What is the prototypical "STEM" degree? One that encompasses

>>9129499
Quad degree in biochemistry, computer science, mechanical engineering, and pure math

>>9129499
actually some undergrad at my uni told me today she has an associate's degree in "general STEM"

>>9129499
I don't know, but I am trying to get a Ph.D. in human biology. Please give me the name of the girl so that I can begin researching for my thesis immediately.

>>9129499
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>>9129537
Amber Hayes

>>9129551
Dr. Amber Hayes? I see. I'll be checking her publications. Thank you, good man.

>>9129499
>science
>technology
>engineering
>math
>long ago these four majors dormed together in harmony
>but everything changed when the engineering student dropped out
>only the bell curve, master of all four GPAs could bring balance to the hall, but when the freshmen needed it most, it vanished

meme aside what the hell would "all four combined" even mean? where's the discerning line between these things besides having a nifty acronym?
the closest guess i got is go to grad school for materials science and work in semiconductor r&d?

>>9129499
I'm going to say CS with a specialization in simulation or signal processing, as both require a lot of physics, math, computer science, and software engineering knowledge

>>9129560
>science
>tech (it, computer/software engineering, comp sci, comp. info systems)
>engineering
>math

>>9129499
Probably some memey chemical engineering and compsci d major is your best bet with minors in Physics and Chem especially

unironically ME

Electrical engineering literally encompasses science, technology, engineering, and math. Tech and engineering parts are self explanatory. Science is from the physics behind electrical engineering, many of my professors were actually physicists by degree but more EE in research (optics, electromagnetics, materials) and the underlying physics of electrical circuits, waves, optics, lasers, etc is all taught thoroughly (depends on uni and specialization too). Not as much math as physics or math majors, but probably more math than any majors outside those (maybe lower than 1-3 others depending on specializations).

probably ee or me TBh TbH

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>>9129608

The lack of math for science majors astounded me when I got into uni. All the math requirements for engineers were stuff that should've been done in high school (single/multivariate calculus, differential equations, and linear algebra).

It shocks me that not even a course in PDEs or basic analysis is required.

>>9129702
>differential equations in high school


t. someone whose highest math couse before college was Trig

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>>9129727

In my experience all lower division math was available to high school students, and I'm in bean central low income southern California.

>>9129743
yeah, no it wasn't. AP Calc BC was the highest offered in your high school

>>9129499
Natural sciences

>>9129823

Calc 3 and DE were available in high school, linear and discrete math if you cared to take a summer course at a community college

>>9129831
Nobody takes Calc their freshman year. Nobody starts pre-algebra in 3rd or 4th grade

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The first STEM degree arose during the high middle ages. First degree was just a bachelor of arts degree, which encompassed grammar, rhetoric, logic, mathematics, astronomy, and music. After that, they could go for a masters to learn about medicine, law, or theology.

>>9129519
Pretty much would encompass all 4 fields. Biochemistry dabbles into a little bit of everything, biology, chemistry, physics, and maths, it's a great foundation degree because it allows you to go into several different fields when you specialize. Better than being pigeonholed into a pure biology and pure chemistry degree.

If you double major Computer Science and Biochemistry, then go onto grad school, you would easily be able to make $150k+ a year.

If you can do computer science and biochemistry combined, you could easily do a Mech. E degree as well, then a pure math degree.

Good luck doing all that in your short life time.

>>9129909
Never heard of Biochem doing any physics - at most (at least in the UK) it touches on physical chem. I guess it could in some place also use stat phys?

Nuclear engineering

Electrical Engineering

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>>9129976

I'm in the US, so we have to take a lot of general education classes the first two years.

This is what the first two years look like:
>Gen Bio I & II (1st Year)
>Gen Chem I & II (1st Year)
>Calculus I & II (1st (Year)
>Organic Chem I & II (2nd Year)
>Gen Physics I & II (2nd Year)

We also have to take bull shit time-waster classes on top of that. Humanities, English, cultural diversity, and psychology classes).

Additionally, in the 2nd year we have to take one Computer/Statistics/Quantitative Applications course. Just by reading the course description, the statistics class is an absolute waste of time, so I'm going to take a computer science class to fill that requirement. I'll probably take it over the summer.

