LeBron vs Jordan Why don't people take into account the

>>76103602
>skipped out on two years of his prime to play baseball?
Well it was either that or it was face a suspension from the NBA. Bowing out made more sense for his brand.

>>76103602
If Jordan had played in today's league without Pippen and the Worm with today's rules and getting called for his push offs and travels that even LeBron gets called for, the debate between LeBron and Jordan would not exist.

MJ would just be another Kobe. In fact, Kobe was actually better than MJ.

>>76103602
The Debate between LeBron and Jordan doesn't exist. It's a media talking point to eke out as much juice from their failed corporate mascot as they can. All the 14 year olds who watch First Take come on here and spout he's the best.

People just don't get that Jordan wasn't considered the GOAT because of X-amount of rings. Magic had rings, Bird had rings. Jordan is considered GOAT because of his on and off court charisma and personality, his killer intensity and effortless destruction of his opponents. LeBron is a boring unlikeable chump, a loser and bum who personifies many awful qualities of modern sports and modern society, a rudderless fatherless scumbag who was roundly rejected by the public despite his corporate backers forcing him down everybody's throats.

LeBron has always been Them, a spoiled rotten brat, whereas Jordan was a folk hero well before ascending to corporate Godhood. The fact that LeBron is still in his shadow underscores how he's completely lacking in character or personality.

>>76103700
LeBron never gets called for travels and neither would Jordan.

Also, Jordan would benefit from no hand checking rule.

>>76103602

if Jordan could have won 2 more rings, then he should have done so and asserted his dominance as the greatest player ever.

it's not Lebron's fault Jordan was so afraid of losing he took his ball home and said he wasn't gonna play anymore

>>76103651
>face a suspension from the NBA

Epic meme. If LeBron isn't getting busted for steroids then Jordan was never getting suspended for anything.

jordan was electric to watch. he dominated games like lebron, but without bron's physical dominance, rather through sheer skill and will to succeed.

if you weren't around at the time you couldn't understand how the dude had this magnetic charisma on the court that no one else did, and it felt like it was this rather than anything else that set him apart.

it's kinda like the difference between messi and ronaldo in football. yes, ronaldo is a GOAT - he works hard, is physically supreme and wins trophies. but watching messi is fucking magical, and watching ronaldo isn't.

>>76103877
This.

Plus, he was extremely cool, almost always the smartest man on the court, and had a ton of dignity and poise and control. Nothing you could possibly say about LeBron, who is a fucking uncool stupid ape who spazzes out on everybody like a fucking child. Jordan was a man.

>>76103700
Jordan and LeBron both rank higher than MJ.

>1 MVP

Come on now

>>76104095
than Kobe*

>>76103602

I'm starting to notice that a lot of these Jordan vs LeBron threads are started by anons that prefer Jordan over LeBron

Really makes you think...

>>76103877
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>>76103754
Wow.
>When anon gets it right in one sentence but he keeps going

>>76103602

>Jordan skipped out on two years of his prime to play baseball

why the fuck would you do this

can you imagine messi or ronaldo skipping two years during their prime to play cricket or rugby or something

jesus christ

i assume this has something to do with americans thinking that "athleticism" is the only thing that makes you good at a sport - any sport

Kobe > MJ >>>>>>>> Lebeta.

>>76103602
you don't get credit for what ifs

>>76104220
david stern forced him out of the league temporarily so he wouldn't have to publicly announce that he was suspended for gambling. just goes to show how jewy and scummy basketball is compared to baseball. the greatest hitter in MLB history will never get into the hall of fame because he gambled. whereas michael jordan is still revered as a god.

>>76104385

oh so it was either do nothing or play another sport

>>76104419

no that's just a meme.

The real reason jordan quit was because he felt there was nothing left to prove and that he could just win every year and was bored with basketball. He also had an insane ego so probably thought he could just succeed at anything.

he then later realized basketball was the only thing he was good at and came back

>>76103754
best post in this thread
damn

>>76104554
how far down your throat is jordan's dick? he wasn't retarded, he had an ego but he didn't think he could make the fucking white sox.

