>Day 2. >still couldn't sleep >still having 'nam

get cucked you jew

you're losing the scudetto next season too

>>76349155
Apologize for Mussolini

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>>76349155
Day 2, still waiting. Btw, one spagetti said that he would kill himself if jews loose, is he dead? If not please report.

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>>76349209
And still waiting for this spagetti too to report

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Better luck next year, the record can still be improved
#finoallafinale
#finoalconfine

>>76349155
>still butthurt
About your team? Madrid didn't even refball it up to dominate.

>>76349218
How can one man get so cucked? It's like God himself spit on him in laughter.

>>76349298
Butthurt because a 1-4 was the last thing I would've expected.
Even in 2015 Juve made better despite being an underdog and much weaker than that Barça

Juve finals won vs finals lost
>2 - 7

The aggregate score of Juve's last two finals
>2 - 7

>>76349155
are you this faggot? >>76349218

>>76349344
Poetic

>>76349330
In 2015 Juve had Pogba. You can't replace him with absolute shit like Pjanic and not expect to see a drop in quality. Juve on Saturday was the most embarrassing CL final performance in recent times.

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>>76349344
really activates my almonds

>>76349371
I forgot about that shirt threat

>>76349218
Kek'd

>>76349155
i know this feel too damn well, friend.
it will never get over

>>76349364
no

>>76349369
Juve didn't queit replaced Pogba with Pjanic, they replaced him with a different style of playing, and it looked like it was working until Saturday.
And yes this was definitely the worst final. Juve lost finals in any possible way, but this was the first time they simply got destroyed. And that's why it hurts so much

>>76349155
if you were a real jewe fan you would be used to losing finals

>>76349185
he was a good man

>>76349419
This was the 3rd final I witnessed personally.
I was 8 in 2003, I don't remember it too well but I remember I cried after the penalties. But thinking about it know it was the penalties, anything could happen.
In 2015 Barça was just unstoppable.
But this time I couldn't expect a 4-1, I really believed it was the right time

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>>76349311
oh you would know about that

>>76349176
>>76349209(still alive btw)
>>76349419
Juventus isn't for the weak
https://webmshare.com/4M3eB

>>76349518
Damn, I've read about more than a thousand wounded

>>76349550
if you just stop for a moment and think that a bomb in manchester did 30 victims while a joke did more than 1500 injured in Turin you realize there is something wrong in us

>>76349518
Good luck next time

>>76349589
I saw a lot of complaints about the fact that you couldn't bring beers but there was someone selling it anyway. So during the run a lot of people got hurt with the glass shards.
No wonder terrorists ignore us, we're just good enough to accidentally create our own attempts

>>76349688
carabinieri are worthless, scum of this world

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Saw Juve losing so many finals that now it feels numb when happens.

Here is something to cheer you up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec0XKhAHR5I

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>>76349786
>>76349798

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>>76349786
>tfw Allegri, Agnelli and Buffon already said they're going to try it again next year
I'm not even sure if I want to reach another final ever again

Juventus were just lucky with the CL draw and did not belong in the final. Bayern Munich vs Real Madrid was the real final.

This Juventus team will not be back in the final for a LONG time. All of their top players are old men who need to be replaced.

>>76349185
I'll apologize for you instead

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>>76349928
Wrong. Everyone said 2 years ago that this will be the best Juventus team for a long time, because it was assembled so cheap with a bunch of ageing players and we won't have the money to get that quality without getting frees or bargains.

Well 2 seasons later the team is much better and we spent a fuckload too. So the team will keep getting better. Even with the ageing players, most of them can be replaced pretty easily. At this point only Buffon and Bonucci are really irreplaceable, the rest you can probably get someone close enough or better.

>be Juve customer
>oh look I already painted the new disgusting corporate emblem on my pepe
>wow I loved the black eyed peas show and clapped
>it's unhumane that we don't win every game in the CL as in our league, our life is so harsh

KYS

>>76350365
What wingers would you get then? Because the top-players like sanchez aren't coming to Juve and players like Pjaca and Betancur aren't winning you a CL

>>76350365
Juve is already working for the future.
They already have Rugani and Caldara for the future defense, Alex Sandro and Pjanic are still young enough, Pjaca may become great, Schick is confirmed for coming and it looks like they're working on Bernardeschi and/or Keita, plus they got Bentancur which I have no idea what kind of player he is.
What's really necessary are a right fullback, one offensive wing for each side and of course a top bench.
So I guess out Lichtsteiner, Lemina, Sturaro, Rincon.

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>>76349469
>8 in 2003
>about to write underage
>realise you are actually older than me

Where did the time go?

>>76350456
>Because the top-players like sanchez aren't coming to Juve

Says who?

>>76350493
Agreed. But we still need to improve the starting XI if we want to keep going for semi finals/CL final every year. Some of those players are more longer term projects, especially Caldara and Betancur. Pjaca could be a flop who knows.

