Who else has already resigned to the fact Real Madrid will win

halal shill thread

>>75839376
It's up to Dybala desu. He needs the game of his life and that could be enough.

>>75839620
Literally who?

>>75839620
Yes VAMOS

>>75839414
Nah OP is obviously playing multidimensional chess and trying to jinx Real.

>>75839376
Why are you so sure about that? /sp/ called anyone who said Juve are among the top European teams deluded as recently as previous summer /trans/ and it seems this underestimation continues despite them being in CL Final.
You do realize Juve are far, far stronger than Atletico now, right? It's a 50/50 match

Buffon > Navas
Alves > Carvajal (who isn't likely to play anyway)
Bonucci > Ramos
Chiellini > Varane
Sandro = Marcelo
Khedira < Casemiro
Pjanic < Kroos
Dybala > Modric
Mandzukic < CR7
Cuadrado < Isco
Higuain > Benzema

Seems pretty equal to me, and obviously Juve have superior tactics (as well as history of choking finals though)

>>75839376
JUVE WILL WIN EASY

>>75840740

You can play these games all you want, it's Juventus vs Juventus in Juventus Stadium in the city of Juventus.

Only Juventus can beat Juventus this year. You belittled it against Porto, Barcelona, Monaco got his teeth knocked in too, Real had it easy so far mostly because of luck, first even game they face in the whole fucking competition.

It's like ACM vs Juventus in 2003. ACM didn't deserve to be there, they completely lucked their way through while Juventus muscled through, and only a miracle can help RMA win. We'll see.

>>75840783
Agreed 100% on everything, that's why I ended the post with "history of choking". The quality is there to win, Allegri is the best tactician in the world now but in finals these aspects go out of the window often, and if Madrid are known for anything it's winning finals.
Just pointing out Juve's loss isn't already written in stone like OP claims

Halal's strikers don't choke if a chance presents itself. Meanwhile, Juve has Higuain and Mandzukic. It's also Dybala's first real test, he'll probably be pretty nervous. This alone tips the scales heavily in Halal's favour, I really don't think Juve can beat them at all.

>>75840740
>Dybala > Modric
>kek

>>75840783
You are too vulnerable for headers. Buffon, as good as he is, is way too cautious in crossings and basically never intercepts them. Bonucci is bad with heading, and Chiellini is okay, but not great. Meanwhile Real has argueably the two best headers in the world in their team (Tsu and Ramos). This might break your neck. Otherwise Juve should win this.

>>75840740
>Alves>Carvajal
>Sandro=Marcelo
>Dybala>Modric
>Higuaín>Benzema

>>75839376
I'm tired of mouthbreathers talking about football.

Why do you think you can make threads while being this stupid?

>>75840880
>Mandzukic
>choker
He already scored in CL final, when Bayern won in 2013. He's like diet Drogba - not scoring much in league or easier matches but clutch as fuck when it matters. Plus Higuain will be motivated to make up for the final-choking reputation with NT and cuck Madrid who decided to keep Benzeshit instead, it could be his match if he's adjusted well psychologically. Before the Monaco matches he had atrocious record in knockout fixtures, so that mental block is gone.
>Dybala's first real test
I'd say that was Barcelona, and we know how he did then

>>75840887
>>75840921
Dybala is the best offensive playmaker right now, if you watched the last game you would know.

>>75840740
>Sandro = Marcelo
>Dybala > Modric
>Higuain > Benzema
Nice bait, here's another (You)

>>75840887
>le seething non-Juve fan being so butthurt he didn't notice Modric has been out of form for a while now
Not really comparable positions anyway since Dybala is a CAM in 4-2-3-1 and Modric CM in 4-3-3, but for the sake of comparing all players he's better right now
>>75840921
What's wrong, FIFA 17 ratings claim otherwise?

If Real can't win it on their own you know the refs will help out.

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>>75840958
>Dybala is the best offensive playmaker right now

>>75840958
Modric is the best midfielder right now, if you watched the last game you would know.

>>75839376
There's literally no chance we don't win. We are simply perfect. Tsu.

>>75840972
>Modric has been out of form for a while now

he had like 1 bad game 4 weeks ago, he completely destroyed Atletico, yesterday especially, he was basically making fun of them

>>75840972
modric is the best CM and Marcelo is the best LB. Dybala and Sandro aren't close to them at all lol

>>75839622
Here she is again.

>implying florentino did not already buy this trophy months ago

Lol. It's like you niggas want to torture yourselves with this delusional shit. Real madrid will be the champions, and the refs will make sure that it happens.

>>75840943
Don't forget how Higuain also scored against Napoli with basically all the Stadium insulting him.
>>75840970
>>75840958

>>75840983
>>75841015
>I don't watch Football games, I get all my knowledge from /sp/
>>75840985
But I did, contrary to you. Dybala literally created like half a dozen occasions and managed the game amazingly. Real Madrid lost the game and scored one lucky goal.

>>75840972
Modric is literally the second best player in the world

>>75841071
And the first is Dybala.
Your point?

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>>75841005
More like 3 bad games in a row, don't get me wrong I still rate him among the best in the world but currently Dybala can be more decisive, especially in a #10 role
>>75841015
Pic related makes one think. Sandro is thrice the player in defence and there isn't a huge difference offensively either

>>75841070
If you watch any madrid game, you would know that modric is the best player in the team by far, marcelo, and carvajal coming close.

>>75840943
Mandzukic's problem is not choking, but his overall ability. He's just not that good.

