>Federer has won 42% of his slams against people named Djokovic,

>>77163268
>roidal
>murray the cuck
>djokovic the sl*vshit

>>77163307
>Lleyton "The GOAT" Hewitt
>Andy "The Slayer" Roddick
>Marat "The Snak" Safin

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Fucking kek

Which is more pathetic, the "Fed isn't GOAT" threads or "Brady isn't GOAT" threads?

>Federer is the only one who reaches finals on all surfaces
>Nadal and Djokovic mainly on their home surface (which means they avoid playing Federer on their weaker surfaces)

Confirmed for GOAT

>>77163268
Because despite cherry picked statistics he goes all the way more often than anyone else in the biggest tournaments

>>77163338
what's your arguments that Federer is the goat?

>>77163360

Not even worth justifying that question with an answer, kek

>>77163343
>>Federer is the only one who reaches finals on all surfaces

what?

Nadal has double the number of slams on his weakest surface than Federer does on his weakest

>>77163386
>i dont have any arguments

lmao, what a little pussy coward.

>>77163343
>Novak beat Federer 2 years in a row at Wimbledon

>Rafa won the arguably greatest match EVER at Wimbledon

>>77163268
Why is Murray even in this list? How is winning a slam against Murray an achievement? That's like saying winning a slam against Roddick is something to be proud of.

>>77163338
The messi isn't goat threads

>>77163268
Jokervich, Shital and Curry aren't good enough to even make the final to lose to Fedora most of the time.

>>77163395
>Nadal has more than 66% of GS on the same surface
>Federer has less than 43% of GS on the same surface

>>77163466
lmao Murray is about 10000x the player Roddick was.

if you take murray out then Federer's record is even worse lmao

>>77163466
Murray tries really hard in Masters tournaments which is why he's rated the number 1 player int he world.

>>77163516
Do the same for Djokovic

>>77163516
what's that got to do with this
>Federer is the only one who reaches finals on all surfaces

being an absolutely nonsense statement?

>>77163337
When Federer beat Hewitt at Wimbledon, Hewitt was the defending fucking champion and had been the number 1 ranked player in the world just 6 months prior.

>>77163613
Sorry, make that the youngest ever world number 1.
Yeah I guess that was a lessor win by Federa just because his opponent would go on to a ten year career spiral.

>>77163268
19
8
5
5
1

L

> rafa losing to trash in early rounds better for his career than losing to Federer in final.

Federer would have smashed him at this Wimbledon. Rafa being too shit to reach the final so he protects his h2h is what you boast about.

>>77163540
lmao he hasn't won more than 1 match in any of the last 5 casual.

>>77163268
wait a second, are you only counting the finals?

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>>77163268

>20 GS

>>77163613
>>77163637
sorry but Hewitt wasn't very good. there's a reason he went tumbling down the rankings when Federer, Djokovic and Nadal showed up

>>77163268
If Nadal didn't exist, Federer would have practically 90% of his slams as well. Djokovic was a fucking nobody until Federed became ancient and injury prone, that's when Djokobitch decided it would be ok to start roiding and move to the top. 10 years from now Federer and Nadal will be remembered as one of the greatest rivalries in Tennis. Federer is better than Nadal everywhere except in clay, the spanish cunt just got into Federe's mind and broke him.

>>77163338
What makes Brady the GOAT? I'm not really into to NFL, but what is special about him?

>>77163696
styles make matches

nadal style is a big problem for federer too.

>>77163703
Nothing. Peyton Manning was the better QB, but played for worse teams and coaches.

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some absolutely AMAZING, WORLD-CLASS, ALL TIME-GREATS he's played in there.

remember the 2006 final against THE GREAT BAGHDATIS????

or that 2007 battle agains the TITAN FERNANDO GONZALEZ???? WHAT A FUCKING GOAT!!!!!!

>>77163693
Yeah, his injuries and surgeries.

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>>77163338
>brady is 5 (five) years older
Roids are no joke

because he's the most graceful and a e s t h e t i c player
he's more interesting to watch than the two handed backhand slugggers like djokovic and nadal

>>77163814
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>>77163819
>4 slams missed


wow, its fucking nothing

>>77163814
yes, this definitely means he 100% didn't play any good players in the semis or quarters

Take away Nadal's RG, and you have a little better Andy Murray.

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19 - 15

>>77163864
I mostly put his eternal form slump down to breaking up with Kim Cljisters.

Yeah, but Federer beat Pete Sampras at Wimbledon. Can any of those other guys say that?

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Nadal crushing Federer in RG 08 in one of the most onesided GS finals in history then following it up a couple of months later by beating Federer in his best surface in the greatest match in Tennis history (Wimbledon '08) will define them.

Nadal will always have the GOAT peak.

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everyone is so fucking mad right now, i'm loving it.

>>77163954
And yet, couldn't even complete THE Grand Slam. A feat so easy Rod Laver did it twice.

>>77163954
This desu

except during that period Federer was recovering from glandular fever if i remember correctly, which is why his form dropped so much after 2007

glandular fever is often an illness you don't even recover from after several years

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>federer is not the goat because his opponents in major finals were mediocre players

not his fault all the ''best'' players were shit when it mattered the most.
it is his fault, however, that he was the most consistent.

nothing to see here, goat bein goat, carry on.

