Why does /sci/ never discuss Civil Engineering? Are there

Doesnt sci despise and envy engineers in general?

The more applicable it is the more hate it gets.

>>9006990
Because Civil Engineering is boring as hell.

>>9006990
Because Science and Engineering are usually considered somewhat separate. Doesn't mean one is better than the other, though

>>9006992
But Civil Engineering is the only one not discussed in the wiki

>>9006990
I

>>9006990
I have a degree in civil engineering

>>9006992
/sci/ hates engineering because they are brainlets who couldn't make it into engineering.

>>9006990
>Why does /sci/ never discuss Civil Engineering?
because the solution to any civil engineering problem is either 1) more steel, or 2) more concrete

>>9006990
Real question is why doesn't 4chan have an engineering board /eng/

>>9008033
>engineering board /eng/
gay

>>9008034
t. science faggot

>>9008032
>>because the solution to any civil engineering problem is either 1) more steel, or 2) more concrete
>how to minimize cost and maintain some semblance of efficient usage of material
>use more steel

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>>9006992
>The more applicable it is the more hate it gets.
It's funny that Pure Meth Fags hate & mock any applied field like CS, Economics, Engineering & Chemistry.

Math Fags hate also Most of Physics, except the String Theory (because it hard to apply)

Things non-practical things like Alcubierre Drives, Worm Holes, Number Theory, String Theory gets all the attention from these Pure Meth Fags

>>9008033
/diy/ maybe.

>>9008035
>>t. science faggot
I'm that guy though >>9008021

>>9008037
>pure meth fags
I am totally using this insult on them now. kek.

>>9008040
no your not

>inb4 you photoshop a (you) into a photo and pretend its you

>>9008044
>>no your not
It doesn't matter. I really wish I wasn't that guy but I am.

>>9008056
let me guess. You wish you studied theoretical physics or some other sci meme and civil sucks

>>9006990
>Why does /sci/ never discuss Civil Engineering?

>Why doesn't a science board discuss a field that isn't science?

BECAUSE IT'S NOT FUCKING SCIENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GO BACK TO >>>/engr/

>>9008070
Probably even more of a meme if you don't go into academics or some code monkey job. At least with engineering, at the very minimum, you get to sit in a cubicle where you're company is making a difference (not necessarily you though).

>>9008076
>Probably even more of a meme if you don't go into academics or some code monkey job
are you talking about civil or theoretical physcs here

>>9008073
If your autistic manchild ass looked at the sticky you would have realized this board is for STEM. Guess what the E in STEM stands for? No, not euthanasia but I highly recommend it for you.

>>9008033
We do. It's /lgbt/

>>9008032
>this soil is essentially nothing but fatty clay and the concrete pavement roadway is going to crack all to shit underneath it due to clay pumping and heave expansion we could really use some type of geotextile to stabilize the earth and separate the larger aggreg-
>LOL NOPE LETS THROW SOME STEEL IN DERE

You fucking moron.

>>9008363
I rather be a faggot sucking monster tranny cock than an autist virgin pure meth head.

>>9008033
the people who would go on /eng/ would take the tier list seriously

Civil Engineer here. I mostly do roads and drainage for southern state.

couple years ago I was on a project to redo the parking around a physics building at a university. If i did everything right. they should have had horrible flooding in their basement with in a year. IF it rained enough.

>>9010721
Kek. Explain ...

>>9009980
>nothing but fatty clay
overex and recompact 4 feet, 95%D698 -1 to +2 OMC, + 1' of ABC.

do you even geotech? sheesh.

>>9011304
>overex and recompact

good luck finding funding for that

>>9011348
>good luck finding funding for that
seriously why do you care if they can't afford it? I'm not stamping a design that's going to fall apart and be utter shit in 6 months. But seriously there isn't a lot of other good options for swell mitigation in fat clays, at least none that would be cheaper.

>>9011358
>tell the client what the best solution is
>client asks how much
>provide an engineer's estimate
>client says, well what kind of risks I am looking at if we cut the price in half
>Provide client with risks, clearing stating that the expensive method will save money in maintenance in the long run
>client doesn't care because they need to keep the front-end project costs down

>>9008037
>applied field like CS
lol?