So we need someone like Sanchez or Di Maria to make a trident with Dybala and Higuain. It's obvious we still have to much of a problem of being static and predictable in attack. Much of the reason why the team looked so good this season was because we finally had real attacking fullbacks.

Then we need new starters in midfield. Khedira can be sold desu. Sign Fabinho and Verratti. Verratti-Fabinho-Pjanic would be pretty damn good.

In:
Sanchez/Di Maria etc.
Fabinho
Verratti
Betancur
Schick
De Sciglio

Out:
Lichtsteiner
Khedira
Sturaro
Lemina
Rincon
Asamoah

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>>76349155
Too disgusted to even analyze what happened and what areas need to be improved with reinforcements without being too harsh. It's not the loss itself that pisses me off - seen five of those already and always stuck with the team - but the manner of it. After evenly matched first half Juve just bent over and got fucked tactically, technically and physically. It was so bad you can't point out individual players to blame and most likely it all comes down to Allegri fucking up half time instructions and adjustments. One could argue it was Casemiro's deflected goal that changed the game, however with the pressure they've been inviting it was just asking for the inevitable. At least these >>76350365 >>76350493 give me so hope, Juve are a team that's growing both financially and quality-wise. They made what, 80 million in this CL run alone not counting all the Serie A income and other sources that probably adds up to 400 million or something? I want to see some money spent in the summer

>>7

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>>76350580
110 million from CL alone actually

>>76350562
>Sanchez
Just throw whatever money is required at Arsenal and his wages, he's everything Juve need right now
>Fabinho
He has offers from all the PL clubs who print cash at will, Tolisso offers the same quality without needing to overpay ridiculously
>Verratti
Would be 10/10 signing, but good luck convincing sheikhs to let him go. Unless the player himself specifically demands a transfer, then the Sanchez approach applies and throw whatever money required.
>Shick
Definitely, rotational striker is desperately needed and the lads looks very good.
>those Out departures
Every single one of those, 100% correct

>>76350637
>He has offers from all the PL clubs who print cash at will, Tolisso offers the same quality without needing to overpay ridiculously

Just need a proper defensive midfielder desu. Plus Pjanic would probably play better with more support.

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>>76350580
To increase our hopes a little bit more there's the fact (I don't if it's true or not tho) that PSG wants to hire Allegri and pay him €10mln per season, so he asked Juve to increase his salary up to €8mln and some substantial moves on this transfer window to give him a real competent team for the CL.
But I just stopped hoping now.

>>76350622
Well fuck me, that's more than the >pogba scam. And just like previous summer when Marotta and co. weren't afraid to spend, hopefully the same happens now. Juve don't need complete overhaul, just 2 new starting players of highest quality (box-to-box, winger) and some depth (Shick, there's already Caldara, Pjaca and Bentancur as youth prospects). So don't jew around and get fucking Sanchez

>>76350562
>Out:
>Sturaro
>Rincon
Agree with you on everything but the selling of these 2 players. Sturaro isn't that bad if you ignore that one memetastic lost-the-ball moment. And Rincon looks decent in midfield as well in his short passing, intercepting and fookin' runnin' about a bit.

Obviously they won't win you a CL, but they're good to have around.

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miss me yet?

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>>76350682
I think we need 2 starting midfielders. Khedira should go and I don't think Marchisio can be world class anymore sadly.

>>76350705
Rincon maybe but Sturaro is a meme

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>scores deflected goal in european final. wins trophy
>old team loses european final because of deflected goals
who am I

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I miss /seriea/ lads, missed the past couple of weeks but it was so comfy ;_;

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>>76349155
>Will the pain ever end?
No.

>>76350754
>filename
>2
>>7

>>76350662
>more support
Amen, Khedira doesn't cut it anymore. Someone with far better stamina and tackling is required to pair with him, Pjanic is deployed in far too limited and defensive role so his qualities in playmaking are hindered. 4-3-3 would solve this, I'd give Marchisio another chance in starting XI next to Pjanic as creative pair with an actual defensive mid behind them. Dybala can't be trusted as the central #10 with all the chance-creating duties on him, so put him on the right flank where he can dribble and cut inside, that's what he does best.

>>76350580
7-2

>>76350720
this was for >>76350682

>>76349155
>Day 2
I hope there's a Day 3 and 4 to this.

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>>76350669
>substantial moves on this transfer window
We'll see, a fuckload of money was earned during the course of this season so there are no excuses

>>76350792
Excellent insight my friend, one of the better posts in this thread

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>>76350810
it's gonna pain them for years to come. they really had the hopes high. /sp/ also contributed to con them into thinking they had a chance. it was great psy-op, lads

>>76350828
7-2

>>76350811
Juve are never going to spend big we both know it. They did so last year but that's because they sold Pogba

>>76350828
7-2

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So, juvebros it's time

>Allegri

or

>Conte

?

