Serious question, no trolling, no fanboying. Has Ronaldo's

Team supported;
>Arsenal
Who do you think is more talented;
>Messi
Who do you think has had the better career;
>Ronaldo

holy shit Halal wins two preseason games and suddenly Penaldo is the greatest athlete in the history of mankind calm your tits ffs

>Messi
Barcelona
La Liga: 2004–05, 2005–06, 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11, 2012–13, 2014–15, 2015–16
Copa del Rey: 2008–09, 2011–12, 2014–15, 2015–16, 2016–17
Supercopa de España: 2006, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2016
UEFA Champions League: 2005–06, 2008–09, 2010–11, 2014–15
UEFA Super Cup: 2009, 2011, 2015
FIFA Club World Cup: 2009, 2011, 2015
International
Argentina
FIFA U-20 World Cup: 2005
Olympic Gold Medal: 2008

>Ronaldo
Club
Sporting CP
Supertaça Cândido de Oliveira: 2002
Manchester United[556]
Premier League: 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09
FA Cup: 2003–04
Football League Cup: 2005–06, 2008–09
FA Community Shield: 2007
UEFA Champions League: 2007–08
FIFA Club World Cup: 2008
Real Madrid[556]
La Liga: 2011–12, 2016–17
Copa del Rey: 2010–11, 2013–14
Supercopa de España: 2012, 2017
UEFA Champions League: 2013–14, 2015–16, 2016–17
UEFA Super Cup: 2014, 2017
FIFA Club World Cup: 2014, 2016
International
Portugal
UEFA European Championship: 2016

>>77665381
Messi is still the better player. Ronaldo will retire with more team accolades but neither of them will ever win a world cup so individual skill > league titles when it comes to them, imo.

Team supported;
>Newcastle
Who do you think is more talented;
>Ronaldo
Who do you think has had the better career;
>Ronaldo

>AC Milan
>Messi
>Ronaldo thus far but that's because he's lucked into a stacked Madrid while Barcelona have sharply declined as a club with Messi having to carry the mess.

>>77665413
why do you have to make it so difficult, why not just post

Team supported;
Who do you think is more talented;
Who do you think has had the better career;

and go ?

>>77665450
Messi hasn't carried shit. Literally did nothing today despite having chances.

>>77665418
yeah, tsu is goat

>>77665418
i was going to post the individual accolades for both, but it would legit take like 6 posts, due to character limit.

i can't even screenshot them, ffs

>tfw you have won 5 academic awards and 2 sports medals in 23 years of existence and you are immensely proud of that fact
>tfw these guys couldn't even name the amount/names of the awards they have won

Everton
If Messi never won a single thing and played for Malaga his whole career he'd still be GOAT. Ronaldo can win everything but if you sat someone down and asked them who the better player was, without any previous bias, 99 percent would say Messi.

Only a spastic would think Ronaldo is a better player, which isn't a knock on Ronaldo. I love TSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU man and his ridiculously flamboyant, hard working nature.

>>77665381
messi still better thou his prime is already over meanwhile ronaldo is a lil behind him but his right now his prime have just begun

>>77665455
Team: Colo Colo
Most Talented : Jorge Valdivia
Better Career: Arturo Vidal
go fuck yourself

>>77665413
and the others before that...................................

Cristiano:

>Won Copa del Rey 2011 over Messi
>Won Supercopa de España 2012 over Messi
>Won Supercopa de España 2017 over Messi

Messi:
>Won Champions League 2009 over Cristiano
>Won Supercopa de España 2011 over Cristiano

Messi has won the most important Trophy but Cristiano has won more finals over him.

>>77665479
>Valdivia
>implying not alexis

hue

>>77665450
>Ronaldo lucked
>implying Messi didn't
oh so all those years when Messi had Xavi and Iniesta at peak powers counted for nothing?

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>>77665381
messi played with xaviniesta torres back to back treble winner eto, puyol, dani alves, while ronaldo was playing with diarra, adebayor and higuain.
you tell me

>>77665485
and what trophy is that exactly? I hope you're not talking about the Olympic Gold. Which isn't even a fucking trophy lmao

>>77665498
Messi does more for Barcelona than Ronaldo does for Madrid. Barcelona without Messi falls apart, Madrid without Ronaldo is just fine when you have players like Isco and Asensio.

>>77665503
meant to say villa instead of torres. my point stands though

ronaldo's carreer is way more impressive but in terms of talent its pretty equal tbdh

id still pick cristiano over messi first to build a team

>>77665513

Champions League 2009 over Cristiano's ManU

I'm talking about direct KOs

>>77665413
They also won the UEFA Super Cup, the Champions League and the él La Liga in the last 3 months.

Banwagonned team: Liverpool
More talented: Messi
Better career: both equal I think
But from the perspectice of who is more likeable majority might choose Ronaldo. He's talented but not as talented as Messi so he make it up with hardwork which is the thing that make him 'more connected' to your average person.

