Do we really have to wait another 20-25 years before the next

You can watch NFL instead of complaining about things you clearly don't understand.

>>76030143
don't listen to our simian friend >>76030172
I acknowledge Messi have been, and is still incredible. Nerman could somewhat deliver until you or the Chinese (both countries with the most licencees) produce a genius

>>76030143
>putting cruyff before tsuman

>>76030372
>le tap in lad

>>76030372
Ronaldo is an over-glorified poacher on a stacked team in a league which gives his team penalties at a higher rate than the other teams in the league. He's rated higher than he deserves for the same reason David Beckham was: his looks. He's marketable so the sports media slobber all over his cock. A lot of players could put up those kind of numbers playing for Madrid, but it'd be difficult to find anyone from any era capable of putting up Messi like numbers in any system, any team while also running the show from the midfield the way Messi does. I'm not even including Messi's dribbling here, which is completely unparalleled in the history of the game.
People who think Ronaldo is comparable to Messi don't watch enough football.

Ronaldo is a really athletic Pippo Inzaghi.

>>76030540

>Ronaldo plays on a stacked team in a league which gives his team penalties at a higher rate than other teams in the league

>implying Messi isn't in the exact same boat

It's time to stop posting

>>76030143
Who the fuck is the ponce in the orange?

>>76030595
>La Liga refs
>biased in favor of Barca
That's Champions League refs you're thinking of. Barca gets shafted in La Liga and a free pass in CL, generally speaking.

>>76030609
was

>>76030372

>a person that just stands around waiting for a tap is a 'goat'
lol no

>>76030609
Holland's greatest ever player Marco Van Basten

>>76030595

Messi atleast has the technical ability to break away defenders sometimes. Le Tap in Babby has missed even the easiest of tap ins and generally no longer does what he did at Manchester United.

Though you can thank Jose Mourinho for doing that

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better

>>76030609
Seedorf

>>76030609
read the sticky, kiwi

>>76030540
>A lot of players could put up those kind of numbers playing for Madrid
lmao

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>people who talk about stats in football

>>76030929

Higuain had more goals than Ronaldo in La Liga. Then got kicked out of Real Madrid when he fractured his back because Benzema was more than willing to sacrifice his career spoonfeeding Ronaldo.

What does Higuain do? He goes to Serie A and breaks the record for goals scored there. Anyone can score, not everyone can see the game like the other goats.

>>76030901
Pele is no longer in the conversation after his erectile dysfunction adverts.

>>76030540
>running the show from the midfield the way Messi does
>forgetting he's played most of his career with the two best midfielders in the world

>>76030540
This

>>76030143

GOATs are called GOATs because they don't pop out everywhere each season but once a generation.

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>>76030143
>putting Messi in the same level as those three

Call me when he win something without Xaviniesta. And I mean a real title, not just a u20 or u23 meme tournament.

>>76030143
No, because doping techniques have been perfected.
>protip cycling is better

>>76031262
Lmao go neck yourself you obessed monkey.

>>76030609
Luka Modric

>>76031733
>arguments: 0
>shitposts: 1

So this is the power of missis fanboys.

1 special player comes every decade. In the pic you have Pele (60s), Cruyff (70s) and Maradona (80s). In the 90s it was Ronaldo, although due to terrible luck with injuries he isn't rated as highly as those three. In the 00s you had Ronaldinho, who like Ronaldo didn't quite reach that group because of reasons. Then of course Messi. By 2020 we'll see the next truly great talent I'm sure

>>76030540
>an american posts a good post

>>76031106
He runs the show from the midfield right now while scoring more goals this season than Ronaldo did.

>>76033154

Fenomeno was only at his peak in bursts and got 0 champions leagues

>>76030609
that's robben when he was young

>>76033154
i dont see anything right now which is when they should be coming up
overrated shit like mbappe, dybala, etc. are even weaker than the times where you faggots were giving balon d'ors to owen, zidane, raul, etc. who aren't anywhere near the elite of this era

>>76030540
Ronaldo has scored more goals per game than Messi since they both started playing in La Liga though.

>>76033413
>0 champions leagues

So does Maradona, Buffon, Baggio, Romario and lots of other greats. Also he was consistent before his first major injury at Inter. It was only after he came back in 2002 where his form was patchy. But like I said, in terms of a special talent Ronaldo belongs in that company. It's a widely held belief that if not for injuries he'd have ended the Pele/Maradona argument long before Messi came along.

