Hi /sci/ any PhD fags here? Considering getting a PhD after I

That is a big match. Could probably make alot of meth with that.

I got a PhD and regretted it. Probably going back to school

>>9140125
Red phosphorus is found in the striker strips on the matchbox, not the matches themselves.

>>9140122
Currently doing a PhD, what's up

>>9140159
which field, anon

>>9140314
OP here I'm doing computer science. I didn't post this thread on /g/ for obvious reasons.

There's something I'm curious about related to this topic going to hijack this thread to ask. I'm curious about the general process PhDs go through. Not about the PhD itself, but the process of getting to the cutting edge of knowledge. My guess is it goes something along the lines of:
>read a bunch of past and current papers on your topic.
>after you have read all the papers covering research in your topic, you probably start to get some ideas of gaps between all the research that has been done.
>now you're at the cutting edge of human knowledge and researching something new that nobody has before.

what field oP?

math phd reporting

>>9140154
Somebody just finished watching season 2 of breaking bad

>>9140378
pretty much

for biosciences: you spend a year or two taking graduate level coursework, then you're done. the rest of the next five to seven years is you doing experiments and reading papers. you'll start off with projects your PI assigns to you, but the idea is that as you progress you'll get a better idea of both the current state of the field and your own personal scientific interests. by the end of grad school you have a good enough handle on your sub-field that you can hang with postdocs or maybe even PIs in terms of proposing novel, useful experiments that you're motivated to complete and competent to perform

>>9140314
Undergrad in biochem
Phd field is molecular nutrition
I do HPLC all day pretty much
>>9140378
Literally
>>9140418
Except that my lab shits people out much faster than that, for which I am grateful

>>9140122
Im in a PhD program but literally just started classes, am a lowly first year. I can answer questions about the application process and stuff but not really about the program yet. biochemistry

>>9140122
Yes, I have my PhD.

>>9140122

how do you get into a phd without a master's?

>>9140587
Be an exceptional applicant

>>9140589

Exceptional? best-in-class.

.. in courses with hard, interesting projects.

fucking mediocre in lecture exams. (3.2)

I'm not doing a master's because I don't wanna deal with the bullshit courses involved.

I guess I'm just not conformist enough for academia.

>>9140587
>>9140589
Depending on the field, some programs don't require a masters. I'm from Canada where masters was required but came to USA and my program doesn't require one.

>>9140605
It helps to have good grades, but if you are planning on applying to graduate school for a research-oriented discipline, it's often best to have research experience yourself. That research would, ideally, include some publication(s) of your results. That not only demonstrates your competence as a budding scientist, but also that you understand what it takes to undertake a massive project like a doctoral dissertation.

>>9140587
>>9140616
letters of rec are pretty big too. but yes research experience is probably bigger overall

>>9140618
The other option is that you start off as a master's student and are offered the opportunity to bypass it for your PhD instead. I've only seen this happen once in my academic career, so I don't know how often this occurs.

>>9140131
>I got a PhD
In what, being a retard?

>>9140620
Out of interest, what is your academic career? People randomly switching up or down is pretty common

>>9140621
It's not an uncommon sentiment, especially in fields where employment opportunities are extremely limited/competitive.

>>9140616
>>9140618

Instead of doing that I spent my time playing the startup game. obviously the research isn't publicized (other than some patents one of which has my name on it)

I've participated in 4 startups, in 2 of which I held c level positions. would that be enough for a legit consideration?

>>9140620
not signing up for a master's.

>>9140625
Biological sciences in general, but my specialization is in quantitative ecology.

>>9140626
Being retarded? Or getting paid peanuts to slave for a professor if you didn't have strong employment prospects

>>9140629
Either or, your choice.

For those who have PhD and for those who have masters

How much do extra curricular activities add to being an applicant? Im an undergrad in Econ. and havr involved myself with societies and other organisations boosting my leadership and other soft skills

Also. How much is it worth to do work experience at a company, for e.g. data analyst summer experience, if I want to persue postgraduate education?

UK fag here

>>9140627
I honestly don't know how startups would be perceived in my field (see >>9140628 for my background).

>>9140632

agricultural modeling for example?

>>9140694
Could be useful depending on what type of modeling approaches, as well as what type of programs (e.g., R, SAS, GIS), you're familiar with. I would make sure to emphasize that aspect and tailor your application letter/letter of intent accordingly.

