Why dont people consider him when theres a discussion about whos

Because he's not GOAT material.

Most people that discuss that sort of stuff were babies when he was at the peak of his powers.

He was a tanned Götze with a worse hairline all along.

Literally out-fucking-classed by a Polish-German long-nosed lanklet.

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very few on /sp/ have watched him for several full seasons

They do. He's regarded by most as GOAT tier at his peak. He's not in the Pele/Maradona/Messi discussion because his career was cut short by injuries.

>>75561156
Because he couldn't sustain his GOAT level form.

Got way too fat after 2004, ruined his image.

>>75561308
but he did

>>75561156
Still probably considered the GOAT centre forward of all time.

he's not even the best ronaldo.

I was 18 in 98 and he was a candidate but really until he's dethroned in the future, it's Messi and after him you can fight over who takes the other spots

>>75561289
>Pele
Fraud, might as well say Di Stefano over play against literal farmers and americans

>>75561317

He also had 3 ACL injuries by that point, just 1 of those is enough to kill the career of most players at the top level

>too many injuries
>never won champions league

He was actually already declining after the 2002 WC.

His peak was the mid to late 90s. If he kept that up, he would be up there with Messi and CR7 for modern greats.

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what did he mean by this?

Cos he got fat and ruined his legacy

>>75561348
>CR7

He's behind Messi only for modern greats

>>75561349
>skills are measured by titles alone, because football is not a team sport and every team has to play with their own version of mascherano
That's it folks. CR7 won the Euro, Messi didn't. Thus, CR7 > Messi.

End this thread and praise me.

>>75561334

Eh, I like Ronaldinho too but I'd still put R9 as no.1

>>75561371
in your eyes it's...

1.Messi
2.Ronaldo
3.Cr7

?

>>75561349
>1994

Kevin GOATkreutz is a world cup winner, you know?

>>75561348
96-03, that's 8 years of GOATness, despite all the injuries
Impossible to keep it up longer than that

>>75561388
HURRRRRRRR LE FUNNY GUY

To people saying he had a short peak, name me a forward that has been the best in the world for 8 years and is not named Messi

Because modern anons where in primary school when he wasn't fat.

>>75561434
Gerd Müller

He's a clear number 2 of his generation (70s-born) after Zidane. Not more, not less.

>>75561434
Nicklas Bendtner

He is the only player to match Messi in skill at his peak. But injuries and a short peak has most disregard him from all time GOATs when long term form comes into play.

>>75561434
It's been more than 8 years now and the age of Rooney is yet to end.

>>75561443
this is bait

Klose surpassed m

>>75561434
His peak is short when you compare it to Messi and Cr7.

He also didn't dominate like they have.

For example Henry,Del Piero etc ran him very close.

Currently there's no real competition for Messi / Cr7.

>>75561443
>He's a clear number 2 of his generation (70s-born) after Zidane. Not more, not less.

It's ridiculous how Zidane's legend has grown over the years. Not once was he ever the best player in the world.

>>75561487
him*

>>75561308
He was literally unstoppable in his prime. Even after suffering two (2) career-ending injuries, he recovered and continued to play at the top level, performing for his club and country. You can't get more GOAT than Ronaldo.

>>75561156
too many injuries
unreliable as a club player in the long term
no champions league

because all he had was goals and he only scored 30 in a season lul

>>75561462
8 years is not a short peak, compared that with /sp/'s beloved GOATs like Suarez and Robben, who only peaked for 2-3 years

>>75561498
>His peak is short when you compare it to Messi and Cr7.
08-17 is 9 years, and CR can't even be considered at his peak anymore

>>75561506
>Ronaldo come rushing
>defender steps aside and watches
>knees explode
literally unstoppable

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>>75561334
This.

>>75561525
im not sure you know what peak is.

>>75561498
>Cristiano
>dominate

lol

>For example Henry,Del Piero etc ran him very close.

No they didn't. Nobody did during his peak years. Henry can only be considered competition when it comes to his post-injury run. Del Piero was close to his level.

>>75561559

*Del Piero was never close to his level.

>>75561550
Enlighten me

inb4 it can't be considered his peak because he had some bad periods inbetween

>>75561525
his PEAK was two seasons.

I'm not going to consider his PSV days because the dutch league isn't great.

His sole season at Barca and then first season at Inter are undisputed goat seasons.

Then he was pretty much injured for 3 more seasons.

Goated at the WC

Then had 2 great seasons at Real.

Peak means absolute top performance of the player, so you could only really say that was 96-98. Then a great WC and two very good seasons with RM (not peak tho).

Ronaldo and Messi score 40+ a season for like 8 seasons in a row.