>>77665516
that's not Ronaldo's problem. That's the fault of the manager and the board.

Team supported;
>Los Blancos (parents from Madrid)
Who do you think is more talented;
>Ronaldo
Who do you think has had the better career;
>Ronaldo

>tfw live in Dallas and a Cowboy's fan. I'm the biggest bandwagon unironically how do I shake this status? I go to many Cowboys game and Real Madrid games too

Ronaldo has actually won something with his NT.

Ronaldo has actually won trophies in multiple countries.

Ronaldo is actually 32 and shows no real signs of slowing the fuck down.

>>77665381
>Team supported;
Pumas
>Who do you think is more talented;
Messi
>Who do you think has had the better career;
Hard to tell tbqh

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>>77665381
Team supported: Borussia Dortmund
Who do you think is more talented: Messi
Who do you think had the best career: Ronaldo, I remember people shitting on him all the time and all the humiliating defeats, Mourinho parking the bus and leaving him alone at the top. Him running his ass off, one man against the best team in the world.

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>Who do you think has had the better career
Ronaldo obviously. Reminder he has a more extensive trophy cabinet than Messi. Reminder that Ronaldo did it with 2 clubs. Balon d'Ors while on 2 different clubs. Reminder that Ronaldo has done it with the national team. Ronaldo has a better scoring record than Messi in La Liga and internationally. Ronaldo holds BOTH records for most goals and assists in the champions league. Ronaldo adapts to everchanging teammates while Messi has been exposed when Iniesta doesn't play

>>77665619
>poortuguese league
>eplel with Manure
Nah, who cares. His exploits in europe are all that matter.

offsidenaldo is a zizou babby

>>77665381
>Team supported;
QSG
>Who do you think is more talented;
I have eyes, Messi
>Who do you think has had the better career;
Messi

messi wins ballon d'or when he performs, ronaldo wins ballon d'or when messi underperforms

despite having a carreer full of chokes messi is the goat, while ronaldo is blessed by luck

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>>77665792
>despite having a carreer full of chokes
....

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>>77665683
>I remember people shitting on him all the time and all the humiliating defeats, Mourinho parking the bus and leaving him alone at the top. Him running his ass off, one man against the best team in the world.
THIS. jose deserted him like the scared bitch he was

>>77665424
but ronaldo has a euro cup over messi.
messie doesnt even have a copa america.

>>77665381
>Audax Italiano
>Messi
>Tsunaldo

>>77665898
Tie ur way to a final dont even play the final(not his fault I know) = goat chearleader on the side lines lol

>>77665898
Reminder he did fuck all against the mighty Iceland and didn't play the final with fucking EDER scoring the winning goal.

>>77666141
>>77666145
>being on the wrong side of history

>>77665516
100% this holy shit

>>77665516
>scoring penalties
>disappearing in big games
>yelling at ramos
yeah he does SO much for barca

>>77666166
I think ur talking about ur self leaf friend...

>>77666209
Messi was the only consistent threat today for Barcelona while Ratking was busy diving and everyone else choking.

>>77666240
Why are you still on the messi bandwagon? how many exposures will it take?

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TSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

>>77665450
So Messi never played with Xavi, Iniesta, and Eto'o/Villa at their very best?

>>77666283
I like ronaldoooo u like messi I hate u now. Are u 12... Messi will always be better the Penaldo the fact is Messi is carry Barca right now. If Messi wasn't playing the score line would have been much worse you cant say the same about Ronaldu, as shown today Real Madrid dont even need Ronalduuu anymore..

>>77666283
My boi tsunaldo has a way better team right now, I know that now for a fact... Barca need Messi, Real Madrid dont need Ronaldo.

>>77666352
Don't forget Ibra, Thuram, Ronaldinho

so.. did Neymar know something we didn't?

Seems like he jumped ship at the right time.

Alianza

Messi

I think considering how much worse and older than Messi he is you need to acknowledge that he really tries and deserves all he's got. Messi lucked out not only being the best thing ever but also expending his best years among other talents. Now Ronaldo can enjoy his stacked team making him life easier.

>>77666418
Yep, that's why he was both Real's top goal scorer and top assister in the CL last season. And see here >>77665503

Don't argue with messhit poster. They only base their opinions on favouritism rather than logic. Save your breathes for TSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

>>77665503
Whats the significance of that stat? Is he padding in losses or making crucial shots? Im an ameritard obviously so...

>>77666725
Obviously

if ronaldo is always carried then explain to me the fact that he's the all time champions league leader in assists?

Peak Messi is better than peak Ronaldo, but I'd say if Ronaldo has another GOAT tier year like last season and Barcelona do nothing again, Ronaldo will have had a better career.

>>77666902
>peak
Ronaldos never even had a peak, he's always been this consistent

>>77666902
Yeah, but so has Messi. That's why they are both miles ahead of the other top players. They don't have off years like Hazard did in 15/16 or turn to irredeemable shit like Suarez last and this season.