>>76350725
>Marchisio
He can't cover half the pitch with his busted legs after the injuries anymore, that's why he should be given last chance in midfield trio with an actual workhorse behind him and Pjanic. His passing and reading of the game is still top notch, and that's what Juve lack since Pjanic isn't allowed the freedom. So yeah, Fabinho or Tolisso or someone of that type is needed. Purchases from the Barbossa league are always tricky, but isn't William Carvalho supposed to be excellent anchor man?
Khedira OUT

Allegri is obviously a bottler. Get rid of him and replace him with someone who has cajones.

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>>76350854
we cannot spend, we need to give all these families their bread and butter.

>>76350854
Don't have any specific numbers to quote, but I would bet Juve's total income this season should be about as high as it was year before EVEN without conning someone into paying 100 million for Lemina.
>>76350871
Allegri, with all due respect to Conte's contribution to rebuilding Juventus. 2CL finals in three years speak for themselves, regardless of the resutls. Not to mention the domestic doubles

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>>76350913

>>76350871
Conte
Allegri had CL experience with Milan and was used to, Conte just needed more time and more money

>>76350913
the Italian Chelsea

>>76350884
Like who? Jardim and Sarri can't set up defence, Juve are not going to appoint a manager like that. Simeone won't come in thousand years, he's a former Inter man.

>>76350828
>>7
>2

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>>76350876

----------------Buffon
Alves-Bonucci-Chiellini-Sandro
----------------Tolisso
----------Verratti-Pjanic
-----Dybala-Higuain-Sanchez

How many finals did your childhood team win and read lads? What did they do this year?
I can't say I'm happy right now but after a few days I know I'll be more than satisfied with our season.

Fuck off.

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>>76350919
>Allegri
is he the new Simeone? what do you guys think, is it worth it continue to bet on him?

>>76350580
>but the manner of it
Would Juve fans say this was worse than the Barca final? I thought you lot put up a better fight this time but maybe my memory is hazy.

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>>76350871
Allegri, whole life.
I don't know if he is the right man to win us a CL (the last 2 finals say no), but if it wasn't for him we wouldn't even remotely dream about it.

>>76350952
Yes
It was worse
With Barcelona we were desperate but we desperately tried to make it happen

In the second half we didn't even try this time

>>76350929
Conte also recently lost FA cup to fucking Arsenal of all teams, he's a league specialist like no one else but doesn't seem to be suited for cup competitions - see his Coppa Italia record

>>76350919
The alredy reached the final once and they didnt spend big after and they wont now. The Agnelli family is much like whoever runs Arsenal, except with better director of football and slightly less jewish

>>76350952
way worse

>>76350977
chelsea is shit m8
i have no idea how they won the league

>>76350935
Maybe get an up and comer. For example, someone who is just 36 and has had like 2 jobs in management. You multiply those things together and you'll have a great candidate.

>>76350952
>worse than the Barca final
Definitely. Barcelona at the time were heavy, heavy favorites and even though Juve got outplayed as expected, they went out fighting. This time it was more evenly matches (about 60-40 for Madrid) and Juventus got anally devastated in second half.
>2015
Fair loss
>2017
Embarrassment

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>>76350952
we knew barca was the much better team then. we came into this one on almost equal terms but choked even harder

>>76350990

Chelsea Juve game with current squads would be the bomb

>>76350952
This is definitely worse than 2 years ago, not even close.
2 years ago we were the underdogs and Barça was probably the best of all time.
Real surely is the best team in the world right now, but Juve's was far more consistent and confident this time. They played a perfect 1st half and conceded a goal on the only shot, then they didn't even play anymore

>>76349155

You should've kept Arturo the incan Vidal and the dab man. How is one young little argie supposed to compete against kroos, Isco, modric all by himself? With what help? Sami the Turk? Mario "I'm only good at headers and nothing else" Mandzucic? Dani "i used to be on barça you know" alves? What did you think was gonna happen? You sold all the playmakers and Spent the money on a pure striker who can't score even with the best playmaker in the world on his (national) team.

>€90 million to win the scudetto

Kek

>>76350963
I don't think Allegri can ever win us that stupid cup. We were lacking someone to hold the midfield together. someone like the overrated muslim.

>>76351005
Wait for Zidane.

Dani Alves is shit. Couldn't track Marcelo at all. Get a young fullback like Bellerin who can keep up with the pace of the game.

>>76351028
A feeder club to the Europes best doesnt have that luxury.

>>76351028
Juve worked perfectly since the 4-2-3-1 lineup, both in the league and in CL. It even worked perfectly in the 1st half of the final.
No one asked Dybala to do everything, the real strength of Juve was that everybody was supported by the other teammates, everybody sacrificed himself to help the rest of the team. But for some reason they had a brakdown when more needed

Plus:
>€90 million to win the scudetto
The 90 million were divided in two halves, and this year the 45 million were easily repaid.
The 90 million were for a pure #9 striker that could decide the matches by himself (which he did lots and lots of times), something Juve lacked in too many years

>>76350504
>8 in 2003
Fuck off underage

>>76350981
Grim thought, but lets see. Juve are growing year after year so there's more money than there was in 2015
>>76351005
Someone like Tuchel, you mean? That's a huge gamble, the last thing Juventus need are choking Serie A as well. The entire project is built on dominating domestic competitions and hoarding all the television revenue and prize money available, they don't have the customers and sponsors of PL teams who can throw money around with nothing to show for it. Allegri is experienced enough to deliver what's expected, and lets be honest here he overachieved by reaching those two finals alone.

