Is there really any point of bringing man to mars? Sounds like

>>8932533
In Mars you could rape that hot Japanese astronaut in the pic and nobody on Earth would know it until the radio message asking for help gets to Earth, which would take weeks, months even if you do it in the right moment. It would take another few years until Earth sends a rescue mission to Mars. By then she'd have already accepted her faith as concubine and you two would have given birth to the first Martians.

>>8932548
Signing for trials now.

No. If it's for economic gain we'll eventually run out of resources and opportunities there as well. If it's to ensure the survival of human species, Mars is not only more hostile to life but it's also inevitable that humans there destroy themselves much like those on Earth would.

>>8932576
the problem is that it is not economically feasible to import resources from mars.
Also we are currently unable to create self-sustaining colony on mars, thus it also doesn't help us to protect the human race from extinction

>>8932576
This is why Venus is such a better choice for first colonization. Even if it fails, the downfall will be incredibly more epic.

>>8932533
To appease Bill Nye

>>8932548
Sounds hot, I'll do it.

>Is there really any point of bringing man to mars?
Not really, theres nothing that cant be done with autonomous vehicles at the moment

>>8932533
how are they on mars, is this photoshopped? thats pretty good photoshopping skills.

Mars is a stepping stone, a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. If we want to expand our civilization out of the solar sytem to proxima b for example we would nee to learn how to deal with long endurence missions and mars would be a good training ground among other aspects. Maybe someday we will learn better ways of terroformation that is cheaper than current methods that will make it more habitable.

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>>8932533
Is there really any point in putting seed in ground.
Sounds like a big waste of energy to me.

>not wanting to go home

Asteroids > The Moon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shit > Mars

>>8932548
I have a fantasy about getting a hot astronaut chick pregnant by accident on a long space journey, but NASA can't find out, so I fuck her pregnant body and milky swollen tits for 9 months in space than when the baby is born we throw it out into the vacuum of space.

>>8932533
>earth explodes
>humans go extinct
or
>earth explodes
>still have some people on mars

>>8932746
How the fuck would earth explode, thermonuclear winter would leave no life on mars but it wouldn't blow up the planet

>>8932757
*Except on mars if ther was people

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>>8932533
One word. Nuclear Fuel. It's like earths uranium mines but undiscovered. We would be starting from zero all over again.

Which is made even better by the fact that mars core cooled down faster than earths. There could be a veritable ASS load of fissile material just below his volcanic leftover veins.

We would finally enter an age where we spent our time burning rocks instead of each other... Set up a lazer and a nuclear plant, beam all energy back to earth.

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>>8932765
Plus we could in theory use the Ice to make water for the reactor. Or just house the fuel in a craterous crack for teh lulz.

>>8932548
>raping a woman on an alien planet
That is so fucking hot.

>>8932708
Agriculture was actually a mistake.
We weren't born for this and it shows.

>>8932786
It allows massive human populations so its good.

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>>8932772
This of course would require an army of remote controlled drill bots of various shapes and sizes with incredibly high dexterity and the ability to repair themselves while traversing riggerous terrain....with many human operators behind each bots wheel.

Its not like we are developing a humanoid robot that would be able to function like that beside a giant drill bot though...
Oh wait...

*pic related*

>>8932791
>>8932772
>>8932765

In short...Maybe not men...
But definitely Bots piloted by them...
Followed by tourists.

"...but the moon is full of helium 3."

"The only reason we haven't cannibalised the moon at night is because we have to look at it before we sleep..."

- The Planet Eater

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>>8932533
Also. Final passing thought...
If you zoom out Juuuust far enough....
You start to notice that a rocket ship looks an aweful lot like a virus...
The macro copies the micro. We come full circle.
Really makes you think.

Humanity. Is a virus.
Top lel.

>>8932765
Two words**

>>8932533
So let's just stay on this little piece of sand in the universe waiting for our extintion, enjoying money and pussy.
There are no money in the future, otherwise there won't be a future.

>>8932886
On this little piece we have a breathable atmosphere, the right amount of gravity, protection from cosmic rays and solar flares, cultivable land, water.
All things you don't have on Mars.

