Why is it so difficult to find studies conducted on IQ differences

>>9128605
because IQ in not real you retarded nigger

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why didn't they go for the obvious joke

>>9128614
Because it's edgier nowadays to hate based on sexuality.

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>>9128605
Because it's a hard concept for most people to grasp that even though defferent groups of people have different abilities regarding intelligence, physical characteristics etc, it doesn't mean they shouldn't have equal rights.
Because humans are beings of extremism and you either have extreme racism or extreme egalitarianism, because extremes are easier to conceptualize for the average mind that needs simple explanations. Especially since the populism of the current zeitgeist flattens everything to the lowest common denominator.

There are differences between the classical black, white, latino, whatever categories. There also differences between the thousands of subcategories.. Even Northern vs Southern Italian for example. That's just how nature works. The problem comes when people fear what is the next step after accepting this information. Also if you just go with the current populist movement you are applauded and get to feel socially accepted which self-perpetuates the movement until its inevitable collapse. Nothing lasts after all in this universe of change.

>We are organisms that have evolved to be efficient survivors and procreators, not efficient truth-seekers. If a gene or meme affects the former positively, but the latter negatively it will be selected for. Any progress to the latter will be mostly a side-product.

>>9128620
I don't think trans is a sexuality

>>9128623
I use the term sexuality to cover gender and orientation.

>>9128622
Give me evidence

>>9128625
For which part exactly?

>>9128624
why

>>9128628
Iq differences in race

>>9128629
Because I think gender identity is an expression of your sexuality.

>>9128639
how

>>9128642
Cuz ur gay

>>9128639
Gender is a spook

>>9128645
no

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>>9128637
I think IQ is too formal and too narrow of a concept to reflect reality, so let's use the more vague term intelligence and measure it as general accomplishments.
I'm not going to google the links for you, but I will tell you what to google yourself.
The representation of Ashkenazi jews as nobel prize winners and their percentage of the population.
The race of the majority of influencial inventors, philosophers, scientists that have made an impact.. Aka jews, arabs, germans, greeks, italians etc...
The overall historical self-perpetuating, self-reinforcing cycle of achievement, education and a better civilization. Which civilization have had a higher standard of living compared to others?
The number of african short-distance sprinters and non-african marathon runners... (Yeah this is physical prowess, rather than intelligence, but relevant to differentiation nonetheless)

You might say this doesn't constitute proof, since it is not a formal experiment done in a lab, where they use people the same way they use lab rats, which is what would be needed to get rigid results. You can tell why this doesn't happen. All I'm saying is the information points to statistical differences between groups of people (Not the very borad races mind you) and is compatible with our evolutionary theories, therefore it's safe to assume that it being the truth is more likely than the contrary...

>>9128659
How does it point tp a statistical difference if youre not using statistics. Is measuring the number of nobel proze winners the same as measuring intelligence?

>>9128605
Because its a really difficult study to do right, and what it will teach us is pointless.

So lets say we find there is some difference, how does that influence us? What will we do different after? Treat the dumber race as lesser, just generically based on their race? Even though individually there is no way we can just use the statistics and say, he is black so he must be dumb. It clearly doesn't follow.

>>9128659
And which evolutionary theories?

>>9128663
Sure. What's the point of intelligence if it's not producing results?

>>9128672
So nobel prizes is how you would measure anyones intelligence?

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>>9128663
No it's not the same, it just points towards that direction with a higher likelihood of it being true than the contrary, which is why I used the term statistical loosely.. To refer to general predisposition and to avoid being accused of absolutism as is often the case with such debates...

>>9128668
The most basic fact: That geographical seperation induces differentiation within even a few generations amongst biological organisms and that humans are not an exception to that rule..
That natural selection doesn't consider one species of ape as special and that the same rules that apply to the rest of the system apply to them.. That those differences are not restricted to the narrow domain of the readily observable, but every aspect of the organism. That different environments call for different skillsets which are selected for out of the spectrum of the possibilities out of the history of random mutations, rather than the idealised best theoretically possible ones. And lastly that even those citing nurture or societal factors as an alternative to nature, do not see that those societal and cultural factors are in themselves an environment that poses its own parameters for natural selection threfore affecting nature.

>>9128664
Execpt we can say that, as a negroid, he likely is dumb and if he isnt, his kids will be as they regress to the mean

>>9128688
But youre being post hoc. Just making assumptions. You dont even know why some humans might need to be more intelligent than others. You can speculate but you have no evidence.

It points in one direction at face value but there are so many confounds.

Do you think your evidence for race iq differences is good or strong?

Have you got any evidence of biological differences at all.

Yes we can say its plausible there are biological differences but show me..

>>9128711
He is more likely to have lower IQ then, but he might have higher IQ than you, and all his children might too.

And even if we do find it to be true, we already know there are lot of more factors than your race to intelligence, like education and socioeconomic status. This is also why it is so hard to do a proper study on it. You would have to control for basically everything in their lives to be able to show some kind of lose causation between the two. And all that for what? You want to start a eugenics program?

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>>9128712
>Just making assumptions.
Yes I repeatedly clarified that, which is why I carefully chose my words: probably, points to, seems to etc
Considering the general aversion towards this subject and actual scientific formal experiments, assumptions from other sources of evidence is the best info we can get at this point

>You dont even know why some humans might need to be more intelligent than others
I can speculate reasons, but again I can have no rigid human experiments. But considering the vast spread of our species, even if I don't know the exact reason why a certain characteristic would be selected for in a particular area, I can be quite confident that given the vastly large sample size of humanis living in almost all the different, diverse environments spanning across almost all the possibilities this planet has to offer, would inevitably lead to differentiation and selection between a myriad of diverse characteristics including this elusive intelligence..
Groups of the same organism seperating at scales magnitutes less diverse than humanity can show extreme differentiation in a short time. Multply the terms and you can see how it fits.

>Do you think your evidence for race iq differences is good or strong?
No. I don't think it's strong. I work with what I have. It's using logic and the available data. What would constitute acceptable evidence in your part? And would such evidence be available by ethical means or ones that do not go against the current zeitgeist?

>>9128764
But im saying know whe ur evidence is evidence and what ts evidence for

>>9128782
Could you rephrase that?

>>9128764
Its very plausible that there are provs differences but thats different from using that plausibility to ascert jews are smarter than whites. There are lots of forms pf evidence that dont need a lab. Its just not very common

>>9128783
Nevermind. I think you meant I should know when something should be considered as evidence and understand what it would support.
I've explained this numerous times and I've been very careful choosing the words in my posts to avoid ambiguity as much as possible.
Also you seem to go past the nuances I've been trying to clarify.
I'm going to go take a shit now. If you want this discussion to continue after I come back, please try and understand what I'm actually saying here. I'm not disagreeing, but I'm not agreeing either. Thank you.

>>9128764
>No. I don't think it's strong. I work with what I have. It's using logic and the available data. What would constitute acceptable evidence in your part?

You do realize that simply looking at statistical correlation and drawing conclusions from that is the most rookie mistake for a researcher right?

You need to show that you have properly controlled for all other factors before you start making assumptions.

Its seems like you would be very aware of this, yet somehow you do make conclusions based on terrible "research" on your part.

An obvious problem with your conclusion is that all the races you site have also been living in the same society's. And I think you would agree that you need to be living under certain conditions with certain values and opportunity if you are going to make large scientific progress.

>>9128810
>site

Dropped

>>9128816
Yea dismiss everything because of a typo. You are fucking brilliant.

>>9128820
Clearly you are driven by emotion which means you are not capable of rational
Thought therefore not worth arguing with.

>>9128823
Why dont you worry about the arguments I made instead of making assumptions about my mental condition?

Seems to me like you are struggling a bit here.