>>77163954
>noidal
>no masters cup

>>77164046
Based German tennis expert

>>77163268
Oh I'm sorry

Was he supposed to be beating Djokovic/Nadal/Murray when they weren't even professional?

From 1999-2006 was he supposed to just wait for everyone else to catch up?

Stupid slut.

You seem to forget that Fed is 5 years older than both of them

>>77164132
Based British tennis expert

>>77163338
Messi isn't GOAT threads

>>77164142
He's 6 years older than Djoko (and Murry)

>>77164189

GOAT of GOATs power ranking

1. Messi
2. Federer
3. Brady
4. Jordan
5. Bolt
6. Tiger

>>77164235
>Messi
>no International trophies
>winning less than CR7 for 5+ years now
>GOAT
lolno

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GOAT of GOATs power ranking

1. CR9/Djokovic/Schumacher
2. Everyone else

don't you faggots realize federer is meta developing this entire sport every 4-5 years all by himself.

there has never been a goater goat.

federer is the goat that is undisputed

only real question is whether roidal or djokovic is second(in this era)

>>77164142
>getting beat down by a 20 year old when your in your prime of your mid-20s

thats not something to be rpoud of

>Grand Slams since the emergence of Djokovic in 2008
Djokovic: 12
Nadal: 12
Federer: 7

how can you be considered the GOAT if you got BTFO by your only two rivals?

>>77164546
he's older
try harder

>>77164546
>be 5 and 6 year older than them
>still win
>Djoko now has a 18-month-long elbow injury
>Nadal's knees now explode every Thiem he sets foot outside clay
>Federer is in better shape than everyone else

>>77163268
19 BABY HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
KEEP CRYING
>Can't even acknowledge age difference

keep crying faggot

>>77163814

Gonzalez beat Nadal.

Remember that Nadal is 5 years and younger than Federer. Look at what Nadal does 5 years after Federer in slams.

Nadal loses in 5 sets to fognini, pouille, Muller. The equivalents 5 years before for Federer were losing to Djokovic, Djokovic, and winning (or Djokovic again if you want to compare Nadal at Wimbledon with Federer at french).

The Nadal embarrassment is JUST BEGINNING. We still have FIVE (5) (101) years of watching nadal getting BTFO until we compare him with Federer today.

>>77164708
>Nadal's knees now explode every Thiem he sets foot outside clay
HAHA the way you people talk about Nadal sounds like he is some sort of clay living creature. I imagine him just flapping around on the grass like a fish on dry land if he plays wimbledon. If he plays on hardcourt or grass he needs to smear his boots in clay first to keep his knees from exploding.

>>77163268
>Murray
Who is this dork?

People forget that Fed is 35. This is 8 years past his prime right now.

>>77163543
50% (6 Aussies / 12 total).

>>77164670
>>77164708
yes, being older is an advantage you clowns.

you think a 25 year old getting his shit pushed in by two 20 year olds is impressive? lmao

>>77163268
Reminder that Murray lost to Sam Querrey.

Any proof nadal/djok did roids?

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>>77163814
>tfw you now remember soderling

>>77163268
>'Federer only wins Grand Slams against literally who players lmao'
>'d-doesn't matter if Roidal or Djokovic lost against another literally who in QFs'

>>77163268
Because 15, 12 and 3 are all smaller numbers than 19.

>>77166685
i guess margaret court is the greatest player ever in the history of human tennis

>>77166402
RIP in peace

>>77166778
Female, yes, because 24 is a larger number than 23. Do you see how it works?

>>77166946
no not female.

of all humans. she has the most grand slams you see.

you see how it works?

Fed isn't part of the nadal/djokovic generation he's from the Hewitt Roddick gen and still dominating today while Nadal djokovic get btfo

>>77167017
>dominating Djokovic/Nadal
>has beat Nadal in a grand slam once since 2007
>has lost last 5 grand slam matches to Djokovic

nice fake news there

>>77167094
*5 in a row that should read

>>77167094
Fed has beaten Nadal the past 4 times they've played and if djokovic could make it past the 4th round fed would best him too

>>77164235
Who is Brady?
Also, basketball isn't a real sport.

>>77165995
All the better players on tour at the moment are past their best and over 30 years old.

The younger gen on tour are fucking awful

>>77167198
>if djokovic could make it past the 4th round fed would best him too
Based on what exactly? Their recent H2H doesn't suggest so

Federer's peak was 04-07 which he completely dominated and then contracted mononucleosis which fucked up 2008 for him and was never the same. It's a seriously bad illness which takes a while to recover from

This was the birth of Federror, I remember he got BTFO in the 2008 olympics by James Blake

If you look at him in more recent years he's definitely just as good as he was in his peak if not better, but obviously not as physically fit so it's slightly unfair to compare him to Nadal and Djokovic in their head to heads in slams considering they are younger, and taking everything else into account

>>77167393
Djokovic past last years French has been awful

>>77167198
>Fed has beaten Nadal the past 4 times they've played

lmao in mostly pointless matches.

