Why is german club football still so shit although we have so

>>76863930
our league is ok enough
also we have Teamgeist and Kameradschaft in our NT, others don't

Buyern buys the best league players each year and then benches them.

>>76863963
this sounds painfully plausible 2bqhwy

Bayern Munich just buy out all the competition in the Bundesliga. It's similar to what Juventus do in Serie A. La Liga at least has two teams that can are significantly ahead of the rest, so even if they buy out the competition it will still be a close race between those two.

You only have one team and most of the nt plays in it
It's really not fait

>>76864990
How many of yesterday's winners have played for Bayern?
Weiser and that's it.

>>76865015

gnabry??

>>76865025
You're fucking dumb. Or can't read. Or both.

Also, when they won yesterday, the German team had technically no Bayern player, since Granatbry's contract starts today.

>>76864461
Both chase foreign superstars too so they don't always seek to monopolise Spanish players like JJ and Buy'em do.

>>76863930
Great youth because the BL is a bit shit, if it was like the PL they would't play. La Liga is ideal for club success + national success because it has 3 big teams that compete for the cl and a lot of shit teams that allow local youth to develop

dortmund is why the Bundesliga can't compete, they wine instead of putting together a competitive squad, always two good signings away from world class, but instead they sell their best and invest in youth+mediocrity, it will never work

>>76865058
J-Jürgen? Ch-Charly?

>>76865015
implying all the teams in germany don't play exactly the same to prepare them for when they play with bayern
the whole league is bayern's second team

>>76863930
>Why is german club football still so shit although we have so much great youth?
It's not.
>Why cant germany turn its talent into a great league like Spain does?
kek

debt level of german league: close to zero

debt level of spanish league: massive

Now take a guess who'll get fucked it in the end...

>>76865361
central european tax payers

>>76863930
>Why is german club football still so shit although we have so much great youth?
Because out of 18 teams in our league, 15 think Gegenpressing is the only playmaker you need.

Can't win any titles if all you know to do is Pressing and running and you break your legs if you need to build an attack and create chances.

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>>76865373

>>76863944

This desu. I think a big part of the German success is team cohesion, that allows you to always go far in tournaments.

>>76865142
>always two good signings away from world class

players would still leave eventually though. buyern are and always will be a top 5 club in the world, nothing dortmund or anyone else can do about it

>>76865361
thats bullshit though, except for Bayern basically the whole league is in constant financial trouble and several clubs went or almost went bankrupt in the last couple of decades, while i cant remember a single spanish club going bankrupt.

>>76865760
the reason why clubs go bankrupt in germany is actually because our league doesn't allow for clubs having too much debt and having financial trouble in first and second bundesliga doesn't mean that you're kneedeep in debts, but that you're struggling to avoid violating dfb rules. so your reply is the steaming pile of bullshit here.

>>76865760
>while i cant remember a single spanish club going bankrupt
That's because they don't have to pay taxes

It's because of clubs like Schalke, Wolfsburg and HSV not getting their shit together.

>>76865804
Doesn't that just make it even harder for smaller clubs to compete when they can't invest freely? The FFP model only seems to punish ambition

>>76865804
>Claim to be le financially stable league like its a title
>Actually be the most heavily commercialised league in whole Europe
>Bayern Munich, BVB and most other clubs are literally corporations, not sport clubs
>Almost every club in Bundes has some huge corporation providing them with money
>VW for Wolfsburg
>Bayer for Bayer
>SAP for Hoffenheim
>RedBull for Leipzig
>Kühne for HSV
>Daimler for VfB
>Adidas and Audi für Bayern
>Evonik and Puma for BVB
>Gazprom for Schalke
etc. pp.
>still struggle financially

Meanwhile in Spain
>all clubs are pure sports clubs, no corporations
>all clubs are well managed and financially sound
>no big investors needed

>>76865910
lol

>>76863930
I'd say Bayern are a big part of the problem (if you see it as that)

But without one or team very dominant teams hoovering up the talent you're going to go the way of England

Competitive domestic football or competitive teams in Europe is the choice really

>>76866046
brazilian and french players are all over the place yet have good national teams though

>>76866046
I think Chelsea, ManCity and ManUnited can all compete in CL.