>>8932830
As an ecologist, I have always considered "infrastructure" a disease vector.
Do with that what you please. I'm not even a misanthrope(except that time I was 11 years old.) it's just obvious.
Just fuck my landscape up

>>8932533
The first steps to cosmic expansion and galactic exploration you dunce.

>>8932708

Well one can feed starving kids in Africa and the other can't.

>>8932533
What would you spend the money on

>>8932757
>it wouldn't blow up the planet
There is your problem.

>>8932533

Colonize Mars, Mars colony colonizes everywhere else because of easy access to space + lots of ices for making fuels.

The point is to colonize the solar system.

Doing it just because it is hard is a good enough reason. If we cared purely about economics, we'd have killed all the niggers long ago.

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>>8932765
>tfw an argent energy tower will exist

>>8932533
"We choose to go to mars. We choose to go to mars in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too."

>>8932548
At the furthest from Earth, Mars is only ~20 light minutes away. It's not going to be weeks before they know. Because of their minimal mass, a Mars mission will carry plan B. Alternatively the astronauts might be sterilized to prevent pregnancy.

>>8932533
well supposedly, geologists claim that they could do better geology than a robot if they were actually there. Although most geologists who have said this have never worn a space suit...

>>8932765
Of course we can get practically unlimited uranium on earth from seawater.

not to mention, on Earth we have had oxygen for millions of years. This is rather important for Uranium mining because the presence of oxygen allows Uranium to become soluble in water, enabling all sorts of processes that concentrate Uranium. As far as we can tell, Mars' early atmosphere did not have oxygen.

Hell, we have yet to directly detect uranium on mars

>> Set up a lazer and a nuclear plant, beam all energy back to earth.
Oh hell no. Mars is fucking far.

>>8934238
So is the sun...
~.~


It takes 8 minutes for its light to hit us....
If we set up a tracker system lazer on both poles it would take us a minimum of 4 bounces to keep the beam consistant.

"And God said, "The sun shall shine in the morn and the moon at night..."No.", said the man, it shall shine at night, it shall shine in everyones homes, it shall shine in the darkest caverns, it shall even light up out bones."

And so he made the lightbulb.

>>8932533
Money is just an abstract form of energy.

It's hopes, dreams ands potential. We can never run out of those qualities.

Much like fat around our bellies used to mean those things before, now a fat wallet does it.

>>8934346
YOU GOTTA KEEP THISE TO YOURSELF SO THEY LAST FOREVER REEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>8934357

>>8934362
Are you like, ultra sensative or something that you can hear the scream just by reading it?

>>8934362
Don't you mean mental "Reeee"-tardation?

>>8934375
>>8934381
that isn't me, just wanted to share this person's comment lol
i saw my chance and i took it

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>>8932533
>is there any point to going beyond the trees, ongmbgonk?

>>8934333
So you want to build something that's going to convert laser light to electricity on earth's pole and then transmit that electricity all over the earth from that pole? If we could do that, we wouldn't need nuclear reactors on fucking mars.

What do you do when it's cloudy on earth and dusty on Mars?

It would be much cheaper and more cost effective not to colonize mars, but instead build a solar power satellite at GEO.

>>8932743
Are you me?

>>8932746
and those people would die eventually because a mars colony wouldn't be self-sustainable

>>8933632
the stuff that we are doing now, launching better telescope to explore the universe
maybe a moon base

>>8934393
Do you think apes at one point made the deliberate choice to leave trees behind and explore grassland?

>>8932533

For long term research, maybe.

Economically, no. Which is why I don't understand how private corporations can have a part, at least until they can figure out a way to turn a profit.

Lol we have a ton of issues with just leaving the earth for people to go to the ISS.

Even then, we would need to terraform mars first to even have a chance of living there which would take years. And we would need to deal with the climate of mars and be able to deal with sandstorms that may last for weeks.

>>8934402
Retractable Lazer Head, store the excess energon in molten salt.