Nadal is massively ahead overall and in slam matches. you shouldn't really be talking about their H2H, Nadal shits all over him in every aspect of it

Saying Djokovic and Nadal is better than Federer is like saying Lampard and Gerrard were better than Scholes

>>77167459
yes mononucleosis, not that he had to start playing against a more combative and aggressive opponent

>If you look at him in more recent years he's definitely just as good as he was in his peak if not better
he's no where near the player he was ten years ago, don't be so fucking stupid.

>>77167505
Federer as had a better career and that cannot be denied. He'll certainly be regarded as the best on major wins alone, but you cannot overlook the fact that both Nadal and Nole have better H2H against him.

>>77167513
>yes mononucleosis, not that he had to start playing against a more combative and aggressive opponent

Mononucleosis is a debilitating disease especially for athletes, that's why his performances were so affected in 2008, it wasn't just against Nadal

He was nowhere near the level he was at the year before, he completely lost his sense of invincibility but gradually refound his form, but he'd begun to age

>he's no where near the player he was ten years ago, don't be so fucking stupid.
his serve's just as good if not better, he's mixed up his game more, become more aggressive, he's changed his game m8.

>>77167586
Novack only leads the H2H by 1 match, which came from last year. Fed certainly would have tied or passed him had they met this year in either Indian Wells or Wimbly.

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>>77167505
but fat frank and slippy were better than the ginger

>>77167497
>aus open and 2 1000 masters are pointless

Casuals please go away

Federedditors are cancer

>>77167723
>canadian flag
>calling them "1000 matsrs"

lmao you're the only casual here mate, who are you trying to kid?

>>77167744
This, cant wait for Djovak to finish his cycle and come back to rape the corpses of Nadal and Federer next year.

>>77167497
>AO and Miami final
>Indian Wells QF
>pointless

>>77167647
>Novack only leads the H2H by 1 match, which came from last year.
But still leads it, which is the point bring made.

>Fed certainly would have tied or passed him had they met this year in either Indian Wells or Wimbly.
Absolutely no guarantee of that whatsoever. Let's just stick with facts, eh?

And interestingly you've decided to completely ignore the Federer-Nadal H2H, which is quite extraordinary.

>>77167809
>Miami
>Indian Wells
kys federedditor spic, go post in the shitskin general

>>77163829
Brady doesn't juice, he looks younger because of that voodoo magic his Mexican doctor runs on him.

>>77167809
well they are

to try and use them as a point-scoring exercise over nadal is tragic. especially when the H2H between nadal and federer is crushingly dominated by nadal

>>77167641
>his serve's just as good if not better,
he's overly dependant on his serve because other parts of his game had been ruthlessly exposed, hence why he couldn't compete

>he's mixed up his game more,
no he hasn't. his game is far more limited than it has ever been

>become more aggressive
hahahah, absolute bollocks. aggressive is definitely not what he is now.

>he's changed his game m8.
yes, but not for the better.

you're clearly a tennis casual who knows nothing about the sport, or federer. do not reply to me again unless it is to apologise for your stupidity and ignorance, you mug cunt.

>>77167913
They aren't. Stop being fucking silly, mate. All the top players compete in them and play to win. To claim they're pointless is fucking moronic.

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sorry, but you cant be the GOAT if you've been completely and utterly annihilated by your closest rival like this.

Rod Laver and Borg are the best tennis players ever.

>>77167935
>conveniently ignores the part about glandular fever affecting his performances post '08
>i'm right you're wrong, but i'm not going to back up my opinion

great discussion lad, truly astounding post

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>>77167966
Djokovic confirmed as GOAT

>>77168019
you have no evidence of whether it affected his performance longterm or not, it's utter heresay and speculation, why would you expect anyone to take that point seriously?

>>77168019
>constantly trying to use "illness" as an argument
>gets btfo when his nonsense is exposed as the ignorant shite it is
>cannot reply to any of the points

apologise you thick bastard then throw yourself off beachy head

>>77167997
You know that if you take clay out of those Federer is ahead, right?

>>77168045
Not until he wins 20+ majors, which won't happen.

>>77167997
>12-10 out of clay for Fed
Federer confirmed better

>>77168103
You know of you take out hard courts, it's even more embarrassing for Federer, right?

>>77163814

Gonzo had one of the best forehands in history. How about you kill yourself faggot

>>77168084
>>77168076
do some research you mong, you clearly weren't into tennis if you can't remember the period where it came out he'd been suffering from glandular fever at the start of 2008. and you clearly can't remember watching his drop in performances against ALL opponents, he hadn't fully recovered and it hindered his ability, it is well documented

to completely disregard this as a factor would be silly

>>77168103
>>77168117
>o-o-o-nnly t-t-the surfaces i s-say count!!!!111!1

embarrassing.

>>77168218
>still won't address any other points
>still clings onto the glandular fever excuses which he knows nothing about

i told you to fuck off and kill yourself, now do it, you witless dumb mug cunt

>>77168156
No? Federer without HC:
>9 GS
Without grass:
>11 GS
Nadal without clay:
>5 GS
Federer without any of those surfaces is still an all-time great. Nadal without his clay is a slightly better Andy Murray.

