if retrovirus like HIV can only be transmitted through humans.

>>8951972
Feelings
that's honestly it

Leper colonies didn't root out leprosy.

This is a great idea, mainly because I have had it too. It would work. If all people were rational and went voluntarily it would be great. All people are not rational.
Best we can do is only sleep with people we trust. Unfortunately for most people this excludes all possible mates.

>>8951972
because it would be a logistical nightmare that would never work
>>8951979
I remember when I was 14

>>8952008
well ok here is another idea
what if we make an HIV database where you pay 30$ to access a month and you simply look for the person you want to have sex with. if that person is infected it will show in the database.
the subscription fee wil go to funding medicine for HIV patients

>>8951972
making something illegal (e.g. it being illegal to continue to live your life in your city after contracting AIDS) only drives it underground.
All of a sudden there is an incentive to keep it a secret, to not even get tested. Those who have it will then live in fear, with a reduced quality of life. Seeking treatment will be difficult to impossible and prohibitively expensive except for the most wealthy, and even then is a risk because it may uncover your secret. Some of them will continue to spread it, as they will be too scared to tell their sexual partners, out of fear of deportation.

etc, etc

tl;dr
Making things illegal doesn't make them go away it just drives them underground and makes many facets of the problem much worse

You put them in California yet nothing has happened but an AIDS outbreak. Queers...

>>8951972
The cult of (((human rights))) strikes again.

>>8951972
Because they're gonna keep having aids babies.

>>8951972
Good luck identifying every single person with AIDs

Why not just kill them?

>>8952034
Sexual transmission of HIV is 0% for oral <0.01% for vaginal <0.03% for anal. The contamination is 99.99% due to drug addicts and blood receiving. Sex is not the problem here if you get HIV from sex you are truly unlucky. Plus HIV patients tend to live a good and long life as the medical expense for their drugs gets cheaper. So no need for radical measures. Just wear condoms, dont do iv drugs and you are good to go.

>>8953033
Do those values for sexual transmission already account for promiscuity?

This was proposed in the 80s I believe when the number of holders was still pretty small but then >>8951979

>>8953033
im not talking about sex in particular, im talking about birth. do you really think that tens of millions got infected by aids ridden needles?

>>8953049
And making an AIDS city will stop those births how...?

>>8953052
i completely aborted the idea of AIDS city
i suggested to make an HIV database where you pay a subscribtion fee to log in and the money from the subscription goes to aids treatment and research

its the perfect middle road and it offers an incredible solution for both sides

>>8953041

There's a reason AIDS was called a "gay disease".

There's a substantial percentage of homosexuals who've had 3 and 4 digit partner counts. Masculine sexuality + masculine sexuality = most sexuality.

>>8951972
You want to breed super aids? Because that's what you would do breeding aids people together.

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People with AIDS already know not to spread it. It's the people who don't know that are the problem. So you would need to scan fucking everyone in a population all the time to keep it contained.

It is much more efficient to simply make everyone wear condoms.

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>>8951988
Are you sure about that? Leprosy is pretty much extinct these days.

>>8951972
people in general are stupid/illogical, "muh emotions" get in the way of things

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>>8953072
You are forgetting that anal sex is much more dirty and dangerous than vaginal sex. The lack of lube and the odd shard of hardened shit makes it much more likely that skin or the colon will be broken and infected fluids will enter the bloodstream of both the giver and taker.

>>8953072
>substantial percentage with 4 digit partner counts
the fuck kind of dude has over 1,000 people he's sex'd

>>8953194
>It is much more efficient to simply make everyone wear condoms.

then why we have 36 million infected?
how many gay heroin addicts can you count

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>>8951972
<- That's what this guy did.

You're not a communist, are you?

ARE YOU!?

>>8953072
>There's a substantial percentage of homosexuals who've had 3 and 4 digit partner counts.
They only "studies" that support that are from laughable "pray the gay away" groups.

>>8953215
One who fucks other dudes.

>>8952040
Mandate yearly blood tests. Failure to comply results in execution to be carried out for a bounty by any licensed bounty killer.

Because it's an inhuman way to treat your fellow human being. Transmission is easy to prevent. Treatment is available and it effectively controls progression of AIDS. If medication is administered quickly enough
after exposure it completely eliminates the HIV infection in like 90% of cases.

>>8953197
Because of treatment, not social isolation. My country still has some of these colonies left. Most people there got their medication and were cured but ended up remaining in the colony because it turned into some kind of tribe for them.

>>8951979
Funny that you people think this, since most posts in this thread are essentially "oh wow a bad disease let's ostracize these people and if they refuse to get tested we'll execute them"

You people think you're rational but you're just good at rationalizing your feelings.

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>>8953033

The actual numbers are total bullshit.
Oral: negligible unless one or both partners has open sores, warts or contact is made with menstrual blood.
Vaginal sex: .04%
Anal sex: 1.43%

These numbers assume your partner knows they are infected and is receiving proper treatment in a first world country. Risks are four times higher when having sex with someone who is not receiving treatment.

Acute infection (about 12 weeks after first contracting the disease) increases your risk by 26 times. Many people are unaware they are even infected at this point.

Other STIs can increase risk such as active herpes sores in either partner will increase risk by about 8 times or by 30 times if both parties are infected.

You are clearly a poz'd fagot who is spreading dissinfo putting lives at risk and you need to be shot because the bullshit you are spreading can kill.

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/library/

>>8953109
Just tell them they are going to fag paradise but when the plane lands you just kill them all.

