if the universe is really eternal how can it be only 14 billion

>>8901298

Who claims it's eternal? The discovery of expansion pretty much proves it isn't.

Some time after proton decay or heat death, many many trillions of years into the future when all energy is evenly distributed and individual quanta are just surrounded by a vacuum with the next quantum of energy being so far away that the expansion of space prevents anything from ever interacting again, you may aswell say the universe has ended. If things can't change, is it really meaningful to talk about time?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_of_an_expanding_universe

this is some spooky shit

>>8901298

It's not eternal. It had a beginning.

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>>8901298
Your question is shit.
Here is a better one:

How can universe be infinite (usual assumption) if it started in a single point? How do you transition from finity to infinity in a finite amount of time?

>>8901484

what if the single point was in infinity so the universe was everywhere?

>>8901505
>single point was in infinity
What did he mean by this?
How would it be a single point?

>>8901298
well whats the chance you wouldn't say that for any given order of magnitude?

>>8901298

>if the universe is really eternal how can it be only 14 billion years old right now?

Universe AS WE KNOW IT is 14 billion years old. However what existed before big bang is unknown. Maybe time didnt exist, maybe there was an eternal past of some kind, or maybe a cyclic universe of some sort. Nobody knows.

>>8901484

>How can universe be infinite (usual assumption) if it started in a single point? How do you transition from finity to infinity in a finite amount of time?

Assuming universe is infinite, then it was always infinite. Assuming universe is finite (which is a possibility, too), then it was always finite. This notion that universe somehow transitioned from a single point to infinite size is not what big bang theory says.

>>8901624
> not what big bang theory says
What does it say?

>>8901648

Our whole universe was in a hot, dense state / Then nearly fourteen billion years ago expansion started, wait

>>8901624
How can the universe be finite? What would be beyond it?

>>8902799

the great barrier

>>8901310
What does expansion have to do with it? Even if it was infinite it could still change its density.

>>8901298
atheists BTFO.
If the universe isn't eternal, that implies intelligent design

>>8901298
The earth is very young.

Stop listening to people who tell you that 6 million years of radioactive decay takes 6 million years, and then admit they have absolutely no idea what happened at t=0+

>>8904112
No it doesn't. Why would you need intelligence for the universe to start?

>>8904196
how else would it get there

>>8901518
What if you isolate a certain point in an infinite continuum and label point A as the beginning and point B as the end simply because you were able to detect everything within and including Points A and B?

You would technically be trying to assign a change in this continuum as it's beginning though it has always existed, just not in the form we know of now.

>>8904144
>and then admit they have absolutely no idea what happened

but you do, because feels.

>>8904828
perhaps through a similar mechanism through which your presumed intelligent spirit did.

>>8901298
Why doesnt just the universe expand till there is so much space between everything that its isolated from everything and unreachable and another big bang occurs in the same space we call our universe. This space expands again and the universe just stretches indefinitely. Just like throwing a pebble in a pond and having the waves travel away and you just keep throwing pebbles every x years.

>>8903915
Lrn2cosmogenesis fgt pls

>>8904144
>6 million years of radioactive decay takes 6 million years
duh

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>>8901298
Time is a human construct like race. You are also already dead and your dying brain cells are just streaming all of your mathematically predetermined choices and experiences.

>>8906995
You are in the bottom 10% of people on /sci/ in terms of intelligence. Kill yourself.

Here's your answer OP

>>8905350

>>8901380
of course, with god obviously

>>8907006
I'd go even lower, like bottom 2%.

>>8904828
Spontaneous order. How did the intelligence get there?

>>8902799
Ever played the arcade game asteroids? The universe might be like that, where if you go in one direction trying to find an edge, you'll just get back to where you started

>>8907122
Problem with that is empirical evidence shows the universe is flat. Assuming there's no weird topology we haven't observed (i.e. It's simply connected), it therefore cannot wraparound on itself.

>>8907130
What empirical evidence shows this?

>>8907130
*evidence that the universe is pretty close to flat. I don't think there's a way to prove that the universe has exactly zero global curvature.

>>8907080

Whatever floats your boat my man.

>>8907131
https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilkinson_Microwave_Anisotropy_Probe