>colony on Mars

JELLO BABIES
JELLO BABIES
JELLO BABIES

>>8935272
Why the fuck can't you spell things correctly? Now if we could just store energy effectively with molten salt, we wouldn't need nuclear reactors on Mars, we could just use renewables on Earth.

>>8934664
Yes it would because Elon dumb fuck

>>8932708
gneurshk

>>8934672
Obviously

If our ancestors had such a great time up in the trees then we wouldn't exist today.

>>8932533
If a large asteroid is found to be approaching earth, then he billions spent would be invaluable in regards to continuing the human civilization.

>>8932765
Isn't this the storyline to DOOM?

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>>8935426
>We hang a giant boulders off a mountain on a lever to store energy

>Giant gravity sticks that turn generators like a fucking combine harvester tower or better, water and stone sticks

>Tfw we are the combine.

>Beam energy when we can

>Excess energy can be used for making tasty memes like colonies and bubble cities underground.

>Heat energy can be used to make glass and spare robot parts and replacement parts


Fucking genious.
XD

http://johnhawks.net/weblog/topics/social/hawking_colonization_space_2006.html
spacetards btfo

>>8936846
>Not using the 2 kilometer vertical drop the cliffs have near the poles to embed collection towers with a long ass gear box.

Plebian.

* <-- 3000kg Rock connected to a pully
|__
|__
|__ <- Lever energy collectors
|__
|__
|__
|___________ <- Martian Floor

>>8936960
>pully

Where are you gonna get a rope genious?
It isn't like mars is covered in basalt and dust that you can make fiber glass or rope out of....

Oh wait....

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Elon Musk is South African

He knows where this shithole planet is going

>>8936846
>>8937033
>>8936960

And what's the point of building large scale energy storage on Mars if you're putting nuclear reactors on Mars? New nuclear reactors are being built that can load follow, they can ramp up and ramp down electricity production eith demand.

For your fucking wacky idea of beaming electricity to Earth, it's Earth that needs energy storage in case it's cloudy on Mars or Earth. Guess what also needs energy storage?

Regular renewable energy on earth. If we built up a large energy storage and transportation network, we wouldn't need nukes on Mars, we could just use renewables on Earth.

Oh and how much does this cost?

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>>8932696

Planting a thousand people on Mars in an expandable and self-sustaining colony is a big job but it isn't even the biggest job in human history.

If they really do manage to build a rocket that can haul 450 tons to Mars for $62 million, the project will be shorter and cheaper than a lot of the more impressive dams and roadways on Earth.

>>8937382
Well we have a shit ton of energy storage capabillities on earth. Having them on mars ensures that the power output remains consistant and spare energy managed properly.
The cost is lowered by the production of energy. The larger the operation and the more energy can be beamed the more $$$$ gets spared in the process.

How much exactly? Fuck if I know. But the game was to see if I could store energy on mars somehow without loosing too many memes.

>>8937420

and a two kilometer vertical fall looks like EXACLTY the meme to use especially with a robot like Handle.

420....
It is a sign....

BLAZE IT

got to have some place for all the whites and east asians to run off to when the muslim, african, and hispanic hordes ruin everything.

then the socialist terrans show up in martian orbit. demanding whitey and chinky let them move in and gibe welfare. at which point the neo-rhodesians nuke them. Then release a viral plague on the earth to wipe out humanity.

>>8932743
You should patent that story before its too late

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>>8937431
The argument was already laid out 20 years ago that Mars should accept 10% of its total population in refugees each year

>>8937439
what was the justification for refugees in those books?

>>8937420
>>Well we have a shit ton of energy storage capabillities on earth.
no we do not. The price of electricity goes negative in some places because too much is being produced and we can't store it all:
http://www.slate.com/articles/business/the_juice/2015/09/texas_electricity_goes_negative_wind_power_was_so_plentiful_one_night_that.html

Energy storage on earth is quite limited, here's a list of pretty much all large scale energy storage projects:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_energy_storage_projects

>>the more $$$$ gets spared in the process
but are the costs worth the benefits?