>>8953352
>You people think you're rational but you're just good at rationalizing your feelings.
That sums up like 75% of the garbage that's posted on /sci/.

>>8953368
And when it's about health care that might as well be 95% of posts. It's especially funny because /sci/ thinks doctors are dumb people who can't math their way out of a paper bag.

>>8953368
with all that stuff aside. if we want to treat aids patients as equals they need to fill in their share of the deal.

there should be no citizens walking around with something deadly as HIV inside them when others don't know about it. a person who carries HIV is basically a weapon.
this is why i suggest the database, which helps both HIV patients and actual people that don't want to get infected

>>8953403
>if we want to treat aids patients as equals they need to fill in their share of the deal.
How can you even type something like this out without noticing how utterly stupid it is?

>there should be no citizens walking around with something deadly as HIV inside them when others don't know about it.
Too bad, that's going to be the case regardless of what you do.

>this is why i suggest the database,
Then people just won't put their names into the database.

If you want to address AIDS, you will need the co-operation of people who are suffering from it. That basically requires you don't try to do stuff that will fuck them over, like putting their names in a public database or locking them up in camps. Otherwise people just won't get tested, and If they know they're infected they'll keep it a secret - making the problem worse.

>>8953409
this is how i see it: if you are an HIV patient and the government doesn't know. for me its the same as a civilian with illegal firearm.

now you tell me who has to comply

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>>8953403
>there should be no citizens walking around with something deadly as HIV inside them

It's not HIV that kills you, it's the opportunistic infections people contract after they develop AIDS. Without several rounds of laboratory testing, people will simply not know they're HIV+ until years after exposure. They will literally remain asymptomatic for years before anything that even remotely resembles AIDS starts presenting itself.

>when others don't know about it.

Even if someone knows they have HIV, they are not obligated to inform you of that fact.

In my country you're actually forbidden from testing anybody for HIV without their express permission, or even asking them about it in something like a job interview. The reason people passed this law is because of uneducated, prejudiced individuals such as yourself who would discriminate against sick people at the earliest opportunity.

>a person who carries HIV is basically a weapon.

This is the kind of idiotic statement that proves how dumb /sci/ is. HIV isn't gonna jump out at you. Last time I checked people don't fuck or get blood transfusions from random people off the street.

>this is why i suggest the database, which helps both HIV patients and actual people that don't want to get infected

Do you know about the silly sex offender database the USA has? You can earn a lifetime registration in that list for the most idiotic of reasons even if you were just a teenager doing stupid shit. In the future people will instantly assume you're a child molester.

Public lists only help prejudiced idiots who want to pass quick & easy judgement on people they never met without needing even a slight understanding of the problem.

>>8953433
>Last time I checked people don't fuck or get blood transfusions from random people off the street.

i sort of accept your argument but
an hiv infected guys can bomb the blood bank. that's what im saying.
im not saying its prone to happen, im not saying it will happen soon. but HIV is not a virus where you can easily detect so its like ricin in a sense

>>8953433
>people don't fuck... random people off the street.

Never heard of grinder?

>>8953434
>an hiv infected guys can bomb the blood bank. that's what im saying.
????????????

>>8953434
>an hiv infected guys can bomb the blood bank.

wat

>that's what im saying.

Assuming you meant they can donate HIV+ blood.

Doctors don't transfuse random blood into patients either. They test the blood for diseases before it's approved for transfusion. HIV is certainly on the list.

>HIV is not a virus where you can easily detect so its like ricin in a sense

A cheap, highly-sensitive, quick HIV test takes 5-10 minutes to do and only requires a drop of blood. I've done many such tests in routine primary care and pre-natal care. If the result is negative you can be reasonably sure you don't have HIV. If it comes back positive, you follow up with specific tests to confirm the diagnosis.

When people know they have HIV, they're likely to seek treatment. If they take antiretroviral medication correctly, they will extend the latent period of the disease and remain healthy for a very long time. It will also pretty much eliminate their transmission of HIV.

https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/testing/

It's also absolutely nothing like ricin. It's not a poison, it doesn't kill you and it will take years to completely take out your immune system.

>>8953435
Condoms exist.

>>8953352
Shitty feelings at that. People could just stop being sluts and that would solve the problem too, but then it's not their feelings, but their childish wants.

>>8953454
They can't even argue that they contracted HIV because of muh need fuck strangers. The fact is people can be promiscuous and use protection at the same time. Barrier type birth control methods protect against sexually transmissible diseases, HIV included.

The risk of HIV infection during unprotected sex exists but is small if compared to sharing needles. People can literally put on a condom and be reasonably sure that the risk of HIV infection is so low as to be negligible.

Sometimes I wonder if 4chan virgins have even seen a condom

>>8952003
>Best we can do is only sleep with people we trust. Unfortunately for most people this excludes all possible mates.


lol

>>8951972
ITT OP argues for his infectious disease version of his eugenics program

>>8953448
>When people know they have HIV, they're likely to seek treatment.

you don't know if you have HIV because there is no such thing as HIV symptoms. you should read about its mechanisms first.

>wat

>HIV infected guy works at the blood bank
>shoots up some HIV into blood deposits
>100% infection rate on all patients

if we weren't sleeping on the problem like we are doing now. we wouldn't have 36 million infected.
you don't even argue a different solution, you just say muh condoms but we still have a continent worth of people infected with HIV

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>>8953072
>tfw not even in two digits
Jesus fuck

>>8953433
There's always someone getting infected with HIV blood in hospitals because people are fucking incompetent though. Not refuting your point, but still something to consider

>>8953477
Do you even know how blood banks work

>>8953477
>you don't know if you have HIV because there is no such thing as HIV symptoms

But there is such a thing called laboratory testing for HIV. You know, the subject of the paragraph that precedes the one you quoted. When people get tested for HIV, they receive a test result. Coupled with clinical evaluation by a healthcare professional, the test results become a diagnosis, which has the nice effect of informing people about whether they do or don't have HIV. The diagnosis also comes pre-packaged with information about prevention or treatment options.

