Camgirls, I need your insight here (everyone's okay to give

You just now realized camgirls are real people?

You're an idiot and should probably never reproduce.

>>25344179
>It's not that right there I realized camgirls are also people, I've been questioning myself about what's in their mind for a very long time
Dude read that carefully.

Women can be sexual, and freely express their sexuality in a number of ways. Thinking that all camgirls are trapped and obligated to do camming is just a really outdated view of human sexuality, where women are demure shy creatures who are incapable of being sexual without going all out and becoming total sluts.

>>25344315
This. I have a lot of respect for camgirls generally but she's also expecting money from these dudes, she knows the score and desu seems pretty bitchy to complain about being some sexual object or of having to do the very thing expected of you. I mean, fuck. I hate the hard work I put in every day, the same shit. That's life. and daresay I'd find it quite pleasant to work from my own room all day. I envy that freedom.

Politics indeed.. kek

Go forth and Wank. Find one who genuinely enjoys what she does

I don't see any reason to feel bad about watching a camwhore. They're an independent person, they can decide what they want to do with their lives. I'm not going to rob them of their agency by assuming that they're all poor unfortunate victims forced into something they don't want to do. That's a bunch of white-knight bullshit. It's not true and it infantilizes a perfectly competent human being.

A girl can be intelligent & kinky. The two aren't mutually exclusive. And if you've got the looks, the talent, and the marketing skills, camwhoring seems like a pretty good way to make money. I don't see what's wrong with it.

>>25342652
>she would talk of politics only to keep herself sane
What were her political positions?

>>25344315
>Thinking that all camgirls are trapped and obligated to do camming is just a really outdated view of human sexuality, where women are demure shy creatures who are incapable of being sexual without going all out and becoming total sluts.
I don't think that. I know very well that women can be sexual without being sluts. That said, it does make me wonder whether camgirls genuinely enjoy the experience, considering they get so many sexual messages so often, I do feel it can be overwhelming for them.

>>25344376
>seems pretty bitchy to complain about being some sexual object or of having to do the very thing expected of you
Agreed, why did she put up with being a camgirl for so long, no idea, especially if she knew she was supposed to do all of that. If she wanted company so much (which she said she did) there are many, better ways to have that.

>>25344416
I'm not saying they aren't intelligent or poor unfortunate victims, it's just it baffles me they somehow get to put up with so many shallow guys. I don't know what to think, and that's precisely why I need the input from a camgirl, so that at least I can ease my mind on that regard.

I don't think they're victims. I'm just a massive caretaker in all ends, not just girls, and not just camgirls.

>>25344419
Wish I knew. She didn't specify.

>>25342652
You masturbated to them cos you thought they weren't people??

That's sad. I masturbate to people who I feel like are people because I can relate to them, not just cos they are bodies.

Why are you a psychopath sociopath OP?

>>25344474
This is coming from a camwhore who does it for free btw.

>>25344474
See >>25344208

>>25344481
You know that person is telling you to read your own words carefully to realize you are a sociopath/psychopath right?

>>25344474
>That's sad. I masturbate to people who I feel like are people because I can relate to them, not just cos they are bodies.

Well, to be fair this right here is a major difference between men and women. Desire in men tends to be strongly oriented to visual stimuli. That's why men jerk it to porn and Harlequin has sold 150,000,000 books.

That's not to say girls can't crank one out to porn or guys don't read fapfics, but you've got to admit there's a strong gender differentiated tendency towards certain kinds of wank material.

>>25344486
Let me lay it out better for you.

No, I did know very much camgirls are human. I know as much. So badly that I must set my own natural tendency to care for them to a side in order to have my sexual needs met (in the case of porn it's a must; in the case of a gf it comes along with everything else), and pretty much convince myself they're genuinely enjoying it (which is true in several cases).