>>But the game was to see if I could store energy on mars somehow without loosing too many memes.
if you don't do any math or use evidence to support your assertions, it's as good as meme

>>8937426
>>robot like handle
what the fuck are you talking about

>>8937454
Earth is poor and suffering from droughts and famines

>>8937465
For the sake of humanity's future, I hope the future men on mars aren't dumb enough to fall for that.

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>>8937417
>$62 million
Any attempt to send humans to Mars will cost billions and billions of dollars, no way around it. A single launch could optimistically cost $62 million, but infrastructure construction and testing cost a lot.

>>8937347
>Elon Musk
>foresight
All he has is boundless optimism, for better or worse. Right now he's marrying a notorious gold digger, which is for worse.

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>>8937462
>He doesn't know about our not so secret weapon against lack of oxygen yet

Feast your eyes on this bad ass motherfucker.

Picture it now. An army of remote controlled steel golems.

No need to breathe, no need to rest, relentless and pilotable remotely. Working on mega structures, side by side with large drill bots.

https://youtu.be/-7xvqQeoA8c

Repairable, effecient, consistant, can pick things up, can pin things down, drill, balance, jump rough terrain, falls down but can stand back up and relatively flexible.

A 75 kilogram magic man
Magic~

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>>8937497
There must be some egregious bloat there because the launch vehicle was 10% of the cost and even that was hideously overpriced

Which means the RC car itself seriously costs over $2 billion. I appreciate that there's some expensive R&D under the hood here but holy shit this guy has the same price tag as 11,000 Ferraris

>>8937527
>>8937527
Oh I knew about handle, I was just wondering why you brought it up in the context of energy storage.

>>remote controlled
>> no need to rest, relentless and pilotable remotely
Of course if they are remote controlled then the workers will need to rest
>>effecient
Having one robot per worker does not seem very efficient to me.

>>can pick things up, can pin things down
so long as those things are milk crates. Construction involves so much than just picking things up and putting them down.

>>drill
there is not one video of this thing drilling. It probably can't even pick up a drill if it tried.

>>balance
and why would a construction robot need to balance in the first place
>>jump rough terrain
Pretty much that whole video was filmed indoors on flat concrete. That's not even terrain.

Do you know DARPA had a contest for remotely controlled robots completing tasks? Here is video of said competition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0TaYhjpOfo

They did not do very well and were much slower than humans at doing basic tasks. No matter how much it can jump and balance, that's not going to help one bit if can't do basic construction tasks.

And how are you going to get all these robots and construction vehicles to Mars? And if you are going to build them there, it's going to take quite some time before Mars has enough of an industrial base to make such things. It's going to take decades. In a couple of decades, we might find something that obviates the need for martian nuclear power.

>>8937671
Ayy Lmao

>>8932743
Same

>>8933531
Who the fuck cares about starving niggers? Are you really that much of a fag that your first thought about agriculture is if it can feed niggers?

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>>8940061
Are you kidding? Hundreds of people showed up at Cape Canaveral to protest the moon landings, saying they should be canceled and the money spent on welfare instead

They even had this catchy song https://youtube.com/watch?v=PtBy_ppG4hY

>>8934135
Its gonna be great, believe me.

>>8937527
I jizzed when it started jumping towards the end.

>>8932533
It's about pushing the limits of our capabilities. If we stop pushing boundaries, we'll end up like the neanderthals and all the other hominids we coexisted with. In short, if we stop, we die.

>>8934664
>a mars colony wouldn't be self-sustainable
it fucking might be if we just made a serious attempt instead of being a bag of limp dicks and incessantly whining about how it's too hard

>>8937394
>literally Bonneville Utah

>>8932786
Without agriculture, the human population would have been far lower, culture would have developed at a much slower pace, and it's unlikely that there would be written language, let alone an internet.

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>>8932533
>Is there really any point of bringing Europeans to America?
>I know what is and is not a big waste of money

>>8941871
This is a flawed comparison, there was still livestock and vegetation and atmosphere in the new world. Any colony missions would have to bring everything, in every sense of the word, in order to be successful.

