what is harder? hitting a baseball or scoring a direct freekick?

>>75938426
keeping your borders secure

>>75938426
Hitting a baseball where, though? Just hitting it? Hitting a home run?

>>75938426

Considering the FK gets converted about 5% of the time, seems like it's more difficult.

File: 7a076d528e58101aae356cec68530fa7.jpg (32KB, 560x457px) Image search: [Google]

32KB, 560x457px

>>75938426
>what is harder?
muh dick

>>75938446
I read somewhere that "Hitting a Baseball: Is It the Hardest Thing to Do in All of Sports" so I was asking our specialists down here.

>>75938493
I mean it's hard as hell to hit the ball in a way to benefit your team or at will in the direction you want it to go.

>>75938537
I get it, but is it harder than scoring a direct free kick?
from about 25-30 meters, with a wall and a goalkeeper: Pogba scored one for the France team after 60 attempts

>>75938426
If you mean getting a base hit or better against an MLB pitcher, definitely that.

If you mean just getting some kind of contact, scoring a free kick is probably harder.

>>75938426
free kicks are probably harder but you don't have to do it as much. a typical baseball player will be asked to hit the ball about 500 times every season, and the best in the game have a below .500 average.

File: stats.jpg (85KB, 640x493px) Image search: [Google]

85KB, 640x493px

>>75938587
Could you give a stat on this? Like in % how many base hit or better?

I have this for probably the 2 best football player of today

rate is 4% for CR7

>>75938662
Baseball hitting stats are shown with an average out of 1%.

IE, a batter hitting .268 is getting 298 base hits every 1,000 at bats. Most players hit somewhere between .200 and .300. If you can bat .350 for a season, you're a superstar. And no one's finished a season over .400 in half a century.

>>75938689
Sorry, I fucked that up. 100% is 1.000. And .268 is 268 hits obviously.

It really depends, if I grabbed some random dude off the street and asked them to try to do both I'm sure I'd find more can do a free kick goal vs hitting an MLB pitcher for a basehit.

I just saw my local 4th tier team get scored on a direct free kick on Saturday, and these are all basically college kids.

>>75938579
Hitting a ball into play against an MLB pitcher is probably harder

>>75938716
.268 means 26,8%? that's pretty steady.

>>75938662
why not posting the average distance? messi only take pretty close fks

Even if the pitch is a slow down the middle ball, a free kick is still easier

File: skiing.jpg (271KB, 1080x1080px) Image search: [Google]

271KB, 1080x1080px

>>75938426
The best hitter in the world's best baseball league (Daniel Murphy in MLB) hit the ball 34.7% of the time in 2016. The best free kick taker in the world's best soccer league, Lionel Messi in the Spanish league, scores from direct free kicks about 8.02% of the time.

However, just hitting the ball doesn't actually earn you any points. It's similar to just getting a free kick on target, which Messi does 32.3% of the time.

Scoring from a direct free kick is more like hitting a home run. o if you're asking "what's harder, hit a home run or scoring a direct free kick", then hitting a home run is a little harder, but not by much. The best home run hitter last season (Mark Trumbo) did it 47 times in 613 attempts, a conversion rate of 7.6%. So it seems like hitting a homer and scoring a direct free kick are pretty similar.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4113392/Lionel-Messi-Spanish-football-s-free-kick-king-not-Cristiano-Ronaldo-stats-Barcelona-star-s-superiority.html

http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/year/2016/sort/homeRuns/order/true

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11096/10321631/cristiano-ronaldo-lionel-messi-dimitri-payet-or-gareth-bale-which-player-is-the-best-free-kick-taker

>>75938730
Just watched a bit of MLB game. they hit the baseball pretty often. I also watch a lot of football matches, and direct free kicks are rarely scored.

>>75938689
top lel it really is luckswing

>>75938763
Hitting the ball doesn't get you a point, though. It's not comparable to scoring a free kick.

>>75938760
Is Daniel Murphy as outwordly as Messi? Because we shouldn't take into account Messi in these stats, he's an "anomaly", literally 1 out of 10 billions chances freak

>>75938722
That's because you had a 4th tier goalkeeper too. A regular person wouldn't score free kicks from 30 metres in a professional match. Maybe 1/100 if they're lucky.