>Plus Higuain will be motivated to make up for the final-choking reputation with NT and cuck Madrid who decided to keep Benzeshit instead, it could be his match if he's adjusted well psychologically. Before the Monaco matches he had atrocious record in knockout fixtures, so that mental block is gone.
I know he scored and all, but you're forgetting two facts. First, he missed a lot of good opportunities and second, Monaco's not known for its ability to defend. I know neither is Real Madrid but their defence is still a lot better than Monaco's. Higuain may have had plenty of chances against Monaco but he'll probably get only one or two against Halal if he's lucky. I wouldn't bet on him scoring them.

>I'd say that was Barcelona, and we know how he did then
Barcelona is shit this season, though. They're inconsistent and their midfield is useless. Their defence was never that good to begin with so without a functional midfield to set their strikers they became easy prey to any decent team.

>>75841071
Again, they don't even play in comparable positions but there wasn't a choice for another couple since the teams use 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3 respectively.
If we think of them as primary creative outlets, Dybala produces more chances and key passes (disregarding goals). Naturally, Modric in CM position contributes in defence and makes more total passes to retain possession

>>75841094
But Real Madrid is a mediocre team with great players, what's your point?
Being the best Madrid player doesn't make him better than Dybala.
>>75841136
They're both playmakers.

>>75840740
>Alves > Carvajal
>Bonucci > Ramos
>Sandro = Marcelo
>Dybala > Modric
>Higuain > Benzema
L M A O
M
A
O

>>75841139
Lol are you serious?
Modric had been teaching europe how to play football for the past four seasons, he is the key why madrid is so dominating in the league and champions.

Bookies have it at around 55%-45% (for Real).

>>75841136
Come on Marek, you're trying to compare Dybala with literally the best CM in the world
Then again you are a stat wanker, I'm surprised baseball isn't your main sport

To be fair I think Juve will win. Ramos-Varane is nowhere near Bonucci-Chiellini and that will bbe the difference.

>>75840778
Let's just nuke these cities and declare based Liverpool (91% whites) the capital

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>>75840740
>Alves > Carvajal (who isn't likely to play anyway)
>Sandro = Marcelo
>Dybala > Modric
>Higuain > Benzema

(you)

>>75841128
That's why I stated Mandzukic < CR7 earlier, no debate about that. But the Croat definitely isn't someone who would shit his pants and waste chances in final, he's already proved that.
>(Higuain) missed a lot of good opportunities
He had 5 chances over both legs, converting two. Where does the myth that strikers are shit unless they have 95% success rate come from? Neither do CR7, Messi, Suarez or Lewandovski.
>Barcelona is shit this season
For a shit team, they certainly are giving Real a close chase in the league. Not to mention Juve BTFO'd them completely and they proceeded to defeat Real at home.

>>75841181
I'm comparing their creativity, where Dybala wins comfortably. If it weren't for the different formations, Modric's counterpart would be Pjanic and there it would be Pjanic < Modric, just like Pjanic < Kroos. Both Real CMs are absolute world class, no one denies it

>>75841166
Woah! You're telling me Real Madrid dominated La Liga, by not even winning it?
Astounding!

The only reason why they won the first CL was a header by Ramos, doesn seem to me like Modric decided the match.
As for the second one, with all the players they have it would be a crime not to.

Fuck off, burger.
>>75841181
Have you seen how Dybala creates amazing passes while pressed? Sure, it was Monaco but that game was amazing.

>>75841294
I'm thinking you're a bit biased

Performance wise Juve are way superior
On the other hand RM are just too fucking lucky and have the ref on their side
I'd say Juve still edges it

>>75841332
madrid bench warmer hames is a better dybala

Yes, I've accepted it. There's nothing we can do now. It's unavoidable.

>>75841071
He isnt even better than Kroos right now

>>75841336
How exactly? You can look up the assists, key passes and chances created yourself, no need to spam the thread with squawka charts.
>>75841364
Yeah, not really lad

>>75841352
Lets be fair, Madrid's historical record proves they have final-winning mentality in the long term, something Juve lack. It's up to Allegri and his team to translate their quality, tactics and performances over the entire season into one last great match.

>>75841128
>Barcelona is shit this season
And yet they have the same points as Refdrid
I dont know how one is shit and the other is great when they have the same points
Refdrid are as mediocre as Barca

>>75841364
Pffffhahahahaha. No.

It's amazing how delusional customers are. The thought that some other team can have world clas players is simply heresy for them, they won't accept it..

>>75841332
But have you actually watch them play?

How do you know that modric is average when you clearly never watch them play?

E baffanculo, stronzatto

>>75840740
>Sandro = Marcelo
>this is the bandwagoner that calls other bandwagoners deluded

K E K
E
K

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>Halal

>Getting passed BBBC

>>75841527
Go away with your leliga horseshit, we're talking about CL and CL final here

>>75841294
Your autism when it comes to formations and stats is incredible. Why are you even comparing Dybala and Modric? Why do they need a counterpart?