>>76351028
>Arturo
Indeed, someone like PRIME Vidal is what's missing. Problem is, Vidal became liability mentally and also his form dropped and never recovered after the injury in 14/15. Do you remember him in '15 final against Barca? That's far from prime Vidal who was probably the best CM in the world couple of previous seasons, and he didn't become as good for Bayern either. Awful sell for just 30 million or whatever it was still
>pogba
Kek
>€90 million to win the scudetto
As already pointed out earlier, Juventus are completely dependant on dominating domestically from economical point of view

>>76351163
Juve didn't deploy 4-2-3-1 on Saturday though, it was 3-4-1-2 (or 3-4-2-1). I hoped form the formation myself and shilled it on /sp/, but as it turns out there might be a reason why no other top CL teams use something similiar. It should be stricly 4-2-3-1 next season, or transitioning to 4-3-3 like we've been parroting around in /seriea/ whole season. No reason to shoehorn Barzagli into starting XI anymore, he was among Top 3 CBs in the world in his time but that's gone sadly.

>>76350580
hey faggot, come to /trans/ to laugh at all retarded deals, nobody gives a shit about the cl

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>>76350669
fixed

>>76351163

>pure #9 striker who could decide matches by himself

That would be Suarez, Lewandowski, benzema.... certainly not higuain. But no one of that quality would go to juve in their prime.

But why did the whole midfield completely shut down after the half? Were they paid to throw the match? Between mandzucic, alves, dybala I think there were maybe 5 touches combined.

>>76351286
Please don't encourage him to shit up /trans/ with his squawka graphics

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>>76351285

>>76351334
they were just overrun. serie a is too shitty and in the CL path, they didn't never faced any really strong team along the way. juve's midfield was way too poor

>>76350580
>always stuck with the team

You want a medal? Lol

>>76351334
>benzema
nope

>>76351478
United customers are so fucking mad at this guy is unbelievable

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No Italian team is winning anything relevant until THIS is no longer elite in Serie A

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WHY DID YOU DOPED UP FAGGOTS HAVE TO WIN IN 96 OTHERWISE WE WOULDVE BEEN THE FIRST BACK TO BACK CL WINNERS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>76351512
What?

TSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

I think Chiellini is past it. Juve should look to someone like Varane, though they'd face competition.

>>76351286
We'll have fun there later, pal. Need to recover from the butthurt first

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what did they mean by this?

>tfw not mad anymore cause life goes on and just really really excited for the signings
forza juve lads

>>76351334
>Suarez, Lewandowski, benzema
You're implying any of those would have done anything if they were in Higuain's place on Saturday. Obviously you're wrong about that, what the hell is a poacher supposed to do when there's zero service? The remark about midfield is correct though, but it wasn't just the midfield collapsing and letting Real centre run the show, the BBC defence shat the bed just as hard. I don't see any other explanation than blame Allegri and his inability to improvise on the spot when Real started dominating completel right after second half whistle, it's no coincidence that Juve conceded more goals in 45 minutes than over the course of their entire CL run.

>>76351514
he's actually the perfect guy for a league win. way too many big teams lose points with smaller teams because they dont have a guy like him. if juve woudl have a guy whos actually clutch to rotate higuain out of most big games it would be great

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>>76351357
Is Barzagli a rightback in your opinion? Doesn't matter how >whoscored interpret the lineup, it was the most obvious 3-4-1-2 in existence

>>76351623
>Juve conceded more goals in 45 minutes than over the course of their entire CL run

This is such a beautiful piece of data.

>>76351551
... why would he leave Madrid

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>>76351611
>excited for the signings
Y-yeah

>>76351623
The only solution I could think of was Cuadrado in for Barzagli at the beginning of 2nd half. This way you would've had a real fullback to follow Marcelo and also Cuadrado by being more offensive would've probably forced him to defend a little more.
But I think neither Allegri nor everyone else would've expected such a dominance from Real

>>76351689
>expecting big signings in the winter session
lets have hope

>>76351662
Absolutely true. Juve simply can't afford to lose their domestic top dog status in order to sustain themselves, unless they want to get sold to chinks like Intercucks and Memelan.

>>76351611
This >>76351689
We haven't signed up anybody yet, so there's even that to be excited about

>>76350562
>signing Sánchez and Verratti

L E L
E
L

>>76351730
We have Caldara, Schick basically confirmed

>>76351728
I honestly don't know how much winning the league pays, but I think that with things like the new brand and sponsored stadium Juve is slowly trying to be able to financially sustain itself

>>76349330
You had Based Tevez in a perfect form, not Shitguain

>>76351752
Keità too, but those aren't the players shuld be signing if they want to actually win the CL soon.