>>77665418
so for the ones that matter

>Missi
>Barcelona
8 Liga titles
5 Copa del Rey
4 Champions League

Total = 17 titles of importance

>Ronnie
>Manchester United
3 Premier League titles
1 FA Cup
1 Champions League

>Real Madrid
2 Liga Titles
2 Copa Del Rey
3 Champions League

>Portugal
1 Euro

Total = 13 titles of importance

ITT: recency bias.

>>77667203
>these trophies matter because i say so
Also, ronaldo has 4 champions leagues. Scored in 3 of those and became the only player to do so

>>77667250
well I mean the others are one off games/supercups and the FIFA club world cup.. hardly relevant wouldn't you say?

>>77667110
Suarez is one of the best strikers in the plantet in terms of pure scoring ability

>>77667247
This... /thread tb h fäm

>>77665381
>Has Ronaldo's *CAREER* overtaken Messi's ?
Possibly, yeah. By a tiny bit but yes. They are now tied at 4CLs, and Ronaldo will win his 5th Ballon d'or. Ronaldo comes out ahead because he won a title with his NT, while having arguably a much weaker NT than Messi

>Who do you think is more talented
Anyone who really understands this sport knows they are both equally talented. Only niños rata who started watching football in 2009 could possibly think CR is not a talented footballer

>Missi
great success with one club
short
ugly
beta
said club is scum of the football world

>Ronaldo
great success with multiple clubs
great success with NT
tall
handsome
alpha
said club is no saint but is an angel in comparison

>>77667203
1 Euro counts for at least three trophies IMHO.

You can't really have all those trophies adding up to the same amount individually.

It's like goals scored in lesser leagues not valued as much in the golden shoe race.

>>77666418
>implying barca needed Messi when they had Xavi, Iniesta and Eto'o

Messi's international record is irrelevant since he plays on a team that would be worse than the US without him. Ronaldo goes down and Portugal since win the final.

>>77665381
You idiots were no where to be found until eder won a euro for portugal

Ronaldo's career is missing most the euro final on a booboo.
Messi could probably play a real sport of he wanted to. Ronaldo could only model.

>>77667653
actually we were cheering for him in his 2008 balon dor season where he set the record for most goals in a 38 games season, scored and won the CL final
did you even know the messi name before 2009?

>>77667638
Copa America vs Chile

Group Stage w/o Messi: Argentina win
Final w/ Messi: Argentina lose on penalties

>>77667432
Except those are considered some of Messi's best years moron.

Team supported;
>Liverpool
Who do you think is more talented;
>Messi
Who do you think has had the better career;
>Ronaldo atm

>>77665381
>Team supported;
Inter
>Who do you think is more talented;
Messi
>Who do you think has had the better career;
Ronaldo. I mean, come on, ffs Messi doesn't even have any national trophy.

>>77667826
Eder>Messi confirmed.

>>77666329
What does he say "---- a tu madre"

>Team supported;
>>Man United
>Who do you think is more talented;
>>Messi. Out of this world.
>Who do you think has had the better career;
>>Ronaldo, no doubt.

If you had asked the same question in 2013, everyone would have said Messi for both.

But Ronnie really has taken his career to the next level in past 4 years

Messi aged like milk
Ronaldo aged like wine

>>77665381
Messi had a higher but shorter peak than ronaldo, while ronaldo's peak has been longer. So Ronaldo > Messi , but Peak Messi > Peak Ronaldo

Messi is more talented.
CR7 is the better player since 2014, and has a better career.

If Ronaldo's next 3 years are like the last 3 Messi may never catch him desu

>>77665709
This

Madrid is a team that is constantly switching coaches and players, and he obviously had to do more, when messi started a team was already in place and kept going, unfortunately Barcelona is run by a bunch of idiots and thus messi sucks ass

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Dominican here. Don't know anything about football, but Ronaldo is goat. Fuck argentinians

>>77665381
>Team supported;
Whoever is managed by my nigga, Mouyes. Also Milan when Sheva played for them.

>Who do you think is more talented;
Obviously Messi.

>Who do you think has had the better career;
Obviously Ronaldo.

>>77665418
>Messi
Barcelona
La Liga: 2004–05, 2005–06, 2008–09, 2009–10, 2010–11, 2012–13, 2014–15, 2015–16
Copa del Rey: 2008–09, 2011–12, 2014–15, 2015–16, 2016–17
UEFA Champions League: 2005–06, 2008–09, 2010–11, 2014–15

>Ronaldo
Premier League: 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09
FA Cup: 2003–04
UEFA Champions League: 2007–08
La Liga: 2011–12, 2016–17
Copa del Rey: 2010–11, 2013–14
UEFA Champions League: 2013–14, 2015–16, 2016–17
UEFA European Championship: 2016


Deleted the irrelevant shit.