>>HIV infected guy works at the blood bank
>>shoots up some HIV into blood deposits
>>100% infection rate on all patients

Healthcare professionals aren't waiters who spit in your food out of spite. It's time to stop posting and check yourself into a mental institution before your paranoia makes you hurt or kill innocent people.

>if we weren't sleeping on the problem

Actual scientists (the real kind, not /sci/ kind) are constantly researching HIV. You can verify this by checking any reputable journal. If you're even aware there is such a thing.

>you don't even argue a different solution

I don't need to "argue" in favor of a different solution. That implies I set out to convince you specifically. Last time I checked you're not in charge of public health policy, so your idiocy won't impact an entire country's worth of people. There's no need for me to argue about anything with you.

I'm posting here for the benefit of other people. The only thing I did was explain the extremely simple & effective prevention and treatment options we have today, as well as basic facts about HIV and AIDS to dispel the mist of prejudice you kept casting.

>>8953487
>always

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5941a3.htm

>This report describes the first U.S. case of transfusion-transmitted HIV infection reported to CDC since 2002
>2010 article
>once in 8 years

>>8953250

And there's been studies on HIV positive patients where the self-reportage expresses 3-digit partner counts as an average.

If it makes you sleep at night, lesbians have the least sex out of any binary gender pairing. And the most spousal abuse.

>>8953487
Also, these things happen because of statistics, not incompetence. There is no perfect test. Even the most sensitive HIV tests are only like 95% sensitive. There is a small chance of false negatives.

>>8953494
http://www.nytimes.com/1993/06/06/weekinreview/aids-and-a-dentist-s-secrets.html?pagewanted=all

>>8953494
>But there is such a thing called laboratory testing for HIV

but that's not my point, have you ever been to the doctor? usually when you fever or something you get like 9 referrals until they might conceive you have HIV. i believe that in most cases they won't even bother checking because there are thousands of illness that comes with fever and shaking and doctors are always looking for the thing that makes the most sense first

>Healthcare professionals aren't waiters who spit in your food out of spite.

im not paranoid, its reality. if i told you 50 years ago that there is this thing called HIV and there are millions of infected you would laugh at my face.

>researching HIV
you can only inhibit the receptors of bloodcells, but you can't really fight the virus itself. you can't vaccinate for HIV

>>8953507
>The Federal General Accounting Office, which looked into the case at Congress's request, has said that "no good evidence suggests that the dentist deliberately infected his patients."

Great smear campaign you have there.

>Investigators said Dr. Acer did not always sterilize his equipment but that he was no more sloppy than other dentists in the area.

That's the most problematic part of the article. Failure to follow biological security procedures is gross negligence. Other dentists in the area probably didn't have HIV.

>Before Miss Bergalis died at age 23, she and her family waged a crusade for laws mandating that all medical workers get AIDS tests and be forced to tell their patients if they were infected. Her father, George, argued that "someone who has AIDS and continues to practice is nothing better than a murderer."

I didn't know that someone could be an even bigger idiot than OP is.

>>8953512
>but that's not my point, have you ever been to the doctor?

I literally told you I'm a healthcare professional a couple posts ago. HIV tests are part of a routine STD panel as well as standard in pre-natal care.

>im not paranoid
>Delusions are false beliefs based on incorrect inference about external reality that persist despite the evidence to the contrary and these beliefs are not ordinarily accepted by other members of the person's culture or subculture.

>you can only inhibit the receptors of bloodcells, but you can't really fight the virus itself.

What is antiretroviral drugs

you can't vaccinate for HIV

"Can't" is a pretty big word here. Plenty of research is about developing vaccines.

>>8953507
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_J._Acer

>Greenhill told the Palm Beach Post that she had wanted him to autoclave his dental instruments, though he did routinely steam clean them
>She told the paper that Acer did not make any extra effort towards the enforcement of universal precautions
>despite CIGNA'S procedural manual for dentists covered this very subject
>which included the use of masks and gloves while treating patients. Acer used neither
>this was overlooked by CIGNA's dental director, who regularly visited Acer's practice

If this is true, then it's gross negligence. This specific dentist neglected to take measures that would protect his patients from his own infection.

If you look at this and conclude that "someone who has AIDS and continues to practice is nothing better than a murderer" then thank god you're not the one in charge of the country.

>>8953522
well you might look at things from a different perspective.
if you really wanna argue ethics then its not too bad if i want HIV patients to not reproduce. after all we legally allow people to abort children, oh and we we give 10 year old kids ssri and amphetamines.
so yeah im saying we don't have time for consensus, we need to be more corrective

>>8953194
>People with AIDS already know not to spread it.
You realise it was a necessary measure in South Africa to make it so that raping someone when you know you have HIV counts as a murder charge? Hell, there's a myth that's still widely believed that raping a virgin will cure you of the disease.

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>>8953512
You do realize that the article was published in 1993.

Rules about forced quarantine are some of the oldest we have as a society, going back before the founding of the nation.

Aids is a biological weapon that has been used to kill in countless occasions.

Your just a fucking fagot who deserves to be shot to rid the earth of your aids.