>>77167834
>Absolutely no guarantee of that whatsoever.
Seeing how Federer has been the #1/2 player of the year so far and Novack is #7 is in the race, I would give Fed the edge. In 2015 when Djoko was in better shape 3/6 of his losses came from Fed.

>And interestingly you've decided to completely ignore the Federer-Nadal H2H, which is quite extraordinary.
It's is what is. Nadal got a few "cheap" wins in 2013 during Roger's worst year on tour with his bad back and new racquet (I'd favor Fed in Cincy and WTF given his success in those places and Nadal's lack of). They met only once in Rafael's nadir year of 2015.
40% meetings have been on clay and even more in the first half of the year, in which Nadal performs the best, while not that much in the second half of the year when Fed performs better. Rafael also has skipped/had early exits in slams and other events when Fed (and Djoko) made deep/deeper runs than him.

>>77168292
We're talking H2H, not just majors. Try following the actual conversation that is taking place, please.

>>77168218
>still has no evidence
>Y-Y-YOU TWO GUYS A-A-ARE J-J-HUST CAUALS IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE MY SPECULATION!!

you sound pathetic. like a child. not good.

H2h is the only thing slavshits and nadtards have. I will let them have it. Honestly, davydenko is the true goat with h2h over nadal

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>>77168330
>muh h2h

>>77168319
I only deal with facts, not ifs and buts, which you have convinced yourself are of great relevance.

That fact being Nadal has three times as many wins in majors against Federer and twice as many wins against Federer in ATP 1000 events.

It is a very interesting footnote in Federer's career that he has been comprehensively bettered by his closest rival.

>>77168407
Nice strawman. I bet you feel really clever.

>>77166995
Murray, Nadal and Djokovic could have the chance to face and beat Federer in the finals but they didn't because they weren't good enough.

Court plays in another category which only reason it exist is because they aren't as good as the important ones.

It is not even remotely comparable.

>>77168277
>>77168332
>k-kill u-urself f-f-faggot

lol

I don't get when some compare women's majors to men's when men have to play bo5 instead of bo3.

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>>77168461
probably best you stop now

>>77168483
Hot take

>>77168483
The only people that care about women's tennis are the sad fuck social media feminists who are desperately trying to shill this idea there is equality in the sport, when it's nothing more than patronising pandering to whinging roasties and fanny numales.

>>77168498
umm i never said anything about samefag sweetie

>>77168549
nor did i

you still need to kill yourself though, you thick cunt.

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>>77168647
you are so mad right now

>>77168461
i literally never said that.

>>77168702
>u-u mad

lmao. you arse has fallen out now you've been rekt by two different people.

>>77168778
your arse fell out long before when you got rekt enough to lose your marbles and resort to k-kill yourself lmao

Considering it isn't the same chav doing all these threads, why British hate federer so much?

>>77168816
you still won't address any points though, you utter coward. you're a tennis casual and clueless fuckwit who thinks reading fed's wiki page makes him informed.

what an embarrassment you are the the flag.

>>77168832
bongs love fed though. look at wimbly today. they'd lick his sweaty knackers if he got them out.

>>77168872
>you still won't address any points though, you utter coward. you're a tennis casual and clueless fuckwit who thinks reading fed's wiki page makes him informed.

literally talking about yourself

>>77163954
>Nadal
>GOAT Peak
>Who is Bjorn Borg

>>77168929
literally talking about you, you sneaky little casual shit.

>>77168271
Federer has a winning record on 2 surfaces out of 3

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>>77163268
>mfw when wins the US open
>mfw 20 GS
>3 GS at 35 years old

Federer is just way more talented. His playing style is 100 times more entertaining than the incredibly boring Murray/Djokovic/Nadal. Look when Djokovic was dominating like fuck nobody was watching tennis anymore. He is just a fucking robot trying not to make unforced errors. What's fun about that ? Same for Murray. All he does is put the ball back in court. Nadal is a little less pathetic but it's boring right left right left with his lifts. That's why everybody loves Federer way more than those 3 boring fucks.

>>77169023
>o-o-o-nnly t-t-the surfaces i s-say count!!!!111!1

embarrassing.

>>77169023
Yes, by a single game, and still trails in their H2H.

>>77164235
> No Bradman

Pleb detected.

>>77169057
>His playing style is 100 times more entertaining
10 years ago maybe, certainly not anymore.

>Look when Djokovic was dominating like fuck nobody was watching tennis anymore.
Yes they were. Literally millions were tuning in to watch tennis, venues were packed, revenues were soaring, stop posting your ignorant bollocks and trying to dress it up as facts.

lol at Federer fanboys trying to wipe out 2008.

The absolute state of these clowns.

why is everyone balding

>>77169338
PEDs

>19

Argument over.

>>77163696
>Federer is better than Nadal everywhere except in clay, the spanish cunt just got into Federe's mind and broke him.

It's just a bad matchup.

Left hand, super defensive, super grip, super court coverage, insane top spin.

Toni made Nadal into the anti-Federer because that's the only way he could become a contender.

>>77165413
>The Nadal embarrassment is JUST BEGINNING. We still have FIVE (5) (101) years of watching nadal getting BTFO until we compare him with Federer today.