Messi is the mainstream but ultimately correct choice. Ronaldo is the edgy 4chan contrarian choice.

>>77669108
>Including Euro 2016
He didn't genuinely play in that match.

>>77669128
He made crucial contributions leading to it.

>>77669128

He did play, retard.

Got subbed in minute 25.

>>77669137
I'm sure the referees would have fulfilled the obligations of their UEFA orders without him on the field desu

>>77669141
>Spic reading comprehension

>>77669137
They could have drawn their way to the final without him. In fact they might have actually won some games if they didn't need to satisfy his hero obsession in their game plan

>>77669161
Maybe but they looked pretty toothless without him in the final (against a much better team admittedly) but whataboutery shouldn't matter when he scored or assisted in almost every game and helped the team by simply being on the field and drawing attention away from his teammates. He contributed to their euro win.

>>77669153

>Ronaldo didn't play that Match because i say so

Funny thing Is that you complain about Ronaldo in a match he actually played and not about Messi's first CL.

>>77669175
Id assume shills would think so

>>77665381
Messi is more talented. But if Barca keeps getting shit and Ronaldo stays at this level and performing, he will btfo messi

>>77667203
>1 Euro is worth the same as 1 Copa del Rey
It should be worth at least 4 titles since it's every 4 years, and given how hard it is to win one, I'd say it should be worth more

>>77669196
Cheerleaders don't win titles though

Messi is much more flashy and talented than CR7 and still their level of production is similar, that makes CR7 the automatic better player in my eye. CR7 is more clutch too.
Both have goat careers but I rate Ronaldo's higher (won nt trophy and proved himself in two different leagues).
Also Ronaldo Kept himself in the conversation for the best player when Real was vastly inferior to Barça and never threatened yo leave. It is going to be interesting what Messi does this year, in the same situation.

>>77669218
>Messi is much more flash

his only gimmick is literally running in a straight line relying hgh for acceleration

>>77667203
Messi: 8/5/4/0
Ronaldo: 5/3/4/1

In terms of club titles Messi has done better but Ronaldo has that international title.

>Chelsea
>Ronaldo
>Ronaldo

>>77669279
hgh or not (proof?) we have never seen anything like his ability to keep the ball on his toes. No one has ever come close to his level of control.
(Not saying anything about career here, just addressing that one fact.)

>>77668654
Coña de tu madre

Mothers cunt basically

>>77665381
Brighton
Messi
Ronaldo

Messi is more naturally talented but Ronaldo has worked so hard, much more inspirational than Messi desu.

>>77669403
Concha

>>77669215
Substract the first UCL from Messi then, he wasn't even featured in the final

>>77669362
its on his wiki. In case you have only uefalona tv in iceland, ronaldo dribbled through the eplel in a style messi could only dream of, fatnaldo was twice the dribbler and ronaldinho fanbois used this exact same argument

>>77669440
Penaldo cant get dribble shit let alone as good a Messi..

>>77669426
or the semis
or the quarters

>>77669161
They would've been out in the groups had Ronaldo not saved their ass vs Hungary.

>>77665381
I prefer ronaldo simply because he started his professional career at a somwhat local club and worked his way up and he was already GOAT at ManU.

messi is barca's personal lab experiment

>>77665381
I think Messi is naturally more talanted, but Ronaldo has surpassed him as a player through his sheer autistic training schedule.

>>77669161
>They could have drawn their way to the final without him.
no they couldnt have. if you win so closely, every single goal and assist is crucial to proceed. it's bananas not to give ronaldo part of the euro 2016 credit when he's the highest scorer of the team and literally all of his goals and assists was necessary

>>77669597
ronaldo was saved by a deflected goal, portugal despite being thrid of their groups didn't get kick out because iceland scored a last second goal against austria.

cr7 is luckier than he is skilled, the opposite of messi

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>>77669635
>hes still fucking mad 1 year later

>>77668924

Underrated post.

Messi 5 ballon dor, ronaldo 4, so no. Word

>>77669648
most tsuboys on this board are new worlders

>>77669680
ronaldo is guaranteeed to win the upcoming one though

>>77669603 this

Ronaldo.

Do you guys understand what Real just did? 3 Cls in 4 years. Two in a row. That's like the best perfomance in history. Way better than what the so called best team ever (Guardiola's).

Messi still has more league titles and individual awards, so no.

None of that matters though. Messi could retire today and Cristiano still wouldn't surpass him even if he kept up his current form till he's 40. Gerd Muller had a way more successful career than R9, but the majority of people would rate Ronnie higher in the GOAT ranking because his ability far exceeded Gerd's.

