> “Juve are a good team but when you don’t do things well

>>75178739
What do you mean? Is he wrong?

>>75178836
He seems to suggest that tonight was less a reflection of Juventus' strength and more of Barcelona squandering several chances. If you ask me, Juventus dominated tonight.

>>75178739

Barca's defense is a joke.

And it doesn't help playing a 343 when you don't have the type of midfield players in the wings for that, when your defensive midfielder is oldfag Mascherano and when your centerbacks are Mathieu and Umtiti.

>mfw even jurassic, slow af mammooth Mandzukic was piercing the wing and assisting Dybala for a goal.

>>75178928
But Barcelona did play like shit. Juve will always be seen as just a good squad who dominate in Serie A

>>75179003
>blaming Umtiti
no

Barca could've essentially been down only a goal going back to Camp Nou had Iniesta/Suarez scored.
>b-but Higuain
there's a reason he's known as a perennial choker unlike the other 2

>>75179018

Yeah, and it could also have been 4-0 hadn't the ref disallowed that legit Juve goal.

I don't blame Umtiti at all. He's a decent defender. Not great, just decent. Yet he's not a full back and there was literally no one in the midfield helping him out with Cuadrado, who enjoyed it thoroughly, because the ones playing to the left side, Iniesta and Nerman, are not exactly reknown for their defensive quality. The whole team is just imbalanced af.

Also, Mandzukic was cucking the other wing, the one with Sergi Roberto (who isn't ever a proper full back, more like a general purpose midfield handyman) and... nobody else.

>>75178928
They did squander 3 good chances despite playing like shit.

>>75178739
this isn't deluded at all. he's being pretty humble about it all. Iniesta is still likeable as fuck.

Xavi now would go on about how Juve didn't play real football and seek moral victory because they dominated possession.

Punished by Jasmine Jae?

>>75178739
He's not even wrong though

>>75180386
No, Cherry Torn.

>>75178739
Not sure if Andres Donovan or Landon Iniesta.

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They'll dive and cheat a victory at the Jou Camp.

He's right they couldn't even clear the ball properly yday.

Have some respect for one of the all time greats you giant Faggot

>>75178739
I've watched 5 barca games and in all of them they played like shit, midfield goalkeeping and midfield seem to follow no tactic other than passing to ball to msn, even in the games they won they played like shit.

how can they be second in the league?

>>75182997
>what is refball

>>75182997
>and midfield
*and defense

>>75181130
>one of the all time greats

He's just a slightly better version of Valeron tbqh. He just got insanely lucky to play in one of the best teams ever at both club and NT level.

>>75178928
Juve parked the bus with 10 players in some phases of the match

>>75178739
i dislike more when people say that Serie A is a one team league, well it's a one team league because juve is the only one doing their homework, they have an amazing team

>>75183050
No, he is one of the GOAT centre mids. Past his best now obviously but that late '00s/early '10s partnership of him and Xavi was second to none.

>>75179003
>your centerbacks are Mathieu and Umtiti
Mathieu played as a left back, it's even worse ! you're fucking Barca ! And yet you can't provide a proper sub for Alba ? It's just YOUR fault if you can't recruit ! and don't blame Umtiti, he's by far the best defender of your pitfull team.

>>75183065
yeah, cause they aren't retarded. i bet you think having more of the ball means you're dominating.

>>75183065
barca deserves to get the bus parked on them as consequence for allowing easy goals and showing no urgency in their attacks.

>>75183065
implying they didn't let Barca exposed their awful tiki taka

massive refball and barca going through 100% guaranteed.

>>75179010
Even if they win the CL?

>>75178836
>>75180375
>>75180388
Yes, he's delusional. You can't play football and not know hot to defend.
>>75178928
This.
>>75179010
No, they didn't, it seems like that to you because Juve defended well.
>>75183065
>What is defending in modern football
Juve pressed them very high with a high defense, you're stupid.
>>75180048
Just like Juve, then?

he's just talking about how he missed a 1 on 1 against Buffon seconds before the 2-0 happened

>>75183065
>win 3-0
>accused of parking the bus
el oh el

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>>75178739
Iniesta is just butthurt because he knows he's finished. Juventus played a perfect match, every single player gave a great performance. They let the manlets play their impotent little tiki-taka in the middle, and got past them easily on the flanks when needed. Possession is basically a negative stat in modern football.
Unless they get three penalties at Camp Nou, I don't know what could they possibly do to defeat Juve.