>>76866067
meant how English teams do in Europe not national teams

>>76865910
>no big investors needed
Arab sheikhs aren't big investors? I had no idea.

>>76866068
England had the period of 2005-2012 where there was at least one English team in the final every year but for 2010 but the last 5 years suggest that English teams aren't up to scratch in the CL anymore

>>76866077
which club is owned by arab investors?

>>76866103
Who said anything about owned?

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Posting net debts

>>76865161
what a giant load of shit

yeah sure bayern play with a libero these days like frankfurt, hoffenheim etc

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And debts ratio.

Post bundesdebts now to compare

>>76866165
>Valencia
What went so wrong?

>>76866210
hey you fucking shitbag

Question:
How do you prefer ñ to be written if the tilde character isn't available?
n, nj, ni?

>>76863930
>great league like Spain

top jej, German league is 205x more interesting to watch than faggot 2 club Spain league

>>76866247

First, it's not a tilde, you macaco. Second, if Ñ isn't available then you should remove yourself from typing text and/or directly remove yourself from the premises.

The only other somewhat acceptable alternative, only in absolute case of emergency, is this (slavic?) Ň

>>76866326
>~ isn't a tilde
fuck off, Inaki

>>76866215

Shit management. They bet on spend moneys--->achieve success--->increase income, and step 2 didn't work.

Then Peter Lim stepped in to rescue them, try to gambled again on step 2 + gary neville and the club nearly goes crashing with no survivors.

>>76866326
We at least have ways around our silly umlauts, even if johnny foreigners don't use them (ae, ue, oe, ss)

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>>76866215
Gary Neville ruined them

>>76866463

Because Ñ is a letter in itself. The thing above the ''''''''n'''''''' is not a tilde, a dieresis, le circunflexe, an umlaut or any other addition, but consubstantial part of the letter just like the fucking dot is integral part of the 'i'.

>>76866247
equivalents of Ñ in other languages:
>nh: portuguese and occitan
>ny: scatalan
>ń: polish
>gn: french and italian
>ň: czech and slovak

pick your flavour

>>76866247
what about the Portuguese way (nh = ñ)? Probably 95% of Spanish speakers would understand 2bqhwy

>>76866524
ü, ö, ä and ß are also letters by themselves, you paella gobbling shitlord

>>76866527
Didn't even consider that. Good boy, Chile. We'll let you win tomorrow. :3

>>76864990
>Spaniard complaining about 'fair' play

lmao, fuck off

>>76866463
Never use that term again, you Krautfuck :)

>>76866577

Those are just snob ways to reflect a phonemic sound that exists with other letters. I.e 'ß' is just a way to indicate le long strong 's'.

Ñ is a distinct phonemic sound in itself, and so we give it the proper status of letter, whereas goys like the portus, catalans, italians and french have to use combinations of anglojewish-approved letters to indicate that sound (nh, ny, gn).

>>76866712
>let me tell you about your language

>>76866247
ny to trigger castillans

>>76866702
or else what, paki boy

>>76866712
where's you special snowflake letter for LL then?

>>76866712
>>76866524
hahahahahaha
castillan education lmao

>>76866777
btfo

>>76866777
yuvia = lluvia

>Hey guys we totally don't care about the u21 and confess confed cup
> continue making threads about it

>>76866326
>Ñ (lower case ñ, Phonetic Alphabet: /ˈeɲe/ "énye") is a letter of the modern Latin alphabet, formed by placing a tilde (called a virgulilla in Spanish) on top of an upper- or lowercase N.

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>>76865910
>all clubs are well managed and financially sound

is this a bait? I can't tell anymore

>>76866797
that might be the case in Argentina, I don't know, but when I hear spaniards pronouncing LL, it's the same as LH in my language and that sound is definitely not a Y

>>76866777

It was a letter until the conspiracy between RAE and the sudacas happened.

>>76866774

ßeiße

>>76866781

>Catalunya

Cuck

>>76866851
>ßeiße
what did he mean by this

>>76866804
Hard times for you, Mehmet

>>76866817

>Letra del alfabeto castellano, vasco, gallego bretón y de otras lenguas
La ñ (en mayúscula Ñ, nombre eñe, plural eñes) es la decimoquinta letra y la duodécima consonante del alfabeto español. No pertenece al alfabeto latino básico. Representa un sonido consonante sonante, nasal y palatal.