>>75841707
--> >>75841082
Also the Europa League starts in more two hours, no need to be triggered yet paki

>>75841755
It shows how inferior Mandril are to Barca
>best Mandril in ages
>still cant surpass the worst Barca since 2007
A couple fluke tournaments wont change shit

>>75840740
More like

Navas < Buffon
Carvajal > Alves
Ramos > Chiellini
Varane < Bonucci
Marcelo > Sandro
Casemiro < Khedira
Kroos > Pjanic
Modric > Dybala
CR7 > Mandzukic
Isco > Cuadrado
Benzema > Higuain
Zidane > Allegri

8 > 4

>>75841776
Just for the sake of ">" comparison of all the players involved posted earlier, said four times already their positions are different. Doesn't change the fact Dybala is a better creator than Modric while also posing goalscoring threat

R.MAdrid B would shit over Jewve.The only thing that can stop us is Bale and Benzema

>>75841828
they couldn't even beat barcelona home with the liga on the line and got kicked out of copa by celta, they are quite shit

>>75841828
>best Mandril in ages
>still cant surpass the worst Barca since 2007
This is the best Barça team in history.Granted their golden generation is dying but it is way better than anything that Juventus has ever produced

>>75841839
No

>>75841839
>Carvajal > Alves
>Ramos > Chiellini
>Zidane > Allegri
>Zidane > Allegri
>Zidane > Allegri
Seriously??

>>75841839
>Casemiro < Khedira

>>75841880
>Carvajal > Alves
>Ramos > Chiellini
not even a debate

>Zidane > Allegri
1 CL > 0 CL

>>75841828
>if Messi gets shit on then its a fluke tournament
ok pizzaiolo

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>>75841872
>way better than Juventus
>3:0 (on aggregate)

>>75841880
>>Carvajal > Alves
>>Ramos > Chiellini
>>Zidane > Allegri
This is objective.Serie A is a mickey mouse league and Ramos and Carvajal are the GOATs in their position while Chiellini and Alves belong in the residence

>>75841872
No it's the worst since the pre Guardiola with the exception of maybe 2013 (where they still finished ahead of Halal)
And they cant hold a candle to Lippi's Juve anyway

>>75841896
>No Busquets
>Counting
This deluded customer.
>>75841909
>they cant hold a candle to Lippi's Juve anyway
This delusion

>>75841902
>>75841889
L'ing my A off

dont @ me

>>75839376
>and be the first team to win two in a row?

What's Ajax winning three in a row?

>>75841848
>Doesn't change the fact Dybala is a better creator than Modric while also posing goalscoring threat

No shit. Dybala is forward and Modric is a midfielder. You can make those kinds of arbitrary comparisons about any player in the world to reach whatever conclusion you want. James Rodriguez is a more creative player than Modric. Doesn't make him a better or more effective player.

>>75841902
Exactly. Since when a Lel liga reject is better than Carvajal aka the best rb in the world?

>muh the flag
I won't lie just because i'm an hue

>>75841889
lol Zidane isnt worth a toe of Allegri and Allegri isnt exactly great
Zidane is just a caretaker, he had no input on the team

>>75841680
>How do you know that modric is average when you clearly never watch them play?
No one in this thread has said anything resembling that.
Modric is amazing. Dybala is better.
>>75841872
>it is way better than anything that Juventus has ever produced
Bwwhahahahahahha.
How fucking delusional can you be?
Juventus WAS 90's football.
>>75841839
Cuadrado doesn't even play right now.
Shows how people don't even watch Juve games.


Goddamn I can't wait for stupid customers to get completely BTFO by real Football, the final can't come soon enough.
But I guess people this stupid will find a way to disregard Juve even after they win.

>>75841928
It's the same serbian retard, why even discuss.

>>75841909
>And they cant hold a candle to Lippi's Juve anyway
AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAA

>>75841825
>getting triggered because someone called you a bandwagoner

Calm down lad.

>>75841943
>Cuadrado doesn't even play right now.
>Shows how people don't even watch Juve games.

LMAO tell it to the serbian retard. I just used the same players he listed.

>>75841928
Dybala is a trequartista, nigger. An offensive playmaker. They're both playmakers.

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>>75841889
Hmm.
>Ramos > Chiellini
Except Ramos should be compared to Bonucci, since they're both the ball-playing defenders of their teams with more limited partner next to them. Somehow I don't believe that even Madrid fans are going to claim Ramos > Bonucci

Stop comparing their players. Juventus are final chokers and Halal are fucking winners. it doesn't matter if Juventus has the best defence in the world, they can't just score one goal and park the bus, RM can score literally in every fucking way, even offside.

>>75841453
If Juve lose it might not be about mentality. They might just not be good enough. Plenty of fairly average teams reach CL finals.

>>75841972
Kek fucking this.

>>75841924
>irrelevant teams
>counting

>>75841892
Do you realize that Donaldo is going to get shit on aswell?
Juve silenced the highest scoring and the second highest scoring attacks this year, there's no way Madrid can be a bigger threat than Barca

>>75841950
>it's the gypsy bandwagoner again
>>75841972
>Juve parks the bus
Never did this in a single game for a long time.

>>75841950
t. underage

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That Juve team didn't even sweat this edition.

>Porto with 10 man in both legs
>Worst Barcelona of the last 15 years
>A meme team that only went so far because they faced Meme City & Blowrussia Dortmund

Easy win for Real 2bh.

>>75841968
Go ahead and google "Dybala position" lad. I'll save you the trouble, it'll say "Forward". Check wiki and it'll call him a versatile forward. Check transfermarkt, and he's labelled as a second striker. Comparing Dybala's output to Modric's is stunningly retarded.

>>75841913
The same Busquets who played when Barcelona lost 4:0 to >PSG? Or in the second leg against Juventus when Barcelona STILL had less shots on targets than Juve?
>>75841928
>Dybala is forward
Hasn't been one for a while, like Luigi says >>75841968 he's a playmaker. Otherwise you're just pointing out what's been said for the fifth time already - only compared because lack of options.

>>75841868
Indeed, but as long as they keep rigging their way to CL finals plebs will rate them

>>75842015
>Worst Barcelona of the last 15 years
>They are still better than Halal
Juve got this

>>75841980
>the state of the post
None "average" teams have reached CL Final in years, none.

