Lets have a debate/brainstorm session /sci/. How could we, and

Just like it happened in the West.

1) Create a working pension system
2) Improve the education and legal rights of women.

Anything else is just fantasy.

>>8925306
Birthrates are lowest among the most intelligent, and intelligence is a heritable trait.

Do you see a potential problem here?

>>8925306
>Me personally, my wife and I adopted a child instead of having our own.
What if I'm not a Cuck?

Legit question. I could never raise a kid that wasn't my own, there would always be a little thing aching about it in my heart.

>>8925306
God that's sad

>>8925306
>not spreading pure Aryan genetics

>>8925314
this is happening everywhere except sub saharan africa (even there, it's beginning to happen)

it just werks

>>8925306
>Get to mars.
>Set up uranium mines and life support systems for farming and recycling
>Kill anyone who even remotely mentions setting up a windmill by launching them out the air lock
>Set Earth up the bomb
>Land on mars
>Remote detonate
>Go home many years later

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>>8926255
>Kill anyone who even remotely mentions setting up a windmill by launching them out the air lock
I like your style

>lower child mortality
>improve local economy
>poor countries no longer need to have 8 kids per family, 4 of which will survive, to help them water the garden or wahtever the fuck they do
>after a transition period, they go down to 2 kids per family

>>8926255


"But Captain senpai! There is wind on Ma-"

*airlocked*

>>8926255
>>8926261
>>8926263
I don't get it

>>8925306
make people sterile in mass population centres? i mean, not permanently but with pills so that people living in places with massive overpopulation (eg. india, china, africa.) or poverty must pay for a medicine that makes them fertile for awhile. and a limit on how many you can buy.

may seem a bit extreme but do you really want a child born into that sort of life?

>>8926262
>improve local economy

Ya that makes sense.

>consumerism and overpopulation is destabilizing the biosphere
>we can control the consumerism variable
>lets increase consumerism and hope that maybe eventually it might help reduce overpopulation

Why didn't I think of that? Oh ya, cuz I'm not a banker...

>>8925306
The solution is very simple. White people have to stop having children. You should instead just adopt black children or other minority children.

>>8925306
Turn them all into a bunch of autistic man children addicted to animu cartoons and put them all on a wapanese voodoo memeing board and watch as their lives automatically fall apart over a long period of time.

>>8925306
Do nothing at all, let the famines commence.

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>>8925306
>overpopulation

No such thing for humanity. Quit sucking Bill Nye's cock.

>>8926255
So basically prove Bradbury right and create Martians

Give subsaharan Africans access to contraceptives. Not race-baiting either. The entire world is going through lower birthrates except for subsaharan Africa. If we do stated above than the projection of population growth should drop dramatically.

>>8926453
we are already shipping boatloads of the stuff down there

>>8925306
you're always allowed to have at least one child
any more than 1-2 and you're increasing the human population

>>8925306
I'm having 5 kids because fuck you also because there aren't enough intelligent blue eyed beautiful kids in the world.

need to outpace other population growth rates.

limit people to two kids unless they adopt, then cap the adoption at 3 or 4

>>8925306
Impossible in the current world. Ideally though :

- Institute a strict one-child policy which involves mandatory sterilization of both parents after one child

- Stop helping third world countries in any way unless their governments agree to implement said policy (under independent control).

>>8926473
>mandatory sterilization
yikes

>>8925306
Tell my why overpopulation is a real problem right now?

From what I know we have more than enough resources to feed at least 11 billion people on Earth if not more, the only reason we don't do it is that solving all these hunger crysises isn't the goal of our governments.

>>8925314
Not really, we need right-libertarianism and rely on survival of the fittest.

>>8925306
Get white people off of this planet. they literally contribute to nothing except for genocide and destroying earth

>>8926477
This is certainly far from ideal, but do you have a better idea for effectively stopping the exponential growth of human population?

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>>8926484
>Tell my why overpopulation is a real problem right now?

It isn't and never will be. OP is a social propaganda shill. Literally a /pol/ thread.

>>8926493
maybe educate everyone on contraceptives and sex in general and lower rape rates, increase affluence (more affluent people have less kids)
this is all pretty hard stuff to do though

I'm not a /pol/ cuck, but civilized westerners have nothing to do with overpopulation. At all.

It's uneducated people from Africa and the Middle East or places with selfish cultures such as India, China, that are producing way too much population for their regions to handle.
In China and India there is such disgusting squalor it's incomprehensible.

Modernization and education in those regions are key. No idea how it can happen.