>>75183088
Nope just stated that they didn't "dominate"

>>75183108
Fair enough

>>75183111
It's clearly not working for Barca atm, but they have no alternative (they trust that it's a blip)

>>75183158
In some phases

>>75183220
Define "domination then". Juve won by 3 (three) goals, created twice the chances and got twice the shots on target. Complete BTFOing to be honest

>>75183050
>Valeron: Mentality 50
>Iniesta: Mentality 99

This is the difference between talent and champions, there's no luck.

>>75183220
>In some phases
No, they literally did it until they had the srength to do it, which was around 65-70'. At that point it was already 3-0 and they were coocked.

>>75183245
Domination is when you press the opponent inside their own third for most of the match and score 2 goals from patient (not slow) power play.

Juve scored one good goal. The other two were Barca blunder and deflection luck.

>>75183284
lol

>>75183284
exposing Mascherano awful defending skill is not the definition of luck

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>>75183284
What is this, 2011?

>>75183284
This

Domination is what The Spanish NT did to France recently

>>75183303
>during a fucking friendly
>vs french b team
ok

>>75183315
>Still mad

Barça is a team of made out of the finest values humanity has to offer, we are a team of VALORS
The Barça players were worried about the health of Bartra
a former teammate,
an idol of La Masia,
and more important, a catalan.
The match should've been postponed just like the Dortmund Monaco.
But this isn't new
In the 2009 semis, Barça had to travel to Milan by bus because of that volcano from Iceland.
Mou's Inter took advantage of this and we lost because the players were tired, and the referee even disallowed that Bojan goal becuase of a suposed hand of Torue Yaya wich was actually the chest.
You can shout uefalona all you want but I don't give a fuck, the proofs are there for all to see.
We were refballed again.

>>75183284
Go back laundrying mafia money, mountain jew, you obviously don't know shit about football.

>>75183324
>England win friendly vs France
>England get exposed by fucking Iceland in official game
>France stream rolled iceland
yeah, continue to care about friendlies and you'll endure another 50 years without a cup

>>75183284
you're delusional or a barca fanboy. Juve clearly dominated barca, just because barca play for ball possession doesn't mean they were capable of preventing this loss or had a chance at all. This current tiki taka is a mess. almost 70 percent ball possession and only 4 shots on target is just pathetic. Even juves defense dominated barca hard

>>75183357
>France score disallowed goal
>Stadium Erupts
>Lose Game
>I-itt was only a f-friendly lol

We all know England are shite no one's disputing that.

>>75183335
>be a professional athlete
>somehow can't travel on a bus for 7 hours a couple of days before a game
>coming into a last night game thread to talk about a 8 years old game
>still believing in retarded concepts as "regional identity" in 2017

>>75183372
you pathetic bongs said the exact opposite when you get exposed by an almost retired polish guy some weeks back

>>75183374
>still believing in retarded concepts as "regional identity" in 2017
what's retarded about that? are you a swedish on vacation or what?

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>>75183391
Was a close game that was, Germany got lucky

>Juve supporters getting mad when you mention there is some randomness in this result and the 3-0 was not a foretold Biblical outcome

This is strange. Definitely not a mentality of a champion.

>>75182997
>how can they be second in the league?
They have Messi, Nerman and Suarez

>>75183392
>muh catalona
>muh independence
We're all citizens of the world, retard.

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>>75183412
>get (You)'d at for totally outdated understanding of good football performance
>y-you're mad!
It's no coincidence that neither Chelsea, Madrid, Monaco or Juve play possession football and are winning their respective leagues. Tiki-taka is long or the general concept of keeping the ball in opposition's third are long forgotten. It's all about quick transition, expoliting spaces and effectiveness now

>>75183412
Barca sure has a champion mentality when they have a 0-7 in last 2 away CL matches

>>75183454
Barcelona hasn't played tiki-taka since Luis Enrique arrived

>>75183412
No real Juve fan would be satisfied with the result of yesterday.
We conceded too much and after the 70' we couldn't able to press as we did in the beginning. We also wasted a huge opportunity with Higuain missing a stop all alone in front of ter stegen.
We should have won at least 4 or 5-0.

redpill me on Umtiti

>>75183464
>or the general concept of keeping the ball in opposition's third

>>75182997
>how can they be second in the league?
atletico have been worse, also your sample size of 5 games out of 50 isnt really big enough. they have been all over the place, one game playing great as they used to, the other eating shit at home to Alaves. they have basically zero consistency and you never really know which barca youre facing till a few minutes into a match.