>>8941950
Eh

Mars would eventually have its own water, its own oxygen, its own glass and steel, its own uranium and solar panels

I'm not talking about a terraforming pipe dream either, I feel like it wouldn't be insurmountable to build a self-replicating habitat

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>>8941950
>>8941950
>>8941950
They DID bring their own livestock.
Deer are impossible to domesticate and fucking useless.

They brought a lot of their own food and primarily ate that. This is strange though considering there was abundant local food available to eat.

We can, and have, grown edible plants in space. It was easier than expected, growing plants on Mars will be even easier than growing them in microG on space stations too.

Tomatoes, grapes, mushrooms, potatoes and lettuce could begin growing in robotic managed habitats launched and deployed years before the first astronauts even arrive on Mars--they'd have a salad waiting for them basically, beats hardtack and dry salted meat.

>there's no air of water
There's plenty of ice, and power can easily be provided. That's all you need to take care of both in a self-sustaining manner.

In response to this thread and OP in general: the point of colonizing Mars is simple 1. some people want to 2. some people can
once there is and overlap between 1 and 2 that's all the reason you need to go to Mars, or do anything ever really. If you're not interested or able, do something else.

This is stupid, people want to make a hostile planet such as Mars habitable, yet we cannot fix our Earth which is far less hostile.

>>8940520
Yep momma sure looks hungry in that pic. Did she eat one of the astronauts in protest?

>>8940520
DAMN WHITEY NOT GIVIN US THEY'S MONEY AGAIN

>>8942375
The problem is people, not tech or lifestyle.

The harsh Martian environment will lead productive and enlightened colonists to self select for the mission. There will always be billions on Earth who just don't give a fuck about the world and never will.

Before that, the human being must be able to exploit all available energy on Earth.

>>8941866
Thanks for proving my point?

>>8932533
>Is there really any point of bringing man to north america?
>Sounds like a big waste of money to me

>Is there really any point of bringing man to south america?
>Sounds like a big waste of money to me

>Is there really any point of bringing man to china?
>Sounds like a big waste of money to me

>Is there really any point of bringing man to india?
>Sounds like a big waste of money to me

>Is there really any point of bringing man to australia?
>Sounds like a big waste of money to me

the earth is becoming overpopulated, we need a new planet

Earth cannot sustain humanity forever

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>>8932533
>Is there really any point of bringing man to mars?
>Sounds like a big waste of money to me
The point is that there is no point really, other than science and adventure. Europa/the rest of space as well has no point and is a waste of money if you look at it like that.

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>>8943204

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>>8943211

>>8934174
Geologist here, I could definitely do better geology if I was actually there. It has nothing to do with that fact that I would love to be one of the first people to ever set foot on another planet and get away from this shithole of a world.

>>8943204
>NASA's budget is preventing them from going to Mars

>>8937543
embezzlement is a hell of a drug

>>8933491
>As an ecologi

Stopped reading there

>>8934135
Our rockets, ours are the best. i've seen -you wouldn't believe these things - fantastic rockets.

>>8932548
Nice

>>8933531
It's not possible to feed all the starving kids in Africa. Even if adults could bring themselves to not destroy perfectly good infrastructure, there are too many kids.

>>8942917
tru dat

>>8932533
JELLO BABIES
JELLO BABIES
JELLO BABIES
JELLO BABIES

Half of this thread is shitposting while the other half is explaining that it's retarded to go there to begin with. I'm willing to differ.