>>76351694
>Cuadrado in for Barzagli
The only thing that could have been done, and should have been done earlier. You're right that Madrid's total pressure more or less came out of nowhere, but that's when a good manager steps in a makes adjustments before disaster happens. Madrid scored in 61st minute, Juve were already getting destroyed left, right and centre for 16 minutes at that point.

>>76350562
>Betancur
Lmao, I still don't know what did you see in Betanmeme to sign him up

>>76351777
He disappears in big matches, too

Luckily, when you are in Juventus, not many matches are big

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just leaving this here guys.

>>76351786
It was just a matter of time from the beginning, they couldn't even get past the midfield.
And after the 1-2 they simply surrendered. Mandzukic lazily being anticipated and the defenders staying still without following Ronaldo were the proof.
The first shot on the second half was around '81, embarrassing

>>76351828
Part of the deal that got Tevez back to boca was an option on him, and it was for so little money it was worth to take that risk. Maybe he'll pan out

>>76351765
Prize money itself is fuck all, but (as far as I know) the TV revenue gets divided accordingly to league positions with heavy bias towards the winners, and that's where the big money is. Juve want CL naturally, but NEED the scudettos. And it's not just money, but prestige and status thing as well. Convincing elite players to come to Serie A is hard enough, now imagine if Juve couldn't play the top dog card anymore hypothetically. Same applies to sponsors

>>76351163
>The 90 million were for a pure #9 striker that could decide the matches by himself (which he did lots and lots of times), something Juve lacked in too many years

Serie A matches sure, European matches lel.

>>76351028
Dude if your logic is "they're shit because they choked in the final" then Pogba and Vidal are even worse, because they were completely lost against Barca two years ago, Vidal even deserved a second yellow early in the match

>>76351946
You have to admit part of the "value" of that 90mln transfer was weakening their rivals

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>>76351853
Not even worth analyzing it, embarrassing match from any point of view. Even the single goal was just Croat's magic, not a real chance

>>76351551
>Varane

The delusion is real

>>76351964
that proceeded to set the record for theyr most ponts earned ever in the league and had the most goals scored in the league, truely devastated.

>>76351946
Monaco - Juve 0-2

Yeah I know you will mention about Monaco's defense and all, but that's the perfect example: 0-0, 2-0, 2 goals from Higuain.
He probably had like 3 chances the whole match

>>76352006
Not an argument, Juve management couldn't have known that beforehand and who know, maybe with Higgy they would have won the league

>>76351948
And that's why there were sold. Plus unlike Higuain, >pogba couldn't even be relied on in Serie A without other midfielders carrying him. I'd take Vidal back though, out of form he's still much better than Khedira

>>76352006
kek

>>76352017
This

>>76352006
Surely they improved to destroy 5-0 small teams, but big matches? Hardly a win.
They also got 3rd, not even 2nd place

>>76352009
>big matches
>Monaco

ayyyyy

>>76352017
>Not an argument,
how si that not an argument?
>take away attacker to waken the team
>team scores more and makes more points than ever
the objective failed, and with the money they bought young prospects
>>76352051
>but big matches?
AH yes Higuain is famous for being good in big matches...

>>76351964
>giving 90 million to your rivals which they used to stock up on young players with high ceilings is "value"

>>76352066
>only possible big matches are against Barcelona, Madrid and Bayern
Flawless logic

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>>76349155
>7th final lost
>4 pears
still nutting....

>>76351973
Still, 1st and 2nd halves were too completely different matches, from almost perfection (more chances, 1 shot on the net conceded) to completely nothing.
I thought that couldn't go worse than before for Juve, but this is absolutely the worst final ever

>>76352077
>>76352082
Higuain was bought to score in league, which he did. He even cucked Napolel out of Coppa Italia, the ony chance of actually achieving something they had. Napolel can cry about >muh goals and >muh beautiful one-twos all they want, there's nothing to show for it.
>young prospects
Well lets see how those turn out, if any actually manage to become decent maybe Juve will buy them too

The main thing Ma needs to do is install the 4-3-1-2 like Zidane in Real and like Pigletto used to do with Mi Lan. Put Pjanić in the Pirlo role and surround him with Khedira and a new high-profile signing. Dybala on the 10 and obviously Higuain + Mario/Shick/Keane up front.

Buffon - D. Alves (?), Bonucci, Chiellini, A. Sandro - ???, Pjanić, Khedira - Dybala - Higuain, Mandžukić.

Tbf I think many big names will do their best to avoid Juve now because the narrtive is we're the biggest chokers of modern age, it's like a curse.

>>76351551
>Varane
lol
If you switch the CBs is gonna stll end 1-4

>>76352083
>scoring against a overpowered team is proof Higuaín appears in big matches

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>>76352116
First half wasn't sustainable though, especially in opening 10-12 minutes Juve wasted far too much energy and it showed later on. The other 45 minutes - wish I could just delet them

Dont you guys think that you're being too harsh on Khedira?