>>9011366
questions:
is the road a public right of way?
if its a public right of way who had jurisdiction and what are their minimum design standards?

a lot of the time the client is just going to have to eat the cost because state/county/city regulations specify certain standards. On the other hand if its entirely constructed on private property for private use then they can do whatever they want and they don't need you anyways, especially they don't need you if they expect you to rubber stamp some shit ass design because they're being cheap. Don't blow your reputation to save some POS client a few bucks.

>>9010498
IF /eng/ existed it would be the most intelligent board. This shit hole is infested with undergrads asking about the quadratic equation or true methers.

paving roads and carpentry is NOT science

this is why we don't discuss civil "engineering"

>>9008025
lol, civ e is the most pleb-tier STEM subject possible. At least say Chem E if you're trying to make a point about engineering.

>>9012259
This

>>9011298
/sci/ isn't the only place where my kind get shit on.

so I got back at some people and made some more paying work for other civ engis.

Don't piss off the people who build all your stuff.

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>>9006990
nice bridge

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>>9012306
Ayyyy lmao

>>9012306
That's what happens when you let the intern do your work for you... Your boss will be sued mightily when it happens.

>>9012589
What?

>>9010721
Civil engineer here.

I did a poo in the cistern at an architect's office.

Can't beat a good old upper-decker.

>>9013150
1. He is calling the dude an intern
2. He is saying that when the basement floods, there will be litigation.

Real talk now.

There is nothing wrong with engineering.

The problems are the engineers. A bunch of barely above average intelligence men who lack humility and have absolutely no idea how fucking stupid they are. They think that because they did a bit of calculus at university, they are academically trained to understand everything. They often hold strong opinion on things they understand nothing about.

And they make up 100% of the looneys who send their "proofs" of century old problems to university professors.

And if there is ever a professional who holds and incredibly stupid opinion about some controversial issue, it's always a fucking engineer. It's like engineering is the field you go into if you don't want to challenge your biases.

And people have caught on to this behaviour. Engineers are known as the dumbest educated professionals and they compliment it well with a good douse of arrogance.

There is a hilarious video on Youtube of a physicist reading letters he receives from engineers who claim to have created all sorts of dumb shit. Like, 50 year old men who have been employed as engineers for decades, claiming to have created free energy generators.

>>9012306
>/sci/ isn't the only place where my kind get shit on.

Haha, no. You are known as the resident retarded loonies at a given university.

Everyone knows your kind. Please tell me again how climate change is a big government hoax to turn young Republican children into gay lizards.

I had to tolerate way to many loony conversations from your kind IRL.

>>9011304
It was actually for an entire neighborhood's road reconstruction project. The preexisting concrete pavement had been set directly on top of the fatty clay with no reinforcement whatsoever

to keep things relatively cheap (or as cheap as we could get) we cut about 24", slapped some Mirafi RSI geotextile on top of it and added select engineered fill over that. Then came concrete, reinforcement, curb forms, etc.

was a helluva lot cheaper than your suggestion and it's held up for over 2 years sooo

>>9013179
out of my class of about ~80 people, I only knew 2 of them who were douchebag dumbasses like this. Why are you generalizing?

>>9008025
ironic, since engineers tend to be brainlets

>>9013370
because those 2 people are the loudest. it's like how people generalize CS majors as autistic gamer nerds when in reality those are the people that drop out in their 2nd year.

If anybody here is a civil engineer.

Do I need to be a good artist to become one? Or is it not that necessary?

Always wanted to build a Minecraft town with some proper civil engineering.
Sewage and water, power grid, roads, residential/industrial/business areas, public maintenance, the whole works.
Sadly don't have enough people to get something like that started.

Real talk now.

There is nothing wrong with science.

The problems are the scientists. A bunch of barely above average intelligence men who lack humility and have absolutely no idea how fucking stupid they are. They think that because they did a bit of calculus at university, they are academically trained to understand everything. They often hold strong opinion on things they understand nothing about.

