>Spain's Supreme Court has dismissed Messi's allegations

Translation: it's fucking nothing.

>>76096868
Al talego al talego.

Le van a romper el orto.

Does he go to jail now if he gets caught doing something as trivial as speeding? Also, Gibraltar.

>>76096868
We don't care, send him to jail or shut the fuck up

>mfw a country is too poor to send people to prison

>>76096945
Maybe if they made him pay the fucking taxes they wouldn't be.

>>76096986
>they wouldn't be

Lol take a look at Spanish benefits and unemployment, these idiots are pissing out money and wondering why they have none left and why no one works, its fucking hilarious

>>76096868
its ironic how if it was a normal person his life would practically be over, unable to get a job anywhere, in debt for the rest of his life.

also he would probably get 25 months.

>>76097038
Thats not what ironic means, theres no irony in double standards

>>76097052
coming from a guy who just laughed at another country's way of handling the economy when he lives in a country where everyone are taxevading by living in unfinished homes i'm not sure what to make with your comment.

it is ironic that everyone in the world knows what he did and it will never ever affect him. he's a criminal, but everyone will continue to love him because of his ablities on a football pitch.

it's tragically ironic, but ironic nonetheless.

>>76097070
Just like that med student girl that stabbed her boyfriend, he's got a future. Your future isn't as important as his.

>>76097009
Spain is doing better than Italy Luigi.We just surprassed you in GDP per capita you swarthy and greassy Terrone

>>76097070
I don't think you understand the concept of irony.

>>76097070
Thats how taxes work child.
You dont give a young billionaire jail time for tax evading because the longer they spend in your country the taxes they will give are a fuckload more then any amount they have "dodged"

>>76097116

Irony (from Ancient Greek εἰρωνεία (eirōneía), meaning 'dissimulation, feigned ignorance'[1]), in its broadest sense, is a rhetorical device, literary technique, or event in which what appears, on the surface, to be the case, differs radically from what is actually the case

>>76097171
I don't know what kind of country Denmark is, or what kind of country you think Spain is, but, expecting your life to end due to a suspended criminal sentence for tax evasion, is being a bit detached from reality. There's no irony here.

Also, way to dig deep for a definition of irony that might bolster your argument. It doesn't.

>>76096868
In similar cases in Spain, the main accused get 5-10 years, and people related get 2-4 years. So this is a joke, like almost every corruption/tax evasion trial in Spain.
And I don't give a shit who he is, Missing, Christina or hims fucking mothers.

>>76097214
Up to 8 years in prison. I guess if you count working at a hot dog stand as a job you're completely right, even working in retail you're not gonna get a job with a stained record.
If you cannot attach the last part of the literal definition of the word to this case, what point is there in arguing with you?

any half decent country has suspended sentences for first time offenders (naturally wont apply to murderers and shit). whether corruption influences this is irrevelant because rich people are above the law in most countries anyway and if messi is hounded for that so should every other soccer player

Suck dick

>>76097070
Not everyone masturbates to high tax rates like Scandinavians. The state can cause huge misallocations of money. At that point tax evasion becomes ethical.

>>76096868

Obviously I know nothing about Spanish law. How is it that his 21 month prison sentence translates to him not going to jail? Obscure legal loopholes? Just rich enough to throw a few bucks at the right people?

Taxation is theft

>>76096868
Why is Barthalona full of criminals lads?

>>76097560

That's right lad

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>>76096868

His probation officer may accept him going to other countries for work, but he will have to spend his holidays in Spain

Ibiza here we come!

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>If a thug were to accost you in the street and demand your
wallet or purse, you wouldn’t hesitate in knowing what to
call it - theft!

>If a group of thugs were to demand at least one third of
your income every month and threaten dire consequences if
you didn’t accept their offer of “protection”, you wouldn’t
hesitate in knowing what to call it - theft!

>Yet you are robbed every day. Every month at least one
third of your income
is
taken from you forcibly, without
your consent. It is taken by the government. And yes,
even if only a few realise it, that too is theft!

>For just how does government differ from a mugger? Why
is the state’s “protection” racket different from that of any
other gangster? Both conform to my dictionary’s definition
of theft - the seizure of individuals’ property without their
consent. The only difference is that the government is less
honest than its private competitors in crime. At least a thief
doesn’t claim to be committing his crime for your own
good, to be performing a desirable social service in “the
public interest”

Lionel Andrés "Leo" Messi

>>76097672

Did he really say that? Is he the hero we need, the one who will get people to realize that taxation is theft?

