Why do you insist on wasting the public's money? NASA's

I wasn't aware that they store money in Mars rovers.

>>8915211
>convince poor people that the reason their government doesn't help them is because its spending too much money on science.

good job propagating the plutocrat-oligarchy propaganda. I'm sure Hannity and Rush would be very proud.

>>8915211
Human advancement (The only valid reason for us not to kill ourselves)

Not American but I think you will find its the Military budget that should be going to NASA and your welfare system

>>8915219
>>8915232
>human advancement
>propagating the plutocrat-oligarchy propaganda
Now explain it again without using buzzwords

What tangible benefit is there in my pocket for a bunch of scientists to be playing around on Mars?

>>8915211
this. save dindus please. nasa is boring af anyways

>>8915241
that your grandchildren might have an option to move the if they wish so, you fucking potato

and if you really think 20 billion NASA budget is an outrageous amount of money for "playing around on mars", you might want to keep better tabs on your govt. spending, year of AC in military installations in Afghanistan during heyday of occupation costed 22 billion dollars.

>>8915211
>NASA's budget could be going to welfare
It's worse than that: NASA's budget could be going to space exploration, instead of pork.

>>8915258
But the military has a benefit, they keep the terrorists out of my country and keep the oil flowing

What terrorists/oil is there on Mars? None

Also, you can join the military, but you can't become an astronaut. No benefit

>>8915211
NASA > dindus
NASA delivers

>>8915211
Poor people spend their money on fast food, video games, and other electronics. They live directionless, unambitious lives, and will be completely forgotten 100 years after their deaths.

NASA spends its money making scientific discoveries and bettering the human race.

>>8915267
>NASA sends animals up to die in space and lets astronauts blow up
>African Americans contribute to society even as it tries to hold us down

FTFY

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>>8915232
>Human advancement

>>8915211
Nasa's budget is only 18 billion dollars, not 100 billion or more. If you distributed that amongst the poorest Americas such that their income is equal to the poorest American who did not recieve money, it would have a negligible effect. The defense budget on the other hand is 700 billion dollars and is being wasted on useless industries.

>>8915266
If anything the military is making terrorists enter your country.

>>8915211
Wai,t they send 100 billions dollars with the buggy? WTF!? why?

>>8915211
>giving it to poor people
>not giving it to rich people who have shown they can use money to grow the GDP
Topkek.

>>8915219
More of a leftist sentiment deciding all is secondary to sending money to the lower classes.

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>>8915211
How else are they gonna pay for their drugs ,booze and hookers
https://youtu.be/EQj-Mh__fRc

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>Don't spend money on the space program
>Thousands end up unemployed
>Used the money saved to pay for welfare for all of them
>Same position as before except now you don't have a rover on Mars

>>8915303
>Nasa's budget is only 18 billion dollars, not 100 billion or more. If you distributed that ... it would have a negligible effect.
It's $18 billion/year. You could give $9,000/year (a part-time worker) to each of two million poor households, or $18,000/year (a full-time worker) to each of one million poor households.

Any of these would be a major bite out of poverty in America, a country with about a hundred million households and about two hundred million working-age adults.

>>8915211
>durr we should spend all money on gibmedats

please, go to the ghetto sometime and see how they spend their money. Go visit a rent a rim shop for extra keks

>>8915286
>LE NOTHING IS REAL XD
Fuck off back to /lit/.

>>8915286
I read The Ego and His Own and it was weak pleb tier shit. Only pseuds read continental philosophy.

>>8915211
>why explore the galaxy when you can gibsmedat
Fuck whatever fucking faggot made this image. God damn I'm mad.

>>8915444
>Any of these would be a major bite out of poverty in America
It really isn't when you consider 43 million Americans are below the poverty line.

>>8915275
>us

I had an inkling that this thread was racially motivated.

No point in responding, guys. If blacks don't have a sufficient IQ to understand farming, good luck expecting them to understand the benefits of being a spacefaring face.

OP don't worry, when we have perfected CRiSPR we will insert our intelligence genes into your offspring so they understand there is more to life than gibs n sheeeit

>>8915549
>43 million Americans are below the poverty line.
First of all, the poverty line is arbitrary. People can live under it for years. Furthermore, many of those under the poverty line are dependents.

In many cases, a few thousand dollars per year can lift a whole family above the poverty line.

