So what did Germany so right to improve from the low point of

>>76862255
>refugees welcome

>>76862255
You guys changed your entire youth system to focus on developing good and disciplined players while England still sticks with "let's pick the fastest lad around"

>>76862281
You mean the Kosovo refugees?

Were they such a source for new players in Germany?

>>76862298
>"let's pick the fastest lad around"
literally who is making these selections in England? haven't they realized how wrong they are over and over?

>>76862302

half (or more) your NT players are immigrants or sons of immigrants, applaud while you can you will soon become france 2.0

It was a good result for England.

>>76862255
jews

>>76862255
lel i remember this

>>76862360
The same overconfidence and pride that made them snob the FIFA at its inception, and led them to not participate in the first World Cups, to finally being beaten by an USA amateur team.

>>76862360
Looking at how the youth has been doing recently I think they've started to learn a bit.

>>76862365
>half (or more)
really not
I'd even say our NT still has a lot less Arab genes than yours

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It's still funny how Germany reached the Word Cup final two years later with the worst German team ever.

>>76862540
Yep Prowse, Hughes looked interesting. Also great team spirit. All sang the anthem, including the Carribean players.

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>>76862630

wonder how that happened

>>76862645
>USA still doesn't understand that a tie is not a win.

>>76862630
All the good teams either choked in the group stage or got refballed by worst Korea

>>76862658

a tie wouldve taken us to PK's and given us a chance

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>>76862668
>taken us to PK's and given us a chance

>>76862668
>a tie wouldve taken us to PK's
>implying Germany wouldn't have scored a golden goal

>>76862658
It would have probably also meant a straight red card for Frings.

>>76862715
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg3psAYfOv8

That's not even a pk.

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>>76862745

>>76862715

It clearly wasn't intentional.

>>76862745
That's a clear penalty. Not sure if red card, it doesn't look intentionally.

>>76862819
It's not a unatural movement.

>>76862819
>That's a clear penalty.
>>76862715
>straight red card
stupid beaners it's not a pk when the ball bounces in your hand from a foot away and you clearly didn't want to touch it.
if that was the case then everyone would just kick the ball into the defenders from all positions over and over until they get penalties.

>>76862845
Yeah it shouldn't even be yellow, but he does stop a goal with his hand.

I am so fucking tired of Romania, lads.

>>76862660
dude England would've been in the final if they were on the other side

>>76862853

>stupid beaners it's not a pk when the ball bounces in your hand from a foot away and you clearly didn't want to touch it.

when the ball is CLEARLY going into the net if not for the hand in the way, then yes it is.

We actually play other sports, like rugby, cricket, snooker, and darts, while you Krauts just stick to footy and bobsledding.

>>76862910
distance: 0.9 feet
un-natural movement: no

not a penalty.

>>76862935
>cricket, snooker, and darts

IIRC handball rule used to be much more strict and back in 2002 that was a clear as day penalty.

Generally that was probably the most undeserved final of a team ever at a WC Germany played like shit every game and only got ridiculousy lucky. Under normal circumstances this team would have gotten relegated in the group stage or round of 16 at the latest.

>>76862255
>DFB = biggest national sports federation on this planet = biggest number of players
>mandatory youth developing centres for all teams of 1st and 2nd /bundes/. I remember when my team built its Nachwuchsleistungszentrum. It cost several million € which is much for a team that just got promoted to 2nd /bundes/.
>huge network of scouts searching for youth talents
>even my village of 1800 people (!) has a facility to get an eye on youth teams from villages surrounding >us. Imagine sending your 10yr old to the local football team, let him kick a ball or two and then DFB suddenly says he is the new Neuer/Lahm/Kroos/Müller. Things like these happen.

>>76863215
>I got kicked out from a Nachwuchsleistungszentrum because I was too short as striker and wasn't okay with changing positions.
>I'm 1,84m

Shit is brutal.