>>9128711
>his kids will be as they regress to the mean
no
you dont understand regression to the mean

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>>9128810
>You need to show that you have properly controlled for all other factors before you start making assumptions.
But when I can't do that, because of the factors I mentioned, I work with what I have, which admitedlly ain't much!

>yet somehow you do make conclusions based on terrible "research" on your part
Not research. Rationally processing the information I have at this point, recognizing my margin for error.

>An obvious problem with your conclusion is that all the races you site have also been living in the same society's. And I think you would agree that you need to be living under certain conditions with certain values and opportunity if you are going to make large scientific progress.
I've adressed this in one of my previous posts.
Society and culture are also an environment within which certain characteristics provide positive or negative survival value. If you are to say that it's seperate than natural selection because it's cultural you fail to see that culture also imposes pressures for natural selection and thus affecting biological characteristics. You don't need to be in a jjungle for natural selection to work. Our societies and cultures are our jungles. I will admit that nature and nurture work in very complicated feedback loops. Too complicated for my feeble primate mind. But the rules that apply to other systems (environments) seem to apply to them as well.

One more thing. I'm not arguing from a point of superiority here. If anything I should tell you where I'm coming from. I'm a nihilistic anti-natalist that thinks there is no value to these things. I'm simply arguing on their efficiency restricted by the parameters of the supposed value of intelligence and such, without actually caring about them. Take of that what you will.

>>9128832
Ok..

These two:
>>9128816
>>9128823
were not me, the person you were arguing with..

These were me:
>>9128764
>>9128792
>>9128842
and the ones along the path of replies before that....

>>9128605
there are no significant iq differences between sexes

gays have an average iq of 115

as for race, we can't have a real discussion about that due to tumblr shutting it down and /pol/fags being too stupid to understand regression to the mean and heritability
>>9128711
kids regress to the mean of their parents
take a group of blacks with an iq of 100, it will be 100 the next generation, provided iq is genetic

parents with an iq of 85 regardless of race will have kids with an iq of 85

as for race, feel free to google

>>9128810
>all the races you site have also been living in the same society's
he said "jews, arabs, germans, greeks, italians etc...", ummm okay?

>>9128605
>It's hard nowadays to find studies linking IQ & race
But there are plenty of studies linking STEM careers with Autism.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/budding-scientist/students-with-autism-gravitate-toward-stem-majors/

>ctrl+f: racist
>not found
Step it up /sci/

>>9128842
I dont think you can make any conclusions on those statistics whit out them simply being your own personal beliefs. There is too many factors, and a 100 ways you could intetprate it. Some of them will seem more logical/rational than others, but that is only because of the logical connections you are making on your own. Which are only susceptible to your own biases, no actual reality. This is why it is so important to be careful when drawing causal links.

>Society and culture are also an environment within which certain characteristics provide positive or negative survival value ...
You pretty much say it yourself, society's are far to complex and diverse to try and link the success or emergence of certain traits/values to something as poorly understood as genetics. I can't see why you hold on to this belief. Yea, you say its weak, and not proven in any way, but why are you then saying it at all?

To me this just boils down to your own personal interpretation of an incredibly hard to prove statement. I don't see any value in it to be honest.

because 99% of the time IQ is only used by regfular joes to put other people down or to rationalize some the racism of some fool who read or heard about The Bell Curve. Psychologists today recognize that intelligence has more than 1 dimension if we're going to begin measuring it at all, and we don't know enough about the human brain to try in any meaningful capacity.
If we psychologists do ever begin to look into something like IQ again in a serious way, they won't call it IQ because of political reasons. They'll call it something else, and they'll be very coy about acknowledging any semblance it might have to IQ.

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>>9128605

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>>9128901
>Psychologists today recognize that intelligence has more than 1 dimension
you dont need to be a psychologist to know that iq must be bs
blacks have an iq of 85, reportedly higher than indians, arabs, persians
lmao
obviously there's more to it

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>>9128889
>but that is only because of the logical connections you are making on your own. Which are only susceptible to your own biases, no actual reality.
If I was aware of my own biases I would control for them. Note that this might work both ways.. You don't think you have biases as well?

>This is why it is so important to be careful when drawing causal links.
Alright. Suppose I'm wrong. Can you point to my biases and perhaps recommend ways so that I could avoid this and be more rational in the future?
I'm not being sarcastic here. I'd love to be proven wrong so I can improve!

>Yea, you say its weak, and not proven in any way, but why are you then saying it at all?
I've stated numerous times, that I think it's the most likely interpretation out of the information presently available to me, recognizing the margin of error due to complexity, political factors and so on, and so on [sniff].

>To me this just boils down to your own personal interpretation of an incredibly hard to prove statement
And I think that this boils down to what you personally perceive as proof. A description? A formal representation in a symbolic system such as math? Classification? Modeling? Labeling? What kind of understanding do you seek? What would satisfy you?

>>9128917
Why dont you link the video instead? I found seemingly the same video on Youtube, but no such message. Maybe Youtube became racist again?

And its really funny all the crying over shit like this. YouTube is based on ad-revenue. If Youtube could have porn and gore and whatever on their site without it affecting what kind of advertisers and viewers it would get, they would be all for that too. But the market just doesn't work that way.

When advertisers react, Youtube will definitely take it seriously.

>>9128917
>le im white nationalist, everybody should have their own racial country man
but not australia, lmao

i wonder when exactly jared starts the clock as to what belongs to who

>>9128917
muh freeze peach

>>9128939
Addendum.
I read your post again and this sentence struck me:
>society's are far to complex and diverse to try and link the success or emergence of certain traits/values to something as poorly understood as genetics
I'm saying there is a correlation, not a direct causation, but yes, even having the best genetics would go wasted in an environemtn not inducive of intellectual echievement.
Over time though that society would be engaged in feedback loops affecting/affected by opportunity/genetics/randomness/natural selection and such. Genetics being a part of it would play a role in the predisposition affecting and being affected by the other factors. Compared to those genetics of other groups with different factors, there must be a difference. Everything being symmetrically the same seems more absurd than differentiation in my eyes.
Anyway.. I'm getting too drunk for this.. Even though we disagree I actually liked this discussion. I would appreciate your answer and I guess I'll read it tommorow.

>>9128939
Everyone(including me) has biases, and we are not good at being aware of them.
Getting 100% proof when it comes to social research doesn't really happen no. But there is a large difference between getting some statistics and start making conclusions and doing a proper study where you are trying as best you can to control for all the variables you can. The former i would have 0 confidence in, and the other gets a bit more believable.

I have no ways improve on how you handle your own biases, but what can be easily improved is how you look at statistics. Statistics alone can only show correlation, and further research and experimentation will help you narrow it down somewhat. But there are probably countless examples where even in lab conditions that researchers have been too quick to draw conclusions and made false connections. Our genome and society are incredibly complex, so i would take with a grain of salt any research that makes big claims about this.

So what should you belive in? Well at least don't fall in the trap of thinking that no-opinion on it is the same as arbitrarily picking one. And go with the scientific consensus, remember they are working on it professionally everyday and have a ton of knowlage between them. Some can be stupid and bad at their job, but the consensus wont reflect that.

>>9128967
Yea, its been fun discussing with you. Usually you only get a bunch of shit posting.

Ill be checking the thread tomorrow.

>>9128659
>I think IQ is too formal and too narrow of a concept to reflect reality, so let's use the more vague term intelligence and measure it as general accomplishments.
No. That is not completely unscientific.

>>9128664
>So lets say we find there is some difference, how does that influence us? What will we do different after?
End affirmative action.

>>9128624
retard alert

>>9128605
Why are lesbian and woman different?

>>9129035
After you prove there is a difference, you still have the fact that blacks of equal IQ face diminished opportunities compared to whites, for many reasons.

