How many times do we have to watch this guy get shit on in playoff

>>76345078
He's facing the greatest team of all time. Because it's the greatest team of all time, objectively, Jordan has never faced a team this good.

>>76345110
Because at the time Jordan WAS the best on the best team.

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>>76345110
>greatest team of all time

Maybe the greatest team of this decade

Even jordan can't beat that GSW team,

>>76345173
and yet it still wasn't as good as this team.

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WAKE ME UP INSIDE

>>76345078
He will pass Jordan in every statistical category.

He's obviously not Jordan -- he's the Peyton Manning of the NBA aka modern Wilt Chamberlain.

>>76345207
>implying

How sad that you have to overrate GS to make Lebron's inevitable defeat look better.

>>76345078
>29 pt triple double
How is he getting shit on? He's doing as well as curry and Durant on a worse team

>>76345110
Truly great players rise to the occasion. He's a choke artist though and that's why he'll soon have the most finals losses of all time

>>76345173
Two things. First, by all metrics, the Warriors are better right now than peak bulls. Second, unlike then, Lebron is the best player not the best team. You're comparing apple to oranges.

If you really want to get into the details, MJ played in an era where you couldn't do zone coverage, it was man to man. It's a completely different game. I won't argue which is more difficult to excel in because that's really my opinion, but you're comparing apple to oranges. Let's not forget that they both play completely different positions. but this is besides the point. Lebron will be remembered as one of the greatest of all time. It's just ridiculous to think otherwise.

The strangest part is I'm assumign you're close to my age, so like most of everyone on 4chan, you weren't even an adult when Jordan was in his prime. So why the fuck are you nut riding him? Do you even know why you like Jordan? Or do you like him just because this is what you're told. Considering most people I've talked to really know little about basketball, I'm going to assume its the former. So fuck you.

>>76345307
1 player can't beat a team with 4 all nab calibre players

>>76345291
They're going 16-0. How can you overate that? You're retarded

>>76345181
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/complete-history-of-the-nba/#warriors

This is the closest we'll get to something objective, unless you want to do the math yourself, as it stands they are the greatest team of all time.

>LeBroid
>"GOAT"

literally nobody that understands basketball compares him to Jordan

he's not even top 5 on most people's all time lists

stop hanging out with retards

>>76345310
>Lebron will be remembered as one of the greatest of all time.
No one's denying that he won't, retard. He's been called the greatest since before he even entered the league.We're just pointing out that he doesn't deserve even half the praises he receives.

>>76345204
You have no way to prove that. Jordan always rose to the occasion and fucked entire teams in the ass.

>>76345307
this is the sort of retarded thought that the Rome/Smith/Bayless media created

>>76345307
That doesn't even make sense. You're like talkign some metaphysical shit. That's not ow the world works. He's the greatest player in the NBA right now. But he's also facing a team composed of arguably 4 of the top 10 in the league, with Curry and Durant being MVPs

Basketball is a team sport you fucking retard. Yeah Lebron has elevated every team he is on, but the better team is going to win every time

Lebron isn't just losing on the scoreboard. Curry and Durant are destroying him one on one.

>>76345373
The only retard here is you if you think the Cavs are being swept. You fucks did this last year calling the series over prematurely, only for Lebron and the Cavs to make a comeback.

>>76345298
Shitposting has no logic.

>>76345383
Anyone that knows basketball knows LeBron is top 5

>>76345413
>always
this is intensely revisionist. you do realize that Michael Jordan didn't win championships in 9 of his seasons, right?

>>76345307
You don't know anything about basketball. He's not going to lose 4 more finals

>>76345424
>but the better team is going to win every time

Golden State was the better team last year, yet blew a 3-1 lead. So no, retard, the better team does not always win.

>>76345389
Literally going to be on top of every list. Most well rounded player ever how does he not deserve praise

>>76345307
>he'll soon have the most finals losses of all time
jerry west went 1-8

>>76345389
Why? He just tied magic johnson for triple doubles. He's been the finals every year since 2011. He's faced amazing competition, but this dude has carried every team on his back. Give me one reason why he shouldn't be praised as much as he has? Because he only has 3 rings? To measure the greatness of a player by rings is kind of petty, look at his complete career. Look at all the stats. He deserves all the praise he gets. Not just that, but he's one of the nicest and humblest guys in the NBA. Why people hate him, I don't know.

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>lebeta and cavsfags damage control ITT
injuries/the league suspending green wont save you this year

>>76345307
How the fuck is any great player supposed to take down a team with Durant, Curry, Thompson, and Green? Durant is one of the best scorers of all time and Curry and Thompson are arguably the best shooters of all time (at least Curry definitely is).

People are delusional if they think even Jordan would've somehow beat this retarded team.

>>76345473
No, the Cavs were the better team, that's why they lost. Every player exceeded their playoff and regular season play to win the finals. Things can change. But as it stands right now, yes GSW are the better team. That's why they are winning.

The only time you can say LeBron choked in the finals is 2011. He's been the underdog for every single finals other than 2

>>76345487
>lebeta

kek

>>76345514
their sixth man was a finals mvp 2 years ago. the comparable player for the cavs is a 90 year old richard jefferson with the WOAT tattoo

>>76345514
The 95-96 Bulls would beat this team.

>>76345525
>cavs were the better team
nope, curry/bogut hurt and green wrongfully suspended handed that shit team the chip

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>>76345552

>>76345552
I don't think you really believe that.

>>76345552
You're delusional. How exactly do you expect the Bulls to keep up with the Warriors in scoring? Jordan is going to get his 30+ but they would also need 30+ from Pippen and someone else to even have a shot.

>>76345483
because he deferred his way to 4 Finals losses. if he went out heroballing a la Iverson he wouldn't be getting as much shit as he does right now.

>>76345552
Zone defense would shut MJ the fuck down. He even admitted that.

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on the left is the Bulls when Jordan left to play baseball and came back. on the right is the cavs when lebron left and came back. Lebron has a much more significant impact on his team than Jordan did.

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>>76345552
>hits 18 threes in a game
>scores 132 points in a game

Psssshhhh, nothing personal, Jordan.

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>>76345310
>falling this hard for recency bias
>muh metrics
Stay in the bay faggot. Bulls would murder this club.

>>76345514
How the fuck did they allow a 73 win team to sign durant

>>76345547
I legitimately think that to accept how OP the Warriors team is overall would cheapen their wins, so Warriors fans don't want to accept it.