That's the difference.

>>75561498
>Cr7

Fuck me, school's out.

>>75561348
Totally agree,he was a great peak in Barcelona until 97, them world cup was not bad, good in 98, but become sick in the final against france, then was broken in Italy until played the world cup of 2002, then played for real madrid until become really bad at the end of 2004 but was in Brazilian team in world cup of 2006 because of status and his carer in the past.

the analogy we can make is R9 was to Zidane what Messi is to Cristiano today.

R9 is clearly more talented than Zidane, but for one reason or another, his career was weaker, he accomplished less, was less consistent. that's why when people remember that decade, they think Zidane, not Ronaldo, as the goat.

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>>75561527
Proving that only GOD could stop the beast.

>>75561527
You're too young to be posting here.

>>75561587
>I'm not going to consider his PSV days because the dutch league isn't great.
That's really dumb, you can only beat what you have in front of you, there's no reason to write off his abilities because the dutch league is slightly worse than the spanish one

>Peak means absolute top performance of the player, so you could only really say that was 96-98. Then a great WC and two very good seasons with RM (not peak tho).
Post injuries Ronaldo wasn't the best Ronaldo but he was still the best fucking player in the world, that's the difference, he was the best despite not playing at his best, I'd like to see Cristiano being the best in the world after those kind of injuries, pffff

3rd best Ronaldo

>>75561630
>Cronaldo accomplished more than Messi
>Cronaldo will be remembered as the goat of the decade
top lel good bait

>>75561630
>his career was weaker, he accomplished less, was less consistent.

Was it though? Zidane has a CL but Ronaldo won more NT trophies and more individual awards. He was also way more consistent before 2004, not even at his peak was Zidane ever at his best for a whole season.

>that's why when people remember that decade, they think Zidane, not Ronaldo, as the goat.

It's the opposite in my experience.

>>75561654
>That's really dumb, you can only beat what you have in front of you, there's no reason to write off his abilities because the dutch league is slightly worse than the spanish one

It's not even a subjective opinion of mine. Certain league are considered by the european governing bodies to be weaker.

Case in point: the European golden shoe where goals are valued less in the dutch league.

Going by your logic, Klass-Jan Huntelaar was the best striker in Europe til he joined Madrid?

>>75561630
Literally nobody things that though.

>>75561728
Ajax won the CL in 1995. The Dutch league was a completely different beast back then.

He would be the GOAT but he had exploding knees. If he managed to stay fit it wouldn't be a contest

>>75561156
Because Messi exists

>>75561728
What I meant is that just because he played in a worse league it doesnt mean he was a worse player nor does it mean you can just write off a whole season
Besides, the difference wasnt that much at the time, the dutch league was better than it is now and the spanish league was worse

Romário was better

>>75561828
>Messi relevant in a world cup
lmfao

>>75562024
>90s Aguero
>better than Ronaldo

Ahahaha

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>>75561156
>joins PSV
>doesn't improve them whatsoever, Ajax keep dominating
>joins Barca
>wins some third rate trophies, Barcelona dramatically improve once he leaves
>joins Inter
>after a great first season he turns to shit, Inter actually improve in the season+ time hes out injured. they also make the CL semi final as soon as he leaves
>joins Real
>after winning the league he gets fat and lazy, tanks the team so hard they implode for years. they win 2 consecutive leagues once they ship him out

what did nostalgiafags mean by this?

>>75561465
Rooney has never been a world class footballer

It is an absolute fucking meme to suppose otherwise

>>75562049
Aguero is better than fatnaldo for sure

>>75562090
>he doesn't now about the age of Rooney

>>75562130
if you mean the age of rpppppney then yeah

>>75561519
>all this striker has is goals

>>75562117
Not, he is not, Ronaldo is thousands of times better than him, but Romário was better than Ronaldo (Fat).

>>75562090
his first 2 years at united were definitely world class.

i'm ABU and will even acknowledge that

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>>75562147

>>75562444
First 2 years and around 2009-11

>>75562402

Romario was a better box striker but that's about it

>>75561630
>implying that tsu won more than Messi

Tip top kek.

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>>75562527
>"Dont be sad he lived a hell of a life.... in the age of Rooney"
Always gets me

Peak Ronaldo was probably the greatest striker ever, but injuries fucked him over so he can't be considered the GOAT because his overall career wasn't GOAT.

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>>75561156
He was better than Messi in his prime.