There is a purpose, and that's out of curiosity and going where we haven't gone before. Curiosity is of itself a poor and pointless reason. If that seems pointless though, then go ahead and think about our existence. Why do anything? Why do anything if ultimately the universe will experience an unstoppable heat death? Why do anything to benefit or save the life of any human if they are going to die in a relatively very short period of time any way? What's stopping you and I and the other /sci/ shitposters that have read this from going and hanging themselves right now? Humanity is insignificant, the very threads of society are based on empty tradition and all humans want to do is fuck and have a good time and not die, and we haven't always been around and won't always be around. We are pointless, purposeless. But we exist. So let's deal with that and do what we do best; understand our existence, explore new territory and expand. Curiosity is why every invention that has been invented was invented. It's what created both religion and later on darwinism. It's why Homo Erectus expanded its territory beyond that fertile pasture in the Horn of Africa and went on to become the Homo Sapiens that prove dominance over all seven continents and five oceans. Certainly for any purpose a drone would be better, but the same can be said for literally anything done by a human, so why not just celebrate our pointlessness and do it ourselves? For damn certain it is a big waste of money and resources and time and potentially human life. But that's all our existence has been: Wasting time and space to accomplish pointless goals. So let's go waste some more time and space and accomplish more pointless goals. Let's go to Mars. Let's be humans.

>>8944093
>>8944093
If we redistributed corn production from livestock in America to children in Africa, we would kill two birds with one stone; solving hunger and being more humane to the now somewhat obsolete living things that we raised our societies on the backs of.

It isn't that there is too many mouths to feed or not enough food or people to do it, it's that us humans are absolutely retarded and those who have the solutions aren't the ones in charge; our leadership no matter where you live, unless you live under a hierarchy or dictatorship, is all just a popularity contest.
I'm not trying to dump on any one person or one concept (hell I voted for Trump if you think I'm dumping on him or democracy/capitalism), just being blatant here. There could've been a man in the 1860's who could've ended slavery and solved racism in America for the next several hundred years without anything close to a war if he or even she were made president, but they weren't. Not gonna say there for certain was, but it's an interesting concept you've got to consider.

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See what we should do is send something like this into low earth orbit so we can learn what we need to live in different reduced gravity environments.

>>8934174
>Alternatively the astronauts might be sterilized to prevent pregnancy.

Pretty sure the trip there will do that for them anyway. Mars is a death sentence.

>>8943204
The military was 44% of the total federal budget in 1969. In 2016 it was only 16%. I'm not saying we aren't spending too much blowing up sand people, but realistically speaking the real drain on the budget is entitlement programs.

Normies are so predictable. If we went to Mars people would ask when we were going to Venus, ignoring that it's utterly inhospitable, or one of Jupiter's moons, ignoring that it's very fucking far away.

This isn't 60,000 BC, we don't actually have to be someplace to learn everything about it.

Space exploration in general is a waste of money. Its no fun helping our own species, lets just burn money.

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>>8944505
>Giving food to Africans
All that would do is make them shit out another 7 children each, and make them screech for more gibs
They can't even comprehend agriculture, why do we want to prop those useless rapid breeders up even more

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>all these brainlet mouthbreathers that do not understand just how much fucking resources are in space
It isn't a empty void, there's space rocks galore and they all have gold, platinum, iridium, and everything else you could imagine in the billions of tons
Don't even need to bother with Mars at all, as we could make O'Neil cylinder habitats by the millions to house quadrillions of people in magnificent conditions

>>8932790
>it allows massive human populations
So it's not good then.

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>>8944941
>more population
>more thinkers
>more scientific advancement
>more fun shit to play with

>>8932533
It will probably eventually be worth it to have some sort of base. Mining asteroids for their resources will be hugely profitable once that trend starts happening. That means jobs in space. Jobs in space means homes in space, and mars is a lot closer in orbit to the big rocks that we will be mining.

I don't give a fuck about mars while having that shitloards of student debt. The government's job is fixing problems here on earth not making new ones somewhere else.

>>8932533
It's stupid considering we haven't even put effort into saving a habitable earth.
It's not a waste of money, money is a worthless symbol that represents what was done to make it. In our economic system it is capital, which is land, labour, goods and services, debt, all things that are exploited from life.
Going to Mars is a waste of life, our civilization is a waste of life, I go outside and all I see is garbage fires with life hiding in between.
Death eaters live in good neighborhoods. Corporate signs the checks if they work hard and suck life good. Born indentured money launders, work hard so you can eat death, that's life. Signed some loans and took out a mortgage to live the dream, proudly owned by the land of the free. They pull the freedom wagon all day and go back to their prison house on planet bullshit, too tired to cook, the breakdown and give the 20$ to dominos who sends some death over to eat. They want to be rich someday. Azkabans purpose is not to contain prisioners, it's to enslave the guards.
Free life.