If you have an amazing team that is completely overpowered, it's not exciting. But if you can delude yourself to believe that the odds are even and that they are overcoming adversity, you got excitement. It also cheapens the star players, who are all great don't get me wrong, but without the supporting cast, not one star would be going thi sfar.

>>76345181
Don't kid yourself

>>76345615
>if he went out heroballing a la Iverson he wouldn't be getting as much shit as he does right now.
>
He did that in '14 (minus the cramps) & '15, but anti-LeBron fans like to forget that.

>LeBron puts up 60/20/20/10/10
>He can't even beat the Warriors fucking loser he'll never be the GOAT

>>76345648
FREE agency.

>>76345078
>best player in the NBA
>switches to Durant in the 4th
>immediately starts getting shit on

It is funny to watch Lebron try to stop Durant. It is clear he can't.

What exactly would the Cavs or any team have to do next year to compete with the Warriors?

I just don't see how any team is realistically expected to beat the Warriors 4 times in the playoffs.

>>76345738

The only person in nba history capable of stopping Durant was Westbrook

>>76345745
They won't. Silver will hype up this one-sided rivalry for another couple of years and everybody will stop watching the sport.

>>76345745
>>76345655
>>76345745
>reddit spacing
You have to go back.

>>76345724
FREE championship

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>>76345249
>>76345534
>>76345707

Yet he doesn't have the heart of a GOAT like Jordan. A GOAT owns moment. el BJ ckokes away his big opportunities while stat padding for his "legacy".

Nobody ever mentions how fucking boring he is to watch too! He just does the same fucking thing every time he drives.

Curry embarrassed him today. That was fun to watch. Curry is entertaining with the ball. His displays are technical and unique. LeChoke just uses his brute strength and massive size to overpower opponents. He'll go down as a great but definitely no where near the greatest. Durant's career looks more promising then LeBitch at the moment.

>>76345777
kek, there's one guy who always goes on and on about the money KD gave up by not re-signing in OKC

we'll find out soon if that really was the price of a ring

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>>76345777
FREE digits.

>>76345773
Make

me

>>76345792
>Curry is entertaining with the ball

Kill yourself millenial trash. Garbage like you ruined the NBA.

>>76345792
Jesus this is a terrible fucking opinion, kill yourself.

>>76345818
Oh shit it's the millenial hater poster

Nice to see you one last time before you kill yourself.

>>76345249
lol except he wont have as many championship rings and Jordan actually played in the East when it was tough. Also don't remember Jordan going to join a super team to get rings. Ride that dick harder, nigger.

>>76345695
with his %s he'd be better off heroballing instead of passing as much as he does

>>76345853
>redit spacing
Might as well get a trip code at this point. We know it's you

>>76345867
I said statistical. Rings are a team accomplishment. We are comparing players not teams. Looking at the stats LeBron is better.

>>76345867

>east was tough back then

What is this bullshit? You had the knicks who were pretty good, a chronically choking pacers team, and a magic team for a few years. The east was a joke and most rosters were diluted due to all of the expansion teams

>>76345867
>racist white boy hates LeBron
Interesting pattern

>>76345110

fuck you

jordan scored 60+ on the BEST CELTICS TEAM EVER.

birds celtics. is gsw stacked? sure. but jordan GOT IT DONE.

durant > lebron

prove me wrong.

if durant played in the east he'd have 3-5 rings by now.

>>76345965
Except he didn't win that series you idiot.

>>76345986
Durant couldn't beat Lebron when he had a team with Westbrook and Harden.

LeBron has two first team all stars by his side every night. But he's too much of a bitch to even make it competitive.

>>76345818
>el BJ fans still asshurt from seeing their """"GOAT""""". Get absolutely REKD by Curry.

>>76343423

That's what talent looks like!

>>76345938
Why do you lie on the internet. The East was the stacked conference during the 90s. Not to say the west was trash(like east was in the last 8 years), but the East conference finals was sometimes regarded as the real NBA finals.

>>76346027

>literally double dribbles on the shot fake

Fred Hoiberg was right

Reminder that Jordan was, and still is, the result of a marketing scheme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPn1J07F10E

>>76345078

What the Fuck is he supposed to do, sleep with the livestock!? When is he going to get more Fucking help!

You MotherFuckers. You better Fucking stop. I mean he is now tied all time in Triple Doubles career in the finals. What more can he Fucking do?

He has one Fucking player other on his team actually doing shit!

The Warriors had 20 Fucking turnovers and they still blew them out by 20! How does something like this Fucking happen!

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>>76346072
Delete this now

>>76345925
He's not better. Numbers don't tell the whole story. LeChokr can't get it up for the big moments.

>>76346022
Durant has an MVP, the 2nd greatest shooter of all time, and one of the most versatile forward who is likely the DPOY with him every night. Tell me how that's even remotely comparable with either Love or Irving (who is dogshit half the time).

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>>76345419
Nah, this shit existed long before then

>team has bad game
>hurrrfff better blame the biggest star player on the team even if it's not his fault

You see this shit all the time in divegrass and it's even more retarded there

>>76345988

and? where is lebron scoring 60 to give his team a chance?

jordan scored 35 with the damn flu. he is a winner, he always found a way to win. and he didnt do it in the soft east like lebrick.

>>76346063

Name these stacked east teams that history looks kindly on. The magic and Knicks were the only teams anywhere close to that outside of the bulls.

>>76346116
>and?

Fuck off you fucking leaf. He lost.

>>76346116
>the "The East was stacked when Jordan played" meme

One of my favorite Jordan revisionist memes desu

>>76346131

6-0 in the nba finals

threepeat, twice

in a harder league

mj is the goat

>>76345764
underrated

>>76346072
I forgot my tinfoil hat at David Stern's secret HQ. I'll watch that video when I get it back.

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>>76345867
>hates niggers
>sucks a niggers dick

activates my almonds

>>76346135

the pistons would literally shit all over this cavs team

>>76345373
they are overrated. their talent in comparable to cleveland's, and they're not unbeatable. spurs could potentially beat them. they definitely wouldn't get swept with a healthy team. spurs could and probably would beat cleveland, too.

also, last year's warriors are a better team than this year's. this year's is just better designed to deal with cleveland specifically.

is everyone here underage? warriors wouldn't be nearly as effective with hand checking still in place. jordan's bulls would definitely beat them. defense in the nba today is a shadow of what it was in the 90s.