>>75563388
https://youtu.be/yy7a0ea1W1Q
https://youtu.be/wahcbjyGMl4

Ronaldo had more flair but Messi is more direct. Ronaldo was also taller which means he can do more tricks with his legs. Overall, those two in their peaks were in the same tier, leagues above everyone else. They were absolute monsters with their dribbling ability at just 19 or 20

>>75563575
>Ronaldo was also taller which means he can do more tricks with his legs.
???

>>75563640
Longer legs means he has a longer reach on the ball - hence why he could easily do those fancy ball maneuvers, moving the ball around the opponent to disorient them. Messi has manlet legs so he cant really do that well so he makes up for it with inhuman ball control.

>>75561156

Because he had a 5 year career. The injury literally turned him into a cripple.

>>75563575
yeah but Messi is futbol total
Ronaldo is a striker

>>75563742
True. Messi is statistically one of the best playmakers AND strikers in history with an all rounded game whereas Ronaldo was a tank of a striker who could blitz the entire backline of a team just like Messi.

>>75563742
>world cup perma-choke
>futbol total
what did the drunk favelao mean by this?

>>75561156
Poor man's Romário

>>75561156

Because the board is full of babbies who never saw him play.

>>75561156
He's too ugly

>>75563827
Ronaldo won an easy world cup 2bf.

>>75563827
Futbol total is about his tactical position. There's literally nothing to do with his results at international level.

Fuck off, Romania.

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>>75563863
and two copa americas

>>75563912
He's still mad that his rapist gayhero tsuu choked in el clasico.

>>75561289
I don't put much stock in longetivity. It can be random with injuries/motivation etc. As long as you have 4-5 top level years, that's how you should be judged.

>>75564948
Me neither, but somehow this is the most valuable thing for spee.

>>75561156
If he didnt get injured so many times he could be in consideration, but so many seasons missed, and the he was just an amazing striker. His first two seasons at barca were just amazing.

>>75561500
Yeah, he didnt played in the prememe league.

He was the best player in the world for a few years and probably retired being the best.

>>75561156
we are busy contemplating the GOAT right NOW, there's no time for debates.

>>75561156
Because when people are talking about the GOAT they're obviously talking about who the 2nd best player of all time is

Of course Ronaldo is easily and undisputably the No.1 player of all time

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>>75561348
>Messhit
LOL you mean the fraud that got destroyed by a 36 year old Nesta?

>>75561434
Van Basten

>>75561443
Zidane is number 2 after Ronaldo you mean, surely?

>>75561487
Yeah, sure...padding his stats by scoring 4 goals vs Saudi Arabia

Almost identical career compared to Maradona but then again neither of them is in the discussion for the GOAT.

Everyone intelligent enough to have the capability for some objectivity realized that the top two is Messi and C.Ronaldo, after that it depends on how you want to compare different eras.

>>75561587
>Ronaldo and Messi score 40+ a season for like 8 seasons in a row.
>Muh goals vs Granada
Hey shithead call me when they can put a shit-tier team like Inter in their backs and almost win them scudetto(if it wasn't for Juve robbing him)

Also call me when they come back from 2 career-ending injuries and win a WC

>>75561630
>that's why when people remember that decade, they think Zidane, not Ronaldo, as the goat.
Bullshit
Everyone remembers Ronaldo more than Zidane
Most people remember Zidane for killing Materazzi

>>75568602
>>75568539
>>75568643
>>75568681
>>75568725
>>75568802
Hey, kids lets get out. Let albania play all by himself.

>>75561828
>le gets exposed by a 36 year old defender throughout 4 games midget

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>>75568867
>>75568932
and he continues....

>>75562024
The original stat-padder

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>>75563575
You know you can't judge players off of youtube

>>75569018
>>75568966
holy shit somebody pls stop this madman

>>75563742
What a bunch of crap
There's not a thing Messi has that Ronaldo didn't
Ronaldo was just as good of a playmaker and also a better free-kick taker too especially in his Inter days

>>75568802
If only Ronaldo and C.Ronaldo played years for the same team...

>>75568914
>>75568954
Go back to your favela

>>75569065
Ok, kiddo..

>>75569121
here's your (you), milan bandwagoner

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>>75569100
>More stat-padding vs Granda means better player
I suppose Josef Bican is the best player of all times then since he scored over 2000 goals in his career

>>75569215
I was thinking more about two UCLs to none but really how fucking retarded do you have to be when complaining about "stat-padding" when talking about Ronaldo. The guy used to literally whine own goals into his name, just couldn't pad his stats more than better players.

>>75568725
fat ronaldo also statpadded, he scored only 3 goals against first rate opponents (twice against the worst germany of all time, one against holland). klose scored 4 goals against first rate opponents (3 against argentina, one against the worst brazil of all time). apart from that both scored mainly against mediocre teams.