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>>8915211
All of the probes sent to Mars over the last fifty years doesn't even come close to $100 billion and I don't feel sorry that quindeco mom isn't getting more free shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjpGBEPYv80

>>8915211

Studying space exploration brings about discoveries, which brings about innovation, which people all around the world benefit from. Space exploration is the frontier of research and it pushes science to its limits. Throughout a rocket mission, for example, NASA would have to figure out what material to coat the machines with so they don't disintegrate in space. That research could be beneficial to us on Earth because it may solve a crucial automobile problem, saving millions of lives. NASA has been responsible for many incredible beneficial discoveries.

>>8915644
And how does white people discovering shit up in space put money in MY pocket?

>>8915598
>First of all, the poverty line is arbitrary.
Then so is your contention that this will take "a major bite out of poverty."

>>8915266
>You can't become an astronaut

Well maybe YOU can't

>>8915444
>Any of these would be a major bite out of poverty in America
oh look, mcgruff the poverty dog
fuck outa here welfare queen

>>8915241
>OOGA BOOGA THINK OF MUH HEDONISTIC WANTS!

Brainlets need to be genocided.

>>8915275
>blacks
>contribute

Thats a nice fairy tale OP.

>>8915334
is this a joke

>>8915211
well for one thing, it looks like we are trying to destroy our planet as fast as possible. So sometime in the future we might need to leave and live on another planet. We can't do that if we spend all of our money on handouts.

>>8915211
>$100 billion

Nigga MSL cost $2.5 billion in total.

>>8915266
technological development you dipshit

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nasa is a op.
wake up, yahwh owns earth.

>>8915516
What you call "human advancement" is completely arbitrary, you retard.

>>8915704
>no but MY subjective desires are more important!

>>8915241
And the benefit in your pocket of spending that in welfare ?

Also, did u ever use a microwave oven ? Thanks NASA money.
Do u know how many poor ppl (that u care about so much) are saved every year, in the whole world, from cold by thermo-efficient blanckets ? Thanks NASA money again.
Also, when air will become unbreathable and Earth unhabitable, who will you thank that you have another option ? Poors ?

Just bc u are unaware of benefits don't mean they don't exists. I'm sure you're clever enough to google them up.

>>8915266
You have no idea what kind of resources are available in space, have you ?
Also, U.S. army actually makes more terrorist than it defeats, so...
Also also, too bad u're a weak brainlet who can't astronaut.

>>8915315
Nope, just check the number. See >>8915720


>>8915444
So why you don't take those $18b on the military budget. It'd be nothing to them.
Also, if you want a way to fuck up your economy really bad, here you go.
Also also, see >>8915549 and >>8915676 .

>>8915655

It puts money in *my* pocket and that, in turns, puts money in Uncle Sam's pocket through taxes. You're a broke-ass welfare parasite and a drain on the system. We don't give a fuck about you.

>>8915734
>why don't you take 18b out of the only thing keeping us from all speaking Chinese

>implying the people leaving earth won't just be chinks and whites

>>8915749
>implying we're 2.5% of budget close to an invasion from China.
You're not really smart are you ?

>implying non-white people will leave earth
Well, you really are not.

>>8915749
if you don't like it go to Africa and make your own space agency

do something worthwhile with your life instead of bitching about white people

If the ideal use of money is on poor people then why don't we stop wasting it on "poor" Americans and start sending it to people in Africa and Asia who actually have nothing?

>>8915211
You're pointing your bitching the wrong way. Get your money from trump, from jay leno, from robert downey junior, from the NFL, the MLB, NBA, set a corporate salary cap. With the absurd, disgusting amount of excess wealth in the US alone, we can feed, clothe, house, and educate the world and still have enough left over to actually increase NASA's spending.

>>8915774
All of the main cast of big bang theory make a million dollars an episode. There's the fucking problem right there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goh2x_G0ct4

God damn whiteys on the moon!

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>>8915774
>muh brumpft boogeyman
>he has a duty to give his two scoops to niggers cause they have none
>TWO FUCKING SCOOPS!!1!!11!!

>>8915374
Underrated post

>>8915676
>>First of all, the poverty line is arbitrary.
>Then so is your contention that this will take "a major bite out of poverty."
It's subjective. There's a difference.

The word "poverty" isn't defined by arbitrary government metrics.