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>>76345487

>it was unironically 3-1

enjoy being on the wrong side of basketball's 18-1 until the end of time

>>76346124
Cavs, Pacers

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>>76346171
>their talent in comparable to cleveland

>>76346142
This. Some of you losers litterally defend losing. 6-0 > 3-4. It's simple math, but you guys want to bend truths.

>>76346187

Nigger they don't have to play with handchecking so it doesn't matter. Under today's rules meme state would beat any team in history and it probably wouldn't even be close

>>76346091
>What more can he Fucking do?
pull a Zaza on KD and Steph

>all season see threads comparing lebabby to mj
>now lecry fans are mad that the challenge is too hard for their hero

I guess you lose a grasp of reality after seeing a full season of competition in the east

>>76346207
>>76346142
A

FUCKING

LEAF

>>76346110
>zero goals in 2 games against Juve
>Ronaldo gets 2 in one game
TOF pls

>>76346091
wow, another needs more help line. yawn

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>>76346187

Dennis Rodman would murder the entire GSW team

>>76346215
okay and warriors playing in the 90s would be btfo

>>76346195
lebron is the best player in the world and is better than durant. let cleveland fans tell it, irving is better than curry, but the two of them are still comparable either way. klay and draymond are better than tristan and love, but not by much and mainly due to coaching. cleveland has a better bench.

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>>76346220

Are you high? All season it was

>players you'd like to see suffer career ending injuries

>>76346236
>TOF
?

Also,
>looking at results so literally instead of why they happened, looking at individual performances of each member of the team

This shit is exactly what the other anon was talking about. /sp/'s analysis of matches are mostly like Skip Bayless trash.

>>76346222
Ignore our arguments cause you have no excuses to make for LeBron. Fucking eat your burgers and shut up.

>>76345078
SUHHHHHHHHHHHWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP

>>76346239
Draymond would just kick him in the balls, split open his pierced penis.

>>76346222

a

fucking

guy who thinks lebron is better than the best player ever, mj

durant > lelbron

>>76345379
wait... now cavs fans cite 538?

You know this metric had cavs losing to celtics right?

>>76346267
>>76346295
A

FUCKING
U
C
K
I
N
G

LEAF
E
A
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>>76346101
He's statistically better. This is not an opinion. Everything you're saying is.

>>76346091
If LeBron wins, he's the Goat. If he loses, he needs help. Okay buddy. Get off LeBron's lap.

6-0

forever a winner in the nba finals

mj, the best.

>>76345249
>He will pass Jordan in every statistical category.
except for points per game, MVP awards won, game winning shots, dunk contests won, first team all nba defensive team, DPOY awards~

I can go on and on and on again.

>>76346102
If LeBron swapped places with Durant the Warriors would not be as successful as they are now. LeBron would want to push his teammates around like pawns on a chessboard, thereby fucking up the Warrior's improvisational motion offense.

>>76346321
ya good thing he didnt lose in the first round to dogshit teams multiple times

o wait

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>>76346295
>>76291311 #

KD and Curry are killing it, their team is poised for a dynasty. One of the reasons why KD works out so well with GS is bc they're not petty individuals and they all work well as a team. Also, if KD continues to play like he did in G1, he'll be MVP, not Curry - Either way, they will most likely be euphoric from smashing the post season rather than being salty about who's hogging the spotlight.

If el BJ continues to choke, and history shows us he has been a chronic choker, he will fall further and further down the list of GOATS. and say KD gets a few more rings than LeChoke in a few years time, everyone will be comparing Durant > LeChoke, not Jordan>LeChoke

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>>76346305
LeBron fans ladies and gentlemen. Wonder if your from Cleveland too. Where you feed brown water to kids, and your entire economy is based of if LeBron stays or leaves your shit franchise. Hope he leaves Cavs in a couple of years. Then you guys can commit mass suicides in the streets this time.

>>76346315
>If he loses, he needs help
and that's definitely not a legitimate argument when your team has the highest payroll in nba history and you built that team from the gm down.

cleveland literally gave lebron everything he asked for.

>>76346311
It's a fact that el BJ chokes more often than not. i.e. 3-5.

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>>76345413
Jordan 1-9 in playoffs before Pippen.
Scottie Pippen is the real GOAT, fuck Michael Jordan.

>>76346360
Losing to NBA Champions are dogs shit teams? I know you didn't weren't alive to watch 90s ball, so don't talk about 90s ball.

>>76346384
If Jordan is better why does LeBron have more playoff points in less shots.

>>76346344
Most of those aren't stats.

>>76346397

Nobody saw KD joining a 73-win team coming. It literally shook the league to the point where teams are turtling up and amassing assets waiting for meme state to blow up

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>>76346401
3-5 is a team stat. Notice how you refuse to post individual stats. Pathetic

>>76345078
Exactly. STOP comparing LeBron James to Michael Jordan. They are 2 different players from 2 different NBA eras. Also, Jordan is not better than James simply because he never lost in the NBA Finals.

>>76346413

>1-9 before pippen

why do people ignore all the times lebron lost

mj is fucking 6-0 in the finals

SIX AND ZERO

>>76346101
I suppose you've been asleep for the past two years?

>>76346477
>Losing before the finals is better than losing in them

>>76345181
Your fucking deluded out of your god damn mind if you think any meme 90s team could even stay in a game for a half against golden state lmao

Durant, Curry, and Thompson scored 87 pts on 51 shots, and then their 4th scoring threat went 3-6 from 3s.

it's a team game
all he has to do is stack his team to be better and he won't have to be 1st in everything. he's 1st because he has to carry everyone on his back and make up for their deficiencies

>>76346499
This.

3 is more than 2 senpai

>>76346426
LeBron bet the record in 30± more games. And he did it in less shots because he shot 3s. 3s didn't exist when Jordan was young and in training, and it sure wasn't an emphasis during his career. Jordan would put up 60+ points and not shoot a single 3.

Educate yourself on Jordan's career and 85 to 95 basketball era. The golden age of ball.

The only reason why the Warriors would beat the Bulls, is if we're going to play with the soft modern rules, and Rodman would be suspended by Silver.

>>76346477
I don't give a fuck about finals record, every time you don't win the fucking championship you fucking lose you dumb fuck. By your logic, Bill Russel is the GOAT faggot. Why the fuck are shitlords ragging on someone who makes the finals, but loses in them?