I can't really comment on upper division stuff yet, because I'm only in my 2nd year.

(3rd Year)
General Biochemistry I & II
Physical Chemistry I & II
+++Choice of various upper division Biochem courses+++

(4th Year)
+++More upper division courses+++

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>>9129979

>>9129554
Did you read her publication on Differential Geometry of Smooth curves?

It has to be engineering, most likely ME. They require you take every damn STEM class possible from chemistry, math, physics, engineering classes, computer science classes, and even economics and management classes. There is a reason why engineering students suffer like crazy in college with the most studying and load work. Thus why the dropout rate for engineering is the highest of all majors.

>>9130093
I would add it's the only major I would suggest not having a job with (unless it's an internship or related to engineering). There is just way too much fucking work to do to do a job plus school. Any of you guys here who think they can do vidya and anime with engineering will get hit by a brick wall also. You are gonna suffer for 4 years.

>>9130097
Just because you're a brainlet who needs to study excessively to pass classes doesn't mean everyone needs to. It is perfectly possible to get an engineering major while having time consuming hobbies.

>>9130059
>cultural diversity
I always wondered why /pol/ complains about "indoctrination" at university, since in Europe you don't really have electives like this forced upon you. Seems like it works a bit different over at your place.

>>9130101
It's not me dip, they did a study asking students their majors and how much time they had to study and engineering majors always were top of the list because they had to cram in so many STEM classes. Stop being a douchebag m8.
http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2011/11/what_college_major_requires_th.html

>>9130112
Compared to other majors yes, engineering/STEM majors are difficult. Other majors are complete brainlet-tier though so it doesn't mean much.

>>9130102

Basically, all the liberal arts classes are indoctrination classes, mainly because they're catered to brainlets and brainlet professors. My English 102 (2nd Term English) last year made us do research papers on shit like why eating meat is bad for us. We COULD argue that it was beneficial. However, I'm not a brainlet, so I just wrote a paper pandering to the professor's perspective. Growing up, they always taught us to know the audience we're writing for, finally came in handy. Anyone who argued for being carnivorous got docked points. They started enforcing an attendance policy too. My first semester I didn't even attend classes other than the important ones. (Got all A's in the ones I never attended, nor did I even buy or read the book)

Biology classes are red-pilled as fuck, balls to the wall "People are not created equal and god doesn't exist". Chemistry is absolutely neutral and focused on chemistry.

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I've finished first year biochemistry and these were my first year modules. Physical chemistry is almost all mathematics, quantitative skills is all statistics. So there's a decent amount of maths (for a bio degree, at least).

There's essentially no physics involved, the closest you get is physical chemistry.

>>9130133
Fuck off biochem. You havent't even done a Fourier transform or dissection.
Pipet mastering degree

>>9130135
I'm not claiming to be a maths genius. You do know the point of this thread, right? Don't be an autist.

>>9130135
>what are your skills
>hurr durr I'm a transformer
>goodbye
Good luck getting a job.

>>9130133

What country are you from? I'm >>9130059 and we have to take physics. I'm a bit jealous how you guys get straight to the meat of your program. I think it's bull shit that the first half of chemistry in the 1st year, we have to go over high school shit like significant figures, unit conversions, and other bull shit like that.

How useful/important is the stuff you learn in your stats for bio class? Stats seems pretty straight forward tbqh.

This is the course description for our biostats class. Concepts and methods of statistics; display and summary of data, interval estimation, hypothesis testing, correlation, regression.

>>9130162
UK, here we don't have any electives and we don't "take classes" to gain credits for a certain "major" or whatever. Our courses are fairly rigid and straightforward.

>How useful/important is the stuff you learn in your stats for bio class?
You don't need statistics for the other modules, but it is useful, in general, to have a grounding in statistics if you want to be a biologist.

>>9130128
Bet you could have gotten extra credit if you wrote some shit about slaughtering of animals is similar to slavery or something. Most of these professors in Liberal Arts are so far up their ass they can't tell if a student is bullshitting on a paper in regard to actually believing what they write. In honesty, liberal arts classes prepare you how to lie effectively.