>>76104716
Why not? Bo Jackson did it, deion Sanders did it. He probably figured why not me too? Am I not the goat of goats? Am I not the man who made formal sneakers a thing?

>>76103761
Do you really think a rule set more friendly to bully ball would do anything other than benefit a Lebron James type player? We aren't even just talking about how it affects his offensive capabilities. The same rules that you claim made it so much harder to score are the same rules that would make Lebron so much more of a dominant on ball defender.

These kind of debates deserve so much more than the repetitive deluge of one liners.
>much hand checks

get a grip

>>76104950
they're basketball sneakers, not baseball cleats. jackson had 28 home runs and 70 RBI in college baseball, jordan hadn't played since high school and never even made it to the highest level of the minor leagues. pro athletes know their limits.

>>76105130
You misunderstood me. It wasn't a good decision, but his ego was big enough to do it because he was beyond a pro athlete he was a cultural icon and iconoclast doing things that had never been done B4. It's not that much of a leap for me to see that he did this with earnestness. Everybody said he worked really hard at it and supposedly it was always a plan of him and his dad's. His dad always wanted him to play baseball and he did it after his dad died. It was cathartic for him.

>>76105272
no i understand you perfectly, i understand that you don't know anything about michael jordan and now you're trying to change your argument because you're fucking dumb. his ego was based on his skill in basketball. the way he treated his opponents doesn't reflect his everyday demeanor. unless someone is as stupid as you are, they don't quit their job at the peak of their abilities to do something they're not good at.

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STOP POSTING AMERICAN THREADS

>>76105393
I mean I watched Jordan Rides the Bus. Where are your sources on this period of his life?

>>76105429
Fuck off joao there's 13 divegrass threads and remember this is an American English language anime image site go found your own if you don't like our sports.

>>76105435
congratulations, you watched a jewish documentary from a jewish network about a jewish basketball league. there was obviously no bias there. my sources are that i wasn't sucking on my mom's titties when jordan was in the NBA.

>>76103651
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/131997-mjs-1st-retirement-was-it-a-secret-suspension

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>>76104221
Ma nigga. Kobr goat

>>76103602
>Why don't people take into account the fact that Jordan skipped out on two years of his prime to play baseball? The guy would most likely have 8 rings if he played with the Bulls the whole time.

So the dude took a 2 year pause to cover the tracks and play some luckswing, so what, how is that relevant to his basketball achievements?

>>76103776
completely different problems in 2 completely different time periods.

Lebron is much more valuable to the nba than jordan was, even though jordan/the bulls were much better than lebron's ever been

>>76103761
Hand-checking was banned in 1979.

>>76105479
something is happening, you're cluttering the space. please go to /asp/

>>76103776
It's not a meme. Jordan was suspended for gambling.

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>>76105574
Fuck off divegrass shill.

There is no debate if you're talking about rings.

6>3.

>>76105703
You are right. Bill Russell is the greatest basketball player of all time.

>>76105804
no ones comparing bill russell to either bron or jordan, so irrelevant. 6 is still greater than 3

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>>76103700
>In fact, Kobe was actually better than MJ.

I bet most of you jackasses don't even know MJ quit basketball because he didn't want David Stern to investigate his gambling and ties to the mob.

Stern was going to investigate.

Jordan quit.

Jordan came back to falling NBA rating couple of years later.

Investigation never mentioned again.

>>76105847

Actually, every time some idiot writes GOAT in regard to Jordan, they are. And they're wrong and announcing themselves to be so ignorant they needn't be listened to.

