with a free kick goal.

>>78085749
It's aways excuses with you messifags

>>78083967
>overhit pass
>useless dribble in midfield
>retarded shot from shit angle with wide open teammate next to him
>useless dribble in midfield
>retarded shot with wide open teammate next to him
>blocked from 1-2
>useless dribble in midfield
>3 useless passes into the box
>passes behind teammate
lol. pretty funny they needed to include replays to make it seem more.

There still the "repesca", right?

>>78085911
>>useless dribble in midfield

stopped right there

>>78085948
so did argentinas wc chances lol

>>78085989
LMAO

MESSIFAG BTFO

>>78083938
no, I'm suggesting Nani had a better Euro than Ronaldo?

>>78081239
Sad!

>>78083967
https://streamable.com/6mwk3
so that you can just see the vid

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>>78085989

>>78081239
Jesus Christ, it's like a sad, lazy version of tiki-taka.
>the decrepit ruin of Argentina

I don't think anyone thinks he is the best. Ronaldo has a better record over the same period.

>>78085989
>>78086014
>>78086292
I don't get it? We're still in a qualifying spot and there are two matches left

>>78085287
see
>>78085349
Even the american knows more about football than you.

>>78086370

This.

Ronaldo had to work his way up to play in the stat padding league, Messi started and played his whole career there.

>>78086406
Two matches that you won't win and a playoff that you'll bottle.

>>78086424
I heard this same story leading up to 2010, and even that shitass team made it. Don't count on us missing the cup, monkey.

>>78086423
He was medically engineered from childhood to play in the League of Unpaid Defenders.

>>78086445
Uh huh. Tell you what, get back to me once you've actually secured a spot. It might be a while, mind you.

>78086481
>can't deny what I said
I guess I don't need to give you this (You) in that case.

>>78085801
>if it doesn't fit my narrative, it's an excuse!
>>78085725
>if he doesn't score, he's bad!
Dumb Canadian

>>78086519
Speaking of 78086481 how is the exchange rate down there?

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>>78086536
I hope you're seriously asking, because if this is an attempt at banter, then gif related

>>78082503
Stupid subhuman mudslime spic. Keep damage controlling for your honosexual statpadder it's so hilarious isnt it

>>78088575
Well he's right though. Tsu has scored more goals, even won a trophy, and he did all of that with a team far worse than argentina's for most of his career.
>inb4 "you're a fucking mudslime too"

>>78088616
Portugal isnt shit and has never been shit aside from 2014. Ronaldo scored 3 goals against mediocre opposition and DID NOT EVEN PLAY THE FINAL. That is not carrying at all. Messi "carried" Argentina in the world cup in the group stages and had a better performance up until the semifinals but the only difference is he didnt have EDER score the wonder goal for him in the final, he had Higuain.

The last great player Portugal had before TSU was Figo in 2004.

The team in 2016 wasnt that great either we won everything 1-0 or penalties and passed a weak group in 3rd...

The team in 2018 will be the best team we ever had since the Golden Era of Rui Costa, Figo, Joao Pinto etc.

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>>78088758
>Argentina in the world cup in the group stages
The Butcher of Bosnia
The Irradiator of Iran
The Nightmare of Nigeria

>>78088758
He failed that penalty kick because of higuain too right?

>>78080988
ZIco level

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>>78092090
>he fell for the Zico meme

>>78090548
Deco was better than Figo desu.

>>78081517
Another disgusting display from Uruguay and Argentina. I hope they both end up missing the WC.

>>78080988
You have to be a retard to think football can be played 1 vs 11

>>78093627
Lol
Uruguay is already in, sweetie

>>78093746
plus, if you actually watch the match, it was clear that the team had too many changes from the last reign. No one could understand what their teammates were doing by the second half.

>le "get rid of Messi's friends" meme
>Icardi will save us!
>Messi is keeping Icardi out of the national team!
>0 goals, barely touched the ball in 2 matches

>>78091167
All sorts of players can miss penalty kicks. You got eliminated by South Korea in a world cup by penalty kicks, so you should be the expert on this.

>>78093878
>All sorts of players can miss penalty kicks.
Remanded me of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRxwOFnMUXc

I don't like missi but i fuckin hate GAYnaldo seriously how can you like him ?? He is so stupid and gay

>>78093847
The shilling is hard in your country, and Spain.
You need someone who stops listening to shills, a lot of people will be pissed.
That happened in Peru. I hope you make it to the playoff

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>Europeans thinking South American teams are as bad as San Marino and Estonia

>>78081347
>World Class Players

Kek'd my Muslim friend

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>>78081347
/sp/ is retarded. Ronaldo didn't do shit in the Euros.

>>78081239
Not sure this semen slurping """"sport"""" is for me lads

>>78081283
literally no one else would score against neuer away in the last cl semis
>goals are not so decisive, i-i swear
you ´re a fucking germany, how do you not know this?

I didn't watch the game.

Memes aside was he shit or was he played out of position or was everyone else shit?

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>>78088758
>Portugal isnt shit
>a team that plays andre gomes isn't shit

>>78096101
Messi was slowing down the midfield by trying to dribble everybody deep. He made the team ineffective in counters.

>>78083742
>>78083938
>>78086132
Nani had one of the best competitions ever in the NT.

You know why?
Because Quaresma was stealing his shine.
If Quaresma had arrived to the EURO uninjured Nani wouldn't even play.

Quaresma always had more talent and skill than Nani.

Also, Quaresma is definitely the catalyzer than made the Euro possible.

We could have won 2012, if Quaresma, R. Carvalho and other undesirables had been called.

Stupid managers were always what held back Portugal. Which is even dumber considering that some of the finest managers in the world are Portuguese.

>>78090548
The 2004 team was a best.
Figo, Rui Costa, Deco, Ricardo Carvalho, Paulo Ferreira, Cristiano Ronaldo, Pauleta, Fernando Couto.

All Champions league starters.Many, finalists.

>>78081283
You think because Eder scored a shitty fluke goal that loris should have saved Portugal don't need Ronaldo? Portugal were shit that game after Ronaldo went out, no sort of attacking presence.

>>78097197
>midfield
...So he was played out of position?

Why is everyone blaming him then.
No one should praise him either but its not like the rest of the team isn't shit.

>>78081239
>trekking GOAT

>>78081347
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