>>76866869

Hund ßeiße

>>76866991
>Hund ßeiße
perro chaca

>>76866820

Based Sevilla

>>76866991
Hund kackt/Hund scheißt

>>76866820

>t. Pierre bin Croissan, le smelly supporteur de le bankrupt Bastia

>2nd best league in the world
>shit

>>76864461
>It's similar to what Juventus do in Serie A
Most of Juve's signings in the last 5-6 years are from abroad

>>76865058
Now in Saxonian, please

>>76865373
lel

>>76866046
>Competitive domestic football or competitive teams in Europe is the choice really
Spain has both doe
>inb4 la liga isn't competitive

>>76863930
Ur league needs more 'mericans

>>76867153

PulisGOD will become the Goalmarksmanking next seasons and then there will be the greatest American boom since WW2.

>>76867140
spain has 2 + 1 new comer which hasn't been a threat for more than a decade. basically the best players play for 2 spanish teams and atleti has been there the past 6 or so years, but it remains to be seen if they can stay up there for the enxt decade.
england has 6 teams that, for more than 10 years, have been competitive and therefore the best talent playing in england is split. Yes, having double the competition at home matters

One reason that doesn't get any attention are the stupid copyrights that forbid Bundes content to be used anywhere but their licensed partners.

The DFL underestimate how much accessibility means for the popularity of the league and it's players. When you can't even find decent highlight reels of top Bundes players on youtube casual fans will go watch Pogba's top 10 dabs instead.

Player popularity is causaly linked to player value, club reputation, club finances and league revenue. The two letter points are ironically is the reason why they have such strict copyrights, so they get a few exta mils from the TV deal.

TL;DR the DFL is just awful at marketing the league

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>>76867185
>TL;DR
i think its fine how it is. an increase in marketing would only serve to make bayern and bvb slightly more rich

>>76867025
Bastia can die though, and in fact I'm happy they're doing exactly that

>>76867180
except the spanish teams outside the top 3 are better than their english/german/italian counterparts

>england has 6 teams that, for more than 10 years, have been competitive
lmao

>>76865910
Dude, I can't even... pls tell me you're no volksdeutscher with that low iq

>>76867243
>>76867243
>spanish teams outside the top 3 are better than their english/german counterparts
not true
also i meant competative within their league, spending money on players and actually having a chance of beating the best teams rather than juvewinslol or realandbarcawinlol

>>76866210
>>76866165
Wtf i love athletic club now

>debt is bad

its like you guys dont even know that you're supposed to use things like credit cards and loans to buy shit you want and then just pay it back later

>>76867271
Chelsea and fucking Lester walked the english league harder tha RM and Barca did in Spain
Spain always had a close thight title race in the last decade whereas th PL doesn't have a title race since United last title
Your double standars are amazing
>Atletico has competed for 6 years but it doesn't count unless they do it for a decade
meanwhile
>united hasn't competed in 4 years but they count as competitive because they used to be good
>arsenal hasn't competed in 12 years but they count as competitive
>spurs and liverpool competed once in this century but they count as competitive

>>76867320
Is this bait? I never can tell with americans.

>>76867329
those english teams spend a shit ton of money and buy players that otherwise would have played for 'the team'
juve literally buy the best italian players and best youngsters and then loan out the shitters to other teams. they have no competition during the season and can focus on europe. same for bayern. yes, la liga is different than bundesliga and italy but there is less competition at the top than in england

>>76867380
>those english teams spend a shit ton of money and buy players that otherwise would have played for 'the team'
Money =/= results

>la liga is different than bundesliga and italy but there is less competition at the top than in england
>La Liga always has a title race and the PL doesn't, therefore La Liga is less competitive at the top
If anything La Liga has more competition at the top and England more competition at the bottom but that's just speculation that can't be proved unless they bring back the Mitropa

>>76867458
>Money =/= results
you cannot get results unless you are able to buy good players. you cannot buy good players without money.
look, suppose lower table club has a player that breaks out and is all of a sudden world class. where does he go during the transfer window?
germany: bayern
spain: barca or madrid
italy: juve
england: ????

in europe england is shit, but that is due in part because their domestic league is so tough relative to the other leagues.

