What if the Heimlich maneuver doesn't work? Could you theoretically

>>9139656
Is this bait?

>>9139660
LITERALLY not an argument.

>>9139662
kek I refuse to acknowledge the existence of people with such a level of mental retardation

>>9139667
t. Retard

>>9139656
This is one of the stupidest things I've seen posted on /sci/.

>>9139684
Funny how you don't have an argument either

>>9139684
>This is one of the stupidest things I've seen posted on /sci/.
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>>9139688
There's no point arguing with someone who doesn't understand why blowing something into your lungs is a fucking retarded idea.

>>9139702
It's a temporary problem you stupid motherfucker can't you read

>>9139704
Yeh, very temporary. Because you'll fucking die.

>>9139714
You'd die if you were left to choke too you mongoloid, its obvious you can't fucking read

I would imagine the solid mass irritating the lung(s) would send the person into a horrible coughing fit that would go on until:
1. It broke up and was ejected
2. They continue coughing all the way to surgery
3. Their lungs/airway are to irritated to breathe properly and they suffocate

Holding them upside down and shaking them would probably be a better idea.

>>9139730
Well I guess its better to let them die then trying to blow it down their throat after the Heimlich fails

any blockage to the throat causes swelling
pushing it into the soft and delicate lung tubes would completely fuck them up

>>9139746
So let them die instead right

>>9139739
No... I literally just proposed an alternative. One that I know has worked before.

>>9139758
>Holding them upside down and shaking them would probably be a better idea
You're serious?

>>9139656
When the Heimlich maneuver fails, the person typically passes out from lack of oxygen, which would prompt you to start CPR. When doing CPR on a person with a blocked airflow, you basically just blow air into their lungs and do chest compressions until it comes out.
t. certified in CPR

>>9139768
>blocked airflow, you basically just blow air into their lungs
But you just said blocked airflow

>>9139775
Sorry.
attempt* to blow air into their lungs.
Happy now?

>>9139778
So you fire the blockage into their lungs with your breath?

>>9139766
I just said it has worked before, vs your idea of blowing it down their throat, which would have obvious, and likely unanticipated, repercussions. So yes, I am serious.

>>9139784
Now lets say your idea doesn't work

>>9139782
No. Also, you're still compressing their ribs, which helps break apart the blockage and push it back up the asophagus. The breathing into them is just used for if you can get any air whatsoever into their lungs.

>>9139802
So if someone has a blockage you blow into their throat and it wont fly down into their lungs? So blowing into them is a viable strategy?

>>9139804
You're at a computer, so if you don't believe me just look up the procedure for CPR on a choking victim.

>>9139807
>You're at a computer
I'm at a phone

You're all brainlets. There's a little flap of tissue that opens and closes in your throat. Choking primarily occurs when an object becomes lodged such that the tissue can't open. Had to shoot a horse because of this.

Why the fuck does food and air go through the same hole?

>>9139843
So you think this flap is a perfect defense and no amount of pressure could force something through it?

checkmate, brainlet

>>9139656
HeimKEK btfo

In Australia we dont teach or use the Heimlich at all.
Apparently he was a bit of a scam artist who devised it mainly as a self promotion thing.
Problem with it is that it forces air out of the lungs precisely when they need as much as possible in there.
We lean the person forward and give a few solid thumps between the shoulder blades to dislodge the object.

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>>9139667
>>9139684
>>9139702

Newsflash, retards. Some people don't know everything about everything. And by "some people", I mean everyone. This is a science board, you fucking mongoloids. It exists so that people can ask questions and learn. If you can't assist others with their questions, then fuck off back to /b/

>>9139656
Just so you know, the tubes become smaller the further away you go from the trachea. So you might be just lodging the obstruction harder.

So, blowing air with the explicit purpose of alleviating the obstruction is a dumb idea, and blowing air into an asphyxiating person shouldn't be your first recourse.

Lungs are not hollow, they are more like a fractal made of pipes ramifying into smaller pipes.

>>9139987
This

>>9139656
Apart from the Aus poster above, it sounds like there's no-one in this thread with any First Aid training.

St. John's Ambulance First Aider here, the answer to OP's question is yes. If you can't get the blockage out and they lose consciousness, the most important thing is to get air in. In doing so you might force the obstruction into one of the bronchii. But you wouldn't try to force air into someone who was conscious.

>>9141095
Sorry and this anon is trained >>9139768.

Everyone should do some first aid training.