>>76105500
>Jew memeing as a 30+ year old man. Sad
>>76105503
Three problems with the theory
>1 the league obviously didn't care about gambling in general in light of Charles Barkley's exploits so mj would have had to have been betting on/throwing bulls games in specific to get such a treatment and I don't see him betting against himself or legacy
>2 in order for stern to cut such a deal the owners would all have to have been in on it and I don't see proud franchise owners of Celtics/Lakers/pistons going along with that
>3 the referee gamblers in the league would have known about Jordan being a high roller who cut a deal with the commissioner and would've squealed in the tell all books.

>>76105847
What do you mean "nobody is comparing bill russell to either bron or jordan"? I am doing it right now. They all three have statistically great careers, they all three are either hall of famers and they all three have multiple championships. Why can't I compare Jordan to Russell or Russell to James? Can I not compare Kareem to Jordan? What are you metrics for a justified comparison?

>>76105926
>>I don't see him betting against himself or legacy
>what is point shaving

>>76106020
Yeah but that doesn't disprove the other things I said. Gambling culture was so pervasive in the league at the time theres no way he was making those bets without other players like Barkley and the crooked refs finding out through rumor in the gambling culture. And there is no way highly competitive owners let their commish make that deal.

Reminder that Kobe is literally MJ but worse at everything

>>76105936
cause this is a fucking bron vs jordan thread you autist. Bringing in another player into discussion changes the entire dynamic of the argument/debate. The metrics for a justified comparison is context, hence a Bron vs jordan thread and a "6>3" rings argument

>i am doing it right now
good go start your a new thread comparing all 3 of them against each other. No ones talking about russell here

>>76105936
I'm literally agreeing with you that Jordan is better than James. I'm also saying that Russell is better than Jordan. If you think it is irrelevant then don't respond to me.

You are responding though, because you know the implication shows how fucking retarded the "6>3 end of story, nothing else matters" argument is.

You are literally admitting you think Russell>Jordan. Otherwise, your argument that Jordan>James needs expounding.

Tldr; Do you think championships are the only thing that matters in this comparison?

>>76106305
This was meant for
>>76106141

>>76106066
>Gambling culture was so pervasive in the league at the time theres no way he was making those bets without other players like Barkley and the crooked refs finding out through rumor in the gambling culture.
fair nuff fenpam

>>76106305
it doesn't need expounding because this topic of this thread is very specific, so when someone says 6>3 in relation to lebron and jordan, they would know the details and the context going along with it. that is, obviously, assuming they actually know something about both, and aren't retardedly trying to argue for a player purely based on preference.

the same argument can't be made for russell, because of the details and context of the league, his team, and the era he played in. ALL OF COURSE, in relation to comparing him to jordan and/or lebron.

obviously no one who isn't retarded thinks rings are all that matters, there are plenty of irrelevant players who have multiple rings over HOF caliber players who have won 0. That doesn't matter though, because you aren't arguing >literal who vs Charles barkley. The context and the details of their accomplishments and careers make those arguments futile. BUT in this case, when looking at jordan and lebron , it's an argument that has weight to it.

It's called fucking context dude. i dont know how many times i have to say it. The context of a jordan vs lebron comparison, allows for the use of 6>3 as an actual debating point.

>you know the implication shows how fucking retarded the "6>3 end of story, nothing else matters" argument is.

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the only reason you are having problems understanding this is because either; a) you're assuming the amount of weight put behind the specific argument of 6>3; or b) you actually don't know alot about basketball and about jordan and bron specifically, so your being a casual seeing the "6>3" and then blabbering about how there are players with more rings and are thus better.

>>76103754
>LeBron is a boring unlikeable chump, a loser and bum who personifies many awful qualities of modern sports and modern society, a rudderless fatherless scumbag who was roundly rejected by the public despite his corporate backers forcing him down everybody's throats.
Am I in 2007?

>>76104113
midkek

>>76106820
>Implying the passage of time makes this untrue.

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>>76106991
You're right. This crowd looks super angry, too.

You think Jordan is a Big Baller?

>>76107026
>L-look
>The thirstiest fans in America love the guy that got them an chip
Whattta surprise. They look like a bunch of Tina Turners to me.