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>>75842049
>Halal playing with the B team is still tied with Barcelona but with a game in hand
>Somehow Barcelona is better

Great logic, Luiggi.

>>75842027
Are you stupid by chance?
He IS a forward, he's been playing as a playmaker this whole year. That's why he's scoring much less.

>>75842069
Modric plays in a line of 3 man, how is that comparable with the tetraquartista role?

>>75841990
Real have turned relentless crossing into an art-form. It's a completely different threat to Barca. Barca rely on Messi playing incredible passes to break down defences. Madrid play a percentage game; battering opposition teams into submission with crosses into a guy that's probably the best header of a ball ever. I fancy them to score at least once.

>>75842027
Has Dybala ever played as CM? Of course not, he's as CAM with creative, not scoring duty. That's not a "forward" by any stretch of imagination. Would you call Mata or David Silva forwards?

>>75842065
>worst barcelona in 10 years
>same points as best madrid in 15 years
Wow so this is the power of the Great Real Madrid

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>>75842092
Real Madrid "B", you forgot

Juve's hopes rely on Pjanic; if he plays like he has, the CL is theirs

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>>75842030
Dybala is a forward. Squaka has him listed as a forward.

You'd think that watching him every week you'd realise what position he plays.

>>75842079
Because they both have, partially, the same task.
I didn't compare them initially but Dybala has been much more decisive as a player than Modric in CL.

So this is the Slovak bandwaggoner at his finest. Got it.

>>75842121
But Dybala plays in a line of 3 man? Do you have 3 tetraquartistas? Now thats choking coming from Allegri

>>75842095
You mean they played the whole season with the reserves?
Do you know that I'm talking of a 35 games sample?

>>75842085
Oh yes a team who's only gameplan is to hoof it into the box, what a treat

>>75839376

>you just know that Real will find a way to win anyway

You mean REFBALL

>>75842135
>>75842129
Yes, just look at the apps. Kovavic has more games than Casemiro ffs.

>>75842095
Real Madrid A didn't play in La Liga this year?
>>75842120
So you actually trust stats more than reality? You are stupid, in the end.
>>75842134
What?
Actually, yes, he plays in a line of 3, Mandzukic, Dybala and Alves/Cuadrado.

>>75842120
Dybala was a striker previous season, before Higuain was bought and still played in that position some games earlier this season, websites aren't going to change the player classification during the year. Juventus use 4-2-3-1 and 3-4-1-2 now, he's the playmaking CAM in both formations.

>>75841839
Close, but this is more accurate

Navas < Buffon
Carvajal > Alves
Ramos > Chiellini
Varane < Bonucci
Marcelo > Sandro
>Casemiro > Khedira
Kroos > Pjanic
>Modric = Dybala
CR7 > Mandzukic
Isco > Cuadrado
Benzema > Higuain
>Zidane > Allegri

And rating Juve's defense by themselves is wrong, as a BBC they are far stronger than Madrid's defense.

I expect that Juve will put a lot of pressure on Madrid, but will end up conceding, just not too many goals. 1 maybe, I would be surprised if 2.
You can take it for granted that Juve's defense will show up, but so will Madrid's forwards.

I predict a 2-1 result no matter who wins.

>>75842159
>Actually, yes, he plays in a line of 3, Mandzukic, Dybala and Alves/Cuadrado.

Kek, but Modric doesn't play in a line of Bale-Benzema-TSU m8.

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>>75842158
Kek, can't argue with that actually

>>75842158
lol fuck off idiot at least use a believeable excuse, >muh b team is pathetic expecially when talking about a full season

>>75842191
>arguments: 0
>shitposts: 1

>>75842199
>being THIS triggered

lmao they will win la liga anyway m8

>>75842056
Lots of relatively average teams reach CL finals. They get schooled by the opposition when they get there. It's the nature of flukey tournaments - they're unfair, weaker teams often face off against each other and progress whilst strong teams take each other out. Recent (relatively) average sides to reach CL finals:

>Juventus 2015
>Man Utd 2011
>Bayern 2010
>Liverpool 2007

If Juventus don't win this final it'll probably be because they're not good enough to win it.

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>>75842226
>Juventus 2015

>>75839376
>you just know that Real will find a way to win anyway

the refs*** will find a way to win it for Real

I want Juventus to win it mostly cause of Buffon but with Higuain playing it looks like it's gonna be more heartbreak and tears.

>>75842224
>they
Are you keeping the distance already?
Prepared for the inevitable zeru tituli?

barring refball jewe is slight favourites
>>75842156

WE
GOING
STRAIGHT
TO
THE
WILD
WILD
WEST

>>75842188
Your point?
THEY ARE BOTH PLAYMAKERS.

Go on, keep ignoring this fact.
>>75842226
Sure, Juve was much weaker than Barca in 2015 but they didn't fucking "school" us. They barely managed to win. I don't count the last goal because, you know, we were one goal behind and it was the CL final and they scored at 97'.

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>>75842247
>zeru tituli

Oh so we are talking about Buffon now? You changed the subject so quickly

>>75842183
Care to explain how Bonucci is worse than Ramos, Alves than Carvajal, Sandro tha Marcelo and Higuain than Benzema?
You can't compare managers like that either, or are you going to claim that fucking >mouyes is better than Zidane or Allegri right now?

>>75842120
>squaka
this is why english football is fucked

dybala is playing as CAM this season

>>75842280
Now tell it to that serbian retard who uses squawka at every post.