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>>9129086

Genetic differences extend far beyond IQ, you know. Like aggression/violence

>>9129093
Blacks of equal aggression face diminished opportunities compared to whites. Look it up. Whites with a violent criminal past got hired at like 10x the rates of a black with an equal criminal past.

>>9128605
Because there's no money in conducting those studies? Who would pay for that? You would need a huge poll sample and lots of personel/time. Also would need to check same persons young/vs grown up.

>>9129238
> Whites write a test.
> Rich white kids receive advance copies of test
> Take test 4 or 5 times
> Keeps only high score
Vs.
> Poor black kid given same test
> No advance training
> No reason why he should even try
> Has lower score
Golly gee. Dem negroes be dum. Deyer steelin oer jewbs!

This is how the /pol/turd thinks. And then he wonders why science doesn't spoon feed him evidence?

>>9129101
I wasn't disagreeing with you. Just pointing out a caveat. Anyways, the whole argument is stupid. Black people just need to wear glasses and they would be more likely to get hired

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>>9129277
>Whites write a test
>muh standardized tests are racist m'kay
>somehow asians get the highest scores
Never has been and never will be an argument.

>>9129380
Go to bed, Stephan.

>>9128622
>Because it's a hard concept for most people to grasp that even though defferent groups of people have different abilities regarding intelligence, physical characteristics etc, it doesn't mean they shouldn't have equal rights.
pretty much this

>>9128642
Because both sex and gender expression (and all mental illness offshoots of the latter) evolved due to the same evolutionary pressure, the one thay diverts limited resources into binary speciation. This is why sex and gender expression are highly correlated.
Can I ask, you're not from this board are you?

because you're looking at resources for normies and not the folks in the know. All the data is there for and by psychometricians, it's only a third rail to be public about it.

>>9129482
Got any evidence for this? Or is it just your guess?

You don't have to answer, I already know the answer.

>>9128605
Because who would benefit from such studies? Who would want to fund this research?

>>9128605
idk maybe that because so far we can't 100% measure intelligence?

>>9129791
Get behind a paywall and check the actual technical journals.

>>9130359
I just did, didn't find anything.

Fuck off.

>>9128605
It's not. Research has been going on in human genetics, the genetics of IQ, and human genetic variation for decades.

The problem is the data doesn't support your science denial. The only fallback you idiots have is "science is a liberal/Jewish conspiracy! Only I know the truth!"

>>9130359
>technical journals
Why does /pol/ try so hard to pretend to be smart? It's so sad. The worst ones are "I'm liberal/black and I believe in racism!"

>>9130374
not as pathetic as believing in evolution ie disparity and equality, an argument FOR creationism, at the same time.

>>9130428
The problem here is that you do not understand evolution, and you make unscientific claims about how it occurs.

>>9129791
Geneticists
Checkmate Lefties

>>9128639
No, it is not.
It is a mental disorder.
Sexual expressions are what people typically would call a Sado Maso, or someone who likes other practices. Sado Masochists tend to like to be or to dominate via sexual actions they take. So these people express their feelings through practising this kind of sexual doings.

Sexual identity is what you physically are.
There are two type of sexes: Male and Female. (that i even have to explain this nowadays ...)
Anyone not accepting his own physical sex has clearly a mental disorder and should get psychological treatment. So why should i surgically change my sex when the brain is damaged? Does not make ANY sense.
I can agree on these people mostly feel good despite being psychological disordered and ill, but that doesn't mean they are mentally healthy and that their sexual preferences aren't abnormal or not an evidence of their illness itself.

Homosexuals are mentally disordered and ill as well as the rest of all these LGBT folks.
You can clearly see a connection between mental illness and suicide rates among mentally ill diagnosed people where their mental disorder doesn't express via sexuality related stuff but anxiety or phobias. Their suicide rate is much higher than that of people not suffering any mental disorders and illnesses.

LGBT folks do also suffer the same high suicide rate as mental ill and disordered people with other than sexual related/connected psychological disorders.

Basically LGBT is all all about identity crisis.
Being a Sado Masochist for example isn't either a gender thing it's all about preferences of treatment.
In what way Sado Masochists may suffer from mental illnesses is a question that has to be diagnosed individually but i wouldn't declare it as an evidence someone being mental disordered/ill. But mental disordered/ill people may express their disorder/illness vial such sexual preferences/doings.

>>9128858
>kids regress to the mean of their parents
>take a group of blacks with an iq of 100, it will be 100 the next generation, provided iq is genetic

>parents with an iq of 85 regardless of race will have kids with an iq of 85

Exactly!!
Blacks are on an average lower iq'ed than whites. That means they will on average have lower iq'ed kids. And the mess continues.

>>9128605
Google will censor it
Sjws will blackmail, slander, and threaten you

We're in a counter ripple from the dark ages right now

>>9128622
Some people are ridiculous
>that family is smart because of genetics
Makes sense to me
>that culture values education so they're smart
Understandable.
>race: a mix of genetics and culture that has been defined over tens of thousands of years. Therefore, races vary in intelligence.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERACISMREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>9128939
>And I think that this boils down to what you personally perceive as proof. A description? A formal representation in a symbolic system such as math? Classification? Modeling? Labeling? What kind of understanding do you seek? What would satisfy you?

Right.
You are at least trying to be as unbiased and rational as possible, in wich i can't say the same about the anon discussing with you.
He tries to imply his words as a given fact, whilst yours are based on lack of information and a biased mindset, allthough he can't nail/debunk your "fallacies.
So the question is how valuable are his words and opinion if you keep that in mind?

>>9131825
Why dont you respond directly with arguments instead of trying to circle jerk your way around an argument? What have I asserted as fact that you disagree with?

>>9131818
Not neccessarily, if some genetic subgroup of blacks have an avg. IQ of 100, their kids are expected to have 100 IQ as well.

This is why considering blacks as a homogenous race is garbage, since there are many subgroups within blacks all with different characteristics

See also: blacks in America vs. blacks in Africa

>>9128605
You will be completely exiled from any job prospects regardless of how much you've contributed to the scientific community if you publish a paper that so much as points to anything other than "everyone is equal. gender and race is a social construct".

t. James Watson

Wouldn't IQ be irrelevant anyways in a mentally augmented society? At least I assume that's the direction we're going.

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>>9128605
Because liberals like to censor these studies.

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>>9131845
Why are you pretending to be me, bud? I wrote that post not (you).

>>9132090
He responded to you, but criticized me.

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>>9132098
Oh, well! I'm retaded. Fuck, I should stop drinking and browing /sci/
Oh well.
brainlet out-

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>>9131803
Pic from
>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3356084/I-ve-gone-child-Husband-father-seven-52-leaves-wife-kids-live-transgender-SIX-YEAR-OLD-girl-named-Stefonknee.html
Husband and father-of-seven, 52, leaves his wife and kids to live as a transgender SIX-YEAR-OLD girl named Stefonknee
>
A man identifying himself as woman or attack helicopter.
Is the same as a Black identifying himself as White.
Or a Brainlet identifying as Math Genius.
Or a Old man identifying himself as a Toddler.
Or a Person identifying himself as a Potato.
>
No matter what you say about yourself, you can't change who you truly are.

>>9132104
>I should stop drinking and browing /sci/
Its Saturday, what else is there to do?

>>9132113
Sunday even

>>9128605
>>9128614
I could dig some pasta right now

>>9129476
disorders don't evolve due to selective pressures

>>9128612
>the most consistently measurable and predictive metric to come out of psychology doesn't exist
hmmm. why would someone say this?

>>9132125
Of course IQ exists. The question is what it actually measures.

>>9132151
intelligence

>>9132153
Okay, but the more IQ tests you do, the higher your score will be. So you can get good at IQ tests pretty much.

Does this mean that doing IQ test is the easiest way to get smarter?

Seems a bit flawed and limited to me.