But honestly I don't really care. Aids kills the degenerate, I just hope it continues to gain immunity to the treatments you throw at it. Soon all the fudge packers and niggers will die.

You do know that Clinton foundation conspired with producers of aids medication to jack up rates in america to pad there pockets (and the clintons coffers). Treatment that costs ~$200 per year to produce costs Americans $36,000 per year. Meanwhile they give this shit away like candy in Africa to boost the nigger population.

In america our total fertility rate is 1.87, and that's including all the minorities and immigrants that shit out babies like a pez dispenser. Half of Affrica is over 5.

So yeah, let all the liberals and fagots get aids, then cut off the supply to meds and we won't even need the day of the rope. Most people who have it deserve to die for there degenerate ways anyhow. Not like we cant afford to purge hemophilia out of our gene pool anyhow.

>>8953549
>if you really wanna argue ethics

I'm not arguing ethics. Where the hell did you get that idea.

>then its not too bad if i want HIV patients to not reproduce.

It is too bad. Too bad for you, not them. It shows how stupid and uneducated you are.

Given proper treatment it's possible for HIV+ mothers to gestate a completely healthy fetus. There's a reason pre-natal care includes tests for HIV: it's because we can treat the HIV+ mother and newborn. What's the point of testing if you can't do anything with the results?

>we legally allow people to abort children

My country doesn't allow abortion in the general case -- only in case of anencephaly and rape. This isn't an argument since it's an open ended question people have debated for centuries with no real answer in sight.

>we we give 10 year old kids ssri and amphetamines

Antidepressants and stimulants are well-researched and have proved to be quite safe even in children. If the benefits outweigh the risks there is no reason not to use them.

>>8953550
That's cringe-worthy.

>>8953555
>>>/pol/

>>8953577
Ampetemines suck, long term. Kids put on them since kindergarden will have no ability to focus without the drugs in adulthood. And most of them don't get them perscribed in adult hood.

>>8953352
>inhuman way to treat fellow human beings
As is being an HIV infected person who is willingly being promiscuous with uninfected. If they just didn't fuck or only fucked amongst themselves the disease would be gone in a generation.

That's how leprosy and probably all kinds of other nasty shit was solved.
We can't though it's not humane so you better enjoy that thick poz load.

>>8953596
ADHD affects adults too. By the time adults get diagnosed they've already developed coping mechanisms of variable efficacy. Treatment with ritalin or amphetamines are safe and highly effective and dramatically improve quality of life for patients. They do cause some dependence but that just means you can't stop using them abruptly. You have to gradually lower the dosage instead. The biggest concern is the increased cardiovascular risk associated with stimulants. There is no problem with using these things under medical supervision.

I would bet that if doctors don't prescribe proper treatments it's because the USA government goes apeshit when it comes to controlled substances. Even when it's medically warranted they feel the need to butt in and start claiming it's "excessive" or whatever as if you were a drug trafficker with an M.D. Nobody wants to deal with these faggots and the patients miss out because of it.

>>8953609
Or they could get treatment, which reduces transmission risk by 96%, and then use a condom.

>>8953611
>solved

More like contained, and even that is stretching it.

>>8953628
never seen a leper in my life. how about you stretching fag?

>>8953577
>That's cringe-worthy
I'm not sure what your meaning is here. It's my first post in the thread and I merely meant to show that it is not adequate to rely on self-regulation by HIV positive individuals, at least in my own country. The combined epidemics of rape and HIV here are no joke and it is definitely not feasible to say that infected persons should just be responsible about it. I agree that a leper colony or a register is a stupid idea, but then what is the short-term solution for my country? I know better education could fix the problem but South African education has been steadily getting worse for a long time now. So we just have to sit on our hands and wait for a cure?

>>8953577
generally speaking you are right. but since it blocks the dopamine receptors (to release more) you must always up the dosage because of tolerance and that's not a good thing since you have really nasty ssri withrawals and who knows what else (just read the side effects on the lable)
generally speaking doctors should be extra careful with that shit

>>8953577
>muh beautiful human rights
kys brainlet

>>8951972
Give give people condoms FFS

>>8951972
>giant prison for sick people
>thousands of guards
>thousands of service personal
>billions of dollars of infrastructure
How about no

>>8953629
>I'm an uneducated shut-in

You people literally think damage control is the same thing as cure. Quarantining does absolutely nothing for the sick people, it just slows down the spread of an infectious disease. Leprosy was "solved" with antibiotics, not isolation.

>>8953640
I just thought the whole murder charge and rape of virgins thing was disturbing.

>>8953641
Tolerance is a product of neuroadaptation to toxic neurotransmitter concentrations. There are too many neurotransmitters, so the post-synaptic neuron destroys some of its receptors in order to maintain the same response. When the drug wears off, neurotransmitter concentration goes back to normal but neurotransmission is impaired because there are less receptors now. Tolerance happens with drugs that provoke explosive release of high concentrations of neurotransmitters. This is also associated with the administration route; how quickly the drug enters the brain.

Prescription stimulants are safer because they avoid all of the above. Drugs like lisdexamphetamine are designed for slow, all-day release; a much healthier stimulation profile if compared to your illegal street drugs.

>>8953649
Did I hurt your feelings

>>8953640
The solution is to stop worrying about others and start taking responsibility for your own health.

You can choose to use protection when you have sex. You can choose not to use drugs. You can choose not to share needles.

HIV isn't going to seek you out and rape you in your sleep.