>>75183435
>We're all citizens of the world, retard.
lol
go suck somali cock in lampedusa you fucking moron

>>75183465
there was a disallawed goal that shouldn't be disallowed, with video referee, it would be 4-0

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>>75183505
Kek'd

>>75183412
>some randomness in this result
but it wasn't. this is the perfect result for this match. the 3:0 represents the game perfectly. You're the delusional fanboy. How can't you see that 4 shots ond target with 70% ball possession is clearly a sign of a disfunctional team. Barca was weak as fuck and wasn't capable of more than passing around in the midfield without a plan. and the sad thing is, barca is still dependent on old man messi to create chances. Barca needs a new coach asap.
(and i'm not a juve supporter, i'm just capable of seing things how they are)

>>75178928
But he's right. In the last 30 minutes Juve couldn't even get out of their own half.

>>75183065
>>75183284
>>75183274
>>75183412

Barcelona had their best chances when Juventus turtled, and Juventus choked on as many goals as Barcelona did, so if you want to call it right that's a 5-2.

And you're right about one thing:

>Definitely not a mentality of a champion.

Juventus is a big team with poor budget and small-team mentality, it's closer to a Super Borussia than Bayern and Real.

Juventus has to sell in order to buy, they have to hope Alves is kicked out of Barca like a dog to get a good albeit old right back. Juventus had to play almost every single formation in existence this season in order to make it through, they had to put a lot of games to sleep to save energy for this match, because their bench is not even good enough to escape relegation in EPL.

Believe it or not, last night looked like your average Serie A Juventus game, with the only difference Higuain played a second striker to let Dybala shine through.

>>75183494

Atletico wouldn't play well even if they tried to, because they don't have as much quality. If ATL and JUV were to square off in the semifinals unless there's some major bloopers it's penalties after two draws.

>>75183454
That's yet to be seen, one season doesn't mean anything.

>>75183516
>We'll find your mom soon. Okay, champ

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>>75183454
>long forgotten

Maybe it's less effective because of all the counter-tactics that have been perfected but it's certainly not forgotten. I hope we can continue this discussion after more matches have passed.

>>75183502
Yeah, that's why I said 5. Also it's not certain we'd have scored.
>>75183498
I'm 14 years old, please disregard my posts
Ok.

>>75183454
>Doesn't mention Bayern.

I saw a few years back that Bayern play better Tiki Taka than Barca when they signed Thiago. But ppl still think the crown lies with Barca for some reason

>>75183516
p stupid from him to slap Messi in the chest after that pic. hes lucky it was Messi not Neymar cause he would've gone down like bag of shit and probably gotten Mandzukic at least a yellow.

>>75183544
>one season
>what is 15/16 Lester
If anything, the shitty-kaka was an anomaly lasting half a decade. And even during that period there were several questionable circumstances surrounding the dominance of possession football. Remember Heynckes' direct Bayern steamrolling everyone?

>>75183524
They had no more energy, it was already 3-0 so they decided to defend.
I don't see what's wrong with that, you can't do at the end of the game what you can do at the beginning.
>>75183527
One does what he can do.

>>75183544

How many teams have been succesfull with a high possession based tactic again? Guardiola/Messi Barca and? That's all. Shit tactic. Messi and Iniesta were just too good and without refball they would have been less succesfull. It's just useless. It's not what made them good. It's what made them stand out. What made them good was nothing new. Guardiola is a fraud.

>>75183558
>disregard my posts
I will

>>75183547
Kek
>>75183548
For you as well --> >>75183573
>>75183569
Prime Bayern was under Heynckes in my opinion. Dropping their playstyle altogether is the reason why Guardiola didn't live up to his predecessor. Didn't mention them now because under Ancelotti they're quite possession-oriented too, mainly thanks to Thiago like you said
>>75183572
Mandzu knew Messi isn't such faggot, but yeah we can all imagine Nerman or Suarez in that situation

>>75178739
He's talking about the referees not holding Barca's hand throughout the match

Juventus will get to the final and lose again. Losing again two years later just like Atletico because they are small time. Bayern will beat them in the final because Real Madrid can't win it twice in a row and Barca are already out (again).

>>75183600
>Guardiola/Messi Barca and?
Just one of the most memorable teams in history. You could also say Spain plays more possession oriented than Argentina with their "retreat and steal the ball" formation. All of this proves that you can't be so black and white about it.