And they make up 100% of the looneys who send their "proofs" of century old problems to university professors.

And if there is ever a professional who holds and incredibly stupid opinion about some controversial issue, it's always a fucking scientist. It's like science is the field you go into if you don't want to challenge your biases.

And people have caught on to this behaviour. Scientists are known as the dumbest educated professionals and they compliment it well with a good douse of arrogance.

There is a hilarious video on Youtube of a nuclear engineer reading letters he receives from physicists who claim to have created all sorts of dumb shit. Like, 50 year old men who have been employed as physicists for decades, claiming to have created free energy generators.

>>9013370

All engineers aren't dumbasses.

But if there is a dumbass preaching some retarded beliefs of his, in my group of STEM professionals it's definitely going to be an engineer.

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>>9013179
>a bit of calculus
>dumbest educated people around
Here's your (you)

>>9010721
sides gone

>>9006990
Civil engineer and math major here

>>9013179
Sauce?

>>9013846
He is full of it, firms will always hire an engineer before a physicist. This is why engineers are hated here.
Look up the joke about spherical cow/chickens. It perfectly sums up a physicist who will take forever to answer a question when the fucking answer is right in front of him.

>>9013364
>held up for over 2 years

24" what is presumable a high quality fill overlain by how thick a concrete section?

should be strong enough. gota wonder whats going to happen once you start getting infiltration into that native though... heave going to murder your road in 5 to 10 years.

cheap shitty construction folks... see it all the time.

>>9013425
>Do I need to be a good artist to become one?
No.

>>9006990
>Civil Engineering
you mean the fucbois of architects?

civil engineering is easy, we architects would do it if we werent more preocupied with more complex sublime matters you will never understand. Oh dont get me wrong, we could do your job (altough you could never do ours) we just think its beneath us, its like laying bricks. We passed that stage in our formation long long ago.

>>9014520
Architects are literally just artists with no understanding of the physics behind the structure. Architectural engineering is a thing because you guys are physics illiterate.

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>>9014520
>talking shit about anyone when you work in the construction industry

top fuckin' kek

>>9014581
>Architectural engineering is a thing because you guys are physics illiterate.

We know most of the math, but not only that, we got an intricate sense of balance and beauty, we can visually determine a strutcute to be balanced on not based on a special highly comparative intelligence derived from our god tier analytics based from artistry

having the rationals and dem poetries to get da womenzza yyaaayy for da winrrarrsss sorry i beat all over you famiboy

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>>9014604
>I draw squiggles on paper and depend on engineers to actually make things that wont fall down.

Best Civil subfield?
Also is Environmental a meme or not?

>>9014608
>im just an autist who does simple math and my job can be done by computers

Also, yes, one of my squiggles on a piece of paper is worth more than 5 years of your job. So its nice that you know your place

>>9014633
>my squiggles on a piece of paper is worth more than 5 years of your job
(citation needed)

>>9014620
>Best Civil subfield
geotechnical, while not glamorous, will always be in demand since every construction needs site specific evaluation of the subsurface conditions. I don't know if that makes it the "best", there are others that are more technically demanding.

>is Environmental a meme or not?
Environmentals that I work with help solid waste disposal operations remain compliant with state and federal regulations and earn good money in the process.

>>9014620
Environmental is a total meme.

>>9014620
>Best Civil subfield?

WATER
A
T
E
R

>>9014662
Do you work in Water Resources?
If so how is it?

>>9014620
Environmental not a meme. People don't realize that the water stuff (hello >>9014662) falls under environmental.

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Best EE subfield (jobwise)?

>>9008021
Faget

BUMB

*zzzzzzZzzzzZZZZZZZZzzzzzz.....*

>>9014633
>Also, yes, one of my squiggles on a piece of paper is worth more than 5 years of your job. So its nice that you know your place

are all architects this insecure about their complete inability to contribute anything of value?

>>9008036
The main cost of any project is always the labor to get it done, and concrete/steel is so cheap that unless you have a project as large as Trump's wall adding more concrete somewhere won't significantly impact cost nor be worth the potential for failure if you go for some complex shit to use less concrete or rebar.