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>>8925306
We should artificially reduce the population in countries with troubling birthrates.

>>8925306
>How could we, and should we curb overpopulation on the planet?
Stop Republicans and Christians from going to Africa and telling Africans that condoms, birth control and abortion are bad.

So many fucking "charities" in Africa are the source of great suffering that would make even Malthus nauseous.

>>8926506
>selfish cultures
reeeee

>>8926488
That IS Africa. We have Boko Haram, ISIS and Somalia to thank for it.

>>8926496
>OP is a social propaganda shill. Literally a /pol/ thread.
Looks like a contrary of /pol/ because the only ones who think about overpopulation right now are the whites. You can actually make the same thread in /pol/ and enjoy their butthurt.

>>8926524
It's kinda of fucked up to say, but look at the underclasses

>>8926522
Ya but everyone needs a little beach vacation at least 4 times a year... Its so cold in the north in the winter

>>8926568
huh? What are you going on about?

>>8926522
The answer would be to set up a counter church with an Arch-Wizard at the helm to counter the Pope.

>>8926598
It's American Evangelical Christians doing this shit.

>>8926598
From there on in it becomes Wizard King vs Pope wars. For every priest there would be a wizard counterpart in the other Temple.


Thread theme:
War cant of mars.
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https://youtu.be/wy-sVTaZRPk

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>>8926609
To be fair though we would get so many converts if we did this shit right here.

Robotic suits that "breathe" life into metal
https://youtu.be/o0HiiZGle6c

and this shit right here.

Levitation
https://youtu.be/VeFNg0Sz10I

The only counter they would have is to call the Wizard king the anti-christ and all his Wizards false prophets...
but by then it would be too late...lol

>>8926609
>this fucking website
yeah, you guys are real leaders with big ideas here. . .

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>>8926630
For double the luls we can proclaim that the Wizard king speaks directly to God and top it all off with this symbol as the official symbol for the new Temple.

>>8926636
All I can say is please move to Somalia and share your ideas with the armed natives. Please, for all our sake.

>>8926506
This.

Stupid smart people refuse to have kids while third world shit holes have like 8 per couple.

There is no such thing as an overpopulation of the planet, only of third-world countries with economies inadequate to sustain the children-focused cultures.

Acting concerned about overpopulation is just a hip and trendy way to sound all intellectual without having to do the homework.

stop feeding the niggers for dog's sake

>>8926555
>/pol/ troll threads are not /pol/

Well, at least we know 1 person who shouldn't be breeding ITT.

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>>8925306
> my wife and I adopted a child instead of having our own

You fell for the overpopulation myth and became a literal cuck all in one go. Congrats OP.

*gasp* maybe that's why Syria

>>8926506
How about a life or death situation such as a famine to teach them the error of their ways rather than propping them up like a bum in a hotel?

The overpop problem is due to excessive human
fertility. Human females average 65 fertile days
per year, more than most medium/large
mammals. Reducing fertility should be made
a priority for large-scale GenMod.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menstruation_(mammal)#Animal_estrous_cycles

>>8926811
>a famine to teach them
...like in Somalia and Ethiopia?
How did that work out, Anon?

>>8926457


speakin' my language

Get rid of all the africans and use their fertile lands for farms to feed indians and chinese.

>>8925314
more like increase demographic conglomeration so that housing becomes prohibitively expensive and europeans have to live with their mothers until 35 while driving a Fiat 500.

>>8926493
Solving a problem with an unnecessarily humiliating and forceful approach like mandatory sterilization and strict population control will only serve to unite a billion unaligned people against you, overturn the policy, and set back your goal farther than it is now.

Incentivize people to share your ideals and make it profitable in the immediate term to comply with a reasonable intermediary stage of control.

mandatory change on a global scale is an unreasonable goal and counterproductive. Work to make your goal attractive, not inevitable.

>>8925306
You will never love your kid, he will always be foreign to you. You have made the worst mistake of your life.

>>8925306
Eradicate all people living in Africa and Asia.

>>8925306
I mean if overpopulation did become an issue, it would kind of solve itself. The poor would starve/get sick and die, and the population would go down. The only thing you need to watch out for are permanent effects on environments.

start living in siberia and northern canada and central asia for a start!

>>8927235
Didn't first world countries step in and stop it instead of trying to get somalians and ethiopians to solve it their selves?

>>8925306
Awesome, that's 1 more spot for me to have a kid and give him up for adoption

>>8925306
Raise the world out of poverty to a western standard of living. Endorse feminism, female autonomy, and access to contraception. Most of the western world already has negative population growth.