>>75183689
>Just one of the most memorable teams
True, good for them. Now they're outdated, just like Spain's NT

>>75183573
remember that same heynckes' bayern going through against arsenal the tie before because of the referee wrongly signalling offside when walcott had a clear path at goal?

>>75183573
remember heynckes' bayern won 4:0 because of refball in the first leg?

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>>75183769
I don't, it's possible though

>>75183689

Dude. The high possession part is a meme. If it really worked you would see people copying it and win using it. Barca would've been even more successfull without that.

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>>75183806

>>75183782
That one I remember clearly, not so much the refball but exactly the "domination" we were discussing earlier ITT. On Bayern's part, of course.

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>>75183834
Hardly a shocking decision, you see worse calls being made every weekend. Discussing refball during Barca's prime years is a tricky matter though, someone who is interested in the team negatively (I'm not) could easily come up with literally dozens of examples going in their favour in CL alone. I won't though

>>75183896
do go ahead. and no mention of chelsea 2009

and it was a shocking decision, considering bayern were rattled as fuck by a god awful arsenal team. they were on the ropes.

>>75183600
Spain, Germany, Bayern, Barca. Some of the best football sides we've seen of all time.

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>>75183823
>If it really worked you would see people copying it and win using it.

But that's been happening throughout football history. Barcelona is just a special extreme outlier because of the football schools started by Cruyff. Plus the backing of a whole "nation" (Catalonia) and financial possibilities thanks to that. It's really, really hard to copy. But every good manager adapts the system to the available players. It's not efficient to copy the system when you can't grow or buy the same talents.

tl;dr possession is very important

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>2009+8
>Tiki taka still relevant

>>75183917
You can include United of the late '00s in that.

>Front three of Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez

HNNNNNNNGGG

Also maybe the Dortmund side of the early '10s, very briefly, before it got dismantled by other clubs buying their best players.

>>75183911
Not interested in Barcelona enough to bother with that, but just typing the right keywords in Google or Youtube search should be enough. It's public knowledge to be fair
>>75183917
Neither Germany or Bayern played football with primary focus on possession. Spain and Barcelona did, all respect due to their many impressive achievements. They're dead now

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>>75183944
>Manure fan so clueless thinking Dortmund played anything resembling possession football in early '10s
How ""surprising""

>>75183971
yes, run away

>>75183944
United played Possession but not Tiki Taka, the only PL team to play anything like it was Pellegrini's Citeh

>>75184001
Just don't feel like discussing refereeing in Barcelona matches, especially with their fan. Apologies

>>75184004
They played counter-attack a lot. For example, against Arsenal and Roma. Against Barca when Scholes scored, it was basically pure defence. In 2008, they scored few goals. It was mostly about defending well.

>>75184054
In the era of the Ronaldo / Giggs as CM team they really pressed teams in tho, Fergie was starting to learn alot from Overseas

>>75183505
UEFA/FIFA should introduce the golden teeth this year for Suarez, he hasn't bitten anyone in aeons

>>75184138
Solid flag

>>75184025
What many people overlook is that Barcelona's high-paced passing, shorter players and close contact invite controversial decisions, referees are far more afraid of denying them proper decisions

>>75184133
Was about to post this, Fergie's adaptability in his later years is his most admirable quality. imho, but Pep's Barca broke him

>the hand wringing/shaking when he was down in the 2011 final

>>75184156
Thanks m8, we got it at wholesale price after colonialism ended

>>75182997
Barcelona is right now jekyl and hide. Sometimes they play like they did before (against real madrid second time, against sevilla) but then it appears like if they had a fucking switch in the turned off position. I unironically think they have a chance if they have a good day at the camp nou + usual referee assistance.

>>75183284
That's the only way to break Barca's possession and beat them, put as much pressure on their high-defensive line as possible and hope they make mistakes

>Mourinho's 2010 Inter
>Liverpool's 4-0 preseason
>Bayern's 7-0 aggregate devastation
All major Barca losses could be placed under 'defensive blunders'

>>75184185
I am also convinced of this, but if it is true, the appropriate manager next season could easily land the treble

Their inconsistency doesn't seem technical but from manager preparation, I want it to be the end of their second golden era so bad

>>75183521
A 3-1 would have been more representative 2bh. Barcelona missed too many chances

>>75184220
>3-1
>with one legit goal annulled and Higuain chocking in front of ter stegen
How delusional can someone be?

