Do they belong in the same tier as Real Madrid,Barcelona

>>76236832
The question is 'Did they' not 'Do they' and the answer is no

>Bayern Munich

Man Utd are ahead.

It goes like this.

Real Madrid
Barcelona
Manchester United
AC Milan
Bayern Munich / Juventus (can't pick)

lel no and Buyern doesn't either
It's Real - Barca then a big powegap and then Buyern and others

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40093720

No. They are like 4th or 5th tier team currently.

>>76236832
Real Madrid > AC Milan > Liverpool >>> power gap

>>76236832
Historically, they're Juventus-tier. Dominated their domestic league but can't really get it done in Europe. But today they're not even one of the top 15 clubs in Europe.

only if they have another 20 year stretch where they dominate like they did under ferguson and win at least 3 champions leagues in that period

Neither Barca nor Bayern nor ManU are in the same tier as Real
Barca and ManU were nothing before the mid 2000s
Bayer play in meme league, they go into separate tier with Ajax

Real
Milan
Liverpool
Juve
Bayern/Ajax
Inter/Barca/ManU

>>76236832
>real madrid
>barcelona
>same tier

not even in all time top 10

uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/club/

>>76236953
>Manchester United nothing before mid 2000s
>90s didn't exist
>50-60s didn't exist

Real Madrid / Milan
Liverpool / Bayern Munich / Man United / Ajax
Juventus / Inter Milan / Benfica / Porto / Barcelona
-- POWER GAP --
Chelsea / Dortmund and other shit-tier

>>76236984
Not for Farcelona gloryhunters and Manure bandwagoners

>>76236985
>all time
>france and football

>>76236832
they belong on the same tier as everton and >schalke

Manchester Utd Logic

>Utd are and always will be the biggest top 3 teams in world football because of our history

Also Utd fan logic

>Liverpool fans living in the past La fucking top kek

>>76237050

THIS

The only thing United has now is a gorillion of pounds to waste

>>76237044
>no porto team in top 10
very accurate

>>76237017
>90s
Dominated their shit league but did nothing in Europe, even in 99 they were minnows on the european stage
>50s and 60s
Nothing compared to Real, Benfica, Inter and Milan

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pic related is all time since 1992. United is 4th

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real all time.

>>76237050
Except it was like 10 years ago that United were one of the best and they were winning stuff up until Ferguson left 4 years ago. Meanwhile it's 30 for Liverpool.

They both have a claim to be called some of the biggest teams in history of the game though to be fair.

>>76236985
>#2-5 are all closer to each other than #1

MIND THE GAP LA

link for the autists
http://it.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/EuroExperience/competitions/Publications/02/28/56/90/2285690_DOWNLOAD.pdf

>>76237108

So what the cutoff point?

>Real and Barca
>shittest 'top league' in Europe
>stroll to victory against shite teams every weekend
>put all their energy into winning European cups
>lel we're the best teams ever

They have such an advantage for European competitions it's ridiculous.

>>76236985
>>76237140
the complete state of fifa rankings, even worst than coca cola vs eol

>>76237146
I don't think there is one if you're talking about all time greats.

Ajax would have to be on that list but they haven't done anything of note recently, for instance.

Real Madrid


Milan
Bayern
Barcelona


Liverpool

>3 champions leagues

lmao. they are not even remotely close to real madrid. they had a better team than real madrid from about 2008-2011, but other than that every single Real Madrid team that has ever existed has been comprehensively better.

>>76236985
That's not all time though you dumb frog.

Real Madrid will probably reach 20 champions leagues before United reaches 5, comparing both teams is absurd

>>76236832
>same tier
>Real Madrid,Barcelona and FC Bayern Munich
lmao one of these three teams has never won a treble, not even with ''''''''''''''lucky''''''''''''' draws and the government and justice helping them

>>76237155
>have to compete with another top 2 team in the world for the league title ever year
>this is obviously easier than beating wonga and lesta to the title
>mid and lower table spanish teams are worse then the eplel ones, despite all evidence pointing to the contrary

>>76237155
Manure dominated the shittiest "top" league in europe in the 90s and couldnt do shit in the CL

>>76236985
>uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/club/
That´s only for the last five years.

>>76237216
This.

>>76237100
Milan has 7 trophies but is under Bayern (5), Barcelona(5) and Manchester(3). Something is wrong.

>>76237248
Forget Copa del Rey, winning Alaves means nothing.

>>76237248
R-r-refball, mano negra, r-r-r-igged leage

Fuck off jordi

Reminder Forest has more European trophies than Manchester City. AC Milan are not a big club right now despite what they did two decades ago.

>>76237378
I think it's ordered by points, last but one column

English clubs in europe ranking
Liverpool

Manchester United

Nothingham Forest
Chelsea

Aston Villa


Tottenham


Arsenal

City
Everton

>>76237454
It's a rigged points system, Milan deserves the second place.

>buyern munich
>elite

dipshit filipino

>>76237504
I agree >>76237022
I guess it's a simple algorithm, 2 points for win 1 point for draw

>>76237568
Which is kind of stupid, what should matter is whether or not you won the damn thing.