>>8953683
i don't think anyone here genuinely afraid of infection.
but whats scary is how apathic we are to the fact that people who carry deadly viruses are not inspected/tracked in the minimum

>>8953671
yes you're so stupid it's offensive. be proud of that

>>8953689
>i don't think anyone here genuinely afraid of infection.

You people literally made a thread about casting away HIV+ people as if it was the scourge of god
You'd prefer if they all just died already so you can sleep better at night
You keep trying to frame this thread as some kind of selfless attempt to protect society from these evil HIV+ homosexuals
It's really about you & your /pol/ friends being unable to deal with it and deciding to use final solution

>but whats scary is how apathic we are to the fact that people who carry deadly viruses are not inspected/tracked in the minimum

They do actually. It's called "medicine" and is the domain of "doctors". They "inspect" people via questioning, physical examination and complementary testing. They "track" people via medical history, which is confidential information by the way.

Unlike your pathetic damage control proposal, medicine actually helps the sick and by extension society. It's called health care for a reason: people actually get paid to care about other people's health. There's stark contrast between medics, who care about other people, and people like you who don't give a single fuck about the well-being of the HIV+ and would rather they all just disappeared or died.

That's what your stupid thread is about. "Hey guys let's rationalize to each other our fear of AIDS! God why don't they just die already, that'd solve everything"

It's not society that's apathic, it's you kiddo

>>8953701
Show me on the doll where the offense touched you

>>8953197
I think his point was that leper colonies did not reduce leprosy. I do not know anything about this but I guess it could be medical progress and medication.

>>8951972
>put all AIDS patients in AIDS city?

Literally too many people have HIV/AIDS. You might as well become a time stopping ultra being and prick all of them with clostridium botulinum .

Either that or beam them up to a giant space freighter and send it towards the sun.

There is a problem though: There exists a virus far more worse than HIV/AIDS.

>>8953738
What are you talking about?

>>8951988
leprosy is carried and spread by other species as well as humans, so it's not entirely comparable

>>8953245
even a compulsive liar can tell the truth accidentally
fuck commies tho

>>8953033
hope you get aids some day and die for spreading this blatant misinformation

>>8953215
gay dudes
this is pretty well-documented

>>8953194
>People with AIDS already know not to spread it.
Go look up bugchasers and lose all faith in humanity.

>>8953683
But that's the point, people here in many cases cannot protect themselves from HIV by any method other than violence because HIV carriers literally do seek people out and rape them in their sleep.
>>8953671
>I just thought the whole murder charge and rape of virgins thing was disturbing
Ah ok. Yeah, if you're looking for a real rape culture , come to South Africa.
http://news.sky.com/story/shocking-attitudes-to-rape-in-south-africa-10433820
This isn't some KKK site, this is Sky News.

>>8951972
Virus...
Why can't we make a vaccine?

>>8953832

RV 144, or the Thai trial, is the name of an HIV vaccine clinical trial combining two vaccines that failed on their own, vaccinating in Thailand over the course of 24 weeks in October 2003 then testing for HIV until July 2006 [2], publicly releasing efficacy findings in September 2009. The initial report shows that the rate of HIV infection among volunteers who received the experimental vaccine was 31% lower than the rate of HIV infection in volunteers who received the placebo.[1][2]

>>8953837
>Clone Organs
>Pump blood through them
>Vaccine
>Infect with HIV
>Infect with flu
>Does it die?
>If no = cure
>If yes = try again

>>8952003
>All people are not rational.
There is currently a debate in my country on whether PrEP, some medicine that prevents catching and spreading HIV, should be compensated by basic healthcare. There's apparently a lot of people who would take that pill if it were free, yet refuse to use condoms. So they realize perfectly well they're at risk of getting AIDS, but they'd rather get AIDS than use a condom.
So yeah not all people are rational.

>>8953215
If you go to gay parties every weekend and fuck a random person, you'll get there in a few years.

>>8953426
>for me

Horrible analogy. All things aside a person with an illegal firearm is no more dangerous than a person with a legal firearm of the same caliber

>>8953434
Ok this has gone long enough. You have proven yourself to be either underage or in severe disconnect with cultural and social intelligence

>>8953352
>Because it's an inhuman way to treat your fellow human being.

Pretty sure it's a lot more inhuman to allow a disease to exist and therefor guaranteeing the needless infection of future people because you didn't like the way a decision made you feel right now

You think you're enlightened but you're stuck in the stone age with the other animals, unable to see where truth and morality actually intersect.

Why can't people act objectively.

>>8953660
This. For all you >kys moral fags

>>8951972
fuck off retard

i will literally try to kill you if you try doing that to aids patients in my country

5% pleasure
50% pain

>>8953892
assuming we know everyone who has aids
aids patients have families and friends you moron
how are you going to enforce your little fascist morals when they disobey - not to mention that a lot of freedom loving people will disobey too

freedom is more important than safety in this situation

>>8953912
>the cult of human rights is more important than mankind or the planet
fuck you and your religion

>>8951972
Because for a start, it is not possible to round up every person with HIV/AIDS, segregate them into a single city, cut research funding (because with this mind set, the problem is mostly 'solved') and expect the world to be a better place for it. We can treat HIV to the point where the infected are non-infectious even during unprotected sex, we are even making huge steps to curing it outright, but what is much more difficult to rid the world of is inhumanity on the level you are talking about.

In short, if we are discussing the best approach to increasing global human wellbeing, cultivating inhumanity and social segregation is the opposite of a solution. You might enjoy /r9k/ a little more than /sco/, such notions masquerade as 'rational' all day there and no one notices anything amiss in the reasoning.