>>76107053
That's China, m8.

>>76107053
the amount of gooks in that pic leads me to believe it wasn't taken in da land

>>76103602

Hakeem would have beaten, Jordan

Kareem is easily the GOAT and I can't believe how many people fell for nike's propaganda

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>>76107085
That makes it worse, they're just excited to see any tall nigger. It explains nothing.

>>76107133
I feel like this would make no sense, but I also can't disprove it.

>>76107209
It's a known fact that Asians find blacks to be exciting novelties and treat them like dancing monkey's. They are also racist as hell against everyone to the extent that they know bantz about people they've had little to no contact with. For example I knew a Chinese national who would bantz on dutch for being cheap.

>>76107267
>It's a known fact that Asians find blacks to be exciting novelties and treat them like dancing monkey's
I knew that. I was thinking more if you put any black guy in an Asian country (like even a manlet), would he get the same traveling circus treatment?

>>76106815
I think I see where we lost touch here. I do not know if you intended it this way, but the statement "There is no debate if you're talking rings." seems to imply the most important context is rings.

If I were to make the statement "There is no debate if we are talking assists per game, 7>5.3", would that, given the context you keep mentioning, be a valid argument to you?

If all this context is implied, then why have anything in this thread other than statements proclaiming what we think are the most important factors in the comparison.

I am absolutely assuming the amount of weight put behind the 6>3 argument, because you said there is no debate given that stipulation. I don't understand why you would even type that if you don't put more weight in that argument.

As far as what I know about basketball, I've been watching since '05 so at the very least I know all about LeBron's career.

>>76107314
If he was remotely famous, sure. Another thing, I bet you Jeremy Lin and Yao Ming kind pull similar crowds. A Chinese crowd going ape shit is not a good reflection of talent OR mass appeal as I feel that their standards are low and it isn't difficult to whip up a sizeable crowd in a country of a billion people.

>>76107372
Fair enough. I'm still not buying that Bron is still nationally or globally-hated, though.

>>76107404
Nationally, everybody outside the land and okc (cuz warriors hate) internationally he's more of a who? To casuals and I'm not really sure how die hard international basketball fans think of him. He definitely hasn't broken into the mj icon strata yet. Probably not Kobe yet either. Especially when divegrass has two legends going at it for immortality right now, that takes a lot of oxygen out of the room for other sports stars. Just look at this board and look how many flag posters post anything NBA. They don't give a flying fuck about lebrick. It's not hate it's absolute apathy.

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>>76105429
> Eurofag being faggy in an excellent thread

Lol, imagine if LeBron retired after the Heat beat the Spurs in the 2013 Finals... he'd get crucified. He doesn't deserve legacy points for quiting.

>>76107508
I'm not sure I believe that. I can't speak about outside of the us, but I have very few friends that actually watch sports, but I'm into it enough that I start trying to talk about it with people and sometimes forget they don't even watch sports. I can't recall anyone who hasn't heard of LeBron James and a good amount of these people are also aware that he is a great NBA player.

>>76107574
I was in Spain last year with a family who was very much into sports especially baseball/softball and they didn't know Steph curry or LeBron James, or that the WCF was going on and that the warriors (at the time) were completing the greatest post season comeback in basketball history. You know why? Messi vs. Tsu and the prospects of the champions cup. Etc. Again, idk what hardcore basketball fans think but I do know a family who was into American sports and had a hoop in their backyard didn't give a fuck cuz of how NBA post season matches up with international soccer.

Hakeem Olajuwon would have something to say about that

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>>76103776
>Epic meme. If LeBron isn't getting busted for steroids then Jordan was never getting suspended for anything.
not a meme, jordan's gambling issues are well documented. It was getting pretty bad in 93, SI was going to run an expose on it, and asked the NBA for a responce prior to running with it. David Stern freaked out, as Jordan was hands down the face of the NBA, and he pulled the SI reporter into a sitdown meeting with his editor, and had the story quietly squashed.