>>75842274
No I'm talking about Halal choking lelliga and losing the CL

>>75842171
Squaka, wiki and every other stat site says otherwise. I don't think they'd have a problem with changing a player's position mid season. They did so with Bale years ago at Tottenham.

Juve should be the team repeating.
Fucking Bayern meming their way back from 0-2 down.

>>75842298
>losing the CL

Now why are you talking about Juventus aka eternal permachokers?

is there a more overrated nigger than Dibala?

>>75842226
>Juventus 2015
>average team
The last team that didn't rank among the best at the time and still reached final was Manure in 2011, so that's 6 years. The fact Juve made it twice in three years proves they're very far from "not good enough", because in the eventual case of second loss it would be to the best team in Europe in both cases.
Your entire reasoning doesn't make sense

>>75842280
Retard. Squawka is the most objective way to rate virtually every aspect of football.

Dybala is a forward. Deal with it. He's labelled as forward last season, a forward this season and he'll be labelled a forward next season.

>>75842329
Yeah, the one Juve got rid of.

Juventus are going to be up 1-0 in the 89th minute and then Ramos will score a clutch header. Then Kroos will score a blooter in extra time. Then to cap it off Tsunaldo will score a meaningless penalty and take his shirt off for all the casuals and grills to swoon over despite the fact he was anonymous for most of the match.

Final score: Madrid 3 - 1 Juventus

>>75842316
>permachokers
Just like Donaldo in the finals

>>75842329
>>75842345
>Still triggered by based Pogba

Lol morons

I want Juventus to win to see the gypsy's butthurt.

>>75842278
I screwed up with the managers, I meant to change it to favor Allegri. He's better than Zidane, if anything he's more experienced for sure.
Higuaín is a choker, and blew huge opportunities during the Barsa game.
Marcelo is just better, Sandro will not create goal opportunities for Juve.
Bonucci isn't able to do as many things as Ramos, but if you read my post you would see that I still rate Juve's BBC better.
Dani Alves being worse than Carvajal is arguable, on a second thought I should have rated them as equals.

>>75842332
I don't give a shit what your retarded site labels a player that I have watched 50 times this season lol

>>75842316
>win 2 CL
>chokers
Tell me what's the percentage of teams in the Euro national leagues who won at least 2 CL. I'm waiting.
>>75842329
Yes, you when people rate your posts.
>>75842299
Dear god, no one can be THIS stupid.
Dybala is a forward but he's been playing as a trequartista the whole season. What's so hard to understand?
Why do you care so much about what an internet site says about him instead of watching his actual position in games?

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>>75842353
>Just like Donaldo in the finals
He literally won a final ONE year ago

>>75842379
By being invisible just like in 2014 and the euros

Why Juventus fanbase is so retarded? I always thought that Real or Barcelona will have this honour, but every day shows that Juventus fans are the worse.

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>>75842369
Nottingham Forest

>>75842379
After doing nothing for most of the game.

>>75842361
>Alves is better than Carvajal in a four man backline

Yeah, sure...

>>75842331
This Juve team is completely different from the one from two years ago. I think you've said as much yourself. This team has a completely revamped attack and midfield. The 2015 side were nowhere near Barca (or Bayern) that season.

>>75842271
Barca beat them by the same score line they beat a really shit Man Utd side in 2011. Juventus were barely in that 2015 final. They were completely outclassed, just as Man Utd were at Wembley. Both score lines flattered Juve and Utd.

>>75842404
>Juventus fans

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>>75842294
You only dislike stats when they prove both Sandro and Alves have been far superior to Marcelo and Carvajal this season, both domestically and in CL.
>>75842332
Kek, I see the stat-bullying PTSD'd you hard, poor paki.
>>75842299
>They did so with Bale years ago at Tottenham
Or you're just making this up, unless you can prove it. As said before, he was still a striker next to Higuain during first couple of months but hasn't been used there since about November

>>75842369
>be Madrid
>wins 12 CL
Tell me what's the percentage of teams in the Euro national leagues who won at least 12 CL. I'm waiting.

>>75842404
>Why Juventus fanbase is so retarded?
'cause jewventus bandwagoners are from south italy

>>75842404
But the biggest retards here are Brazil and Romania

>>75842438
You mean Italy

I predict that Alex Sandro will make the first asisst for Higuain and Alves the second. After that Dybala will do a tunnel on Modric and pass to Higuain but Navas will stop him and Dybala will score on the bounce.

3-0 for Juve and /sp/ customers BTFO into oblivion.

At that point I will mastubate gloriously to my favourite JAVs and it will be the most beautiful day of my life.

>>75842444
Huehuehue

Zidane always finds a way

>>75841403
You're such a stat autist it's not even funny anymore

>>75842404
They've got a lot of bandwagoners for some reason. A shitload of Australians and Eastern Europeans "support" them. Juve are trying to improve their customer base even more now with horror stunts like their new badge.

>>75842448
You do realize that Higuaín has never scored in a final, right? At least write something believable

>>75842463
This.

>>75842469
>A shitload of Australians and Eastern Europeans
Really makes you think

/sp/ gamethreads are so autistic these days

>>75842448
Higuain will LITERALLY and I mean LITERALLY miss an open net shot.

>>75842471
Fat Kim Bodnia has awoken in the semifinal at Monaco.
He will now ascend to GOATdom, just like LCIM did before.

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Will he save us from jewve bandwagoners?