>>9140626
My point was
>I got a PhD
Nobody with a decent level of education writes "I got", the guy is obviously a retard and definitely does not have a PhD.

>>9140700
He/she doesn't necessarily have English as their first language. Also, keep in mind you're critiquing grammar on 4chan.

Had to make this decision a while ago. Here are my thoughts:

At the end of my bachelors I was like fuck yeah lets do phd. Then I did a masters first and after that I lost all desire to do it, because I believe current pure math research is just retarded.

If you're in it for the teaching, then go right ahead.
If you're in it for the research be careful my man, because it might get boring real fast when you realize nobody will ever really care about what you spent the last three years doing.

You should ask yourself what marketable skills you will have after your phd other than the title, because I see many people doing a phd and then basically having wasted 3 years and have gained nothing but a piece of paper.

I'm not saying you shouldn't do it, just that you should have a contingency plan in place.

>>9140707
>You should ask yourself what marketable skills you will have after your phd other than the title, because I see many people doing a phd and then basically having wasted 3 years and have gained nothing but a piece of paper.
This is a very good point, and this likely contributes to many people regretting that they pursued a PhD. Learn a programming language at the very least (I'd suggest R) - those skills translate very well to different jobs.

>>9140698

that was just an example for you I could think of, assuming that was you.

the things I do/did (engineering, comp-sci, human biology) are tangentially relevant to the things I wanna do (genomics). Obviously I'll expect to have to take supplemental courses (although I'd rather read up on the topics myself)

I'm pretty confident I could set up my own research and manage the entire eventual project without handholding. what I do want is access to the network, data, equipment and funding.

>>9140718
Genomics is a highly interdisciplinary field nowadays, so most knowledge you bring is valuable. Everyone who starts working there has to learn something. It's important to get a bit familiar with the field though, so you can figure out where current challenges lie and what your vision on them is.

>>9140885

appreciation is in short supply on this site, so I'd like to thank you for the implicit encouragement :)

>>9140707
>If you're in it for the teaching, then go right ahead.

As though there were another viable reason.

>>9140902
>What is research

>>9140955
it's only possible when one is smart
most people are retarded

>>9140621
Probs liberal arts

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Question: would it be worthwhile to pursue a MSc before a PhD?
I went to a small school for undergraduate. It has no name recognition, few alumni in academia, and it's degree programs were pretty straightforward. Most of my friends had a lot of electives to choose from at their schools (state universities), I didn't really have that option. I still took 40+ semester hours of degree-specific courses for each of my majors, I just didn't have the option to specialize all that much.
I was thinking I could go to a slightly/significantly better school for my MSc before applying to an even better PhD program. Do you think this will work? I'm not trying to go from Compton Community College to Caltech, but from a generic state school to a well-recognized state school (e.g., CU Boulder, UCLA, etc.).

>PhD direct from bachelors
Unless you're deepthroating academia left and right a babyfaced PhD with no relevant experience outside of his degree is going to get you severely underemployed if you go into private industry.

>>9140707
>pure math
>not choosing applied math

>>9140345
>CS
D R O P P E D
Who /g/ here?

>>9140589
>Be an exceptional applicant
>undergrad tards actually believe this

I was an unexceptional math undergrad and i got into phd program because i had research experience with a professor that is a big shot in the department.

>>9140122
Your experience will be dramatically impacted by who your PI is and how they run their lab. One anecdotal example, a guy I know did his PhD in a very chill lab. Everyone was friendly, people worked 6-8 hour days, had weekends off and still graduated in 5 years.

Now he's a post-doc in a really intense lab. Everyone there works 9-5, goes home for dinner, goes back to lab and works 7:30-11 6 days a week. Most people work 7 days a week. He's loving it but I would want to shoot myself in that environment.

>>9140587
Most people get into a PhD program without a masters. Your first 2 or so years of your PhD are the same coursework you'd do for a masters. That's why if you drop out of your PhD program you still get a masters degree.

The big things they look at for applying to a PhD program are your GPA, letters of rec, research experience and publications. Getting published as an undergrad gives you big points for getting into a PhD program.