Jordan fags love to act like Pippen was some bum ass dude. When Jordan left the bulls only drop two games. Pippen also had a season where he led the team in five statistical categories. Pippen was also the first Point-Forward in the league.

>>76346413
Imagine being this dumb. You think Pippen carried Jordan? Killyourself.

>>76345615

>Iverson heroballing

Nigger Iverson didn't have jack shit of a team when he dragged them to the Finals in 01.

>>76346490

losing more in the finals, against the best teams, means you suck

losing with an undermanned team to the top team, doesnt mean you suck.

>>76345646
Well Jordan better develop a fucking viable 3 then and le Zen master better let Kerr come off the bench and play more than 8 mins and take 2 3s/game otherwise that team's getting fucking destroyed by golden state.

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>>76346499
I think people are still in denial that the difference between current NBA and 90s NBA is almost the difference between 90s NBA and Bill Russell era NBA. Memeball changed the game. Harden's Rockets can go back in time and poop on any Championship team from the 90s, even brain concussion Harden from Game 6 this year.

>>76346550
That last sentence of yours inadvertently supports LeBron, retard.

>>76346578

wrong

lebron CHOKES in the finals. ray allen won him a title, kyrie won him a title.

jordan is 6-0 and put the team on his back all the time.

>>76346015
who both were young and played like shit
just because they were mvp candiates this year doesnt mean they were on that level 4 years ago

>>76346254
Kyries the real issue. The dude is fucking trash on defense, I mean really, really bad. Hes very good but slightly overrated on offense. He is no where near Curry in terms of value. Hes more Iguodala in terms of postive contribution to the team than Curry, but no one cares about defense in the NBA so that gets ignored.

>>76346599
Jordan is 6 -9. Your supposed goat couldn't win without the greatest wing defender of all time.

>>76346426
Lebron also played 30 more games. That is like 2 extra playoff runs. Jordan career playoff average is 33 points, Lebron is 26 points.

>why did he do it in less shots
3 ball.
Lebron has shot waaaaaaaay more 3 point shots than Jordan. Also Jordan 3 point percentage in the playoffs is actually better than Lebron. Mostly because Jordan rarely shot them.

>>76346239
Rodman would average 30 rpg

>>76346646

he always won in the finals and his peers all say he is the best

6-0, always

Bros, I was a lebron homer (before decision 1.0). Even had a lebron t-shirt.

But seeing lebron give up like this is just sad.

TWO fucking points in the 4th quarter. Mother fucker when youre down 20 and shooting >50% dont give the ball to tristan faggot TAKE the shot no one gives a shit about your stats fucking hero ball and show some heart.

This is ultimately why despite being an objectively better player than guys like kobe he falls in peoples minds. Too many lebitch moments.

>>76346736
He was the same in Game 2 last year. He has terrible body language when the team is little to no hope of winning, it makes him look like a big sook.

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>>76346701
His peers only suck his dick because they weren't able to beat him.
>>76346736
LeBron had a triple fucking double, what the fuck do you want him to do? What the fuck would him heroballing even accomplish? His teammates need to get fucking going. Kyle Korver, Kyrie, TT, Deron Williams, Jr, and shump all didnt show up.

They are the faggots that need to get going. TT is being paid millions of dollars to rebound. The motherfucker averaged one rebound a quarter.....

>>76346565
https://youtu.be/4mUHd34auug

There's game 6 of the 1996 nba finals where the bulls clinched it vs. the Sonics. I dare someone to watch this and tell me with a straight face the Brooklyn nets wouldn't destroy the those Sonics.

Goat Jordan goes 5-19 and needs 11-12 free throws just to get 22. Seattle goes 5-24 from 3, Sam Perkins hits everything but the bottom of the net with his shots. Seattle turns it over 20 times, Chicago 19 despite playing at a snail's pace. It's awful. That was his competition.

>>76346142
>Harder league
nice meme

>>76346800
>it's not lebron's fault
>anyone and everyone else's fault but not """GOAT""" el BJ's!
>3-5

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>>76345078

Warriors are very good. But almost any Laker Championship team could beat them. Basketball is about match ups. They wouldn't be able to do shit about Showtime Lakers, or Shaq-Prime with Frobe (and Horry, Fox, Fisher, etc).

>>76345110

Jordan's Bulls would have fared better, but not because of Jordan. I just truly believe a prime Rodman would make Durant's life hell.

>>76345307
this isn't naruto you dumb fucking nigger you can't just win with friendship and plot armor

>>76346599
>lebron CHOKES in the finals. ray allen won him a title, kyrie won him a title.
Every time.

>>76345456
"no"

>jordan wouldn't have ________
>jordan couldn't have ________

Anyone who makes these claims as if there is any truth to them deserves to be shot. You have no fucking clue what Jordan would have done in some made-up fantasy scenario that never occurred.

What you do have is the ability to examine what has in fact occurred. I distinctly recall him putting up 40+ and 50+ point games repeatedly in the playoffs (38 times, i looked). Until Lebeta dominates the court on such a routine basis, he will never compare. Ever.

>>76347648
So you think the Bulls could beat the Warriors?

>>76347648
What's funny is I couldn't tell if you were pro or against Lebron until the 2nd half of your post. Your argument is that interchangeable.

>>76347648
weird that Jordan lost more often than he won, isn't it?

>>76347702
Kek, you are so fucking dumb

I think comparing teams from different eras is retarded to begin with, and that it's a much more useful exercise to examine an individual player's ability to dominate his era when comparing him to someone from another time. And on that metric Jordan absolutely takes a giant shit on Lebron.

>>76347721
Not an argument

>>76347729
i don't think you quite understood what he was trying to demonstrate.

>>76347738
"he" needs to do better then

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>>76347750
other people got it, oddly enough

>>76347648
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html

>>76345892
>Reddit spacing

This is the most autistic comeback I've seen on this board. Only an autist could give a shit about how someone spaces things

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>>76347762
I appreciate the help m8, but I'm not quite sure what you thought I was trying to do, unless it was seeing if he'd admit that comparing teams from different eras isn't a worthwhile exercise or if he would ride Jordan into the sunset.

>>76345298
Triple doubles are now just a meme in today's high scoring game.