>>75842422
>completely revamped attack and midfield
Correct, and they're considerably stronger because of that. But
1) Defence as the cornerstone of Juve's success stayed, with only Alves being new arrival and Sandro becomming starter and reaching world class level
2) The fact Allegri took the team to second final in three years refutes any "luck", "fluke" or "average" arguments

Are Juve fans actually that deluded or all these posts are a meme?

>>75842502
Scoring against small teams and getting your hopes up only to let you down is what he does best

>>75839376

Buffon > Navas
Alex Sandro < Marcelo
Bonucci = Ramos
Chiellini > Varane
Alves < Carvajal
Khedira < Casemiro
Marchisio < Kroos
Pjanic < Modric
Dybala < Isco
Mandzukic < Ronaldo
Cuadrado < Bale
Higuain = Benzema
Barzagli < Nacho
Any other bench player < Asensio, James, Lucas

Madrid will get Bonucci or Chiellini sent off. Its a certainty. The game will be ruined by the 30th minute.

Juventus winning the CL does UEFA and their sponsorship no favours.

>>75842430
>comparing his stats to Modric's when you admit that he's played as a striker this season.
This is just sad now. Sad I tell ya!

The weird thing is that virtually no one doubts that Dybala is a great player, but your autismo brain needs to quantify how good a player is based on spreadsheets, statistics and weird, arbitrary comparisons to players that aren't at all similar.

Are Halal fans actually that deluded or all these posts are a meme?

>>75842408
>percentage
>>75842404
Madrid customers are unsufferable and we want to claim what's ours.
>>75842422
>They were completely outclassed
By winning 2-1 and Juve being denied a penalty?
>>75842435
You mean the same team a weaker Juve beat two years ago?

>>75842520
>small teams
>CL semifinal
'ok'

Anyway, remember when LCIM was labelled a perennial choker? Remember that night at Wembley when that all changed?
This is what will happen with fatboy.

>>75842487
They're chock-full of the most cancerous bandwagoning you can imagine. Exactly like this thread.

>>75842498
t. Crystal Ball
>>75842463
>Dybala is more creative than Modric
>lol no
>He produces more chances, key passes and assists
>lol autism
...

>>75842514
>Are Juve fans actually that deluded or all these posts are a meme?
Just let them believe they are actually going to win, the defeat will be sweeter

>>75842522
>Barzagli < Nacho
Now this is a new one

>>75842528
>>75841081

>>75840778
Would still MUCH rather this than be Spanish

Juventus is overrated. They're little more than literal Barcelona and Real Madrid rejects and italian has-beens that were last in their peak in 2006. Plus Mandzukic, the only real goal threat.

Don't think Halal Madrid will let escape another decima against this serial chokers..

>>75842529
>2-1
3-1
>penalty
ay

>>75842546
>Barzagli won the German league with fucking Wolfsburg
miracle worker

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BLOWN
THE
FUCK
OUT

>>75842514
Are Real fans actually that deluded or all these posts are a meme?

>>75842549
>>75842555

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its time to face the monster you created.

>>75842527
Why do you make me repeat for the 6th time why the comparison was made in the first place? Just scroll up in the thread, unless you have some cognitive difficulties. What we were discussing now is where Dybala has been deployed for majority of the season (and exclusively since late autumn) and it's undoubtedly CAM.

>>75842015
monaco would've smashed both of the madrid teams.
juve are looking solid this year i don't think they'll even break a sweat beating real

People forget that Atletico were beating Madrid until Ramos clutch header. As in had them completely neutralized and were less than 5 minutes away from winning. I see a similar game happening, Juventus get an early goal, park the bus, and then either they go full choke mode or they edge out the 1-0

>>75842581
But he's right, c'mon ragazzi, you know it

>>75840985
Dybala > Modric right now you deluded cunt

10-man Porto in BOTH games, worst Barcelona ever and a fucking meme team
And now they unironically think they're better than Real Madrid

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>>75842562
>60 chances created per game
mamma mia

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I'm gonna score twice and they'll gave me the Ballon d'or right there

>>75842514
Remember, you are dealing with the type of people that have thousands of posts on Juve fan forums and have pictures of Juventus players on their Facebooks.

it's good in a way that UEFA wants to put Italy again in the fold by giving Juve the easiest path to the final, but a final is a final. the strongest team will win in the end.

>>75842599
No he's just deluded and butthurt

>>75842404
they park the bus to a cl final ala atleti and now they actually believe they are on the level of barca/real/bayern, even believing their individual talents are comparable

>>75842522
Only correct answer

>>75842562
>show totals
>Dybala injued for a month and half
Everyone who isn't a complete casual knows Inisgne is having his wonder season now. Also Hamšík has better stats than any CM in the world, including Kroos or Modric. Neither of them are related to CL final though, are they

>l-let's compare single players, guys, that will surely mean something in a team s-sport!!
Juventus have the better team without a doubt.
Real might have the better players, though.

>>75842559
Third goal is irrelevant, it was the 97th minute of a final we were losing by one goal.

Is that what you call being "outclassed"? You have very low standards.

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>>75842623
M8...

>>75842520
>Bayern and Atletico

>>75842631
Halal customers cant think that far m8

I can't live in a world where Ronaldo and real Madrid win the most important trophies back to back.

Especially when it is undeserved.

>>75842606
Oh yeah cause Real Madrid have just been so unbeatable this season.

Literally needed refball to get past Bayern.

Whoever puts the biggest sum in the borown envelope will win.

>>75842630
YEAH BUT LOOK AT THIS SPREADSHEET I GENERATED WHICH COMPARES TWO PLAYERS PLAYING IN COMPLETELY DIFFERENT POSITIONS IN COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SYSTEMS, SURELY THIS IS AN OBJECTIVE WAY OFF COMPARING PLAYERS????