>>75938760
This is good analysis. Thanks for sharing.

>>75938781
see >>75938493

>>75938722
It is well known that low league/amateur goalkeeping and defenses are pretty loose and incompetent

There's a huge talent gap between lower levels and major league talent, though, when it comes to hitting pitches that aren't straight fastballs. Just lining up and timing up fastballs isn't too hard if you're athletic, but you have to have jacked up hand-eye coordination, balance, and control when you're at the highest level, because you're going up against this shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyE8sm716Tc

>>75938793
>Is Daniel Murphy as outwordly as Messi?

No, Daniel Murphy is a very good player but not goat tier.

>>75938775

t. Willian

I'd argue that hitting a ball *in major league baseball* is the hardest thing you can do, because all the talent is so ridiculously concentrated in baseball. All the best players come to the US. In soccer, on the other hand, the talent is far more spread out, if somebody asked you to name the top 20 teams in the world you would be choosing from at least 5 different countries.

Imagine if the world's top 20 goalkeepers all played in La Liga. Would Messi and Ronaldo have the same free kick conversion rates?

>>75938884
*5 different leagues

6 countries I guess, because of Monaco

>>75938842
>00:54
hooooooooooooooooooooooooly shit

Well after all that, I'm not convinced at all that "Hitting a Baseball: the Hardest Thing to Do in All of Sports", because batters in MLB hit very regularly, while football free kicks takers are all below 10% conversion rate.

>>75939013
so there's a minimum of 54 free kicks in every soccer game? i don't think that's true.

>>75938426
The best hitters have a 33% batting average, so you tell me.

>>75939083
The world's best soccer player has an 8% average of scoring from free kicks.

>>75939013
Hitting isn't the same as scoring though. It's just a general skill that could apply to a ton of things: homers, bunts, sac flys, base hits....it doesn't make much sense to compare hitting in general to one specific outcome of a free kick.

>>75939075
could be 54 fouls per game. but I ask about SCORING from a direct free kick. Some dude claims that "Hitting a Baseball is the Hardest Thing to Do in All of Sports", so is it harder than scoring from a direct free kick, yes or no? he doesn't clarify if he speaks about hitting a HR

>>75939083
33% is superior to Messi conversion rate, which is already very high, so by this number it looks like hitting a baseball is easier.

IMO hitting a direct free kick is harder. Every year we see pitchers go up there who look like they have no business seeing pitches but they'll bat .100, so they're able to luck into it. If someone doesn't have the technique to score a freekick they just can't score. Even Ronaldo, a decent FK taker, has become a meme for not being able to score.

Finding a gf is harder than doing both at the same time ;_;

>>75939118
my point is it's a bad comparison. if soccer players had 54 chances to kick a free kick in every game, they'd get pretty good at it after a while. in baseball, there's a minimum of 54 individual plate appearances, and that's only if every appearance until the last one results in an out.

>>75938793
well Messi is not exactly GOAT material when it comes to FK
sure, he's very good at that too but his "outworldly" skills others, dribbling in particular

the best FK taker in history would be Juninho i think, while currently Pjanic and Willian come to mind

>>75938689
If you hit .350 with no power and don't walk you won't be a superstar.

File: messi tiro libre eeuu.webm (2MB, 960x540px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 960x540px

luckswing lmao

>>75938426
Hitting major league stuff.

Hand eye coordination & quick twitch levels off the charts.

>>75939257
Jeter and Ichiro never had much power.

>>75939229
You would say that Juninho had a 33% conversion rate? Even though, our friends say that 33% conversion rate at hitting a baseball is very average. A football player with the same rate at scoring direct free kicks would be worth 200 millions

File: lW3JHBe.jpg (148KB, 650x847px) Image search: [Google]

148KB, 650x847px

>>75939229
Yeah, Pjanic's conversion rate is amazing.

>>75939498
Why are you comparing one specific aspect of shooting to all of hitting?

>>75939529
Because that's my original question.
>what is harder, hitting a baseball or scoring a direct free kick?

>>75938426
what is harder?
sitting on the bench (baseball) or stealing the ball while playing defense (any real sport)?