>>76862645
>usa still doesn't understand the handball rule

>>76862857
yeah but the rule book says it doesn't matter

you could score a legit goal with your hand if you touch the ball unintentionally

>>76863259
At least ur tall enough to join the Waffen-SS

>>76863259
this is why spain is still better

>>76863281

>you could score a legit goal with your hand if you touch the ball unintentionally

there's no fucking way this is true.

if a defender handles it unintentionally and doesn't rob the other team of an obvious goalscoring opportunity, it's fine. but if an attacking player handles the ball unintentionally even if it's not in the box, it's a foul.

you literally don't even have to be in the box and it's a freekick.

>>76863259
Most great strikers are average height.

>>76863392
>there's no fucking way this is true.
It would never be rewarded but it's true that it would be a legal goal.

>>76863453

so then why the fuck do the refs penalize players for handballs that aren't even in the box? am i just hallucinating that those seem to happen all the time? do the refs just go against the official rules? why are the basic rules of a sport so simple so fucking convoluted?

>>76863259
Thats pretty stupid honestly

>>76862581

come on, all those "native" germanic names in yesterday's game, who are you deceiving here?
but still, congrats on the win, a victory is still a victory.

>>76863402
Well, there are different types of forwards.

Center forwards are supposed to be tall.

>>76862372
This, was watching the last game with my lads and we lost like 3-0 vs Romania.

>>76863612
>U-21 players with not typical German names

>Odisseas Vlachodimos
>Jonathan Tah
>Jeremy Toljan
>Nadiem Amiri
>Mahmoud Dahoud
>Serge Gnabry
>Levin Öztunali

>>76863669
>with my lads
are you 40 years old?

>>76863696
37

>>76863482
>so then why the fuck do the refs penalize players for handballs that aren't even in the box?
Because he thinks it was deliberate usually, It's ballsy to allow advantage to be gained from a handball even if they technically should and i feel most refs would rather just assume it was intentional and not have to deal with the scrutiny of such a call.

>>76863727
>i just realized im already 35

Fuck

>>76863684

you're missing the rest that will reach your NT in some years too

Kevin Akpoguma
Leon Guwara
Jeremy Dudziak
Leon Goretzka
Hany Abubakr Mukhtar
Leroy Sané


probably missing a bunch of them but you are basically France 2.0 in less than 5 years.

What went so wrong with us ;(

>>76863916
>Leon Goretzka
You can say what you want, but Leon Goretzka is in fact a native German.

Also, just look at >our U-21 and this Confed Cup team. >Our most promising talents are Horn, Süle, Rudy, Kimmich (this guy is still like 22), Goretzka, Weiser, Brandt, Meyer, Werner.
This is close to a complete team and all of them are native Germans.

Everybody knows those Merkel-Germans are nothing but memes. Even you know if you're honest to yourself. However, Löw is known to make memes work anyways...

Don't countries like Germany and Spain have public football cages everywhere?

I think that definitely plays a part in growing more technically skilled youngsters than England where we just have mud pitches.

>>76862630
>tfw it could have been England-Germany if Seaman wasn't a retard for the 2nd time in his career

>>76864319
>mud pitches
t. countryside here. This is all I ever played on.

>public football cages
What does he mean by that?

>>76862668
>PK's and given us a chance
>a chance at winning a shootout against the germans
You've never paid attention to football in your life have you?

>>76862540
i'm not sure
u20 and u17 still were overly reliant on physicality, u21 is the first age group where you can really see the quality of a player and they were good, but not impressive, and still too focused on strenght and speed

>>76864335
As in fenced off play areas, 5 a side sized or even smaller. They all belong to leisure centres etc. here so you have to rent them.

>>76863629
Are you telling me that strikers like Klose and Podolski don't get to play as strikers in youth teams?

>>76864319
Popular in the big cities, e.g. the Boatengs were cage players. Most provincial guys just grow up on regular pitches.

>>76864331
>second time

He was a joke goalkeeper all the time.

>>76864369
Not even him but target men are tall and physical centric players.

>>76864365
sounds like a great idea for big cities where places to play could be rare.