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>>75842624
>they park the bus to a cl final
10 goals in knockout matches alone

>>75842637
>Third goal is irrelevant
Ok you're just retarded, Barcelona raped your ass pretty hard, deal with it.
Enjoy your useless scudetto in a 1-team league and maybe that shitty coppa italia but you'll never win a CL again.

>>75839376

Juve 2-0, you heard it here first

Also
>Pogba

>>75842642
What?
Juve are a better team than Real. Is it so unconceivable for you?

i've seen basically every real madrid match this season, not proud of it. i've also seen some of juve here and there. i can say with certainty juventus will win this match, or at least is the favorite. madrids defense leaves too many holes, and madrid only wins easily with mostly early goals, putting the game out of reach from the start where they can counter, or kind of finding late goals against literally whos (or refball like vs bayern)

can safely say juve can handle everything real can throw at them. whether madrid will play way more defensively in a one-match final and ruin the "attack vs defense" narrative will be another question entirely.

but i have full faith that sidane will continue his cluelessness and play bbc, maybe not play others who deserve to be in and would provide better cover like isco. which in that case juve wins 100%

>>75842631
Welcome to /sp/

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>>75842679
>Juve are a better team than Real.

>>75841364
Dabala has 1 more league goal with 8 more league games played

>>75842695
if juve can beat barca they can beat real and they will

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>>75842663
Kek, chill pal

>>75842670
oink

i dont get the hate for the juve team? this is arguably one of the best lineups, they've look ridiculously solid and they've looked the better side in all their games its not as if they've fluked there way to the final

>>75842695
Yeah a better TEAM
Barca are better than Real too

>>75842679
Of course, it is unconceivable for me and for everyone that isn't a jewventino

>>75842715
>its not as if they've fluked there way to the final
Unlike some other finalists.

>>75841887
The man who doesn't get red cards vs the person no longer in real madrid

>>75842721
>and for everyone that isn't a jewventino
Speak for yourself, Pedro.

>>75842671
You seem exceptionally buttblasted, anon.

Your team keeps choking and doesn't even participate to cups while we're playing the second CL final in 3 years. We lose but we keep going at it, you lose and you keep crying the winner stole the title from you.

>>75842721
Why? Because they have bigger names?
Juve are better as a team and have a much better manager

>>75842688
I'd say you're underestimating Real a lot, but then again I haven't watched them regulary and in Classico for example they showed how more efficient Juve were at dealing with Barca. Anyway it's refreshing to see some other opinion than
>lol Real wins 100% bet your wife's son's college savings on it

>>75842671
t. erick thohir

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>>75842699
>1 less goal
>8 less games
>stronger league
>plays a deeper position
n-no dybala is b-better I swear he would start every game at madrid!

>Tfw Juventus is full of Madrid rejects

This is why I want them to win. Also cause I can't bare the dumb Madrid bandwagoners that have populated this board in recent months.

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>>75842671
Now this is some exceptional seething

>>75842715
Plenty of halal gloryhunters here

>>75841872
>>75841364
>>75841853
> Real customers are LITERALLY this retarded.

Please don't ever try to enlighten us with your football 'opinions'.

This is why most want Juve to win the final.

>>75842715
Customers will hate any team posing a threat at theirs. They will try to depict them as inferior and call them chokers.

>>75842794
oh shit, a britbong was based for once

>>75841902
>another retarded customer posts

That's it i'm out.

>>75842798
>implying Juve are not chokers

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>>75842708
Rude

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>>75842746

>>75840740

>Alves > Carvajal
>Sandro = Marcelo
>Higuain > Benzema

You do realize that Higuain used to play for Madrid but was sold to Napoli because he was shit, right?

>>75842808
I don't get it. I support based RB Leipzig.

>>75840740

Took the bait...

>Madrid have played against the same team for the past two finals
>In both games it went into extra time and they fluked it out
>People using this as any kind of basis

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>>75842794
If something seems pants on head retarded, just consider it bait. And you'll be right in most cases on /sp/

>>75839376
>you just know that Real will find a way to win anyway
Yeah, (((They))) will find a way for Real to win anyway.

>>75842469
Pogba hype train still going, they're waiting for pogback part 2 on a free

>>75842469
Eastern Europeans are exclusively Madrid bandwagoners

>>75842812
>>75842836
No need to reply twice, and you'll also find explanations to those fullback comparisons somewhere above.
>Higuain > Benzema
Everyone knows the reason Higuain was sold because he wouldn't play second fiddle to Ronaldo as effectively and willingly. It's completely reasonable decision from their point of view, not saying it wasn't. But that doesn't mean that Higuain isn't better individually in their current forms. How many goals does Benzeshit have in Sunny Liga, 8?

>>75842860
there. this entire thread is pointless. in fact I think it's cruel to juve fans, who don't deserve this.

>>75842879
>>75842886

>>75842879
they just picked the most shiny clubs to escape their shitty lives in commie blocks. True wealthy top shelf europeans have supported Juventus for 20 years now through all hardships to the moment of glory

>>75842838
Because Real Madrid always find a way to win in a final.

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>>75842902
>for 20 years now through all hardships to the moment of glory
Quite literally, '97 CL Final in Munich was the first football match I've been to

Who in their right mind still rates Real's defense after yesterday's game?

They literally conceeded two goals to Atletico, Varane caused a penalty on motherfucking Torres, who's been an ex player for years.