>messi
uefababby, hyped to rack up sponsor and revenues, will be forgotten even before he retires
>Ronaldo
talented and hardworking, on the Olympus of football

MESSI
MESSI
MESSI

>>77665516
Messi does more for Barca because he demands the system to be centered around him - that's why he ran every other star player out of Barca as they didn't want be reduced to grunts whose sole role is to witness Messi/win the ball back when he loses it

Ronaldo meanwhile plays within the system and thus allows other players to flourish. All of that while essentially matching up Messi in productivity while only having the ball at his feet for half as much possessions per game

>>77665599
Hey, at least you got quad dubs

>>77670025

What utter bollocks

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>>77665599
Quad dubs!

>>77670085
prove me wrong, Usman

>>77665516
*Barcelona without Neymar falls apart

Ronaldo got destroyed, humiliated and clowned by Messi and Messi's Barca during all his prime

then he got carried by Marcelo/Modric/Casemiro/Ramos to a few trophies

>>77670158

Messi gave up his false 9 role so Suarez could play striker. He also creates more chances than any other player in world football, it's not his fault the likes of Ibra and Sanchez missed sitter after sitter. Neymar leaving has nothing to do with having to play for Messi, he left because he knows he's never going to look like the BPITW when he's playing alongside the literal GOAT.

>Ronaldo meanwhile plays within the system and thus allows other players to flourish. All of that while essentially matching up Messi in productivity while only having the ball at his feet for half as much possessions per game

This is so backwards. Benzema was the most promising striker in the world when Real signed him, and his entire career up to this point has consisted of playing a supporting role for Ronaldo by drawing defenders away from him. Bale has been a disappointment also because he can't play that free role he had at Spurs since Cristiano already occupies it. And Ronaldo can only match Messi in goals, and he has to sacrifice every other part of his game to do so. Meanwhile Messi drops back in midfield, creates 10 chances a game while also effortlessly scoring 50 a season.

>>77670273
wow, you are retarded, stick to cricket paki

>>77670344

Nice refute gypo

its kinda funny

when ronaldo was in his prime, barca were.

when messi is in his prime, madrid are.

>>77670358
Messi was in his prime when he was 24.

>>77670269
>a prime OP barcelona carried by Xaviniesta vs a weakened transition real madrid
Idk man, maybe Ronaldo is just now being carried as much as messi was by his team.

Messi
Messi
Messi
Don't give a shit who has won what. Only care what they do with ball at their feet. Messi is magic and out of this world gaynaldo is a lame horse.

>>77667638
The main problem with the argie NT is that Messi was good since his youth so the AFA put everything on him hoping that he will be good for 15 years. So almost no other player felt important and expressed his talent.

>>77667638
Argentina's NT is fucking stacked. "worse than the US", don't make me laugh.

>>77670273
so messi

>takes the most shots
>attempts the most dribbles
>attempts the most passes
>turns the ball over the most

In short, he is a ballhog. It doesn't matter that he gets assists when, again and again, he has to be the guy who initiates the play while others are forced to stand around so he can do his thing and don't throw a fit.

You think Ronaldo couldn't get 15 more assists per season, if he forced himself into the central midfield, pushed everyone else aside and took 40 more possessions per game than he does now? He easily could but he doesn't think of himself to be above the team. Messi wants to be the system and muscles out everyone who who doesn't want to conform to that. Neymar bailed out because of that, just like Ibra and other before that.

>>77670737
>You think Ronaldo couldn't get 15 more assists per season, if he forced himself into the central midfield, pushed everyone else aside and took 40 more possessions per game than he does now? He easily could but he doesn't think of himself to be above the team.

ahahahahahaha

CR7 is a Zidane babby

>>77665418
>UEFA European Championship: 2016

MESSI BTFO. How will he ever recover?

barcelona's downwards straight into post Riijkard time and if Real will be able to manage third CL and second La Liga in 2 years discussion will be over forever and Messi will be finished ( probably can even run to some shitty domestic team)

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>>77669635
Dont cry dude

>>77665381
Team supported;
>Olympiakos

Who do you think is more talented;
>Messi
He literally relies on his talent. He was as talented at his debut and he is as talented now. He never really progressed - changed style of play to stick to a team nothing. He was just there and whole team, knowing his capabilities, tried to serve him as good as possibly. Ronaldo on the other side is clearly not that talented. The fact that he worked to build a decent body and physicue ,and the fact that he became better year by year until his cap,prove he wasn't given this talent, he worked for it.

Who do you think has had the better career;
>Ronaldo
He was scouted in a small league full of Meme players, where he stood out, nothing serious tbf I mean even Danilo and some chicanos shine in that league. He went to United and won everything he could with it. Then, he went to Real and did the same thing. He has won fewer Spanish titles but one can debate weather Messi could win as much with an English Club. Im not saying it's a harder/easier championship but key players seem to fail miserably in that League.
Also a legit International Title.

In my humble opinion I would put both of them in the top 11 ever. I know some names from the 70s-80s-90s will pop up but honestly haven't there been 100 posts saying that defenders since 2000s and after were just filling gaps? The fact that Messi and Ronaldo still pound such stats even though defensive football is an easy option against them, proves they belong in the GOATs.