Oh boy I can't wait to watch him crash out of RG again next year

He will decline so hard now that he's pushing 31

I would rate that 3 Grand Slam titles = 1 Super Bowl title. So Federer has 6 rings to Brady's 5. Therefore Federer slightly > Brady in GOATness

>Its federers faulth the big four didnt show up in the finals to get destroyed by the goat

OP is absolutely retarded

>>77164235

No Jordan, no Ronaldo, chunk potatoes up your ass.

>>77167497
>Nadal is massively ahead overall and in slam matches. you shouldn't really be talking about their H2H, Nadal shits all over him in every aspect of it

Federer is leading their h2h on all surfaces except clay

Check your facts nigger.

>>77163814
>remember the 2006 final against THE GREAT BAGHDATIS????
Yes, this is the earliest GS that I remember watching.

>>77166402
Thanks to his demise Stan arose. It's a positive balance for me despite that I also liked him.

>>77169499
By ONE game. You talk about facts yet ignore the fact that their H2H is heavily weighted in favour of Nadal

>>77169710
>By ONE game.

One game is one game, wanker.

>>77169710
>You talk about facts yet ignore the fact that their H2H is heavily weighted in favour of Nadal

It's not skewed on any surface except clay.

Again get your facts straight.

And leading on TWO surfaces is better than leading on ONE surface.

That alone makes Federer the better player. Also 19 lol

Hope Nadal and fed play each other at uso so fed can btfo him once again

>>77163268
Stat whores are absolutely insufferable.

>>77169818
this

>tfw Nadal declined before Fed
>tfw Fed reinvented his game and turned weakness into strengths
>tfw Nadal still can't do anything except sprint on clay

What a loser.

>>77169818
They'll at least meet at the WTF if Nadal doesn't skip it. Another BTFO guaranteed.

>>77169859

Jesuschrist, dude.

>>77169920
You know I'm right

>>77169779
>resorting to childish ad hominems because you're incapable of debating like a civilised adult

Brilliant.

Federer probably is the GOAT, it's hard to argue otherwise, what is an interesting footnote to his career though is his inferior H2H record against his two main rivals in the sport, particularly the one against Nadal.

>Again get your facts straight.

My facts are straight. 23-14 in favour of Nadal, 9-10 on hard courts, 1-2 on grass and 13-2 on clay. This to me suggests that the gulf in ability on clay between the two is vast, yet not so much so on other surfaces. What is also telling is the record in big games, like majors and ATP events where again, Nadal has a superior record.

This is certainly an inconvenient debate for the Fed fanbois who seem more interested in screeching nonsense than talk about the details of his career and the sport.

>>77169859
>>tfw Nadal still can't do anything except sprint on clay

Interesting how he played 5 sets in the final at Melbourne earlier this year on a hardcourt then, and has reached he finals of 2 other hardcourt events this season.

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>Federer isn't the GOAT

>>77170165
>but who is Rod Laver?

>>77170137
Interesting how his last HC title came from Doha 2014.

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She's truly the best

>>77170654
What relevance is that?

If the claim is that he cannot do anything except on clay, yet reaches the finals of ranking tournaments on hardcourts, including a major, can you not see how that aforementioned claim is utter bollocks?

Put aside your hatred for Nadal and try to look at it objectively. I mean, you wouldn't say Federer was a shit clay court player despite the fact he only has one clay title in the past 5 years.

also, i hate it when people say oh he didnt win this or that grand slam, and lost in the final like its not a huge feat.
90% of players on the atp (this is hundreds and hundreds of pro athletes who start careers at 6) will never ever reach even the semis in their entire careers.
fuck sake, gillers muller won his first ever tournament this year at the age of 34 or something

>>77171096
If you check, he also lost four RG finals against Nadal. That's right, the clay GOAT was the only one who stopped him from potentially having 5 RGs, a double calendar year Grand Slams (and three non-calendar) and 23 fucking slams.

>>77169499
>>77169779
>o-o-o-only the s-s-sufracs that s-suit my agenda count!!!!11!!11!1

lmao, kill yourself you sad little faggot

>>77171404
And how many majors has Federer stopped Nadal winning?

Utterly stupid position. It's never enough for the Fed fanbois to be content with what he has achieved that has delivered him GOAT status, they have to shit on everyone else and resort to speculative bullshit arguments about what he could also have won if not for this, that and the next thing.

All matches: Nadal, 23–14
All finals: Nadal, 14–9
Grand Slam matches: Nadal, 9–3
Grand Slam finals: Nadal, 6–3
Masters 1000 matches: Nadal, 12–6
Masters 1000 finals: Nadal, 7–4
Best of five set matches: Nadal, 11–4
Best of three set matches: Nadal, 12–10
Sets won: 67-48 Nadal


nice """GOAT""" you got there

>Federer has only beaten Nadal 9 times out of 30 in Slam and Masters matches
>less than a 30% win rate

Wow, that's genuinely embarrassing

>>77171689
19 (nineteen)

>>77163954
>greatest match in Tennis history (Wimbledon '08)
wut, lolno

>>77171689
>there are only two players in existance.

ok buddy.

>>77171689
19 > 13

>>77171715
That's because Nadal always gets eliminated early in Federer's strong surfaces, while Federer always makes it to the finals in clay

>>77168292
Don't forget Murray has two Olympic gold which I consider the equal of two majors. So Nadal is Murray when he's not playing in the mud.