>>9014620
Fuck the traditional civil subfields. I noped the fuck out and studied mechanics and FEA until I got a job in aerospace and defense.

YOU'RE AN ANGEL WITH AN AMBER HALO

>>9015195
>EE
Enjoy getting outsourced or replaced by a bot/CS major

>>9016838
Nigga thats where I wanna work
Any advice for a freshman?

>>9016838
Do you mean working as an Aeronautical Engineer or building structures doing work as a Civil Engineer for the Aeronautics and Defense Industry (like building hangars, buildings, etc.)

>>9013464

>But if there is a dumbass preaching some retarded beliefs of his, in my group of STEM professionals it's definitely going to be an engineer.

This is the most eloquent way to put it.

Physicists are usually humble. Mathematicians are apathetic or avoidant of discussing controversial topics.

Engineers are special.

>>9017150
Physicists are usually [AUTISTIC]. Mathematicians are [NIHILISTIC] or [SUICIDAL AND DONT TALK].

Engineers are [CAPABLE OF SPEAKING AND EXPRESSING THEIR OPINIONS IN A HEALTHY MANNER].


*Fixed

>>9014604
Architects are like the kids filling out coloring books

Engineers are the adult in the room that puts the stamp of approval on the finished product, because our opinion actually matters.

>>9017111
I graduated with a civil degree but I had already started diving more deeply into the theory behind mathematics, mechanics of deformable bodies, and a little coursework on FEA when people were buzzing about specialization. I got hired to look at things that go into airplanes to see if they break.

>>9016933
>> Any advice for a freshman?

A graduate degree in
Maybe a graduate degree in the topics above. I don't know how I got hired honestly. Apparently job postings from the primary defense and aerospace contractors will include even BS civils. Look around for professors that do work in computational mechanics and ask them about stuff. There's a couple of buzzwords to look for in Indeed which includes but not limited to: structural analyst, stress analyst, dynamics, etc. The big primary contractors sometimes hire smaller guys to do pieces of their work so look for try to look for those guys too.

>>9017167
>CAPABLE OF SPEAKING AND EXPRESSING THEIR OPINIONS IN A HEALTHY MANNER

You wish nigga. I gotta listen to people higher up talk all sorts of mad shit they deeply believe in and I can't say anything to them without making things awkward

>>9011413
quadratic equation is senior engineer tier math

>>9013549

>EE below ME

yeah i don't think so.

>>9008033
It's /diy/. You too can learn how to make your gas lines double as light fixtures and how to make Rapture out of shipping containers. A Darwin award is just one click away!

>>9009980
That's what the concrete is for you fuckin dumbass.

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Thots on this project

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94ZpOWroNv0

>>9017167
>Hey man I'm gonna approach you in the lockerroom and ask you about alex jones and communism and free energy stealth and the tr3b totally real area 51 shit for hours
-t. Mechanical engineers

>>9019347
All of those seem unfeasible to me... but especially the floating ones. Best bet is the ridiculous suspension bridge.

>>9019505
>All of those seem unfeasible to me
Pretty much what they have been saying for a long time, but
the project is a go, so I will happen.

Different vid if interested, covers the whole E39 project.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trwd3AhJJB0

>>9019329
They are equal. There is no y-axis. It's a weird chart.

>>9006990
/sci/ isn't civil. Faggot.

>>9014620
Best subfield is whichever one you enjoy the most because civil is extremely broad.

Environmental isn't a meme because it can emcompass multiple CivE fields, which make it broad enough. You also retain the ability to go into business with an obvious specialization.

Okay then, Which sub field out of these three carries the best employment opportunities in an area near a major city over the next 15-30 years and is least likely to be automated?

>>9020171
Forgot to add the three:
- structural
- geotechnical
- environmental

>>9006990
>civil dick sucking

>>9020173
there are current awesome software packages that make doing the actual calculations behind all three irrelevant/outdated. The trick is that the law still requires that a licensed engineer stamp those calculations generated by that software. So unless the law is changed to make it so that no engineer needs to be involved in the designs then all three are safe.