>>9130189
I'm not him but I took sociology GCSE and wrote absolute bullshit in the exams. Came out with an A and even won a shitty award for "most effort" in class.

>>9130195
I bet at your acceptance you had a blank stare thinking "how gullible are these people?".

>>9130203
I was just embarrassed to receive it, I wish I never took that garbage subject. I just walked up, said thanks, sat back down and waited off the embarrassment.

>>9130206

Is it the same feeling I feel when I enter the liberal arts lecture building? The feeling of absolutely shame that you don't want to be associated with these people?

>>9130216
You know you are close to a Liberal Arts class when you start seeing people with unnatural hair colors and blacks.

>>9130216
I felt that when I was walking around my uni's psychology building just out of curiosity. Dyed hair and piercings everywhere.

>>9130224
The sad thing is that Liberal Arts students think they are our equals (STEM students). Only if they knew how much we look down at them.

>>9130221
>>9130224
>>9130227

Lol, glad I'm not alone here. Is there a better word for this feeling? We should ask some liberal arts students to give us a better word to describe our sentiment about them.

>>9130231
Their degrees are one of the main reasons why tutition is so high because kids borrow government loans to pay for these fairly easy classes that have zero market value. WIth guaranteed money the school will jack up the tuition more and more. So it effects our wallets too. Add on top that we are forced to take their shitty classes to get our degrees which adds more frustration because some of these Professors require you read long as fuck boring books that cut into time for our other MORE IMPORTANT subjects.

petroleum engineering (exploration focus)

gotta understand geoscience to know what processes produce oil and gas
gotta understand the tech used to acquire data (e.g. seismic)
gotta understand engineering related to drilling and extraction
gotta understand math and stats to know how to interpolate between sparse data points to characterize your reservoirs and fields

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>>9129499
Biomedical engineering. Just look at what courses they take, it's bio/chem, CS, electrical, mechanical, and calc I-III. But for that reason it's a meme degree for undergraduates.

>>9129727
>differential equations in high school
That's standard in the UK

Forestry with a focus in Hydrology

>science
Forestry is a science
>technology
GIS mapping is a technological field
>engineering
One engineers in hydrology
>math
One also uses quite a bit of math in hydrology

>>9130358

Dunno about that, Foresters mainly just calculate the value of lumber/land.

>>9129608
EECS specialized in Controls/Automation/Robotics use a lot of Math
> Stochastics/Markov chains, Complex Analysis, Fourier Analysis, Differential Equations, Linear Algebra, Numerical Analysis, Discrete Math.
EECS specialized in Power could also tackle a bit of MechE
>Thermal, Hydraulic & Nuclear Power Engines & Machinery.
Advanced PhD level EECS can use Advanced Math for Quantum Electrodynamics:
>Functional Analysis, Differential Geometry, Tensor Analysis on Manifolds, Group Theory.
Many EECS graduates go to Finance
>Financial Math.
EECS concentrated in Controls/Automation/Robotics & trained in Partial Differential Equations could tackle even MechE topics
>as Fluid Mechanics, Aerodynamics, Structures & Manufacture Processes.

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>>9130442
I'm a controls technician at a Controls/automation/robotics contractor. I only finished a 2 year trade college. Going back to school to complete a bachelor's in CmpE at a top 15 school in the US. Would I have no issue re-entering the field with that degree? Also can CmpE be good for applying to PhD programs in EE or biology/biotech if I choose to stay in academia? Thanks Anon

>>9130195
I don't know how electives work, but couldn't you have picked something that you were interested in?
I am euro, and I think think it's a good idea to make people study something outside of their field, so I am always confused when people moan so much. Just take the chance to study something you care about outside the stem zone.

>>9129727
differential equations in high school is required for all civil engineering programs in my cunt
not multivariate calc tho

>>9130315
>it's a meme degree for undergraduates

Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

>>9130612
It's a bad thing. Dont bother getting a non lab monkey job after only an undergraduate. Lots of females take it before applying to med school. Really only a transitional degree you take before doing a professional or graduate degree. There is incredible growth in the field but it's still in its infancy and requires you to have a masters minimum.