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>>8915774
Welfare-fags have an insatiable hunger for other people's money. They will always demand more money. Why only take money from the ultra-rich when they can take it from the middle class, the dead, and even government programs they don't care about because it doesn't appeal to their short-sighted mentality. The same idiotic mentality totally devoid of the concept of delayed gratification that makes them poor is the same fucked up mentality that will make the welfare-fags clamor for the dismantling of NASA and for the money to go for 40 ouces and EBT cards with enough money to keep these fuckers in lobster until the welfare state collapses under its own largess.

Pic related

100 billion? Where did this stupid number come from?

Curiosity, the most expensive and largest one, was only 2.5 for the TOTAL budget including all extensions.

>>8915211
because putting money into welfare is just digging yourself into a deeper hole. by investing in science you are looking at the big picture and solving long term problems rather than short term ones.

>>8915782
>maybe if I post an unflattering picture of a liberal and protray a strawman while not addressing any arguments people will believe me!

It's incredible to think somebody could be complaining about money being poorly distributed, and think that the biggest problem is funding scientific advancement and technology. Nigga more money is spent on fucking superhero movies, our entire economy is based around money being wasted on shit that doesn't matter, and this is what you're worried about?

Literally kys

Whataboutism agent detected. Spend like 1% if your military budget on your people they'll be fine but nooooooooooooo muh capitalism won't allow me .

>>8915219
>implying Hannity and Rush don't jerk off to the thought of all welfare money assembled in a pyramid in the middle of Detriot and set on fire, all while the would be recipients gather around it for warmth slowing dying of starvation and hypothermia in the bitter winter cold.

>>8916187
>giving money away will solve all of our problems

to be this naive

>>8915211
>not wasting money
>giving money to people on welfare
Choose one.

>>8915774
Ahh, yes, let's just take away money from people that can actually use it to advance the economy and give to society and give it to people so they can buy some drugs and waste their lives away.

Welfare is 100% bullshit and the entire left needs to swallow that fucking pill. Robin Hood is a fucking fairytale character, not something to base your politics on.

>>8916439
>actors and entertainers
>advance the economy and give to society

>>8915241
Why would I care about your pocket, you dumb nigger?

>>8916445
>drug abusers and know-nothings
Yeah, they would do better with the money, I'm sure.

>>8916459
>>drug abusers and know-nothings
so actors and entertainers

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Thinking about getting myself an Alpinist for my birthday.

Best place to buy for good price and to avoid potential fakes? Do people fake Seikos?

Also thinking of replacing the strap, and would appreciate recs.

>>8916462
At least they use their own money when they do it and don't leech off of society so they can get their fucking crack.

Stealing money from the rich and giving it to poor assholes that'll only waste it on drugs and useless shit never was, is not, and never will be okay. I don't give a shit if you earned it sucking cock in a dark alley. Why should I have to give Tyrone my money when he is perfectly capable of working? There is literally no reason welfare should be any more than a charity. The fact that people are forced to pay their money into it is ridiculous. And people wonder why the next generation glorifies sitting on their ass doing nothing. Not so bad when you get paid to do it.

>>8916468
Well this is the totally wrong thread.

Fuck welfare leeches btw

Honestly, fuck niggers in africa fuck earthquakes fuck everything else.

Fucking crowd fund, whatever it takes to fund NASA

>>8915211
Poor people would remain poor even if they were given a million dollars each, no impulse control or rational thinking.

Obvious shit post
If you wanted to be more realistic and not an obvious shit post, you'd whine about how we spent 900 million to kill no one with tomahawk missiles. This isn't even a science/math related post.
Not trying to be the "WHAAAAAAAAA MODSSSS" guy but what the hell?

>>8915211
ok

>>8915211
test

It's a semi-legitimate complaint for the truly poor.
Any new technologies or societal improvements that emerge from space exploration at this stage would probably be financially inaccessable to people who arent at least middle class.

Complain about the military budget that blows the same amount of money on spare Bradley hatches which just get thrown away.

Space gets practical research done, real knowledge gathered, and provides hope for everybody that we're not just rotting in a smoggy trashcan going nowhere.

>>8915260
Underrated post.

>>8915549
Add to that the increased number of unemployed poor people if yo shut down NASA and cancelled contracts for the various thises and thats NASA buys.

>>8915598
>The poverty line is meaningless
>We need to lift people above the poverty line

Pick an argument, please.