>>8951972
>eliminate the problem
It's generally only a problem if you're a degenerate., therefore not a problem in my book.

>>8951972
They did actually try that in Cuba, though I don't know the result. But there were a lot of complaints about the human rights violation. And with good reason – AIDS is not very contagious, so why should people be quarantined as if it were?

Also, in practice what you're suggesting would be very highly counterproductive, as it would discourage people from getting tested and treated for AIDS, so it would end up being spread faster.

We do indeed have a chance to eliminate the problem for good, by doing what we (in western countries at least) already are.

I think curing HIV/AIDS isn't really what OP wants; instead he wants those he deem degenerate - druggies, homosexuals, promiscuous people - to be identified, rounded up, and seperated indefinitely from the rest of society and perhaps even killed.

>>8953061
>releasing patients confidential medical records to the general public is a sensible, middle of the road solution
Nice try, shlomo

>>8954087
What's wrong with that?
Bonus points if you don't invoke your religion.

>>8954087
No fucking shit.
That's been the transparently obvious goal of every "why don't we just solve AIDS for good?" proponent ever.
Why would OP be any different?

Not feasible. Huge project that would require millions of people to be displaced over the course of their whole lives, countless different working together and a single case lost could spread the virus again. Stupid idea.

Medication prevents spread. It's already been proven that countries with AIDS programs that provide the meds for patients have reduced costs derived from treatment of complications that make these programs cost efficient, i. e, cheaper to treat than not to treat.

Furthermore, current medication has already turned HIV into a chronic disease that can be managed and guarantee the infected a good life.

If you don't know shit about public health, you really shouldn't talk about it.

>>8953049
There are two groups who are infected through Sex:

Homosexuals:

Because anal sex without lube is much more likely to result in bleeding in the anus or dick and thus the disease can spread.

Africans:

Because in Black Africa sleeping with a women that is wet is considered gay and disgusting. So similar to the gay community small wounds are much, much more likely to appear and thus the disease can spread.

>>8954131
>Because in Black Africa sleeping with a women that is wet is considered gay and disgusting.
is this a joke? what's your source?

>>8954146
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2862413/The-horrific-practice-putting-women-increased-risk-HIV-African-Indonesian-women-dry-vaginas-sand-bleach-make-sex-pleasurable-men.html

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>>8953484
>Not even in the single digits
Well at least I have math

>>8954105
>>>/pol/

>>8953832
CRISPR seems promising.

>>8954149
did you really just cite the daily mail as a source?

>leprosy
Pretty terrifying because it's very slow to progress because the bacterium that causes it divides once every 15-20 hours (in comparison, E. coli takes about 20 minutes) depending on the data you want to believe. The scariest thing is that we actually don't know a lot about it.
Antibiotics help but it's usually a long course (we are talking 2+ years) and people tend to think that when they show no symptoms they're cured which is false and facilities drug resistance.

I think an extreme drug resistant strain similar to its relative, XDR TB, will cause hysteria in hospitals in developing countries one day.

the vast majority of aids patients are in Africa and they can fucking stay there

>>8953641
>since it blocks the dopamine receptors
NDRIs block the norepinephrine and dopamine -transporters,- mate. It's in the name, "reuptake inhibitor."
>I can't identity the biological target of drug x but I'm an authority on its use and risks

>>8954105
>what's wrong with my dogmatic religion?
>bonus points if you refute it without actually relying on a different, non-approved, contrary value system or contrary ethical framework, all of which I a priori deem "religion" and therefore invalid
>my own spooky emotional bullshit is purely objective, but any/all opposition to or disagreement with it is certainly "religious" and the work of a "cult"

>lol human rights are just feelings and these feelings are invalid and worthless because my feelings say so

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I've never understood the hype about AIDS...

There are dozens of STD's, some of which are deadly without immediate treatment, a few of which drive you insane, and almost all of which are much more communicable and highly prevalent in the heterosexual community, all of which have been with us for a whole lot longer.

...And there's the one thing that even non "degenerates" have to worry about, and the gays don't have to worry about at all, a condition that's likely going to have effects for your entire life and possibly hundreds or even thousands of people beyond you, even after you're dead, and it's the most common outcome... Namely: pregnancy.

I mean, trust me, I'm old enough to know this, being stuck on AZT for the rest of your life is a hell of a lot less problematic than a child (or indeed, half of those other diseases, for that matter - none of which we talk about quarantining folks for).

AIDS is just way overrated.

>>8954575
Can you envision any scenario where violating human rights might be necessary and/or moral?
No?
Hence why it is a cult and a religion and you should kys.

>>8954093
>I don't want people to know I'm walking around with an infectious disease with no cure that can lead to death without proper treatment
There's a point where the right to privacy ends.

>>8953892
>allowing the disease to exist
>more inhuman

No it isn't you dumb mentally retarded cunt. God damn you people are fucking stupid. You're beyond stupid. You literally think killing off a productive, tax-paying, economy-contributing part of society is better than simply giving cheap ass medication to people who need it and teaching the healthy how to prevent infection, the cheapest measure of all. We're talking about a virus for which we already have reasonably effective treatment that allows people to lead normal lives, and preventing new infections is easy. There's absolutely no reason to waste time and money killing off or casting away perfectly good people. God damn what did they do to you when you were a kid that made you THIS fucking stupid? Did they rape you in the mindhole? Scramble up your brain matter? There's no explanation for this idiocy. It's so fucking tiresome. You're "pretty sure" huh? Yeah I'm "pretty sure" you're a retard. Please run for poltical office so that we can identify who you are and assassinate the fuck out of you

>>8954587
Because people would totally trust doctors with their intimate secrets if they knew they'd end up in a public database of sick and contagious people. God damn you tyrants are beyond retarded. You take retard to a new level of stupid. I guess this is why you people circlejerk around IQ all day long, it's a sour grapes kinda thing, you worship what you can't have.