>>76033491
that's his point
people only look at the stats and not at what he actually does on the field
honestly footballfags are the biggest offenders of this, people who watch basketball/hockey at least know that its not just who scores that's important

>>76033491
It is extremely difficult to quantify the overall effectiveness of players statistically in this sport. Try measuring the complete impact prime Xavi had on Barca through statistics. You can try but you will fail. The eye test is the most valuable tool when evaluating footballers.
Messi and Ronaldo have put up similar goal/assist statistics but Messi has done so while making so many more important passes and dribbles than Ronaldo and anyone who regularly watches both players can easily see this. Messi contributes way more to his team's success than Ronaldo and always has.

>>76033579
>replying to such an obvious bait

lel

The thing is, in hockey or basketball you only have to side-step or lower a shoulder on 1 defender and you have a clear shot at scoring, you even get provided picks to shoot without a defender 20% of the time, so stats matter a lot more than in soccer because the best players will be able to capitalize on such weak defenses in a court which can have max 5 players on a team.

In soccer you barely get to take on one defender before the other one comes crashing down on you half a second later, that's why it's even more impressive that players such as Pele, Maradona, Fat Ronaldo or Messi have been able to treat the pitch like a slalom course.
But then you have the true GOAT that is Messi, who has done it for 10 years while also being a tremendous goalscorer, rivaling the stats of Gerd der Bomber Mueller, Ronaldo, and Nigerian league goalscorers in the modern game. That's what makes him special.

>>76034157
How many titles without Xaviniesta does he have?

>>76030540
This

>>76030540
>tf
>tt
impressed, you can't be american

>>76034210

Xavi and Iniesta never played out of their own comfort. Their entire teams have either been Barcelona or Barcelona + Alonso, Ramos, Casillas, repeat that for 6 years straight.

Messi has gotten to finals with players from every single league, of different ages, using managers with different systems. At any point you can find teammates from Manchester City, Monaco, Sporting, United, Barcelona, Boca,Inter, Napoli, with different managers.

so who is the system?

also, kill yourself you monkey.

>>76034361
>so who is the system?

Xavi: 2 euros + 1 wc
Iniesta: 2 euros + 1 wc
Messi: ..............................

>>76034361
so how many titles?

But Messi does have some titles without Xavi. It's hard to have them without Iniesta tho, since he's there since before Messi arrived. Not like titles are all that matters, anyway.

man, why do people always bully cruijff here

>>76030540
Messi is an stacked team too and in a league thay gives him penalties

>>76034433
How many titles has messi won without iniesta on the pitch?
How many has iniesta won without xavi?
Le pass sideways possession god is the real GOAT.

>>76030946
Exactly my thought lol. Watch Messi play, he is a fucking alien

>>76033491
Gerd Muller scored more goals Cruyff, but no one ever says he's better

>>76030540
There's no fucking way you're American.

>>76035336
>How many has iniesta won without xavi?

The double.

>>76034433
Messifags BTFO

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Based Brazilihno.

>>76030540
You have to go back

>>76035136
>It's hard to have them without Iniesta tho

Oh, I didn't know that Iniesta was argie..

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>>76030540

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>>76030540

>hate Ronaldo because he's a Joaquim
>hates Messi because he's an hermano
What do?

>>76035757
Have you tried cyanide?

>>76031262
This. Messi is the worst meme ever.
>muh alien
Lel liga defending is JUST tier

Cristiano proved himself in two different leagues and at national level.

>>76030540
Please ban all American IPs from soccer conversations.

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>>76036695
>soccer

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>>76036726
>replying to a leaf

>>76036305
>muh euro


Kill yourself you monkey. Ronaldo did jack shit during that tournament. And don't say he encouraged his team, cause that didn't win them the cup either

>>76030901
Huebro, is Pelé really a cut above forwards when it comes to defending the ball?

>>76030929
I'd say Higuain, Lewandowski or Suarez could do it (if TSU was not in Halal of course)

>>76031262
>>76036305
>monkeys salty because he's from argentina and not a poor nigger from a favela

>>76030540
Exactly

Also>>76030143
>Pele

When will this meme end? Not even the best Brazilian player of all time

Many of you seem to forget that Football/Soccer is still a team sport. There is the real reason why Messi hasn't won anything on the National Team level, his teammates and him don't click the same way he does in Barcelona.

Setting that aside, 20-30 years from now, Messi will be remembered as the best player in the World, while Ronaldo will be remember as the guy who was trying to be Messi. ('Trying' being the key word here, as good PR can make people think he is better than he actually is. Having said that, Penaldo is having a great ending of a season, but a few good performances won't elevate him to Greatest of All Time status).

>>76037196
Salty about? What titles Messi gave to Argentina?

I think after midnight GMT talking about football should be banned from this board to stop such threads existing.