However I cannot stop thinking about whether they're truly enjoying it (which is why I always look for the most real orgasms - because that's how I really know it's not them pretending to enjoy it), and once I found an article of a girl who used to cam revealing how much went through her head and how she hated a lot of things I immediately felt a good deal of guilt.

Hope I've explained myself better.

>>25344497
I'd rather sleep with women then.

>>25344500
Then what about all the girls who do it for free like who come here, They dont even charge money so doesnt it stand to reason that they like it??

>>25344506
Well I can't argue with you there. But I want to make sure you're not misunderstanding me. I'm not saying camwhores should be dehumanized or something; far from it. I'm just trying to say that men like looking at women's bodies and don't need to know their personality to enjoy their appearance.

>>25344507
Here's a cognitive disconnection I need to address. Yes, it does make sense when you lay it out like that. But then I get into those threads, read all the guys who just go full

>damn bby I'd slam that pussy
>10/10 would impregnate

and so on and I just end up wondering if the girl genuinely enjoys all of that. It just baffles me entirely.

>>25344518
Has anyone ever said any thing of that nature to you or desired you on any level without you having to pay them to do it?

>>25344518
>I just end up wondering if the girl genuinely enjoys all of that.
Free ego boost. Who wouldn't want proof of their own desirability? Maybe your confusion is because straight guys don't really experience the same phenomenon.

>>25344527
Because theres also tons of guys who post here, in gay threads even though they aren't gay just to feel desired and/or exposed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhibitionism

>>25344532
Yeah I don't buy that. You don't get many actual straight male camwhores who pose and take requests and such. It's almost all single dick pics. 99% of them are just insecure about their dicks and want reassurance.

>>25344534
Plenty of straight guys in the male ass and body threads.

>>25344526
Um, I suppose my ex counts? Although she wasn't as overtly open about it, but I do remember her getting all aroused at times and restraining herself from doing anything because it was in a public place.

On the other hand I don't recall anybody desiring me exactly because of my body, which was okay because I haven't feel pressured to look in this or that way.

>>25344534
>You don't get many actual straight male camwhores who pose and take requests and such
This, females don't really request male body shots, that's just gay guys doing the same requests and no straight guy would actually do that for a guy.

As a straight guy if I felt desired for a guy I would just go full "ugh".

>>25344548
>As a straight guy if I felt desired for a guy I would just go full "ugh".
not all guys think that.

Another thing is that a guy's thoughts are a lot less crude and bestial after we've cum. Testosterone is a helluva drug. We're probably less prone to objectifying women after cumming, but then again we're also a lot less likely to seek out erotic imagery after cumming.

>>25342652
Dude.... it's not all that bad. Former camgirl girl. If I was in a shit mood, I wouldn't cam. Simple as that. I'm naturally very horny and an attention whore so I did like it to an extent. I didn't like the messes and scammers.

>>25344557
Fine, I will speak for myself then.

My other point stands, however.

>>25344569
Agreed. As uncommon as it is for a guy, when I was with my ex I just looked forward to cuddle and hold her after I was done.

>>25344577
To an extent? I mean, was just all of that what you didn't like or is there something else you didn't like from the experience?

>>25344469
>That said, it does make me wonder whether camgirls genuinely enjoy the experience, considering they get so many sexual messages so often, I do feel it can be overwhelming for them.

If it's someone who's doing it for money, it's a job. Some people like their job, others don't. But there's a major difference between someone who's doing it for fun versus doing it as a steady source of income.

Girls who do it for fun are maybe nonplussed by the more overtly sexual comments, or enjoy them as an ego boost, or don't care at all because they're exhibitionists and get off on taking pictures/videos. Most don't last more than a couple months (on here, anyway) and the ones who have been doing it for years will cycle thru periods of activity and being burnt out, because ultimately it's repetitive and can lose its appeal quickly.

Girls who do it for an income are basically just actors that happen to get naked and masturbate. It isn't easy work, it requires a lot of self-marketing to generate and maintain interest, you have to always be 'on' when you're on camera. You're competing with hundreds of other women, so you can't just simply be physically attractive, you have to be interesting and engaging.