I'm starting year 3 of a computational chemistry PhD

I like chemistry but it's a career dead end unless you're exceptional and I'm not. So I'm trying to stay somewhat near it, but all the analytical coding/data skills/that kind of stuff that I'm learning will hopefully allow me to jump out from academia altogether and go get a boring well paying business or finance job later, if chemistry doesn't work out

>>9142797
Not sure what country you're from but in aus I can get a phd from a diploma and a bachelors (4yrs)

>>9140122
>being allowed to start a phd directly after bachelors
>the program is also only 3 years

have fun on your easy mode trip.

>>9140122
Starting my fourth year in a biophysics PhD.

I'd echo some of the advice which as been previously mentioned in this thread (which has been pretty good, IMO): first, once you're past the GPA/GRE screens, letters of rec, research experience, and publications (if you have any) are most important to your application; second, your PI and lab environment will more impact your doctorate than the "science", that is, the system that you're working on.

>>9140122
Work as a student assistant first to get insights into how work in academia is like. And try to find our how your future advisor is before applying: Find out how many people finished in the last years - if people drop out regularly, avoid, something is wrong. If too many people graduate each year, avoid, it's probably very bureaucratic and nobody will give a shit about you.

>>9140122
ye i'm pursuing a phd in financial math and complex/stochastic analysis after leaving a comp sci phd at UChicago ask me anything

>>9140378
basically this

>>9140700
do you want to know how i know you've never in your life even had a conversation with a grad student?

>>9140631
things you need for a strong application in order are
>research experience
>relevant internship experience (for applied fields like econ)
>letters of recommendation
>a strong and well-written statement of purpose
>lots of coursework + difficult coursework + good grades in that coursework
>good standardized test scores
>extra-curriculars
>literally anything else

look at where extra-curriculars fall on that list

>>9140707
>i believe current pure math research is just retarded
i'm sure your opinion holds a lot of clout in the community of people who actually matter

>>9140902
>doesn't know the glory of applied STEM phd programs with lucrative industry careers like econ, math, and physics
lmfoa why r udnergrads still alllowed on this board

>>9142797
most people who aren't drooling retards like you and have ambitions outside of academia do these incredible things called internships during their summers

>>9143252
>doing a lab-based PhD
i think i would honestly rather kill myself
t. mathfag

someone help me. I recently got rejected to all my aerospace engineering PhD programs when I applied last year for the fall 17 sem. My stats:

>BS from a US school (ranked around 30 in US) with a decent mechanical engineering ranking. Not the best for my field and my graduate interests are virtually non-existent.

>GPA 3.58, major GPA 3.88, Highest distinction, took 4 non cross-listed graduate coursework. Minor in Physics.

>Did research last summer in a field distantly connected to what I plan on doing.

> Q 165/ V 155/ W 4.5

It freaking sucks to get rejected from all your programs. I've lost a lot of my confidence and it has made me go through sinusoidal depression pangs.

I'm going for a round 2 this year. Determined to not let it get the better of me. Going to apply to UIUC for the spring sem and a bunch of other schools with UMich being my top school.

What do you think /sci/? Do you think I might have a chance. Btw I'm international and my field of interest is computational aerodynamics.

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>>9140122
I have a Philosophers Degree in all STEM disciplines.
I'm practically a god.

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Why don't you just find a small town CNC machine shop an work your way to the top?

>>9140409
any advice for an undergrad who would like to pursue phd. should i get involved in extracurriculars.

>>9143013
Install gentoo
>>9140345
Reinstall gentoo

>>9145447
>my field of interest is computational aerodynamics
what interesting research is done in this area, out of curiosity?

>>9146999
geometry optimization of aerofoils and fuselage. Literally the shape of the aircraft being determined by optimization algorithms. The rest are the usual CFD and FEA.

>>9145447
>Btw I'm international
Fucking DROPPED. Fuck off foreign scum, no school will ever want you to walk their halls.

>>9140700
PhDs in linguistics talk idiomatically all the time. You're a literal fucking retard if you go with this "muh proper English" bullshit in the modern world.

I was in a PhD program and dropped out. If I were who I was now back then I would probably have finished it, though it would be at an extreme cost. I don't know, it's a huge commitment and it's not a guaranteed pay-off. Ask yourself if you REALLY love the subject and if you REALLY have the personality to make something of it.