>>75842956
it's our time, my friend

>>75842508
Most of the team has changed though. That's irrefutable. I'm not doubting that Allegri is a good manager, in fact it supports my argument. Great managers are capable of elevating relatively average players.

>>75842956
>>75842902
>Supporting a team in a top division is so hard
I Know they got relegated for match fixing one season but supporting a team like Juventus isn't hard at all.
Try supporting a club faced with relegation constantly or in a lower league struggling to get by and then you will know the true suffering of being a football fan

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>>75842978
In that case I also have a happy Juvefrog saved

>>75842994
>>75842956

Why not try supporting a club related to your city?

>>75842994

What happened to all the Leeds United fans?

>>75843010
I do, we are in League Two.

>>75843018
lmao why don't you get good

>>75843025
Because one of our old chairmen basically sold our club down the drain as we started to climb back up the leagues

>>75842956
>being this much of a glory hunter
>"this team are in a final, guess I'll support them"

>>75842988
Your argument fell apart the moment you labeled Juventus players average. This conversation doesn't even remotely make sense

>>75842994
Naturally, but the expectations are different then. You can celebrate staying up, while Juve should have been challenging the CL for 20 years and never delivered
>>75843010
My city doesn't have a club. I mean it does, but they're locals businessman's property who keeps them in lower division on purpose because he also owns shares in rival club and transfers any players and staff who prove not to be complete morons over there. It's a money laundering scheme, not sport.

>>75839620
>Juve's chances are in the hands of 2 Argentineans.

Christ, they're doomed to finish second.

>>75843069
In 2015 they were relatively shit compared to the best teams. That's why they got dicked so badly in the final. Serie A hasn't produced a great team in a decade. The standards in Italy are shambolic right now. When you've got guys like Higuain and Dzeko dominating, you realise how far the standard of Italian football has fallen. It's probably the 4th best league in the world. Maybe 5th by next year with how French football is improving. It's easy to mistake an average team for a good team when they have financial advantage over everyone around them and play poverty-tier sides like Empoli every week.

>>75842994
This.
But you can't expect a kid to cheer for shitty teams unless it's from his city or his parents get him involved.

I support Juve because when I was a kid I played for a team that was called Juventus Club with my friends, not simply because Juve was a big team.

>>75840783
>Real had it easy so far mostly because of luck
Faced two of the three best teams in CL in recent history. Knocked out both of them

here is your (you)

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>>75843158

>>75840893
this so much. juve have conceded a ridiculous chunk of their goals from crosses this season. while real have great headers and great crossers. if juve just try to sit back they'll bombard them to shit.

>>75841332
No. Instead they dominated Europe. 3 finals in 4 years.

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>>75842956
remember me?

>>75843142
>In 2015 they were relatively shit compared to the best teams
>Serie A hasn't produced a great team in a decade
>When you've got guys like Higuain nd Dzeko dominating

(You) is all you're going to get

>>75843228
with halal's ''''''''''''''''''''lucky draws'''''''''''''''''''' even arselel would dominate europe

but you have to face everybody in leagues, no lucky draws there

>Bayern threw out Mandzukic to get a polish fraud
Fucking Pep.

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>>75843251
>can't refute any of my points

Thought so.

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>>75843233
N-no

>>75843228
And Juve reached 2 finals in 3 years.
But for Real customers we are shit.

>>75843142
Now jewve retards will shittalk you but you're 100% right, Serie A is dead, a disgusting one team league.

>>75843274
That's why we faced Borussia, Napoli, Bayern and Atleti and we are 1st in league

>>75841708
Original picture for this

>>75843310
Atleti reached 2 finals in 3 years too and they are not even close to us. Don't get mad kek

So what Juve fans excuse will be when Real win the final?

>>75843374
But Atletico didn't eliminate you in the CL :^)
>>75843327
>my team loses
>therefore Serie A is shit

Also that Juve team that made the final in 2015 is much stronger than the current one and still got raped by Barça so what makes you think that they stand a chance against Real?

>>75843396
Bayern eliminated Juve last year, does that mean that Bayern isn't shit?

>>75843395
Muh refball the moment Chiellini gets the red

>>75843436
>that Juve team that made the final in 2015 is much stronger than the current one
Why do you think so?

>>75843310
I'm not saying Juve is shit. They have the best teamwork in this CL

But you can't keep trying to discredit RMA. Time and time again they've proven everyone wrong. And now somehow every Barca fan is a juve fan

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*scores the winning goal*

>>75843445
How is Bayern shit?

>>75843445
Yes, real final should have been Juve Bayern.
>>75843457
I'm not discrediting them, I'm simply saying they're not a good team, their defensive phase is non existant.

>>75843436
not really a fair comparison, that Barca team was a treble winning beast with Suarez and Neymar being at the top of their game. This Real is good but not that good.

>>75843481
By playing horrible and doing nothing during 180 min against Madrid

>>75843436
Barca were 5 times better than current Madrid

It was a close game despite the result

>>75843531
Madrid also plays horrible every match, are they shit too?

>>75843486
I would say is not as consistent, Real can get pretty shitty sometimes

>>75843531
>winning at Madrid by doing nothing
>despite doing nothing, can only be eliminated with refball
Impressive.

>>75843557
Madrid plays horrible every match? Could you bring me an example?

>>75843557
>Madrid also plays horrible every match, are they shit too?
What? I watched the game vs Napoli and vs Atletico and they played really good, the fuck are you talking about.

>>75843566
Every match they played this year except the two 3-0 against Atletico

>>75843582
They are always shaky and have to rely on set pieces to Ramos to win