>>76097539
In Spain, if you get a sentence of less than 2 years, have no prior criminal record, and you don't commit a more serious crime (murder, etc), you don't need to go to jail.

However, as other people pointed out, rich people usually get this kind of "punishment", whereas some poor schmuck who steals 300€ using a stolen credit card might spend 5 years in jail.

>>76097700
>Thief
>"some poor schmuck"

>>76096898
Yep, that is.

>>76097110
>an entire nation of terrone calling someone else terrone
What did he mean by this

>>76097565
That´s why independentist, who had been ruling Catalonia for ages, wants to escape from Spain, to avoid jail.

>>76097700
The example you are using here, the guy that was sentenced to 5 years for using a stolen credit card, was also a member of a criminal organization. FAKE NEWS

>>76097700

I'm guessing the judge had some discretion and could have given a slightly longer sentence to go over two years. These sentence lengths are propbably where things vary between rich and poor criminals.

There is still a very very slight chance that he'll go to jail, if the judge wants to mame an example out of hin. It has happened to other famous people before.

>>76096868
I thought it was bad enough when Celtic had Rangers relegated just because they didn't want any kind of competition, but to want to imprison 50% of what keeps your league relevant just so Penaldo can stat pad with some penalties and some offsides seems much more over the top. I'm not surprised because I know how much of a scum club Halal is. I'm just saying it's taking things a bit too far.

>>76096898
>>76097742
So, Messi leaving Barcelona for England is pretty much confirmed

>>76097672
Is there a Messi quote about taxation?

>>76097878

The judge was clearly a Barcelona fan

>>76097934
>Real Madrid is the one investigating Messi
Is this bait?

>>76097878
>implying anyone would dare do it to the most popular soccah player on the planet (or maybe ronaldo is I dont give a shit)

he'd get lynched

>>76097996
He plays for a "separatist" club and the court is from Madrid, and prosecutors had been seen at Bernabeú

>>76097943
he unironically can't enter uk now

>>76097009
And guess who's going to give them a helping hand, EU lad?

>>76098014
The court is in and is from Barcelona

Remainder that Messi line of defence was literally
>i'm to retarded to understand tax, it was my father fault

>>76098117
to be fair thats probably true, his father is a dumbshit factory worker. he is culpable for letting him handle it though.

>earns millions per month
>cant pay someone to do his taxes calculator
>ask his retarded peasent father instead
jail this fucking cunt already

>>76098117
I'm surprised he didn't bring up his autism

>>76097110
>We just surprassed you in GDP

Nope.
Italy: 30k, Spain: 26k

is this shit cumulative?
e.g. if he gets caught speeding can he be sent to jail?

>>76098246
Yes

>>76098014
Beautiful novel , i would buy it when you will publish it.

>spanish justice system

Truly a fucking joke.

SAY WITH ME LADS

TAXATION IS _____

>>76099809
the duty of every responsible citizen who can afford it

>>76098117
I believe it tbqh
you can literally all Messi knows is football, I don't doubt that if he wasn't playing he'd be stamping license plates

>>76099809
theft

>>76099809
>>76099858
And this is why your country is barely a country.

Is he allowed to leave for another League under these 18 months if he wanted to?

>>76099905
This is a lie, the fact is that taxation money is absorved by corruption. Thats why its literally theft over here.

>>76099905
my loyalty lies with my company, brainlet scum

>get shitloads f money
>cheat system to get even more money, even though you have more money than you know what to do with
>get caught breaking the law
>pay money to some big shot lawyer to push the sentence below 2 years
>basically nothing happens and you keep making shitloads of money

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>>76099925
>Implying that government by nature must be rotten and corrupt
>Implying the only way to fix it is to be corrupt yourself
Do you not see the idiocy in this vicious cycle? Your countries are shit because you've normalized corruption and your defense is
>Well everyone is doing it.

>>76097700
Alonso from Chelsea litteraly killed somebody and didn't go to jail

>>76099931
Who will sell you out to show a better sales quarter to billionaire share holders. Nice foresight.

>>76097560
Tacition is theft until you need those asphalt roads well mantained.

