itt: Overrated football clubs: Real Madrid = 11 CL won the

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Bayern Munich = 5 CL

won the CL finals against:
- 1974 Atlético Madrid (0 cl)
- 1975 Leeds United (0 cl)
- 1976 Saint-Étienne (0 cl)
- 2001 Valencia (0 cl)
- 2013 Borussia Dortmund (1 cl)

lost the CL finals against:
- 1982 Aston Villa (1 cl)
- 1987 Porto (2 cl)
- 1999 Manchester United (3 cl)
- 2010 Internazionale (3 cl)
- 2012 Chelsea (1 cl)

Holy shit, never realised how terrible they were in finals

I'm a bit biased, but look at teams Barça had to beat in these last 10-11 years: Juventus, ManU twice and Arsenal - the last two were pretty solid teams back then.

there's of course meme sampdoria in the 90s.

>>75559103
Europa league tier finals

>>75559427
Barcelona = 5 CL

won the CL finals against:
- 1992 Sampdoria (0 cl)
- 2006 Arsenal (0 cl)
- 2009 Manchester United (3 cl)
- 2011 Manchester United (3 cl)
- 2015 Juventus (2 cl)

lost the CL finals against:
- 1961 Benfica (2 cl)
- 1986 Steaua București (1 cl)
- 1994 Milan (7 cl)

>>75559103
>Six clay pot trophies against farmers
>ZERO trebles

Man Utd

Won CL finals versus
>1968 Benfica (2 cl)
>1999 Bayern Munich (5 cl)
>2008 Chelsea (1 cl)

Lost CL finals versus
>2009 Barcelona (5 cl)
>2011 Barcelona (5 cl)

Liverpool

Won CL finals versus
>1977 Borussia Mönchengladbach (0 cl)
>1978 Club Brugge (0 cl)
>1981 Real Madrid (11 cl)
>1984 Roma (0 cl)
>2005 Milan (7 cl)

Lost CL finals versus
>1985 Juventus (2 cl)
>2007 Milan (2 cl)

So it's official then, Man Utd are the only respectable big club.

>>75559427
lol Sampdoria was GOAT stfu when you don't know what you are talking about
That match was the start of UEFAlona's cheating, they scored on a non-existant free kick otherwise Samp would have won as they were the better team

>>75559103
the first 5 were a joke, like only 2-3 games against literally who's, and even then halal had to refball to win

Based Milan desu

Milan = 7 CL

won the CL finals against:
- 1963 Benfica (2 cl)
- 1969 Ajax (4 cl)
- 1989 Steaua București (1 cl)
- 1990 Benfica (2 cl)
- 1994 Barcelona (5 cl)
- 2003 Juventus (2 cl)
- 2007 Liverpool (5 cl)

lost the CL finals against:
- 1958 Real Madrid (11 cl)
- 1993 Marseille (1 cl)
- 1995 Ajax (4 cl)
- 2005 Liverpool (5 cl)

>>75559644
>Ferguson FC feat le class of 92 XD
>the only respectable big club.

>>75559739
1993 Marseille (1 cl*)

>you now remember the time when the CL trophy wasn't exclusive to two/three teams

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>>75559739

>>75559615
>beat 18cl teams

Looks pretty good.

Ajax

Won EL1/CL Finals against:
70-71: Panathinaikos (0)
71-72: Inter Milan (3)
72-73: Juventus (2)
94-95: AC Milan (7)

Lost against:
68-69: AC Milan (7)
95-96: Juventus (2)

Fuck Italy tbqhf

>>75559103
Relevant teams beaten in CL finals:1

>>75559841
>Relevant teams beaten in CL finals:1
Relevant teams destroyed on the road to the finals: 46

>>75559644
>Man Utd
>big club

>>75559821
>EL1
What?

>>75559930

Meant to type EC1 (Europacup I) but got my mind on the EL semi against Lyon

>>75559958
Where does the 1 come into it though?

>>75559976

Back in the day you had the Europacup I and the Europacup II

That turned into the Champions League and UEFA League and finally the UEFA League turned into the Europa League

>>75560021
>Europacup 1
>Europacup 2
>UEFA League
Are they exclusive finnish sayings?

It was the European Cup, the Cup Winners Cup and the UEFA Cup

>>75560021
Never heard of this, as far as I know it was called European Champions Cup (Coppa dei Campioni here)

>>75560042
>>75560050

I'm Dutch, we used to call it the Europacup One and Europacup Two

>>75560062
Where did the Cup Winners Cup fit into it?

>>75560069

That was the Europacup II, which turned into the UEFA Cup (not UEFA league I fucked up again) which turned into the Europa League

>>75560082

And to be honest those was the best most honest type of European tournaments

League winners compete with eachother
Cup winners compete with eachother

Simple, easy, fair

>>75560082
>>75560106
>That was the Europacup II, which turned into the UEFA Cup
It only merged with it, UEFA Cup existed alongside it for a couple of decades. Cup Winners Cup was definitely the more prestige of the two though. It got killed off by letting more teams into the CL

>>75559753
ah, a conoisseur, indeed my friend.

>>75560106
It made sense to have more than one tournament indeed
The Europa League feels so unnecessary

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>>75559103
because Milan already 7 cl at this point
this whole thread is retarded