>>9130612
How could you possibly interpret "meme degree" as a good thing?

Most people on /sci/ hold (correctly imo) the view that it's better to get an ME or EE undergrad first and then specialise to biomedical rather than narrow their choices from the get-go.

I'm speaking from my experience talking with engineering students, I'm a biologist myself, there's no market for undergrad BMEs right now... and the minimal bio knowledge won't be enough for the lab monkey jobs that life science undergrads will hit. You basically HAVE to go to graduate school for a chance at a relevant job or go work in something not related to STEM.

>>9130628
this. do Electrical/Computer since it will teach you programming as well as allow you to fill in your electives with bio and mechanical courses. Then specialize in biomedical for a Master's

>>9130628
biochem PhD here, this is pretty true. BME is a good specialization to go into for graduate school, like a specific BME lab, but as an undergrad degree it's too all over the place

>>9130920
As a biochem PhD do you think it's feasible to genetically modify Archaea to produce methane from CO2? They already produce methane from dead plant matter.

>>9130928
>methane from dead plant matter
that's breakdown
>methane from CO2
that's synthesis, it would require totally different pathways, essentially photosynthesis or something equivalent.

>>9129530

Yes. Community colleges do this for transferring. You can get a general sciences degree that would allow you to transfer to most common science programs. ie you take 1st year chem/phys/bio/calculus. They often have a similar thing for transferring into arts or humanities. It's not meant as a terminal degree.

>>9130468
As a computer engineer you learn almost everything an electrical engineer learns except instead of doing semiconductor shit you'll be taking courses on operating systems, more and more low level assembly language and computer architecture as well as a few more CS specific courses. It's a big mix of hardware and software mostly programming sometimes designing logic and datapaths or signal processing. It really depends on where you work. Some places you'll pretty much just be a software engineer except working with low level hardware languages.

Geology is interdisciplinary as fuck.
>3 semesters calculus
>1 semester probability and statistics
>2 semesters physics
>2 semesters chemistry
>1 semester biology in form of paleontology
>bunch of semesters about rocks, dirt, and history.
>Electives can easily be dumped into more math, chemistry, physics, or comp sci.
Geology is best.

What does it even matter? If you're not getting a master's or PhD whatever job you get after a 4 year degree is literally going to be something that a highschooler could learn in a few weeks because they'll teach you everything you need to know since you most likely didn't learn any of it in school.

>>9129560
Faggot.

>>9129831
So why didn't you take them

>>9129702
>no PDEs
I call bullshit
They're used everywhere in physics, and even chemistry can use PDEs in thermodynamics and reaction rate analysis.

>>9129976
>I guess it could in some place also use stat phys?
Yeah, pretty much. An undergraduate degree in biochemistry will have a course sequence in physical chemistry -- typically "biophysical" chemistry -- that provides a base in stat mech and thermo, and may touch on some quantum (albeit, this would be minimal). The stat mech is not as much developed, as it is introduced and extended to thermodynamics within the context of biological systems -- protein folding, protein-ligand complex formation, etc.

>>9130059
Agreed completely. The gen eds in the U.S., especially at liberal arts schools, really eat up most of the first two years. IMO, you're doing the best you can do: knock out the bullshit humanities requirements, and the bio/chem/physics 101 classes. Third- and fourth-years are much better: you could be working in a lab, learning the basics of research, and taking upper-division classes that more closely align with your personal interests and/or career goals. For example, two of my more notable electives were medicinal chemistry (more on drug design/discovery class than on synthetic chemistry), and cancer biology. Some years later I ended up working on a PhD in a drug discovery lab, so I still remember those classes eight or nine years on.

>>9129560
>Blaming engineering for the fall of STEM
It's not Engineering getting flooded with sjw's and feminists mate. That is all Tech's problem.

>>9129499
chemistry is sometimes considered "the central science".

a biological chemist or biochemist will be basically a molecular biologist.
A physical or theoretcal chemist will basically be a physicist whose job is to look at the boring parts of physics.

>>9129499

EE

>>9129499
I'd say materials science or environmental engineering; they're both pretty broad fields.