>>76352182
>especially in opening 10-12 minutes Juve wasted far too much energy and it showed later on.
Blame that on Max, he half admitted the game plan was to score first and park the bus so they gave everything early trying to score first.

>>76352122
>4-3-1-2
It's actually "reinstall", Juve used to play that formation quite a lot under Allegri especially in his first season. Interesting option though, wouldn't mind giving it another chance. But with current squad composition, it's easier to buy a winger and a midfielder with high workrate and defensive skills (Khedira is busted) and either stick to 4-2-3-1, or 4-3-3 assuming Dybala can pull off inside forward role

>>76352195
He was bad, but the whole midfield was pretty bad apart from Pjanic. Especially Dybala had a shocker. He couldn't control a ball if his life depended on it.

Khedira also wasn't exactly matchfit desu, he was coming of an injury

>>76352118
>there's nothing to show for it
Yeah, nothing except a angry-at-juventus, well oiled attacking machine that isnt bogged down by a 90 million euro bag of liposuction clinic waste.

>>76352118
>Higuain was bought to score in League
no Slovakia try again. Higuain was bought to win Champions League.Juve staff, himself, journalists, everyone knows that in Italy.

>>76352122
>Tbf I think many big names will do their best to avoid Juve
I'm not so sure about that.
Just pick 2 of the most talked players, at least by the fans: Sanchez and Verratti.
Is the situation in their respective teams really that better?
Juve is a choker team, sure, but it's also guaranteeing at least a CL semi-final every year

>>76352227
>Higuain was bought to win Champions League
Higuain was bought because Juve needed a world class striker (inb4 people greentexting world class) that's it

>>76352227
There's an interview with one of the backroom staff, I think by Mina Rizouki (?) and they say they got Higuain to seal up the league in september so they could focus everything else on the CL

>>76352195
We're probably too harsh on everyone involved with Juve right now, but what else do they deserve after the performance? They'll get paid handsomely and regenerate on holidays we can't even imagine, but fans have to endure the shame and taunting with nothing in return. Why even reach the final when you're just embarrassing the club colours?
>Khedira
His whole season was sort of meh, not just this one fucked up match. Should be replaced definitely imo

>>76352252
Well the league hasn't been this close in years so...

>>76352252
When did that ever help? Not for Bayern the last 4 years.

Real Madrid and Barcelona push each other to the limits until the last game.

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>>76352226
>w-we're really angry and offensive
>actually finish behind AS Reddit, let alone challenging Juve

>>76352217
I don't know what would be the best lineup, but the important thing is just choosing one and then buy the players that better suit it.
Being able to transform the team during the match is obviously useful and important, but there needs to be a primary lineup.
This year Juve was built for a 4-3-1-2, which is the Allegri's favorite, but without Pogba the midfield wasn't consistent enough. It took him the whole 1st half of the season to find the right one.

>>76352284
Again, they couldn't have know that manlet Mertens was going to GOAT it up and that choker-in-chief Dzeko was going to score 29 goals

They were just talking about their goals for the season back then

>>76352284
Oh come on the only reason it was this close it's because Juve completely fucked up the last month of the season, winning just twice against Crotone and Bologna

>>76350935
>Sarri can't set up defence
napoli concedd only slightly more shots on goal than juventus, and less than any other team. But Reina is past it and concedes far too easily.
In fact one of the things he was rated for before napoli was his ability at setting up the defense

I think it would be refreshing to see Juve put all their focus on the Champions League next season and give leeway to Napoli or the Milan Clubs to win it, no?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>76352227
>everyone knows that in Italy
That might be the case, I wouldn't know. This is exactly how I perceived the purchase since the beginning >>76352252 , and how Juve fans discussed it in /trans/ and /seriea/. He did what I expected of him personally, can't say what the official stance of club was

>>76352354
Why would they do that? I think they got the balance right, at the end of the day they weren't quite good enough to beat Real Madrid. What they should be doing is finding out how much Real Madrid paid the ref then offer him more next time.

>you
ve

>>76352397
SUPERB post

(meme arrow)we'll never have another chance

>>76352418
You've literally been in three finals this millennium, only Real and Barca have been in more.

>>76352330
It's safe to assume it's going to be a four man defence with two CBs, so anyway a good mdifield tackler like Kante to replace Khedira is a necessity. Rincon isn't starting XI quality, even though he fits the profile. For 4-3-1-2 it would take ADDITIONAL midfielder besides single purchase, while for 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 it's a winger. Probably it depends on availability of players on transfer market, but to be perfectly honest I'm saying once again that #10 isn't Dybala's optimal position, at least not in 4-2-3-1 where he's required to backtrack. With midfield trio behind it would be another story

>>76352336
top moving the goalposts you said they bought Higuain to gimp Napoli, but Napoli scored more and made more points, than you said it was to close the league early, and the league wasn't this close in years, just admit you were wrong.
>>76352349
>it's because Juve completely fucked up the last month of the season, winning just twice against Crotone and Bologna
And? Higuain was bought to kill the league and he didn't that's all.