So the answer you're maybe looking for is that it depends. On its own, a handful of times, it can be a thrilling and new adventure. After doing it a couple dozen or hundred times, you can be pretty unenthusiastic about it. It all depends on their personality and whether they enjoy it.

>>25344687
In a way you're confirming my suspicions, although it's not as radical. The ones who do it for fun get off from exhibiting themselves or from the ego boosts, and both them and the ones who do it as a job will end up burnt out and just leave.

So in short some do have fun sometimes, and other times they're as annoyed as the girl I read about. And because I cannot determine which one is which I do end up worrying whether that's the case or not. And I cannot enjoy anything if there's a seed of doubt about the other girl, because I would despise myself if I somehow contributed them to feel more annoyed or anything.

It's an awful feeling, when you genuinely don't want to be a bother to anyone.

Interesting thread.

>>25345482
Oh? Thank you!

>>25344724
Why does it bother you knowing that girls get burnt out from sex every so often? You yourself said you had a girlfriend, im sure there were plenty of nights when she wasn't interested in sex, and im sure theres been times you weren't either. Its only natural to become burnt out from sex, especially with women who experience it even more so because of the rise and fall of hormones from their periods
No one is horny 24/7, it doesn't mean they don't enjoy sex when they're having it

>>25345513
>Why does it bother you knowing that girls get burnt out from sex every so often?
Of course that's not what bothers me. What bothers me is to feel like I potentially could be a nuisance. If a girl is enjoying herself, great! But I literally have no way of knowing because they may be very well lying to get... something? Money, approval, I have no idea.

>You yourself said you had a girlfriend, im sure there were plenty of nights when she wasn't interested in sex, and im sure theres been times you weren't either
We only had one day we spent together fully, and the rest would be some couple of hours where we would just walk and talk and such. And considering that some of our weekly days were spent by either her not wanting to meet, or where we would meet at her house... Well, we would have sex one to two times a month. So I don't know if this even applies if at all.

I'm a former camgirl and used to be pretty active on some cam model forums.

Camming, as with any job, can get repetitive if you're not actively trying to mix it up every now and then. Plus, being a "customer service" sort of job, it also shares some pitfalls with non-SW customer service jobs like retail insomuch that you're constantly having to communicate with a lot of people who have no tact or self-awareness, nor any respect for other human beings. One of the things any cam model recommends to anyone getting into the field is to have a thick skin and know how to handle shitty people. Not only do they get dick pics and shallow comments, but camgirls get stalkers, harassment (even from other camgirls), scammers- the whole 9 yards.

It sounds like the cam girl whose experiences you read simply wasn't cut out for it because she found it too exhausting. That's the thing with camming: people expect it to be an easy job when it really... isn't, it is mentally and emotionally taxing.

I can tell you that most camgirls who last, only do so because they enjoy the job despite all it's difficulties. Girls who aren't dedicated and willing do not last. At all.

If you're concerned with whether or not the girls want to "be there", then I suggest just sticking to more veteran models.

>>25345794
Thank you very much for your insight. It's precisely that "mentally and emotionally taxing" part I don't want to be part of. I don't want to be responsible of some girl getting stressed out precisely because of all those pitfalls. You also have a point: camming isn't precisely an easy job and many girls are in for the easy money... which isn't so easy after all.

Thank you, too, for the advice. That at least should ease my concerns, if they lasted for so long then they probably enjoy it despite everything.

Just a question, how do I tell them apart of the others?

>>25342652
Don't feel bad man. It's a career choice. It's like going to work

>>25345978
Let's suppose I'm talking to a cashier who suddenly had a bad day and I can tell from their face. Of course I do get concerned, I let them continue their work but if I see something comes up maybe I could offer a hand or something - I don't want to make them feel any worse.

Or I could just be a good customer by treating others well, in general.

Same goes here.