>>8954739
K.

>>8954543
>>8954123
>tfw this thread is just a bunch of clueless people posting their hot opinions and getting told

i'd say they're the ones who need to be killed off

>>8954725
if you look at the number of infected worldwide you can sort of tell that 50 years of muh condoms didn't work.
so please don't preach about safety and medication when we have done absolutely nothing to stop it from spreading. all we did was slapping people on the wrist

>>8953890
im saying "illegal firearm" because you can can anonymously infected

>>8953891
ok, keep making demeaning comments

>>8954810
>if you look at the number of infected worldwide you can sort of tell that 50 years of muh condoms didn't work.
Actually, the AIDS infection rates have been go no where but down, except in nations that have made condoms illegal - largely because the US started violating its constitution, giving religious charities in Africa cash directly, and they in turn became so powerful as to have political dominance, and started making such demands under threat of removing their support. Thus, in many of those nations, condoms are either extremely expensive, or outright illegal to sell.

Not that AIDS isn't a disease blown out of all proportion. It makes up about 2% of the world's STD related deaths. (Considerably less than that, if you add in deaths related to complications from pregnancy.)

>>8954810
>it's illegal to have a disease and not tell people about it

>>8951972
Oh wow, you invented quarantining! Good job!

>>8951979
>>8952047
>>8953206
Look at all these brainlets who think that people with AIDS aren't ostracized because of "muh feels". Kek
If you can't understand the consequences of isolating a bunch of people like that, you shouldn't really be on /sci/.

>>8955408
>don't question my religion please that triggers me
lmao fag

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>>8951979

>autism

>>8953770

Why dont you prove him wrong?

The burden of proof is on you.

And people laugh when I say amerigoys are the goyest goys to ever goy in goyland
Pharma mafia, search it

>>8955425
Except that doesn't. I just won't bother explaning the obvious here.

>>8955430
someone already did; read the thread

>burden of proof meme
nice deflection

>>8955462

Ah so you cant prove him wrong.

Nice, thanks for letting everybody know.

What a joke....

>>8955467
saying things doesn't make them true, honey

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cringe

>>8953770
He's right and ur dum

>>8955555
>heh don't worry guys hiv doesn't spread through sex it's not a big deal at all ;^)
>meanwhile, Africa and Southeast Asia and San Francisco
you're really actuating my neutrinos

>>8954580
Are you being retarded on purpose?
That depends entirely on how we define "moral," and as such is merely a means of begging the question against moral systems counter to your own, again, because of your feefees. None of what you're asserting here is anywhere near rigorous.
>>8954587
"Best practices" in healthcare and scientific research are pragmatic and utilitarian, mate. You need certain things like public trust in the system, its professionals, and its ability to produce quality results, patient compliance, etc., for the system to function properly in the first place.
Do you really think professors don't let you cheat on exams because of their feelings? It's because, should the reputation that school X's Y department tolerates cheating spread, all degrees from that school become suspect and worth less, to the detriment of every graduate of X, the school's interests, the department itself, and to a lesser extent every college graduate if enough places do it for it to seem unconstrained to one school but a fact of higher education in general.
Similarly, as people have mentioned, revealing personal information undermines patient trust and goes against their autonomy and best interests/wishes, and as a result, would undermine public/patient trust in the system and patient compliance, leading to inefficiency. Have you ever stopped to consider why scientists, the most dispassionate, objective, autistic demographic around, have chosen to structure their activity around a code of ethics? Hint: it's not emotion.

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>why we don't simply put all AIDS patients in AIDS city?
in 30-50 years AIDS won't exist anymore

I'm surprised nobody addressed this but assuming you could get everyone to agree to this it would still not be enough.

To get rid of AIDS completely you would not only have to isolate all said patients but also destroy several species of primates and ban the practice of bush meat entirely to the harshest degree.

If you're going to pull a scorched earth policy you can't half-assed it and not deal with it at the source.

>>8955597

Not an argument.

>>8953709
Good idea all people with STDs should be used as guinea pigs for cures.

>>8955698
>Anything I don't like isn't an argument
Truly the board of science

>>8955694
Why don't we just make a virus that kills people with HIV???

>>8953072
Its funny how virgins pretend fucking 1K people is a bad thing and not an achievement

>>8955746
not when it's gay sex

>>8955597
That's not what he said. He said the chance is relatively low. He's right.

Now STFU

>>8955734
Why don't I just make a virus that kills 4chan posters I don't like such as you?

>>8955703
Why don't we use you as a guinea pig?

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>>8955408
>Look at all these brainlets who think that people with AIDS aren't ostracized because of "muh feels"

like the shitbags who spread it on purpose, poor things, I just wanna hug them

>>8955953
You can't catch HIV if you use protection, even if the other party doesn't tell you about it and intends to pass it on.

Keep posting paranoid bullshit though. It's already pretty clear to me that most of you belong in a mental institution but it's always nice to have more evidence.

>>8951972
>HIV can only be transmitted through humans
HIV was originally disease only among chimpanzees and many mammals have it.

>>8955959
>You can't catch HIV if you use protection
like what, Iron Man suit?
Fucking faggot, do you know how many people were just fucking stabbed with AIDS needles on toilets around the world?