>>77164470
Nadal is considered by many to be the 2nd best tennis player of all time.

>>77168433
Sorry m80, but the premise of this thread is that h2h determines the goat. All hail goat Davidenko!!

>>77171795
>Nadal slam finals on Hard in last 5 years: 4
>Federer slam finals on Clay in last 5 years: 0

>Nadal masters finals on Hard in last 5 years: 5
>Federer masters finals on Clay in last 5 years: 4

>Nadal total finals on hard in past 5 years: 24
>Federer total finals on clay in past 5 years: 7

nice argument you complete moron lmoa

>>77171795
>while Federer always makes it to the finals in clay
Why do people post utter clueless shit like this?

Since Federer won the French Open in 2009, he has only made the final in SEVEN clay court tournaments

kek djokovic literally just taking advantage of an aging federer and a poor nadal in recent years

>>77171795
>>77171899
>>77171921
This.

Federer's win% on clay is worse than Nadal's on both Hard and Grass

>>77171899
>last 5 years
>cherrypicking this hard

last 1 year:
Nadal 0 - 4 Federer

>>77163268

Basically when Feder is average he loses in a final

When the others are average they don't make it to the final

>>77171795
>That's because Nadal always gets eliminated early in Federer's strong surfaces,
like how he got eliminated early on the hard courts of the Australian Open?

Oh, wait...

>35 and still dominating despite tennis being more competitive than ever

>>77171961
how is it cherrypicking moron? it looks even worse for Federer if i extend it to career you absolute retard. would you like me to run you through it?

just admit you made a horrendous post and was massively wrong/

Clay: Nadal ahead H2H
Hard: Federer ahead H2H
Grass: Federer ahead H2H

2-1

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>>77171991
>more competitive than ever

>>77172023
He won more Grand Slams in the past few months than Nadal in 3 years

if nadal is so great and rogers opponents were so bad, why didn't nadal win all those slams?
checkmate homosexuals.

>>77172023
Well in Federer's career anyway.

>>77172011
>scrambling for relevance after you got BTFO hard

lmao, just get out of this thread. you got no reputation here any more

>>77172052
>cherrypicks years because he knows that when you look at all-time, Federer is superior
kek

19>13
Federer ahead H2H in anything not-clay
Have fun with your claybabby

>>77172036
>than Nadal in 3 years
>cherrypicking this hard

why are you such a fucking hypocrite?

pathetic spic

>>77171899
Federer is 5 years older you dumb fuck. Let's see Nadal's statistics for the next 5 years. I bet he'll win 2 slams in 2022.

>>77172063
>cherrypicks years
>doesn't like when others do it
L M A O

All time:
Federer 19 (nineteen)

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>>77170043
>the gulf in ability on clay between the two is vast, yet not so much so on other surfaces
>Fed dominated grass
>Roidal gets BTFO every year on grass by literal whos
>Somehow fed wouldnt obliterate him in H2H on grass if that roided spic actually managed to make deep runs

>>77172036
What has that got to do with the comment I was replying to you fucking black imbecile?

>>77172079
>between the two
It's like you don't understand words.

Djokovic is better than Nadal
Nadal is an absolute clay babby who got helpd by playing as a left-handed his whole career

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>>77172113
>claybabby
>won majors and masters on every surface there is

>>77172059
>cherrypicking

lmoa

>Nadal career slam finals on Hard: 7
>Federer career slam finals on Clay: 5

>Nadal masters finals on Hard in career: 16
>Federer masters finals on Clay in career: 16

>Nadal total finals on hard: 40
>Federer total finals on clay: 26


lmoa how wrong are you? pathetic little spic.

>>77163338
Man, brady's hand in this is hilarious

>>77172075
so he's played way more than Nadal, and done way worse?

is this supposed to be an argument in Federer's favour? fucking kek

>>77172129
>finals are titles
lmao

Federer: 101 titles
Nadal: 81 titles

L O L

Why are Fedfags such insufferable cunts? We know he's the GOAT, but at least show you actually follow his career and understand it, you ignorant twats

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>>77172111

>Bong understanding of arguments being made

it's like you're not even trying honey

>>77172156
titles on hard for Nadal: 16
titles on clay for Federer: 14


you've made an absolute fool of yourself, why do you keep digging? genuinely embarrassed for you mate

>>77172165
Why are you such an insufferable cunt? You've made at least 2 threads on this board already trying to bash Federer. You know no one is being influenced by your opinion, right?

>>77172151
>19
>15
in bongland the higher your slam count the worse you did apparently. Andy Murray just might be the greatest tennis player of all time all along lmao

so whats the difference in surfaces, what defines them? Movement and ball speed/angle?

t. non-tennis fag

>>77172175
You replied to my post then proceeded to misunderstand what I had posted despite the fact you had even gone to the trouble of quoting me directly.

What part of "the gulf in ability on clay BETWEEN THE TWO is vast, yet not so much so on other surfaces" did you not understand?

>People saying Nadal is better than Djokovic

Nadal is a clay babby. Djokovic has proven to be way more versatile on other surfaces. How do people not get this?