>>76864377
oh okay

We actually beat Germany properly and without controversy in a tournament and no one at all remembers it, people focus more on Phil Neville giving away the last minute penalty

>>76864331

i dont think england could beat turkey in that wc

>>76862360

two of our best ever strikers, lineker and owen were le pace men. difference is they could actually hit the target

>>76864411
Shit happens. >We always get better in the later stages of a tournament.
Remember 2010, when >we beat Argentina 4:0?
Serbia defeated >us 1:0 in the group stage.
>many such cases!
Even that U21 that became Euro champions were the only 2nd place of any group to reach the semis. It's always like that

>>76864411
You could see that penalty coming from a mile away - that was probably the worst England side i've ever seen, the quality of the squad dropped off a cliff after 98

>>76864475
>were the only 2nd place of any group to reach the semis
1) You were playing Italy and aren't they your bogey team?
2) The Slovak PM is demanding an inquest claiming that you and Italy rigged the match to get both of you through

>>76862255
I'm convinced the FA doesn't actually care about winning. Rather than hiring an actual manager, they hire yesmen who just order our players to run around like headless chickens for 90 minutes. It works well enough during the qualifiers since we're almost always put in an easy group but we end up always underperforming during the proper tournament and everyone ends up being confused as to why we did so poorly. Also we just call up players based on what club they play for rather than how good they are or what role fits them best. A big issue we had a few years ago was that both Gerrard and Lampard were so good that they were undroppable, but they couldn't play together so they were unplayable. I think Gerrard also mentioned during an interview that the players rarely talked to one another due to their club rivalries. I'm not sure whether that's still the case since football is a lot more plastic now than it was back then, but my point was that every other team that performs successfully has a system. Leicester won the Premier League because they had a system. Wales and Iceland performed much better than us despite fielding Championship-tier players because they had a system. Meanwhile Hodgson didn't even know what our best starting XI was during the Euros and he put the top Premier League striker on corner duty.

You have to remember we were entering into a 'golden generation' at the time, and there was a lot of expectation for these players, particularly after the 5-1 win against Germany.

Many achieved success domestically and with British teams in Europe.

I think it wasn't till it became apparent that the golden generation wasn't going to win anything, and the British manager and youth ploy didn't work (probably 2014) that real changes were made.

>>76864613
Remember all the shit Hargreaves got for playing in Germany? And then he was the best player in the 2006 world cup.

Too sad that what happened with him after the world cup.

>>76864613
Hodgson keeping his job after the worst WC performance ever says it all, I don't care if he didn't have much preparation time. Appalling.

It's painful to think what the mid 2000s team could have done under SAF for instance.

>>76864679
It's pretty sad that we have outperformed you in international competitions this last decade with our shit players and meme managers. I bet some autist playing FM would be a better manager for England

>>76864613
>players rarely talked to one another due to their club rivalries

wouldn't look too much into that, you always saw all of them hug each other before club matches so they were clearly close friends. the problem was as you say, lampard, gerrard and scholes being top class midfielders but all playing the same deeper role. that's why gascoigne was so great, one of the very few proper english #10s who could break down sides

>>76864613
>Also we just call up players based on what club they play for rather than how good they are or what role fits them best

Yeah but when Southgate tried to do that by starting Livermore while Henderson was out, he was roundly ridiculed. Ignorance is general in English football. It's not just the suits and coaches but the fans too

>>76864882
Equally he was praised for excluding Rooney though. Dropping the England captain and "all time goalscorer" was a massive statement.

>>76862255

The DFB put a shitload of money into Youth Academies in the early 2000's, we are now reaping the rewards from that.

Also the Bundesliga isn't as overloaded with foreign players like the Premier League so domestic talents can flourish better.

>>76862745
frings a good boy. he dindu nuffin

>>76862645
Wasn't the score 0-0 at this point?

>>76864385
Who is Romario?

>>76864522
>1) You were playing Italy and aren't they your bogey team?
pls stop saying that, you're making it a self-fulfilling prophecy

beating them 2016 (after penalties, though) has helped a bit, I think.

>>76862255

That was a rare occurrance. Except for that period of late 90s-early 00s, Germany has always been toppest competitive whereas England has always been a flop.

It was just a return to normality. And even at your lowest you still managed to get to 1WC Final.