>>8915756
So wait NOW your argument includes the idea that NASA is an insignificant part of the budget? If so, why worry about that -- worry about the real big-ticket items where the real money is.

>>8915774
>With the absurd, disgusting amount of excess wealth in the US alone, we can feed, clothe, house, and educate the world

To the extent that we are feeding, educatingm clothing and housing at least some of the world, it is largely due to the "excess wealth" in the US and other developed countries. That's where capital investments come from, which is where jobs come from.

Some perspective:

NASA budget 2016 -- $19.3 billion

Spending on pet food in the US in 2016 -- $28.23 billion

"Salty snacks" sales in the US in 2016 -- >$25 billion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_NASA

http://www.petfoodindustry.com/articles/6370-pet-industry-spending-topped-us66-billion-in-2016

https://www.statista.com/statistics/258008/salty-snack-dollar-sales-in-the-us-by-category/

>>8916615
Some perspective:

The government doesn't take your money and use it to buy pet food or salty snacks.

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>>8915211
Totally my dude, Nasa is the wasted money.

>>8915219
>pandering to the poor is what the Right does

weeeeeeeeew lad

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>>8915303
>Defense budget
>Wasted on useless industries

>>8915444
>Give away 18 billion dollars to 2 million people doing nothing
Great idea :DDD

>>8917354
The government presumably buys some quantity of pet food and salty snacks.

But that's not part of the point I was making -- that the "huge" budget of NASA, compared to other things we spend money on, is pretty trivial. Salty snacks are not a major line item in my budget -- your mileage may vary, I guess.

>>8917405
>convincing the poor and working classes that the problem is that the government spends too much money on science and education instead of the real problem is exactly what the right wing propagandists do.

>>8917438
>But that's not part of the point I was making -- that the "huge" budget of NASA, compared to other things we spend money on, is pretty trivial.
i understood your point, but your comparison was fallacious

because it's cool and i like it

>>8915211
>NASA's budget could be going to welfare
LOL.

That even WORSE for the people living in America.
Welfare needs to be abolished, you filthy socialist scum.

>>8917425
>defense
there was no defense since 1812

>>8915444
> He thinks giving money to the people who have proven themselves least able to use it wisely is a good idea.
Or
>He uses technologies developed by the space program and satellites placed on orbit by the space program... to belittle the space program.
Or
> He doesn't understand that injecting billions of dollars into the general economy would cause mass inflation, ruining everything for the people he thinks it would help.

You guys are all the same. Your simple minded zealotry ignores large scale and long term improvements to human quality of life and attempts to inflict instability, and potentially death, on the general populous.

Please choose from the above options and think of your choice while viewing the laughinggirls.png image.

>>8915774
this

It's actually incredible how cucked some people in this thread are. They'd rather lick the ballsack of a bunch of rich people that wouldn't even stop to spit on them just to spite some imaginary SJW bogey. The idea that rich people are spending their money in the interest of the whole nation or the majority is insane.

>>8916597
Trickle down economics has failed to produce the results Regan promised. In the decades trickle down has been employed, we have seen the gap between the wealthy and the poor grow and the middle class (aka, the heart of a healthy economy) shrink.

Your notions of wealthy people passing money to less wealthy people doesnt work. Greed is too strong for that.

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>>8915211
>NASA's budget could be going to welfare
I never gave the government consent to take my money and give it to NASA, but I'd rather see science advance than lazy niggers with twice the booze they had when they weren't receiving NASA's money as welfare. Fuck off

>>8917450
>i understood your point, but your comparison was fallacious

Then you still don't understand the point.

>>8919078
If you got a reference to "trickle down" from what I posted, either my posting skills are poor or your reading skills are poor. Or possibly both.

A rich society has two relevant characteristics.

It contains some number of rich people.

It has "excess wealth" of said rich people invested in various ways -- the rich do not really keep their money on some huge Scrooge McDuck vault: that's just a cartoon. They keep it invested where it makes them more money, and coincidentally provides capital to expend old businesses or start new ones. (I've studied up on this, businesses is where a lot of jobs come from.)

As a side note, excess wealth also makes possible things like charitable giving, etc. Might have some relevance to feeding, housing, educating, etc.

It is, of course, possible to create a society where nobody accumulates more wealth than anybody else. These societies are what is known as "poor." They don't do much educating, feeding, etc.