>>77172219
on clay, ball bounces higher and loses more speed
on grass, ball bounces less and doesn't lose much speed
hard court depends on each tournament, cincinnati is very fast, australian open used to be slower but aparently this year it was pretty fast

>>77163814
Hey respect Fernando Gonzalez you asshole.

>>77172204
>You've made at least 2 threads on this board already trying to bash Federer.

I haven't made any threads on here about Federer, you fucking nigger ham planet.

Look this whole thread is silly. It's not Fed's responsibility to make sure the best opponent comes through the other side of the draw to face him. The long standing measure of who's the greatest in the sport has always been measured by slams won in a career. Same as it is in golf. You don't knock Nicklaus based on who he had to beat in majors, he's the GOT because he has the most majors won in the modern era. Same with Fed. Until someone surpasses him, he's the best there is, deal with it.

>>77172226
>How do people not get this?
probably because rafa has numerous titles on non-clay surfaces

Reminder of what this little clown Argentinian has just said:

"Nadal always gets eliminated early in Federer's strong surfaces, while Federer always makes it to the finals in clay"

>gets shown that Nadal has made way more finals in past 5 years on Hard than Federer has on Clay

"Stop cherrypicking past 5 years. Look at whole career"


>gets shown that Nadal has made way more finals in his career on Hard than Federer has on Clay

"finals??? lmao. only titles count"

>gets shown that Nadal has made won way more titels on Hard than Federer has on Clay

*silence*


Have you ever seen a more embarrassing sequence of posts in your entire life? Tried moving the goalposts everytime and still got clowned.

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>literally 5 (F I V E) slams off clay
>these are the straws anti-fed fags grasp at

>>77172254
Djokovic outside of clay: 11 slams

Nadal outside of clay: 5 slams

What is your point exactly?

>>77171894
OP appears to have (((overlooked))) this inconvenient truth. Oh dear. How embarrassing.

>>77172278
my point is that rafa has numerous titles on non-clay surfaces.

thought i made this pretty clear in the post you quoted, but maybe you're one of those jfs we have in this country now and english isn't your first language.

>>77172302
Firstly, calm down.

Secondly, repeating that phrase doesn't invalidate my point that Djokovic is infinitely more versatile.

Anyone think Federer could ever beat Nadal at Roland Garros?

>>77172260
the majority of tournaments are played on hard courts. maybe that has something to do with it.

Guys can someone remind me how many grand slam titles Federer holds? And how many nadal, Novak etc.
Surely Nadal must have the most of these since they are the most prestigious tournaments which grant most points and prize money. If he is the goat.

>>77163954
>the greatest match in Tennis history (Wimbledon '08)
that's the US open 2011.

>>77172315
but you are simply incorrect and quite clearly a dumb johnny foreigner who needs to go back

>everyone arguing with 190 kg

why? It is obviously him with his trip off. He types the exact same style.

>>77172224

you absolute imbecile, what is so difficult to understand in the fact that we'll never get an accurate reprensentation of their H2H since Nadal choques every year on grass against literal whos

>main argument since the beginning of thread is H2H
>same H2H in which you only have 3 matches played on grass because Nadal gets BTFO by random cunts every year
> b-but i'm sure their ability on grass is quite similar hehe

Now proceed to kill yourself.

>>77172326
who said nadal is the goat?

>>77172342
>you are simply incorrect

Fuck me, guess that means I'm wrong then.

>getting this mad about being shown up by a jf

Can someone remind me who Nadal lost to in Wimbledon? Genuinely can't remember

>>77172357
Muller

>>77172347
HOW to settle the argument:
Nadal is better on clay
Roger is better on grass
Roger is better on hard
Roger is better

>>77172165
Yes 19 GS

>>77172357
Gerd Muller or something lol

>>77172357
Davydenko

>>77163696
this

>>77172184
and no tours finals wins

jej

>>77172364
/thread

>>77172347
>completely misunderstands the argument being made
>even quotes the part he misunderstands and argues against it
>has this pointed out twice to him
>loses his temper and starts throwing childish insults around

Mate, relax. No need to get angry. You didn't understand what I posted and that's fine. I've explained what I meant, you still don't get it.

Why are Federer fans so insecure? If he's really as GOAT as you say he is, you wouldn't have needed to spend 250 pages arguing about it.

Clearly isn't as cut and dried ad you think it is.

>>77172389
You do realise that literally everyone in this thread disagrees with you, right?

>>77172350
>u-u mad

lol, fucking state of the arrogant pakis on here who can't handle people challenging the shite they post.

>>77172421
absolutely seething

>>77172405
Disagrees with what exactly?

>>77171894
kek

>>77172390
stop being silly. people will always argue against someone who claim that earth is flat, doesn't mean they are insucure about their beliefs of their earth being round. Also people love to argue especially if they know they can be win the argument.

>>77172485
>"winning" arguments against wind-up merchants on 4chan

Truly a great achievement

why do pakis lose their temper then try to make out everyone else is angry? lmao, fucking currymunchers

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>>77171894
nice strawman

>>77172522
>everyone who disagrees with me is a paki

>>77172544
t. mad paki

>>77172568
haven't even been arguing with you champ

>>77172588
t. mad paki in denial

>>77172603
why are you lashing out at nothing? you seem seething.