Then he had Jordan "take a break" playing baseball as sort of a "secret" suspension. It was basically a probationary period for MJ to get his gambling issues under control and protect his brand.

Rumors have floated around for years about this.

>>76103754
this is part of it

still good post.

>>76107764
Nah dude, they're just rumors nothing more. It's a meme. See
>>76106066

>>76107819
Oh okay. This whole time I wasn't seeing that post. Now I see it and I understand everything.

>>76103602
t. underage retard

He got btfo by shaq in 95, dont talk about shit you didn't watch, trying to fit in, fucking pussy

>>76107339
>the statement "There is no debate if you're talking rings." seems to imply the most important context is rings.

good thing i never said that

>>76103754
None of that is relevant. The debate is about which one is a better basketball player. As in who does things better on the basketball court. This is a debate because Michael Jordan was the most dominant player of his period and LeBron is the most dominant player of his period.

I'm not arguing for one or the other, but it is definitely debatable. Have fun with your hyperboles though.

>>76107912
Then what the fuck do you bring to the discussion with your post?

>hur dur 6 is a higher number than 3

>>76107905
>He got btfo by shaq in 95, dont talk about shit you didn't watch, trying to fit in, fucking pussy

no, he got BTFO because he was rusty. That wasn't the "real" jordan, he only played like 30 games that year. Look at what jordan did to a BETTER Magic team the next year, swept them.

>>76103602

He literally played and lost to the Magic that the Rockets swept. Look at the stats for the series. There was no "chemistry" issue or "wasn't ready to come back yet" issue. They were top tier and still lost.

>>76107971
>th-that wasn't the REAL jordan
fuck off, was the REAL jordan the one who got btfo in the second round every year pre pippen?

reminder that PIPPEN made the ECF without jordan and only lost because of refball

>>76107971

Look at the stats dumbfuck. He wasn't rusty at all. You're fucking stupid and underage.

>>76107961
literally nothing, i was responding to your post about a completely different player who you were bringing up.

what did you bring to the dicussion by bringing a completely irrelvant player into the discussion?? Some decrepit attempt at counter arguing the point of 6>3??

Jordan would have 8 peated and had the highest career points if it weren't for his first retirement.
LeBron left the Cavs and Heat for rings. Jordan stayed with the Bulls to 3-peat twice. If you honestly think Jordan is worse than LeBron you're a idiot. LeCuck fans always forget that Bill Russell, Wilt, Bird, Magic, Jordan, and Kobe exist.

>>76108017
Your declaration that 6 is more than 3 was in the thread before I typed a single word.

I was clearly responding to your pointless post with sarcasm. What fucking idiot thinks Russell is better than Jordan?

>>76108086
>le couldn't win shit until bird and isiah got old man
>le couldn't win shit until pippen got better man
>le leave the team and they still make the ECF the next year without you man
>le get btfo by shaw in 95 man

>>76108086
Lol and they always use the b-b-but pippen or b-b-but warriors have all stars argument as if trying to surround yourself with talent hasn't been lebricks go to strategy for years. And it makes sense it's a team sport after all...

>>76108086
Staying with his HoF teammates was so noble. Wow, what a sacrifice he made.

>>76108149
No one is pretending like he doesn't do that. They are just pointing out that everyone else does it too, so it shouldn't be held against him.

>>76103602
>If Jordan had played basketball in 93 and 94 the debate between LeBron and Jordan would not exist.
The debate only exists in the mind of millenials anyway.

>>76108138
Jordan beat Bird, Magic, and Isiah. LeBron lost to Jason Kidd and Dirk. Your point?

>>76108213
>getting to the finals with literal scrubs is worse than getting swept every year
>mj only lost against the magic because m-muh rust!

Why do people say it was hard to score in Jordan's era? Jordan regularly dropped 50-60 on teams, including the "bad boy" Pistons.