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>>9020191
>>there are current awesome software packages that make doing the actual calculations behind all three irrelevant/outdated. The trick is that the law still requires that a licensed engineer stamp those calculations generated by that software. So unless the law is changed to make it so that no engineer needs to be involved in the designs then all three are safe.

This is the sort of thinking that makes my work experience extremely frustrating. My boss constantly tell me to hurry up run this sort of unfamiliar analysis under some exotic material behavior. I don't completely know the exact physical properties behind parameters A, B, n1, n2, and the dozen other "optional" parameters that might be relevant to the analysis. There is no test data. Obscure research papers don't match values. Have almost no clue behind the numerics of the hundreds of settings that the solver lets you enable. No idea how sensitive the results are to the mesh, element types, geometry, material properties, or solution settings. The non-babby FEA theory guides and text books always dive deep into theory that's difficult to parse and dissect.
>lel just go through the tutorial

>>9020191
The fuck? How do I protect myself from automation then?

Surely.. SURELY.. software could never do the work of a geotechnical civil engineer in the next ~100 years

>>9021170
You dont

There is nothing that cant be automated.

>>9021187
What is going to happen to the economy at that point. Won't that completely remove labour as a source of income and therefore the entire "capitalist" model.

>>9021340
Indeed. We will need to plan for a post-labor society. There simply won't be enough jobs for the population. Maybe we can pay people to generate electricity for the machines like in Black Mirror.

>>9021374
Kek. I hope you were being sarcastic about the electricity idea.

But what could actually be used to determine a persons income in a post-labour society?

Could it be how well they follow laws, how much they consume, how much they need, how much they want, how educated they are, how moral they are?

And who gets to own the machines that replace the labour?

>>9021490
I was being sarcastic, but that is what happened in the show :P

All good questions tho. We will have to find a right balance to ensure a good standard of living for the jobless, while also offering enough financial incentive to keep jobs desirable. The owners of the machines... maybe they are simply given to whoever decides to get educated in the proper field to make use if it. They would become educated and compensated for it.

>>9020560
Quit being a little bitch and just slap a safety factor of 10 on everything. It'll be fine.

>>9020560
Just draw a free-body diagram, fag

Unless you want to talk complex aerospace structures, where shit gets real

>>9020560
>I don't completely know the exact physical properties behind parameters A, B, n1, n2, and the dozen other "optional" parameters that might be relevant to the analysis
Git gud, actually read the tutorial and reference manual

>There is no test data
That's a problem, get some unless it's just for college research

>Obscure research papers don't match values
Research papers are generally shit. Selected material properties for a given material can vary

>Have almost no clue behind the numerics of the hundreds of settings that the solver lets you enable
Read the tutorial and reference manual

>No idea how sensitive the results are to the mesh
Look at similar meshes, do your own convergence studies (i.e. decrease mesh size and rerun to see if values change significantly). If we're talking dynamics, element size should be at most 1/6 of a half-wavelength if the smallest wavelength you're considering, as a rule of thumb.

>element types
If it's a rod, use bar elements, if it's a beam, use beam elements. If it's a plate, use shell elements, at the mid-plane is fine. If it's something else, use 1st-order tetras while you're experimenting, and 2nd-order tetras for the final run. If you're real worried about computation time and have fairly regular features, you can go with hexes. Refine mesh near stress concentrators or anywhere the rate change of the solution is high.

>geometry
You should have an idea of what the solution will look like before you ever run a fem

>material properties
Again, you should know what material properties drive the solution before you ever run a fem. But generally, just get properties from a reputable source, and if there is none, test.

>solution settings
Read the damn tutorial and reference manual. Generally, just pick the solution you want, run a model check, then run the full thing. If it don't run or takes forever, look at memory usage. If the output file is too big, have it only write what you need.