>>77670009
tf
tp
>makes sense

>>77670682
>So almost no other player felt important and expressed his talent.
WHAT

HIGUAN
DI MARIA
DYBALA
AGUERO
MASCHERANO

vs Portugal
Quaresma???
Nani???
Pepe???
and a bunch of literal whos that Jorge Mendes gets on the eleven so he can sell to stupid teams for their weight in gold and more.

>>77665381
It's obvious ronaldo has had the better career despite not being the most naturally talented

It's obvious ronaldo has had the better career because he is more naturally talented

Walking around the streets of Madrid today, seeing Messi's face adorn the streets of the Adidas store.

Messi. Messi. Messi. When Messi wins, we all win. But Messi winning and Barcelona winning are two different things altogether

>>77665683
A real self made man

>>77670273
Absolutely destroyed

>>77670737
>You think Ronaldo couldn't get 15 more assists per season, if he forced himself into the central midfield, pushed everyone else aside and took 40 more possessions per game than he does now?
You subhuman third world tsufaggots are completely out of touch with reality. You should have kept subtly shitposting rather than go full retard.

>>77676302
>out of touch with reality
Ronaldo scored 60 goals and 15 assists while creating the 3rd highest amount of chances in the 2011/2012 season for Madrid. stop posting retard.

>>77676331
>5 years ago when Tsu could still dribble without tripping on his aging roided legs
Dumb, retarded smelly chicano.

>>77676348
What's your point? He created the most goal-scoring opportunities for Madrid in the CL this season and was the 2nd highest chance creator for Madrid the entire season. Maybe go watch Benzema in the games vs Napoli or Atletico if you want to know where the majority of those chances went
Pro-tip: not into the net

>>77676331
>The Liquidator of Leganes

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>>77676366
Yeah it's a shame he couldn't be the eviscerator of eibar this season.

>>77670914
By winning his own international title...Oh wait...

>>77676363
I am a die hard cristiano fan and I still think Messi slightly edges out CR7. Not by the amount the Messibabys run around barking but very very slightly.

But I can't help but smirk to see messi failing without iniesta spoon feeding him.

>>77676464
Yes I think Messi is slightly more talented than Ronaldo as well and you can see instances of Messi putting in god-like performances (CDR Match against Atletico in 2008) but the bias delusional fanboys have on both sides is embarassing to see

>>77665468
>today
Yeah, that changes everything, doesn't it?

>tfw people rate Messi with 4 Champions

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>>77676302
Smelly dumb Messhit scum. Keep in mind Messi was playing in the league 5 years before Cristiano

>>77665488
t. Arsenal fan tv

>>77667203
Messi is better and has had a better carreer

>>77677294
Wasn't just today m8. Where was Messi last season in CL? Scored 10 goals in the stages but literally had 0 in the knockout rounds. Neymar is the only reason they won PSG

>>77665503
WHich season was that?? Yeah that always be changing all the time between them

>>77667357
>argentina squad
>strong

>>77667366
Madrid is just as shitty as barcelna

who would win?
>10 messis with 1 tsu
>10 tsus with 1 messi

>>77665381
team: inter milan
more talent: messi
better career: ronaldo

>>77665714
>IMPLYING messi hasn't had top tier players with him in literally every year of his career

Team supported;
>Flamengo
Who do you think is more talented;
>Ronaldo
Who do you think has had the better career;
>Ronaldo

>>77667920
>it's a zaza > cp3 episode

>people replying Ronaldo to 'who is more talented'
ebin trolols!

>>77669108
This nigger gets it.

Messi is definitely more naturally gifted but Ronaldo is a grafter and has been at the top for his country and two teams whereas Messi has not done shit for his country and has only been at the top (emphatically so but still) in a team which essentially boasted near across the board World Cup/Euro winning talent in a 2 team league.

There's a limit to talent but not to improvement.
Messi could never jump 1m in the air to score with a stratospheric header.

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>Domestic titles
Ronaldo has 5, Messi has 8 (three won before Ronaldo's arrival to Spain). Advantage: Messi.

>UCL titles
Messi and Ronaldo have 4 each, although it should've been 3 each (Chelsea got screwed by refs against Barcelona in 2009 and so did Bayern against Madrid in 2016). Tie.

>Ballons d'Or
Messi has 5, Ronaldo has 4 and soon will have the 5th. It should've been 4 each, as Messi hijacked one from Sneijder and Ronaldo did the same to Ribery. Tie.

>International achievements
Messi's Argentina narrowly lost to Germany in World Cup final; Ronaldo's Portugal has narrowly beaten France in EURO's finals (but he was injured). Both players were carried to those achievements by teammates, namely Mascherano and Pepe. Tie.

>head-to-head results
Messi holds the lead here with 15 wins to 10 Ronaldo's wins (with 8 draws). Also, Messi scored 20 goals vs CR7's teams to Ronaldo's 18 vs Messi's teams. Advantage: Messi.