>>9132159
that's not true. the more you train for a particular IQ test, the better you perform in that one test.
you do not perform better in any arbitrary set of IQ tests.

>>9132161
>train for a particular IQ test, the better you perform in that one test.
It happens to same or similar.

http://www.iqscorner.com/2011/01/iq-test-effects.html

>The impact of retesting on test performance, whether using the WAIS-III, WAIS-R, other Wechsler scales, or similar tests

>>9132207
ok so similar. still not any arbitrary set.
I don't really understand this criticism either. if you suspect someone has trained for an IQ test, administer them a completely different one.
someone's ability to skew the results of a test doesn't invalidate the test for honest participants.
people can just lie on personality tests, or when talking to psychiatrists, but that doesn't mean those tests or psychs are rubbish

>>9132227
I'm just pointing out a limitation that can show that IQ is not a direct measurement of intelligence.
If it was the ultimate measurement for intelligence that many people are treating it as, then there wouldn't be these factors that could skew the result in whatever direction.

IQ gives us an indication of intelligence, sure, but it doesn't directly measure it. Intelligence is so vaguely defined anyway, so you could have all kinds of arguments about that too.

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>>9128605
IQ & race in one pic.
Average SAT scores increases when the number of black students taking the test drops.

Because it might offend somebody somewhere at some point in time. Gotta have empathy senpai

>>9132256
SAT scores are not psychometric tests.

I bet nobody from /pol/ even knows what SAT stands for.

>>9132291
Sexist Asshole Test?

>>9131845
>Why dont you respond directly with arguments instead of trying to circle jerk your way around an argument? What have I asserted as fact that you disagree with?
Nothing. That is the problem. You provide no arguments. You just blame another anon not having any arguments by questioning his method of getting one while not getting specific what your problem is.

Example:

Anon: 4+4=8
You: May it be you just came to the result because you are biased?
So you are basically questioning his calculation/reasoning by doubting he could be right. And all that without yourself ever doing the math.

>>9131951
I never questioned that.
The problem about race and IQ related stuff is that we discuss an average of the population/race to come to a conclusion that defines if they (blacks) are less intelligent/smart than we whites are. The resulst is yes, they have a lower average IQ than we have.
No matter how high IQ'd some of them may be on an individual basis. They are outnumbered by their own people that drag down the IQ-level of their average.

>>9132109
Nothing to add

>>9132740
I'm had problems with his method for arriving at his conclusion, if you want to get further into why correlation does not equal causation, we can do that, because that was my whole problem, and it makes his conclusion and theory irrelevant.

>>9132250
what is g-factor
>>9132291
yes they are. they are just as g-loaded as other exams. the re versioning has made it less g -loaded but it applies.

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>>9128605

>>9132777
As you said, correllation is not the same as causation. Allthough correllation can be used to make conclusions.

When i have an engine and put some sand grains into its oil bath, it only needs a certain time for me to measure the damage i caused with this. The more sand i put into the oil, the faster i will fuck up the engine. This for me is making a conclusion out of correllation. And i guess i am right with my conclusion. I guess there wouldn't be many to disagree with me on that.
Sure i broke the case down very simple and some people might say it would make a huge difference when the sand grains are finer or slightly bigger but in general the conclusion is right and stands for itself. The more sand i put into the engines oil system, the faster the engine will die.
So i concluded with a correllation and found the causation.

My example was the simplest possible one and doesn't apply to all situations or problems to solve but in general you can pretty good pinpoint a problem to its roots and find a solution to that.
Sometimes there are different ways to come to the same result.

>>9133808
Already been over this with the other guy. But you still don't seem to be getting my point about the influence of biases. Ill give you an example why just applying logic to the problem doesn't make your argument true.

So there was this study on school kids that found a correlation between how many hours the kids slept at night and the result they showed in school. The data showed that the more sleep they got the better the kids did. The researchers controlled for a lot of normal stuff like what school they went to, socioeconomic background etc. After this the researchers hypothesized that sleeping less made the students have trouble concentrating in class which impacted them negatively. Bam perfect correlation and logic to support the claim, so it must be true right?
Well, later they played more with the data and controlled for certain things the parents did, like homework, and suddenly the sleeping correlation was gone. This goes directly against what they first concluded. Turns out how well parents follow up on their kids was an underlying link that the researchers had not considered, kids that were up late but had their parents follow up on in other ways still did good in school. The correlation didn't even have anything to do with sleep; parents who let their kids stay up late were more likely to not follow up on them in other ways too that mattered.

The point is that by simply looking at data, and then drawing logical conclusions from that will lead mistakes, and with complex problems, there will be a hundred ways to intetprate the data, so you will never do well by simply finding a conclusion and working from there.

Already pointed out just one such problem here:
>An obvious problem with your conclusion is that all the races you name have also been living in the same society's. And I think you would agree that you need to be living under certain conditions with certain values and opportunity if you are going to make large scientific progress.

>>9133808
no, your example is not a case of correlation at all eedjot. you have an independent variable and a dependent one. plus you used the phrase "i caused".

well done for showing you clearly dont understand what correlation or causation is. just spouting memes.

>>9132795
g-factor isn't necessarily a definition for intelligence.

>>9128712
>show me
try to do a study and see your job and future prospects gone

>>9128637
Incas were superior to europeans though.

>>9132076
No, it would define the frozen hierarhcy in a mentally augmented society.
There's simply no way people who are on top now or in the future would forfeit their position of power, and even the mental augmentation we have now in form of computers are not helping to curb differences in IQ.
If you're talking about gene editing, that basically just amounts to eugenics.

>>9133844
>Therefore everyone is equal

>>9133910
Where have I said everyone is equal? I guess when you can't win the current argument, its best to just abandon it for a new one right?

>>9133897
I still don't see how even a ten point difference would be significant in an society that has infinite brain power through mesh networking and access to instant knowledge, not considering that such hierarchies are based on political influence and networth definitely not intellect. As far as modern technology not bridging the gap, I'd say that's more akin to having a supermassive library at your fingertips, if not a poorly organized one. It's one thing to look up and learn about theoretical physics online, it's another thing to summon that knowledge in an instant.

>>9131803
ay, as long as treatment for the disorders isn't legislated. let 'em have their dickasses; we get lesbians, traps, and threesomes

>>9132227
All IQ tests are pretty similar dude. Plus you can get good at more than one type.

>>9133949
>I still don't see how even a ten point difference would be significant in an society that has infinite brain power through mesh networking and access to instant knowledge
that's some cyberpunk shit right there.
the truth is, we don't know how feasible that is, and what would happen if we got to that point technologically.
since life has no logical end point or goal it's reasonable to assume it would come down to competition for resources as it did in the past (and does in the present), and especially mechanisms of control for the privileged classes.
perhaps i'm too much of a pessimist though.

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>>9133949
>
The ability to use tools doesn't translate to problem-solving capability. If that were the case, any ass hat with a good calculator could be a mathematician. Synthesizing situation-specific information out of general information cannot be done simply by summoning more general information.

>>9128605
>asian
>smart
Pick one. They're just good at cracking tests.
Also
>using standardized tests

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there's one thing I don't get

so one of the arguments against race mixing with high IQ black women is the regression to the mean, but doesn't that go against the race realism standpoint? race realists believe natural selection caused some races to be smarter than others just like some are taller, have different facial characteristics, etc. But lets say you reproduce the effects of natural selection by only letting smart people reproduce, regression to the mean says 2 high IQ parents will probably have an offspring with average IQ, so shouldn't the next generation of that population have average IQ as well?

also has anyone debunked the Flynn Effect?

>>9128605
Two things.
IQ is not meaningful in anything but being good at solving IQ tests.
People get influenced by their emotions and their bias, thus making them unable to reasonably discuss an argument without falling into ad hominem attacks and the like.