>>76100026
*Taxation

>>76099989
Your country exists because your founding fathers realized that excessive taxation is theft. Nobody is arguing against basic taxes for things like public infrastructure and so on

>>76099989
to be fair USA is pretty damn corrupt, and only some parts of it are shit

>>76100058
It was about self determination not excessive taxation. Taxes was a good way to make the point of self determination because nobody likes to pay them. My country exists because the bourgeois merchant class and bourgeois plantation owners made an alliance to overthrow the governors appointed by a distant King, not to rid themselves of taxes. Also many of them were in substantial debt to English banks and were in genuine danger of going to debtors prison, which is why taxation and bankruptcy protection were both cornerstones of the Constitution. But hey I'm sure a south American has a nuanced understanding of how good Constitutions are made.

>>76096868
when is he going to release his rap album now that he is a confirmed convict.

>>76100210
It is, but probably because we've let too many dagos and whops into power. Lol all memes aside, we're still a lot better than a lot of places because even though our legislators have been caught in scandal there is still the real threat the courts will fuck you up if you're caught.

>>76100384
a lot better than a lot of places? USA is easily the best place on the planet since it suits just about any lifestyle. my point being exactly that your country is corrupt but still gud

>>76100427
Yeah but my point is that if we were as corrupt as Argentina we'd be as much of a shit hole. Argentina is a big country containing one of the largest, most fertility regions in the world (Patagonia). A beautiful coastline, and valuable mineral deposits too, their wounds as a nation are wholly self inflicted.

>>76097672
Based tax evading Messi.

>>76097672
>>76097690
>>76100617
Ab-so-fucking-lutely retarded.

I applaud Messi for this. We should all encourage anyone to dodge as much taxpaying as possible. For example, I get good financial aid from the U.S government to go to school since Im "poor" but in reality Im self employed and make 50k a year easily as a reseller and keep all my money either in electronic format on different Paypal accounts (which in turn have been set up so as to not link to my accounts or disclose my information) and do a lot of underhanded cash only deals. I pay no taxes as a result on my income AND I get free school money from the government.

I refuse to ever contribute to this garbage sysyem of taxation that robs me of my wealth. This is partly why Im happy Trump is getting rid of commie shit Obongocare

>>76098117

Neymar is being investigated and he gave the same excuse.

>>76100767
Wasnt his case even worse? Didnt the Brazilian government audit and freeze his assets?

>>76100750
>Implying anyone cares about your 10k in taxes
That's chump change compared to the figures we're talking about.

>>76100865

It was between him, his former team(Santos) and Barca.

I don't recall his assets being frozen, i know Santos had to pay some fines or something.

>>76100767
lol you think these players have the capability to handle millions?

They are literal dunces who left education at alike 9 years old.

>>76098016
so can he play the WC or go to argentina now?

>>76100983
>r-rich people sh-should pay for muh gubmint welfare!
Lol pay for it yourself you filthy commie lower class scum.

>>76098016
>Messi can't enter the UK but Ackmed and his band of terrorists can

>>76101383
>harmless white autist banished from former white country

makes sense, they gotta muslimize that shit quicker

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>>76097690
He's one of the most brilliant players

Punished Messi


Treble next season, la

>>76101125

His dad is a former player and he handles his money and career.

>>76101224
No. I'm self employed as well but here's the thing with your strategy boss, if you ever wanna grow your business and make some serious cash you're going to need some serious capital, you're going to have to make some big investments and you're going to create a paper trail doing this. If the IRS ever becomes suspicious about how a guy with no history of income suddenly is growing a business out of nowhere you're gonna get fucked. You're only cheating yourself in the long run. There are regulations I wish didn't exist but not paying taxes is not a smart solution. And yeah, I love how you think taxes = welfare when more money goes to defense than everything else combined.

>>76101446
kek, based Messi

>>76101542
Are you one of Claudio Taffarel's 17 children?

>>76096868
lel

>>76098016
>yfw this was Barça's plan all along

>>76099858
no, no, lad, no. PROPERTY is theft.

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>>76098224

>>76099809
PENIS

>>76096868
You just know.

>>76097560
Evasion is theft.

Taxation is theft

in his entire time in Spain, Messi has paid 150 Millio Euro in taxes.

That's more than anyone has contributed to the Hacienda of Spain in the last 10 year.

Yes, that's right, Messi is the largest sole contributor of tax in the entire Spanish country.