I didn't know the dude in the bottom right died recently. Shouldn't there have been a sticky?

>>76030143
maradonna
pele

kek

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>>76030540
right on target, bro

>>76030540
>while also running the show from the midfield the way Messi does
>le lobbed trough ball from right to left now means you are a playmaker
what the fuck
ronaldo is an amazing striker, fuck off with your pseudo arguments

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>>76033491
>Ronaldo has scored more goals per game than Messi since they both started playing in La Liga though.

Of course since it counts Messi's formative years where he wasn't even a starter while Ronaldo arrived at La Liga as an established player. If you look at the 2009-2017 period or 24 y.o. - 30 y.o. period for both players Messi has better ratio.

>>76030143
For marketing reasons, no. Someone will pop up, not all are born talented as they say

I'm not saying it will be immediate but these things work generationally and people often spawn out of WCs

>>76037630
>Not even the best Brazilian player of all time
Messi isn't the best Argie too and there he is

>>76039452

Remember when Ronaldo fanboys would argue he's more complete than Messi because he had a better weak foot, was better at long shots and at free kicks? kek

>>76033428
before his "incident"

Ronaldo is a great player, he is miles ahead of everyone

on a scale of 1 to 10
1 being the average player
Ronaldo is a 5. He is 4 points ahead of everyone else.

But then you see Messi, Messi is a 10. The difference between Ronaldo and everyone else is the difference between Ronaldo and Messi.
Messi is just beyond comprehension

>>76044647
>Americlap with the stats

>>76044647

How is Ronaldo miles ahead of everyone? I just don't see it. Yes his consistency over the years is impressive, but based on ability I don't see how he's far ahead of the likes of Suarez, Neymar etc.

When you watch him he doesn't look particularly impressive.

>>76044647
Shut the fuck up dude. This is the worst explanation of Ronaldo vs Messi ive read on Spee

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le cut outside man is future goat

>Ronaldofags
Stat retards. What Ronaldo does is impressive but put Aguero/Leqandoski/Suarez in his position where he gets the ball fed to him constantly in front of the goal, then they do the same as Ronaldo.
>Maradona/Pele/Cruyff fags
Retards because they never actually got to watch them consistently.

Fat Ronaldo and Messi are the only two players that people on /sp/ should argue are GOAT because they are the best whilst most of us were old old enough to watch them.

Iniesta, Xavi and Zidane could also have GOAT debates but Iniesta is literally just a more effective version of Zidane.

>>76030143

No because scouting, training and nutrition science is better than ever. Compare a 90th game with today, you will notice how clumsy the players moved back then. Todays football will quench out every drop of talent to form great players.

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Ronaldo at united
>2008 CL: player of the game Van der Sar
>2008 club world cup: player of the tournament Wayne Rooney

Ronaldo at Real Madrid
>gets outscored by Higuain in the league until he's shipped off to Napoli
>doesn't win anything until Bale arrives
>2014 CL: Benzema and Ramos score to get them past Bayern in the semis
>Di Maria gets player of the match in the final
>Bale gets player of the tournament at the club world cup
>Ramos gets player of the game for the UCL final in '16
>Pepe player of the tournament at the Euros

really makes me think

>>76038732
a u20 mundial and a u23 olympics senpai

>>76044426
>falling to such an obvious baity

lel

>>76047314
>implying any part of this thread is not bait

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>>76030540

it's always the fucking americans

>>76048441
Don't you have an Ichabod Crane to chase?

>>76030143
But Dybala is playing right now and he's about to win his first CL.

>>76030540
There's not a single football player who's a better athlete than Ronaldo, if you can't see that you're retarded.

Doesn't mean he's the best player.

>>76045540
You can't use the term goat if you're going to ignore everyone you never saw. That's like saying Obama was the greatest Democrat president ever because idk any others lol.

>>76030540
this

>>76047272
K E K
E
K

Stop trolling m8

>>76030540
>over-glorified poacher on a stacked team in a league which gives his team penalties at a higher rate than the other teams in the league

Stands for Messi as well though. Both are over rated shit

>>76030540
>be messi
>play along Eto'o and prime Dinho
>win champions league
>Play along the best midfield in history plus Henry and Eto'o
>Win champions league
>play along the best striker in the world and Neymar (both top 5 in the world)
>win champions league

Yeah man, messi played with scrubs all this time.

>>76030143
>putting pele in the same level as those 3

>>76050754
Are you retarded?
Pele is a football god.

>>76030946
This. People can't just tell who is the better player by looking at them play anymore. They have to open a website and look at stats to make up their mind.

>>76050803
Probably that's what he meant. Pelé is above these guys