>>75183926
Rinus Michels created the 'total football' system that Cruyff inherited and enhanced, and that Rijkaard rebuilt and Guardiola enhanced

Very sad to see Dutch footballing tactics so brilliant but their world cup achievement so poor, they are the international Juventus of losing finals

>>75184246
>Higuain chocking in front of ter stegen
Absolutely nothing out of the ordinary here

>>75184283
Ironically enough, Higuain had better match than any of Barca's players. 4 shots on target and pestering the defence with movement and duels, creating spaces for both Dybala's goals. He didn't convert his chance, but oh well.

Dont know why everyone is saying Juve were amazing. Had Ratking and Iniesta not choked their chances. On top of that this is literally the worst Barca in recent memory due to how dysfunctional the team is, and how little depth they have. 2015 Barca would have won this game due to MSNs clinical-ness and having proper fullbacks

>>75184544
yes and if juve hadnt choked their chances it would ended like 8-2. also, the iniesta chance was juves merit since buffon saved it, not like iniesta sent it into the stands

fucking christ

>>75184544
>americans
>>75184563
This.

>>75178739
you have to be a retard to be offended by the phrase. with a tiny bit of logic you'll notice barcelona is in fact a stronger squad and for them to lose they have to play worse than their potential.

>>75184563
>30% more of the ball
>twice the total touches
Considering the essentials, Italians got BTFO

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>>75184600
>barcelona is in fact a stronger squad
Yeah except the 8 players in midfield, defence and goal.

>>75183201
only on /sp/

>>75178739
>when you don’t do things well you get punished
he might be sending a message to other team mates or luis enrique, rather than putting juve down

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>>75184613
absolutely

>>75184595
>the butthurt Juve bandwagoner

I dont bandwagon Barca but it doesnt take a plastic damage controlling bandwagoner to see how garbage current Barca are. If Juve lose the second leg without scoring a goal it will just prove my point. Minor teams have beaten Barca this season so dont get carries away

who here /scared of another comback/ ?

albeit if that happens footy is confirmed rigged sport

>>75184644
Agreed with this honestly, not the most fortunate choice of words on Iniesta's part perhaps but it should be probably interpreted as "we're shit" rather than "Juve aren't that good actually".

>>75184644
He's transferring accountability to the manager while protecting his teammates, Luis Enrique will be the scapegoat for this season

>"We didn't do the things he said well, not the right things!"

>>75184680
comeback*

>>75184680
(((comeback)))

>>75184680
It would damage the CL's credibility a lot, thats Europa League-tier

Juve would have to choke much harder than they did with Pep's Bayern

>>75184689
not sure if the message blames solely luis enrique, maybe he thinks the plans were clear but the players didn't follow them

in any case, luis enrique has a huge part of the blame, he's made some really stupid decisions this season

>>75178739
I don't why 14 year olds think Uefalona plays the most amazing beautiful football in the world, they went into lang baal backpass filosofee overdrive yesterday

t. 15 year old

>>75184750
A bit early, but who's on the shortlist for his replacement?

>>75184680
No one leaves camp nou without conceding goals in a big game. A comeback is still possible if Barca are determined, MSN is in good form and Busquets is back

>>75183527
I think atletico would knock the fuck out juve 2bh

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>>75184786
Are you srs

>>75184680
I want it to happen just to see how UEFA defend themselves from all the rigged allegations

>>75184773
valverde (bilbao) and unzue (enrique's assistant)

I wonder if they are also thinking about gerard (b team manager with no experience)

>>75184818
Atletico are better than Juve and Barca did fine against them at Camp nou. Messi had some of the Juve defenders ball watching at times. If Nerman gets his A game on, they can make back the goal deficit at home

>>75184822
the same way uefa defended themselves when madrid got their ''''''''''''''lucky draws'''''''''' last season

>>75184823
Isnt Sampaoli still the preferred option? I know he's favored for the Argentina job but I doubt he would take it over the Barca job

>>75184891
he would be the fan favourite out of all candidates but he's an outsider to the club so that puts him in the back of the line considering the current board

>>75184874
>Atletico are better than Juve
And how did you come to that conclusion? Barcelona forawds were completely lost yesterday, besides that one incisive Messi's pass Juve had them completely covered. Sandro alone won like 4 duels against Messi, I don't see why the rematch should be any different. If anything, Juve will be even more focused on defence and when Barca go all out, Higuain or Dybala will just score on a counter.
They'll need three penalties.