>>75938760
Is the qt supposed to distract us from your autism?

Think about it this way the best batters in the world bat around .300. That means they're going to get out 7 out of the 10 times they go to the plate

>>75939579
Best free kick taker in the world fails to score 8 out of every 10 times

see >>75939504

>>75938426

Look at some of the best free kick takers in the world to see their conversion percentage be compare that to .300

You'll get you're answer.

Hitting a ball isn't the hard part hitting a ball into play is

>>75939558

Yes scoring a free kick is harder than hitting a baseball but I'd like to see the conversion rates for homeruns too

>>75939645
They probably mean getting a base hit but it's fucked up that they frame it as "the hardest thing to do in sports" when there is the home run in the same sport lol

>that season yaya scored every other free kick

>>75939675
Not to mention the HR percentage is skewed from the steroid era.

File: a real home run.gif (2MB, 775x481px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 775x481px

>>75939651
This post answers that >>75938760

Best free kick conversion rate in the best soccer league (2016-17): 8.02%

Best home run rate in the best baseball league (2016): 7.6%

Almost the same. Although tbf, this doesn't include the times that Trumbo was intentionally walked.....

>>75938493
If you're talking about simply making contact, ball hitting bat, hitting a baseball is easier. If we're talking MLB and you're trying for a hit, MLB is harder. You can't simulate the feel of a 95mph fastball coming at you and not wanting to flinch away

>>75938426
Hitting a base hit in baseball is harder than a direct freekick. This is a better analogy.

Scoring a direct freekick is about as difficult as scoring a base hit, except a base hit will go through 2-5 players who can catch it and throw it for your out. You have to maneuver around players with your swing while interpreting the throw from the pitcher correctly.

>>75938579
you're good at baseball if you get a hit in maybe 30% of your 600 at bats

>>75939762
>Hitting a base hit in baseball is harder than a direct freekick. This is a better analogy.

Then why are batting averages so much higher than free kick conversion rates?

>>75939764
You're a good free kick taker if you score maybe 8% of your 212 attempts.

>>75939781
Because the best players in baseball have hand eye coordination

>>75939781
>Then why are batting averages so much higher than free kick conversion rates?

Excuse me.

>IS hitting a base hit in baseball harder than a direct freekick? this is a better analogy

I went on to say

>Scoring a direct freekick is about as difficult as scoring a base hit.

But in baseball you have many types of base hits. The most difficult being a Grand Slam (3 hits/walks and a homerun with the bases loaded).

I've seen 1 grand slam from my team in about 2 years.

>>75939799
But if you can specify the type of base hit, can't you also specify the type of direct free kick? Like a grand slam would be the equivalent of scoring from 40 yards out.

What about saving penalties?

>>75940023
Is that even really a skill? That's like hitting a halfcourt shot.

>>75940125
i dot know what an haf court shot is, but yes it's a skill

>>75940144
It's the basketball equivalent of doing this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUPiC3PzeNA

>>75940164
Oh ok, yes there are keepers that are penalties specialists. A famous example is when Van Gaal subbed the keeper in a few seconds before the penalties in the WC quarters in 2014, just because Krul was a specialist

>>75938763
Well that's because there are at the minimum 27 chances to hit a baseball, but you can go a whole game and not have a single free kick in shooting range

>>75939903
>Like a grand slam would be the equivalent of scoring from 40 yards out.

A grand slam is a "Stars aligning" type situation so maybe, in a sense, yes, but you it requires at least 2-3 actual base hits followed up with a homerun.

Grand Slam is 3 base hits in 1, including a homerun. All in succession of one another.

>>75940317
Either way though, the percentage of free kicks scored is incredibly low. The best player in the world is scoring like 8% of the time from those.

>>75940317
>you can go a whole game and not have a single free kick in shooting range

Don't think I've ever seen that happen tbqh

>>75938760
Actually being unbiased and citing sources on 4chan? Wtf thanks

File: oit9mu0v5LqzC.gif (165KB, 400x324px) Image search: [Google]

165KB, 400x324px

>>75938760

>>75939498
>A football player with the same rate at scoring direct free kicks would be worth 200 millions

Imagine a player who actually could score 33% of his free kicks. Like is Messi did that, he would have an additional 70 goals over his past 5 seasons.