>>9133848
there are no models of intelligence that don't measure the g-factor. all the multiple types of intelligence, if you humor that astrology-level nonsense, are all measures of g. That's where it originates.

>>9129083
DESU I have never met a stupid lesbian. They are all above average intelligence. Most of the retardation in feminism comes from straight and "bi because it's trendy" girls.

>>9128605
Who cares about this fucking shit? What kind of fucking polices do you want passed or social mores to be changed?

>>9132760
But we never really take into account of how other places became smarter as they developed like East asia, Europe America yet for some reason people think this cannot apply to the poor countries of today.

>>9134514
>so one of the arguments against race mixing with high IQ black women
By whom? And don't just say "I've read somewhere..."

And regression to the mean occurs at the same time as selection for beneficial traits; they're not exclusive. It's merely the unlikelihood of completely passing on rare combinations of genes in their entirety. Some still do. The child will often end up less outstanding than a parent, but better off than other children.

Also, there will be few differences between blacks and whites of similar IQ as breeding stock. Once you've preselected by IQ, race differences after regression will also shrink.

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>>9134514
RttM means that, given a random environment, anomalies are not self-propagating.That is a freak of nature (star Olympian 3 time Fields medal winner for example) don't beget freak of natures. That's not to say they can't but that their kid may just be a 1 star Nobel prize winner in literature or a star pro golfer player with the chance of a FoN like them being just the same as their parents chance of producing said FoN in the first place. It's not bad but their kids just regress to the mean. they didn't become the mean or anything liek that but they approach it (and still do quite well).

A sharpshooter can hit perfect bulls eye shots once or twice but over a long set of data they will score lower shots that are STILL good nonetheless.

>>9128605
Because people berate others for it, and I'd might try to cite how idiots figured there was some kind of master race that could be decided by war (cough cough WWI). Mainly, people go on about how all humans are the same, despite being members of a species from various locations somehow has led to no change in traits as in other species.

Satoshi Kanazawa's theory of the savannah principle in his book "the intelligence paradox" seems to be a good example of the work, but it only goes over averages and the statistics he is able to find.

>>9128605
Because race is only a thing in the US

>>9128623
Trans is not a sexuality, it describes a change in sexuality. So someone can be trans male to female, or trans female to male. After that idk what might classify with the "antimale" crap they also have...

>>9135708
>>9135687
>>9135363
>if we just keep posting and resurrecting the same thread every day, we will change the laws of nature and disprove science!

>>9128605

Anyone who does or attempts to do studies on any of those things is fired immediately

>>9136238
Hi OP (or some other samefag)

>>9128623
It's a mental illness

>>9128941
Here's the video in the image. The one you saw was likely a re-upload by a different channel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SJNVb0GnPI

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>>9128960
when youtube try to censor free speech.

>>9138944
>when a company tries to do whatever it wants
Hmm...

>>9128605
Because it is difficult to control all the things that could also affect IQ so your study is probably going to be technically shit, but you cold probably do it anyway and get lauded as a hero on /pol/

>>9128659
>and measure it as general accomplishments
Do I smell... selection bias?

>>9133889
So you believe race exists?

>>9128605
> Why is it so difficult to find studies conducted on IQ differences between races, genders, and sexual orientation?

Because intelligence ain't real, so replace your country with morons who will do what they are told and not question it.

>>9139934
>believing x
Irrelevant, as your entire eurangutan ethnic group is going extinct, and your chimp-out won't matter then. Face your replacement, subhuman.

>>9135072
We still don't know how and why it works or where it comes from. It's just an association with not much explanation behind it. Besides, it is based on a rather vague preconception of intelligence too.

>>9128605
IQ only measures a certain kind of intelligence. You guys may be able to do the physics behind a football being thrown, but can't calculate it in real time and throw a football to a wide receiver in a game.

>>9138944
400,000 views sounds impressive, but people only watch a few minutes and close it. His screenshot shows 66,907 views and 237,472 minutes of watching. That means people wanted to see what the controversy was about and closed it after about 3 minutes.

>>9128605
Why isn't there an ashkenazi? Are their brains too big?

>>9140194
>Eurangutan
Is that a race?

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>>9128605
Ignoring everything /pol/ has taught me...
There are always exceptions, differences among the individuals in a population is what drives evolution. Main reason of why Psychology approaches it's findings the way it does.
With that said, you can obviously find trends that will be very real and useful, but that would clash the the idea that all humans have the same value, specially in societies that value the intellect so much
>Also pic related is a main factor to take into account

>>9141845
Yes. It's the real name of the "european" """"people"""". Eurangutans.

>>9132125

This guy sorted himself out.

>>9128605
/pol/ is not welcome here.
It's not hard to find. You're just too stupid to search, as made obvious by the fact that you think homophobes have a higher average IQ than homosexuals.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9343633

>>9129083
Because the 13 year old making the "info"graph thinks lesbians are hot.

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>>9143036
Yeah putting some pegs in a hole 21 years ago is really conclusive evidence. Go back to leftypol kiddo

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>>9128605
Because IQ is nonsense. Some tests don't even take into account the speed which you complete it, so a slow autist with the desire to take two hours on a test is going to score just as well as someone who is actually good at the problems.

IQ tests can often be divided into two categories : Culture-fair and Culture-unfair.

The issue with culture-unfair tests are obvious, but the issue with culture-fair tests is far less obvious.

Here is an example of the kind of bullshit you'll see on culture-fair tests.

There is no pattern here. It's just random shapes. If you see a pattern, you're lying. Explain which of the arbitrary fuckin shapes is the "correct" answer.

>>9143053
>googles the only capitalized words he sees because he's a brainlet
>too dumb to read the entirety of the abstract
The Purdue pegboard is one small part of the set of tasks. Do you even know what WAIS is? No, you don't. You'll have to google it.

>>9142964
So race is real?

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>>9128605
>based off of this chart, my brain is bigger then a Poon in loo

well thats why im so behind in my statistical mech. class...

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>>9143075

>>9143069
Bottom left

>>9143100
It will be irrelevant soon as the eurangutan race will get wiped out of existence and there will be no one to complain about inferior races.
>>9143119
>kills and enslaves the other ethnic groups
>haha look at your score
Hmm...

>>9143119
>humanity
>white people
Nnnnnnnope.

Life will go on after your extinction.

>>9143119
>there is a big correlation here therefor the skin must be the organ most responsible for intelligence.

>>9128605
It's all a scheme I believe. Along with why television focuses on mere personal experience, ego, relationships than something with meaning and truth.

>>9143165
>>9143172
>>9143174
Done samefagging?

>>9143119
My citation was about homosexuals. I'm glad you've moved past it though and now agree that they're smarter than heterosexuals.

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>>9128605 >>9143111
The OP's Chart leaves out the Largest Brain:
The Ashkenazi Jew Brain
[math]\mathfrak{PHENOTYPE}[/math]

>>9143176
>humanity
>white people
>"hurr s-samefag!"
Nope.

This is >>9143119 bullshit. Humanity will go on after your race gets extinct'd.

"An IQ score correlates with success but doesn't dictate, and is a poor "measure of the man". Allow me to be politically incorrect for a moment to make my point: saying that IQ scores predict success is a little like saying that the color of your skin at birth predicts your future income"

>the color of your skin at birth predicts your future income
Yep it's true albeit variable.

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>>9143189
Ofcourse humanity will go on. A dumber version of humanity.

You will still be ruled by the white\asian class that refuses to breed with niggers.

>im sorry you are inferior. Atleast your not abo-orginal

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>>9143165
>and there will be no one to complain about inferior races.

Jesus thats the dumbest thing ive read in this thread. You must belong with the post modernist crew of retards.

The rwandan genocide? Its human nature to despice diffrences. Forcing a downgrade in evulution to serve some marxist view of an eutopic society is fucking facist.