>>76865771
>England has always been a flop

No just shit

Spain on the other hand have always had a world class team yet have the same number of WCs as us

>>76862630
>>76862645
kek

>>76862886
England was the 2nd best team in that cup. They COULD win IF they had past Brazil. It was an antecipated final.

>>76862819
It's a red. If it's intentional or not it doesn't matter at all. He stops the goal acting like a goalkeeper. Straight red.

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>>76862365
This is the squad that won the world cup.

Not seeing a whole lote of immigrants there.

>>76862255
You got destroyed by Conceição senpai

>>76863669
kek not Romania, Germany lost 3-0 to our SUBS, when you still had a chance to go through

how times change

>>76862298
the irony is that they just copied the French youth accademies system

>>76866123
Shit, you are right, sorry for that.

>>76866071
3 Immigrants + whatever the fuck mustafi is, not exactly l'afrique 2.0

>>76866125
Only that Germany doesn't just recruit its players from the poor African underclass

>>76866207
>3 Immigrants
I count 5 at least, not including Mustafi

>>76866125
The french youth system which rejected Griezmann because he wasn't black enough?

Jungs wieso rechtfertigt ihr euch gegen so nen Brexit und co. Sind doch nur neidisch und wollen unseren erfolg schmälern

>>76866264
Polacks are not true immigrants, Polands border are only temporary

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>>76866317
name my band

>>76864369
Klose wasn't playing in any youth teams, he was a carpenter until he was 21 or 22.

>>76862540
>Inb4 but we u20 champions

Lol. Nigga, they beat a team punching weight above its weight, from a country that does not even care about football that much, and because a super sayayin wannabe missed a penalty.

>>76864882
I don't mind Southgate calling up people like Livermore. He also finally dropped Rooney. My issue with him so far is that we still seem to be playing the same brand of aimless football that we played under Hodgson. Admittedly it's only the qualifiers so he's free to experiment at the moment, but I still have no confidence in this England squad.

>>76866428
Why would france not play with this team?
Rabiot is way better than that dumb nigger pogba. He made busquests and iniesta look like bitches in the first leg of the eight-finals.

>>76866489
>world cup record scorer
>wasn't spotted until his 20s

JUST

>>76862745

USA dominated that match from start to finish, that match won kahn his golden gloves or whatever its called

Lucky punks

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>2000-2006 Portugal team didn't win shit

they deserved better

>>76866960
>can't win the euros playing good football (2000, 2004)
>win it playing terrible football while being hated by the rest of the world

Its weird

>>76867015
>the terrible football meme

fabricated lie created by the media (and our coach decided to go with it) to not place any blame on Ronaldo for playing like absolute shit, we were the most attacking team in the group stages and we played against Iceland, Austria and Poland the same way we did against Hungary and Wales, the only difference is against Hungary and Wales Ronaldo did his job

we only parked the bus against France because we had no center forward for most of the game and against Croatia both teams played like absolute shit

>>76867015
>while being hated by the rest of the world
the hate is mostly because of TSU, and in the case of /sp/ you can add romanian shitposting

>>76865771
>>76865771
>>76865771
>>76865771
THIS
Hate how our our federation passes it off as some kind of great effort to get German football to the top.
Truth is, with a population so big and interested in football Germany is bound to be very good.

>>76867106
>Truth is, with a population so big and interested in football Germany is bound to be very good

then why aren't mexico good

>>76867138
How many Mexican kids are in a football club?
I bet it's more in Germany.

>>76866317
say whatever you want, that's still what they did after 98 and 00

>>76866583
and same mado him look like a bitch later during a France - Spain friendly

>>76867096
I'm pretty pissed that a team that did not win a single match in group stage managed to reach the KO stage anyway
Fucking Platini

>>76867207
the last 20 minutes against Hungary would've been different if we had to win it

>>76867207
>>76867264
>tfw Iceland scoring a last minute goal is the sole reason Portugal got the easy route to the final

>>76867264
yeah, it's just the rule that his totally bullshit

>>76867081
Absolutely fucking CORRECT post, Portugal was the offensive team throughout most of the tournament. People tend to forget how unlucky we were against Austria and Hungary, how we wouldn't need penalties to beat Poland if TSU wasn't so shit that day and how everyone was hyping Croatia to beat the shit out of us after beating Spain.