>>8919110
What you are describing IS trickle down economics. The idea is that wealthy people, if made to pay fewer taxes, will create, and invest in, companies which will employ the middle class, enriching the whole of the economy. Its a neat idea, in principle, but it hasnt worked.

However, no viable alternative has presented itself.

> but anon, muh Marxism!

VIABLE alternative...

>>8915211
Exploring the universe is the only way humanity can understand how precious life is, and in my opinion money shouldn't exist

>>8919129
Yeah they create and invest, in China that is, because money goes where the return is the highest, and that's not in the US.

>>8915211
Why do you insist on wasting the public's money? The F-35's > $850 budget could be going to NASA

>>8915211
NASA's budget is a fraction of money used to bail out big bankers in the 2008 recession, and what the US spends on it's military per year.

I say fuck the majority of people. They'll always have problems. You are being short-sighted, and an emotional woman. Science and human advancement is made by embarking upon the unknown.

>>8915211
100 billion dollars doesn't finance the american welfare state for a month even. Do you know how much money we could spend on science if we stopped feeding the poor?

>>8919103
you're fucking retarded if you think the comparison was valid
register for a logic course next semester, and if that doesn't help, fucking retake middle school english and learn about logical fallacies

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>>8917448
It's like your trying to be purposely hypocritical.

>>8915232
>welfare
No

>>8915723
Military tech is cutting edge as fuck, just wepaonize space and BAM nasa is irrelevant. You could still stick to your "muh advancement of humanity (that I won't be alive to see)" meme.

>>8917354
>>8917450
No but the consumer does so directly himself.
There really isn't that much difference whether people make the decision to buy something or if they elect people to buy (fund) something out of their collective pockets.

>>8915241
>>8915241
I don't give a shit about your pocket you scum.

>>8920930
>No but the consumer does so directly himself.
yes for himself, not for a collective group of pet owners, and not with a group fund that was collected from both pet owners and non pet owners.

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>>8920845
>Military tech is cutting edge as fuck
>tanks from 80's
>jets from 70's
>nukes from 60's
>bombers from fucking 50's
>all that with a modest price tag of $600,000,000,000 a year to keep it all running

>>8915241
Yes. A lot of experimental technology gets used in these programs, that technology gets commercialized and benefits society. Dont't forget that we in America are spending an absurdly small percentage of the budget on NASA projects already. More than 50 percet of our budget goes to the military which similarly helps develop new technologies buy giving billions to companies like lockheed martin. But I'm sure your okay with that.

We do it not because it is easy, but because it is hard.

>>8915374
Except you will spend 20k per person instead of a 300k

>>8915266

if the US is able to mine the space the US would be a fucking super power dude

>>8920964
Why does do those differences matter?

>>8915211
Yeah we should be spending all that money in abortions and slutshame awareness.How do those weirdos at NASA benefit us? Like uh if they were building useful stuff like phones or the internet I would get it.But this?

>>8915598
>getting that money won't just be a wasted windfall

Never met any poor people have you?

t. same sort of people who'd rather feed the fauna in africa than help people at home

>>8920986
And if the country ever gets attacked, all of those things you list will work perfectly fine.

I'll say it again for all you NASA bootlickers
>Weaponize space

it takes up such a small amount of the budget

>>8915725
yeah, humans arbitrate. WOAH

>>8921611
Then better bend over and ready that wallet.
Takes $5,000 to take a kilogram of shit to low orbit. Can't wait until they start sending up stupid fucking fucking shit that does nothing.

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>>8921002

If they all have 280k less disposable income a year to waste away, you'll soon find a lot more unemployed people than the ones you initially laid off.

>>8921062
because its not a direct comparison

>>8915211
welfare makes people poor and keeps them poor. take an economics class, please.

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>>8915211
How about you poor people work a little smarter and get financially savvy, pay your taxes so we can put MORE probes on mars?

Faggot.

Why not cut off all welfare and put the money into NASA.

>>8922707
>sir we need to decide on a design for the Europa mission
>why not one of each?


Yes please

Tbh., if this entire planet wasn't fuxking retarded, all nasa and welfare money would be dumped into genetic engineering and AI. But i suppose we'll be dead so it wont matter in 500 years when we find out we're playing a galactic game of CIV V and we took the wrong path down the tech tree

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>>8915211

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>>8922968

>tfw we are early space age primitives in Stellaris
Hopefully we're in a fanatic xenophile fallen empire's borders

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>>8915286