>hurr durr if we all look like shit nobody will complain about superior whites or inferior blacks
>hurr durr we are all the same and we can be molded to do what ever society wants

You people are the cancer in academia. Marxist retards marching towards the cliff.

> but oure eutopia cant fail. Cuz we the moraly superior fucktards

>>9143307
>dumber version
The version that didn't kill itself lol
>>9143311
>all those implications
Get extinct'd subhuman. That's for the amerindian genocide.

>>9143311
>superior whites
When did i say that

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>>9143187
There is a reason why they left it out.

Because it leads to logical conclusions which modern society doesn't like.

Unfortunate truths that go against everything people in the last 60 years have been taught.

>>9143311
>I've never read Marx but let me tell you why he's terrible: the post

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>>9143069
But it is something that is considered authentic when you estimate an actual primate's intelligence.

>>9128605
Should have made the asian head smaller but the brain size more disproportional to the head size and given the nigger big lips and a rounder nose.

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>>9143069
The middle row of shapes has one single and one double arrow facing the same way, with a different direction-facing shape in between them. If that's the pattern, then the correct choice would be the one that
1. faces the same direction as the one on the left
2. compliments the established ratio between single and double arrows

So the best answer is the one on the bottom row, second from the left.

t. too intelligent for the IQ test meme

>>9144707
I think you are wrong.

>>9135716
Idiot fuck how do you not even understand return to the mean with my example?

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>>9128605
Asian and white racist sexist homophobe #REKT by low-functioning mounds of flesh

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>>9128605
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subspecies#Criteria
>When geographically separate populations of a species exhibit recognizable phenotypic differences, biologists may identify these as separate subspecies; a subspecies is a recognized local variant of a species.

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>>9144628
>that pic

>>9144628
You do know Koko the Gorilla took and IQ tests for INFANTS and scored only 86 IQ?

>>9144628
That site as bullshit though. there wasn't even a link or source for the study.

If certain races are genetically predisposed to have higher or lower IQ scores than others, why does the relative gap between races jump around so dramatically? Consider that
>the IQ gap between blacks and whites in America decreased 7 points between 1972 and 2002
>over a 30 year period Dutch IQ jumped 20 points, starting from somewhere around sub-Saharan Africa tier--I am not aware of any mass migrations that could explain this
Basically if it's all about race then why does the Flynn effect affect different races at different speeds, within single generations? How is this biologically possible?

>>9135283
He wants a colony government 2.0
He would be on top no matter what because he's high IQ" and the rest treated like complete shit but complete justified because "they can't handle the burdens of intelligence".

It's not enough that he is white I-I-I mean his ethnic group is supposedly is high IQ but that others must be treated like shit because he wants to defacto to become the dejure. It's not enough that he is on top because of the actions of others but that it must be cemented like a natural law.

>>9144964
>may

>>9145001
Dutch are still retarded imo. Godverdamme jij kanker

>>9145001

It is because intelligence = genetic * environmental contribution.

Flynn effect is due to increasingly better environment, so while intelligence of every race increases, the gap between races persists.

Another thing you need to realize is that Flynn effect is over in developed countries for several decades because environment is already close to optimal.

In developed countries, intelligence = genetic contribution * 0.99. Basically meaning that any gape that remains (and there is still a significant gap) is mostly due to genetics.

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>>9143174
Actually the correlation of skin pigmentation is the climate.
>Light skin = less sunlight/colder climate
>Dark skin = more sunlight/warmer climate
Because races that developed in the warmer climates of the earth have access to food in the shape of plants or animals to hunt year round. Because they were able to survive with easily obtainable food sources they never had to store food to survive the cold months where the food would no longer be available, therefore never developed the required ability/intelligence to defer gratification in order to survive by saving their food.

I think there are some misconceptions concerning the relationship IQ - genetics

1. Not IQ itself is inherited from parents, but the IQ-potential. For example: A kenyan probably has a higher potential to run a marathon faster then I do, but if he always eats fastfood and I train daily, I will probably beat him.

2. Genetics is not that simple. even if my father and my mother both have an IQ of 100, doesn't mean my potential is 100 (maybe it is the one with the highest probability, but it could also be 120, 70, 110 or any other number).

>>9145920
All regions of the world, except for certain tropical island areas, have varying seasons.

Humans did not store food until around 8 kya when agriculture developed. ALL humans before that were hunter/gatherer.

>>9145949
Not an argument.

>>9146016

>All regions of the world, except for certain tropical island areas, have varying seasons.

only northern regions have variations so deadly that if you dont have clothing, fire and shelter you freeze to death

harsher environment -> more evolutionary pressure to be intelligent and plan for the future

>>9146512
Are animals in northern regions smarter then similar ones in constantly warmer regions?

>>9144707
Then what about the entirely blank first row?

>>9145920
>>9146512
Something tells me Geography was not your best subject lol.

>>9128605
Because there is too much controversy and bias put into their results when the researchers conduct studies like these.

>>9146512
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_glacial_period

>>9146512
If that were true, agriculture would have started in Europe, rather than in the Fertile Crescent, India, and Egypt.

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Race and IQ is wonderful, it let's me be a racist against blacks but be infatuated with Asian girls at the same time

>>9147315
Snow is known to fall in Hawaii.

>>9146016
>Thinks that every part of world snow falls.
Why there are so many fucking brainless that think that Snow falls in most of the World.
There are so many places in the World that Snow NEVER falls & the winter is hot.
Such as USA's warmest states ( Florida, California, Texas, Deep South),
Mediterranean coast (South Italy, South France, etc),
Caribbean Coast, Brazil, Africa, India, Saudi Arabia & Southeast Asia.

>>9145920

This is true, and it's also the reason europeans are so much dumber and nigger-like than Asians;

they got cucked by caucasian aryans and arab farmer invaders, while NE Asians more or less transitioned straight from hunting to agriculture to today with little population disruption.

The result is that pure europeans don't exist anymore, and most europeans today are barely even half european.

Where the european ancestry rises (Finland Estonia), IQ and civilized behavior rises. However, even this could be due to advantageous Asian genes being selected in these populations, as they were fathered by Siberian Mongoloid invaders.

>>9128612
fpbp

IQ is a retarded byproduct of sociology which was only ever intended to measure developmental milestones and is only perpetuated because it's the modern-day equivalent of astrology.

>>9147328
Winter in Europe isn't even that bad compared to areas with no coast to moderate the climate.

>>9147328
Snow has nothing to do with it. You can still hunt in the winter. ALL HUMANS before agriculture were hunter-gather tribes. No one "stored food" or "planned ahead" before agriculture.

>>9143165
>>9142964
>>9140194
>>9133889
Literally no one but you uses the word "eurangutan" you dirty spanish rape baby
https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/3161708/

>>9147760
Try again with some facts, monkey.

Inca superiority is a historical fact. Get over it, subhuman.

>>9147762
I'm not from the race that got their entire culture and people raped in one of the worlds largest scale and effectively wiped out

>>9128764
You do realize this aversion to racism is a fairly recent thing, right? Yet there are no rigorous studies from any period that demonstrate your points. Quite the opposite. It's almost like the scientific community looks at the evidence to from their views.

>>9147767
>effectively
Wrong. Quechuas are pretty much alive.

Yet the eurangutan race is dying already they have to import negroes and arabs to boost their poor natality hehehe. They are literally being replaced by mexican mongrels on America and muslim peasants on Europe.

Incas were superior to europeans. History demonstrates it. Face it, you cannot stop your extinction, chimp.

>>9147772
Not really they're lines have been diluted with the constant and consistently admixture from both the European and the occasional negroid breeding.
I'm maori : ^ )

>>9129380
>missing the point this hard
Who do you think you're gonna impress kid?

>>9147773
All wrong. Quechua people from the mountain communities and families keep being natives with some individuals being mixed.