>>75940702

*like if

File: neymar.jpg (21KB, 300x368px) Image search: [Google]

21KB, 300x368px

>>75938760
>American stats autism being applied to soccer

I like it

>>75938760
you forget that in boreball all players have to bat but in football only the freekick specialists get to do the job.

File: BrsDbzc.jpg (82KB, 1080x720px) Image search: [Google]

82KB, 1080x720px

>>75940796
Right, that's why I was comparing the best hitter in the best league to the best free kick taker in the best league. It wouldn't be fair to compare average MLB players to Lionel Messi.

>>75940386
But baseball players have 4-5 pitches to get a hit while soccer players only get 1 attempt per free kick. I'm curious what the number of hits per pitches is since that would be a better comparison than At bats for this question

>>75938760
But Messi isn't even the best free-kick taker so this analysis is flawed from the get-go

You should compare all-time greatest free kick-takers with all-time greatest batters

File: OB2tz1Y.jpg (156KB, 1080x1307px) Image search: [Google]

156KB, 1080x1307px

>>75941458
Holy shit, that is a really good point. The average numbers of pitches per plate appearance is about 3.8. So if we look at Daniel Murphy, even though he had 531 at bats, he actually had roughly 2018 chances to get a hit. And in those 2018 chances, he got a hit 184 times.

A conversion rate of 9.1%, compared to Lionel Messi's 8.02% conversion rate. So hitting a baseball is basically as difficult as scoring from a direct free kick, we're talking about a 1% difference.

http://calltothebullpen.mlblogs.com/2015/07/20/king-of-irrelevant-offensive-statistics-pitches-per-plate-appearance/

http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/batting/_/year/2016/order/true

Also, this drives the home run conversion rate even further down. Trumbo had 47 home runs on 613 at bats, meaning that he had roughly 2329 chances to get a home run, and only did so 2% of the time.

>>75941608
>But Messi isn't even the best free-kick taker

Messi is the best free-kick taker in the best league, the Spanish soccer league. I'm not considering inferior leagues because they have players of inferior quality.

Also, all-time stats are misleading, because all sports change so dramatically over the years. Better to compare stats from recent years.

Probably a freekick

>>75938426
hitting a baseball =/= getting a hit, just for clarity

Sure you can make contact, but hitting a baseball into play is harder

>>75938426
My dicc is harder than ever ugggghhh

>>75941714
I always assumed that "hitting a baseball" meant "getting a hit". Any random asshole can make contact, even NL pitchers can foul off fastballs a few times.

Should be pointed out that batting average measures hits per at bat, not per pitch. Both acts are incredibly difficult

>>75939498
.333 in baseball is great, not average

>>75941656
>>75941458
Damn, pretty interesting.

>>75941656
makes sense to me
batting average as a whole was .255 last season with 3.88 pitches per plate appearance, so 6.57% of pitches ended up as hits.

like 5% of free kicks are scored right? so pretty similar

>>75938493
anyway, that's obviously not true, plenty of things harder to do than hitting a baseball or scoring a free kick even in these sports themselves. like hitting a home run or scoring direct from a corner kick etc.

File: 147989727069.png (108KB, 400x381px) Image search: [Google]

108KB, 400x381px

>>75941683
shit b8

>>75939498
33% for a season is like 15-20 goals, very good but a few players will get it most years.

>>75942289
How is bait? It's a fact.

>>75942660
Right, but those players wouldn't be getting 15-20 goals in total from a season. Imagine if Ronaldo or Messi were getting 15-20 from free kicks alone in a season. They would be scoring 55+ per season total, because they're already scoring 40. Or even take a decent striker, like Kane/Icardi/Dybala. they would be scoring 35-40 goals per season instead of 20-25.

>luckswing
>hard

>>75941656
Plate appearances would also be a better metric to use than at bats since it would include walks, hit by pitches and sacrifices. Daniel Murphy had 582 plate appearances in 2016 which means he had roughly 2212 chances to get a hit, so he hit 8.3% of pitches.