>>76347798
that's what i thought

>>76345249
And it will mean nothing other than a fantasy league title

>>76346142
This and only this

Plus took a few years off, then comes back and does the 3peat again like it's nuffin

>>76346426
Better defenders when Jordan was playing for a start

>>76345438
yeah bro, lebron is getting btfo by 4 all nba players including 2 mvps and a finals mvp plus david west ganging up on him, absolutely BTFO right?

LMAO at all the teens ITT who never ever saw Jordan play, talking about how Lebron doesn't compare.

Obsessive hating is as bad as riding dick. James gets praise because he's the best player of this generation. That sells, both to dick riders and haters like you, who ride the dick of feigned basketball wisdom.

>>76347310
Ray Allen had scored 6 PT's playing almost the entire game. If Ray Allen took a nap in the locker room that game his 3 at the end wouldn't be needed.

>>76347974
Lebron bricked the shot and then Allen bailed him out. How can you say Allen didn't save him?

>>76347310
Also Kyrie's 8-23, far and away worst defender on the court at any given time ass. What would LeBron do without him?

>>76347991
How can you sit here with a straight face and tell me someone who played over 40 minutes and scored 9 pts won a game for someone who scored 32, had 11 assists and 10 rebounds?

If everyone on the floor had Allen's offensive production that night they would've scored ~50 pts lol

>>76348062
Because I saw it happen. If Allen had been sitting on the bench, Lebron would have the bricked the shot and the game would have been over.

>>76348062
That's the problem with you LeDicksuckers. it's not how many shots you can make, it's. How you shoot when points really do mean something. That's why you don't jack off to statsheets

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>>76347073
>not giving iggy the last shot

>>76346321
i guess bill russel is the GOAT then

>>76345307
>Truly great players rise to the occasion.

Since you put it that way I realize now Lebron isn't truly great. Real shit my YIFFA

>>76345552
No but the 2001 Lakers would.

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>>76346423
nigger, lebron losing in the finals means he lost to the champion you fucking idiot

Seems like the media calls him the greatest player of all time, when he wins. That's when he supposedly single handedly lifts his team up, makes everyone around him better, makes all the right calls and is unstoppable.

If he loses, the media is there to make excuses for him. It's always he was too young, look at who he's playing with, the coaching was bad and no man can do it by himself, he needs help.

>>76350353
are you talking about jordan?

the Cavgods will win game 3 and 4

screencap this

>>76345078
i don't care about "greatest of all time" titles but lebron is better overall while jordan is a marginally better scorer with better clutch

>>76345307
>trying this hard to force a narrative

>>76346171
Besides Lebron and Love the rest of the Cavs are kinda shitters. Kyrie is good if he can sucessfully feed the ball to Lebron and sometimes Love

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>>76345249
Only because he played longer.

>>76345249

heres a statistical category

Jordan lost only 11 games in the finals and has 6 rings

Lebron is 2 more games from 27 which is most all time and has just 3 rings and all 3 came with questionable circumstances

>an unproven expansion team whos never went back
>a bailout 3 and then stomped the next year by that team
>a timely suspension of the other teams best defender
>also the mvp going thru a divorce and making uncharacteristic turnovers, that team has come back and is stomping lebrons team

notice a trend of the only 2 proven franchises he's played?

>>76345307
>muh heart and rising to the occassion meme

Negra in the 3 games Jordan clinched his titles from 1996-98 he combined to shoot 35-89, that's not even 40% without shooting many 3s. It's not that simple.

>>76346171
Ok buddy Google the box score from last night and tell me this Cavs team is a questionable playoff team in the east without LeBron.

>>76346187
90s fags sound like robots when they respond. I'm 31 and would eat my shit if golden state didn't crush them by 30+ every game in a series.

>underage
>back then they played defense
Every fucking time. Back then they thought 3s were for faggots and that's why they'd get blown the fuck out of the water.

>>76346187
>hand checking
https://youtu.be/qPBz3_Jgd-U?t=402

>>76350718
>thought 3s were for faggots and that's why they'd get blown the fuck out of the water
You know that Kerr was know to be one of the best 3PT shooters at the time right? You are confusing the 70s with the 90s.

The 90s definitely had gritty D but there was 3PT specialists then.

>>76350678
>unproven expansion franchise
Don't understand this when everyone Jordan played was a 1 and done for the decade for finals appearences, except for the jazz, and that's the only time they ever appeared. He'll when he left someone else he never played won the west. The west was a revolving door of mediocrity when Jordan played.

>>76350762

Lakers were still the Lakers from the 80s
Portland was in the finals 2x in 3 years
they swept the defending confrences champ Magic in 96 enroute to seattle
Jazz went 2x

and they beat all those teams convincingly

the 91-98 bulls nba finals net points is the highest of any franchise since the celtics during the 8 team NBA joke years

>>76350762
>>76350806

and the only time thunder went to the finals that year was cause Spurs got hurt

that would be like if laker fans bragged about beating the Magic in 09 and never came back and beat the Celtics (who were hurt in the 09 playoffs)

>>76350756
>Kerr
Yeah I know that, too bad his supposed genius coach didn't know that and had him sit on the bench the all game to come out and take 2 3's a game. He shot fucking 50% from 3 one season and averaged 2 shots a game. They shot the same percentage from 3 in the mid 90s they do now, it's just finally people figured out shooting from there more often is a no-brainer.

>>76350827

he won the 3pt shooting contest several times

>>76350874
I know he could shoot but what the hell difference does it make if you don't shoot them? Golden state shot 42 3s at a 42% clip last night.

>>76345389
>same amount of championships as larry bird despite having a worse team objectively
>more FMVP
>more mvp
>better passer
>way better defender
>Arguably better scorer, toss up at best
>elevates his teammates more

So he's basically objectively better than Larry Bird in nearly every way and he doesn't deserve all the praise he gets. Huh

>>76350959
They only get elevated when LeBron wins, they're trash when they lose and LeBron needs help

>>76348076
If LeBron had sat that game the Heat would've lost by 50 you fucking idiot. LeBron did way more for the Heat in game 6 than Ray Allen and his one shot.

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>>76346069
Not a double dribble. You can clearly see it better from the other angle.

Curry had LeChoke on ice skates . That was priceless seeing LeBeta get checked by a true baller.