History demonstrates Inca superiority. You literally cannot prove me wrong, monkey.

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I wish Americans stopped reducing everything to white, black, brown, and yellow. It's absolutely insane to consider russians and algerians to be the same, under the generic definition of "white".

>>9147778
They're an irrelevant population though they have little to no value

>>9147781
>irrelevant
So, a united statian?
>now
>post-genocide comparison
If we are willing to put eurangutans under the same treatment the amerindian population was given: 90% mortality rate for two centuries, elite and middle class murdered, the rest of the priviledged class assimilated, the survival peasants enslaved and put on toxic mines for 4 centurie; then we can agree to compare both populations nowadays.

>>9147787
I mean if they were killed off in droves and their remaining living descendants are worthless then they can't have been worth much :^)

>>9147480
This desu

>>9147796
>comparing modern population
So you agree with Inca superiority? Great for you.

Inca superiority remains unrefuted. Let's be honest with ourselves, eurangutan replacement is innevitable. Hehehe

>>9133844
le upboat xD
> gas the kikes

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>>9128712
>>9128668
>>9128637
>>9128764
>>9128764
>What would constitute acceptable evidence in your part?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-czf4Oipwk

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>>9147480
Would you hire someone with IQ of 120 or someone with IQ of 80 to do a complex job?

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>>9147779
Unlike most countries in Europe that do not classify their people by race, USA have to continue to classify people according to race for affirmative action policy purposes.

>>9128605
Because IQ is averaged based off of educated people who can afford to take a reputable test.

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>>9144605
He said "Marxist" not just Marx, obviously talking about the people that claim to follow his ideology. Marx had some not so nice things to say about non whites and Jews, so a true Marxist in 2017 would be labelled an ultra racist socialist.

>>9148203
They do have affirmative action in Europe. France for example accepts the top few percent of every high school into good universities. Given that people naturally segregate, you have the top graduates at gypsy, arab, and black schools getting into universities. But if these top performing non whites were in white schools, they would finish with an average class rank at best.

>>9147480
Why is it consistently predictive of a whole range of life outcomes then?

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>>9147762
>Inca superiority is a historical fact.
>>9147767
>They were raped & wiped out.
>>9147772
>Quechuas are pretty much alive.
Inca (& other native) men were wiped out.
Inca (& other native) women were raped by Spanish
The bastard offspring of Spanish men & Native women became most of today Latinos.

>>9148318
I kinda like that idea. Maybe aslong as there is some minimum score or something.

>>9128605
>tfw all races have different brain mass
>tfw propaganda shows them all equal

>>9148332
Wrong. Quechua people are pretty much alive.

Inca superiority remains unrefuted, get over it subhuman.

>>9148778
There are several flaws to that but it's one of several ways really.

>>9147913
>completely ignoring all the Bullshit and horrors of the time being simply black in the top pic.

Lol

>>9148318
>>9148778
>>9148917
They do the same thing in Texas (as if the US doesn't already have enough affirmative action)

You'll see the smartest people in the state at the UT business school in the same classes as mediocre Mexicans who only got in because half of their high school peers didn't even show up to their classes.

Unless you like the idea of inferior students taking university spots of superior students, I don't know why you would like that idea.

>>9148938
Because those superior students lost in a school setting for their higher performing sociology economic bracket vs their cohorts. Those poor ass kids worked hard in their shit schools which aren't able to give them the same quality and care

>>9148955
right because students have no agency and teacher quality is the only fucking thing that matters in life.

I'm going to blow your mind here, but it's possible that wealthier people SOMETIMES work harder.

>>9148960
>right because students have no agency and teacher quality is the only fucking thing that matters in life.

There's so much shit non poor schools have over rich ones on top of all the out of school shit one with money can use.

>>9148965
Maybe if blacks would stop assaulting teachers, higher quality teachers would teach there, idk just a thought.

>>9149032
I'm talking about all poor people you assholem, it's not only teacher quality that is much different.
Stop resorting to hyperbole.

>>9149048
poor and non white is basically synonymous

>inb4 what about the poor whites and rich blacks
we're talking about aggregates here, because that's how policy is shaped

>>9149058
There can be poor/underserved whites too.

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>>9148955
Actually shit schools received more funding since liberals/democrats believe more money will solve the schools under performance.

>>9149326
Shit schools need significantly more money because everything is more expensive in the inner cities. Plus the children need more support that isn't provided by parents.

>>9148314
>so a true Marxist in 2017 would be labelled an ultra racist socialist.
confirmed for 15 years old

>>9148917
I jist think maybe if they put the minimum score higher above the entry requirements. Youre right. Its not right to discriminate but there are defo some racial biases in education and i just wanna know how we can lessen the gap.

>>9132125
>psychology
So this is what /pol/ studies

>>9128605

Fun fact:

Every population has a mean IQ of 100.

>>9149354
>Shit schools need more money because everything is more expensive in inner cities

Any hard evidence that price differences negate all extra funding they receive?

>>9149422
It absolutely does not. Like I said, the kids need more support for other reasons.

>>9149422
They have a worse tax base, less ways to raise funds, cost of running the school itself.

The money helps but it isn't really sustainable.

>>9128858
>there are no significant iq differences between sexes

False. same average, different distribution.

>>9149431
>they have a worse tax base
but we already established they receive more funding (mainly from federal and state subsidies) making this argument irrelevant.

>>9149430
Help in what ways? Please be specific

>>9149473
Well, I know some schools have started programs to send kids home with food so they don't go hungry over the weekend when they aren't being fed at school.

>>9149431
Jesus Christ. Are you that retard?

>>9149473
>>9149481
money gained over time anon.

>>9149495
also antioxidant to schools.

>>9149473
To replace the lack of parenting. After school programs, extra tutoring programs, etc. Inner cities need it, but often lack it, because all of that is more expensive in the inner city. Lots of those schools don't even have grass fields for sports or music programs. Those require large dedicated spaces.

So much ignorance in this thread... You niggas really need to read about psychometrics, and stop spouting the debunked fallacies of the Jew York culturmarx clique (lewontin, jay gould, etc.)

I think after the past history of badly done illogical and unscientific purporting to be scientific studies conducted on that topic (mostly prejudice in a form so it can be cited) and then those studies were cited as reasons to put discriminatory legislation or to treat others unkindly, the legitimate scientific community stays away from that sort of thing.

also iQ is kind of complicated.

studies show that there isnt an significant difference btw. it was the waves of studies debunking the aforementioned badly done ones. they were properly reviewed I think, so no further rehashing of the same research was done.

>>9149501
Every single attempt to raise IQ through governmental intervention has failed. For instance, Head Start has failed to produce any noticeable gains in IQ.

>>9149401
But if you don't normalize each sample independantly, and use one sample as the "standard" fixing its mean at 100, then you can compare the samples. Magic!

>>9149507
What? Every single study conducted since IQ testing was invented 100 years ago show a gap between the IQ of white and black americans equal to a standard deviation.

>>9149501
Again, is there any evidence that "inner-city schools" lack of resources is due to higher prices instead of, say, corrupt black officials squandering the money?

Because as >>9149326 pointed out, "inner city schools" are better funded, it's an objective fact.

You can drop the "inner city" thing and just say black if you want, everybody knows what it means, including yourself.

Also, please address the first argument in this post instead of ignoring everything and looking for the easiest and unfalsifiable thing to critique.

>>9128622
this

It is worth knowing if there is a difference between genders and races because societal pressures are trying to make everyobe equal. If we knew an entire gender irnrace sucks at something we can stop making artificial quotas and reforming the subject untill its fits everyone.
For example.. set the same physical bar for military service and let women that can make it in and leave the rest out. Another is if we knew certain races are bad at math we could stop giving them scholarships based on race and let the bestbearn the positions and scholarships and be OK if it isnt racially balanced.