Also, our team had the least resting days before the Ro16, so there was in fact a downside of finishing 3rd place and the team managed to get around it.
Yeah we didn't have too many strong teams on our side of the brackets, but we're not gonna lose on purpose just because Spain and England choked their first place or Belgium choked against Wales.

>>76867081
>Parked the bus
Strange turn of phrase.

>>76867268
that and Belgium golden generation choking

>>76867277
true, and people are right when they say our win was soiled because of it, but look at the bright side for you guys, now we're stuck with a shitty coach and André Gomes as a starter because of it

>>76862255
Miroslav Klose is a fantastic international player

>>76867323
Even Belgium would have been easier than England, France then Germany

>>76862668
>germany
>loosing a penalty shootout in non-rainy conditions
lol

>>76863684
isn't that levin guy grandson of some famous german player called seeler? something like that

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>>76862255
ah yes, after 2000 they 'improved'

>>76867359
Belgium is better than England. No decent team is afraid of England

>>76867207
In the 1982 world cup, Italy didn't win a single match in a piss poor group and managed to pass in 2nd place. Once they actually met the strong teams, they delivered and won the tournament. Portugal did the same in its own way.

Anyways, people get angry at us for something that we don't control. It's not our fault. Those were the rules agreed a priori. If that 3-3 against Hungary knocked us out, I'm sure Portugal wouldn't sit around keeping the draw with two defensive midfielders.

>>76867384
Wasn't that the one Boateng boy?

Seeler's family fucked around quite a lot.

>>76867390
>2000: 1 point
>2004: 2 points
yes, improved you fucking idiot

>>76867288
I really really hated how even our coach decided to go with the "I'm okay with Portugal playing ugly football as long as we win" just because he didn't want anyone to criticize Ronaldo

João Mario and Guerreiro were making some really combinations only for Ronaldo to get the ball and completely ruin the flow of the play and in the end who gets criticized is the team for "playing bad football", Moutinho made an amazing pass against Poland only for Ronaldo to miss the ball in front of the goalie but in the end what did the commentators and social media say? "Moutinho shouldn't play" (not that Moutinho plays amazingly but there was literally no one on tv criticizing Ronaldo)

placed all the team under the bus just to not hurt Ronaldo's feelings, they didn't do that with Ricardo Carvalho doe

>>76867402
by the same logic you could say England improved on 2014 by 2016 despite suffering even greater humiliation than previously

>>76867418
no because they are different tourneys

>>76866071
i counted 6?

>>76866428
didn't Hernandez turn down france to play for spain?

>>76867424
failing to get out a group stage with 1 point against romania england and portugal vs getting 2 points and not getting out the group stage against netherlands czechs and lativa is not an improvement

2000 and 2004 are different tournaments anyway you idiot. In the 2000 tournament they got knocked out at the group stage, and in the 2004 tournament they got knocked out at the group stage, but on that occasion failed to beat latvia

>>76867359
>be england
>could avoid France/Germany/Italy/Spain just by beating Slovakia
>tie

>>76867390
Yeah, I remember a lot of complaints between 2002-04 were blocked by saying "But we were 2nd at the WC" though their path to the final was a joke. 2004 made everyone realize that there is a problem, so the changes started. Klinsmann became Bundestrainer and though he isn't a great coach, he made people appreciate a modern take on many different aspects of football.

>>76867400
I found it ! Uwe Seelers daughter married some turk and Levin was born

>>76867405
>Moutinho made an amazing pass against Poland only for Ronaldo to miss the ball in front of the goalie
Similar shit happened against Iceland and Austria. When our star player underperforms, it's the rest of the team that pays the price and gets the critics. When he actually delivers, he gets all the fame.