>>76345078
>not rating LeBron #1 all time
Wait until after LeBron James retires. People only criticize him now for media hype. Once he retires and you look back on his career statistics and accolades, LeBron will be unquestionably considered the GOAT. In ten years, only retards and trolls will not rate LeBron. You should probably stop underrating him before you become one of those things.

>>76350806
>Lakers were still the Lakers from the 80s

LMAO

don't ever talk basketball again you stupid fuck. Dumbest most misinformed thing said in this thread so far.

>>76351021
Actually, if the Heat played a system and not LeBronBall, then they wouldve won more convingcingly.

LeBron desperately needs to go back to the post. It's the best thing they could do to counter GSW's pace.

>>76350991
Watch 2015 and tell me he didn't elevate his teammates. You can't always do it but he's done a good job for his career.

>>76345249
including turnovers, losses, 4th quarters with <5 points, points scored on

whats your point kiddo?

Is anyone enjoying watching the NBA?

>>76351074
Heat played a system back then. LeBron was shooting 40% from 3 because he was heavy catch and shoot and played a lot in the post.

Regardless, that has nothing to do with what I said. If LeBron doesn't play a minute of game 6, the heat would lose by 50. Don't pretend they'd have any shot in hell without him.

>>76351064
You're kidding yourself. If James retires right now, he'll be remembered for being a creation of media hype that only won with stacked teans

>>76351116
>These are the people we post with

>>76350991
>>76351074
>>76351116
>sameflagging this hard

>>76351116
No, he will be remembered as one of the top 3 greatest players of all time. Only Kobe faggots such as yourself will see it differently. How did you become a Lakers fan anyway? Foreign faggots bandwagon the most popular teams. Makes me sick. Almost as bad as American Real Madrid fans.

>>76351064
He'll be remembered as great but no where near the GOAT. Jordan and Kobe have that extra magic sauce. Bron is lacking something. He looks good on paper, idk tho, he's not cut from the same material as the true GOATS. It's very noticeable.

>>76351158
Kobe will never be thought of as GOAT contention. 1 MVP, was only best player for two championships, never shot especially great from the floor, wasn't an all time great playmaker. Just look at his career stats and accolades and aside from muh rings they aren't in the same world as Jordan, Magic, Kareem, Wilt, Russell, LeBron, Bird, etc.

>>76351143
If he doesn't win this, he's off the top 10. No sane person will put anyone who has a 3/8 finals winning clip on there.

>>76351180
Stop wanking with the statsheet, LeDicksucker.

>>76351189
>4 mvp
>3 championships
>3 FMVP (more than Kobe LMAO)
>11x NBA first team

If LeBron played with prime Shaq he'd have a lot of rings too lol.

So lebron is undisputed top 10 all time right now, and if he loses he drops out? What? That makes no fucking sense. Your legacy can't get worse, you can't move down the list, that makes no fucking sense. Kobe fans are so delusional. I'd be surprised if you even really watched basketball. Pro tip, no fucking way in hell does Kobe beat this Warriors team in 2009 and 2010.

>>76350806
Also if the league and the east specifically was so loaded, why when he left between his run did two different east teams play a team Jordan never met, and both get beat by them? One got swept. The year after his sixth an 8 seed won the east. Then I'm told how great the pacers and heat were some of those years. So by my count you're going to tell me Jordan had 11 viable contenders he btfo out in less than a decade? The much more likely answer is the league was incredibly mediocre in the 90s.

My issue isn't that Jordan wasn't great, it's that the 90s nba was better than now. It's absolutely not.

>>76351204
>1 (ONE) regular season mvp
>2 (TWO) finals mvps
LMAO

>>76351158
Ppl have already forgotten Kobe existed

>>76351225
Also if this is lebrons 14th season and he's made it to the finals 7 times in a row then he's made it half of his seasons which is pretty awesome.

>>76351251
What's a Kobe grandpa?

>>76346015
Neither of those dudes, especially Harden, were the players they are now. Honestpy because of that Finals I give Durant no shit for ring chasing. KG and Lebron really started this super team bullshit and Durant would already have a ring if it weren't for it.

>>76351256
Over half. He made it in 2007 too with a group of scrubs.

>>76351225
Yes, mostly because his legacy consists of moves of taking the easy way out. Wilted to the pressure of carrying the Cavaliers, went to the heat with two All Stars and forced Wade and Bosh to adjust their games according to to his preference because he can't adjust.

Went back to Cavs after the league cockblocked the Lakers from having CP3. While gifting Cleveshit 3 straight 1st overall picks.

>>76351225
It's funny, the warriors shot over 50% from the field while shooting an until recently unfathomable 42 3s, then went 22-24 from the line, and people honestly think any mid range garbage team pre-2010 wouldn't get destroyed. If Kobe replaces LeBron and goes 18-18 they still lose lol.

>>76351180
>aside from muh rings
>3-5
No wonder el BJ groupies don't want the rings brought up. It exposes LeBeta as the choke artist he is.

Not all 3 pointers are just worth 3 points. Not all layups are just worth 2 points. Not every rebound is just a rebound. There are plays that win games and change history. Kobe and Jordan both made the big plays. The ones that gott them those rings. Numbers and stats only tell one very small side of the story. How you rise to the occasion, how you conduct yourself on and off the court. These separate the legends from the LeBrons.

LeChoke went 1/4 in the fourth quarter in G1 and only had 2 pts in the fourth in G2. All while getting blown the fuck out.

>>76351287
>ONE MVP
>TWO FINALS MVPS
>45% SHOOTER
>BEGGED TO BE TRADED AND THEN SAID MUH LOYALTY

LMAO
M
A
O

>>76351231
what the fuck was this post trying to convey? other than the 90s was mediocre meme.

>>76351158
If Kobe is in your top five then I can not even debate you. I can't even rate him in the top ten.

>>76351322
Because you are a stat-babby and don't actually have qualitative analysis to back you up

>>76351300
>2007
>literal nobodies
>2015
>teammates all injured
>2014
>his hof "superstar" teammates average 15/5 and 14/5 while he averages 28/10/5 on 57% shooting and 50% from 3
Don't tell me Kobe wins those series because he doesn't. 2011 LeBron played like shit I'll give you that but Kobe straight up isn't GOOD ENOUGH to win with Heat in 2013 or Cavs last year. Doesn't matter how clutch you are when you're not as talented. 3 of LeBron's 4 finals losses he either had no teammates or they didn't show up. You have a good shot to win rings playing with prime Gasol and it's pretty fucking easy playing with prime SHAQUILLE ONEAL who was straight up better than Kobe and possibly the most dominant force in NBA history. Jordan is the GOAT so no arguments there but don't bring up Kobe as a serious debate. He was never good enough to be in this discussion.