We arent even close to facing global overpopulation. Regional maybe but that's a societal issue created by the cunts who need wage slaves working together. If we wanted to help people we could but there's no money or power benefit for doing so.

Easy to access suicide devices.

>>8925306
ITT: room temperature test

I see a lot of failures in here

>>8926453
or maybe stop airlifting them free fuckign food and medicine cuz of "muh feelings n charity n shit"

>>8926457
i HAVE sired 4 children, should I go higher? wife might complain but she's smarter than me so it would be a tough debate...

>>8926492
i unironically suppose you are correct, humans were much more in touch with nature before the whites started growing such big brains. Tents and huts are technically much more green than septic sewers, coal powered plants, factory farms, open pit mining, etc. etc. etc.

Also disease and malnutrient would quickly kill off the weak, curbing overpopulation naturally. Of course the Justin Biebers of the world woulding exist because tribal leaders wouldn't have time for their gay ass shit and would either banish them or just sacrifice them to whatever god made them happy.

>>8927574
>I have sired 4 children
>wife is smarter than me
>should I have more children?

No

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>>8926630
I'm sorry, I didn't realize this pleb poppycock farming website had "XX Chamber of Commerce" banner displayed prominently for all to see...

no, sadly, we just have anime porn ads and banners. real leaders do not visit this site, other than myself, of course

>>8925314
i have really struggled with whether and how to respond to this. The execution of this message was very nice and respectful, and I genuinely appreciate that. The premise, however, is problematic. Maybe not inherently, but within the context of the sexist society we live in. Men are allowed, and often feel compelled, to think out loud at women, to share unsolicited not necessarily informed thoughts at women. (And usually these men, unlike you, don’t even seem to recognize that their thoughts may not be useful.) Women on the other hand aren’t allowed to be as open. So, if you want to not just be respectful, but actually be anti-oppression, it is better (IMO) not to respond to a woman’s work with the types of thoughts that other men pawn off as insights, if you know what i mean. again, i appreciate your honesty, but i feel obligated to point these things out.

>>8927693
>bla bla bla bla
>yadder yadder

I read it but its impossible for feely feel garbage to sink into my logical male brain.

t. not who you are responding to

>>8925306
Overpopulation is a myth. It is an illusion created by compactness of cities. You can drive 30 minutes outside a city in any direction and you'll be in the wilderness.

>>8927693
I would like to know who came up with this meaningless drivel.

>>8925306
Overpopulation is a Jewish trick to try and prevent the US from building more cities and continue to undermine the domesticated production of consumer goods.

>>8927957

Its about food production you stupid fucking ignorant pig.

>>8926262
Wrong.

>>8926453
Stop giving them the free food and healthcare that enables their ignorant cultural predisposition to having infinite kids to actually result in 8 surviving children.

>>8925306
I used to worry about overpopulation and wanted 2 children as a result. However over years i realized which groups were actually responsible for the growth, read up of dysgenics and realized the white race absolutely deserves to keep existing. So decided on 4 and my wife was fine with it. Only had one child so far, a couple of months ago but we're going full steam ahead.

ITT: What is carrying capacity and self-stabilizing systems

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>>8928116

...And the US has plenty of food, because we're awesome and great and use technology to improve ourselves, and shitty, backwards countries don't, so they'll starve.

As it should be.

>>8928169
there are people starving in the US
there are homeless people in the US

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>>8927369
Yes, because Western culture is so much more worthy.

>>8925306
>overpopulation

the west has an ever shrinking population. in fact, we are committing cultural and ethnic suicide via mass immigration due to underpopulation.

SO, i would say, how do we stop third worlders from reproducing?

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>>8928169
> And the US has plenty of food
Yes, you do.
> use technology to improve ourselves
Or just to get around.

buy up ALL the property in Africa
artificially make the prices way too fucking high so no one can buy anything from you
bribe the politicians so that they let you get away with it, problem solved.

>>8925325
>heritable trait
Source?
(I assume you are talking about heritage through genetics, right?)

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>>8925306

Overpopulation is a myth you moron.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouibKgFHoxA

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I would like to see how many comments in this thread are coming from OP.

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>>8928214

>there are people starving in the US

No.

>there are homeless people in the US

Junkies. They deserve it.

>>8928287
>average western pop star

Nope.

>>8925306
>overpopulation

Fucking retards. There is no overpopulation. There won't be any overpopulation. Sage and burn.

>>8928334
>>8928214
There are, but that isn't overpopulation. That's logistics and people not giving two shits about other people.