>>76237542
>Yank showing he knows nothing about football history

Checks out.

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>>76237476
>muh 'istreh

Let's limit it to cup competitions that still exist at least.

>>76237649
why not limit it to just last year? or current coaches?

>>76237414
Its obviously true though if you you watch LA Liga. Except recently I've seen refball go Barcas way. The gov probably finally realised they can make the same money when barca win.

>>76237665
Current coaches maybe.

But last year is no good. There's no way that Leicester can be ranked higher in Europe than Chelsea, for example. Even Super Depor should be ranked higher than Leicester. You need at least a 5 year sample.

>>76237693
The gov try to please the independentists by letting barça winning the league.

The truth is that no other club is on Real Madrid's level.

>>76237248
>b-but muh treble
>muh conspiracies

>all the "muh history" fags in this thread

Nobody gives a shit about AC Milan anymore.

Right now the only relevant ranking is:

Real Madrid
Juve
Barca
Bayern
Chelsea
PSG

>>76236832
>litterally celebrating a treble consisting in the 3 most irrelevant trophies they can win
No, they are in the same tier as Arsenal or PSG

>>76238169
Top 5 is easily:
Real Madrid
Barça
Bayern
Atleti
Juve

The rest is irrelevant

>muh age of Rooney
Liverpool was and is better

>>76236832
In terms of money and revenue, Man Utd is probably the biggest club in the world

In terms of trophies, they are not even top 5

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>win 2 leagues in 8 years
>need ''''''''''''''''lucky''''''''''''''''' draws in cl
>major refballing in spain
>legal and media harrassment of competitors
>still can't manage to win a treble
>history of major government backing during 40 year dictatorship
oh wow it's true halal is on another level than the rest of those clubs, I wonder what someone like ferguson thinks about them

>>76238219
>atleti

>>76238219
>Atleti
oh hey guys we got to the final once :D

cabron

> plastic "fans" from Asia
> get blatant refball in their home competitions every time they need it
> the media only cares about them and ignores the rest of the clubs
> their players are more concerned about their new look on Instagram than the club's glory
> they are among the main reasons behind the death of traditional football
> their top officials are rich cunts, if not straight criminals, who don't give a crap about the game

Yes, they definitely belong in the same tier.

>>76237453
>Two decades
2007 was ten years ago. Milan isn't currently a good team. But it's the biggest club in the world after Real Madrid.

>>76238295
>Last 4 CL (Atleti):
Semifinal-Final-Quarterfinal-Final
>Last 4 CL (Bayern):
Quarterfinal-Semifinal-Semifinal-Semifinal
>Last 4 CL (Real Madrid):
Final/Champion-Champion-Semifinal-Champion
>Last 4 CL (Barça):
Quarterfinal-Quarterfinal-Champion-Quarterfinal
>Last 4 CL (Juve):
Final/Champion-1/16-Final-Group Stage

Real Madrid > Atleti > Bayern > Barça > Juve

>>76237082
No man city?

>>76238336
Twice, in 3 years

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>>76238281
and let's not forget
>sign record transfers using bank that then had to be rescued by the tax payer, bankia, while halal hadn't paid their loans back
>during the bank rescue process, sign another record transfer using another loan from the same rescued bank
>plenty of halal board members had access to 'black credit cards' of the rescued bankia, with access to unlimited funds that were paid by tax payers and not the credit card users
>player literally commits murder dui accident, gets sweep under the rug and doesn't get a single day in prison and is now playing in chelsea (marcos alonso)
>star player commits major tax fraud, judge threatens newspaper editors with jail time if they report it, while any legal documents pertaining to barcelona players are routinely leaked to the press by members of spanish justice
>none of these stories are reported by major spanish media outlets
and there's more...

Barca were unironically Arsenal tier before the 2000s.

Real Madrid have pretty much never gone through a WOAT spell.

>>76238407
Why would Buyern be above Barca or Juve who have made it to finals

>>76238458
not really, barca had some european success before 2000 and won far more domestically as well.

>>76238471
They arent called madridiots for nothing

United is the first club in the world to be worth over 3 billion dollars.

As of right now we are the biggest club in the world.

So ya. They belong in the top tier.

The EPL is the most competitive league in the world so they won't be winning as many titles as the other top 5 clubs.

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>>76236832

>>76236832
They are in the City/PSG/Real Madrid tier

Nowhere near Bayern and Barcelona

>>76238458
>Barca were unironically Arsenal tier before the 2000s.

Dumbest comment on /sp/ today.

>>76238741
>The EPL is the most competitive league in the world

That's actually the brazilian league

>>76238458
real madrid went 32 years without winning the european cup. 1966-1998

They did win a shit ton of league titles tho. Particularly in the 80s

>>76238905
Even Parma was bigger than Farsa in the 90s

>>76236832
Obviously not currently on the quality of >our team and play, but that will be fixed within the next few years and we'll be back in the elite 5-6 teams of european football, there's alot of deadwood in the squad and 3 or 4 different managers types of players all clusterfucked together, so once mou gets rid of the ones he don't want and buys whoever he wants with the unlimited budget there will be alot more stability and things will come together, i still consider the club going through transition currently cause of the amount of managers and each one's different players brought in despite money spent, what we need is to keep mou for years and let him build what he wants. As long as we are in the champions league we can attract the same level of player as real and barca

>>76239172
>non deluded man united fan on /sp/

RARE

>>76236907
This to be honest.