>>76867464
You got lucky, if England had gotten runners-up at the World Cup (despite the Germans probably being the worst team in a WC final I have ever seen) in-between two group stage eliminations the FA would use it as evidence to not change for another 50 years

Thankfully the Germans didn't listen to the "but 2nd place" meme people after 04 and rightfully so, and have pretty much only improve since

One of the greatest strengths that German football has is that they from their failrues

>>76867487
carried us to the semi-finals in 2012 and now we have to kiss his ass all the time

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>>76867459
maybe they wnated to play against Iceland, actually

>>76867405
and it was cringy as fuck to dedicate (i think it was pepe who said that) the victory to ronaldo - something like, ""this victory belong to him". fuck the rest of the team, fuck the portuguese people who cheered for them, amirite?
even this "the national team released me earlier to see muh baybees"... who believes this bullshit? he threw some tantrum because he wouldn't be in the final so they let him go. if portugal won against chile he couldn't care less about son #2 and daughter #1. just shows the integrity of the "captain", who should be the last one to leave the ship, literal or figuratively

England fired Big Sam

They can only save themselves with Tony Pulis now.

>>76867639
>not 'Arry

>>76867590
if it had been any other player no one would've said that

don't really care about Ronaldo being released as I'm tired of seeing his shitty stepovers fucking up Bernardo's plays but I don't like how he's the captain, Cedric, Adrien or Pepe are all better choices

>>76867541
>carried us to the semi-finals in 2012
I barely remember him in the first two matches, but fact is that the media was sucking his cock after the matches against the Netherlands and Czech Republic.
No wonder we can't diverge from this "ronaldo+10" stigma, when our own media likes to suck his cock so much and ignore the rest of the team.

>>76867695
>not remembering those two wasted chances vs denmark

he was great with the dutch though

>>76867590
>even this "the national team released me earlier to see muh baybees"... who believes this bullshit? he threw some tantrum because he wouldn't be in the final so they let him go. if portugal won against chile he couldn't care less about son #2 and daughter #1. just shows the integrity of the "captain", who should be the last one to leave the ship, literal or figuratively
this shit got me mad too
what a silly excuse to let him have earlier holidays, fuck the rest of team, fuck the players who need to have earlier holidays too because they have CL play-offs and domestic supercups but need to play the losers match of meme cup

>>76867695
>you now remember when Ronaldo "carried" us to the 2014 WC against Sweden all the assists were done by Moutinho

I've never seen any other team being seen like this, I mean if you base it off the social media our team is seen like a team like Wales

>>76862255
damn could you imagine a group like that today? /sp/ would blow up

>>76867848
Germany and Portugal shared a group again like 5 years ago.

>>76867879
>>76867848
Euro 2012? Portugal, Germany and Holland together weren't they?

>>76867879
and 3 years ago
>close match in 2012
>blitzkrieg'd in 2014
coach was the same in both years, what the hell happened?!

>>76867432
>Counting Klose

>>76867943
all managers are good in their first tournament. just watch santos getting his shit fucked up next WC

>>76867940
It was quite the group

>>76867848
>>76867879

i was think more of TSUUU,FOCKING SLIP,COMING HOME memes

>a country isn't allowed to capitalize on the full potential of its own population

At least Germany isn't like France which is fishing talents in North Africa.

>>76867943
>>76867961

>new manager comes
>gets rid of deadwood and fields a team with new and young players
>does good in 1st tournament
>by the time the new tournament comes some players are now shit
>insists on playing said shit players because they were once good
>does shit in 2nd tournament
>gets sacked
>new manager comes
>...

santos is doing the same shit now with nani and some others prepare yourself for a exit in the group stages next wc

>>76867961
in my book, he was already fucked in the confetti cup
>new zealand is latvia tier therefore irrelevant
>russia has a shit generation and pushed us to the ropes with shit forwards
>drawing with memexico
>doesn't lose to chile in the 120 minutes because patricio, trollposts and refballed penalty

get ready for more world cup play offs, we're not beating Switzerland in Lisbon, might even choke in Budapest

>>76867961
the only good thing Fernando Santos did was calling Guerreiro

you're already seeing it all going to shit cuz he's still calling old players and Gomes

>>76862694
>>76862706
>>76864343
>>76867365

>cheating is OK against the USA

Third Worlders are seriously disgusting roaches. Stay out of my country or we'll bomb you, foreigners.