Why didn't Juve switch to the meme formation 7-2 when Cuadrado was sent off? Real Madrid wouldn't have been expecting that and they could have gotten back into the match.

>>76352380
Ttrust me. Every sport newspapers like Gazzetta, Corriere, Tuttosport (i have no time for screencap or pic), every juventus staff, every juventus fan, everyone knows that Higuain (and Pjanic) were bought to get the Champions League. And that's why, just after the final, some juwe fans were pissed off at Higuain.

>>76352354
Juve just need to make a couple of big money signings of players that have international experience and won trophies BUT that are in theyr prime not like Alves.

>>76352352
Shots on target conceded aren't the single measure of defensive performance, especially when you hog possession as much as Napolel do - much more than any other team in Italy, even fifth in Europe in total possession actually. Might be the case of shit GK, but from what I've seen their CBs aren't much better either and overall they're shaky and defensive midfielder isn't set up the way like it's usual in successful 4-3-3 systems.

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>>76352118
>buy striker for €90million
>"he wasn't bought for the big matches"

>>76352526
if their CB aren't that good than all the more it goes to the manager's credit if they concede little.
And yes, conceding as few chances as possible is what a defense has to do. It makes no sense to say that sarri can't set up a defense.

>>76352354
Serie A is so bad that Juve would win it even if they don't want it

in the last 20 years juve has won the same numer of champions league as roma, napoli, chievo verona, lazio, bologna, SPAL, Atalanta,Crotone and Palermo.
Pogba in one season has won more european title than Juventus since he was born.

>>76352508
>sport newspapers
It's like they make money by making sensantional headlines, innit
>juventus staff
Any quotes? I might be wrong of course and correct me if that's the case, but this >>76352252 is all I recall
>juventus fans
Not like your average fan has much insight into inner matters of the club. When one sees a striker being transfered for 90 million, of course the first thing he expects is a hat trick in CL Final. Doesn't mean it's remotely realistic, or that it's his purpose
>kill the league and he didn't that's all
How not? He scored against Napolel and AS Reddit, the only other title contenders. He cucked Napolel out of Coppa Italia as a bonus, so that's everything he could have done domestically. Doesn't matter if he scored 22, 24 or 28 league goals that's just statpadding. Juve had a reliable poacher, those kind of players cost the most. Lets see Dzeko repeating his scoring haul next season, how many did he have in 15/16, eight? Lmao. You know Higuain is going to score 20+ next season as well, something you can't say about the other memes in league.

>>76352391
I thought it was a pretty clean game other than the Ramos incident. Which happened when game was effectively already over. It's funny how finals feel like they fly by. Before you know it you're 2 goals down with 20 minutes to go and you're wondering how the fuck it's happened.

>>76352571
This might be a mind-boggling concept for a paki, but CL final isn't the only big match a club plays over the season. By that logic, Manure haven't played a single big match the whole season since their only semi-capable opponent in 16/17 was Chelsea. And they got fucked by them in two out of three occasions

>>76352493
>implying goals set at the beginning of the season HAVE to be fulfilled

Not moving any goalposts la', just not being delusional like yourself

>>76352578
That's exactly why I brought up the shitty CBs, you can' blame it solely on manager so maybe the initial statement about Sarri on my part was too harsh. Anyway, there's nothing to suggest he's good at defensive side of the game either. All in all he reminds of Italian Brendan Rodgers - pretty play and bailed out by in-form players.

>>76352621
no man i'm at work, i have no time for pics related. trust me, Higuain was bought for that, also Juventus can manage serie A without him (like last year). Also why spend 90m just to get rid of Chievo or Crotone?

>>76350456
You can get Keita from Lazio. >>76350493
He's said he would like to play for Juve. I also think Mahrez would be a good sign. He knows how to play that counteroffensive style of football.

For right back you can go for Conti. Had a good season and if you want to go for a older veteran than Gibbs or one of the Manchester City fullbacks Pep is running out, like Sagna.

>>76350562
Verratti's agent already said he ain't moving. Matuidi is available he wants out of PSG.

>>76350562
Di Maria is an interesting one.

>>76350637
>Just throw whatever money is required at Arsenal and his wages, he's everything Juve need right now
The primer league is stupid money. The prices are way too inflated but yeah Sanchez back in Italy would be dope.

>>76350725
>>76350781
>>76350876
Can Allegri turn Marchisio into his new Pirlo regista player?

>>76351163
>The 90 million were for a pure #9 striker that could decide the matches by himself (which he did lots and lots of times), something Juve lacked in too many years
Yeah Higuain and sorry >>76351514
he isn't all that bad during the year. He just couldn't get good service during the final. When he gets service, he scores. See his fat ass for evidence that he'll feast if you feed him the ball. Don't ask him to run though.