>>8928360
overpopulation might be a symptom of that

>>8927693
Your just coping and pasting now

>>8925306
its gonna average out, families used to have 4-5 kids, but now is down to only 1-2 the next generation will only have 1-2 or even 0 having kids used to be the norm but that kinda faded away married people can not have kids and its normal

>>8928128
Your doing gods work anon, or humanities, whatever

>>8927693
Kek, I see you Piper

>>8928364
No, it has always been like that. There is plenty of historical evidence. Unless you think that 150 million people is overpopulated (during the Roman Empire)? The reason for this is humans are clannish. They usually only help out people who are in their family group/clan. Everyone else can fuck off. Genetically speaking that is a good thing. It got us where we are today.

>>8928355
Does anyone unironically hold this view and just think that 9 billion humans is all good?

>>8928385
We could reach 100 billion and still not be overpopulated.

>>8925306
Neuter the Africans, Middle East, Chinese, and white upper-class liberals.

>>8928128
If things aren't going fast enough, let me know and I can help out.

>>8928287
Also eradicate the Jews.

You dumb ass cuck.

This is the solution: 14/88.

Stop immagration into the west. Let the shitskins starve. Lets them kill each other, refuse to take refugees, especially grown up men. Nuke India. Force China's one child policy back. Don't buy chinese cheapo products, buy western.

>>8928385

>muh 9 billion

I bet some fags were saying this when there was 1 billion, and some others are gonna continue when there is 20 billion.

Just because it's a large-sounding scary number doesn't mean there is overpopulation.

>>8928693
there might be room but do we have the resources (food, raw materials)?

I do not think so, not for everyone to live comfortably.

>thinks zero population growth is enough
Clearly you should kill everyone you see and if you're not up for that, yourself.

>>8928808

>I do not think so

Everyone is free to think whatever they want, but are there any numbers to back that up?

If you look at the population density map of the world, you will notice thay the vast majority is unanhibited and unused. Granted, some of it is desert and mountains, but it's still immense amounts of free arable land.

>>8928860
>space is the only requirement for humans

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>>8928693
>20 billion

There will never be 20 billion people at any one time. If we make it to 15 billion we will be lucky. As poor nations uplift themselves, their birth rates will go down.

>>8928879
That is true. The only resources you need are air, water, food, and shelter. You don't need an ipod, internet access, or a car. There's plenty of space on the globe for every person to farm all the crops they want and more than enough air and water.

Artificial scarcity and overpopulation are both fear mongering tools used to control you.

>>8928924
>The only resources you need are air, water, food, and shelter.
yeah no

>>8928364
absolutely not. Even ancient Greece has lots of documentation of homeless vagrants begging for food and money instead of working.

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>>8928972
t. Happy Merchant

>>8929236
ancient greece had none of our production and distribution capabilities for sustaining larger populations

>>8928924
Get real. As populations grow and cities develop, the environment around it degrades. This is inescapable.

There's a creek/river near my house which less than 50 years ago was clear and full of fish. Now it's brown sludge. This is just the smallest example of what happens when human populations continue their exponential growth.
Better example, the river ganges in india. Absolute filth, and it's because of human population growth.

I don't argue that human's won't be able to support themselves and live in this world at higher populations, I argue that it won't be a world worth living in.

>>8929250
Oh I see. You are just trolling then. Otherwise, you must be fucking stupid. There was like 100 million people on the planet then.

>>8929257
This is /sci/ not "/anecdotal evidence/".

>>8929271
>>8929239
>>8929236
seems like (you) are the one trolling, desu

>>8929274
Some things don't require maths and a full study. It's common knowledge to anyone who doesn't live under a rock that the environment used to be flourishing, now it is not, and human populations used to be small, now they are not.
I know correlation doesn't always imply causation, but you don't have to be a genius to see the connection here.

>>8927502
>Didn't first world countries step in
L0Lno fgt pls

>>8928116
What happens if this were not a problem? Suspend your disbelief for a second. Lets say that tomorrow a pill is invented that solves the crisis, we dismantle the agricultural system and free up all the land. Then what? Is there still a problem?

>>8929283
>i like taking jew cock so long as i don't get preggo

Sure thing, kid.

>>8928116
It is about logistics and people needing to give a shit about people they don't give a shit about. And, those people they don't give a shit about also don't give a shit about themselves enough to get themselves out of their own situation.

>>8929284
>Some things don't require maths and a full study.
...those things are baseless opinion, prejudice,
misconception, and misapprehension.