>>76351317
>90s was mediocre
That's all it was trying to convey. It's fine if jordanfags want to say how great he was for his era and that he was better in his time than lebron in his. Comparing eras is kind of dumb. Don't sit here and tell me he played in a better league though.

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>>76351308
Yet he begged to be traded to Chicago and wanted to take the challenge of playing on the the house Jordan built. LeBron cried to his fuckbuddy in Miami

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>>76351322
.

>>76351368
First, Jordan did play in a better league. Second, there is no second bc I need no second.

>>76351372
Why did you post an x-ray of Dennis Rodman's hand?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUc8677iffE

>>76351409
Lol yeah I'm sure Greg Ostertag or Mark West could start on a finals team nowadays

>>76351402
How many titles was he the best player on the team? Oh wait those 2 fmvp trophies tell me.

>>76345646
LOL

the 90s were weak as fuck.

>falling for Nike ad campaigns

>>76351379
>2000 finals
>16 ppg on 36% shooting, didn't even play all 6 games, won game 2 with him playing 9 fucking minutes
>Shaq 38/17 61% (seventeen rebounds per game lmao)

How can he even get any credit for 2000? And then 2001 and 2002 he STILL got his FMVP cucked by Shaq who was a literal god. Put LeBron on that Lakers team and they 5peat you stupid foreign faggot

LMAO

>>76351488
Considering Zaza Pachulia is starting, Yeah Im sure they fucking could. Dumbass.

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>>76351361
>3 of LeBron's 4 finals losses he either had no teammates or
>[insert excuses for LeChoke not closing the deal yet ahain]
>all credit for wins goes to LeBron
>all blame for losses on his teammates
You can try to twist it all you want. Bottom line is Kobe got it done and has as many finals wins as LeBron has loses kek!

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>>76345655
Im an actual warriors fan. Live 12 min from Oracle and I would say no. We know how completely fucking stacked this team is and we love every second of it. Because fuck the NBA. Dubs were below average tier for 2 decades. They drafted so well that they broke the league for 6 or 7 years. We dont care. We dont feel bad.

All that spamming 3-1???? SUCK IT FAGGOT...It was the catalyst for the GOAT team. Pats fans couldn't care less about 18-1 with the way things have turned out.

SUCK IT YOU BUTTHURT FAGGOTS HAHAHAHAHAHA FEEL OUR GIRTH

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>>76351372

>>76351511
He was injured in game 2.

He played a crucial role in 4q/ overtime in Game 4

He led the Lakers to the Win in WCF game 7.

>>76351511
I forgot how useless he was in 2000. Bad enough counting those 3 for this argument but thats just unforgiveable.

>>76351549
Yeah LeBron is responsible for 2007 and 2015. Stupid fuck who doesn't watch basketball just shitposts.

And no, Kobe got it done for 2. Shaq got it done for 3.

Prime Kobe would destroy Prime Lebron one on one.

>>76345110
Jordan never faced a team this good because his team WAS the that team.

>>76351575
Quality isn't measured by numbers, dumbass.

>>76351577
If LeBron got injured for a game the Cavs lose by 50 easily. Face it faggot, Shaq carried Kobe to 3 rings. I don't care how Kobe did in WCF, it's you faggots saying only finals matter. Muh Kobe helped win a single game out of 4. Congrats. Shaq was pivotal in all 4 wins and Kobe was injured for one and Shaq still carried them to a win.

>>76351575
PER is a flawed stat that favors volume scoring. Stephen Curry is far more valuable than almost every guy on that list. The spacing that guy creates with his range makes every offensive player FAR better.

>>76351600
>>76351657
lol the millenials are so mad

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>>76351322
>>76351361
>>76351500
>>76351511
>>76351582
Kobe held his own.

Anyone who claims Lebron is even close to GOAT status is a dumb teenager who never watched Jordan play.

When Jordan played, there was virtually no debate over whether he was the GOAT. Everyone just knew they were watching the GOAT, and they basked in his aura. Night in and night out, he would put the team on his back and do unbelievable shit to win. Lebrown Stains is a freakish roidmonkey who drives the lane and fistfucks the net, but he will never, ever be the GOAT.

>>76345249
>ameristats

>>76351678
Look at finals dickhead. Especially 2000. Since finals are all that matters to you guys.

>>76351700
Finals wins matter. Finals stats don't.

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>>76351700
held his own

No matter how Lebron's numbers have, you simply divide it by his number of Finals losses to see its actual value.

You can't compare the two. Two different decades.

Things you have to consider,
>Social Media/Internet
Lebron is playing in an era with instant news. Every move he makes is criticized by 50% of the country. He has to be particularly careful with his personal relationships. Everything he says is a talking point in the news. Jordan didn't have to deal with any of this. That guy punched teammates, hookers, gambling debts, even kicked out of the league for it, massive marketing by Nike which massively helped his reputation. If you were some kid in L.A., you saw his playoff games and he was this mystical figure. No fucking way he gets that status in todays NBA. He would be crucified for his shit tier attitude and would eventually get the Pete Rose treatment. Another thing was the complete nigger culture that embraced the Bulls. Every gang in the 90s wore bulls gear.

>rules
Jordan played ISO-ball all day. The guy could stop on a dime and rise for a midrange jumper quicker than anyone ive ever seen.(Im 33, was 11 through 14 yrs old when Jordan played, old enough to remember)...That shit wouldn't fly today. The guy was NOT a 3 point shooter..in fact...the forced 1 on 1 play benefited him so much that it hid his terrible 3pt shooting. I can almost guarantee in the modern era, teams would go under every single screen and laugh at his lack of distance shooting. I remember watching the Bulls/Sonics series and wondering why the "genius" phil jackson would run all 4 guys to one side of the court, give jordan the ball on the other side of the court and let him do work. Zone wasn't allowed. How many highlights do you see of Jordan working the pick and roll? Not many I bet.

>>76351679
Obviously he was the best during his time...

but ALL TIME is a very long time. And rules change. Player quality is higher than its ever been...

