Why do people say He's a system qb? He's successfully

Because they can. If Manning hadn't taken 4 different coaches to a Super Bowl then that would help. It also doesn't look good when every player that leaves the pats sucks on other teams.

>>74123711
Because some people are morons.

>>74123711
how so? the only time they deviated from their typical west coast offense was during the randy moss era.

>>74123711
They say it out of transparent jealousy and wanting an explanation to discredit his accomplishments.

You think other coaches might study the last 17 years of Patriots tape and figure out the "system" and attempt to duplicate their success?

Because they're mad as fuck retards and think it somehow discredits him that he has an offensive coordinator.

>>74123735
Could you imagine Peyton+Belichick?

>>74123745
They were a ground and pound run team early in his career, to a five wide air raid, to a two tight end balance attack to this off tackle modified west coast style

>>74123735
>manning took kubiak to the super bowl

>>74123783
don't understand what any of this means

>>74123783
they were never a five wide team, the hell are you talking about kid?

>>74123773
Peyton sucks in playoffs

>>74123749
>They say it out of transparent jealousy and wanting an explanation to discredit his accomplishments.
That's it.
9094 career post season pass yards, no one is even close.

>>74123808
2007, Moss, stallworth, Welker, gaffney and normally they'd have Watson split out from the line instead of putting in Washington

>>74123807
Neither do the people that call him a system QB

>>74123837
do you know what five wide means? it means five wide receivers.

>>74123841
Yea I know what it means, if you split the the off the line with 4 other receivers out there you now have 5 fucking receivers

Whenever there is a common thread in a great athlete's career idiots can point to it and say he's shit because he couldn't win without it.
I guess in Brady's case it's Belichick and his pathologic footballing autism.

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>it takes years to understand this offense

>>74123841
i.e. five players separated from the line of scrimmage

>>74123846
WIDE receivers. that's a specific name that refers to a specific position.

>>74123841
If you have five pass catchers outside with nobody in a TE or RB position, it's considered a 5 wide formation regardless of personnel

>>74123841
you do realise that you can line up a TE or a RB as a WR, right?

>>74123852
His roster title doesn't fucking matter if he's playing as essentially a wide receiver

The pattern is the same whether it's a split out te or another wide receiver

If Brady is a system QB then so is Montana and Rodgers by the definition ppl label it.

And it's double for Montana and Rodgers since Walsh and McCarthy are Offensive head coaches.

>>74123852
that specific position is lining up split from the offensive line, how daft are you

>>74123853
>>74123857
>>74123868
then you're talking about an individual play, not an entire offensive scheme. a "five wide air raid" scheme means you plan to beat your opponents by overwhelming them with speed.

>>74123904
You trying to say Ben Watson wasn't fast as fuck?

He was Jimmy Graham before Jimmy Graham

>>74123904
Jesus Christ, you're arguing the most pointless semantics and you aren't even right.

>>74123888
Montana is absolutely a system QB and the beneficiary of a stickem babby.

>>74123917
no, i'm trying to say that wide receiver is an actual fucking position in the game of football, not an arbitrary nickname. and the five wide formation gets its name from having five wide receivers on the field, with nobody in the slot and nobody in the backfield.

>>74123852
My dude, a WR is literally anyone split off from the offensive line eligible for a pass. You have clearly never played football. Yes, there are people who specialize in playing as a wide receiver, but you can have literally anyone with an eligible jersey number do the job and they're still considered a WR.

>>74123931
That doesn't fucking matter, if you have 5 people lined up as receivers it doesn't matter what their roster spot says, in terms of the rules of the game they're fucking receivers

>>74123931
You define player's position by how they line up pre snap and what their role is on the play.

Not by the label on their Madden profile.

this thread really sums up the level of nfl knowledge on this board

>>74123966

Nah, it just sums up that there's one autist in this thread that thinks you aren't running 5 wide receivers because one of those receivers might be an RB or a TE

>>74123947
>>74123955
>>74123956
you're all wrong. the whole fucking point of five wide formation is speed. that's why it's ONLY used for gains of 15 yards or more. you can line up a tight end at the edge if you want. but that doesn't mean your whole fucking offensive scheme is five wide. five wide means speed.

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>>74124109

>>74124109
jesus christ

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>>74124109
five wide means five players split from the offensive line, please accept this.

>>74123801
he did win that conference game against the pats

>>74124109
>that's why it's ONLY used for gains of 15 yards or more
so all those times that teams go empty backfield on 3rd and 1, those were all in our collective imagination?

at this point i hope you're trolling

>>74124109
You are the most retarded poster on 4chan.

>>74124294
Pretty much this tbqhf

>>74124238
five wide is a passing formation that implies five wide receivers are on the field. most teams have 6 WRs, so they can insert a running back or tight end to create a FOUR wide formation if need be. but a five wide air raid scheme is not that.

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>>74124109
>five wide means speed

its just grasping at straws