>>77172631
t. mad paki in denial desperate for the last word

>>77172533
So we are agreed that h2h is irrelevant in determining the goat. Glad I was able to help you understand this.

>>77163703
He was lucky enough to be drafted by the greatest coach of all time, seriously

>>77172670
its not irrelevant at all

>>77172657
>why do pakis lose their temper then try to make out everyone else is angry? lmao, fucking currymunchers

this is literally you right now lmao. ironic.

>>77172695
t. mad paki outed as a smelly angry currymuncher

>>77172533

You posted this >>77172688 for the very purpose of showing that h2h is irrelevant to goat status, and now you contradict your own post. You seem confused.

>>77172739
lol no.

i posted it to show that anomaly stats can arise in small sample sizes.

>>77163268
>beating Murray in a final is worth more than beating Sampras or Agassi in one

>>77172780
>beating a 35 year old Agassi in one is worth more than beating prime Murray in one

it isn't btw

>>77172803

>"""prime""" Murray

Woah, it's absolutely nothing

>>77172803
Does that mean that Djokovic and Murray's wins against 30+ year old Federer don't count?

Honestly, this year seems to be proving that Djokovic and Murray post-prime declines are far bigger than Federer's was.

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>>77172820
dont even be as retarded as to even try and argue that a 35 year old Agassi was better than peak Murray.

don't be an utter mongoloid please

nadal is number 2 ever
i'm so proud of him

>>77163814
To be fair, Fernando Gonzalez and Baghdatis didn't even have the chance to become great because Federer beat them.

>>77172871
Based Kei

>>77172845
it doesn't mean anything.

Federer played Agassi in a slam final once. Nadal, Djokovic never did. Why would the OP include that in the post? it's irelevant and doenst change the stats in any meaningful way

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By decade

>>77167338
This. At the rate at which competition is (not) coming in at the lower levels (as the best yuropoor athletes go into soccer, America just stops producing good players due to lack of interetst in tennis and losing athletes to more lucrative sports, and people in general opting out of sending their children to draconian tennis training schools from social pressure); we are guaranteed to see a very high performing group of people who should be getting their asses handed to them by dint of their age keep being able to persist against a wretchedly unskilled lower generation.

In a healthy era, the slam count of the big four would be HALVED, easily, and we would see Federer with 9 or 10 slams, Nadal with 7 or 8, Djoker with 5 or 6, Murray with MAYBE one. It is unlikely that any would have a career slam. They're all very good players, but the numbers they are putting up reeks of a bad younger generation and it's being proven that this is the case as time goes on; and NOT that we are just lucky enough to see a bunch of all-time greats at the same time.

>>77173003
hardest eras

1. 2010s
2. 1980s
3. 1990s
4. 1970s
5. 1960s
6. 2000s

if we value a slam in strongest era as 3 points, and a slam in the weakest era as 1 point(going down in 0.5 increments), who has the most?

>>77163395
Federer's won 11 slams if you take out his best tournament. Nadal's won 5. Even Djokovic has 6 if you don't count Australia.

>>77163682
This. Are OP's numbers even relevant?

Nadal is better in clay than Federer is on grass, hard and overall. But Federer is better than Nadal overall.

>>77164235
This, but remove messi

>>77164235
7. Your list

Is Murray the worst #1 in history?

>>77164470
Nadal by far for being the undisputed clay goat

>>77173242
wozniacki

>>77173242
not even remotely close you retarded casual.

>>77173297
Who is, then? Educate me.

>>77163954
Maybe if you're talking about a tournament or a match. Even when Nadal was at his best he had random early round losses to nobodies

>>77173307
Andy Roddick, Carlos Moya, Juan Carlos Ferrero, Thomas Muster or Marcelo Rios. Probably Rios since he never won a slam and only made 1 final.

Murray is a top 10-15 player of all time. Way, way better than the guys mentioned above

>>77173357
Roddick is a top 15 player of all time you bogan twat

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Career games / retired hurt:
Djokovic: 1014 / 13
Nadal: 1138 / 8
Murray: 924 / 4
Federer: 1413 / 0

https://twitter.com/hashtag/federer

>>77173357
Murray isn't really that good though. Like, he's good, but not that good.

>>77173389
yes he is though
see >>77172871

>>77173389
He is good, but he is closer to Wawrinka tier than he is to Fed/Nad/Djok

>>77166778
>Comparing amateur players from completely different eras to players from this current era

wew.

>>77173421
thats not true. tennis exists outside of grand slam finals you know.

i dont see wawrinka in any of these stats >>77172871

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why arent you guys talking more about nole in the GOAT discussion

>>77167586
Nadal, I understand, because they both played in their primes (although most the matches were on clay). Djokovic only has a better H2H vs. Federer because of all the matches they played from 10-16 where Djokovic was at his peak and Federer was old as fuck.

>Nadal career win record: 852–181 (82.48%)
>Federer career win record: 1111–247 (81.81%)

>>77169463
>1 Super Bowl per year
>4 grand slams per year
>somehow 3 grand slams = 1 SB

>>77173642
>tenni's one man vs one man
>football teams consist of 53 spielers