Answer this...IN EVERY SPORT ON THE PLANET, PLAYER QUALITY HAS IMPROVED OVER TIME. But for some reason, it hasn't in basketball?? With that said...The best player in todays game is vastly superior to the best player in the 70s right? So why wouldnt the best player now be better than a player in the 90s???

Logic wins.

Lebron > Jordan. Im a GSW fan btw...and even I acknowledge he is the best in the game. The games rules just dont allow him a power gap like Jordan had in the 90s.

Quit the hype bro...I saw Jordan play. He wasn't invincible.

>>76351815
>Jordan played ISO-ball all day
You're a cimplete idiot. They ran the Triangle to get Jordan on post isolations and off-ball screen cuts.

>>76351855
You didn't. You only saw him on YouTube highlights because it takes a special kind of dumbass to say MJ just ISO'd

>>76351880
>>76351859
I did faggot...he was a more athletic, more consistent shawn livingston. Deal with it.

>>76351855
>unproven premise
>"logic"

Kek, go back to school retard.

>>76346413
Jordan without Pippen loses to the Pistons and Celtics, all-time teams
>lel how overrated where's my fidget spinner
Everyone under 25 should be hunted down and sterilized.

>>76350678
What is this meme that Curry is going through a divorce? I can't find it anywhere on google

>>76351902
You don't even know how he played in the Triangle.

>>76351361
His numbers were good in 2014 because most of the games were garbage time

>>76351727
wew

>>76351982
..And this is the part of the story that cherry picked stats from LeBeta dick riders do not tell.

WHEN the points are scored is much more important than how many total. A 3 point buzzer beat to win the game looks the same on paper as a 3 point made at the end of the fourth when his team's down 30. LeBron loves to stay pad in garbage time and he has a tendency to pass the ball when it's down to the wire. He just lacks the grit.

>>76351759
didn't read my post at all. Can't expect more from a delusional Kobe fan lol who say all that matters is wins doesn't matter if you contributed or played well

>>76352078
Yeah I guess he didn't make the game saving block against Iggy or the dagger shot with under a minute left in game 7 in 2013 or those daggers in game 5 in 2012 when he had cramps. Dumb kobefag

>>76352055
Finals stats are valued for wins they generated. Most of LeBron's are Generated because he's padded them. He's consciously trying to beat these records so he statpads alot

>>76352109
So why don't you qualify those stats relative to his finals win-loss record? Stats are just quantity, qualify them.

Stats this high over a losing finals record mean nothing

>>76352165
Losing in the finals is no different than losing in any other round. Who gives a fuck when you lose? A loss is a loss. Kobe played 17 years. He lost 12 times. Losses don't matter. Wins matter. He won 5 times. In those 5 times, only 2 are credited to him with arguably the most important award in the NBA, the Finals MVP. LeBron won 3 times, and all 3 are credited to him. 3 > 2 you stupid fucker. Not to mention the 2013 Spurs and 2016 Warriors are much better than the oldtics and the baby Dwight magic. Anyone who counts finals losses as a real stat is a fucking idiot who thinks losing in the finals is worse than not making the playoffs (which happened to Kobe IN HIS PRIME lmaoooo)

>>76352230
So why do both the teams you underrate able to whoop Lebron's ass and not the Lakers

>>76352095
>who say all that matters is wins doesn't matter if you contributed or played well
We're taking about GOATs. Winning is the mark of a GOAT. LeBron is not a GOAT bc he doesn't win frequently enough despite possessing the abilities to.

I dont kno how many times it needs to be said for you el BJ groupies to understand. He doesn't rise to the occasion. It would actually be better fir his legacy if he contributed less but still found a way to get the chip, either by getting his teammates more involved or whatever he needs to do to get it done. If he puts up 20 pts a game and gets the chip it would be better than averaging a triple double and still losing as a team.

Basketball is a team sport with the objective of WINNING. Winning=the entire point of playing the game. personally smashing scoring records while still losing the big games just makes you a good scorer,". it proves you're not GOAT tho.

Put it this way, if LeBron shot every one of his team's attempts he could probably score 80+ a game but he would still lose. Then you would look at his stats and say "he scored 80 points! What more can he do?!? His teammates didn't score any!!! It's not his fault he had no help!"

You see how stupid that sounds?
Find a way to win and get GOAT status. Stat pad and lose often enough and you're and you're shot at GOAT is over.

>>76352264
Because LeBron's teammates were shit and Kobe had great teammates. Are you stupid? When LeBron left the cavs won 19 games. Please watch the sport.

>>76352300
3 FMVP is better than 2 buddy, Kobe was carried to 3 rings. You think LeBron could have sat back and had Mo Williams win him a title in 2010 or Dwyane "15ppg" Wade win in 2014, or Matthew Delevadova in 2015? If he had prime Shaq he WOULD have won. Put his 2007, 2014 and 2015 losses into context you dumb shit. I'm not saying LeBron is the GOAT. I'm saying Kobe is lower than LeBron.

>>76352390
So again, if they win LeBron makes them better, and when they lose they're shit. Pick one.

>>76352430
They are shit and LeBron makes them better. That's why Williams was an all star in 2009. He makes them slightly less shit, but they are still shit and you can't expect to win with shit. Kobe didn't even make the playoffs with shit.

>>76352442
thats because the western conference is actually difficult

>>76351102
Lol no, March madness was much better this year

What was his statline?

>>76351700
didnt kobe actually average better numbers then shaq in the playoffs? but just slightly worse then shaq in the finals?

>>76352460
Lakers had 34 wins lol muh western conference

>>76352475
16ppg on 34% shooting in 2000 finals and was injured game 2 and Lakers on anyway. Shaq averaged 38/17 on 60%. Next year Kobe was around 25 on 41% and Shaq 33/16. Shaq was a fucking beast. 2002 was a lot closer but Shaq slightly outperformed Kobe.

You guys only talk about finals so what they did in previous rounds is irrelevant (Though Shaq was still easily better in 2000)

>>76352486
>comparing 37 yr old kobe after career ending injury in the west to prime lebron in the eastern conference

>>76352559
Kobe was 25 buddy. Last time LeBron missed the playoffs he was what, 20?

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>>76350748
have you been redpilled on mj yet /sp/?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M-KCulzJqg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmlfiMDUTQ4

>>76345249
He has already played more games and seasons than Jordan. So it will take him an extra 3-5 years to pass Jordan? Who cares.

>>76352811
This video is the biggest redpill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM_eCnTNt1Q