>>9140122
What kind of cool shit can I go to graduate school for with my degrees in computer science, linguistics, and anthropology? (before the question, currently in second bachelor's for cs, first bachelor's was double major in the two latter majors)

>>9147625
Should say, fuck academia, I'm looking for dat usey-useful type shit ya heard me.

>>9143277
define exceptional

how the fuck do you publish as an undergrad? does a thesis count?

>>9143013
Computer Engineering here and browsing /g/

>>9140621
>>9140629
>>9140700

PhD in Physics checking in.

You'd be surprised just how few jobs there are for PhD grads. You basically need to be a high IQ genius or have published more than 4 papers during your PhD in order to stand out and get jobs in academia, industry or the military.

Luckily I learnt programming so I am a full time freelancing data "scientist" now.

>>9147708

Normally 2 paths:

1) Apply for an internship or final year project in a research group that is definitely going to publish a paper and will include you in their list of authors
2) Research the literature yourself and find a niche area where you think you can contribute to. Discuss with your professor on whether you can publish a paper in this area.

>>9143291
You mean a three year bachelor and honours to get into a PhD program?
Aus here too

>tfw submitted my PhD thesis after 7 years total bachelor + honours + PhD
>tfw going to a job in Europe where it takes double this time to get a PhD

Are you tards even trying?

>>9147580
Suck my dick anon.. good luck getting greasy at mc Donald's while the brown and yellow race conquers the land of the free.

>>9145425
How the fugg do i get research experience and an intership when i just finished 1st year?

Any synthetic organic or organometallic PhD fags in here? Is it as shitty as people say it is?

>>9148197
how good are you at programming? and what the hell is data science

I should be defending my PhD in ECE in about 2 months

>>9145425
>relevant internship experience (for applied fields like econ)

Should I even bother mentioning this for a (discrete) math MSc? Like if I did my undergrad in CS/math double major, and I did (software engineering) internships at Facebook and Google, would this matter at all? I mean it's not really related, but does /sci/ know/think that it will have any impact at all? (I have research experience, etc, etc too. I'm just curious if it would help me at all, or just be something neutral/maybe slight positive due to having job experience in general (ie not being a total autist).)

>>9149597
>Should I even bother mentioning this
that's a stupid question

>>9148484
you don't apply to grad school until your third/fourth year, faggot

>>9149597
>should i bother mentioning something that will bolster my application
i don't think you have the mental ability for grad school, anon

>>9148484
apply for internships. volunteer for professors

Chemistry. Graduated three years ago this October.

>>9148797
>>9149841
Heavily depends on where you go, who you work for, and on what project and your attitude. If you choose your school and advisor and projects with prejudice you'll do well. If you go in with an attitude expecting the worst you cannot be disappointed.

If you can't decide between organic and organometallics, I suggest looking into Metallocenes for polymerizations or other initiators.

>>9149812
>>9149757

I guess I wrote that a bit weird. I meant I'll put it, but do you think they'll care much beyond the fact that it's a paid job?

>>9149958
whatever your area of study will be in grad school, make it sound like you used that type of shit at your internship

>>9149841
and what are you doing now?

>>9149958
Yeah, if the internship was relevant to your field then the admissions committee will care a lot

I'll give the example of applying to a Computer Science PhD and having done an internship as a software developer over the summer
even if you're going into theoretical computer science, or if your intended specialization has nothing to do with the precise details of your internship, you still did an internship in an area that is highly relevant to both the coursework and also potentially the research you'll engage in in a CS PhD program

another example would be interning as a data analyst while applying to Applied Math PhD programs

in any event, it's not quite as desirable as being published or having done something like an REU, but it still looks very good on your application and gives you something great to write about on your statement of purpose

this all still holds but to a lesser extent for more abstract/less applied fields like pure math, theoretical physics, or literature, where the expectation is that you will be going into academia more likely than not upon graduation

>>9146956
just choose a masters project in an area that attracts lot's of funding and get to know people around the department. If you can get a summer placement in one of the groups even better.

Getting a PhD seems to just be a matter of being in the right place when someone gets a grant.

(UKfag btw this might make no sense elsewhere)

>>9148238
where in Europe? In the UK bachelors + masters + PhD in 7.5 years is the typical length

Microbiology PhD student here. 2nd year.