>>76108257
lebron beat curry draymond and thompson in their prime. mj got schooled by bird and them before they got old.

and when mj retired the first time, his team still made it to an ECSF semifinal and lost only 2 3 games more in the reg season, the cavs became utter shit when le god left

>>76108257
LeBron has also beaten Durant, Westbrook, Curry and Duncan. Whats your point?

>>76108257
pippen's bulls were eliminated in a game 7 in the last fucking play too, get off Jordan's dick

>>76108284
Outside of Jordan there were more 25 PPG scorers around the league than there are today, as well.

>>76108371
By today I mean the last 15 years. This year there were a large amount of 25 PPG scorers.

>>76105429
Tudo bem que threads de baseball e """"""""""futebol""""""""" americano são uma merda, agora NBA?
Não gostas baza

>Lebron flu game
>Cavs lose to a shitty team that's missing their star and only decent player
>Jordan flu game
>drops 50 and carries team to victory
No comparison.

>>76108524
There actually is a comparison.
MJ is better at playing with the flu.
Next?

>>76108537
He played in the weak flu era

>>76108524
Also, I know you aren't being 100% serious with that post, but the Celtics have more than just IT as a decent player. Bradely very well may be on the All-Defense team this year. Smart is a very good defender. Horford is a decent stretch 4. The team is built around defense and having IT work his offensive magic. Stop pretending that pig is a good way to dictate how good a team of players is.

>>76108478
Seu mame e merda

>>76108621
try again in english bro, couldn't get that

>>76108265
>getting to the finals with literal scrubs is worse than getting swept every year
with scrubs against scrubs.
The eastern conference was an even bigger joke than than it is now.

>>76108731
That isn't true.

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>>76103754
But dude Jordan is promoted by the corporations as much as LeBron is. In fact several rules were put into place to help Jordan. Honestly the NBA needed a person to truely revolve around, a media personality that can be promoted throughout the world. And that person was Jordan. I dont think LeBron is better but I don't think Jordan is the best.

When rules are made in place to hinder you like in the case of Wilt Chamberlain, the league continually tried to stop him and essentially the league was all around against him until him and Jerry west, Gail Goodrich, and eligin Baylor finally teamed up and won.

I feel Kareem is the greatest of all time, because he won against all odds, he is the greatest scorer of all time, and ultimately could not be touched by no one even the best of his time.

>>76103602
Oh you mean that time Jordan wanted to play "Bo Jackson" but realized be didn't have the athleticism do to so?

>>76108903
You're right, the leastern conference hasn't changed much. :^)

>>76109251
If "leastern" was intentional, I applaud your cleverness. Beyond that, your quip doesn't make much sense in regards to my response to your initial comment. If anything you saying the conference hasn't changed much could imply that the conference is still good. My statement that your statement wasn't true was pushing the idea that the eastern conference was actually better then.

If you want to say the eastern conference hasn't changed much in agreence with my previous statement, then the current eastern conference would be considered good.

We both know that isn't true. The east is currently weak, but it isn't a jarring difference. They are all elite basketball players and the east in the 2000s was fine.

Anything else?

>>76109403
Yeah. Go back to reditt

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>>76103651
Yeah, the NBA clearly suspended its most marketable star, who had single-handedly carried the sport back to national relevance, in the most public way possible. Also, this was caused by two random punks killing Jordan's dad. It all makes sense.

>>76109435
I never left. I have multiple tabs open at all times.

>>76108002
>fuck off, was the REAL jordan the one who got btfo in the second round every year pre pippen?
He was there 2 years before Pippen, and the second year he was injured for the majority of the season

>>76109403>>76109454

My comment wasn't entirely sincere and I wasn't the guy who you started arguing with, but:
>The east is currently weak, but it isn't a jarring difference. They are all elite basketball players and the east in the 2000s was fine.
What are you talking about? The West had more high-50 to 60-win teams during that decade than the East and the West never had a .500 or losing team make the playoffs outside of 2006–07.