>>76867590

Tbh Pepe has earned the right to say whatever he wants. He made Portugal Euro champions.

Never forget

>>76868170
should've just dedicated it to himself

>>76868078
>Gomes
What's with this fucking meme guy? Who's his godfather? Must be someone in high places. It's fucking Postiga all over again.

>>76867944
And podolski, and players like sami and boateng even though they have a german parent

>>76868239
Postiga delivered against England at least, the only good thing Gomes did in the Euros was 1 pass to Ronaldo, got in Barcelona, had a complete shit season, still gets called and still starts

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>>76868136
shit happens.

>>76868287
The only thing Postiga delivered was 1 half decent season in porto where literally anyone could've scored 20 goals (go ask Pena who did it in a much weaker team) and then proceeded to be cancer wherever he went, capping it off with that wonderful 30 games, 1 goal season in sporting. And he still got called up because "lol, no strikers" as if he'd ever actually struck anything. Éder doesn't get this treatment and the poor nig even got us a fucking euro.

Regardless, Gomes needs to gtfo.

>>76868402
yeah, I was just saying Gomes is even worst than Postiga

>>76868239
Postiga for an average striker delivered way more than what was expected from him.
>England in euro 2004
>Germany in euro 2008 (we lost anyways)
>Denmark in euro 2012
>euro 2012 play off vs bosnia (2 goals)
>WC 2014 qualifier vs russia (direct rival)
>euro 2012 qualifier vs norway (direct rival)
he also scored 1 or 2 goals in that 4-0 meme friendly against spain lmao

So long Löw doesn't reactive Podolski and Schweinsteiger the future looks bright for Germany.

We only need to get rid of Meme Müller and Götze.

>>76868438
A signpost would've had the same influence. And be less likely to get caught offside.

>>76867544
checked

>>76862255
Bayern

>>76867943
>Germany beats Portugal in 2006
(meaningless match but still)
>Germany beats Portugal in 2008
>Germany beats Portugal in 2010
>Germany beats Portugal in 2012
>Germany beats Portugal in 2014
You know that >you really dogded a bullet in 2016, do you?

>>76870824
It's like beating Argentinia in World Cups.

>>76866071
mustafi is whiter than hummells

wtf

>>76870824
>>Germany beats Portugal in 2010

when did this happen

>>76870998
Bavarians are somewhere between Nordics and Mediterraneans

>>76871159
>>76870998
also Mustafi is an odd case anyway, what exactly is he?

>>76871088
Didn't >we play each other in the group stage? Hm, I may be wrong. So you also dogded a bullet in 2010.

>>76871199
our group was brazil, ivory coast and north korea

then, spain in the r16

>>76871216
>You now realize 2010 was 31 years ago and my memory of this distant time seems to have faded away

>>76871198
albania or kosovo not sure

>>76870824
>You know that >you really dogded a bullet in 2016, do you?
Not really, >we had never beaten France in a major tournament. 3 matches, 3 losses. It was either Germany or France coming to kick our ass in the final.

>>76867590
Hey, at least you won a trophy without that shirt lifting faggot. No matter what anyone says, winning the final without him proves that Portugal 2016 wasn't "Ronaldo +22 other players"

>>76868049
Reminds me that we were seeing this with Spain

>piss easy group, with a stale Uruguay side being the only real challenge
>barely get past Italy via penalty kicks
>get BTFO by Brazil in final

>i-it's just the confed cup
>out in group stages in the next world cup
>out in Ro16 in Euro 2016

>>76874974
>i-it's just the confed cup
I don't know about Spain, but that's not the spirit here. There's a lot of criticism on Fernando Santos's choices and we're worried that all the shit he does might get a pass just because he won the euros.

Yeah, we're very thankful to him, for winning that cup, but deep down we know it was a lucky win and now that there's a reputation to maintain we don't trust Nando enough after this shit performance in the confetti cup. We can do better with the players we have.