>>76236832
They belong in the same tier as Arselel and Hoffenheim

>>76238414
who the fuck is that?

>>76238420
>and there's more
>doesn't post again

Shit did Halal's Secret Sharia Police get Spain bro?

>>76238984
he meant the first world

>>76239033
>Ham bigger than Barca

What planet are you living on? Barcelona dominated la liga in the early 90s and won the champions league in 92.

What the fuck did Parma do?

european tier ranking is solely based on european cups.

united are level with inter and only one above porto, benfica and nottingham forest.

meme club.

>>76239437
>Nottingham forest is bigger than arsenal

League titles, number of fans, how much is the club worth etc also matter

1. Real Madrid
2. Manchester United
3. Barcelona
4. Bayern
5. Liverpool
6. Juventus
7. AC Milan
8. Inter
9. Arsenal
10. Ajax

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>>76238281
Franco did way more for Barça than he ever did for Madrid. For example, he gave them the Camp Nou and sent him minister of sports to personally sign Kubala for them.
Real Madrid (or Madrid FC) was a republican side during the Republic and didn't have any success in the early years of Franco's regime despite having been the club that won the most during the II Republic. It was only when Real started to win European Cups that Franco (that was a supporter of Atlético Aviación, the team of the army; and of his local club Ferrol) started to get close to Real for propaganda.

>>76238420
and let's not forget all presidents Barça has had since the 70s have been condemned for different causes, mostly tax fraud.

tl;dr you're full of shit, Barcelona has a culture of whining and making up lies to cope with them still being miles away from Madrid's achievements.

>>76239489
>number of fans, how much is the club worth etc also matter

no they don't. no one cares about how many shoeless africans crowd into a bar made of corrugated iron with an open sewer running through it and huddle round a laptop from 2005 to watch a flash stream of united vs midtjylland.

>>76238905
You didn't read this post then>>76238893 which I assume was you

90% of Barca's history came in the Messi era. If you would put them in your top 5 twelve years ago people would laugh at you. To even suggest they're bigger than Real Madrid is laughable.

>>76239567
>fans don't help to dictate the size of a club
lmao

>>76239637
They really don't

>>76239637
Japan's obsession with fish and seafood means they're very adept with bait m8

>>76239421
>What the fuck did Parma do
Get pillaged by bigger teams

>>76239421
Bought a Ballon d'Or winner from Barca

>>76237248
a treble isn't a trophy you dongus, no matter how many mental gymnastics do you make. Besides, if Madrid wins 2 CL in a row, will you shut up with "muh treble" argument for ever?

>>76239754
>a treble isn't a trophy
Correct. It's three

>>76236953
Enjoying your school holidays?

>>76239003
They also won the UEFA Cup back when you met AC Milan, Juve and Roma if some meme team like Cagliari or Napoli had won the league.

>>76239489
Why do you rank them by popularity alone then?

>>76240153
Stunning argument bruv

>>76236832

This >>76236953

It's not even a matter of debate but of having basic football knowledge.

>>76239003

Uefa Cup in the 80s-early 90s was tougher than the European Cup desu

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yeah they just won a treble and secured CL football

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>>76236985

tfw >Schalke are above your team

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>>76236985
>eplel

>>76238169

"muh history" provides the actual unbiased perspective, you faggot.

Otherwise even Lester>ManUtd objectively over the last 2 years.

>>76237082

>19-0
>new contract

>>76243059
>history
>provides actual unbiased perspective
ayy

>>76243059

United won the treble this season while Leatah have won one trophy.

>>76238281
Lmao
>Barça awarded Franco with 2 golden medals for saving the club and gifting them the land for their stadiums.
>Barça won more my titles than anyone during Franco reign
The propaganda efforts of Barça for bleaching his history and Making RM the Evil Guy have no equal in any sport organización.

>>76243153

There are 2 trophies that matter and Utd won none of those and Lesta at least won one of those in addition to being the only EPL club to reach the CL quarters this season.

>>76243097

It does. For instance, up until 2005 Steaua Bucharest > El Farsa, objectively speaking.

>>76237146
There is no cutoff point. Only bitter fans of opposing teams trying to discredit the achievements of their rivals.

>>76243153
Leicester didn't win anything this season

>>76236863
Fuck off, you saw how well Bayern played with Lewy at Bernabeu. If they had Lewy at home and the Real home game wasn't the most disgustingly poorly ref'd UCL knockout game in years, Bayern probably would've gone through...


Then lost to Atleti again

>>76236857

>man utd are ahead

Man utd 3 CL
Ajax 4 Cl
Bayern 5 CL

And unlike Ajax and Bayern, Man Utd has never been the dominant power in Europe.

>>76243153
>treble

>>76236832
unironically smaller than Liverpool

Manchester United are the biggest embarrassment to English football right now. A pathetic club with no aspirations being done 10 for 2 has more hobos than one celebrating the Europa League.