>>8934695
If we start mining asteroids, mars would be a useful place to set up camp (its closer in orbit to the asteroids). Honestly, publicly sponsored colonization will likely be secondary to this. Corporations might ask for research grants to make the operation cheaper, but the main motive will be the mad cheddar they get from the space rocks.

>>8945039
This is pretty funny if it's bait, and pretty sad if you're being honest.

It's 2017, men can be girls too, why haven't the government made this a fact yet?

Also why can't they just legalize drugs man? It's MY body and so long as it doesn't hurt anyone else...

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>>8945039
You done better be a shitposter
If you're not, remove yourself from life

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>>8945050
An even better place to set up camp is space, as you'd avoid spending any fuel on pushing out of or into a gravity well

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>>8932743
thats already the plot of some shitty kids movie my gf took me to go see a few months ago. dont remember the name of it though

>>8932533
it is totally pointless. Maybe some day when we have colonized moon, bunch of orbital habitats and some space industry that is in sapace. Then making research base on mars would be beneficial. Instead of going to mars we should make base on moon, start making some permament settlement there. Moon is really great as jumpstart for colonizing our solar system.

>>8933531
You feed them they just literally multiply, as result you will have more of them to feed. Feeding them makes all problems there only worse. Instead educate them.

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>>8945174
On the bright side a rocket massive enough for a Mars landing would make a moon landing almost trivial

If the SpaceX ITS is completed it would be able to haul a 150 ton payload (10 times the mass of the Apollo lander) to the moon and back for $50 million

>>8937347

this

there will be no niggers on Mars

humanity only thrives when the conditions are hard

harsh polar regions gave birth to white race

harsh Martian conditions will give birth to a new masterrace

Earth will be left for niggers to rot, the future of humanity is in space

>>8944870
Crude but accurate.

Let them die, this is how it should be.

>>8945221
Stop watching The Expanse.

>>8932533
Going only as far as the moon has brought us:
Memory foam, good insulation, water filters, scratch resistant lenses, freeze drying, workout machines, insulin pumps, infrared thermometers, MRI and CAT scans, solar energy, smoke detectors, prosthetic limbs, shoe insoles, cordless tools, cellphone cameras, LEDs, way stronger car tires, better long distance communications, etc.
This has all been worth the money more than10 times over imho.

Can't wait to see what going to Mars will bring us.

>>8945304
well going to mars is like going to the moon just longer distance.

>>8945307
It has greater demands.
There's no need for 3D printing, tool replication, or space greenhouses, recycling urine etc. on the moon. It's right next door and you can go there and back in a week.

>>8945307
>just a longer distance
I don't think you understand the implications.

>>8944497
I appreciate you

>>8945308
they'd do all those anyway though, since getting shit off earth is fucking expensive, and why bother making and sending shit when you can make everything up there for a fraction of the cost
why send dumbfuck a hammer when he can just print one

>>8944842
scaredy cat

>>8944497
No I don't want to. Too scared.

Comfort me with the simple things I already know and accept plz.

>>8932533
We can only choose the moon or Mars because of a deficit of funding.

The moon can be done cheaper and will provide more immediate benefits to tourism, astronomy, materials science, and dangerous biological research.

A casino resort on the moon would be amazing, I know I'd never be able to afford living there, but it would make me comfy to look up at the stars and know Donald Trump and Kanye West could be looking down on me ;_; Really makes you think

>>8932533
i agree. more jobs is our #1 goal.

>>8945189
Elon said "asking if a Mars rocket can land on the moon is like asking if a transatlantic ship can make it across the English Channel"

>>8946387
That's a bit disingenuous, though.