>>75184600
>barca is stronger
The only Barca players I would want at Juve are Iniesta and maybe Neymar and Umtiti.
>>75184674
>bandwagon
Listen nigger, football here is religion, we don't "bandwagon" as you shiteating goym do.
I've also played in a local team called Juventus when I was young. Fuck off.

Champions League is not some random Liga match, idiot. I can guarantee you that Barca absolutely wanted to win the game and they did everything they could. Juve was just better.

>>75184940
Atletico have better defenders and are more organized. At Camp Nou Juve will practically be pinned in their box and wont be able to press as highly else they lose posession and risk having one of MSN score. You also forget that Busquets wasnt available and he is essential to controlling the midfield for Barca. Barca looked lost yesterday because they didnt have Busquets and Enrique went full retard in picking Mathieu

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>>75184970
Why the hell would you want Iniesta or Umtiti, lad

>>75184982
And Suarez, forgot him.
Because they're strong. Duh.
Umtiti yesterday was the only Barca player with a positive score for me and we need a young defender.

>>75184979
>Atletico have better defenders and are more organized
Highly arguable, but either way it's them or Juve as the best defending team in the world.
>Juve will practically be pinned in their box
> else they lose posession
Well we've seen how much damage Barca's passing in Juve's half did the last time lmao. Juventus don't need possession, they didn't have it yesterday and yet comfortably controlled the match the way they needed. Busquets won't change anything, they'll get destroyed on the flanks again.

>>75184979
How did Busquets do in the first leg against PSG?
Stop parroting things you heard from TV pundits.
Barca's midfield is utter shit and their defence is even worse. They were always gonna get btfo yesterday and the only reason they were is because of refball and PSG going full retard.

>>75185006
>we need a young defender
Caldara + Rugani for the future, of course. Umtiti would be virtually useless, a rotation option at best.

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>>75185054
Rude but true

Is Suarez finished? Nowadays he seems to be good only at scoring against relegation fodder and diving for penalties

>>75185142
Barca need to buy a backup striker to force Suarez to work harder for his place

>>75185142
>>75185182
He's goals to games ratio is literally 90% he's at his prime and his place is secure because Messi and Neymar could easily slot in the favored number 9 position

>>75178739
Most old-ish spanish players refuse to step down even when they do poorly.
See Ramos, Pique, Busquets, Iniesta, Koke, Pedro, Silva.

>>75184874
>atletico are better than Juve


Holy shit, my sides!

>>75184680
>>75184822

Lol so you've already determined it's rigged if Barca win 4-0 but not when they lose 3-0?

>>75183335
have a (You)

>>75183335
This

>Barca thread
>all these shit flags coming out of the woodwork

>>75183050
Only on /sp/ can you read garbage like Iniesta being a slightly better Valeron.

Absolute state of your intellect.

>>75186331
t.actual footy expert

pathetic...

>>75186365
What?

>>75183211
>Unless they get three penalties
You mean, "when they get three penalties" friendo.

>>75185865

>gelato-palette Italy
>calling other countries shit

>>75185865
Just some retarded Jewve plastic scum coming out of the woodwork to celebrate. /sp/ was like this when they beat Halal in 2015 up until they were Btfo in the final.

Barca will need only 4 goals, so there won't be even too much pressure on the ref to whistle literally everything.

some arab is so goddamn fucking angry, eufa will give them the semi's too.

no worries for barca

I cannot WAIT for the butthurt when Barca win 5-1

When was the last time Juve gave up 4 goals?

>>75185074
Rugani hasn't done anything yet and Caldara hasn't even played for Juve once, he still has to prove himself.

>>75186804
t. Massimo Moratti

>>75183335
Jesus

>>75178739
What else is new?
Xavi used to complain about grass

>>75178739
That's not wrong though? Impossible to say anything about that without context.

During Dybala's second goal, Mascherano is leterally jogging back alongside Iniesta, who is also casually jogging back, leaving Dybala totally unmarked

>>75187400
never

>>75183050
BURN

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>>75183066
>homework

>>75183284
There is such a thing as dominating the pitch vs dominating the ball you underage pleb

In this match Jube dominated the pitch

Is Mandzukic the most underrated player in the world?

>>75183926
Having UEFA refs on your side is far more important
Don't forget Unicef being your sponsor

Tiki-Taka is a meme
Football was it's best in the late 90s/early 2000s(2000 to 2004 or so) when it was fast, direct and explosive as all fuck

Attackers used to make you shit on your pants

>>75184786
>No one leaves camp nou without conceding goals in a big game.
Bayern did a couple of years ago

>>75183357
ENGLAND BTFO