>>76109620
Also, "Leastern"'s a pretty old joke.

>>76109620
>>76109640
That was the first time I've seen it. Obviously when you are labeling a large thing with a single word there is some ambiguity in how that word is defined. When I hear weak, I think undeserving or not competitive. I don't think the disparity is enough to declare that the case. If you look at what made the west so dominant it was essentially just two teams. Two teams that were stacked with talent on the court and on the sideline. Sure there were years when some other teams made a run but only the mavs from what I remember ever won outside of la and sa. The east never had teams like la or sa besides maybe Boston and almost the magic, but outside of that there wasn't a big difference. The pistons had a great team, the nets were competitive.

Look I'm just saying it's not like the good east teams couldn't hang with the good west teams, it's just the west got lucky and had a few more Great teams. I'm on my phone so I didn't put as much into this post

>>76109814
Shit I forgot about the heat too

>>76109814
Also traveling east to west is harder on the body as far as jet lag.

>>76109814
>>76109837
Fair enough. I've heard that argument about the worse records in the East indicated competitiveness.

>>76109891
I've thought a little about that too. Ultimately though in head to head east verse west the west has pretty much always had the better record. Ironically it was incredibly close last year when the east is "so much weaker".

>>76103877
bad comparison. MJ isn't a perennial choker like Messi

>>76109887
>Gaining 3 hours is harder than losing 3
What did he mean by this?

>>76103602
Lecuckhold isn't even passed kobe the rapist

>>76108257
>Jordan beat Bird
Never happened

>skipped 2 years due to murdering his dad
Lebron basically skipped 8 or 9 years of his prime by playing on the pre-2014 Cavs

>>76111107
Sadly that's the point we've come to with the nikegatorade delusion
People think he beat all these great teams when he just got stomped until they all either retired or joined the Bulls

>>76103602
what people dont take into account in 90s nba was worst nba. There were 6 expansion teams from the late 80s to mid 90s. It was overextended, diluted trash compared to today

>muh based eastern conference at the time
yeah it was so loaded when jordan packed up his bags in 98 and created a power vacuum a fucking 8 seed won it the next year

>>76111122
Cavs were a horribly run franchise attested by the the years bookending both his arrival and departure and it would have been one of the lowliest franchises his whole time there 2003-10 without him.

Theres no doubt in my mind if he was an even on an average run team during those years hed have 5 or more already.

>>76103602
>The guy would most likely have 8 rings if he played with the Bulls the whole time.

No, he wouldn't have. Why? Because he was already getting tired of basketball by 1992-93. By then he had already mentioned retirement and the White Sox to Reinsdorf (Bulls owner). So he was already thinking about leaving the game before his dad died.

He even wrote in his autobiography at the time "Rare Air" that he could leave at any moment.

My point is that Michael Jordan could never have played so many consecutive years on the Bulls because - as he said in Rare Air - the intense focus and scrutiny on him was becoming too much and he needed a break. (i.e. he complained about not being able to go to a store without a gang of people following him around and he complained about his license plates getting stolen every week, etc.)

And guess what? Basketball was not even his favorite sport. Baseball was always his first love.

So the debate between LeBron and Jordan would've always happened.

>>76103754
>The Debate between LeBron and Jordan doesn't exist

Maybe not in the universe of your own mind, but it definitely exists everywhere else.

My brother, who is a long time Jordan and Kobe dickrider and LeBron hater, just said to me the other day that if he had to start a franchise he would take LeBron over Jordan. Just out of nowhere he says that. Wow.

It's real and it's happening.

>>76103602
>ringzzz erneh
yeah, he'd beat Olajuwon and a bunch of D-leaguers. pretty amazing accomplishment, mate.

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Well the proof is in the pudding. Jordan had every chance to win 8 in a row if he wanted to, and he didn't want to.

That fact that he chose to leave the NBA in his prime will not help any of his rings-in-a-row arguments. The answer is clearly 3. That was his max - which was twice proven.