>systembabbying
Both performed great with great teams around them, both had worse (but still respectable) seasons with weaker teammates. People will shit on Messi's Xavi/Iniesta dependency, but where would Ronaldo be without Benzema and Marcelo? 100% tie.

>individual talent, skills etc.
It's all opinions and no facts, so no comments.

>>77682513
You have to give international achievements to Ronaldo, he's won a major tournament with his country. Both players have lost finals, but Ronaldo won one.

>>77682513
>Balon d'Or
>Messi has 5
Wut?

>>77682538
>won one
>got injured after 25 minutes of the final

Like I said, all that success was down to other players. Plus, Ronaldo's never even been to the World Cup semifinal.

>>77682571
He carried that team desu

>>77682571
It makes it seem like you have an agenda when you equate 0 trophies to 1 trophy.

>>77682513
All wrong.
Bayern didnt get screwed by Madrid. If you remove the ref mistakes (for the both teams you know) the outcome is exactly the same.
CR7 has an EuroCup and Messi nothing, you bias canno change that fact. Yes he was injuried in the finals but who cares. He was the best player in Protugal by far.
In head to head Cr7 is ahead when it matters, in finals.

>>77682582
>carried that team
He only had 2 great games: against Hungary and Wales. In other four, he'd only waste chances.

>>77682586
I do equate two final appearances in two big, international competitions when those appearances didn't contribute anything to the result of the final.

>>77682612
>Bayern didnt get screwed by Madrid
Really?

>If you remove the ref mistakes the outcome is exactly the same
Yeah, like we know what would've happened if Vidal was on the pitch for the entire match.

>>77682571
>Plus, Ronaldo's never even been to the World Cup semifinal.
Actually, he has.

>>77682668
Vidal should have been ejected in minute 47 in the other match. There were plenty of errors to both sides (2 Offsides goals for Madrid we know, but also and offside goal for bayern).
Ref was more one sided for example in the UCL barca-madrid when he redcarded Pepe for no contact and disallowed a legal goal for Madrid so you can substract that one too for Barca.

>>77682513
Fucking this except the last part, Messi is by far superior to Ronaldo and can play in literally every attacking position. Ronaldo is more effective scoring because he has more power and is taller. Also, Ronaldo is declining since 2015 but carried by the best Madrid in the last 15 years, he can move freely around the box while his teammates create chances for him, especially Marcelo/Carvajal. Just look at most of his goals in the last CL, he's completely ALONE inside the box or directly offside.

Messi though has to carry Barça playing in the midfield (as Barça midfield has been shit since 2015) and also has to be the main scorer as Suarez/Nerman missed 3/4 clear chances per match. Then with the national teams it was demonstrated that Argentina is a poor team without Messi (they lost most of the WC qualifying matches without him) while Portugal was able to beat France even without Ronaldo, which of course played a mediocre Eurocup.

Ronaldo has won titles with four different teams while Messia only with one. I think Messi is more talanted but Ronaldo has had a better career.

>>77682513
only smart post ITT

>>77682805
You could argue that this is the best Madrid team ever.

>>77682805
Messi has never carried Barca like Ronaldo did for Madrid in last UCL.
The ht of Ronaldo against Sweden is better than the whole Messi nt career.

>>77682748
Difference is the Bayern offside goal was excusable. The Madrid one's were completely inexcusable.

Say what you like about Vital being sent off, but you can't deny that Mr. Impregnable to being sent off aka Casemiro should of also walked, twice over.

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For me, it's Arjhen Ruben

>>77683335
Did you even watch the matches? Real Madrid created a lot of chances in all of them and Ronaldo scored all those goals because he's good at that, not like Bencema or Morata. He's not the leader of the team anymore, RM is an amazing team in all the lines and their midfield is far superior to the rest, able to rape Barça without him. In general Ronaldo is still world class striker, but heavily depends on his team to create chances for him.

On the other hand Messi has been carrying Barça since 2010, literally the team is shit without him. He cannot score the same amount of goals as Ronaldo because he has to play as midfielder surrounded by 3 players all the time if he wants to touch the ball. It is true that his performance against PSG was not that good, but for example against Juve he was the best offensive player and the chances he created were missed by Iniesta and Suarez. You could argue that he's not that important with Argentina, although he was by far the best player of the team in the first 4-5 matches of the 2014 WC and most of matches in Copa America. He was unlucky to lose 3 finals as CR7 was lucky in the Euro 2016 getting the credit of a collective success.

>>77683335
>Ronaldo carrying Madrid

lol, they have by far the best midfield and fullbacks in the world, chances get layed on a plate for him. You're everything that's wrong with modern football, rating the goalscorer as the automatic best and most important player on the team. It's the team that carries his sorry arse, not the other way around.

>>77683363
Exusable or inexcusable, with VAR neither of the goals count and thats the only thing that matters.