>>9131197
I was considering going for geology; my school also offers geophysics and geological engineering. How do you like it?

>>9129499
Anything that's applied, so any engineering would apply. Except anything software related, that's more akin to a craft.

bio: doctor & vet
physic: physics, chemistry, geology, astro
build: civil/structural/architectural + trades

>>9134633
oh and botanist + micro

>>9130920
>>9131842 >>9134633
Biophysics = Biochemistry + Physics.

>>9130920 >>9131842 >>9134633
In my University there is a major called Biochemical Engineering
It combines Chem E + Biochemistry.

>>9129499
Chemical Engineering requires alot of all 4.

>>9129499
Biochemistry
Radiophysics
Astrophysics
Algorithm theory
Analytical chemistry
Algebra
Plasma physics

>>9134758
This. It allows ChE's to have a very broad range of options along with being in the higher end of the engineering pay scale with only a bachelor's degree.

>>9129499
Psychology requires three of those as long as you don't buy into meme tiered psychology.

>>9129499
wow! look at that phenotype

>>9129702
>>9131564

https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/electrical-engineering-and-computer-science/6-002-circuits-and-electronics-spring-2007/video-lectures/lecture-1/

Literally the first lecture of the first course of EE at MIT, watch the whole thing

>>9131193
At my school its the exact opposite

I'm EE and we have entire classes for cpu architecture and machine language programming that ECE students don't take

>>9134840
>>9134758
Would it be possible or worth it to get an undergrad in Chemical Engineering and then specialize to something like materials science or petroleum engineering? I feel like ChE is too broad of a major to go all the way to a masters or phd with.

>>9129499
she looks like she's probably someone who spends a lot of time hanging out with niggers. that being said she's got a large bottom and i wouldn't mind sniffing her anus at the end of a long hard day of riding bbc.

Op did you just steal this image from reddit?

>>9130468
>>9131193
This is how it works at my school (and I think in most places), there is some overlap with CE and CS classes (basic computer arch, operating systems, network programming) but CEs cover basically anything related to computers (duh) like VLSI, processor design etc without diving too deep into electrophysics. EE has classes on analog & digital electronics but nothing about computers specifically. I think it's really strange for a school to have EEs take (one, let alone multiple) computer arch classes that CEs don't. EE is a wide field - you've got electrophysics/devices, power, controls, DSP, telecomm....makes no sense for them to all take computer architecture.

>>9135053
Psychology is barely a science. It don't replicate. It's a Pseudoscience.
It don't use neither engineering nor technology.

>>9136615
go read an intro to psych book

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>>9135441
I can almost see you clinging to the bottom of a barrel manifesting the grime that lies within

>>9132877
Not him, but i just transfeered as a junior into geophysics at my university, so far i like it, historical geology is pretty cool and rocks & minerals (petrograpghy and minerology put into 1 course) is pretty fun ( all it is is memorizing).

Geophysics course itself is pretty interesting, surprised there isn't as much math involved in it though, reason being because our geo professors and industry partners figured out the reason why shitloads of geophysicists were laid off. reason being geophysiscist didn't know much of their geology compared to the physics, where knowing the actually geology was much more important concerning oil (anyone can learn how to read and fit a model which ironically enough was a majority part of the job for the geophysicists), which was one of the reasons why less geologist were laid off as opposed to their geophysisicst counterparts.

This all leads up to the reason why learning the geology is more important than the geophysics when it comes to oil, and why my geophysics course uses the textbook Looking Into The Earth.

Engineering math (ODE's and Linear Algebra) seems to be pretty simple, all cal 1 and cal 2 stuff, professor wasn't lieing when he said you can take this course right after taking cal 2, pde's is when you need to have taken cal 3 beforehand.

I've only gone to school for a week though, as you can imagine Harvey shut it down and i doubt ill be going back by next week.

>>9130498
But it's always tainted by postmodernist bullshit desu. Finding non-STEM classes that aren't tainted by ideological drivel is like playing minesweeper and I'm really bad at minesweeper.

>>9134685
Sounds like you'd be making bacteria produce ethanol or something in that vein. Could be cool.

>>9137351
I don't see any problem with his statement tbqh