>>76351551
Why not Laporte?

>>76352707
>implying goals set at the beginning of the season HAVE to be fulfilled
so you admit that Higuain's signing didn't fulfill the goals tha it was supposed to. Glad we agree.

>>76352854
The goal was to win the league as early and easily as possible so they could be as many eggs in the CL basket as they could. Even Juve management know there's no surefire way of winning it.

On the one had they did seal up the league when it started since noone ever doubted it was going to be them winning it, and obviously they didn't win the CL but they got pretty close

>>76352661
I didn't say the CL final was the only big match of the season. Every CL knockout game is a big game. And Piguian has consistently shown that he can't compete at that level. It's just hilarious that anyone thought that a team with Hguian as their main source of goals could win the CL. Delusional, you might say. If you're buying someone for that kind of money then they should be making a mark in the biggest games of the season, especially if they're a supposed goal scorer.

>>76352724
he's actually pretty good at setting up defense.
The low number of chances conceded with shitty CBs and an offensive style of play is testament to that.And in Empoli too he greatly improved their defense and it was thanks to that that they came up in serie A and remained there.

>>76352920
You now remember Crotone stays up whilst Empoli is relegated.

Happy feel

>>76352819
I trust you, just asking what's the consensus in Italy out of curiosity.
>why spend 90million on Serie A
And why gamble with historic sixth title when there's money spend?( Courtesy of Manure)
We've already been through the reasons why Juventus need the domestic dominance in this thread, so there's no need to repeat the importance of scudettos. And like Netherlands says >>76352885 "here's no surefire way of winning it", well having the guy who broke historic goalscoring record in your team definitely helps achieve it. Don't get me wrong, I sort of admire the offensive 4-3-3 Napoli use (not only because Hamšík) and wish Juve were a bit more like that, but that doesn't mean Napoli wouldn't be better with Higuain in their team. Or that he failed at Juve, obviously

>>76352885
>The goal was to win the league as early and easily as possible
and it was the league that they won the latest and with the fewest point margin in recent years, so tha goal failed.

>>76352915
>costing a lot means the player will win you a CL
Kek, nice customer logic you got there. How is that approach working out for PL clubs? I doubt you're dumb enough to ignore all the reasoning posted here, so just read back in case you've missed it. Here's a shortened version
>Juventus need to retain domestic dominance because reasons
>buy Higuain, who delivers domestic dominance
>b-but he only scored in CL semis and not in final, what a flop!
Waste of (You)s

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>>76352978
>Courtesy of Manure
Juve has been exposed for lacking a dominant midfielder. It's hard to admit but he's the reason the european cup is in Madrid and not in Torino

>>76353086
are you still mad that porto lost to jewve?

>>76352920
Again, I'm not bashing Sarri >>76352978 (the last sentences) and appreciate his offensive approach. But it's a fact that Napoli's only competion in Serie A are Juve and AS Reddit, and they've finished behind either. So bragging about defence just because they've conceded fewer than those two doesn't make much sense. Are they better than Intercucks or Memelan? Of course, but those are not the teams Napoli want to be compared with with their current strenght.

>>76353142
no
hes a mourinho fag that hates the abu slovak

>>76353179
why does he hate him

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>>76353086
>Pogba in one season with Man United has won more european titles than Juventus have since 1996

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>>76349155
>Day 2.
>still couldn't sleep

Some players slept just fine.

Szczesny to Juve

>>76353300
dab for them dubs

>>76349311
Spit? This is beyond spit. This is like God saw that post and decided to forever cum in that spaghetii poster's ass. Godly halal cheesy cum inside the italian's ass. That's what you get for being so sure of your team's success. You always need to check yourself first before you make these fucking idiotic claims. My god. Unreal.

>>76352837
>Can Allegri turn Marchisio into his new Pirlo regista player
Hardly, the regista role itself is nearly extinct. Who even uses that sort of player anymore? Xabi Alonso was similiar, but even he was used in double DM pivot lately. If Marchisio is given another chance in starting XI, and I'd certainly give him one, it should be in 4-3-3 next to Pjanic with an actual holding midfielder to cover. Why do you think Real Madrid suddenly rule the world as soon as they dropped >mouyes' 4-2-3-1 and got Casemiro as a key player? Modern football requires a destroyer, Juve don't have one.

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>>76353300
he had to leave the club, I don't understand why some fans took it so personally

>>76353334
Napoli has Jorginho but I shouldn't had typed out regista because it conjures up a pass happy player really what you need is a player who can drop back in-between the two center-back to receive the ball in the build up phase. Busquets is also good at this. The cdm has to be the anchor who can also move up an provide an outlet to the midfielders. Yeah a destroyer is good but he needs to be good on the ball too. You all need De Rossi.

>>76352885

I don't understand this. Like, who is the competition? Serie A is just a crappier Bundesliga with a crappier king of the league team in Juventus.

>>76353222
They're like yin and yang