>>9150466

But I absolutely didn't. Beyond working with some elementary linear algebra a few times I didn't do any math.

>>9151149

It's not. It was generic software development. I didn't use much math in it. I want to study math, in particular combinatorics.

>>9151227
i said "make it sound" like you did. what are they gonna do, call your boss from the internship and question him?

>>9150480
My focus was polymer chemistry, synthesis and characterization of light changing materials. Now I work at a window glazings company making polyelectrolytes.

>>9151227
That's still related jesus christ dude
I'm going back to my earlier statement that maybe you don't have what it takes for grad school. Think about your internship and, if there is anything at all that could relate to your grad program (here's a hint, faggot: math grad programs, especially applied math programs, but also pure math programs, require at least a decent amount of coding, at the bare minimum for computing data on examples or conjectures so you have meaningful things to present to advisors and so you don't waste your time chasing theorems that have computationally trivial counterexamples that might not be easy to visualize analytically) then THE ADMISSIONS COMMITTEE WILL LIKE THAT SHIT
How fucking hard is that for you to understand?
And in the rare case that all you fucking did in your internship as a software dev was bring the real developers coffee and then browse facebook, JUST DON'T FUCKING MENTION IT IN YOUR STATEMENT OF PURPOSE. Leave it in your resume and let the admissions committee draw their own conclusions, which would be in your favour in that case.

Christ you make me so mad. Don't pursue grad school you don't fucking deserve it and you'll most likely flunk out when you take your quals you daft cunt.

>>9151227
>>9151408
And holy shit you're studying combinatorics, a subfield of math with DIRECT computational applications and in which many modern combinatorialists use programming almost constantly
Fucking hang yourself

>>9151179
yeah that doesn't really make much sense for the US

>>9151408
>>9151409

Yeah, but the kind of programming you do at work is generally very different than what you would be doing in, say, research. I had to do programming as part of some of the undergrad research I did. It was focused purely on performance mostly and pulled a lot from math, rather than architecture-level optimizations you might do in industry. The stuff from work had much more to do with how well the code will age with respect to changes to the system down the road, how modular/etc it is, not too much how fast it is. Like of course coding is useful - but it's an entirely different domain.

Just to be clear, I wasn't questioning if I should mention it at all, but moreso whether it would matter /that much/.

>>9151450
the fact that you're still debating this means you're a lost cause

>>9151450
jesus christ dude
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impostor_syndrome

Which areas of economics attract the most funding and will do for the next 7+ years?

t. UKfag

>>9151484
no idea but a PhD in economics with half a brain will make fucking bank either way so i'm not sure it's of much importance
i'd suggest you pursue the area of econ you're most interested in so that you'll have the will and drive to actually write an impactful dissertation and make an impression on future employers/academic peers

>>9140538
Biochem major here.

How fulfilling is the field in your opinion? I'm taking the dive to quit work and go to school full time and I'm hoping I don't end up wanting to kill myself.

Final year of my bachelor, 3.85 GPA, thinking about pursuing a career in academia. I'm just extremely worried about how exhausting that life is.

I know you have some control over how much work you want to do, but I cannot imagine that teaching, correcting, directing master/PhD pupils, doing actual research work, peer-reviewing, reading/replying to mail, trying to get grants and spending time reading publications in your field to stay up to date doesn't at least cumulate to over 60h / week. Hell I'd imagine the average professor / researcher works at least 80h a week

Can anyone with experience confirm?

>>9145447
>aerospace engineering
Assuming your in the USA, 90% of aerospace jobs and opportunities are government and rocket technology/research is considered advanced weapon technology. Unless you are a citizen it is going to be very difficult to get into aerospace.

>>9149958
YES YOU FUCKING DOLT, YOU DIDN'T WORK AT MCDONALDS YOU WORKED AT TWO OF THE LARGEST CORPORATIONS IN AMERICA DOING HIGHLY TECHNICAL WORK

WHO THE FUCK TOLD YOU HOW TO WRITE A RESUME. 80% OF ALL THIS SHIT IS WORKING WITH A TEAM AND HAVING SOFT SKILLS IN A TECHNICAL FIELD

>>9151767
What field?

I was considering academia but the climate for funding dissuaded me so I went into industry. Especially during the 2013 government shut down courtesy of Ted Cruz. My PhD group lost an 8 million dollar Grant from the god damn airforce.