>>76111107
Happened in one playoff series when Bird was old.

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>>76108555
Fucking KEK

>>76111308
>Jordan's Bulls has a losing record to Olajuwon's Rockets even before Olajuwon won his two rings

>>76103602
The Bulls were also blown up by management after they won 3 titles and Jordan was still the best player in the NBA in his late 30's. That team probably had a few more titles in them, yet the general manager Jerry Krause wanted to prove he could build a title contender without Jordan and Phil Jackson.

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>>76111284

>need to show evidence supporting my opinion that people think LeBron>Jordan
>maybe I should type out that one story about my fictional brother's recent conversion from actual GOAT's to worshiping LeCuck
>then I'll proceed to detail my autistic reactions and conclude that this fictional event implies some grand change is now taking place amongst fans
>yea people will probably want to hear that story

This is b8 right?

>>76103700
>Kobe in 20 seasons never had a single season that he shot over 50%

>Jordan averaged over his 14 year career 50%
>while putting up more points per game
>also top 3 in steals
>has more blocks
>scoring titles 10 to Kobe's 2
>more mvp awards
>defensive player of the year
>was actually the star of his team his entire career and not a sidekick for half of it
etc
Exactly how was Kobe better than Jordan again? He did nothing better than Jordan, yet some how be was better?

>>76108138
Try checking the age of the Pistons when Jordan swept them.
Thomas was like 29 years old. Bird also was like 32 when his career was over. Mostly due to fucking up his back. Also Lebron lost to Dwight Howard and the Magic in the playoffs. Shaq's Magic were clearly far superior to that team. And Lebron wasn't gone for 2 years playing baseball when he lost to Howard.

>>76111284
Yeah no shit. Lebrons is 32. MJ is 54.

>>76113181
>regular season
Also had a close record to Ewing's Knicks. Amazing how Jordan never lost to them when it counted. Here is also a little tidbit for you delusional Rocket fags. It took the Knicks 7 games and one of the worst calls in NBA history to beat the Bulls without Jordan. It then took the Rockets 7 games to beat that same Knick team. If Jordan played the Bulls would have beaten the Knicks in 5 games same as the Rockets.

>adding Drexlar the next year
That would have been a great series and that Rocket team would have had a shot to take the Bulls.

>>76113460
ebin

>>76113475
Still have to consider that they haven't got Rodman on board yet. I think its going to be close. Hakeem has the Ramadan disadvantage against MJ getting back to his usual performance disadvantage .if it had actually happened, it would make a great storyline for both.

>>76103754
LeBronies BTFO

>>76103700
>if this completely ridiculous fantasy scenario occurred my completely unproveable conclusion would occur

Worst kind of post in these threads

>>76103602
>guy doesn't play
>thus we must act like he did
wut

>>76110743

you mean like ronaldo.

who doesnt do shit in finals, literally cried his way out of two euro finals

and scored ONE goal in his 3 cl finals.

>>76111029
You are 3 hours further into your biological clock at an earlier time than the team that doesn't travel. It isn't as too bad just going from east to west, but its dreadful when you come back to the states from Europe. Just from experience. If you have something to counter that I'm open to it.

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>this is a debate

>>76116315
Yeah. I feel much better sneaking in extra hours of sleep because I literally got hours of my life back. I've done California to Spain round trip and California to NY round trip, both times it was much easier catching up on the west coast. The only argument I see is that an East coast team feels the effects of traveling longer after they come home.

>>76116971
Maybe it has a person to person affect. Either way I guess the negative effects happen to both sides, whether its when they return home or when they travel.

>>76112874
No it didn't. They met twice in the playoffs and the Celtics won both.

Maybe you're thinking of Thomas and the Pistons? They beat them once after losing in the playoffs 3 straight times to them. Bird is 2-0 against Jordan in the playoffs and Thomas is 3-1.

>>76116902
>scoring is all that matters

I guess Melo is a top 10 all time player