>>8955966
Like condoms.
The chance of that happening to any given person is astronomically low. Even if that does happen to you, the risk of persistent HIV infection is also low. If you're not retarded, you'll get help and receive full antiretroviral prophylaxis which has > 90% chance of completely curing you.

There's nothing to worry about.

>>8955973
>there's nothing to worry about
Epic, simp,y epic bro XDDDDXDXDXDXDXDXDXXDXD

>>8955688
No, genociding AIDS patients is the best.
Putting them in AIDS city instead of just killing them is just waste of resources.

The only 'argument' against this is feelings.

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>>8955975
>I know I'll just break down in tears in front of everyone
>that will convince them!

>>8955978
>I know I'll just keep repeating the same things over and over
>that will convince them!

>>8955688
>a means of begging the question against moral systems counter to your own
what the fuck are you talking about? i asked you a simple question and you dodged it, which is indicative human rights isn't just a principle or noble idea to you but a cult.
if you can't answer this question >>8954580
keep quiet kid

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>>8955989
Your bullshit questions are nothing but a diversion.

>Can you envision any scenario where violating human rights might be necessary and/or moral?

Why would you ask this question in the first place? It's obvious: because you think your delusional HIV quarantine policy is a necessary and moral violation of human rights.

Everybody told you how stupid you are so you changed tactics. Now you're trying to get us to come up with some convoluted hypothetical situation where such a measure might be warranted so that you'll be able to pretend we were agreeing with you all along.

Ain't nobody here who's got time for your little inductive games kiddo

>>8955998
read the post again all the answer to your retarded questions are here >>8955989
stop wasting my time underage fag

>>8956003
(You)

>>8956005
>i'm still in highschool lmao
fuck off

>>8955989
Are you retarded
we put people in jail all the time

I dont think aids patients should be put in jail or punished unless they knowingly transmit their virus on purpose or commit some other crime

I hope you are not in high school

>>8956012
>unless they knowingly transmit their virus on purpose or commit some other crime

Why would you say that dumbass? Now that kid is going to argue with you to hell and back.

BTW the former president of the United States disagrees with that statement:

The Obama administration's National HIV/AIDS Strategy for the United States concluded that "the continued existence and enforcement of these types of laws [that criminalize HIV infection] run counter to scientific evidence about routes of HIV transmission and may undermine the public health goals of promoting HIV screening and treatment."

Hey guys I have an idea! If Trump can deport all illegal immigrants, then we can give this "AIDS city" idea some serious thought.
But if we can't even get rid of illegal immigrants, then rounding up all people with HIV will likely not work either

>>8954580
>Can you envision any scenario where violating human rights might be necessary
Actually, i can. It violates human rights to kill someone. But if someone attempts to kill me first, and i defend myself, then it's ok!
That being said, rounding up all people that are infected with AIDS or HIV is neither necessary nor moral.

>>8955427
>being so self-conscious you resort to analyzing to such detail the way dudes walk
autistic and gay i may add

>>8956024
>Why would you say that dumbass? Now that kid is going to argue with you to hell and back.
It's just my opinion but I can see the National AIDS strategy's point though
and my opinion is nowhere near as crazy as "put them in a city of their own"

>>8955427
>pic
You got me there

>>8955950
>Sexual transmission of HIV is 0% for oral
>Sex is not the problem here
Why are you so desperate?

>>8956047
its from /fit/

>>8955952
I dont have no STDS.

>>8955734
That could actualy work
you could just make hiv more deadly so infected people die after a few weeks and they wont have the chance to infect other people

>>8953363
Why does anal have the highest rate?

>>8956963
That's not a problem. I got a full disease cocktail in this here syringe. Let's call it a "vaccine".

Shall we begin our trials, Mr. Guinea Cuck?

>>8956527
Oral sex only matters if you have open wounds in your oral cavity. This could facillitate infection.

Are you so dumb you cannot connect the dots? Why women are at higher risk than men? Why anal sex is riskier than vaginal? Why oral sex just isn't a concern when compared to wounds, especially the self-inflicted contaminated needle puncture kind? Why doctors remain remarkably HIV-free despite accidentally stabbing themselves with bloody HIV+ needles all the god damn fucking time?

Not exactly rocket science we're dealing with here. I know /sci/ has a million chips on its collective shoulder when it comes to biology but this is just sad.

>>8957378
Because anal sex is more traumatic. Penetration has a higher chance of tearing the anorectal mucosa than the vaginal mucosa. Tears are wounds, entry points for microorganisms such as HIV. Also explains why men are in less danger and why stabbing yourself with used needles isn't such a smart idea.

Another factor that's at play here is the actual amount of HIV that gets inoculated. Condoms aren't completely impermeable to the virus, but the concentration of HIV people are exposed to is so low that the body can deal with it. If it's low enough even getting stabbed with a needle isn't going to give you AIDS

>>8953855
>every weekend
>you can find 1000 separate strangers to fuck you over the course of ~6.5 years.

ok

I didn't know /sci/ was THIS retarded

>>8955694
>have to isolate all said patients but also destroy several species of primates and ban the practice of bush meat

do we actually have evidence that monkeys carry the virus? and if it is true. does the virus even affect monkeys? or monkeys are just carriers

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>>8959457
HIV evolved from a similar monkey virus SIV and crossed the species barrier in at least three occasions. Humans can catch SIV but it is a weaker virus when compared to HIV.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FEZ1

How do we make CD4 cells express this protein? This could make them immune to HIV