>>9128625
That's the problem OP pointed out, there aren't many studies on the matter, and when there are they're extremely hard to find, resulting in a lack of evidence.

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>>9128605
lmao have you even seen what asian "IQ Tests" look like? They're much easier than ours. The "Oriental Brain" is a (((myth))) designed to permanently make whites believe we're not supreme. They HAD to invent such a myth, most of the world's greatest minds are/were white men of european descent. Sure, some were kikes, but those in particular were mostly white anyway. Einstein was a fraud though. This has been widely proven, so much of his work has been debunked in modern times. Freud was also a fraud. Nikola Tesla was the greatest mind of our time.

Whites are the most intelligent and beautiful race on the planet, asians and jews just can't compare I'm afraid. No matter what propaganda you read.

>>9150164
Incas were superior to europeans though.

>>9149504
good post
I honestly feel sorry for the people that do good work in psychometrics/differential psychology etc because of the awful amount of misconceptions people have about it
dipshits also think they're entitled to say whatever they want when they've read like 2 research papers. I'd never debate a physicist so I have no idea why people think they're qualified enough to challenge people with a knowledge in the field

>>9149511

Kek yes

>>9150164
Ill be stealing this copypasta if you don't mind.

>>9150171
kek the entire Inca empire got wrecked by 100 spanish guys

>>9150164
idk Kpop girls are better looking than white girls

>>9147480
this

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>>9147480
Unlike astrology, IQ have a higher accuracy in prediction of life outcome. IQ has an enormous impact on lifestyle, achievement, and behavior. IQ correlates to poverty, crime, mortality, and broken homes on one side — and education, wealth, human accomplishment, long life and stable homes on the other.

>>9128622
Well said indeed.

But this same issue is also problematic, I think. Countless studies and advice are motivated by this same "tell them what they need to hear, not what actually is" mentality, which only further perpetuates people's childish beliefs in the extremes, serves to degrade any possibility of sensible conversation even further, and makes finding objective answers exceedingly difficult.

I mean, while there are literally hundreds of examples I could probably come off at the top of my head, we could use something as simple as the concept of ideal heart rate for sports is basically a byproduct of this same phenomenon. I can't even remember how many times I've had to argue with people who were convinced walking burns more calories than running because their heart rate is at the ideal pace for their age and weight. Stuff gets dumbed down to better "motivate" people all over the place, which acts as nothing but a massive deterrent for those of us who crave for the truth of things.

Not to mention the conversation killer that it is, when you can't even fucking discuss the importance of moderation among your colleagues, because literally everyone is - at least publicly - in either extreme in all matters of politics, economy and sociology.

I think people COULD handle unbiased, objective and even complicated facts and discussions better if they were raised in a society where doing that was the norm, and extremist thinking would be deemed universally unacceptable - signs of stupidity, something to be embarrassed about. But our societies instead cater to that stupidity, feed it, fucking relish it.

>>9150343
Wrong. Natives beat the Inca. Europeans just kept backstabbing each other even their own kind.

Inca superiority is a historical fact. Get over it, monkey.

>>9128605
Because that's wrongthink.

>>9149940
That's gonna fuck over people hard anon. Who would do that?

>>9151086
Also you are just doing a self fulfilling prophecy.

>>9128605
Environmental factors are too big. You'll have to raise a few thousands babies of each type in a sterile lab to meaningfully test this.

>>9128605
Because people are scared of race war. That's literally the reason why. They're too fucking pussy to admit that there are differences.

>>9151381
Or you can just test adults of each race across every country (every culture) in the world.

If you get differences between the races (which you always do) then it's almost certain that these differences are biologically rooted. You can also find tons of biological differences between the races. Blood types, prevalence of genetic conditions, etc.

We're different, it's as simple as that. The evidence for our differences is simply overwhelming. But the idea of "equality" is just like the old notion of God - people believe in it because they think society will collapse if we don't. And they're right to an extent, because it can cause ethnic conflict. So we pretend that we're all the same because the truth is "offensive".

>>9151470
Those countries have radically different standards of living+quality of life.

Pretty sure a rural farmer with lit eel to no education will do jackshit vs a uni educated English man.

>>9151480
That's the point. If the gap persists at about the same size over various environments then its likely biological

>>9152419
>correlation=causation
Nope.

>eurangutans having more brain than inuits
LAUGHING MY ASS OFF ROLLING ON THE FLOOR

>>9129277
>No reason why he should even try
There's is your problem, expecting handouts instead of helping yourself is mediocre behavior at best. Asians are not white, some can't even speak english well, but at least they try

"The mighty has never helped a lazy man. He does not help the coward. He does not help people that cannot help themselves [...] People, Help Yourselves. And the almighty cannot deny his assistance"
-Adolf Hitler

>>9152484
>quoting hitler
Loser detected
>There's is your problem, expecting handouts instead of helping yourself is mediocre behavior at best. Asians are not white, some can't even speak english well, but at least they try
Proof? otherwise average eurangutan delusion

>>9147913
looks comfy

>>9152484
>a schizo who thinks aliums and big-nosed people are putting chemicals in his great value brand water is turning him homosexual is going to help himself

This
>>9128622

>>9128605
Insular academia deaf to truth

>>9128605
Because those types of experiments are seen as unethical under racism'sexism ETC.

>>9147480
>implying astrology isn't modern day

>>9147480
>>9147801
>>9150369
There was a time, years ago, when I was researching the topic of IQ differences.
After a while, I noticed that the egalitarians tended to repeat straight up falsehoods like this one. And I don't mean stupid egalitarians, I mean respectable, intelligent people. And I was like "why? I know this shit is false, everyone can find out it's false, so why say it?".
Then I realized that the vast majority of smart, respectable people don't actually know shit about this subject, they literally only believe ni racial equality because they've been brainwashed since birth and anything that contradicts it makes them act irrationally.
If you're reading this and you're like I was back then, keep digging, and you'll notice that it's quite easy to find arguments in support of genetic population differences in psychological traits that literally no one you know or are likely to meet will ever be able to refute.

>>9155697
I know right, it's like being someone who believes in heliocentrism in the 16th century.

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Here is one from the uk, interestingly enough despite being the children of immigrants their IQ's don't seem to regress to the mean

http://www.unz.com/article/the-iq-gap-is-no-longer-a-black-and-white-issue/

>>9155702
Regression to the mean isn't a racial phenomenon, it's a family phenomenon. Of course on average in a given race the two phenomena are going to blur together but that's not the truth for each family. If the families that emigrate are above average when compared to the countries they're coming from, but the individuals emigrating aren't above average when compared to their own families, no regression to the mean is going to happen.

>>9155699
The thing I especially hate about it is that I don't agree with racial classification of those differences (population differences yes, racial...not so much) nor do I agree with the estimates of the heritability between races in IQ that HBDers give (I think they're too high), so I end up not having a group to which I can relate.

>>9155736
Right, but by just entertaining the idea that there is a debate to be had you are automatically labeled a dangerous racist nazi deviant who wants to personally murder 6 million jewish babies.

>>9155741
Exactly, which is why I inevitably side with the HBD side of the debate.
Well, that's not technically accurate since there isn't another side of the debate because the opposite "side" doesn't even want to entertain the possibility of there being a debate, let alone the fact that they might be wrong.

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>>9128637
I bet your nigger ass allways asks this question and allways gets bombarded with statistics, only to proceed to asking it again and again.

>>9128677
Fallacies not welcome

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>>9128659
>When you need a giant thread to NOT come to the conclusion that niggers are dumb as fuck

I thought sci was smart

>>9155903
Most scientist would not want to talk about the truth on IQ and race.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9FGHtfnYWY

>>9128659
I wonder who could be behind this post...

>>9128605
Because those "studies" are all outdated pseudoscience.