>>9009983
Well good to hear you are happy with your life

>>9022026
>>You should have an idea of what the solution will look like before you ever run a fem

I honestly only have a slight clue what I'm doing at best and I'm being told to just run simulations. I came out of school knowing how to do simple hand calcs and linear statics FEA. Now I'm being told to analyze things like large strain/large deformation stuff, gaskets, contact, and high speed impact and everyone seems to think that just making sure the numbers you put in are right and eye balling the results to make sure they "make sense". I just want to get away from this mess.

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>>9022063
Then they're probably just giving you busy work aka training and they don't care too much about the accuracy of the results, just learn and have fun.

>large deformation
obviously, turn on the geometric non-linearity. Really though. I wouldn't mess with the stuff at a serious level without having taken a grad-level theory of plasticity course at some point

>gaskets
I'm positive they're messing with you, why would you need a fem for this?

>contact
If you're using a relatively up-to-date software, you should be able to just select surfaces as contact. Otherwise, have fun with gap elements, wew!

>high speed impact
oh lawd

>everyone seems to think that just making sure the numbers you put in are right and eye balling the results to make sure they "make sense".
Welcome to engineering, where common sense trumps any FEM or mathematical solution

ganbare

>>9008021
Fag

>>9022085
>>I'm positive they're messing with you, why would you need a fem for this?
I really don't know, but it's seems like it is a thing. I had a customer who had a supplier do an analysis on on of their designs then they asked us to do analysis on a new design they were coming up with. Most of the commercial software usually have some option to define hyperelastic material and most of the software companies try to show off demos and examples where they have special gasket elements or some adaptive remeshing capability for that stuff.

>>9017167
>engineers
>not autistic
no
.t Aerospace Engineer

>>9019505
engineering nigga
the bigger the thing, the more dickwaving potential it brings
it's why there's so many businesses going into space shit, despite the complete absence of short term profit up there

>>9022105
>most of the software companies try to show off demos and examples where they have special gasket elements
Yeah, they like to show stuff off, but based on the number of basic fucking errors I've seen in reputable software packages, I prefer to stay away from stuff that hasn't gone through a couple of updates

But ok. Is the gasket analysis the goal? Do you model the mating parts with worst-case-scenario tolerances, apply a set pressure, and look at stresses in the gasket? I'm curious desu

>>9022130
Tb.h, the only reason I went for aerospace instead of computer engineering was because planes are big. It makes my dick happy

>>9015195
Optics, Nanotech & Solid State require PhD so pay more

Power engineering is the least paid.
(except Nuclear Power)


Other fields are:
Radio / Waves / Telecom
Controls / Automation / Robotics
Computer Hardware / Electronics
Signals / Instrumentation

etc

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>>9022139
BIG JETS BURNIN

>>9022133
>>But ok. Is the gasket analysis the goal? Do you model the mating parts with worst-case-scenario tolerances, apply a set pressure, and look at stresses in the gasket? I'm curious desu

What we did or what I was ordered to do was to model a 2d cross section of the gasket, model a rigid surface and apply displacement condition and see how the gasket deformed to check for things like how it seals or when the gasket starts to crinkle and do some sort of self-contacting stuff.

>>9022274
Makes a bit more sense

ganbare

>>9022026
>read the tutorial and reference manual

What's this?

>>9022747
Most FEM packages should come with a tutorial (i.e. here's how you model, mesh, etc) and a reference manual, like a glossary of all the element types and control options available, along with other detailed info

>>9014604
shut your fucking mouth.
if you took trig based physics you don't even understand static equilibrium
the rest is metaphysical
kill yourself

>>9014604
let's see some of your projects, along with structural analysis. I want to see your boxy subhuman building, then I want u cr*cified

>>9014604
anyways, I bet u think wood doesn't grow on trees
but wen ur looking at trees that's wen u git wood

>>9006990
Because you can't talk about civil engineering if you don't have an academic background in civil engineering or some related field.

Meanwhile you can talk about various topics of physics in the typical superficial level on /sci/ just with reading some articles in a non science magazine.

Myself work in the aerospace industry and there are many civil engineers/structural engineers doing top level structural analysis. I rate that field pretty high.

What would you recommend from the last ones though?

>>9022200
What would recommend from the last ones?