Mars has an atmosphere for aerobraking, plus about twice the gravity of the moon, and while it's dusty, it's not nearly as much so as the moon is (you basically have to either build a landing pad on the moon, or land miles away from anything you want to visit, or you'll sandblast it with parabolic particles entirely unimpeded by any atmosphere). To land on the moon, you need to propulsively brake, requiring much more propellant, and you need engines which can throttle down to half as much. On top of that, Mars is swimming in materials to make rocket propellant out of: land anywhere and you can collect water and carbon dioxide. On the moon, hydrogen or carbon compounds of any sort are very scarce, so it's much harder to make propellant for the return trip.

I'm sure SpaceX can make something based on ITS to go to the moon, but it's not just automatically suited to it because it can go to Mars.

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>>8945954
>but it would make me comfy to look up at the stars and know Donald Trump and Kanye West could be looking down on me;_; Really makes you think
I kek'd harder than I had any right to at this

>>8937543
Failure mode analysis and taking care of every single possible potential for trouble takes a lot of time and money. Every single part used is beyond mil. spec. (which is expensive) and verified (also expensive).

You can read about the cheaper approach here:
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-40029180
>The crashed European spacecraft Schiaparelli was ill-prepared for its attempt at landing on the surface of Mars.
>That's the conclusion of an inquiry into the failure on 16 October 2016.
>The report outlines failings during the development process and makes several recommendations ahead of a rover mission to Mars set for launch in 2020.
>That mission will require more testing, improvements to software and more outside oversight of design choices.

>>8947407
Counterpoint: The Mars 2020 Rover will be mechanically identical to Curiosity but will still cost $2.1 billion, they only saved 20% by building the exact same tried and true design over again.

>>8943204
The department of defense regularly leads the way for new technologies. The rocket that went to the Moon was an edit to a rocket designed to obliterate. Hell, even the internet came to be because DoD funding research in the 60s.

>>8944998
>more idiots
>more degenerates
>more criminals
>more disease
>more death
>more shit to clean up

Ya, no. It's great to have a surplus of food and all, but we've taken it to a whole other level. Fuck the enviornment except for that bit of soil we need to plant our crops.

>>8932533
Everything is a waste of money. But at least we can test our limits, leave some marks of our existence and learn something new before we all die.

>>8933499
>The first steps
Have already been taken. We are walking in others footsteps. Mars is nothing to us; just a promotional idea that grabs the attention of normies and keeps space tech relevant. There is absolutely no reason people need to be on Mars, and we would be taking too many risks in doing so; risks that could set us back from making actual meaningful discoveries.

>>8945064
This. Mars idiots BTFO again.

>>8937527
Sure does well, on smooth pavement.

>>8937543
I can't even imagine the kind of tests they put each tech and combinations of tech through. Sending something off Earth that can't be maintained or fixed by human hands is one thing, sending a high tech research bot is another thing.

>>8942320
>grown edible plants in space
Small scale does not translate to large scale. The amount of space needed to grow enough plants to feed even a 10 person colony would make things next to impossible without multiple trips to transport materials. Then there is the problem when things go wrong; nothing to replace broken infrastructure.

>>8944891
Cost to get those resources does not produce a profit. Not yet anyways, and maybe never. We still have a ways to go before we can make asteroid mining feasible.

>>8947707
>refine materials already there
>now have building material
so hard
so tough
we can build refineries here, we can build them there, and easier, due to the lower gravity

>>8932533
agreed. we should spend money on being more comfortable.

>>8932533
>Sounds like a big waste of money to me
get a load of this faggot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7Uyfqi_TE8

>>8934672
Well yes in the sense that as their habitat changed and trees began receding and turning into isolated clumps they had to migrate across stretches of open ground to get between food sources. It was a deliberate choice to find somewhere else to get food.

There's a point. A single human scientist on Mars for a week could gather more data than all of the robots ever sent there for the simple fact that he can move more than 1 inch an hour and actually use a shovel.

>>8932696
Yeah.. That is probably somewhere on earth... probably.

>>8932757
Um, death star obviously.

>>8932594
>This is why Venus is such a better choice for first colonization

Have we had a single lander make it to Venus that wasn't destroyed in a few hours from the heat and pressure? Sounds like a great place.