I would have loved to have been a professor but god damn did not want to deal with worrying about money

>>9151450
Anon, are you legit a retard or do you lack a spine? Perhaps a combination of both?

>>9151829
>80% OF ALL THIS SHIT IS WORKING WITH A TEAM AND HAVING SOFT SKILLS IN A TECHNICAL FIELD

Engineer here. This is truth.

I spend most of my day either in a meeting, sending emails, or writing carefully wordsmithed reports.

>>9151832
CS meme degree.

I feel for you, my dude.

>>9151832
Cruz is such a piece of shit. Intentionally caused damage to our country for shitty political reasons

>>9151850
I know. My wife got double fucked by that. She lost her funding then had to walk work on a totally shit project only to have the sequester end and she was put back on the reactivated grant but still had to provide results for both equally while getting paid the same.

>>9151722
Could I still make bank as a professor?

Or is it I would then have to go into the corporate world, if so, is it that I need work experience/intership or is a PhD enough?

>>9152249
>bank as a professor?
you don't become a professor for the money

>>9152249
the few professors that actually make a decent wage (read: 6 figures, usually between 100k and 200k) are professors in the business school (business, finance, econ, etc) and assorted departments based on the specialty of the school (e.g. chem engineering professors at GTech, robotics and computer visualization professors at MIT), though these usually have successful professional careers outside the university where they already make bank before becoming faculty

this obviously varies by school; for example, the University of Miami has an incredible medical program and various hospitals in Miami associated with the university, so they pay their Biology and BioChem professors 100k+ salaries

but as a general rule, being a professor employed by a business school offers the highest salary since business schools draw the most students and have the least operating costs, plus the fact that they like hiring faculty with good qualifications (and preferably professional experience and connections) so that their students know what the industry will be like, since that's where most of their students want to go anyways and business school majors are less about theory and more about practice and industry knowledge

>>9152249
>>9153256
good luck finding a position as an econ professor though without any industry clout
those positions aren't highly paid for nothing; a PhD is rarely enough unless you're a legitimate genius with a ground-breaking and influential dissertation

>>9153263
My plan is:

Undergrad > masters > PhD in Economics

If I have to do corporate work to git gud, how do I fit that in?

Summer placements?

Or would going a year in industry be enough if it is incorporated as part of my degree?

I just want to live a comfy professors life man

>>9151767
My PI (neuroscience) works 80h a week right now, but to be fair he's currently chair of the department so probably a solid 20h of that is department politics. He's also up for review this spring.

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>>9140122

>>9151767
lab sciences are hell
come smoke math with the cool kids, we get to chill out all day and write theorems for cash

>>9153303
internships during your phd, industry career after your phd
usually professors in business schools especially econ especially the highly sought-after professors become professors after working in industry for however long it takes them to become fucking rich and successful
the comfy professor life usually doesn't pay well. if you want money and comfy life then you're gonna have to either work your ass off until you get there or win the lottery

>>9153760
Sounds decent

What would you recommend to do during my undergrad to increase my chances of being successful in your layout?

And internships whilst doing a PhD? Isn't that suicide (unless you mean inter during summer break?)

Also. How much would the plan of being hired after undergrad and making a proposal to the employer to study Masters in Econ. work, this way its funded and I get a job, right? Or would going straight into MSc be better off (does the MSc Econ. course get updated alot?)

>>9153375
a description of phd studies in a nutshell

>>9148197
>4 Papers during doctoral studies
I can't tell if you're being serious or not when you're implying that's difficult...

I'm doing undergraduate research in hand based gesture tracking, my advisor is encouraging me to pursue a PhD, I think I'm going to do it only if I can find enough scholarships. I'll have results to publish come spring, any advice/tips?

>>9154349
A PhD always is funded, assuming full time. Go for it anon

>>9154373
Not always. It's not uncommon to be accepted into a phd program without funding, which is the uni's way to saying you're not good enough. Some people do take it though, although I wouldn't recommend this route.

>>9154754
yea id call that a major red flag

>>9154754
>a phd program
>without funding
where, at ITT Tech? or maybe DeVry? oh, i know, you mean the incredibly prestigious Phoenix University! they have university in the name so you know they're serious!