>>76865361
Germans are wonderful. They don't deserve the hate they get. Spaniards are mongrelized degenerates. Can't wait till their sham of a league goes bust.

>>76867488
>you cannot get results unless you are able to buy good players. you cannot buy good players without money.
What are the youth academy and good scouts?
Spanish and German small teams make up for the lack of money with those

You talk like teams can only buy from their own domestic league, Barca and Real mostly buy from abroad, same as Juve
If a lower table english club has a player that breaks out and is all of a sudden world class he goes to RM or Barca

>>76867380

Randomization of winners is a proper characteristic of shit leagues. But even leaving this aside;

>There is less competition at the top than in England

English league winners last 20 years: 5 (City, Utd, Lester, Chelsea, Arsenal)
Spanish league winners last 20 years: 5 (Barca, Madrid, Atleti, Valencia, Depor)

There, debunked and cucked with a simple, basic statistic.

We could then compare performance of English and Spanish clubs in international competitions uh? :-)

Also, if Madrid and Barca played in the English league there would have only been 2 winners of the English league in the last 20 years ;). So if anything, the spanish league is way more competitive in addition to hosting way more succesful clubs.

>>76867561
callate wey

>>76867495

>Can't wait till their sham of a league goes bust.

You'll have to wait a lot then, cause only Valencia may bust.

Go fact checking around about debts and files for bankruptcy among euro leagues and clubs. ;) Also,

Q: Which euro club is, by far, the most indebted one (nominally)?

Protip, starts with M

>>76863944
>example of problematic, dysfunctional NT
France 2010
>example of buddy buddy NT that overperforms
Deutschland 2002

>>76869264
Germany send le footy lads literally every year.

>>76866165
Sevilla seem like a particularly well-run club that still competes.

>>76866577

you can use capital letters as we now officially have a capital ẞ

>>76870742
>now
>officially
We always did have. But there's no convenient way to type that.

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Is this /bundes/?

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>>76865015
There is a good chance that some of them are going to play for buyern once they start to make a major impact on their team desu.

>>76874507
Like Philipp, am I right?

>>76874507
Or possibly like Bürki? Maybe Reus? Sokratis?

Spain is only good because of South Americans

>>76874533
No, but names like Rudy, Süle, Gnabry, Lewandowski, Götze, Rode, Podolski etc. etc. come to my mind.

>>76874432
No anime

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>>76874629
no

>>76866820
>le 10 years old infograph

>>76874623
Please check which of the two teams has more players that were bought from other Bundes teams in their starting eleven.

>>76874731
weird argument desu. One of the main problems most people have with buyern, is that you get the feeling that they buy key players from their "opponents" just to weaken them and not that they get to much playing time in their starting eleven.

>>76874831
Can you support that """feeling""" with any kind of proof?
The players are only out to hunt for money anyway, rarely does anyone buy a homegrown player. Mercs flocking to the highest bidder is not exactly a reason to condemn that highest bidder.

>>76874885
>Can you support that """feeling""" with any kind of proof?
Unfortunately I'm not in a postion where I can talk with Uli and Kalle about their motives.

>The players are only out to hunt for money anyway, rarely does anyone buy a homegrown player. Mercs flocking to the highest bidder is not exactly a reason to condemn that highest bidder.
Maybe. But being at the end of the footchain, while giving zero fucks about the competitiveness of your national league, you shouldn't wonder why people see you ass the biggest perpetrator of this slick scheme.

>>76875092
*being at the end of the footchain by a wide margin
No idea why I deleted half of the sentence

I support the strong feeling of mia san mia

>>76875223
hello

>>76875304
Moin moin
How about that Tour de France, eh?

>>76875355
I was at work so I couldn't watch it. Shame for Tony Martin desu. Just read an interview with him in the local newspaper this morning, where he gave the impression that winning the maillot jaune in germany would've meant an awful lot to him.

>>76875448
Yes. I couldn't watch the last art of the stage today. Would have liked it if he had take the yellow jersey. I'm not a fan of Geraint Thomas, but what can you do.

What I can do? Sleep.

>>76875499
yes

>What I can do? Sleep.
Sleeping at night is always a good idea.
I should go to sleep now because I have to get up at 8am too go to work again. The problem is that I don't feel sleepy at all.

good night

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