But you know what? Madrid is the center of Spain and owns everything, loyal to Real Madrid, so they have to go after Messi for 4 million and make it a big deal, just because he's living in Catalunya and F Perez has the Spanish court system by the balls.

Messi is just being treated like this to make a statement to all other athletes. It's the same last month when FIFA "suspended him" for 4 games, set an example to all athletes, the rescinded the suspension.

Messi's name is being used. It's unfair to the man and Spain and FIFA need to fuck off.

>>76100987
yes it was blocked.

>>76111922
Τhat's not how justice works.

Also for everyone saying taxation is theft,
I don't know what the situation in spain is at, but

>Next time you use public transport and you only pay a small amount of money for a ticket, remember that the rest was put from the Country/EU.

>Next time you watch National TV close it, because it is partly paid frm your country.

>Next time you call the police and the firefighters, find a solution yourself. They are paid from your taxes.

>Next time your kid goes to school/public uni. Tell him not to. The facilities are maintained from your taxes. The teachers are paid from your taxes. The books are paid from your taxes/ EU agreement.

>Next time you go to the hospital and don't pay 20,000 for a surgery or 2,000 for an MRI, do not accept to pay any less. The public hospital facilities, most public hospital doctors, the machinery

>Next time an Olympics event, Euro Event , FIFA World Cup, FIBA World Cup are held be aware that your government has put money on it.

>Even the stadium your >muh innocent Leo Messi plays at, government put money on it.


Most, if not all of these things, would cost to each one individually far more if there was no coverage from the country you live in. So stop complaining and understand that capitalism is successfull.

*Of course Messi is unlucky. Taxation is based on the money someone makes. aka someone's income. But both him and his manager and his team and possibly his accountant are/were aware of that (to be honest Messi posibly doesn't taka care of his economic issues so maybe he personally isn't - but he still benefits from avoiding it). His/Their choice to become a professional in a country with such high taxes. His/Their choice to remain in Spain. His/Their choice to not transfer to many big teams that tried to sign him. I don't understand why people are calling the country wrong-unjust for chasing him.

>>76112235
wow a sensible person on /sp/

inb4 libertarian virgins go b-but my invisible hand and free market and objectivism

>>76112301

bro this is /sp/ the average poster only cares about
>muh team is better than urs
>muh sport is better than urs
>muh fave player is better than urs

Do you expect any of them to have faced reality once in their lives? They re all kids , if not due to age, then due to mentality.

>>76112235
>>76112301
Ironically this came from a Greek

>>76112440
Not him but it's not really ironic, no Greek is fine with a rich person evading tax.

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>mes que una club

Is Barca the most scum club in the world in recent years?

Literally every president since forever have been sentenced to jail.

>>76112235
That's not how mafia works.

Also for everyone saying mafia is theft.
I don't know what the situation in spain is at, but

>Next time you need a lift, you only need to pay 50% of the fee thanks to lamafiadealings

>Next time you listen to local radio, close it, because it's financed by El Don

>Next time your house burns down, don't blame it, t'was le accident

>Next time your kid doesn't come back home, don't blame us, just pay the ransom

>Next time you need a loan for a surgery, El Don will aways be there for you, we are a family amigli

Most, if not all these things, will cost to each one individually far more than if there was no mafia coverage in your city. So stop complaining and understand mafias benefit people.

>>76112235
Mafia
>keep immigrants out of city
>better loans than usury banks
>better protection than police
>will give you emergency money if your wife has cancer
>finances local activities (radio, tv, newspaper)

So don't you dare complain about the mafia.

>>76098117
>a person bred for soccer since he was 14 is expected to know how to pay taxes on multiple millions of dollars
?????

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>>76112697
Ignorance is no excuse in Europe

>>76112235
>Most, if not all of these things, would cost to each one individually far more if there was no coverage from the country you live in.
[7 citations needed, 0 will be provided]

>>76112717
He's logically wrong. Anything the government does includes additional waste due to bureaucracy and corruption.

>>76112637
J.L. Nuñez -- Actually in jail.
J. Gaspart -- Guilty in 'Caso Spanair' & 'Husa Hotels Bankrupt'
J. Laporta -- No Guilty for steal Money from Barsa. 'Case Dual Diligence'.
S. Rossell -- A very long list of open cases in Spain, Brazil & USA.
Bartomeu -- Related to Rossell around "Case Neymar".

