Why are our clubs so bad in Europe (compared to Spain, Italy

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>>77890538

take bayern out of the bundesliga and it becomes ligue 1 tier

>>77890592
You're right. It's embarrassing really...

Benfica alone is better then France. V nice

>>77890592
>>77890592
>>77890604
Take Liverpool out of the premier league and it become bundes-tier

Even better, take Real out of La Liga and it becomes portugal-tier.

Embarrasing really.

>>77890538
Buyern is looting bundes.

>>77890538
>>77890549

>tfw 11th ranked league

>>77892191
>Take Liverpool out of the premier league and it become bundes-tier
So removing Liverpool would improve the prem?

>>77890538
Clubs can't spend as much money because of Bundesliga financial rules or sonething.

>runners up
>16

thanks Juventus

>>77893902
>stating the obvious

>>77890592
2bh if remove just one big club from a Spanish, German, Portugal or Nederlands leagues they have way less titles
France could have more UCL titles with '90s OM, but as our elites HATE football, they managed to destroy OM using a small affair (OM-Valenciennes)

>>77890538
The bigger question is why are France so shit they have a large population, good economy and produce good players but only one good team that the arabs had to give them

>>77894263
see >>77894251
Our elites hate football, and French people hate people who succeed and make money
Combine the 2, and you have this hate of successful big clubs.
French would want to have a successful club, but poor. We want a fairytale winner. The small guys who wins. Like '70s Saint-Étienne.
Though it's now changing, but PSG still gets a lot of hate

>>77894153
At least we're not under englel

>>77890538
Because Bundesliga really has only two competitors; Bayern or Dortmund, with other clubs not able to match that type of spending. Also, Germany, as a whole, just kind of has this strict style of play that puts an emphasis on structure over creativity. And the creative that Germany does produce either leave or end up at Bayern/Dortmund.

>>77894336
we should be level with Spain
same amount of finals played, five fewer trophies

>>77894383
rb leipzig

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>>77894547
I always forget about RB Leipzig; they'll be raided for Forsberg, Keita, and Werner soon; somone will unfortunately sign whatever the fuck this thing is.

>>77892191
>I must defend MUH GERMAN HERITAGE!

>>77894383
How are Dortmund even competitors?

>>77894617
youre the one who brought up race were talking sports here bro

50+1

>>77894622
Because they have just enough talent to be better than most of the Bundesliga with a great head coach but not enough to challenge for the league or CL due to the squad having been raided over the years. The most exciting thing about Dortmund now is Pulisic, an American. And though Pulisic is GOAT, I mean.. Damn.

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>>77890538
>Italy's 16 runners-up

>>77894383
>with other clubs not able to match that type of spending
It's more incompetence with the money they do have. Don't forget Dortmund were not only unable to spend much ten years ago, they had to sell players just to make end's meet. Now they've gotten 100m from one player, and built their position through smart scouting, and a bit of luck in regards to some transfers. Other clubs need to either stop being pushovers and getting a fair price for their players, or at least stop being retards with the money they're given. Look at Wolfsburg, they got over 70m for De Bruyne and were complete fucktards when it came to replacing him.

>>77890538
>Romania and Yugoslavia as many CL titles as France

>>77890538
>italy in charge of finals

>>77890538
>>77890549
because any time there is another team capable of winning european trophies bayern buy all their players

>>77894574
>they'll be raided for Forsberg, Keita, and Werner soon
What makes you think that? They played one Bundesliga season and haven't lost any starting player this window. RB's goal is to be a CL winning club and it's tough to be a CL winning club when you're feeding Bayern, Real, Barca and the EPL

>>77890538
Different teams qualifying for CL/EL every year makes it harder to be successfull on that level.

Also >>77895252

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>>77890538
>half of Italy's fuckups are on Juventus

>>77895243
>france in charge of finals

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>>77890538

Because in the XXI century Spanien siegt an allen fronten and even the Internet has already been won. So there's nothing you can do, it's too late. Viktoria has been achieved and you are all living in the glorious WeltReich España.

But in the XX, german clubs did well, there was a lot of competitive variety with Monchengladbach, Hamburger, Bremen, Frankfurt, FC Koln, Kaiserslautern, Stuttgart, Bayern and Dortmund ofc, so at least you have that.

>>77890971
if you consider a record of 2/7 and 0/3 good ok
for me 2/2 and 2/2 is better