This is a little misleading though, since it includs intentional walks (not really viable pitches to hit) and sacrifices (not going for a hit so much as trying tp put the ball deep enough for teammates to score).

hitting a golf ball perfect

>>75943708
Taking the Masters course and results from this year, Sergio Garcia had 279 total strokes in the 4 rounds and made it into the hole 72 times. This means he made the shot on 25.8% of strokes.

>golf confirmed for babby tier difficulty
:^)

>>75938426
Depends what kind of pitch desu.

File: rafa benitez.jpg (32KB, 512x512px) Image search: [Google]

32KB, 512x512px

>>75941656

I think you guys have all misinterpreted the statement. A soccer player does not spend a huge portion of time practicing free kicks right? They practice passing, offenses, defense, shooting, free kicks, corners etc right?

A baseball hitter will spend a majority of their practice time practicing hitting as a youth all the way up till the majors. Thats how you get there. To be an elite hitter you have to swing every day, before I blew out my shoulder my goal was 100 swings a day, and I know that their are people taking many more than that. How many free kicks does an elite soccer player take? Furthermore basballers have many more attempts at getting a hit. Multiple pitches per AB and multiple AB's per game.

I think what the statement was about is that the actual act of getting a hit in basball is more difficult but more essential to the game, which is why its disproportionately practiced and thus you see these greater success rates.

Free kick skill is transferrable from other skills, and not that important to the outcome of any game so I feel like people would just practice it much less.

Don't even get me started on how hard it is to get your swing consistently hitting line drives/to the right areas/for power. They all require huge practice and technique themselves.

>>75938426
if you mean get a hit (not getting out) then baseball is harder because while a lot of people could make mere contact with some luck, to actually not foul or ground out should technically be humanly impossible due to our reaction time.

>>75938793
If you want a comparison to Messi then look at Mike Trout, who is quite possibly the best baseball player to ever live. If you want a CR then look at Bryce Harper who is comparable to Mike. They lack a rivalry like how Messi and CR have though, and Mike's team isn't as good as Bryce because you can't really carry a team alone in baseball although Mike Trout is almost doing exactly that.

>>75944451
>I think what the statement was about is that the actual act of getting a hit in basball is more difficult but more essential to the game, which is why its disproportionately practiced and thus you see these greater success rates.

Actually, success rates are about the same. For the best player in the best baseball league, getting a hit has a 9% success rate. For the best player in the best soccer league, scoring from a direct free kick has an 8% success rate.

See >>75941656 for sources

>>75938426
Depends on who's pitching the baseball and who's defending the kick.

Hitting a baseball is one of the hardest things to do in sports, as it's a skillbased movement, nothing that tons of muscle will provide an edge for.

>>75944472
>>75941656
Ehh I don't really trust that, since you are including balls in that metric. Literal no swings you know? I'd say just consider strikes, but even then players don't swing at every strike based on a variety of factors. It really should be hits per swing desu, but then you aren't taking into account when the pitcher beats you and you take a strike you don't want to take. How many times on a free kick do you just miss the ball? Or the ref say you're done without you attempting the kick you know?

There's no real objective way to measure which is harder that I can see, I'm just trying to show him why people consider hitting a baseball so fucking hard. The only reason anyone can hit MLB pitching is insane amounts of practice and talent.

>>75944534
Sure, but you also have to count free kicks taken from absurd distances where they have no business taking free kicks. How many times have we seen Ronaldo go for it from 35 yards out?

>>75944576
yeah see this is what I mean, you're never going to prove which is harder with stats.

>>75944534
While I agree with you that counting only strikes would be more accurate, how many times do players get a hit on a pitch that was a ball? Also not counting pitches were the batter doesn't swing doesn't make sense. One of the reasons getting a hit is so hard is because pitchers have an arsenal of pitches and placement just to trick batters into not swinging.

>>75938493
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMVXjRGTtG0

What about conversion rates for scoring from a direct free kick, but taking into account non specialists as well? It would be lower than with specialists only

It depends on how far is the freekick. If it's around 40 meters then it's harder

This might be the nicest debate or research or whatever so, I've read on sp

>>75938426
Hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do in any sport

>>75938481
considering a 90mph fastball takes 0.3 seconds to reach home plate, hitting the baseball is more difficult. Far more difficult.