>>76112637
>>76112827
Florentino has probably committed more crimes

But Madrid only investigates people from Catalunya, they never investigate their own men

>>76112856
Thats what you want to believe but I am afraid It is not true amigo

>>76112865
It's 100% true. Spanish Justice is horribly corrupt and centralized.

>>76112868
>Let me talk you about your country
Its corrupto yes, but each comunity including Catalonia (not Catalunya) has their own district attorney and police which has often initiate the movements against your incredible corrupt club. Stop eating the propaganda they throw at you.

>>76096898
nah in Spain you can literally murder a person and just pay a settlement and you're fine , see Marcos Alonso

>>76112906
https://twitter.com/FonsiLoaiza/status/864908246808760321

Here's an audio of Florentino Perez bossing a JUDGE around

He's untouchable

>>76112856
>But Madrid only investigates people from Catalunya, they never investigate their own men

Are you 12?

In fact, Hacienda is after Tito Flo since Bankia blow up. His name is come up from time to time but there is no proof at the moment.

>>76112868

Corruption af, yes. Justice is descentralized. Just look for Conselleria de Justicia de Catalunya. Every automony used Justice to watch hers own back and clean theirs shits. See Messi, judge in Barcelona.

>>76112997

Today maybe is untouchable, tomorrow will see. You can see this kind of actions in Madrid & Barcelona, but your are so biased & blinded.

>>76112997
>judge asks him if he helped illegally fund the PP party
>"No, I am offended by the question even"
>This is somehow bossing the judge around
>the absolute state of the Sub-Saharian country of Argentina

>>76112997
>yes, yes, all barcelona presidents since the late 70s have been proven guilty in court BUT have you seen this tweet?

>>76112997
>Fonsi Loaiza
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Please, this guy is one of the biggest jokes of spanish twitter.
Still that audio doesn't prove anything aside Florentino's ego.
If he is guilty of something they probably will get him eventually. But your catalanized speech of 'Hurr durr ok I am guilty but in the end It is all shady shit of RM/Spain against us' is laughable.

>>76112659
>>76112678

I never talked about Mafia or anything brah. I talked about government taxes.

>>76112717

Are you actually implying im gonna find the basics of "why taxes exist in capitalist democratic countries?"
You can honestly look it up yourself. I'm not gonna bother with someone who has no clue as to why taxes exist. I probably shouldn't even start this conversation but f*ck me.

>>76112659
>>76112678

Same guy here.
Just found out you can actually sue police/firefight in case of an as you call it "le accident".
Seriously though, both of u Argentinians have no clue as to what benefits exist for the average citizen due to European Union and tax payed money.
Also that ironic "this is mafia attitude" proves why South American countries can not be considered first world.
Mafia is not a big problem in European countries anymore. A few Italian and Russian issues occur but I doubt anything more persistent throughout Europe.
So what you are telling me , doesn't make me sweat coz I simply do not share the reality you guys do. On the other hand, as I previously mentioned, you are nothing close to a capitalist democratic country- even though you name it so,meaning you do not share the same reality with Spain or Europe in General either. Better not talk about stuff you are unaware of, and better not have the ironic attitude:
>i know best.

>>76116616
>Are you actually implying im gonna find the basics of "why taxes exist in capitalist democratic countries?"
No, because that's not what I asked for.
You're obviously mentally deficient to some degree. Don't worry about it, friend. It's not like I expected you would be able to back up your claims anyway.

>>76117174
So you want me to give you a citation which explains why public school is free while private school costs money? 1 Citation needed becuase of that?
The rest are equally laughable Denmark

Another underage youngling who thinks he knows the world.

>>76117174
It's funny cause after analyzing your request I thought "nah , no way he is asking such a retarded question" and trying to understand what possibly you could be asking, I ended up to something that made me look mentally deficient.
Pathetic.
Please, go talk about sports mate. Politics, Economy are something you have no basic knowledge to even comprehend how they work.

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>>76112235
>his country is the prime example of state employees taking too much money from the taxpayer
>defends high taxation

Next time you receive tax money thank the companies and workers who created it instead of the corrupt government.

>>76117265

I never said I defend high taxation. I just pointed out where these money are invested from the government to all these retards saying they are just stolen money.
The fact that I am greek doesn't block me from having a common sense. Greece had other corruption problems.