>>77683454
Scoring goals is the most important aspect of the game by far. And you really underestimate how hard is to make them as consistently as Ronaldo does.
Without Ronaldo RM is harmless against any decent team. It was pretty evident in the last first leg against Barcelona.
Swap Ronaldo with any other player in the world and RM wouldn't have won last CL.

Ronaldo is almost a coprse these days. A great shot in a important game shouldnt overshadow the fact that he plays poorly the majority of the time. Highlight videos dont show reality.

Messi without great players around is useless in club and NT BUT always good for a dribble against weak teams.

Ronaldo has superior positioning and headers (Messi has none) and Messi has better dribbling.

Both equal at shooting the ball.

>>77683463
I dont rate the goalscorer, I rate the best goalscorer. Benzema, Bale, Morata (all of them forst class strikers) they all play(ed) with the same midfield and you know what, they sucked. All the midfields work worth nothing if you can put it in the net at the end and nobody do it like CR7.
And btw real mid is not that great generating chances, Marcelo & Carvajal are the ones in charge of that.
Just watch the UCL final, you are clueless if you think that two goals were not hard or top class.

>>77683463
Being there to do a "simple" tap in is a lot harder that it looks.
The way he moves, positions himself and anticipates every play, combined with his finishing abilities with both feet and head is what makes CR one of the best ever.

YOU are everything wrong with modern football, because you only look for dribbles and forget that football is actually a team sport.

>>77683498
I'm not denying that Ronaldo is an amazing striker, but his success is a consequence of RM midfielders domination + Carvajal/Marcelo who are top players in their positions. Again, he scored all those goals because he can move freely near the box, getting the ball completely alone. Without his teammates he wouldn't be able to create many chances on his own as he is not that good at dribbling anymore. Then you cannot say he is "carrying" the team, because that's not true. Also, of course not many players could score as many goals as him (as I said, he is still a world class striker) but RM would still be as dominant as they are.

A man ITT really said Messi is equal to Ronaldo internationally because he reached a WC final.

>my fucking sides

You know who you are and won't be getting a (you) from me.

Good day.

>>77683606
>YOU are everything wrong with modern football, because you only look for dribbles and forget that football is actually a team sport.

I'm not the one claiming Ronaldo carries Madrid though.

>>77683710

I'd say getting to a WC final and winning the WC golden ball is worth more than winning a shitty Euro where you weren't even on the pitch while it happened tbqh

>>77682513

By your standards Messi should have 2 Champions, because he didn't fucking play the cup after round of 16.

Also,

>Narrowly losing Is the same as narrowly winning.

kek

>>77683463

Remove Ronaldo's goals and RM would've been KO in QF

Sheffield United
Messi
Ronaldo just because he was immensely successful at Man U, then he went to a weaker Real side and now they're a trophy-factory. He also has an international title unlike Messi.

>>77665792
>Supports PSG who got humiliated by Barca.
>Gotta make sure everyone thinks we got humiliated by the best, to keep our pride.

Go away.

>>77665381
>Team supported;
Barcelona
>Who do you think is more talented;
Messi
>Who do you think has had the better career;
Messi

>>77665381
>Team supported;
Dep. Temuco
>Who do you think is more talented;
messi
>Who do you think has had the better career;
ronaldo

its simple ronaldo has more charisma, and that is a big thing nowadays

>>77683830
LOOL
He was the best scorer and made vital contributions
Messi hasn't even won a shitty Copa America

I would consider Messi the GOAT if he actually wins something with Argentina, hes just a mercenary. Couldnt get even a Copa America

>>77665381
>le peak with GOAT team vs le consistent with everyone he's played with

tsunaldo, not even close at this point.

>>77683463
>midfielder's job is to create chances
>attacker's job is to score

what a concept

>>77683830
shut up desu

>>77665477
This

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>>77665418
>UEFA Champions League: 2005–06

>>77682513
>messi almost didn't lose
>forgetting all the copa chokes
>the bench babby cl counts
l m a o

Why do some people try to downplay TSU contribution for the 2016 Euro victory just because he is injured in the final?

>>77682513

>Where would Ronaldo be without Benzema and Marcelo?

Winning Champions League in ManU and winning the Euro Cup with Portugal.

Get the fuck out.

>>77690209
Because he didn't have a great performance neither. He sucked in 2 out of 3 group stage matches (even missing a penalty that could have been essential), and missed a lot of good chances against Poland/Croatia. He played very good against Hungary/Wales though.

The fact this thread exists and replies are serious means that at the very least, Ronaldo has seriously cut the gap and the two are near level now

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>>77694763
near level? kek

Under the lights, when it matters most, TSU always delivers.

>>77694781
Unironically the worst post ITT.

Man united.
Obv messi.
Both had amazing career. Ronaldo has been succesful with two clubs while Messi is a barça player his whole life. I'd say Ronaldo.

>>77667203
>counting Messis first CL

barca needs messi, ronaldo needs madrid