>>75569431
That argentina was the Maradona one? If so... hahaha

>>75561340
>literal farmers
Because he played in the Brazil league? It was a lot stronger back then. Because he played in the state championships? True, but he scored a lot of goals in big games.

>americans
When he was older. Not the majority of his games.

>>75569331
You have to be joking if you seriously are comparing 2014-2016 UCL to 2002-2006 UCL(when Ronaldo was btw past his prime and his hyperthyroids started acting up making him fat...not to mention Real made a lot of dumb decisions like selling Makelele)
The gap between those years in quality is huge

You clearly don't know what you're talking about. Go to sleep underage

>>75569465
Still had Messi, di Maria, Mascherano, Higuain, Tevez etc. The Germany team of 2002 and the Brazil team of 2014 had no good players (available for the game).

>>75569431
The worst Germany of all time made into the fucking finals
Last I checked Holland has always been one of the biggest NT's ever(despite their eternal choker status)

It can't be compared to scoring 4 goals vs Saudi Arabia it just cannot

>>75569551
Current argentina still have of these and is 5th in a two horse race.

and martino/bauza are miles better than maradona.

>>75569503
Go fuck a sheep retard.

>talking about football when his country doesn't have televisions

>>75569589
>The worst Germany of all time made into the fucking finals
On sheer luck and Kahn alone, or are you trying to tell me Nowotny, Ziege, Bode, Metzelder, Gerald Asamoah etc are names that everyone rates? And Klose scored 3 goals against Saudi Arabia, his other 2 goals came against Ireland and Cameroon (who were Africa Cup winners that year).

>>75569551
Klose and Kahn were playing in 2002 Final. I remember Schneider and Frings being pretty good too. I think people really make that Germany look worse than it actually was when mostly they were just dark horses/underdogs not a really bad team

>>75561587
>the dutch league isn't great
Again, someone is assuming that the level was the same then as it is now. Speaking like how good a league is doesn't vary.

Ajax won the CL and got to the CL final in the two seasons Ronaldo played in the Netherlands.

>>75569600
They were in the WC final 2 years ago and in 2 consecutive Copa America finals. If you don't rate them you are being obtuse on purpose.

>>75561156
BTFO by both Messi and Penaldo

>>75569754
Under Sabella's time. If you're comparing Sabella's Argentina with Bauza's Argentina then you're just trolling.

>>75569713
Klose was playing for Kaiserslautern at the time and was considered a joke player. Kahn was the only reason this team went into the final. In general this is considered to be the worst generation on German football history. Frings was only good in 2006, Schneider was a good player I give you that but then you could argue the same for players like Oscar, Willian or Marcelo (you could argue they are even better, Schneider was never a Marcelo-tier player) in 2014 which I didn't.

>>75569720
Netherlands was close to the the same positions in UEFA ranking at the time (10th last season, 9th when Ajax won UCL), Ajax was just great.

>>75569829
Sabella was the world cup only, 2015 and 2016 they reached the final under Martino.

>>75569681
You act like Brazil trashed Germany when in reality they won 2:0 with late goals from Ronaldo and Germany were playing pretty well in that final and even had some good chances

Luck my ass

>>75569934
Again, they lost a two-horse race.

>>75569844
>In general this is considered to be the worst generation on German football history
Well that's just a testament to how great German Football is because that team wasn't that bad

>>75561384
Well

>Cr7 carried a useless portugal to euro gold
>messi got carried by a stacked argentina and lost 3 finals

I think its pretty clear for anyone with a brain which is the better player

>>75570044
Ironically that was the one game were they were actually doing well but Kahn wasn't. Before that they won every knockout 1-0 game with a lucky Ballack header and Kahn just being incredible. For example against the US they were getting stomped with like 20 big chances for the US and only came through via refball. This was the same team that lost 5-1 at home to fucking ENGLAND! during qualification and had to enter the world cup relegation to qualify for the first time in German football history. And during the 00 and 04 Euros they got destroyed without any chance. They were simply awful in most regards.

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>>75570160
lol

>>75570174
>Before that they won every knockout 1-0 game
Brazil wasn't much better in this regard
They won 2-1 or 2-0

I think that 2002 Germany Team gets a lot of flack because it wasn't great compared to the German teams of the '90s more than anything

Euro 2000s was a trainwreck yeah...old man Matthaus was playing as defender in that team. They did pretty well in 2006 though and were unlucky to lose vs Italy

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>>75561156
>le ebin nike commercial man

I bet you rate Zidane, Beckham and Ronaldinho as well.

Why don't Messi and Penaldo ever get their knee ligaments torn?